The Find Out Podcast

Stormy Daniels Like You've Never Heard Her

69 min
Jan 20, 20264 months ago
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Summary

Stormy Daniels discusses her decade-long legal battles with Donald Trump, including her testimony in his criminal trial, a second alleged bribery attempt in 2024, systematic harassment of her family, and her current efforts to rebuild her career through comedy tours and independent film projects despite being shadow-banned across digital platforms.

Insights
  • Coordinated digital suppression extends beyond social media algorithms to payment processors, credit card companies, and platform access, effectively erasing a public figure's ability to monetize work
  • The cost of truth-telling in high-profile cases can exceed legal victories—Daniels paid $600K+ in judgments while providing testimony that secured 34 felony convictions
  • Collateral damage from targeted individuals extends to family members, employers, and associates, creating a chilling effect on witness cooperation and public testimony
  • Media coverage disparities reveal institutional bias: similar cases receive vastly different coverage and financial outcomes based on plaintiff background and industry stigma
  • Retaliation patterns suggest coordinated rather than organic opposition, including timing of shadow-bans, payment processor cutoffs, and venue cancellations
Trends
Digital deplatforming as a tool for silencing political opponents and witnesses beyond traditional legal mechanismsWeaponization of payment processors and financial infrastructure against disfavored individuals and content creatorsCollateral targeting of family members and associates as indirect punishment for witness testimony or public speechDisparate media treatment of sexual assault allegations based on plaintiff profession and social statusCoordinated harassment campaigns targeting venues, employers, and business partners of targeted individualsShadow-banning at infrastructure level (payment processing, credit card networks) rather than platform levelRetaliation timing synchronized with legal proceedings and media coverageInstitutional bias against adult entertainment industry professionals in legal proceedings and public discourse
Topics
Witness intimidation and retaliation tactics in high-profile criminal casesDigital deplatforming and shadow-banning mechanisms beyond social mediaPayment processor and financial infrastructure weaponizationCollateral damage to family members and associates of targeted individualsMedia coverage disparities in sexual assault casesNon-disclosure agreements and legal silencing mechanismsDefamation law and public figure litigationCoordinated harassment campaigns and their effectsIndependent film production and mainstream entertainment career transitionsComedy as political speech and personal narrativeVeteran mental health advocacy through documentary filmmakingProfessional stigma against adult entertainment industry workersLegal costs and financial burden of testimonyDocumentary filmmaking and platform restrictionsSmall venue comedy touring and audience engagement
Companies
Trump Organization
Central entity in Daniels' allegations; subject of fraud charges related to payment funneling through the organization
Roku
Removed Daniels' content from platform; cited as part of coordinated deplatforming efforts against her
eBay
Removed Daniels' account for selling perfume, cited as example of payment processor and platform restrictions
X (Twitter)
Platform where Daniels claims shadow-banning occurred, limiting visibility of her posts and content
Facebook
Removed pages for venues hosting Daniels' comedy shows after coordinated complaint campaigns
MSNBC
Rachel Maddow's network; only major news outlet to cover Daniels' 2024 bribery allegation story
New York Post
Published Daniels' address during trial testimony, leading to harassment and property damage
CNN
Criticized for lack of coverage of Daniels' allegations and bribery attempt story
CBS
Mentioned as having erased coverage of Daniels' story from their platform
Midas
Michael Cohen's organization; parted ways with Cohen following Epstein files controversy
People
Stormy Daniels
Adult entertainer and political figure; testified in Trump's criminal trial; subject of alleged 2024 bribery attempt
Donald Trump
Former president; defendant in criminal case where Daniels testified; alleged to have attempted second bribery in 2024
Michael Cohen
Trump's former fixer; leaked Daniels story; recently parted ways with Midas amid Epstein files controversy
Rachel Maddow
MSNBC journalist; only major news outlet to cover Daniels' 2024 bribery allegation with special report
Alvin Bragg
Manhattan District Attorney; prosecutor in Trump case where Daniels testified; accused by Cohen of coercion
Letitia James
New York Attorney General; involved in Trump prosecution; accused by Cohen of coercion
E. Jean Carroll
Sexual assault plaintiff against Trump; awarded $83M in civil case; received more coverage than Daniels despite less ...
Judd Apatow
Filmmaker; Daniels discussed Trump allegations with him on set of 'Knocked Up' in 2006
Joe Rogan
Podcast host; Daniels discussed Trump allegations on his show in 2006
Pam Bondi
Trump associate; mentioned as example of Trump abandoning associates after they become liabilities
Quotes
"I am poisoned. To anyone who deals with me in any capacity, and that's the worst. But second to that is correcting false, false information or misconceptions about the person that I hate the most."
Stormy DanielsEarly in episode
"I don't have that luxury. Right. Like I don't want to get too emotional right off the bat here. But, you know, I have friends that have to take a break from from this every now and then. And it's a lot, especially like the people closest to me... There hasn't been a single day, not one day in the last nine years now that I haven't had to deal with this."
Stormy DanielsMid-episode
"My truth cost me $600,000. But then I actually testified with the same information and it was able to find this. Does that make sense to you guys at all? Like, that's how fucked up this is."
Stormy DanielsMid-episode
"I don't think that it was Trump. I don't think it was his or not. I just want it's someone supporting him or MAGA... They blew up my mailbox. They cut to my car. They shot my horse. They poisoned my daughter's pony and ruined my life."
Stormy DanielsLate in episode
"No one should have this much power. And so yeah, it's, I can't take a break because the last, I earlier, right, because, you know, I know I was doing the show. I tried to open my thing and I had so many messages. I honestly got overwhelmed."
Stormy DanielsEarly-mid episode
Full Transcript
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Findout podcast. You've got Tim, Rich, Luke and Chris today. And we have a very, very special guest that actually the timing was perfect. And we told her something that has been in the news that she didn't know. So we talked about it before. But ladies of gentlemen, we have Stormy Daniels with us today. Stormy, it's great to have you. How are you guys doing? We are good. We are good. I know we just kind of we just kind of dropped some news on Stormy. So I've kind of thrown her off a little bit. We were just actually talking about some of the news that was out that that you know Michael Cohen, it has come out this week that you know who is Donald Trump's former fixer and was obviously involved in the case that led to the 34 guilty convictions for Donald Trump that which was part of Stormy's story. The he in 2019 was actually trying to get a pardon. And then recently he was has been asked by Epstein files and he hasn't really answered. And then Midas parted ways with him. I think it was yesterday actually. So I hate to ask you for your reaction to that because you just found out about it. You should have been recording. You had my reaction. I know. I mean, I'm I know I also like to like surprise people and like with the but but yeah. So anyways, he it kind of seems like the the leftist sort of turning on him related to some of this stuff. And he also said the other thing I should mention is that he is was claiming that New York Attorney General Tisch James and Manhattan, Burrow District Attorney Alfred Bragg were coerced him into making those statements that ended up sending him to prison for a fair amount of time. Right. So that's all the stuff that's kind of come out. I guess I see like what statements he's claiming that he specifically was coerced into saying because I had no interactions whatsoever with with Bragg or the Tisha James. I don't know if any of what it he's claiming has it, you know, specifically didn't do with me or not. I'd be really interested. There's a common misconception about me and Cohen that strangely enough, I met him for the very first time like like literally bumped into each other in a hallway. On election night this past year. Like so we had never met. Yeah, one picture of me and together we we were booked on the same TV morning show during the elections while they were doing the tabulations or whatever. And neither one of us knew that we were going to be there. We were both in DC and we walked right into each other. We had been talking on the phone, you know, we had he had reached out to me to be on his television. I mean, nice television, his podcast, me a couple. Yeah. And of course my initial my initial reactions were and by the way, for those who are listening, that was a double middle finger salute. Yeah, I was like, no. And then I guess this was this was during COVID, I think this was February of 2020, 2021, I think. And finally, I was like, you know what? Fuck it, you know, I'm going to say if I can I was going to try to be really mean to what I might make him apologize. I was like, I'm going to make this motherfucker apologize to me for shitting. He didn't know to garden. And we got on and he actually I didn't even have to be that big of a banter. So it's a little disappointing. I've been working up so many years for that. And he was actually and he apologized to me. I didn't even have to prompt him. Oh, he took responsibility and we went on. We had a show and then I guess it was about a year later, ishley. He had me on his show a second time. And it was to read tarot cards, which was a crazy thing. And I was shuffling live. And so that he could see I was a cheating. And I was like, okay, I'm going to pull one card as a message for what you need to put on like what us or whatever. And I wasn't looking at doing this and I pulled it and I showed it to him and he his face went white insurance online. You probably find his podcast or whatever. But it was the honesty card. I'm all things that I could have liked of all. Yeah, I was going to say. So I was like, he's a kind of dude dude. Yeah. But then we, you know, we kind of remained friendly, but I only met him at one time. And but I did notice that he didn't respond the last couple of times I texted him. And so now I wonder if this has anything. Yeah, I think his world is getting kind of rocked at the moment. So for me, I really, I hope I hope I have no knowledge of it all. And obviously, look when we get up. I took like a four day social media break. And this is what it actually was. I think three days ago this started or something. So yeah, I was right in the middle. Yeah. Of it. So it just, you know, just shows like trying to take up mental health. You get, you know, you get, you get screwed. You're damned if you do. You do. I really do have tried to disconnect so many times. And, you know, I don't have that luxury. Right. Like I don't want to get too emotional right off the bat here. But, you know, I have friends that have to take a break from from this every now and then. And it's a lot, especially like the people closest to me, you know, like my daughter's dad and my best friends and my assistant that's where manager and Deweyne that anybody who watched the documentary, you'll know all these names and and paste it, obviously. But they have to take a break. And I realized that I don't have that luxury. There hasn't been a single day, not one day in the last nine years now that I haven't had to deal with this. I mean, yeah, I wasn't on social media the last couple days, but I mean, I was still, I'm still dealing with a fallout trying to get this tour going and it's not like, and I sent Chris over some stuff. I don't know if you guys have a chance to check it out, but no one should have this much power. And so yeah, it's, I can't take a break because the last, I earlier, right, because, you know, I know I was doing the show. I tried to open my thing and I had so many messages. I honestly got overwhelmed. I was like, you know what? I can't even do it with this. I am not allowed to take a break. Yeah. Yeah, I actually, I wanted to let these guys react in real time. So I didn't hand over any other surprises here. I so I think that when people hear Stormy Daniels is coming on this podcast, right? They expect like entertainment. And in this show, we'll be entertaining. But what Stormy has told me about the way that her life was turned upside down by Donald Trump goes so far beyond what the public has heard. And I didn't want to ruin the opportunity for for Stormy to put it in her own words. I mean, it is a powerful and devastating story about the way her whole family has been not just affected, right? But like harassed and hunted down and, and like treated like no, no person should be treated ever. Right. Yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty intense. You know, there's so many missed. I feel like I spend so much of my time just cleaning up in, like inconsistencies and false information and the worst, I mean, the, the worst part about that besides what my family has, has had to deal with, like I am, they're all collateral damage. Like, I am poisoned. To anyone who deals with me in any capacity, and that's the worst. But second to that is correcting false, false information or misconceptions about the person that I hate the most. And that is because when I do my show, yes, it's built as comedy. But I also start my show out by saying, I'm not a comedian. I'm just, you know, I have these crazy stories that are happens to be funny. And a lot of them are, they're really funny stories from strip clubs and just, you know, all these amazing things that I've had a pretty incredible life. And I had that before Voldemort. And it is so frustrating to have to go on stage and I say, like, I'm not a comedian, but both sides are guilty of this. It's not about being on the left or the right or, or a Democrat or a Republican. I'm on the side of truth. And I'm going to ruin part of my comedy show a little bit because I say that and I say, you know, I make a couple jokes about how I think that Trump is the most honest president that we've ever had. And of course, there's lots of booze. But I mean, I'll tell you, I think he's pretty honest. I mean, how long can he squawk up and down about the election being rigged? He just didn't say by who or for who. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's like all these, you know, even man. He said, you know, the Trump was America's Hitler. Right. He wasn't like two years ago, three years ago. He meant that, and he still means that we just didn't realize it because we're not monsters. We didn't think he meant it as a compliment. Right. That's a good point. So there's all this. And so I then I flip it around and I say, but you know, I do the same thing on the other side. I'm on the side of truth. Cause facts matter. And I still the audience don't believe anything. I'm saying either do your own research. I can back up every single thing I've said with multiple pieces of evidence. One of the ones that frustrates me the most is that meme or people go around. And I'm sure you guys have seen a thousand times that, you know, Stormy the only person that either Trump hired the only person qualified for the job that Trump hired or the only person that was paid. And I always make the joke like, okay, first of all, don't give him that credit because he didn't hire me. So we still owe for oh, and that's why I'm a cab driver. But, um, but that's also not true. Like I wasn't hired. So that's don't give him credit. Most of the friends said, you know, oh, Stormy and you know, some of Trump, all Melania was pregnant. That's not true either. It's a tiny thing. But these little greens of it makes an entire thing forced. Right. And I just spend so much time cleaning this up and correcting mistakes on both sides. Things, you know, that I do how much it pains me to have to like defend something that he did or that those, you know, but if it didn't correct, it didn't correct. Right. And that's what I do. Right. So most people I, I didn't want to come forward. I didn't come forward. This was not, this was not a secret. How do you think that Judd Apatow knew that I talked about it on the set of four year old virgin or knocked up or whatever it was? And that's real good. Right. And there are, you know, I think I said, secret to have you not noticed that Trump has not uttered my name since the trial. And no one's notices like it's not that's not even defamation. Like he went outside the courthouse and was squawking about, you know, he said that their star witness and like I said, I'm gonna reiterate nobody trust me. Please look it up. I challenge you. Like that's why I went on the stand. Somebody else didn't. I passed a lot of Tector Test and whether a pro them or against them, I still passed it. Somebody else wouldn't even take one. You know what I mean? Right. So this stuff wasn't, wasn't a secret, you know, and I didn't want to come forward. It, you know, they approached me and if like I said, he hasn't mentioned me at all since the trial. And even when he was outside doing his press conference and he said, you know, oh, their star witness is Michael Cohen. He's a perjurer. He's a disparate attorney. Just Michael Cohen. I mean, trust me, I don't want to be on his radar, but does no one else find that odd? It's not like he went up there and said, you know, you could have said bad things about him. But if he just said one of their witnesses is a porn star or a formal porn star or a stormy Daniels or this, that's not defamation. That's just facts. Right. He didn't, he won't even elude to me. I might exist. No one's notices. No one's asked me what I know that he's say it. Yeah, he will not. He has talked shit on everybody and everyone and every country. But he wanted to be looted and want him to elude to my existence. Right. I mean, he even went after each, each in Carroll after the first trial and did it him being not convicted, but it's bound liable. We have a civil liable for sexual assault. And then he then then he went out and like defamed her and she sued him again and she won more money. Yes. So, but he won't say anything about you. No, it doesn't make it. So for those for those who may not pay attention or whatever they're had, why do you think he won't say it? Why would he talk to you? He knows how much evidence I had. But they wanted to put me on the stand. Yes, none of this stuff came out of court. And so that's what most people will jump to. Well, why was it brought up in court? Well, where's it? Because that's not what the case was about. Right. This was a document's case. It's they call it the Sormignanio's house 20 case. But and they're to this day, I get hate now. Drop the charges. I'm like, I think you know, there are. That wasn't you. It wasn't me. And you know, if you have a problem with something I said on the stands, take it up with the attorneys who asked the questions or the ones who didn't. I'm just gonna write. Right. Because don't get to say, you don't get to say, you don't get to say, wait, wait, wait, I want to say more things. I want to say more things. Like that's not how a court or work. Right. You answer the question. They asked me. And the only reason that I did it. And that was because I was subpoenaed and it cost me everything. But when you're go to court, you know, both sides have their discovery. And don't you think that then before the prosecution even remotely considered allowing me to go on the stand and speak, that they dotted all their eyes and like made sure. Right. You know the thing. Well, to be clear. Right. And the payment part, if I'm if I'm correct to this, the payment part wasn't the problem. It was the way that they funneled money through, I believe the Trump organization. That was the reason why like the frauds brought stuff. So it doesn't. It does have to do with you, but not really. Particularly when you weren't the one telling about it, handle the money. Yeah. But before they allowed me to go on the stand at all, they needed to make that I was telling the truth. So they did. They, I guess, investigated me. And I don't know another word to use it. I guess did they do diligence made sure they're witness with airtight. Whatever words you want to talk about. I'm surprised they didn't know what I had for breakfast that day. Like they were crazy. They, so they, but so they know everything and they have more proof than I have. Proved that I was telling the truth. Yeah. There's text messages and phone records and security camera footage of me at Trump Tower. You realize that I said he tried to say he only met me for 30 seconds on a golf course, but I have, they now know that there's all these other times and there's evidence. I mean, his own secretary testified. And why wasn't his body on the stand? So no one thinks about this stuff. But he completely is not uttered my name again, because I think, I think, because he doesn't want me to bring another definition to it. And because he immediately was afraid of me doing these comedy shows. And yes, I owed him that 600 plus thousand dollars for them throwing my case out. But my, I didn't lose my defamation case. It got dismissed because he was a studying president at the time. Right. So I, my case that didn't get, I didn't lose. They never saw my evidence. Like no one ever saw a judge didn't see it. A jury didn't stand. I never got my day course, which was why it was so important to me to get up on the stand and testify for the prosecution. But you bet your ass before they even let me consider doing that. They made sure that they weren't going to catch me in a lie somewhere out on cross. And they didn't. Like I was so honest that, you know, they straight up were like, do you hate President Trump? And I was like, yep. I mean, I mean, that's fair. Don't we all. Right. Like, no, I'm not starting. Well, he's staring at me. I just told the truth. I'm bored, but they would say like, don't ask me questions. You don't want me to answer to. But going back now that they know what I know, first of all, they doxed me while I was on the stand. During my testimony, they doxed me. So they were trying to still judgment on that $6000 for when my case was dismissed. It is a completely separate thing. It has nothing to do with the case in New York that I testified. These are different worlds apart. They have nothing to do with each other. But it is pretty ironic that my case got dismissed and I had to pay him $600,000 for the same thing that they put me on the stand and got him 34 felony. Realize that it's the same story. It is the same thing. My truth cost me $600,000. But then I actually testified with the same information and it was able to find this. Does that make sense to you guys at all? Like, that's how fucked up this is. I should have been able to read the case and they said no. So I got stuck paying this money. But now he knows what I know. So he hasn't mentioned my name. But he approached me last in July of 2024. Oh. Yes. And Chris, you watched it, right, Chris? Yes. Chris will vouch for this. Approach me again and try to pay me off a second time. I am trying to have another NBA. Why was that not front page? Yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait. I didn't know this. So wait, so what? Who, who did that? Who came to you with that? Trump's attorneys and they were, they put it in writing and I filmed it. I immediately went to, yes, he tried to do the same thing before another election. And he literally just probably was on guilty up. I was thinking my head. I was like, this is Christmas. Game over. And you bet your ass, I wasn't going to wait, you know, until after he was like, you know, like it did last time because that's one of the things that I carry so much guilt on is that I didn't come forward sooner. So in my mind, every girl who was assaulted or mistreated or anything after me, I'm partially, I'm partially to blame for, you know, and the same thing was people come back and say, well, if you'd come forward as soon as that grab them by the pussy tape came out, he wouldn't have gotten elected. I know he would have, but it kills me to hear people say that. So this time, I call stormy. I just don't want to touch the story except for every time I know. I know that a thousand people have said this to you before, but it's worth repeating. No, it's not your fault. Like it is not the fault of someone who's abused that the serial abuser goes on to do it again. It is not my fault. Well, we should have sent them. Well, before he was president, yeah, but his the power differential between the two of you, right, was immense. It always has been. Yeah, nothing to do with him in politics. He has operated his entire life with impunity because he was he was born, you know, with hundreds of millions of dollars at his disposal. And he threw, you know, whether you call it corruption or laziness, got away with the hell of a lot of criminality in this in a state of New York and everywhere else, right? The man did what he did to you because it was part of a pattern that he's done his entire life. And you should you should not blame yourself in any way for his actions. That it is the man runs on cruelty. That's why he does what he does. I gave him way too much credit. You are. You know, I just what they did after this last election is just crazy because they demanded all this information to try to collect judgment. And I don't understand how one woman and I'm not mad at her. Good for her. You know, how E. Jean Carroll was awarded 80 with an 89 million, 80 something million dollars for less of a story, less proof, less whatever that I have that cost me almost 700,000. Like how she got 89 million and I lost over half a million because she, you know, why she won because they she got to tell her story in court. And I wasn't even worth that. I was even worth hearing my story because my story and my evidence is more than she has and they wouldn't even I was even worth hearing. Well, story I want to. But now that he knows, I was saying now that he knew that information, he was desperate to stop from talking. And he knew that I had comedy tours and speaking engagements and and a documentary that came out that, you know, that I wasn't paid for unlike Melania, documentaries in the US. You can't be paid for. Otherwise, it's called a feature film and that's a movie. I digress. I said, again, that I was not going to accept a bride or sign another NDA. I tried to release it to the press and they immediately shadowed bands made blacklist to me. D D D demonetized me in every single way. And Rachel Maddell was the only journalist who would take the story and she sat on it for a couple days. The sunfare she didn't sit on it. She spent a couple days fact checking me up and down as she should. That's what I love about Rachel as they should. Right. I love about her. She tracked the fuck out of me and then she ran the story and no one's she even did a special report on it. I'll not even her night. I sent the link to Chris and she didn't even know about this and this shouldn't have been front page everywhere. He tried to bribe the same porn star before another election. And I got it on video and in writing that they emailed it. And well, stormy look. No one did. So they they ruined my life. And when they said that they wouldn't protect my daughter that I said, well, if I could stuff that I wasn't going to pay that amount of money, but they had my information. So while I was testifying against Trump, his own attorney put my personal information up on the screen in the in the courtroom. His attorney and if you read the court records, they are the court transcripts. They are public people. They are public. Anyone can read them. They're pretty entertaining parts of them. But you see me go, that's my address. Stormy and it says in there, Stormy turns to the judge. I was terribly asking him to turn down the judge. Marching got pissed. But the Germans was too late. There was somebody in the courtroom from the New York Post and within 30 minutes, my address, arrow shots in my house, everything were posted online. They blew up my mailbox. They cut to my car. They shot my horse. They poisoned my daughter's pony and ruined my life. And when I say day, I don't think that it was Trump. I don't think it was his or not. I just want it's someone supporting him or MAGA. I did find out that the rubber bullets that were shot at my horse was press trying to draw me out. But they got the address because the New York Post. Wait, you said that the someone from the press shot your horse. It was press. Yes. How did how did how did you get that information from somebody else in the press who called me and said, Hey, and I happened to be on the phone with my publicist I worked with in the UK at the time on speaker phone. And I'm happy to give you his number if you want to verify is I was talking to him and I was outside my house. I'm on the phone and he was like I was getting some message from another press guy. Everything was exploding at the time. I mean, I was still wearing a bullet. Fasted my own yard. And my friend who works for the press who he said, I didn't make this call. Don't tell me because I don't want to know where you live. He goes, but does your house look like this? Is it off this road? Is it to have this kind of a gate? Did they have is it this colored? You have this kind of car in the driveway. And I was like, yeah. And then my other friend, my publicist, I was like, Hey, these were what? And my horse got shot and you horses make us very loud. I pitched out. It's like a squeal. Yep. Like that. And my friend goes, I didn't get any kind of pay. And I go, I don't that was my horse. My horse just screamed and he can run around the corner with blood dripping off his side. He jumped into my fence because he was spooked and hit my driveway, which is pavement. And obviously he and metal shoes and just and took all the skin off the side. God. No, we had to move the he's okay now. He's okay now. But we have to sell him. I just sell him. Yep. I just saw all my horses. But they and then he shadowed me, which means that within and there are people, there's people going to watch this and say, you know, oh, stormy, you're just your 15 minutes or over, people just don't care anymore. That could be true. People are sick of this. I get it. But I sold out a 525 seat theater before I was shadow bands and a week later, everything I announced sold zero tickets. And the places that I still had books that didn't cancel me got 300 to 400 calls with a single afternoon of death threats and complaints. And there was a show I was doing in a place. I think it's called river. I think it's called Riverside. I Illinois, Riverton River, Illinois. It's Riverton. And it was on Veterans Day last year, let's have 24. And it had been books before the election. So they couldn't stop to get sells. It was already sold out. And it was a very small mom and pop comedy club in the middle of nowhere that does a lot of charity work. And they got all their social media taken away. And because they got 300 mega complaints in a couple of hours that their Facebook pages, and that was promoting child porn. It doesn't. It's a comedy club. And so they took it. They take them down. They got stuff to get down. And then they got all of these death threats and people going to come and complain. And you know what the saddest part about that entire booking was, it was charity. It was Veterans Day. We were giving the proceeds to Veterans. And so like that's how terrible these people do all of that. But that was my last booking of that year because everything after that, nobody bought tickets. But you can't buy tickets to what you couldn't know about. And they shut down. That's something that credit cards won't do business with me anymore. Like to buy my movies, not my adult movies, my mainstream movies. And that my eBay account got taken down because I was selling something harmful. It was perfume. There's still people on eBay selling my perfume. I mean, I sent all this information to Chris because as I'm saying it, as it's coming out in my mouth, I realized how crazy it sounds. No one can say, my own webmaster was like, oh, so your Shadowband on X, go on everything. No, it's not the platforms. This is what I'm the hardest thing to explain. I'm not Shadowband on X or Twitter or whatever. I'm Shadowband on the internet. And my webmaster was like, Stormy, that's not possible. No one's ever done it. And I, everything happens for the first time, the first time. Well, Stormy, can I just... And it's me. I don't know. So for over a year. So I want to just... So I didn't know any of that. I don't think any of us knew that. And so Chris did a good job of catching us by surprise. But what I want to say is there's a couple things you said. And at first of all, it was like, you don't have to believe me. It was one. And I do believe you. Yeah. And let me tell you why. But my point is, my point, yes. And I appreciate you saying that. But my point is there are no lies in your story. And the story is now a decade old. And you have told the truth. The other person involved in it. Well, the other people involved in this have been caught in multiple lies. And so I just want to tell you that I believe you. But the other thing that I wanted to say is you said, I don't know if anybody cares anymore. And I think I, you could certainly say that the four people that you're talking to right now certainly care. And the reason is one, you're a human being and you do not deserve that. And two, people need to hear the destruction that what this guy does on a daily basis and how he treats people. And I don't give a shit if he's won again and like whatever people need to hear it. And we need to continue to scream it. I also think that you ran into society's problem one with women in general. And two, because you are or were an entertainer. And there is clear bias against people who do that. And you know, it seems real funny that there seems to be more bias towards people who are making an honest living compared to the guy who's got 34 felonies and has tens of millions of dollars of lawsuits that he has to pay off because he, you know, he was a, he's an adjudicated rapist. And let's be clear, he is an adjudicated rapist. So it, I mean, I'm not saying that to you, but like I say to the audience, but like what has happened to you is one of the greatest travesties of this administration. And I would put it in the same camp as people who have been ruined by him. Like you are right there at the top. And I'm so glad that you're all in here. And I'm so glad you're being honest because I think that the people who listen to the show support you, but I don't think they have any idea because I didn't know what you are still going through today. Right. You are still getting this today, right? Today, today. And so in full transparency, I was found liable for the judgment because they threw my case out. And I didn't lose the case. And so it was starting out. I was dismissed. So I appealed and I went to as high as you know, the Supreme Court and just kept getting rejected. That's how that amount got to be so high. It was not that that judgment was not due to any ruling or guilty verdict or not. It was simply attorneys fees for just trying to get my story told. And I said I was not going to pay him. It was my slide in the sand that I will go to jail. I will not fill out these forums. It has my daughter's information and my ex-husband's information and my husband's like they did nothing wrong. These are people that I met after this. I refused to fill it out. My attorney was trying to get me to do it because he's like, you'll be held in contemporary court and get arrested. I was like, good. Arrest me. Like I don't care. Like maybe then people will listen. But he's like, we'll just fill out this part of it. And that's when I came back. As I was on as they'll do a protection order for my child, the judge said no. The judge in Florida rejected. What? The judge in Florida rejected. I don't know. I have the paperwork. And that's when I was like that I'm not doing it. And that part is what I went to court to testify in the other trial. That's when they doxed me. That's when he shadowed me. That's when I lost everything. That's when they threatened anyone who hired me. And my friends set up the go funds me. And it didn't make, I said I needed it. It was like, and people don't understand how much they take. Right. And it's wise and stuff out of that. So I just needed to pay him. It was like seven. We'll just around 700,000 for him. And then money to move and get my horses relocated safely. And the vet bills, is my one horse is in the vet for in the hospital for like almost almost two months. And when you keep your horse at your house, obviously that's way cheaper than paying a boarding table. Like, you know, I went from having to pay about $600 a month. Between 600 and a thousand for four horses for my house to more than that per one. So it just messed up everything. And then that being able to work. And then I wasn't able to work before that. Which is how I lost my podcast because I was basically sequestered. I think that's the right word before I testify. Yeah. So I wasn't, you know, I wasn't allowed to do anything because they said, you know, we can't tell you what to do or what not to do. We understand you have to make money. But every time I do something, they file more paperwork and make it more. Right. They tried to stop the documentary. If you're coming out, I had no nothing to do with that. I don't own the documentary. I was at page for the documentary. I did not produce the documentary. They decided to release it. I had no control over that. Of course, I got blame for it. So I almost didn't get to testify because of the documentary. And so I stopped doing all my work before that, thinking as soon as this case is over, I'm going to be able to give out to work. All this stuff. I had no idea that they were going to do this afterwards. So I lost all this money leading up to it. And then I got Shadow Man. And then I got basically canceled. Then I got threat. I mean, I know that this podcast is not about porn. But most people know that Stormy Daniels is a porn star or what? You know, the avianno words are right? The biggest thing I'm the biggest porn star in the world. I was uninvited from avian. Really? I was uninvited from the experts awards. The year before I was sitting in the front row at 17 nominations. And I was supposed to sign. I had as online for three, four hours every year. I scheduled the birth of my daughter around being able to sign for my fans at avian back, you know, 15 years ago. Like I've never missed an avianne except for the ones that they didn't have during COVID. I never turned my back on the adult business. Even those couple of years when I wasn't performing because all the trial stuff or whatever, I still went to the avianno awards. That's 2000. I see 2000. Since 2003, I did not miss a single award show except for the one in 2021 that they didn't have because nobody went. Right. I got goes from industry from everything. So you tell me and I can't say it's alleged. I was told allegedly that those bigger places like that were told if they allow me in the building to sign a K make money, did they would lose their permits. See stormy, the reason why I've I've wanted you on this program for so long is because you are a fighter. You have been through hell multiple times over and over again for a decade. And I think that what you've been through is is extraordinary. And that should help the average person who hasn't been specifically targeted by the president of the United States or a billionaire let alone one person who is both of those things. I think that can help listeners understand that not that they should minimize their problems or anything, but that they can look to you and see that it is possible to still keep going on. Right. One of the things that I want you to understand. And this is something that I say in advocacy around mental health is that it's okay to not be okay. But it's not. And it is. But it's really not because the times I've been asked that my friend and I told them the truth. It is my story is so intense and so crazy that they don't know what to say. And then they never talking to me again or like months go by because it's so crazy. Then I even hear myself saying it like to you guys and it sounds like I'm making it up. That's why I was so adamant Chris to send you all that information because most people don't know that I had 17 falls charges put on my FBI record and was taken by almost taken my Homeland Security. But you know that I sent you the proof. They gloss over it. Most people don't know that when I was arrested in Ohio that it was a setup that they were planning to arrest me two weeks before I got there. And I knew the law better than them and I outsmarted them. And it was a I was arrested but that I sued the city and got the vice-spot disbanded. Most people don't know about that. But they don't know about the whole record of stuff. They don't know that my case was not lost. It was dismissed. They don't know that I paid him that money. If you look online right now it still says I owe Trump hundreds of thousands of dollars because they scrubbed any proof of my judgment. You know I'm saying they didn't know that he tried to pay me off again. They didn't know that my forces were shot. They didn't know that my daughter was kidnapped for 10 days. They didn't know that she lived in a basement for two years. They don't know that at her school they think our mom is dead. One thing I want to add for for listeners for context and the guys. I think you're bad away. That was a joint. Yeah. And I have known Stormi for a few years now. I was a guest on her podcast a years ago and it is it is through this exact kind of conversation that Stormi became a real person to me. For so many people we are all caricatures. The four guys on this podcast have only been big on social media for a year, maybe a year and a half. We're all relatively new to this thing. I think that each of us have gotten a taste of what it feels like to be depersonified of people not thinking that you're real because they see you on a screen. Since I had that first conversation with you and I learned in real time as these guys are right now about everything that you had been through, it has never left me. I remember the way my office looked when I was doing that first recording with you. It is a memorable experience to get to learn about everything that you have been through. I can't say it enough. The fact that you keep fighting is so fucking admirable that I'm at a loss for words. Someone who talks for a living. I'm at a loss for words because of how much respect that I have for you. I imagine that so many listeners to this program are feeling exactly the same way. I don't have an answer right now, but this community is going to do everything we can to help you. I have been less close to the whole story. I would be saying what happened on the headlines and the backstory. If listeners are wondering, well, this seems extreme or this seems maybe far-fetched. I'm not sure what I can believe. Yeah, if anybody is confused as to whether they should believe this or not or whether this sounds like it's part of the Trump approach to solving problems, just look at what he's done with Greenland and the Nobel Peace Prize. Look at what he did with Renee Good and his wife or Renee Good and her wife in Minneapolis. When he wins, he doesn't just win. He has to win and then go completely scorched on the victim, on the person who he's defeated. If you look through that lens, whether it's foreign policy or the economy or his retribution against blue state governors, it's the same thing everywhere. So when I think of it through that lens, I think, yeah, this all actually tracks 100% to what I would expect from him, but it also goes so far and it's so extreme that it begs people to disbelieve. It feels like, well, this is so insane that it maybe there's no way this could be real. That is also something that Trump has done his entire career as a politician. Well, it's story. I want to say something else. I think that the other reason to believe you is that your life has been really hard because you stood up and told the truth. What is the benefit here for you to be lying about any of this? It's complete nonsense. You said your industry has turned your back on you. They've gone after you in every kind of way. From what I could tell, you have more integrity than the entire Trump administration and all of the people that work. No, but I think there's these awful misconceptions about people from your industry and all of these things. A lot of this is just complete bullshit. You got caught up with something that you had nothing. You didn't want any of this. You didn't ask for this. You weren't stocking Donald Trump. I mean, come on. It's just insane about how people continue to go after you for literally telling the truth. I was talking about before. We lost connection for a second about how I think you have more integrity than anybody in the Trump administration. I really believe it. I think that there is unfortunately a stigma in this country, which I know you experienced before the Trump stuff happened, but there is a stigma in this country about adult entertainers and what that means. I think unfortunately, and I'm this why I'm glad we're talking to you. I think there is a stigma that we really need to get over because, look, if that is quote unquote bad, which it's not, then Donald Trump being convicted 34 times for fraud, being an adjudicated rapist. Everyone in New York knows he stiffed contractors working class people left and right. And the fact that they try to come back at you and get you to be quiet again and then send all their goons after you. It's just it's really heartbreaking to hear it because anything I've ever seen or heard about you stormy is you just telling what happened. I haven't seen you trying to grift which that world is very good at. I haven't seen you do any of those things. You have just been telling your truth. And I think it's important that we continue to to give you a platform to talk about that because I think it's mostly guys who look like us, right? I'm not saying Democrats. I just white guys, right? Who are like coming after you and it's absurd. You've done nothing. You did nothing wrong. Nothing. Yeah. And here's something to think about. It's kind of cheeky a little bit but I know I won't tell you the answer. I have been with super hot super famous celebrity. Yep. Do you think out of my very impressive stable of Holly that person that I would look at the information about? I mean, when you put it that way. I know I'm not going to have the other guys. They were all real scary when I was writing my book there. I got a lot of DMs. I want to ask and I know I can't but all men. You can ask. I'm going to tell you no, but let me just say that that was not my he would have been your choice right? Or my 10th choice because some of them are pretty hot. And I dated some really hot celebrities. No, I was not paid by any of them which is another big misconception. That's why a lot of the girls are mad at me like the S-quarts and you know, sex workers were working. Yes, it is. And I have no problem with that. I was a porn star that is not the same as being paid for that. That is, you know, I most of my scenes I did with my husband. We were both paid. So explain that one to me. But if it had been that, then I would have never said anything because that would be a agreed upon transaction agreement. I wasn't hired and I wasn't paid until over a decade later. And I want people to like, you know, if you don't want to just take my word for it, maybe just ask yourself these questions. Like why her? He probably Trump same thing probably has a lot of very impressive ladies in his stables, shall we say? Of course, face to face. But why me? Out of all of them, why did they approach me? And I didn't just make up the story when he decided to prove this in 2016 or 17. You'll find people go all the way back witnesses and evidence all the back to 2016. You know, there's recordings of me talking about it in 2007 on the set of knocked up with Judd Abitow and Das Rogen. There's recordings of me talking about it on the Bubba Lushwin show from 2006. There are video and recordings of me passing a lie detector test in 2011. So I didn't just wake up one day and make this up. And also I wasn't the one talking about it. And I didn't break the contract the NDA the first time because he never signed it. It's not a contract. That's like, you never signed it. I'm going to buy your house. It's mine now. Like a contract has to be signed both by both parties or all parties or whatever. But even to this day, like I'm not trying to make money off of this story. I could I could drop five super hot a list celebrity names right now on you that people won't want to pay me for interviews or pay me push money. And I would have to work again. I just want to be able to work. You know, I was the most award-winning second highest paid director who had just signed a brand new contract for the most lucrative contract and the adult business the week before the story broke. And I lost all of it. So like, why would I have done any of that? You know, if I was if I was going I am smart. And I think even people who hate me will think will tell you that they don't think I'm an idiot. If I was planning for all of this, wouldn't I have like moved someplace safe first made sure that my animals wouldn't have gotten harmed? Like I would have taken some precautions and I wouldn't have released the story. I don't have any of you guys are married or have wives or kids or your wives will tell you that no woman is going to release a story a few weeks after she's had a C-section. No, no, I believe that 100. I mean, I believe it 100%. Also you watch the press meeting and that's why you want that's when you want pressure to interview you when you're leaking out of things that aren't even supposed to be. Yeah, it's incredibly invasive and like it takes a long time to recover from which people don't talk about either. Yeah, but you had you had all of the reasons in the world to not say anything about this. To not cooperate, to not participate. Right. You had every and people in his orbit have done that. Right. There have been people that don't talk. Right. And you so this is like, you know, it pains me and I understand why you feel that way. But it pains me when you were like, I should have spoken up sooner or I should have done this. But like you were signing up for what you've gotten. Like this is nobody should have to go through this. Like nobody. But even people who are watching this interview are going to be like, well, you brought it upon yourself. You shouldn't just kept your mouth shut. I can't keep my mouth shut. They didn't leak the story. Michael Cohen leaked it. It wasn't me. And it also wasn't a secret for years before they decided to make it a secret. Right. You know, and even now, I don't want to talk about that. I just want to work. And when the documentary came out, like I don't know if I said this or I forget because of the technical difficulties or whatever, that it wasn't just me. Like I told you I didn't have another call or job come in. I was host of a TV series. All of us. I haven't heard of Pete from anything. But my husband hasn't either. He's a son of a photographer. So he hasn't got any work in here either. And my ex-husband was fired as well. And yes, and we haven't been together in eight years. It was seven years at the time. He lives in another state had been working out a job that he loved. Got several raises, promotions walked in one day and they fired him. He happened to walk at work at a golf course. We know who likes to golf. And from higher up said, you have to fire him because he gave an interview in the documentary. He has not worked that. So me, my partner, my ex-husband, my daughter's father, my daughter, I can never go to my daughter's school plays, a dancer's diet, anything that she might do because her school thinks her mother is deceased. They have no idea who her mom is. So my daughter's living a lie. She knows who I am. She's, you know, comes to, she's mean though. She comes to my comedy shows and writes me critiques. Well, that's what kids do, right? They usually happen. Hello, no matter what. Hello, Katie Paymer. No, yeah. So no. Well, I think what's important here about this too. It also blows up a Republican narrative that is always out there that like anyone can get ahead in this country. If you just pull yourself up by your bootstraps, what the hell are you supposed to do when there's somebody thumb in their finger on the scale, which does happen to, it happens to people all the time. And and in this particular like the president of the United States is using his power to ruin your life essentially. That's what I believe. I mean, I, I'm probably in trouble. That's what I try to say, but how else could you take Chris? Chris, that's what the evidence suggests for me. Chris, all these evidence and stuff and you read the articles and watch the interviews and stuff. And I mean, how does it appear to you? Like, it, it, I cannot figure out why more people don't know your story. I think that it, it, they don't care. It's like, like you said, it's not like an algorithmic band, right? It is, it is like the cultural consciousness doesn't want to accept that things got this bad. So they're not listening. I guess, I mean, I'm someone who's, who's obviously followed your fingers. We've, we've been in touch for three or four years or so. And I didn't, I didn't even know. It's just doesn't get seen. So I mean, I am the most like, my wife will tell you like the most like obsessed with my phone that there is. And I despise this man with every fiber of my being. I had, like if anybody would know that story, it would be me. And I had no idea. The second, like, I thought you were dropping a bomb shell on us because I had never, like, how the hell did none of this, no one in this group? I think we'll all say we're permanently online. Like, dad, no idea. And like, I'm glad Rachel Maddo did, I mean, she's fantastic, right? And that's great. Then they immediately look what they did to her two days after she ran that story. They cut her like, remember she got, yeah. And it'd be coincidence, but I was the same week she ran my story. Yeah. I just, but like, where, where is CNN? Where, I mean, Fox is a good talk about it, right? But like, or the main, you know, the main media that, you know, like always, always keeps telling us that they are the purveyors of truth. And I don't think we're seeing that anymore. I mean, CBS now is like, they don't know somehow somebody higher up erased it. You know, like, it's hard to find. Not even, you know, Grock, people who tried to fact check me. Well, let's go back. Says I did. Did they, did they, did they offer you a sum of money? Or was it not to that point yet? No, they offered to take off of money from judgment. Oh, so you would have owed last word or done if you had signed some new NDA to basically never speak of him again, essentially, is that what they're asking? That's like saying, you owe me 100 bucks. But if you wash my car, then you just want me to. So, and this was, what were the requirements of the NDA? Just never talk about any of this ever again. I never saw the NDA because I refused to read it. But I sent it to you, didn't I, Chris? Yeah, I said, all in the, the links I sent him were the thing where they said, and I don't want to say the wrong number, but it was like, they were going to take off like 50,000,000 dollars. If I agreed to sign another non disclosure and not discuss Trump in any form, and they were particularly concerned about my standup comedy, which is why that they immediately shut down that entire tour. I, I wasn't joking when I said I didn't make a dollar for a year. I was uninvited from everything that I've ever been doing. Every deal I had in the same goes for my, for Barrett and for my, my ex, like we have, we've gone through all of our savings. Animals have been injured. My house was unsafe. Yeah. But the go fund me stopped too. As soon as it was to the dollar enough to pay him off, it stopped because I got shadow man. Don't tell me that's not calculated. Well, he had money to make his money, but that I didn't have enough money to move my family. I know that you're telling the truth about the, about the offer of the money because that sounds like the cheap ass shit that they do, right? Like it's not like, you know, you would think that $600,000 would be plenty enough, like for them to just like, it's not even a rounding error. His billionaire now, but of course, they went to $50,000, so I know you're telling truth because that's that's like, there's just like this guy doesn't pay contractors. He doesn't pay workers. He treats everybody like shit. And he's going, and he ditches his supporters. The second that they are not useful to him anymore. You can see what he's doing to Pam Bond. He was terrible at his doing all of his dirty work. But because of the Epstein stuff, he's like, well, I don't, I gotta get rid of her because she's going to release the files. And like, it's just, I don't know why people keep hitching their horse, or that what is it, hitching their, whatever that to him wagon to the, which is appropriate. Horse to the wagon. I am not from a farm. I'm not from a farm. Clearly, he's not in a long life. But you know, it's just like, so anyway, so, so, so let's talk about, because I think we're going to have to wrap here in a second. What, talk about this tour, because we don't get shadow bands. So like, I want to make sure people see this. You'll be involved in my test, because I'm so I'm, especially, he told me to shut up, so I'm not shutting up. So I'm going back out to do some more dates, which is scary. And they're smaller venues. They're not my 500s even use. And each venue obviously has its own ticket link and whatever, but if you, we're compiling all the ticket links, if you can go to stormy tv.net, it is a hundred percent safe for work is, I'll probably add the dates to stormydaniel.com too, but that does elude, it doesn't have anything. They're both safe for work, but stormy tv.net is a brand new site that I had to create, because I got kicked all of off the platforms, including Roku, because I wrote, yes, they won't take credit card companies. Yeah. I said, I said, it's crystal transcript from the credit card companies that you, they got a call from higher up, not to do business with me. Tell me who that might be. Not the credit card companies, the credit card processors. So take a least right as to fuck me. They let me build an entire pace. I and do all these, make all these movies, mainstream movies that have won awards. And to tell me now, so, but all the tour dates and ticket links will be found on stormy tv.net. The city, we start March 2nd, the cities that you can get tickets for us. So we got Huntsville, so wedding on Dallas, but the one you get tickets for now is Huntsville, Alabama. I know we're going Tucson, Phoenix, Orange County, California, San Ana, Las Vegas, is going to be a big one. Seattle Tacoma, we're doing the Tacoma Comedy Club. There's Skyline Comedy Club in Alpaltown, Wisconsin, Rivendell Theater in Chicago, Soul Jols and Potstown in Pennsylvania, which is not a great, yes, I'm going to Potstown. I did that one before. We have Nashville. Anyway, all the tour dates are going to be up there. We're going to be adding more at six week tour. Word of mouth is going to really help me out here. The last tour, and I know this is back. This is kind of scary. I was on tour with a couple of other comics. One was lesser known. There's a hundred people, 150 people in the room, and he said, hey, before we go, if you heard about this, are you here, you're not going to hurt my feelings, everybody, are you here to see me or are you here to see Stormy? Everybody was like, hey, and he's like, but how did you find out about her show tonight? Show of hands. Who saw this on Stormy's pages from Stormy's social media, anything, and not a single person raised their hand? He's like, raise your hand if you heard it from my stuff. This guy, everybody raised their hand. He was lesser known far fewer followers, and another 10 or so people saw it on posters in the club bathroom when they were there for whatever. No one saw it from any of my stuff, even though they were all like, well, we follow you, Stormy. I have 1.3 million followers. Entire tour, not one person saw about a ticket from my thing. Go to Stormy TV.net, anybody, if you want to help out, even if you're not in any of the cities, if you want to help me out, anybody who's listening, and you want to repost and reshare it for me, please do. The trick is do not put my name on the title or the headline, the algorithm has figured it out. The good news is there's only one one-blod chick name story, so just leave off Daniel and don't capitalize on me and it tends to be working for right now. So that's a really big deal for me. Yes, I talk about all this stuff, but if there's also people who are very sick of hearing about this, and I'm sick of talking about it, I'm sick of talking, you know, hearing about it as well. My show is Stay Not Comedy. It is crazy stories from strip clubs and porn sets that you wouldn't imagine being a mom. I would say I think my sense between 50 and 60 minutes just depending on how I'm flowing, and I would say 90% of it doesn't have anything to do with politics, but the best part about the show is when you come in, if you buy a ticket to my show and you come in, you get a note card at the door, and you can anonymously write a question, and we pick them up at the end. So we do a live audience Q&A, which is basically live Twitter. I like that. It's fun. Right, and I get asked, the wildest shit guys, like sometimes my answer should seriously be like, you should call a doctor about that smell. They will ask anything, but I get a lot of positive questions there. I get a lot of Trump questions there. So I just save them to the end. And I'm going to preface it again. Don't ask me anything. You don't want to know the answer too. Because I mean, anything from I've gotten like potty training questions about toddlers, like horse training questions, because I have horses, porn, sex positions, like anything you can imagine. And that's what we do for like the last, depends on how big the crowd is. But I try to throw the question and it's I don't see them in advance. They pass them up. I have to ask one question because you are probably the only person that we will ever interview that has actually been in the same room with Donald Trump. What's multiple times? What's up with the hair? You know what? I asked him about that. It's in my book. It was one of the things I asked him because he, if you read my book, which I was writing before any of this, I've happened. He said to me, hey, I have a really inappropriate question to ask you. And I was like, oh God, it's going to be about sex because they want to all the guys when they say that, they want to like something sexual. It was not. This is one of those times where I have to defend Donald Trump. And I was like, oh, goodness, here we go. I had to ask me a question. He asked me about the royalties in the adult business, like the percentages and stuff. And if we have union insurance, I am not kidding. It was a legit, intelligent question that I was happy to answer because it wasn't about my tits. And it was about, he's profited by saying it might be rude because he was asking me how much money I made. But it was a real question. And so then I followed up with, now I have a question and it's very rude. And I said, what's going on with this? And the answer is in my book, but I'm going to tell you anyway, because I don't get, you know, I've not installed my book money, so I don't care about that now. Oh, I completely forgot about that. Oh, God. Oh, my God. I'd like to forget him forever. But you know, he said that he thought that everybody wanted to offer him, like he know he said, and this was a long time ago, obviously, it's a 2000 thanks. Wow. That he knows it looked ridiculous. He has all the money in the world to have the best stylist or hair plugs or whatever. But he thought that it was his character. And he said something and I made the joke back. You're not fucking Samson. Okay. And he, of course, he had no idea of the Samson in July. He had no idea. It's a biblical reference. I understand why he didn't know. But yes, I didn't ask him about his hair. What is it? And he emailed. He said he thought he was powerful. It's just a comb over then. Basically, I guess. Yeah. Okay. Well, imagine Oh, God. Oh, the things you have seen. Oh, podcasts listeners. You got to watch. You got to watch the video. I got to watch this one. Yeah. Because now we are all scarred for, I mean, your scarred. We're all scarred. So you got to see it on YouTube or Spotify, I guess, because that was that was a special that was a special moment. That was one of the things I tell you, I'm still. How many tour and real quick, the other thing, because my husband will kill me if I forget to play it. And so before all this happens, we all know that I wanted to be a writer and director. I hi, a sip of in the double business, but I left the adult business a couple of years ago, to start doing writing and directing mainstream stuff. And I had to deal with Roku and all this other stuff right before I got shot of ads. And we self-funded. I didn't ask for any money. We did this all ourselves. And then I lost the way to monetize it. So the movies are on stormy TV.net as well. These are mainstream movies. They're our kids. And my daughter works on the movie. She's my makeup artist. There's other children with these are not adults. I'm not even in a couple of like most of them. If they're like $2, Seren and Watt. If the best way to support me is dude, he's taking everything from me. He took my privacy, my safety, my family, my security, my savings, my every job I've had. He's taken my horses. All I ever wanted to do was write and direct movies and ride horses. And I've lost all of it. So I do have a movie up called Rack that just came out as a horror movie. These are about an hour long. I have a movie called Decoi, which I sent to Chris. Oh, cool. That's about veterans. The money that was supposed to be the profit from that was supposed to be split to donate. But I haven't recouped it yet because of this whole shadow band thing. But it is about the lack of mental health care for our veterans when they come over. And one of the guys in the movie is my friend from middle school in high school. These are not main act. He was not ever acted. He lost his leg overseas. It's his story. But I wrote it and directed it. I've won. It's won every festival we've entered it in. But nobody knows about it because it's shadow band. So you can go on an IMDB as well and look up the movies called Decoi. Chris, did you watch it? I didn't get the chance yet. It's been busy a few weeks. But it's called Decoi. There's a one column, like I said, wrecked. My comedy stuff is up there. They've all won awards. The best way to support me, I'm not asking for a handout. I want a job. I want to work. Watch my movies. They're like two dollars. They are like mainstream mainstream mainstream. I just want to be able to have my life back. And if he says my name one more time and I can sue him for defamation again, and I have an attorney who's brave enough to take it, I absolutely will. But you know what? I don't even want a million dollars. I want my $700,000 back and the shadow band left it and made me an apology because I've been telling the truth the entire time. And if you don't like me or you don't like my work, you don't want to support it. That's fine. You know what? I don't like Chick-fil-A. I don't eat there because I don't support their business. I don't support them. But I'm all fun. I get shadow banding. Right. Well, sorry. I think the fact that amongst all of this and, you know, obviously financially this has been devastating for you. Even that, you're still trying to raise money and do things for other people as you bet, you're trying to get money to veterans. So I think again, it speaks to your character. And I think we have been very, very happy to have you on the show today. Everybody should absolutely go to stormystormytv.net. We'll put it in, we'll put it online so people can see it too. All the skills, everything is up there as well. If anybody needs a cinematographer or a photographer or an editor, a drone pilot, anything, my husband, he's an award-winning, we just, we want to eat. I think that is more than fair, especially what you, since what you have gone through has been extraordinary, painful. And also important for the country that like you, you are one of the reasons that this guy has ever been held accountable for anything. And that is important, even if he won. And he is where he is now, it is important. And so we are, it's really, sorry. It's really sad to think about how many people have raised, have made money and based large parts of their career in the last few years, off of me, without even every, the South Park episodes, I mean, from Megan the Stine, Kanye West, every late night host that's made a tiny reference or a, nobody would be making those jokes if they, if it wasn't for me, but now they've just, right, like I've never existed. They all owe it to me. So all I want is, hey, a little like, hey, if you watch the movie and you hate it, fine, but people should at least know that it's there. Same thing with ticket to the chat. What are the sets? You know, you don't want to come? Fine. But there are people who I think do, and they don't have the choice. They were taking the right to choose away from people. Right. More ways than one, right? I don't shop at a hobby lobby and are chick-fil-a, but I have the option to, I want to. Right. Right. And that's what everybody should have in being an American means, and everybody should be American. You should, you should have the right to make a living and have a happy life. And so go to stormytv.net, stormytv.net. We'll put it at our sub-stack post about this tomorrow morning as well. But stormy, thank you very much. I did not, I wasn't quite sure how this show was going to go. And I am so glad. Like I actually think this is one of the best ones we've ever done. And I'm so glad that you came on to share your story. And if we could be helpful in the future in any way, you have friends here on the Findout podcast. Thank you so much. I appreciate it really. Sorry about the time I'm talking about it. No, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. And you know what? Not at all. I'm not going to do any of our, our pushing today because I want everybody to go, because I always make this joke about our merch and all this stuff. But I want people to go to stormytv.net instead and check that out. Watch a movie. So thanks everybody. We'll be. Yes. I definitely want to hear what you think about the, because the veterans aspect, I was trying to be very careful and, you know, respectful there. And I think I did a good job. I just, like, if there's any veterans out there who want to message me after they watch it and let me know I'll send them a free shirt or something. Because I'm very, I want to make sure I did it right. I'm, I'm going to check it out as soon as I can. All right. Well, I'll check it out. I'm going to go watch it too. So thank, thank you, Stormy, uh, Stormytv.net. Have a great weekend, everybody. Oh, this is the Tuesday episode. We'll be back on Thursday with another. Oh, actually, are we doing a Thursday episode guys? Are we not? I don't know. I don't think so. Well, we'll see you guys. Have a great day, everybody. Go to StormyTV.net. And we'll talk to you soon. Bye.