Erin & Charissa on Sideline Mishaps, Best Kelce Convo, Girl Dad Advice & Being a Plus One | EP 166

90% you already know what time it is. That's why we got a very special guest episode for you today. We have got Aaron Andrews and Carissa Thompson on the show. What? Are we the first females to be on this podcast since a certain incredible interview? We'll almost have the same views. A lot of great stuff about the careers. I worked in Olympics with him. Nobody could out drink. Who their favorite athletes are to interview? Hi, I'm Aaron Andrews. I work on College Game Day, but you're my first crush ever. Shut up. Shut up. Boyfriend whistles. I'm ordering a whistle right now off Amazon. Steve, you're going to have a long night ahead of you, sweetheart. Parenting. Everything should revolve around you sitting your ass on the couch. I'm hoping a great dad. Sports. You know how much shrimp A2Fae I had working at ESPN? Fathers. Brought by dad and started swinging him around like a rag doll. A lot of great stuff coming up right now. And I just invited myself over to the Kelsey household for Thanksgiving. Chris, we're having a turntackin. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. A Wondry show brought to you by KFC. Woohoo. I'll give you some famous bowls and a bucket of KFC. Check it, baby. That's what I'm talking about. Take me back. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. My big brother, Jason Kelsey. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondry Plus, wherever you get your podcast to follow the show on all social media at New Heights show with one ass. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up today. Alrighty, our guests today are two legends in the sports media world. Hey, you know them from Fox NFL Sunday, Thursday night football. Woo. And as the co-host of the Calm Down podcast, they covered Super Bowls, the World Series, BCS Championships, NBA All-Star Games, celebrity diving competitions, and even smelling bees. That's right. Between them, they've got an Emmy, a Pat Summerlew Award, and a third place finish on Dancing with the Stars. Two of the most requested guests we've ever had on this show, 92%ers. Please welcome Aaron Andrews and Karissa Topson. Yes. Let's go. Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh. Hi. She's a child. Me, me, me, me. Karen doesn't break those pom-poms out for nothing. Here we go. It's a go. You know. I keep them locked down. Hi, guys. Thanks for having us. What's going on? Yeah! I was sorry too. Get out of here. Bring them back. Come on, all of your children. Can we make the joke, Karissa? Are we the first females to be on this podcast since a certain incredible interview that you had, and we're going to be? We'll almost have the same views. Yeah, I'm sorry, guys. In this one. We're just lucky enough to have you guys on here. I got to know, who did the spelling bee? Ah. That wasn't fun. Thank you, Travis. I can't read. I mean, I can't. I can't read or speak. I can't. I just took a huge breath. Go try it immediately. Everyone knows at this point, they asked to, right? Self-professed. Yes. By Travis. If I can't read, I sure as hell can't spell. That's the damn truth. You and Julian Edelman. Jules also says that he can't read, so there's that. And he says he likes big men, so there's that. I appreciate you guys including the diving competition. Respectfully, I say this, that the diving competition that I hosted on ABC was more of a flop than it was a splash, which was the name of it. Oh, yeah. I like it. They only put the remap dual jabar on a, you know, 35-meter platform and see what happens. I was like, who's I do? Who's did it do what? So he doesn't say. There was not a reason to. And I'd like to say third place was I lost. She won the competition to Nicole Scherzinger, Pussycat Doll. She had been in performing art school since she was 14 years old. And I got third place to Evan Lysichek, who had just won the gold medal for figure skating in the Winter Olympics. If I had been asked to read a box score, I would have fucking won. You know what I mean? I would have won. I would have. That's a barrier. We're number one in our heart. Thank you. You were first place in my mind. All right. Let's get into it. You guys have interviewed both me and Jason. Who's better? Interview E. Interview E, yeah. Interview E? You guys have a high spot. I'm very privileged interviewing you both at the same time. I don't know when this was like 10 lifetimes ago. It's got to be at least 10 years ago that I sat down with you guys for NFL film. I think it was Jason Super Bowl. Yeah. And it was we were in where we in we were by your old high school because NFL Films was doing a feature on you guys. And so I sat down with both of you and it was so wonderful. And that's when I learned Travis that you wear number 87 because of Jason. Oh, yeah. Don't let him tell you. Jason's still not finding it. He's not. I was that a load of shit. I picked that number because of that. You've somehow retroactively worked this in. There's no way. It was it was it was the only number that I had a connection to. You just like Tony Gonzalez and you. What did you wear 87 for? What did you wear 87 for? We went over this in the interview that Clarissa had with us in Cleveland. Travis told me that he wears number 87 because that's the year that Jason was born. And I thought that was so nice. And that's how it all started. Jason, I wouldn't be where I am today. Exactly. Now, say it back, Jason. Without Travis, I would be I'd be way more successful. I'm holding them back. Complete opposite. On the flip side, though, Jason has been known to be the what is it? The Sandra, the what? Are you reading that? Everyone's calling. No, I was. No, I wish I was at this point. Jason is known as a journalist himself now being with ESPN. What do you think of his interview? Are you going to say Barbara Walters? There it is. That's what he was going to say. I was like, Sandra Walters. Sandra Walters. Sandra Walters. Sandra Walters. I don't know. Barbara Walters. Yeah, some. I think you're killing it, Jason. We saw you. I don't know where we saw you recently, but yeah, I think you're doing an amazing job. I will tell you, though, we were just making a joke about, you know, when you guys had Taylor on, Chris and I were both saying after that, you nailed that. You freaking crushed that. That's so hard. And actually, I'm going to ask you some questions right now. Oh my God. You're pre-prepared. I mean, because you just were banging them out. We have a great editing team. They're very good. And I think anybody could have done a good job interviewing Taylor. She was. Oh, well, yeah. She was fantastic. And I don't know. I just, I appreciate you saying that. It was a lot of fun. You did a good job. Putting that in together. I'm terrible. I can't interview anybody. I can't go over my words. I stumble. No, you don't. But that was, that was a fun one for sure. I've been in production meetings with you. Remember, I don't know, we were sitting in the back. We were sitting with you and Tom Rinaldi, Rinaldi'd you. And he asked you something about a family member. Yeah, you started bawling in our production meeting. Do you remember that? Yeah, I do remember it. Tom, Rinaldi can make anybody cry. Oh yeah. That guy is just like perfect at tugging at the heartstrings. But yeah, I've been knowing to shed a couple tears. I try to hold it back. I know that I'm not supposed to, but I can't not do it. I don't know. Yeah. What's up in the big woods? OK, you go ahead. This is your podcast. You asked the question. No, no, please take this over. They want to hear from you guys. They've heard from us. Well, because the last time that I saw you, you were a guest, like a week guest on not a week. Yes, don't take that out of context. Don't edit that out. Chicago. You were, yeah, we were in Chicago and we did the kicking contest. But on Thursday night football, you came in and you filled in for the week. And it was awesome and just, you know, we're guest of ours. But I haven't seen you since then. And so obviously now with, you know, almost a full year under your belt and broadcasting, what's been the biggest surprise for you? Oh, man, how much travel it is and how much more you have to lock into everything across the whole like NFL. Yeah. Like I think when you play, you get so used to just focusing on your team and who you're playing that week. And a lot of times you kind of don't know what's happening like holistically across the whole league. Now I'm probably watching more football than I've ever watched because you have to watch as many games as possible. You're watching press conferences. You're doing all these things that as a player, you just don't pay attention to. And then on top of that, every week's in a way game, every week you're traveling. And that is awesome in some ways. You get to go to a lot of cool cities and there's not as much pressure as playing. But at the same time, it is a lot of travel. So I enjoy the ability to stay involved with the games. I like the fact that we get to go to the games so we get to see players and coaches. But I would say those are the two things that probably were the most like getting used to. Can I ask now that you aren't playing in the game, but you're watching from the viewpoint that we have every week, is there a particular stadium or area that you've been to and you're like, this is awesome. This is really cool. Oh, man, I hate to say this and Eagles fans are going to be furious. I never liked playing in Jerry World. I hated that. Is it their best? It's fucking awesome. It's the coolest part of the spectator. Do you have the chicken fingers area? Fire. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everything. I mean, it's they've done a really good job with that place from a viewing standpoint. Vegas is like a show. It feels like you're at a legitimate concert there, which we were just there this week. So I think that's probably just fresh. And then, you know, there's the places you'd like to play in as a player, too. There's like a charm to it as well. Like I've always loved going to the Packers Stadium for much different reasons in Jerry World. It's awesome. So, yeah. And then trying to think of like another spot that would be Bills, I think it's like, of course, I can't wait to see the new stadium when they build that with what it feels like. But I've been enjoying the last couple of seasons. You know what it looks like? It looks adjacent. It looks like from the outside, it looks like Allegiant Stadium. It looks like that kind of like that same design, that kind of spaceship thing. But I kind of miss that. I don't know. I mean, the nostalgia of Orchard Park is like its own. It's going to be hard to. Yeah, you can't replicate it. No, I am happy that it's open, though. Yeah, we're going to still see Buffalo Snow Games. I get this year. I've never really in my career done a massive like snow game. And I wanted to so bad. You watch these people like Ramsfilly playoff game last year. I wanted to do something like that so bad where I just look like Ralphie and Randy in Christmas story. And with James Winston. Oh, yeah, you did. James Winston doing snow angels. Yes, in Cleveland. And then they made the playoff. Yeah, it was really fun. But sorry, go ahead. No, no, no. But we're doing Philly at Bills, I believe. Later, I think it's right after Christmas. So the potential of, you know, a snow globe game could be fire. So it would be exciting. The lake. Yeah. Some of the guarantee you're going to get a little bit of snow. Oh, for sure. I hope so. Was that the James West is how lucky are we? How lucky are we to be playing? All in Cleveland, Ohio. Exactly. And he's talking about the Calvary with the horses and the whole thing. And Kelly's pregame interview. Isn't football just better when James is starting? Yes, it's not even a question. Also to because from our vantage point, I just think about the reporters, like when he stands up there at the podium, like, you know, you're going to get something, even if it's bad. You know, obviously he ends that game by throwing the interception. And he still is like positive. And you're like, this guy is the ultimate optimist. He's one at life. He's one. I got to shoot that question back to you guys, though, going into every single NFL stadium all over the country. Which one's your favorite to visit? Hit it, CT. Well, then nostalgia of Lambeau is always number one. I mean, that is that is football. So that's number one for me. But also I love Arrowhead's great, too. I'm not just saying that because it's you, Trav. It's because it doesn't it's not. It hasn't gone corporate. And as much as these big stadiums are great for some reason, you start to lose that field. This your stadium is very much like a college field because the fans are right on top of the field and you don't have all the sweets down below and that kind of stuff. I also love Charlotte has some bangers. I always like the plays in tunes. Yeah, in Santa Clara at Levi's. The music Aaron and I are big on the DJs. Like they play some pretty Pablo or some of the music of people. There are a lot of more. He's a so good. Hello, copper. And then, of course, in Atlanta, you get Luda every other second. So it's good. Yeah. What about you, Aaron? I feel like because I've been doing this a hundred years, it's the little things like Jerry's World. They take care of you. It's inside. I mean, I know the players have the sun in their eyes and that sucks for a four twenty five, you know, game. But me looking great, the chicken fingers are fire. I love going to the link because obviously, you know, it's fun, great hotel, fire dinner the night before. Dom, I know he's trying to take care of the team, but he's looking out for the girl, which I appreciate. You need an IV. You need to work out. Fine. I mean, to it. Lampos fire, like it's it's always such a fun time. I've done games minus 10 there. I've done games that are hot there. I've done games that we didn't think it was supposed to snow. And all of a sudden it did. It's just a pain in the butt getting to. I love you, Wisconsin. You're so much fun, you know, to once we're there, it's a time. But man, it's hard getting out. I mean, she she misses Troy Aikman's plane is what she misses. I got the out. My. My. And I'm out. Thank you. Well, well, you know, who's taking advantage of the Troy Aikman playing these days of swag, goose. Swag. Always. On the. Oh, I bet. You better not be in my seat. He keeps calling Troy his best friend, so he keeps that plane situation fresh. But he does. You're all FBO is your best friend. Got it. We were talking about Jerry's World. I'm actually going to Jerry's World on Thanksgiving. You are. You guys have a few Thanksgiving games, I believe, and a Black Friday game as well. Right. Yep. What's that like doing like a like hosting a holiday game? And is that any different than the actual ones? Or is it just kind of getting away from the family? Since I've gone into this industry, because I used to do Thursday night football with Mike Turico, Kirk Herbshree. We had a group together. I mean, we were doing West Virginia games, you know, and Louisville, West Virginia on Thursday. Oh, yeah. So it's hard, but I think it's, you know, Chris and I say it all the time to women that ask us about being in the industry. It's one of the best jobs, but you have to love it because, you know, on in the morning on Thanksgiving, you're sitting in a hotel room watching the Macy's Day Parade, but then you have a front row seat to some of the best athletes in the world. So it's also pretty bad ass because we have some amazing games that we get to watch. And I just invited myself over to the Kelsey household for the Blaffer for Thanksgiving. Come on, come on over, Chris. So yeah, it's great. And then I'm going to be with you, Travyn Kansas City. I got we got Broncos chiefs on Christmas. So fun. How do you like playing on Christmas? Because you did it last year too. You do. You fucking love it. Why? I do. I love it. I just, you know, I, I think I have a blast going outside and just playing the game I love on on a day like that when every when I know everybody's enjoying their families together, sitting around a campfire, sitting around the the chimney or the Christmas tree, watching the games at home. And I just know it's I can, I can, I can almost feel the the excitement of Christmas that everyone else is enjoying while I'm on the field. And I don't know. It's just it's a fun. It's a fun atmosphere. I've had the pleasure of playing, I think three games. On Christmas and each and every single one of them I had a blast. And on top of that, I get to have everybody come through to Kansas City on Christmas and Casey this year. So it'll be a good time. That's right. Those games just feel different. They do like Thanksgiving. We all on Fox, we pay tribute to John Madden, which is really, really special. So that day just feels different for us. Yeah. For ducking. You guys ever had the production? I have never had one I've always wanted to. I don't even know where you get that. I'll get one sent to your house. They send us all one. Yeah, we'll get them for you guys. Chris, so we're having a turducken. God damn right. I'm by the way, I'm packing that on air out and I'll see who in Philadelphia. It is so good. Can you fry a turducken or does it have to be roasted? Well, how do you cook a turducken? That's a great question. Why not? Well, because there's stuffing on the inside. Inside. Yeah. There's a lot of things in there. Hey, one guy that we all love on this podcast a lot, Greg Olson. We had Greg Olson eat a turducken one year and it was just like. You went crazy. Oh my God. So good. Hands through the hair, you know, by the third quarter, it was so fabulous. Yeah. He's forget the gel. It's such a great grease. Jason likes to do a fried turkey. Yeah, we do too. I prefer the fried. Same. No, I'm saying you like to fry your turkey. Yeah, I'm frying it. All right. All right. You want to make sure? Yeah, you actually do it, Jace. Oh, yeah. Jared does it. He's got two. He's gone through three friars. I do tend to leave the oil in the fryer outside for too long. And then we got to pitch the fryer. But yeah. So what's the key to a perfect fried turkey? Got to brine it. Definitely make sure that it's completely thawed and there's no. It's not frozen. All that leads to a disaster. You don't want that. You got to make sure you get the fill line properly, right? Because obviously. Proper fill line. When you put the turkey in, the oil is going to come up. So you don't want that oil too high, but you want enough that it's going to cover the bird. But yeah, you brine it. There's an injector. One of our former shrink coaches told me I forget the name, but there's a specific injector of like butter, creole seasoning that you inject right before you put it in the fryer. It is real good. Very good. Yeah. That's about it. Yeah. We love it. Yeah, wait. Put the seasoning on the outside of it. Yeah. They're good. I feel like once you fry turkey, you can't go back. Jared does one every year. I love it. I'm with you. 100%. How did you guys decide to want to do this with your lives? What leads to becoming a broadcaster, journalist and sports? Aaron and I have very similar motivations. I'll let her tell her side of the story. But mine was because I loved hanging out with my dad and he would watch football every Sunday. I would beg my mom to miss church so I could just hang out with my dad. I would sit next to him and I had one very, just one simple rule. I wasn't allowed to talk. He would teach me the game. If I had a question, I'd have to raise my hand and he would teach me the game of football. And it was so, because he's like, hey, I'm not going to have you yapping over here the whole time. So I will teach you the game. But you know what, Jason, you'll appreciate this. And Travis, when you have kids as well, he would make everything a game, right? So he's like, all right, we're going to play school. So you're going to raise your hand and I'm the teacher and I'll teach you and those kinds of things. You also have long hair. And so it was like, if he wanted to be lazy and watch us, he's like, OK, I'm the patient. I broke my leg. I can't get off the couch. So fix my broken leg. Or so every game he played revolved sitting on the couch and it was still playing with us. It was game. Brilliant. He's like, he had long hair and he's like, look, I need my haircut. You got to fix my hair. Again, hasn't moved from the couch. But anyways, I need to get some of these games. You're playing games all wrong, Jason. Everything should revolve around you sitting your ass on the couch. You're being a great dad. But yeah, he loved sports, so I love sports. And I had a brother who played baseball growing up. I played sports growing up. And for me, you know, sports was so much a part of who I was growing up. And so I was a big believer that anything I could do professionally that kept me in sports was the ideal situation. Work as a team. We win together. We lose together, all of that. And I just love the idea of being able to have a profession that involved involved sports involved and worked around it. So that's sort of my motivation. And then, you know, the path to actually getting on air is a little circuitous. But yeah, I started in HR because I just wanted to get in the building, went through everyone's files, ended up blackmailing them. No, I'm sorry. You got me. I was like, oh, this is great. I have this on you. Let me do. Yeah. Who have you been hanging out with? I got in the building through HR and just ended up in production and then, you know, different things from there. But no, I just have always loved sports. So that's sort of my quick 20 second background. It was awesome. I love it. Mine is my dad. He's from New England, big, big, you know, Celtics, Red Sox. He grew up liking the Packers because he always said the Patriots were so bad that they were blacked out in Massachusetts. That's how bad they were. So I grew up just my dad's a great storyteller. He was on television forever. And he just explained it to me very much like not like Chris's dad. I wasn't, you know, taking care of him. No, I'm joking. But he would just make these people sound like my friends. And unfortunately, unfortunately, I grew up thinking that they were. I was obsessed with the Celtics. I wanted the Red Sox to win a World Series so bad for my father. I loved sitting back and watching Brett Favre, you know, do his thing with my dad. And then when I there was never another option. Well, actually, it was like, I want to be a sports broadcaster or I'm going to be a marine biologist, which, whoa. Wow. Why are we different? Sure. Sure. So, yeah, let's be honest, we all know how smart I am. I don't think that would have worked out, but I love it so much. I went to the University of Florida. I told my dad because, you know, if you have a good football team, college football team, the ESPNs, the CBSs, they'll be there. I just wanted really fun Saturdays. And then because I grew up thinking these guys were my friend. I've friends. I've had multiple encounters with Larry Bird. I met him and I told him everything about my life in one minute and absolutely like vomited my life story about how he is my everything. Called my dad right away and I said, holy shit, dad, I just met Larry Legend. I think I embarrassed myself. I talked about all this stuff that and he goes, oh, my God, can you go back and say, I'm sorry? I'm like, no, dad. I'm like, dad, dad, dad, dad. Kevin McHale in an in an airport one time ran up to him. It was like 11 o'clock. He's going somewhere. I'm going somewhere coming home from a game telling him he was my first crush ever. Hi, I'm Erin Andrews. I work on College Game Day, but you're my first crush ever. And I just want to tell you, thank you for. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. One cool story, though, like you think about like giving it, you know, paying it forward and, you know, with your parents and everything. When I worked for ESPN, no, actually Fox, I got to cover the World Series. And my dad was I took my dad to Fenway. It was actually right after, you know, the the marathon and everything and how dramatic that was. But I brought my dad onto the field after they won. And then Fox said, we're going to go live, go inside the clubhouse, grab Big Poppy or whatever. Poppy actually came out in a tank top goggles, champagne spray. All of us. Of course she did. Papa, my dad inserted swinging him around like a rag doll. Oh my gosh. My dad was just like, this is fucking awesome. It was just so cool. So cool. Those stories are the best. You know, we both have our motivation and inspiration to be in sports. Broadcasting was our dad's. And I think to be able to have those moments with them, like you had that the World Series, I got to bring my dad to the 2019 Masters. Front row, a men corner. Top of the leaderboard starts falling off. Tigers inching his way up and I'm like, well, we might be able to see this. And then we go to 16 or second row at 16. He birdie 16 and I like sat there and I was like, holy shit, I'm going to be able to experience Tiger win. So cool. Winning the Masters with my dad. And like our parents don't ask for anything. Like all they ever want is for us to be happy and healthy and like do what we love. And so to like have access or those moments where we can share them with our parents, like that's like the greatest gift in the world. Yeah, that's awesome. Given the fam, those kind of memories, those kind of moments, it's it's you can't put a price tag on it. My daughters don't like watching sports with me yet. How do I start to convince them to like watching sports? Is it the haircut? I got to start playing with the games. Is that the great key? Dr. Barbershop. Yeah, school. Just centered around. So they don't they're not interested in football. I think they're so they're so young. I why did I think she would do it now? She usually wants to watch some Disney movie or like I know that yet. But hopefully I'm hopeful that it's going to start to happen. You're coming up. I got to start coming up with a game, I think. I think that that's the way I got to figure out some way that we're we're doing something and playing while the game's happening. Because the attention span is not there. Yeah, they can't sit down and watch. No, they just want the screen to be changing continually. Stimuli. Yeah, crack. I think also what was so special about, you know, Aaron and I have talked about it like with women and young viewership, like Taylor's impact cannot be overlooked. Like those girls that maybe didn't have an interest in football and then sit down because it's her like that. The commercials and the different like little videos that you see that now all of a sudden the dads have a bond with their daughter. Right. Like is so special again as two women who have made a career out of this because of their dads to have those moments. Like who knows what kind of impact that will have later on in their lives in a myriad of different ways, but it's really special to see. That was just it for me was just having that time with my dad because my dad worked the weekends. He was, you know, at on TV at night. So I didn't get to see him. So that was like our special time to do that. So maybe you carve that out as your special time with your kids. I don't know. I like that free time. Listen, I'd rather watch football than some of the other things we're doing. I think also you just mentioned Taylor and how much she's gotten girls into the sport and dads and daughters together, which that's one of the coolest things I get when people talk about Taylor and Travis and hearing from dads or hearing from daughters about that. It's an awesome thing. But also like how much do you guys think about how many women you've been impacted that watch sports like Kylie was a communications major. She raved about both of you guys and how much she's loved like the platform that you've put women on in sports. Like you guys often think about that and how many women look to you guys as like role models for being involved in sports. Thank you for saying that. Thank you, Kylie. That's high praise from you. But there was a young lady, her name's Alexandra. She works as a Patriots reporter. She has for the last five years. She's been in the industry for 10 years. And as I was walking out on Thursday night, she handed me a handwritten note and wrote the nicest thing about Aaron and I. And I don't ever like to think like, oh, inspiration, whatever. But it was so well said that, you know, she watched Aaron and I do this over the last few years and kind of were, you know, behind the scenes, I guess, a motivation for her to do it as well. And now she's doing it and she's doing it on a big stage. And that's, and again, Aaron and I have been in this industry for 20 years. So when I have moments like that or even get anyone recognizing that maybe we might have, you know, I don't know, dare I say inspired them, like that's really special. And I don't ever, ever, ever take that for granted because I'll be honest. And I told your wife this on, on her podcast, there was some women that were not so nice to me coming through as I was surprising to me, you know, ascending. I'll just say, I mean, women can be catty and like a man can be catty too. It's not just limited to female gender, but it, you know, jealousy or, you know, these are few and far between these are very coveted positions. And so look, there's a competitiveness that unfortunately turns into cattyness. And I always made it a point because I will never forget those people, the individuals that were not so nice. And I was like, if there's anyone, I understand that this seat is, is a special privilege to sit in, but there will be a time and a place where I have to pass that on. You guys know in the industry and the positions that you play and the support that you play, there comes a time where there's going to be the next younger, faster, bigger, stronger person. And so it's like, yeah, you don't want to give up the seat, but it, but at least help that person along the way. So I'm grateful of the women that were nice to me, but the ones that I will always remember the ones that were not so nice. So yeah, I think for the longest time, I, well, even now, I just, I was Tom Bernalde the other day we were talking, he said to me, you're not a tourist with how much you love the sport. You, I live and breathe it, not like you guys. I mean, believe me, I get that. That's a different kind of lifestyle and dedication, but I'm obsessed with it. Because it's the only thing I love talking about besides my family. I look up to you guys so much. I look up to your families, what you've been through. And a lot of that is because of who I ended up marrying and watching his journey and knowing what it takes behind the scenes, especially when you're not a superstar or anything like that, but you love the game so much. I love football and I, there's nothing more I want to do than be out there. And so I feel like when people come up to me, especially dads and they say, I want my little girl to do this. I want her to be like you. That's, I think what's breaking me down a lot more than it used to, especially now that I have Mac. Because I want my kids to be you. I do. I want them to attack life like both of you did and or do. And so I think that's the thing that's like hitting me harder than ever, you know, and, and, and also I'll echo that about Kylie as well. When she had me on the podcast and she just mentioned that Kylie's no bullshit. Like she knows what's real and what's not. And when she just said, Hey, you know, you've done this and I've looked at that hit me. Like I, I got, you know, tears in my eyes because she knows the people that care and love it and respect the players and the coaches and the organizations like Chris and I do. So that means a lot to me when you're kind of stopped and like Chris, I got that note the other day. That those are nice reminders. Absolutely. I bet it's the best. Do you guys remember your first broadcast? You've done so many. Welcome to broadcasting moment. Were you proud of it? Where you, did you black out? Did you, do you remember exactly what you said? I remember my first, like my first DSPN one, like I worked with the Tampa Bay Lightning. That was where my first real gig out of college. I was the sideline reporter. I mean, Jared loves to watch those like, you know, if they're showing this Stanley Cup and he's like, look at green machine. I like thought it was so great. The Tampa Bay Lightning were playing the Calgary flames in the Stanley Cup final. I worked for ABC. I got to do it. It's game seven back in Tampa. Like the team I got my first job with. And you know what? My mom and dad and I, we went to the West Shore Mall and we went to Ann Taylor and I picked out a green top that I thought would be fire for game seven. So Jared loves when they start playing that, he's like, look at the green machine there. Oh my gosh. My first DSPN game they threw me after I got, you know, I did that for ESPN. They threw me on Saturday night football, which was, you know, such a huge deal. And I think it was Virginia Tech USC and it was naughty. It was somewhere. It wasn't even at their stadium. It was such a big night for those two teams. And I remember we had a jib cam. Jason, you know the one because I think you guys use it. They had a jib cam and I was gripping that microphone so hard, but I also was standing with my legs like this. Like I was bracing myself like a cheerleader, like the old producer. After I nailed my hit goes, Hey, great job. So next time we do this, closure legs. I needed a good base. I needed a good base. CT, what about you? When I worked in HR, then I moved into production and I was like, I want to, you know, be in sports broadcasting. They're like, cool. Good luck with that. I'm not working in production. And so I took whatever job was available in the production because it was all that. Remember all the RSNs like the Fox Sports Rocky mound or Fox Sports Pittsburgh. All of them. So I moved, I moved to Denver and I became a production assistant and I just worked behind the scenes and I did anything I could to learn the trade and all that kind of stuff. And so then they were like, well, we're going to send you out to like local bars and, you know, kind of interview fans and all that kind of stuff. So like those, that was my first on air experience was in a bar and I was like, well, this is weird. So natural in this environment. Yeah. These are my people in here. So then that got parlayed into, they let the girl go that was on air as their Rockies reporter at the Colorado Rockies. And so they, they were like, we'll give you a shot. And if you're okay, then we'll give you another shot. And then they kept giving me shots. And so that turned into a two year contract, which was awesome. Anyways, so that was my first on air experience. But my first welcome to TV moment TV in a cold environment moment was I'm working for the big 10 network. It is a golden gopher's game. We are outside, you know, the one, you know, the one. I got the microphone. All right. Coach says, and the play cock. I mean, my mouth. Oh yeah. I can't correct myself. So finally I just go, Tom, you guys got it from here. And that's the worst Jason. I don't know if you feel this way on air. It's like once you stumble, it's like, and then you try to correct it. It's almost like lying the cover up that just the content is like, it's frozen. It was just a wrap. Oh, that's funny. Do you think it's easier to get into sports broadcasting now or verse when you guys first started? What do you, what do you think of the current landscape? I think the one thing that's cool is there's a lot of avenues. Like these teams have their own like digital social production studios that are nicer than what I was ever, you know, introduced to before I got to Fox or ESPN. So I think there's a lot more opportunities in terms of how you get into the industry. But I will say this, Leslie Visser gave me this piece of advice, you know, and I don't know if you're just talking about being a female in the industry. But, you know, you, I say this to young girls. I kind of copy her, but being a female helps you get your foot in the door. But in order for you to stay, you have to work your tail off. And I think that's because of being a female, right? And I, that's the chip I have on my shoulder. But yeah, I do think there's a lot more opportunities. What do you think, CT? Yeah. I mean, in the, in the digital age that we live in, I mean, there's so many different platforms. I mean, you could start your own channel. You could sit, you know, whether it's a podcast, whether it's YouTube channel, any of these things. There's so many like, whereas for us, I mean, 20 years, ago, it was, you know, the CBS, the ABC, the, you know, Fox. I mean, there was only a couple. And like, as I mentioned, those regional channels as well, or like your local news, I remember my, you know, when I was working my way through production, somebody said to me, a news director, and he was like, you send a resume real. And, you know, for me, it was like on this, I took it from a beta and a DVC. Yeah. And I put it on a CD and he's like, there's going to be different news directors that are going to put this, this tape in for all of five seconds. So if you don't capture their attention in the first five seconds, it's a wrap. You're going to be thrown in this pile with a bunch of other tapes and people that want to do this. And so when I was younger and I knew I wanted to do it, I took a paper towel, roll on a tennis ball and I taped it together and I made a microphone and I took my parents, you know, old camcorder thing and I set it up. Oh yeah. And I made my brother, made my brother to be J. Buehner. I was like, can you please be J. Buehner so I can interview you and I made this like whole thing. And he got like a free bat, you know, like when you go to the Mariners games, like, oh, it's batting, you know, helmet night or like whatever. So he put it in. Oh yeah. He was older than me and he's like, oh, this is so stupid, Carissa. Like so stupid. And I was like, please, I'll do whatever you want. I just, please, can you please just do this? So he's like, fine. Cute. So he stands there and I interview him. Yeah. I mean, I was like, you can't be Ken Griffey. I mean, I'm not sure. I would have liked that. That video would have been epic. I ended up using that on my resume reel. That's on your reel. That was on your reel. Yeah. Because I was like, how am I going to get these news directors attention in the first five seconds? And so it was like a 10 year old, you know, little girl interviewing. That's cute. So anyways, those were the things that we had to do. Now it's with social media, you don't have to, you know, create your own show on Instagram. You just have to get followers and you have to do all of that stuff where it's like, there's a following. There's a whole different avenue that you can approach it from, which is great. I mean, the more the merrier, that's what I say. I mean, here's my thing about that too and welcoming and everybody. There's room at the table for everybody. And if there isn't, then get another table and build, you know, a group over there. So, yeah, I think it's awesome that if anybody wants to do this job, there's opportunities. But again, you know, as you work your way up, there's coveted ones that are few and far between. CT, do you remember like any of your features or packages that were on your resume reel? I can only think of one that I know. And I remember I was editing it and I was trying to do Phil Collins in the air. Do you remember like one of yours? Oh, yeah. Not as dramatic as a Phil Collins in the air. This was, you had to do the recording and the editing and this wasn't just like, yeah, that's crazy. And mine was awful. Jason, could you imagine if we had to edit this show? Edit. Perry the tripod, you had to set up a shot. You had to do, yeah, voiceovers. You had to do all of that. But I think that's a good to be able to learn all facets of it. But let's go back to you guys editing this show. Okay. It would never get out by Wednesday. I don't even know what application they use. I can't find the print button on this fucking computer. I would have no chance. I don't know how to work any of this stuff. If you told me to print something on the printer right here, I would cut it. Do you guys have a favorite sport that you like covering? Ooh, that's a good one. Doing it. The NFL. NFL for sure. Yeah. I was a part of college forever, even, you know, doing college game day and it was great. And I loved it so much and I'm grateful of it really just formed me. It taught me a lot. I mean, it did and I made great relationships with the guys that I worked with. But I knew and this was a big thing when I left ESPN to go to Fox, it was a, I was like, am I doing the right thing? Should I not? I mean, I called, I talked to coach K. I talked to Chip Kelly. I talked to a lot of people that I worked with and I was like, is this the right thing to do? It's the best sport to cover. It is awesome. And it's because of you guys. It is. It's just how you- Are football players the best NFL players are the best to cover, you think? Hockey is pretty fun too. Hockey is a time. The athletes that play in the NHL are by far the wildest. They are like the disparity of them. Oh yeah. They're party, they're fun time. They will say more outlandish things. I feel like NFL guys are more buttoned up and kind of toe the line mostly. Whereas I feel like NHL guys, you'll get like some great sound bites out of these dudes. There's a little bit of that protect the shield from the NFL. We're hockey because I covered hockey for a couple of years when it was first is it became part of NBC's package, but I love playoff hockey. There is nothing better. I gotta say, yes, of course, playoff, you know, the NFL, that's my number one. But right below that is playoff hockey. I'll never forget the Montreal Canadians were an eight seed. They knocked off the capitals, then they knocked up the penguins. Then they took the flyers. I think it was to four and just going and working a game at the Bell Center in Montreal and like, that is, yeah, it was awesome experience. And I don't need to tell Aaron because she's been to more hockey games than she can ever remember. Jared winning two Stanley cups and like that whole experience, but like hockey is incredible. I love college college. My first ever college football game I worked was Michigan App State. That big, you know, the one you guys were the block yield. That's a fun one. Yeah. And I remember I was standing there and I was like, I mean, I'm obviously like, understand the game and I'll be like, this is, this is, this is a D three school. This is, you know, this big upset. And so I remember my, I even remember my opening standup. You could rob a bank in Boone today because no one is watching. Everyone's watching this game. And then it ended up being a big upset. We got in the car after words and Tom Brennan and Charles Davis were the play by play and analysts and they go, well, how does that rank of all the games you've worked? And I was like, well, this was my first one. Number one. It's all downhill from here. Why are you here? And this is very odd. There were three banks robbed in. Exactly. Boone, North Carolina had a lot of bank robberies that day. But no, it was college football school to jump around at Camp Randall. I mean, Erin got to work SEC. I'm so jealous. I never got to work in SEC football game. Yeah. I want to, I want to go back to these SEC places. Yeah. I've never even been one of them. What? I've only played in one. Neither has Jared. He's never gotten to see any of it. I'm like, you do. Do you have no idea? It's like Toronto Maple Leafs on, you know, it's the next level. That's another game. So seriously, I know you went to Florida. What's the best environment in all honesty on game day? Because I've heard one routinely and I want to know if it matches up. When I was working college game day, Saban, Alabama, it was the end all be all. I was like, I'm getting my kid. I'm going, I'm giving him to Saban. It's going to be like Simba, the circle of life. He's going to make my kid go to the national championship and get him in the league. So Alabama is fire. LSU at night. That is what everyone says. Death Valley, everyone unanimously. It's rockin', it's shakin'. Those people have been in the parking lot over the weekend. They are marinated perfectly. It is shrimp A to Faye. You know how much shrimp A to Faye I have work in it. That's fire. Ole Miss is fun for, you know, a three o'clock game, but LSU is amazing. It's really great. They said people just park in the middle of the street and they just take their car, their keys with them. Like what is happening? Jesse Palmer, who I also work Thursday night football with, he used to talk about when he played for Florida, I don't know. It was a big matchup. It was like one versus whatever. Florida rolls into Death Valley and he said, you know, they're on the bus with Coach Spurrier and people are just shaking the Gators bus. And he said there's Gators hanging from the trees and Coach Spurrier was like, hold on, y'all. Hold on. All days like that, those stories, so much fun. Yeah, college football, it was fun to cover, but I like going to Arrowhead. With the NIL and conference realignment, it feels different. It's different. It's still awesome game. The sport is still great. It just felt different when, you know, like the Pac-10 was the Pac-10 and the, you know, I don't know. There just is like a different vibe to it. But that's, you know, Yeah, it's definitely in a weird state right now with the conferences and the NIL stuff and teams are now it has 20 teams. I don't even know. I couldn't even name all the teams. I know it's different. Kids are like playing for like three different schools. Like it's nuts. It's driving best, please. And yeah, but the plus ones, you Jared, Steve, you guys have to go to LSU together when everybody is like done with their show. That would, you guys would crush it. Yes. CT, I was going to ask you when you covered an HL and we both did, was there ever a time because the injuries with those guys are so different from, I mean, hockey players will come and do an interview with half their face hanging off. And I did it. I did a game, Jeremy Roenig, that shows how old I am. Half his face was off. Like he had gotten it all stitched up. Oh my God. Yeah. He had to wear that chin guard for a while. I remember this. And I looked at him and I go, oh my God. And then I just blanked out on my way. You're making you talk? Yeah. I go, does that hurt? And he was like, yes. Really? You're like, what? I have no views because it was like half his face was hanging off. But did you ever do one where you're like, holy shit. No, I didn't have that experience. But when you said Jeremy Roenig, I remember I worked in Olympics with him in Vancouver. Nobody, nobody I repeat. And I can out drink Jeremy Roenig. I have heard this. He is one. He's talking maniac in the best way possible. Oh my God. I want to play golf with Roenig. I've heard he's just a blast on the course. But they all are. They are. They're so much fun. Speaking of good people, which was a really, really fun story. We had a chance to and Casey hang out with Wayne and Janet and you guys all together. And it was, I guess I wasn't really paying attention to my husband in the moment. Like he has, you know, hung out with Wayne a little bit, but not anything to like that personal of that night. And my husband was glowing. I mean, it was like, oh my God. And it was so cool. Chris, I don't know what you think, but like the boys that we were with just asking Wayne all the questions, like seeing somebody like Greg Olson, just Wayne, let me ask you something. So this three tight end formation. No, I'm kidding. You know what? I like Greg. Those guys, those go cool. And what's so great about Wayne, and I think the NHL is just a normal dude. We'll tell you, and what a great job she does and, and, and Greg and just really, really just awesome to be around. I mean, it's Wayne Gretzky. It's just, I mean, the opposite. Full stop Wayne Gretzky. I mean, you're just down. But that just reminds me of the text chain that we're on and Greg Olson does not care if we tell this story. Ever. Okay. Wayne, it's, I don't know who's on the text. There's a couple of us, including Greg, Aaron and I, myself, Dean, Kevin, and Dino. Okay. Kevin. And after that night, it was a couple of days later, like last week, I guess Wayne had texted Greg, he got his phone number and he just wrote, Hey, this is 99. Okay. There's only one 99. There's only one. It's not JJ one. Yeah. He actually said, Hey, I just want to tell you it was great hanging out with you. And I just was watching you and you do a really good job. And he also gave a little bit of a hint. He said, Janet and I really enjoyed getting to know you. So Greg sends a picture of the text to all of us on this chain and Greg's response is, I'm sorry, who is this? He wrote, who is this? He's had to be joking. I mean, he had a few ones that night. I think we all had a few ones that night. That was a good one. I kind of came in from Dallas. He was working a game in Dallas and came in just to get some food over at 1587. Had no idea he was going to run into the great world. That's amazing. That was the back and forth. Like that was the Giants Dallas game. It went back and forth at 100 different times. And he was like, Oh, I'm not missing it. He is such an animal, Greg. What a, what a vast. That's awesome. Well, Wayne is, I had two posters on my wall as a kid. I have Wayne Gretzky and Mark McGuire. From when he broke the record for the whole interview. Wow. Very odd. I was not fan of either of the teams. Sounds like a 90s kids right there. That's right. That's right. Bring steroids back, baby. Hey, I had a Brian Dawgsworth poster. Yeah. Oh, the boss. The boss. So you gotta do, just take steroids and you get up on the wall, kids. Aaron, you just touched on the, like hockey players, there is like this, just being like regular guys. I feel like there's a beautiful culture with hockey. Where like, if you even start to get a big head, your teammates will rip you apart, like ruthlessly. Oh, immediately. And that's something I've always loved. Just chop you down one by one. And then like, Ronik with the, with the cut, they, they like brag about their teeth being missing. They'll take their teeth out of the bar and set it down. I'm like, okay. And it's like, it's a badge of honor at being marred for life for those guys. And I, I mean, I can see this because I married one. They're some of the best looking dudes you've ever seen. Like they are gorgeous. Manly man, dude. And then they take their teeth down and you're like, ooh. On the case and, and our friends, we walk around with gold prongs hanging down in the front because they're like, what's the point? It's just going to get, you know, bashed in during the season. I'll wait till the end of the year to, to get the veneers put in. But fun fact, we have incredible, incredible health insurance with the NHL. We still have. You want to know what we don't have good insurance on? Dental. Oh, no way. Of course. They lobbied for it. The players was like, no. The owners are like, yeah, we're not, we're not agreeing to dental for life. No, no chance. I'd love to ask you guys about some of your current coworkers. What former player has gone into the broadcasting world that has surprised you guys the most? Former player that's going, you know, I had a really, I'll just start while Aaron thinks, I had a really unique situation with Amazon because everybody except for Tony had just come from playing. Oh yeah. So, I'm just finished playing, we just finished playing and Fitz finished playing. So they had never done TV before. I remember we were in our first production meeting in the rundown. Yeah. It said banter in the rundown and they all look at me and they go, what does that mean? And I go, oh Jesus. I was like, what are you doing? Out of the glass. You don't know what banter is? Come on. Pretty self-explanatory guy. Let's just start talking. Just shoot the shit, boys. But it was, I have been so impressed with how, I mean, they have been unbelievable. They have, you know, we're now in our fourth year and you would never know that these guys had never done television before we started Amazon. So that was, that was, that was an awesome, you know, it speaks to, you know, do your, do your homework and it shows. And also the personality and also, you know, Amazon allows you very much like Fox says, it's why we love working for these companies. It's like, be you. They don't try to make you someone you're not. So if Fitz wants to rip his shirt off or wear a Hawaiian shirt, he can do that. If Whit wants to have his hoodie on under his jacket, he can do that. Anyways, it's just, I was very impressed with, with those guys ability to jump in so quickly after Jason, as you know, um, you know, you're done playing because it looks easier than it actually is on TV. Everyone's like, oh, anyone can do it. And you're like, okay, then come try it. It's not as easy as it looks. So yeah. And I think we saw that with Tom Brady. I mean, I think he was the most scrutinized person to get into a booth, especially last year, right? Um, and I'm proud of him. I, I really thought, you know, like you said, you get in, you think you can do it. And it's like, and I'm not saying that about Tom, but everyone has their opinion and, and they let it be known what they thought of him. And it was funny. We were, um, I think we were doing Tampa. Maybe it was Eagles, Tampa Eagles week four. And I was sitting in my hotel room and they were playing last year's Eagles fucks game. And, uh, I texted TV and I just said, wow, listening to you in this game, which was your fourth game of the season versus now, it's just night and day. And that's a testament. And I, I'm not surprised because I think all of us know what his work ethic, you know, was going to be heading into the job. I think I'm more annoyed about how good he's gotten and how quickly I'm like, come on. Do you do everything? Well, this is crazy. And he looked fantastic. He looks so good. Well, I don't, I need to figure out what he's doing. His hair is skin. He's not going to bars, Jason. Is that what the, he doesn't go to bars. He doesn't go to bars. I'm not willing to get that up. We're never gonna make it. I don't know if he's embracing the graze, Jason. I think you embrace the graze. You guys know this. You've been around enough of us and, and you've been around enough guys in the locker room. You can tell when you sit down with players that you're like, you'd be really good at this, by the way. I mean, Jason, we were telling you that nonstop when we would deal with you in Philadelphia and Trav were in your era about it as well. I mean, you can just tell the guys that'll be able to shine. Jason's been killing it. One of my favorite segments Jason's ever done is his, his piece on the veteran he did last week. Yeah. Yeah. That was awesome. Yeah. That was awesome. Yeah. Cheers. Kept it together. That was awesome. You're the best. All right. That was just a little bit of a brother bragging. Thanks, Trent. It was very sweet. Wow. I think we can keep this thing moving to our last segment, which is we got to ask. You guys don't have to answer, but it's, you guys should tell us the fuck off, but I think there's a fun questions to ask. And I'll start it off with who is the hardest coach that you have ever had a sideline interview with? Ah, Lloyd Carr. I'll just start right here. When they were mission, they were losing and that Michigan app state game, he blew me off. He didn't stop. He was like, peace out. At halftime. Yeah. At halftime. And remember this was my first ever game. So I was like, oh shit. Like I, right. And then I'm like, to me now I would have ran his ass down and tackled him and been like, no, you got a navigation. Lloyd Carr. Lloyd Carr was my, was my, yeah. I mean, that stands out. In for sure. I would say coach Belichak. I just, and not because he was ever disrespectful, but you knew what you were get, you would get even if they were up by 30. And I love a challenge. And I remember just asking Jared, even texting him during the game. I'm like, shit. I'm in my head about this. Like I want coached this to go well. And Jared would always say, it's not about you. This has nothing to do with you. This is how it is. Like this is, you know, his demeanor on the field and because off the field, I would say to coach, Hey, how do I get you to like me? And he's like, what are you talking about? I like you. Yeah. But that was just how he handled things. So I took it as a mission. Coach Saban early in his career, when I was doing college, I was very like, because he was very direct, but then, you know, yeah, but, uh, yeah, I cracked him a bit. So what about, what about the opposite? Favorite coach? She like, who's like somebody where you're like, I get to talk to him and he's just going to kill it. This is going to be great. Yeah. Happy or sad or pissed off. Kyle Shanahan is freaking green at half time because he will tell you everything. And he doesn't candy coat it. Chris and I have talked about it a lot. And he'll also do it with a full blown sprint. So it's like, your bra better be supportive. You better have like, I'm like ducking in and out of you guys. He's got to play sweet. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Jason, you know, like you don't, and cause he's going and you better have two ready to go cause that's all you're going to get. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we just talked about it. I was so grateful that Mike Raybull came up to set. I have, I never, never take for granted. You guys have just played a game and, you know, the, you got, you want to go take a shower or you got, you know, for him, he's got a good post game podium stuff and all this kind of stuff. So, um, coming up and doing an interview from him, Sean Payton's always been great. The best. We worked that one year together at Fox, but although my man, I got to work with him. He, he, you ask him a question and it's 40 minutes later and he has the answer to the question and I'm like, Sean, what is happening? So we're going to work on him being more missing, but we love Sean. Mike Raybull. Yeah. I don't know. Mike Tomlin's another OG that's always like, the lines he delivers are so, he was great. Just this past week, he's, he's a classic. Yeah. We've had an idea on the show for a boyfriend whistle. What do you think of this idea? Like almost like a whistle, like you're the coach, like, take the trash out. Like, what are you doing without it? I don't know. The idea is that men are coachable. So if you need chores done around the house, you just, you get a whistle to get their attention to snap into line and do it. Or if you just mentioned it to them while they're doing something else, it won't register. So the idea was to get a boyfriend whistle. Whenever they need to coach up their husband. Oh my God. I'm, I'm not mad at it. I'm ordering a whistle right now off Amazon. Steve, you're going to have a long night ahead of you. You're seeing a good video and come with it. Get going. Oh no, Jimmy. I mean, Steve is very coachable. I will say he always just tells me to write down what I want him to do. He's like, I will do whatever you want me to do. You just have to write it down. Cause if you just tell me while I'm doing other things, I'm going to forget. And then you're going to say to me, you weren't listening to me because I wasn't listening to you because I was doing other things. So if I just write it down, but I'm now all in on the, and we'll leave him play a little low the whistle in the background. See, I don't need that for chores in my house because mine is on me about staying, keeping it tight. So yeah. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. Big time. But yeah, other things. I'm down for it. Let us know when we can pick that up. Sorry. We got to get a new heights whistle on the market. Yes. All right. When traveling with friends, what makes a good travel plus one? Oh, keeping track of the passport. I don't want to be responsible for it. I am, I'm, I'm, I'm way more responsible than me. So when I, since we all travel a lot for work, every single person on here, when I travel recreationally, I am at that airport bar or that airport lounge and I am ready to get in the mix. So I don't want to be responsible for having to get to the gate on time. I don't want to deal with the passport. Like I'm already on my vacation this second I get in that Uber to go to the airport. So like please just be responsible for me while we're at the airport. And that makes a good travel partner. But I think Steve and Jared are the same with this, Chris, with our vacations we've gone on. Like they deal with, I know Jared deals with the reservations. He deals with the cars that are picking us up. Like he's very big into the schedule and hey guys, we're going to do this. And sometimes a little too much. Like, hey babe, Clark Griswold, relax. We don't need to have the whole trip planned out. Maybe one day we sleep in. I don't know. He's a planner. So yeah, he's really good with that. And I think when he's not around, I kind of panic like, wait, I have to plug in my gloves myself and heat them myself and bring our stuff down to the locker. What are you talking about? Jared, we have to tell. So this past season, Aaron and I and Steve and Jared did a Griswold European vacation. So we were almost 10 days or two weeks. Yeah. We were in Europe together. And the boys, the guys planned it all. They did everything. So Aaron and I had a talking with one another before this trip started. Like we are not allowed to fucking complain about a goddamn thing because the slant. So there we go. But the one night we did complain was when Jared asked a teammate, former teammate who was European of where to go to dinner one night. Oh no. We were in Monaco and there was these guys. There were these guys that were there on a bike. They were on a cycling trip with a bunch of dudes. Okay. Cross-states that showed up. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. No, no. We're better off. There they were. Yep. And so as we're asking these guys about their cycling trip, they're like, oh, yeah. I'm like, so do you bring your own bike? And they're like, no. And I'm like, definitely a cover up on the old cycling trip. Oh my God. I don't even know where to go, Jason. It's on you. As a girl dad of four, at some point, I will have four teenage girls living under one roof. Is there any advice that you guys have? What is just? I would want to remember this vividly where I saved up my babysitting money and Janko jeans were like really. And then and so I came down the stairs in these Janko jeans and my dad looked at me and goes, what the fuck you wearing? And I go, I'm wearing my new jeans. And he goes, not in this house. And I was devastated that he wasn't going to let me dress like the skater that I wanted to dress like and whatever. But he always had the thing like it's my house, my rules. And he was like, you are not, that's not, we're not doing that. And so I would say along those same lines where it's like, you know, my dad also said, had this expression, it's not my job to be your friend. It's my job to be your parent. And then when you turn 18, you get to decide if you want to be friends with me. So it's like as hard as it is, I'm sure. Because girls will like, you know, butter you up and all this stuff. It's like, you just stay and I know you and Kylie are very aligned on this. I've heard you say like, we don't want to raise rats and you won't because I loved that. Because it's like, it's your, I mean, to send these children out into the world and be good human beings, it starts at home and that is a thankless job. I don't have kids. I won't pretend, but I just know like for me that growing up in a household with discipline, but a lot of love, like I knew what the rules were. I knew that my parents, you know, like had the best intentions and like kids want boundaries. They want to know like what the rules are. So I would say like just even if they're girls and you feel like you got to like be a little bit lenient because they're don't, it will help them later on to not just always like give them the out because they're, you know, little girls. See, it's crazy. I'm running into this at my house. I, I did grow up with boys. I mean, I, it was my sister and, you know, I, but I know Jared and obviously had structure throughout his whole life. He moved away from home when he was 14 to go play junior hockey. Jared is easier on Mac than I am and Mac's only two, but like prime example, you know, he's kind of acting up yesterday and I said, Jared, now's your time. And he blows my mind because I am very much like, and I, I loved when you talked about Disney world and your daughter and you just said, I don't want to raise price because yesterday I decided, hey, let's go. No, you're half of it. I love that. Because that's how I feel. And so it is a real balance here, but now I'm, today I felt like before he left for the rink, I was like, wow, our parenting skills, like we need to get on the same, you know, level here. But so when does that happen, Jason? I'm curious about that. We're on the same page almost all the time. I would say very routinely we're both pretty disciplinary and when it comes to the girls. I've seen you. You're amazing. Yeah. But you're good. I will say, I will say the girls, the only girl I grew up with is Travis. So this is new territory to a specific set for me. How did I catch his story in this? How did I catch his story? When I first found out I was having a wife, I was like, okay, I'm not going to raise her any different than how I would raise a boy. Like I'm going to make her tough and like disciplined and I'm not going to be like this, like daddy's daughter who's getting everything she wants. And then like the moment she came out, it was like very hard to not be that bad. Like it becomes very obvious exactly what you're talking about, Carissa, where it's like, it is very difficult when they look at me a certain way to not cave like instantaneously. And especially those eyes on your girls. My gosh. And I will say Kylie is better at resisting that than I am 100%. So I could still, though, listen, like the waffle story. If there's anything where it's out cave for like a treat or like something innocuous, but if it's like either being selfish or mean or lying or like any of the big top of like, we're not going to put up with this. I'll for sure like put my foot down. And I think in our house with the two girls, and I feel bad now for my mom with this, my dad was always like, you know, he, because we knew, you know, dad wasn't at home during the day. It was always mom. And so we acted differently for dad. And I feel bad that I did that to my mom now. So obviously our relationships are, you know, I'm so sorry mom because now Mac does that to me. But yeah, no, I feel like you'll always be a different role with daddy. So yeah, that's interesting when you have to figure out to be the disciplinarian. I was just thinking about, and I know we all grew up in the same era where it was like, you know, we didn't have cell phones and our parents weren't like, when they would leave during summer vacation, they would leave that note, the proverbial note on the counter that was like, these were the chores for the day. And if you didn't get that shit done by the time you're in trouble. And it's like, I miss those days where it's like those, those, you know, again, you understood what the rules were and I'll never forget the garage door opened and I was like, my dad was all running around, you know, do all the chores, but it was like, it was the rules were pretty clear cut. It's like, yeah, a simpler time guys. It'll be crazy. I mean, even in the next 10 years, what our kids will be doing with, I know, like, all that stuff, it's kind of hard to even like comprehend. I'm trying to push off the phones. Yeah, I was just thinking, even when I went to college, phones weren't a big thing. It was like, you were real rich if you had a phone in college. And I used to drive, I mean, that's not even that far, but two and a half hours to go from Tampa to Gainesville. And my parents were good with, I didn't have a phone. Now you don't want your kid like, you know, going down the street without a phone. It's wild how things have changed. Our dad used to give us a calling card. Did you ever have those for the pay phones? Yeah, of course. So whenever we went out to go like play baseball at the field, if we ever needed a ride or anything like that, we would pull out the card that dad gave us just to call for the pay phone. It started off though. I was calling him collect. Before he gave us the card, I would walk home from school in like elementary school, middle school. And I'd call my dad collect on a 1-800 number. And he would be like, stop calling me and you give your ass home. I'm not paying for all of these calls. Stop asking me. You're coming straight home. Let me start thinking about it. He's like, I mean, it kind of is convenient to have a little calling card. So that they could reach me if they need me. Can you still call people collect? I don't know. I don't even know pay phones. Where's the last time I saw a pay phone? I don't know. Would star 69 still work? Oh yeah, we did that too when you wanted to prank people or find out who was calling. Star 67. So they couldn't star 69 you? We're talking to some pros here. Did you guys ever have girls like prank call you like like any prank stories? They did. Well, I know, but I mean like one that's like, because we would prank call like all the cute boys in school and that's like they knew we were doing it, but prank calling. I don't remember ever getting prank calls. I just remember listening in on all the Jason skulls, just being the shitty little brother. What's the best jerk you got? Nothing. It was never anything exciting. It was just me feeling like I was like being a spy. My sister was five years older than me and she was dating the high school quarterback. And I remember I was, I played with Barbies until I was way too old. Like somebody in my step didn't have been like, I think they're a little too old for this. This has been weird. In the Barbie convertible and the dream house. And I was like in, you know, ninth grade. He's like, that's enough. But I remember like, I think I was in, I'm not kidding, seventh grade and the high school quarterback walked in my house and I was mortified. I like threw the Barbie. And I was like, hi Brad. I was like, oh look, these are neighbors Barbies, not mine. All right. I think the last one is we're giving you guys the floor. Since we have a claimed journalist on the pod, we want to give you guys the chance to maybe ask Jason a question or Travis say that. Okay. So I always think about in an interview, you know, Aaron and I love doing sit down interviews for a lot of different reasons get to, you know, learn more about you guys, just have that like one-on-one. Cause sometimes in games and post it's just a different vibe when you actually get to sit down interview. But I always want to ask this question, is there a question that you wish somebody would have asked you and they never did? Go, Chris. And it could be about anything. It's like, you know, cause sometimes when those interviews are over and you're like, we, this is to get in our brains, we're like, Oh God, did we ask the right questions? Did we do enough? Did we ask you meant like, you know, did we, whatever? And then I always think like maybe there was a question they wanted me to ask and I didn't. I love that. I feel like I've never, I've never had that come across my mind, but I've, I've always been appreciative of when I get asked about my family. Yeah. I think that shining light on my mom, my dad, Jason, um, our supporting cast around Cleveland Heights. I feel like I've always been like, those are the questions I want to answer more than anything else about football. Cause that's what's at the core of it all. Yeah. I think similar to what Travis saying, a lot of the times you're getting your answering questions about yourself and it feels a little bit weird when you're kind of doing that. I guess you, yeah, we did, we had a great interview like that, Aaron, when we, uh, we did the whole line in Philadelphia. That is one of my favorite interviews. It was one of my favorite because it was with the guys. It was like, it was a group. So I fell in love with all of you that day. That was so special. I think, yeah, maybe the best answer is kind of what Travis saying, either the family or like about a teammate or something like that. Those are always the ones that I really enjoy the most as like an interviewer or interviewee. I'm going to bring some humor to it. When I started in this industry, I had a lot of athletes tell me about people that interviewed them that had really bad breath and that always stayed in my mind. I am a psycho when it comes to breath and interviews so much so that in my pants, any of my pants that I'm wearing during a game, there are two list arena like containers and even the spray. And if I don't have them, I am like, yeah, the trainers for something. I am begging the guys, the camera guys, anything in my nose, teeth. And then I have a story. I interviewed Ryan Howard one time and I took in the list arena thing. They were stuck together. So I think there was like four of them in and I took it and my breath was so fresh. It hit him in the eyes and I said to him, oh my God, are you crying? And he goes, no, but your breath is so fresh. It just caught me in the eyes. I think we've all had that experience of bad breath and it is, it's difficult to carry on a conversation. There's definitely some guys I could throw into the bus. I won't do it. But yeah, I think of opposing players when you guys are talking so close. That's my one thing. I'm like, oh God, their breath must be tough. But yeah, you don't think about it during the game, huh? Have you noticed it ever on the field? I've more noticed my own teammates. You're sitting next to somebody in meetings. And then all of a sudden it's like, God damn it. He's having a day today like it's nothing worse than somebody ripping ass in the huddle though. You know, it happens like three or four times. Like, all right, listen, man, you got to get this under control. This is ridiculous. Sitting right next to you. This is like the difference of sometimes, not all, because Aaron and I are very honest with each other. But the difference between men and women is two guys walk into a party with the same shirt on and they come up to each other and like, look, fucking great, man. Look at that. Sure. What a great shirt. You look awesome. Yeah. Yeah. You women walk into a party with the same dress and they're on opposite ends going, that bitch looks terrible in this dress. God damn. It's so different. It's like men would be like, bro, your breath is awful. So here's a man and women would just like skirt around it and be like, anyone want a man? No, you're talking to Sarah over here. Yeah, so you guys are the fucking best. This was so much fun. I can't tell you. We left more here than we've left in a long time. Exactly. You guys are the best. Seriously. And congrats on the success. Like, I mean, we need, you know, us, you know, as Aaron and I having come from this world from a long time ago sitting with you guys in that random warehouse in Cleveland, like we just one of your biggest fans. So love you guys. You're the best. Bye you guys. Thank you. And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. That's right. Thank you to Carissa Thompson and Aaron Andrews. And also make sure subscribe to the new heist channel on YouTube and follow New Heights and the wonder app or ever gets podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of the new heights ad free right now by joining one re plus in the one re app or podcast. I'd be remiss if I didn't give my Jimmy's a shout out shout out to Jared and Steve, baby. Oh yeah, for life, man. Once again, new heights is a wonder show brought to you by KFC. Go down the street. It's right down the street ladies and gentlemen, get you a famous bowl. You just some fried chicken and enjoy a nice meal. 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