Now, it's Red Eye Radio. Gary McNamara and Eric Hurley talk about everything from politics to social issues and news of the day. Whether you're up late or you're just starting your day, welcome to the show from the Relief Factor Studios. This is Red Eye Radio. All across America, we are Red Eye Radio and he is Eric Hurley and I'm Gary McNamara. So, 135 bucks a share, what are they selling? 556 million shares of SpaceX stock. It was interesting, I was reading CNN that was saying it would make it the seventh biggest American company by value and it said, even though it doesn't have close to the income, basically they're burning through cash, by buying this stock, you're basically just putting your trust in Elon Musk, you're not buying the stock based on what you believe the return on the investment will be based on previous earnings. Well, and that's it because, well, and earnings can vary, space travel is extremely difficult. It would be, in terms of the basis on valuation, it would be contracts, what they have in place, what that looks like for the future. Also the risk, could there be a better or different contract that the government makes, that NASA makes and leaves SpaceX out? I don't see that happening but those are questions you have to ask when you're going to put your money down on an investment. IPOs to me have always been a, it's just one of those things where quite often you go in, there's a lot of hoopla, this one certainly has, I mean, SpaceX is Elon Musk's seventh important job. And so it's big. But no, I mean you walk in and there's, it comes with that celebrity that's already known. I think it comes with confidence in the markets if you know about SpaceX and what it's capable of doing, you think about the technology is unbelievable and then you consider the technology that we have adapted in the private sector and I know this is private sector stuff but what space travel has done for technology and innovation in general, right? So the step that is used for that purpose that then translates into, you know, well, fake space travel, Star Trek, years later, the flip phone, pretty much the same thing. But it's, you think about those innovations that might come down the road at the consumer level that then, you know, because I would like to have a rocket to take to work. I'm only two miles away but a rocket to take to work where it lifts off and then lands here, you know, that kind of parallel parking thing Elon Musk has perfected in space travel and drops in our parking lot and then takes me home after the show. If you can think about any kind of technology that we have and how much of it has come from the innovations in space travel and apply that to the consumer level, then long term and that's what it should be. It should always be any investment should be long term is one thing. Getting in on the IPO, I'm going to wait until that knife is done falling or if it's going to fall and then see where like the trend might be because if there is a solid trend at the IPO level, right? And it's not and it's a slow trend on the upward than it shows you there is confidence overall. It's not the hype. You know, I will say that this is the first thing that I thought of. And again, I hate using my age as some type of observational advantage. But I remember the excitement of the moon landing. Oh, sure. And a couple of years later, we're out of it. When you really think about it, it's like, no, we can't be spending this money anymore on this. That's the one thing that I look at as you look at, you know, the technologies and things that can come out of this in the, you know, in the future, we don't know what it is. But if it is, it could be, it could be great. Long long term, but short term, Democrats get into power. That's what I want to spend it on social programs talking about contract change because contract change because the government, it's basically government spending. That's your risk. The risk is, because I've already seen it. And a lot of people were surprised, but it was like, why are we spending money on a space program even with the excitement of landing somebody on the moon? And now the expense and the return, possible return on an investment of sending somebody to Mars. Up next is Red Flare and his new band. Dropping hits every week. Find the new slots. Hey there, I'm Paula Pan. I help people make the smartest money decisions possible. If you don't control your money, it controls you. You're not in control of your finances. You have to look outside of yourself to live the life that you want. You're not in control. You're like, what is it that you actually want? Money should follow the dreams and goals because sometimes we make the dream and goal the money and you've overworked yourself and you've exceeded what you've needed for the actual thing you want. Sometimes we forget, like, what's the actual thing you want? Follow and listen on your favorite platform. You know, you look at that and it's like, my gosh, I mean, it's just, you know, we, the one thing that's lost in this entire thing about, you know, extraterrestrials and everything that we have seen and what was it three weeks ago was like, they're going to tell us tomorrow that the aliens actually do exist and there's somebody who told somebody else that the aliens do exist and they crashed here and then, you know, it's like, I mean, they came all this way at the speed of light and they crashed. Yeah, you know, what, what the world's going to, if they were going that fast, how do they slow down? Right. When you look at the physics of it, and this is the interesting thing, go and go and put space travel in YouTube and listen to physicists talk about space travel and they're like, well, you know, if there are, you know, the one thing that, well, the aliens are actually people that live at the bottom of the ocean and it's like, oh, okay, I'm going to take that and then you forget about the pressure. Yeah. You know, the incredible pressure, you know, we know what happened to the one, the, the, the one submersible when, when, when that imploded and basically it melts the people inside of it. You know, what you need to do to live down there in a society. It's like, this is a kind of argument where people speculate on the unknown and come to absolute conclusions and leave the discussion of science out of it. Well, then they, they use graphics that are basically cartoons to demonstrate what it would be like. But as I've always said, when you start something, any argument or analyzing anything on a false premise, everything after it seems logical, but it's still false based on the false premise. So in this case, when you analyze it and you look at the possibilities of what it would take and Matt Damon will tell you going to Mars is very expensive. Filming a movie there is through the roof. And the problem is, is that people then go to their conclusions and those selling something, trying to sell something, we'll put it out there and say, Hey, look at what life would be like on Mars. Well, I've already seen that Arnold made that movie. So it's not, you know, I don't need to, I don't need the TSA at, you know, to, or space wars or whoever would, they had the TSA, they had the TSA on Mars. Yeah. No, that's, that's what it would be like. Remember, they had to go through all the security checks and all the, yeah. So yeah, don't go in there. There's a bomb in there. Don't take your mask off. My favorite part is how his face contorts. But it's still, but, but it's still, but it's still him. But I guess the point is when you, when you actually look at, when they talk about what it's going to take to go to Mars, that we're going to have to send up unmanned, you know, spacecraft up there to leave the supplies there. Right. Because then they got to turn around and come, you know, come back. Yeah. And, you know, and, and when, when they're talking about the fact of, yeah, but we need to build a society there, whatever, well, you're talking about years. I mean, they think it'll, they think it'll take, you just can't go to, you can't go to Mars, then turn around and come back. Yeah. Right. You've got to wait till the orbit and everything is in the correct way. And so it's going to be a multi-year trip in order to do that. Well, the, the things that you deal with, especially, you know, with, with, with, with radiation, with, with the culture of human beings, when you actually start talking to people and they say, yeah, we'll probably be able to do Mars someday. Is there a return on an, on the investment short term? Right. Any type of return on investment to make money as a stockholder? Probably not. That's why governments do things like space travel because there isn't for any investor, you know, the immediate return. And so, but when you look at it and they go, well, we're probably never going to get out of the solar system. You know, if, if we do anything, it'll be as we do knowledge with Voyager one and Voyager two, that is, you know, Voyager, what one was, what 79, it's still going out there. But it's like, they talk about the radiation that the radiation that you're exposed to. And then to go any, you know, length, you're going to have to, you know, people are going to have to reproduce up there and have babies and the babies become adults because that's how long it's going to take because we're never going to come close to the speed of light. And by that time, everybody will be dead by radiation poisoning anyway, because you won't be able to build a spacecraft that has enough protection from the radiation that you're going to encounter once you get out there. You know, you mentioned the deep ocean and, and this quest to explore more and then have people go down there and it's, you know, in a number of cases, it's, it's ended badly. Then you go to the other extreme and that is those who want to climb Everest, the highest peak, 29,000 and 35 feet cruising altitude for an airliner. And this season in 26, it was almost 850 people that summited a Sherpa was lost and a Sherpa was with their party. It was a, it was a small party, only a few other people and stopped to take a break and then they don't know what happened to them after that, but life was lost. And in the Sherpa community, that's a big deal. The avalanche a few years ago, it's, it is wanted locals to bring about change and the whole thing. The point being is none of this is easy here on earth. Think about then multiplying that times. I don't know how many in an area that we don't know. We've had a number of people that have submitted Everest and come back now, some of them multiple times. One Sherpa holds the, uh, summiting, I think, uh, record. But when you look at that, uh, that again, these, these efforts are massive. And the question is, you know, for an investor, is it really an investment thing? Is it something, I know why Elon wants to do it. I know why any company wants to do it. But the fact is, is that long term, there may be some return short term and, and, and also long term, it's dependent on government contracts to a large extent. And that could change every four years. And that to me, you know, is, is where you have to question that the risk of the investment. And we'll see. We'll see where it goes. I think about it. I always, I joked about it the other day to somebody and they said, uh, they said, you know, what's the return on the investment? And I went, well, probably like if you're a shareholder for the Green Bay Packers, if you know, like Green Bay is owned by actually fans have it, but there are no dividends. And the stock does not appreciate in value. You get no financial return out of it. But people do it. Why? Because they own part of the Green Bay Packers. They want to say that. You know, again, that's that regional culture or, you know, local culture, uh, fan culture, which is I have zero problem with, you know, and, and when you look at, for example, when you look at, you know, uh, and, you know, an NFL regular NFL owner, right? Well, they, they own the team. And even if they only make, because there are some teams that only make, you know, 10, 20 million after everything is paid off, they make 10 or $20 million. I got, well, all that investment, you paid $4 billion. Yeah. But that's not what you're buying. You're buying the fact that five years later it's worth, it's going to be worth, you know, $8 billion. Yeah. And so you can sell it and somebody's going to buy it. But why do you buy a foot? Why do you buy that team? A lot of them buy it. I'd never, by the way, I thought when I was younger, I'd want to own a sports team. I'd never want to own a sports team. I could not be that immersed every day in, in the, in a particular sports. I just couldn't do that. It just, it would drive me crazy. Way too many moving parts. Yeah. I just wouldn't, I wouldn't want to do it. But, and, and so you, you look at it that way too. And, and, but I just, you know, I look at the IPO and I go, okay, fine. It's a free market. It's a free market. People can do what they want. Sure. I don't know what the return on the investment is going to be. And it's going to be interesting to see what the stock is a year from now. A week from now. I was going to say a week from now. Because that initial excitement is, is hype. It's, it's all hype. You know, I mean, look, there's some stuff that you can build into valuation. But that you're going to have to have a long term trend here on what the company is. And also the competence of other stockholders. Because if other stockholders, if all the other stockholders start having zero competence, you'll see it because the price will drop dramatically because there will be a sell-off. And so you can't risk that even if you have the ultimate confidence in the stock, you're going to follow along because you don't want to sit there and wait for it to come back. It's not a Bitcoin move. You know, it's, it's not a casino. And so it will be interesting to see. And also, I guess, you know, on valuation, will there be any kind of integration with any other Elon Musk's properties when it comes to AI or any of that? And SpaceX, I mean, there, there already is, I'm sure to some extent, but that has to extend out to create valuation, to create some kind of revenue source, ultimately, or efficiency with that company to, again, justify the valuation. We are Rod iRadio. Brought to you by FPPF, Fuel PowerMax. Managing time is key. Successful owner operators know that simply running hard is not enough. If it were that easy, anyone could do the job and expect the profits to roll in. There is a trade-off in higher costs, not to mention the increased risk for driving fast. 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You see the Seinfeld story from after the Knicks game the other day? By the way, with him, we're going to be back with more Red Eye Radio. By the way, what happened to your spurs? I don't know. I would just say this. Eat slowly so that you don't choke. Chew thoroughly so you don't choke. But this story came out after the game. Comedian Jerry Seinfeld gave a blunt response to an influencer. Can we call ourselves influencers too? No. I don't think I want to be an influencer. That word is, can we be done with the word influencer? You know, as a father, I'm an influencer over my children. Actually, I mean, I saw the other day that somebody was saying we shouldn't call ourselves Radio Host Podcasters. That we're technically multi-platform content creators. That's just tiring. And influencers. That's exhausting to say. How about just, I'm Gary Hezark. Yeah, exactly. But Seinfeld put out a blunt response to the influencer who asked the comedian to say free Palestine. Telling, you know, and he said, he goes, what's up Seinfeld? What up? Can we get a free Palestine? The streamer now, the influencer streamer asked in a video posted on TikTok as Seinfeld laughed. And he said, come on, come on, give us one free Palestine. Seinfeld responded, it doesn't exist. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Simple response. There you go. Here come the hecklers back to his show. Yep. I guess he had one last week, another heckler that he don't. Yeah. Yeah. And he's Eric Carly and I'm Gary McNamara. Just quickly here, I got to predict him. Okay. Remember a couple of weeks ago when, when I, because I flew two weekends in a row and both weekends in a row, I had to stay in a hotel overnight because my, my flights were canceled or, and or drastically delayed to the point where I didn't trust that they were going to take off. One wasn't going to. And, and it was the first time in flying since really 1974 and tons really over the last 30 years that I've flown. I've flown like crazy over the last 30 years that, that I ever had to stay in a hotel. Right. And it happened two weeks in a row. Right. And, and I had, and I had gone on Twitter and, you know, to American Airlines and because the one was just fascinating and I'll do it very quickly here. We were waiting for our plane. We're in Buffalo waiting for our plane to go to Dallas. It's a, you know, nonstop direct flight. Charlotte was right next to us. The gate was right there as our plane is pulling up and it says, you know, Dallas boarding in 30 minutes. All of a sudden the sign changes to Charlotte. And they say your Dallas flight is down at the other gate where Charlotte was taking off. All the Charlotte people moved because their flight was delayed five hours. They all moved to the Dallas flight. We moved down to where the Charlotte flight is. And they say your flight's now delayed six hours because your plane has maintenance. And it was like, no, our plane's coming in. Their plane had maintenance problems. And the fact that they did that, and I know that American Airlines, I saw that after US Air took over, you could see it at DFW. You'd sit there and you'd be, your flight would be on time. And then all of a sudden you'd see your flight's delayed 45 minutes and you look for the incoming plane. Cause you can now do that all on the app. You can see, you can follow your plane. And I've done that many times. If I have an evening flight, I'll follow my plane from the morning, you know, and then you know, and see where it goes. Right. Well, so you're following the, you know, and you, you're just like, well, wait a minute, that flight was in the air. It's supposed to be here on time. Why are we going to be late? And you go and you check it out on the app and you've got a different flight coming in that's on time, but arrives after you're supposed to take off and you realize they're moving planes around. So they would rather have every plane be, you know, a half hour late than one plane get canceled. They just keep moving all the way down the line and hopefully that they can resolve it. Now, if you're at a hub and you've got so many gates, they can do that. Yeah. Well, there's no extra planes in Buffalo. I mean, there's, I think American Airlines has three gates. That's it in Buffalo. So you know, you know, what's, what's happening. And so I wrote to American Airlines and I went, you know, could you make it less transparent? We're sitting here. Everybody sees what's going on. And then the American Airlines wrote back to me. They said, sorry for the confusion. And one of our listeners said, he's not confused. Well, well, since that time, I can't get American Airlines off my thread. It's constant. All I see is airplane complaints all day. And I don't know how to get it. I don't know. I'm like, what did I create here? Is this, is this the punishment from X because I decided to complain publicly is American Airlines taking it out on me. And I even said later, I said, look, I understand. The problems that they have. I knew they were doing this. It was just so, it was so transparent to your customer. You shouldn't do that. And I had a guy who wrote, wrote to me and said, you know, he did that for years. He said, they screwed up big time. Yeah. And I said, yeah. And I go, I just, you know, that was it. I understand. I, I love flying American Airlines. I understand that so many people that complain, especially people that don't fly a lot. If you're flying somewhere and you get delayed and you've got a vacation plan and you can't get out of the day late. You're ticked off. Yeah. I know now, and I fly so much. And I, if I don't want to fly one weekend, I can fly the next weekend that I'll cancel before if I know it's going to be a bad, if there's going to be a chance of doing it. I'm going in for a day and a half. And if the flights cancel, it blows all my plans. I just, I just cancel because you can cancel right up to the, what is it right up to the end? You know, and I don't care about getting there, but you can't get a refund. I don't care. Give me a credit. I'm going to fly anyway. I don't need the actual cash back. Right. But I created my, I created this nightmare for myself where I can, and it's amazing. And I, and I thought to myself, that's got to be the hardest job out there. I really thought that the hardest job for the longest time when, when my, when my Buffalo bills were in a 17 game or 17 year. Drought from being in the playoffs. I thought that their social media director had the hardest job in the world. Yeah. Because they lost all the time. And so they would throw stuff out. Hey, coming up, we've got bobblehead. We don't care. When damn games, you know, and I'm like, they just get blasted. I'm thinking to myself, they should make that American Airlines. Listen up here. That should be what your AI is. AI should answer all of those because I cannot imagine that the, if there's an actual person doing that each and every day that they don't want to quit after a week. Yeah. Yeah. Because it comes in, you are the, you know, every, and, and then I'm getting other airlines in now too, for some reason, and they're all coming into my thread. I'm like, I want to get the political stuff. How do I get rid of this? I don't know how to get rid of it on my thread. I don't know how to do it. Yeah. I don't know how to, I don't know if you, if I block them or if I block them, if it's like Facebook or whatever, but I just, it's driving me. Do you mean on your feed or the thread from your original? No, no, no, no, I'm not on my thread. I'm sorry. I said thread on my feed. Okay. It keeps coming up in my feed. Yeah. You know, one after, now it's a little bit less. It's actually a simple fix. Is it? No, it is. Delete your account. Yeah, it's real simple. But that has to be the hardest job in the, I would hate that. I mean, it's like every, there's, and I do see some people compliment them. They go, thank you so much. But there's nothing that they can do when they say, you know, please send us your, whatever the number is. Well, and then they get the flight crew involved, you know, and, you know, because the people that get the, I can't believe what is this? Look, this is the flight crew. They're just trying to get you seated comfortably, get everybody seated on time and keep the planes going as the best they can. You know, you're trying to put a 900 pound tote bag into the overhead. It said carry on and you brought a yak. So, you know, let's all calm down about getting there on time. Oh, so I, how much did you weigh? I don't care. How much does the yak weigh? I mean, it's just stupid. It's, you know, because I look at it as I'm going to be in the chair at, you know, 25,000 feet for a couple hours and be halfway across the country. It's pretty good life. Yeah. I mean, that's how, that's how I look at it. And I've flown so much where nothing really phases me even getting the hotel. It was another adventure. Yeah. It was another adventure. I met a young woman, a teacher from the area lives way north though. Yeah. From me, she, I want to make this clear. She could be my daughter. Yeah. She could almost be my granddaughter. Yeah. I made sure she, you know, made sure got her room at my hotel that, that I stay in all the time when I'm there. And we went and had dinner and everything else. And it was actually a really, really great experience. Yeah. You know, just to meet, and I've done that before I've met always met great people. And so it's like, eh, whatever, you know, and I always put, I try to put very rarely do I travel on the day that I have to work. And if I do it's in the morning and I know the flight's coming in, you know, because the flight comes in overnight. Right. But I try to give myself a day. And so I've never missed a day of work yet because of a, you know, of a, of a flight. So I just take it in stride and I just look at it. And this, you know, one, one good thing, you don't sweat the simple things. And when you travel as much as I do, and the airlines have given me the ability to live out of town and be there for my parents over the last 20 years. Yeah. So I can't thank them enough for it. But I do understand that people are traveling. It's like people are going to. Well, we're, we're going on our hunt. We're going on our honeymoon and we're supposed to leave Sunday and they now tell us it's Tuesday. We're going to miss two days of our. It gets frustrating. Yeah. The passenger standpoint, you know, I've been there and it's, you know, and it's, it's quite unfortunate. One time I had to be at an event and the plane here broke and they, you know, so the company that was flying me out flew me to an airport that was, I don't know, six, seven hours away from the event. And then sent a car there basically to pick me up. And then you got to get in the car for six or seven hours and it becomes extremely frustrating. It's happened, you know, a few times for me, but, you know, as you mentioned, it could be something like a wedding. It could be, you know, and some people are traveling to pay their last respects to someone, a family or member or friend or something like that. And, you know, it's, it's important, critical that they get there on time. But there are things within the control of those companies that run it and a lot of things that aren't. And as I suggested, you know, for the people that, you know, are just so furious, all I did was when flight radar 24 comes, you know, you can check that app. Yeah. And you can see how many flights are in the air. And what I do is whenever, you know, I like when I'm flying, you know, to see the plane. And they've got it synced now where your GPS keeps up with the actual plane. What I used to like is when I started first using flight radar 24 a few years ago, that app, which shows you where all the planes are in the country. Right. And you can put in your flight and you can see exactly when you're in the plane where it is, is that the GPS of your phone would be above or behind. So you'd find yourself a half mile in front of your plane or a half mile behind your plane. Like, wow. But when you see how many you use Lantat DFW and you see how many planes are in the air and how many are landing and how many are taking off. And I'm sure it's the same for Atlanta or Chicago or L.A. or. It's insane. It's just, you're just like. I would not look at flight radar 24 with Atlanta. Just don't. Just don't. Unless you're a pilot or air traffic control. Just don't. And again, we need to explain this not for our audience, but, you know, our Laurel audience, but just some, some liberal who might be listening. If you look at flight radar 24, the planes are really not that big. Exactly. It's not proportional at all. It's not proportional to the airport or the country. That's a 747. They're half the size of Kansas. That's no, that's not how it works. These planes are all crashing into each other. It's going on. Right. But I mean, that's when I think about it, because I always look back, one of the shows that really influenced me the most. I don't know why he just really had an impact on me was the history channel was the men who built America. And that's when I came to realize, oh my gosh. And somebody brought this up in the last couple of weeks or somebody that brought it up. I can't remember who it was. But I think we all live, all of us live the quality of life that billionaires had back at that time with the beginning of the industrial revolution. Was it Warren Buffett? He might have said it. Yeah. Yeah. We all live the, our food is better. Now he can say that because he's got $200 billion. But, but our, as I said, except for real estate. Yeah. And maybe the size of your home, your quality of life was the same. Sure. Our quality of life is, is what way better than what billionaires existed. You know, what billionaires had back then, all because of technology, all because of technology, our medical care is better. Our food is better. Our transportation is better. Everything is better. Look at everything you have available to you. Yeah. You know, don't want to cook, tap something on your phone and someone will deliver it in minutes. And so when I look at it and it's like stagecoach a year to get across the country. Yeah, right. And I can sit there and I can go and, you know, I can fly in as I did a couple of weeks ago on a Friday afternoon, see my dad, hang out with my dad, see him a couple of times Saturday and then fly back Saturday afternoon and be back here by seven o'clock. Yeah. I mean, my God, I mean, that's just, and I, when you put things into perspective like that, you're just appreciative. And if something's going to go, something is going to go wrong. Yeah. Something's going to go wrong. If you get in your car, you're going to get in a traffic jam. Right. You drive in Dallas during the day, you're going to get hit. Well, I was thinking something. I was doing some, some research on my family tree. Samuel Birkburnet, founder of the four sixes ranch. He's in the family tree and there's a story about him. He's my, he's my third cousin. And while he was, he died over a hundred years ago, but so there's a point when he's becoming a rancher, you know, and he goes to get the cattle. I think in Kansas, but tells his men. All right. We're going to get off our horses and we're going to walk and they would walk on a regular basis along that route to bring the, those cattle, I think it was from Kansas to Texas. And when they ran out of, they, they got here to Texas, couldn't get them on the market, couldn't sell them, took them back to Kansas. Think about somebody doing that today, not going to happen. We are red eye radio. We'll be right back with more red eye radio. With Eric Carley and Gary McNamara. We are on our radio. He's our crew and I'm Gary McNamara since you were talking about your ancestor cousin. I'm looking at my cousin right now. And since I mentioned hockey earlier, I'm looking at the picture right now. I went to Wikipedia, George McNamara, who won the Stanley Cup in 1914. That was about the time that Samuel Burke Burnett was getting into rancher. Yeah. 1914, not for the Toronto Maple Leafs though. Maple Leafs didn't exist yet. It was a 1940 Toronto blue shirts and he died in 1958. So yeah. I think he was part of the McNamara clan that along with my grandfather came to the United States because of the discrimination of Irish Catholics in the Toronto area. Yeah. My grandfather, that's why he immigrated was they couldn't find a job. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's and I'm looking, I mean, the callers there again, I'm trying to push for reparations, maybe a cool million for me for my suffering and all that. Sure. Correction, it was in the 1800s when Burke Burnett got into ranching. But yeah, in that same era, he died not long after your cousin won the Stanley Cup. He died in 1922. So at a very interesting time back then.
