AirDrop Finally Comes to Android

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We're hosts, I'm Arches. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week we have air drop on Android. That's the news. That's the whole thing. That's all we're going to talk about for the next hour. And then we'll have some time at the end for some hot takes. But first, a quick PSA. If you are watching this on the Friday that this episode drops, number one, we are closing in on 500,000 subscribers in one of our goals on this Waveform podcast channel is to hit that by the end of 2025. If you haven't subscribed yet somehow and you're watching us on the day it drops, do yourself a favor and get subscribed. So you don't miss it. And number two, that also means it's Black Friday. Congrats. You've made it to the biggest holiday shopping day of the year. I heard the subscribing to the podcast was 50% off today. It's a good day as ever to do it. I heard it was 100% off. Oh, damn. We really like those deals. Yeah, three. Yeah, six. You only get $1 million. So this is a steal. Yeah. But Black Friday PSA, we have some tips. Changes are you're looking at a bunch of sales right now. And you have to ask yourself a couple questions. Camel. Camel and Camel. Yeah, pretty much. Is this actually cheaper? Download Camel, Camel, Camel or some price tracker? Because it's probably not. Do you actually need it or do you just want it because it's cheaper? And have you had your eye on something but now you're trying to buy an alternative just because it's on sale? I think we've all gone down that path before. It's never worth it. Well, just yesterday I brought a kettle. What kind of kettle? A tea kettle. I'd be more specific. It was the alternate to the expensive one and it was on sale. Oh, yeah. Have you seen it? Was it actually on sale? No. But it did have good, probably fake reviews. Yeah. That's huge. I feel like every time I've had my eyes on something and then its alternative goes on sale and then I buy that. I then wind up buying the other thing eventually because I was mad at the decision that I made. I'm buying the thing on sale. That is tough. Which is then just more expensive than it was to do it in the first place. Yeah. Just take five minutes before you buy anything today. Yeah, it's probably if you actually need it because of its $5 cheaper and you didn't buy it already. Why are you buying it now? Why are you buying it now? Okay, so let's talk about airdrop on Android because this is finally happened. I never thought this day would come but apparently they'd been working on this for a little bit. Yeah. The update is that last Thursday we got this random email from Google that was like a link to a blog post that was like, hey guys, by the way, we did it. We've made quick share on Android starting with Pixels, Pixel 10, compatible with airdrop. And the quote here is, well you actually asked Google how they did this and they give you a real answer because if you read the blog post it's... They gave him an answer. They gave me an answer. They said a thing that you can read for us because the blog post didn't really say how they did it. They said that they did it? Yeah. Well, okay, so they never actually announced how they did it. However, there is some European Union stuff that ours Technica wrote an article about that is most likely how they did it. So the Digital Markets Act got put into place recently which forced Apple to adopt this new standard called Wi-Fi aware. So the way that Apple has done airdrop in the past is that it has this protocol called Apple Wireless Direct Link which basically uses Bluetooth to find other devices, sets up a little mini-wifi network effectively between you and another iPhone. But it's again, it's a proprietary protocol. The European Union as part of the Digital Markets Act forced Apple to adopt this other standard that Google has actually had since Android 8.0 which is kind of crazy and it forced Apple to actually put a bunch of the airdrop extra little protocol stuff inside of the standard called Wi-Fi aware. So that was sneakily added to iOS 26. Apple obviously did not advertise that they switched over to Wi-Fi aware. Of course not. Obviously. Yeah. And nobody really made a big deal about it. I was reading that Google probably didn't make a big deal about it because Google has also been kind of trying to repeal the Digital Markets Act because of stuff that it is doing to them that they don't like. However, Wi-Fi aware is an open standard. So Google, who has supported Wi-Fi aware for a very long time, basically just updated to the newest version of the standard which includes Apple's little tittle bits and official term. And now you're able to quick share to iPhones. It's kind of weird because it still is called quick share on Android and you can, it's still airdrop on iOS. The other kind of strange thing. So crazy seeing Max in here. Now originally this ours technical piece was speculating that it wasn't going to work on Max, but it does. So now you can effectively airdrop to any Apple device from Pixel 10. The thing that is interesting is right now it is only available on Pixel 10 series. A lot of people were upset about this because they were saying like, oh well, if Google is locking this to Pixel 10s for now, isn't that just as bad as Apple locking it to iPhones? I'm pretty sure what they're doing is they are going to put it in all of Android like they always do. Sorry. Did you just say, how would you airdrop it to the computer that runs the soundboard? Sorry. It's actually hilarious that that worked. So it's on Pixel 10 series right now only. I think the reason that they're doing this is because Google can just drop this out of nowhere. I assume it's the same one. No, I did the, no you, Mark, he's did it. It's the phone. Oh, you, oh, I dropped it. That's my speaker. Sorry. Andrew just pixel dropped me. I'm so sorry. The Mountain Dew Baja Blast high. Oh my God. Okay. Well, I think the reason that they're doing this is because they, you know, own the Pixel 10. They use the Pixel 10. They're not, they want to basically prod it on a wider variety of people, right? So they're like, okay, we control the Pixel 10. We can take in the data logs if it fails for Pixel 10 devices. They don't want to push it to all Android phones because then that's too big of a swath of people. That's my assumption. But I did ask Google when it happened because like you said, we got a random email on Thursday that was just casually like, by the way, guys, you can now, you can now air, air drop. Cool update. And the quote that they gave me because I was like, did you work with Apple on this or did you do it solo? They said, we accomplished this through our own implementation. Our implementation was thoroughly vetted by our own privacy and security teams. And we also engaged a third party security firm to pen test the situation. Wow. Um, so I don't know. People were saying they're going to kill it by the weekend like they did with Beeper. But this seems like it is just a standard that is that they cannot really get around. So yeah, it is. So now it's the update is out. Yeah. If you have a Pixel 10, you can make sure you're fully updated and go in and open any file, anything you want to do sharing with, hit quick share and you will see. You got to switch it to everyone for 10 minutes. Yeah. And you will see a bunch of a bunch of your max on your live demonstration. Oh, yeah, sure. Something with me. Yeah, let me go share. All right. We're doing it live and then quick share. We did it live twice. And it's send. Yeah, we did. And then I got to look for you is David's M3 max David's pda. Oh, let's see. I see Andrews Mac, Marquez's Mac, Wayforms Mac. I'm just going to do David's. Yeah, you can send it to my Mac if you want. All right. Okay. Marquez would like to share a photo, air drop. Saved downloads. Boom. And it's a photo of the sky that I took. And the side of a building that Marquez took. Let me do your phone before. And it's cool because it sends all of the metadata and everything. Yeah, it's very good. It's awesome. Yeah, I don't see your phone for some reason. That's weird. But yeah, I see everybody's told you it. You're in here. Have we tried the other way around? Have you tried sending something to this picture? I don't think you can do that. That's what I want to tell you. No, you can. Rich and I, when this was going on, there's a spent like a solid 20 minutes just sending each other things back and forth. Okay. So I have, I'm air dropping right now. Oh, here I just missed it. There it is. Except David's PDA is sending something to me. It's an image open. It's a Polaroid. It's a film photo. What do you think about that photo, by the way? Right. I think this photo. It's pretty cool. Is it cooler because an iPhone sent it to you? That's a photo of me, my dad carrying me. That is at you. And the baby in the picture. Just kidding. I generated that with anna banan three. Yikes. Nanna banana pro. It's bad. It's bad that it's bad that this is too good. This is so good. It's, it's a problem. Okay. So the misinformation is going to fly everywhere. We knew it was going to happen. Nanna, Nanna, banana pro pro pro. This is part of Gemini. It's their newest image generation tool. If you want to call it that and you can just put your prompt in it. It'll just generate an image and it's, it's like photo realistic images now. Yeah. And they're quite good. Yeah. What I noticed because people started tagging me is if you ask it to generate a YouTube tech reviewer, somewhere around half the time, it makes someone that looks exactly like me. And it looks like it'll say KBHD on the thing. It's like making, it's clearly trained on some sort of YouTube videos and has like a good sense of what this is. It's trained on your YouTube videos. Yeah. There's no denying. Right. And it's Google. So it's like they probably can just decide to do that. But it seems to alternate between me and then like three or four other somewhat like like I was going to say Tyler Stahlmanish looking sometimes Andrew looking sometimes you like they'll look like slightly different characters who've seen in the YouTube universe before. And then you'll ask it again for YouTube reviewer and it's like, Oh, KBHD here it is. Yeah. Which I thought was interesting. This is why they did not flip out when Chachi BT was doing it because they knew they were working on it too. Yeah. And it's just normally though in the in the past we've had to be like, Oh, what is it stealing from tech? Like remember when we first started seeing the little plant that all tech YouTubers using were like, Okay, it's definitely using sort of YouTube stuff. This is just it's just you some of the other ones maybe are a little bit of people, but this is just straight up you. The little profile says MKBHD. Yeah, it just says it. Yeah. Also only gives you 1.8 million subscribers. So this respect you. Yeah. But like this is yeah, this is messed up. There's no other way to say this, right? This is just you. What is the generative part of generative AI again? Also it uses the exact same wallpaper from the iPhone 16 pro that it came with. Oh, yeah. I do. I don't know. It just feels like I thought you were supposed to use a wide swath of data to generate something quote unquote new. Isn't that the argument? And like sure, this is in a new scenario, but it's just Mark as it's yeah, it's generating me in different random various environments with a red camera full logo. A Samsung flip and SM7B, which is wrong about because you use it. It's the ultra voices right? Yeah, come on. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, that's a thing, but Disney's going to sue them into the ground. Disney. Well, I'm waiting for that time. Yeah, I did. I'm going to Disneyland. This is relevant. I promise. Go on. I am going to Disneyland. Thank you. I know it's exciting. Cool. It's not. I've been there once before. Anyway, I'm going in late March just for one day before I do this California photography trip. And what do you bring that up? Oh, yeah. The profile, the photo of our group photo for the people I'm going with, I put a photo of all of us in the Nando banana pro and I said, make us all Mickey Mouse and it just did. So yeah, the copyright is, it's out the window. These companies do not care anymore. I think we're at the point where there is so much of this stuff that companies have just given up because they're like, if we're going to win this race, we have to not care. Yeah. So don't ask for permission. Don't ask for forgiveness. Don't ask for forgiveness. Nobody's going to forgive you. Yeah, I promise you. We will never forgive you. We will never forget. So never mind. I just typed in MKBHT reviewing a horse and hit enter and I just made it. It's your haircut is exactly this is it's not even horse review the ultimate work course. It's no, it's you a horse and an F1 car. It says MKBHT on the camera. It's me. It's my hair. It's the black sweatshirt and it is a horse. It used to be like what things did it get right when most of it is wrong and now it's like what things is it slightly getting wrong and it's not really getting anything wrong. Yeah. Wow. We just steal it now folks. We are just stealing just a couple days later. I think only like two days later and Thropic did release their new bestest model opus 4.5 which is apparently extremely good at software engineering and coding. It probably will not make an image of MKBHT reviewing a iPhone 16 Pro. I don't think I don't think cloud can generate images at all. Wow. Yeah. That's good because there is no utility to generating images besides screen people over. Yeah. I mean sometimes it's fun for the meme. Like when I made that fake polymarket thing for you David that was pretty good right? Are you generated that? Are you generated that? When I was making fake polymarket stuff I was photoshopping it like a real man. No, no. I went to I just googled fake polymarket generator and then I got I got a good result. Oh. So yeah no AI but still fake it. I'm just going to stop. So cloud 4.5 will code really well. Yeah. That's great. That's great. Are people who code? Yes. I've actually seen two versions of this. I've seen it. I've seen two versions. I've seen one version where people who code are using this out of it and like loving it. Yeah. And then I've seen one version where they're like, oh this is kind of just better than me yet. I'm trying to think how we could respond to this as non coders that wouldn't make everyone mad at us. It's kind of in the same way that like when we see a Sora making a video and people go, who are YouTubers cooked? It's like, well, it's not that good yet. And that's probably mostly true about a lot of these tools. It's like, it's a good brainstorming tool. It's a good foundational like base before you actually build more on top of it. Sure. But it's not taking your job yet. But the trajectory is there. If I do say the safest statement possible, it would be I bet you most good coders know how to use it as a tool to help them. But it's not going to replace them. Sure. We talked about last week, Google Antigravity, which is something they launched with Gemini 3, which is just an IDE that you can code in and it can do almost all of it for you. So you just sort of tell it what you want. And then it'll give it will make a checklist. They'll say, these are the things I want to work on. Here's what I did. Do you approve? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And it'll just code you an app. Like I coded Pina Colocata with it. That's sort of my benchmark that I've started using. My friends that are like in the industry and software engineers and stuff, they've basically been using these tools to do all the grunt work. And then what's more important for them now and their current roles is like the system design of it all. So they're like trying to figure out which services plug into what. But the actual like coding the API, you just are like running the units has, you just have like an AI do that. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. And with the acceleration that we're at right now, you know, the Will Smith eating spaghetti video was not that long ago. Dang, wait, it's much better now. Do you know, be like making whole Coca-Cola commercials with it or something? Yeah. It's usually there. Will Smith eating spaghetti. Sorry, this is, I'm doing a Gemini banana. I tried to and it said I, I can help with pictures of people, but I can't depict some public figures. Is there anyone else you'd like to try? And I said MKBHD and then just did it. It just made it. So what, what do I got? Why did just steal my like 21? That's like the purple one. That's such a good burn. It's just like he ain't no public figure. It did Will Smith for me. What? It did Will Smith for me. Wow. So maybe it has literally also said Will Smith 80th. I just didn't let me do it. Wow. Wow. Try that to Will Smith. DJI is possibly getting banned in the United States on December 23rd, unless the US government completes a security audit, which will most likely not happen. Under the FY25 NDAA, the Federal Year 25 National Defense Authorization Act, unless the audit is done, it will, DJI will automatically be added to the FCC's covered list, which would effectively be banned new DJI products from entering the US. New ones. Yes, but they also probably would not be able to sell within the United States either. Gotcha. And so this at first was like, hasn't this happened 20 times, but that was only for drones, right? Sorry. So we try to run a show here and be professional and you guys just usually. I'm not as muted. Yeah, I was muted and I unmuted it so that I thought one of you texted me. I was like, why is this keep happening? Okay. I keep thinking this has happened already, but the differentiator here is this is just all DJI products and previously was just drones, right? Yeah. Okay. So that is kind of like they do sell a lot more stuff now. The Osmo is extremely popular. It's so good. The Osmo 2. So this is like actually, I mean, yeah, people are going to lose good products from this. And you have a question in here. Yeah. So I'm wondering if this includes Hasselblad. I don't think it will, but I think that DJI is terrified of the US government realizing the own Hasselblad. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because don't they do a lot of scientific imaging and glass stuff to like, are they a NASA supplier? I do not know. I don't know. I think it's all over the place. Probably. Probably. But yeah, I'm curious about that. So we'll see, considering it's over the holidays that the government would have to do this audit. I don't think they're going to and they've been talking about banning DJI forever. So I think they're just going to get banned. So there's any hot DJI Black Friday sales. Yeah. Yeah. Goblin. Goblin. Goblin. Goblin. Goblin. Goblin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, that's fun. That's right. They will get the way of Huawei, I guess. Your X2D Mark II is way cooler now because it's contraband as well as a fun because I don't have the one I bought yet. I just have the other. You still have the one you bought? That's December now, apparently. Oh, it's before the 23rd. Really iffy. Really dicey on that one. Yeah. I have a review in it as right now. Okay. Yeah. Okay. They sent me one to check out finally. And also really dang good. You want to talk about how great it is? It's sick. It's so good. It's so good. Yeah. It's truly an incredible and you have the 35 to 100 lens as well. Yeah. Okay. So, the best thing about this is that the Super Bowl is like, yeah. Did I give my hat take on primes yet? Did I say that here? Yeah, you did too many times. Okay. Perfect. This is a great opportunity to run that back. I love that this is a good zoom. I am so happy that this is like the opposite direction of like Hasselblast in the past, which is, you know, fun, very deliberate, one shot out of time. But it really removes like a big fun element of using cameras, which is just in the moment shooting street shoots, random things that happen to you weren't expecting to shoot. And having a zoom and having that camera actually like autofocus well, opens up a whole new possibility of things you can shoot with it. And it's great. For me, the big things are like the UI is so good. It's so fast. It has a terabyte of storage built into the camera. You can just connect it to your computer and transfer all the files really quickly. So good. Yeah. It's pretty incredible camera. It's. How are we not at a point where a terabyte of storage is in literally my remote should have a terabyte of storage built into it? Yeah. What's the hold up here? I'm kind of surprised that more cameras. I mean, that's the funny thing about too about the Hasselblast is it doesn't, it doesn't even shoot video at all. Yeah. So you kind of already know what's the file size you're going to get from whatever people started to shoot with it. So yeah, terabyte is plenty for photos like 36 megapixels per photo though. Yeah. I mean, I'm megabytes. But if it was a camera that's capable of video, then maybe you'd be not as sure. But also just like I've had just like iPads I can buy a terabyte one if I want or I can buy a lesser storage one if I want they should just have an a seven with a terabyte built in or an a seven with four terabytes built in for the guy who wants to just shoot all the videos in to know. And it's fast enough to shoot whatever the highest bit rate 4k video that it shoots. Yeah. So just that should just be a product that exists. Yeah. You're welcome. Very few camera companies are doing this like like in the regular m11 had 64 gigs, which is not that much when you shoot 60 megapixel photos. The m11 p has 256 gigs, which is much better. But basically no manufacturers are doing this. And I don't know if they're just terrified that eventually the internal man will break and they have to like get a replacement or something. I mean, it still has an SD card slot. Yeah. Yeah, I guess they would still to repair it. But I just want to say that Rico GR4 has 53 gigabytes. Oh, that's it. Internal messages. Okay. So I guess everyone's moving over to it because the GR4 is like brand new. So it's 106 does not can and Sony. Yeah. Yeah. We have an idea for a bonus camera episode coming up. Oh, hopefully next month. Okay. But we'll see. All right. Yeah. No spoilers. I'll keep shooting though. In the mean. Yeah. I love the camera. Well, potentially ripped DJI. One last thing. Poor one out. That I wanted to mention real quick. Threads just added the ability to add podcast embeds to your profile. That's true. That's good. This is good for us. It's a very random update. But now if you have a podcast or you just want to, I guess, advertise a podcast that you like. That was my question. You don't have to verify that you're the one that does it. Yeah. You can just do it. Yeah. So you can link a specific episode. You can also link an entire podcast. My one big, down, like big annoyance with this is that you have to pick between Spotify, I heart radio or Apple podcasts. Wait. Like when you click on it or when you add it to your profile. Oh, it's an I'm not an RSS. No. Yes. This is very annoying because podcasts specifically are transferred over RSS. And that is this open, really simple syndication. You don't have to deal with any of this. You should just be able to add the RSS link and then it opens whatever podcast player you use because I use pocketcasts. A lot of our listeners use pocketcasts. I did too. Yeah. And also, you know, Spotify is basically the only multi platform one because literally nobody uses I heart radio. Why don't they even add our heart radio? I have no idea. This is just like the most threads way of implementing this. Like it's open question mark, but not really. And this is not on Instagram, just threads. Just threads. I wish it could be on Instagram. So then all the people who steal our content could at least be like, yeah, put the link in your description so we get some actual views out of it. Yeah. So I don't know. I think it's cool. I think it's cool. So I would really love if you just completed your Fediverse integration, which you have not done or let us do like anything. Like it would be cool to also put a YouTube channel there. Yeah. I would like that. That's true. Yeah. Good point. Yeah. Anyway. Trivia. The edit on this is going to be wild. What do you want us to say, Adam? When I wrote this trivia question or when I wrote my first trivia question, I realized I had written the exact same Black Friday trivia question that I had written last year. So we've officially been doing this so long that I, it all blends together. But I have a new question, a banger, because I am finally looking into and get this retiring the 12 mini. Oh, I've heard this before. And so I was like, guys, Black Friday is coming up. I should be able to get a cheap iPhone. Turns out you can't. All of the iPhone Black Friday deals are frankly pitiful unless you sign up for like a $100 a month for rise in contract. But they weren't always this bad. And in researching this trivia question, I found a Black Friday deal from 1994 for a retailer that doesn't exist anymore for the cheapest iPhone. From a retailer that doesn't exist anymore called CompUSA. That was offering this. Get ready, guys. And Apple Performa 630 CD with a 14 inch color CRT monitor and an HP inkjet printer for how much in 1994 dollars. That's like a lot of things. That's a lot of things. Many things bundled together. And if you know what, I'll be, I'll be kind. If you can give this to me in 1994 dollars or you can give it to me in September 2025 dollars because that's the last, that's the last month we have inflation data for. Do we have to signify which one we're guessing? Yes. Oh. Trying to pull a fast one on me. Maybe. Pixel 10 is on sale right now. $200 off. Oh, and I guess I could finally air the most pixel thing ever on Google phones. I think I think what I saw was from Apple, if you spend like $1,200 on the iPhone 17 pro, they'll give you a $75 gift card after the fact. Nice. Well, normally so it's like it's for our $70 right now. All right. Well, we'll think about this one. Answers will be at the end like usual and we'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Framer. A website should help your business grow not slow it down. If updates to your comm feel harder than they should, Framer is the shortcut you've been looking for. Framer is a website builder that can transform your comm from a mere formality into a tool for growth. They've already helped thousands of businesses from early stage startups to Fortune 500s build better websites faster. Framer is an enterprise grade no code website builder used by teams at companies like Proplexity and Miro to move faster with real time collaboration, a robust CMS with everything you need for great SEO and advanced analytics that include integrated a B testing. 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So this happens every now and then, like, there's a leak or whatever. And we find out that people at meta, I'm trying to choose my words very carefully. Don't care. Allegedly. No, that's the thing is they find out they do care and they're powerless to stop it, to stop the not caring of other people at the company. Ellis people as I said. Long story short, there is a law firm called Motley Rice. They are suing all the big social media companies. I think it's four of them. I forget which four of them. Met as one of them. Tiktok is another. I think it's meta Tiktok Snapchat. One other one. I don't know. The important thing is that as there's doing on behalf of school districts alleging that these products are really addicting for kids. And obviously they are. And the companies knew that they were addicting and decided not to act on that information. So what happened is there's a bunch of filings, a bunch of discovery. I'm not like a legal person and a lot of these documents and pieces of evidence got unsealed. So we got to see a bunch of internal communications and deposition transcripts and other stuff from this court case. That was really illuminating. And before you go read this stuff yourself, just know there's some like unfortunately, some kind of dark stuff in here that we don't really want to talk about on waveform and involves like kids being hurt. It's like not what we're interested in. But there were some really funny quotes by Meta. But I did really, really want to share with a little bit of context. And before I share these quotes, I feel obligated to say that Meta has already responded to this. And Meta said, and I'm going to read the exact Meta spokesperson quote. We strongly disagree with these allegations, which rely on cherry picked quotes and misinformed opinions in an attempt to present a deliberately misleading picture. The full record will show that for over a decade, we have listened to parents, research issues that mattered most, and made real changes to protect teens. Most of this filing was from an investigation in 2020, right? It's an ongoing court case that has been going on for years. Some of these depositions were from as old as 2021. I don't know, I want to say. I don't know when these DMs came out, but they are investigating things that happened in Meta as far back as 2017, I believe. So there's some things that are pretty easy to understand that we, I think we've all heard about before. For example, there was an internal study at Meta called Project Mercury that was Meta higher the company Nielsen that does media research to investigate what the psychological effects of quitting Meta products specifically Facebook were on users. The results were resoundingly people were happier, less anxious, less lonely, lived better lives than they quit Facebook. And Meta just sort of killed the entire project and made sure and hid all the findings. And their reason was like, oh, you know, like there's so much, there's this narrative in the media that Meta products are bad. And so, you know, if you're going to quit Facebook, of course, you're going to feel better because everyone already believes that Meta products are bad, which is a crazy argument to make in my opinion, but you know, it's sort of, I guess, works. Then there were a bunch of stuff that came out of Meta staffer sort of being like this Nielsen study really does show that, you know, people are haulsing. There's an impact on social comparison. Yeah. Unhappy face emoji was the exact, yeah, there's an impact on social comparison. Unhappy face emoji was the thing. Another Meta staffer wrote, this is like the tobacco industry doing research and knowing sigs are bad and then keeping that info to themselves. That is an exact quote. Another user experience researcher wrote, oh my gosh, y'all, IG is a drug. We're basically pushers, which is a crazy thing to write about the company that you work for. Another UX researcher was recommending that Meta release this info to the public and wrote, because our product exploits weaknesses and the human psychology to promote product engagement and time spent, we need to alert people to the effect that the product has on their brain. But we still give it up. But we still did not. It is worth noting that Meta does not study addiction. They only study problematic use. I don't know exactly what that means, but what they did consider problematic use is, I guess, up to someone. I don't know if you remember. So does anyone remember what I don't, I didn't know this code name, but something called Project Daisy where Instagram hid like counts. They, I was one of the accounts selected the beta test that and none of my friends were and I sounded like a crazy person. There's no likes on Instagram anymore. This is really weird. And the goal of that was to try to make teens feel better because teens were sort of being encouraged to compare themselves to others, which is not easy when you're a teenager. And that got killed because it affected engagement and the time spent in the app. And one of the quotes that came out. I can't even, this one is so crazy. One of the quotes that came out was someone on the growth team insisting, and this is an exact quote, it's a social comparison app. Can get used to it. Incredible. Incredible care for your children. Here's, here's another crazy thing that came out as this. And I'm just going to read, this is from Time Magazine. I'm just going to read this exactly as time wrote it. Meta used location data to push notifications to students in what they call school blasts, presumably as part of an attempt to increase youth engagement during the school day. As one employee allegedly put it, one of the things we need to optimize for is sneaking a look at your phone under your desk in the middle of chemistry, smiley face. Just fantastic stuff right here. Time has a great article on it, Reuters has a great article on it. And if you're not okay, that's fine because just know, to me, and I'm going to wrap up this very sad story like this, I feel like there's this narrative that Meta's been pushing that time spent in app is not the most important metric to their business. They've said this sort of roundabout ways that they value other things. And to me, all of these leaks indicate that that does not seem to be the case. That time spent is still the most important way Meta makes money off of their products. Which I, it's the every company is time spent on app because more time spent on app equals more time to sell you things. No, but you think it's a more money? I'm actually going to push back on that narrative a little bit because of how big, and I cannot believe I'm like, I don't want to sound like I'm defending TikTok. But the TikTok shop really does change that for that platform. I can't remember where I read this, but I've read a bunch of different articles about how the TikTok shop is so huge globally that they're able to make money off of that. And they don't, the ads part of TikTok is not as big a part of their business in the same way Meta is structured. Yeah, but if you're on TikTok for longer, you can get more things on the TikTok shop and make more money. I need to find this research. It was really, it was really clear that while they do want you to stay on TikTok for a long time, what they more prioritize is you sending products to your friend, engaging with products and not just being on the app all day. Whereas in this meta thing, we found out like, what time are kids not on the app? Oh, in class, like we should optimize the app to get them on the app in class. Yeah, I guess last thing, I'll push back on that as being one of the main functions of TikTok is when you're kind of done and you hit back to exit the app, it refreshes the feed and tries to hook you on another. Like, yeah, you need to eat. Ultimately, all of that boils down to like they might prioritize this specific way of making money, but in all of those ways, this is probably why meta says we're not our primary goal isn't time spent on app, but it's like they have a primary goal that they put the way that goal gets hit better in every single scenario possible is more time spent on the app. I think it's just logical. Same with YouTube to an extent. Same with everything. Same with this podcast probably. Like more times spent. I mean, I know you want to spend more time with us because we. Like, yeah, we will say conclusively, if you're in class right now, you turn off the podcast. You got plenty of dishes at home. Yeah, chill. Yeah, we'll be there later. Don't search. Dish podcast. Anyway, like I said, meta refutes these claims. They claim they're cherry picked. This is ongoing litigation. This is all alleged. But I thought it was pretty crazy and I wanted to talk about it this week. And I talk about a crazy, more lighthearted article headline I read today. Yeah. Yeah. This is from PC world. And I just thought it this is very short. I thought it was too funny. It says, RAM prices are so out of control stores are selling it at market prices. So basically as a seafood lover, this is crazy. So a store in California called Central Computers and people have also seen something similar like this at micro centers, but they're essentially not pricing RAM at stores right now because of how much the prices are fluctuating. They have to just put up signs that basically say ask a sales associate or just bring it to the counter and find out catch of the day. Yeah, like we ram is seafood right now because of trying to get you a table straight from cute to table is not cheap these days. But this just gave me a good lap. It just says like due to a global shortage of memory chips, RAM and related components have recently seen an increase in 20% to 50%. They're fluctuating daily because of this we can't display fixed prices on certain products at this time. Didn't. Crackling have a wrong. Didn't Wendy's experiment with this? Oh, they did. Didn't Wendy's experiment with dynamic pricing? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I did like peak pricing. Yeah. First they came for our biginators. It is interesting in certain commodities we are like gasoline is like we are okay with market pricing in certain cases, but when it's certain things it seems ridiculous that it's market pricing. Like obviously, if you're also this is like I'm pretty sure there's a small company like Central computers is probably small enough that they don't have a ton of supply and like a very reliable like inventory supply. They probably have to do something like this where if you're best by or whatever and you have a ton of suppliers and you can sort of account for that, you probably aren't doing this ridiculous like market pricing thing and you can eat some of the dips in profit, but yeah it is fascinating. I feel like they could just price it to a certain like price it's a certain amount higher than they buy it for though, right? Couldn't they just do that? It does seem like Central computers is a pre local chain to the Bay Area. Yeah. They don't have scale on their side and they're at the way out of their distributor. Yeah, I bet that's one is like it coming in and with not just like demand, but also potentially tariffs. I'm sure this could be changing literally by how much they pay for it. And also if you everyone loves scalping these days, I don't know why Gary Vee, but like everyone loves to just buy stuff and sell for more expensive because heaven forbid anyone gets a deal. So like if they sell this at a normal price, I'm sure someone will come in by everything and then just go resell it and make the money and decide. I'm sorry, I hate scalping so much. I think it's you brought up a really interesting point, Mark has because like if we're talking about like oysters, you know, something like milk. No, I want to do oysters because oysters are something that have like such a short shelf life. Like you you are eating them intrinsically like within a week or two after they came out of the ground. You can't you can't stock pile oysters, you know, that's something I'm okay with being market price. A baconator, which was clearly made three and a half years ago and stored in some underground culture. I like how you could have used the RAM example. We have it right here. No, RAM gets don't we get a new DDR number like every year or something like that? I would argue that you do our five plus ultra max. Anyone on Twitter, if you know what is made sooner or like what happened? What has what spends longer in storage before being sold? Baconators or sticks of RAM? When do you just freshen up a frozen? Is that alleged? Allegedly. They probably keep it at 33 degrees Fahrenheit. It's not frozen. Not exactly frozen. It's not frozen. It's not frozen. I'm not touching you. Never frozen. Never frozen. That's funny. Yeah. We were thinking we got a fun game coming up in the next segment. So why don't we do like a little teaser? Let's do one of them. Yeah, before we actually get into it. Yeah. So this is our Tech Hot Tanks game. Yeah. Marquez is doing his Tech Hot Tanks video this week. I think it's a lot of fun. It's super fun. We do it like once a year at this point. But Harper and I just collected way too many. Usually do like five or seven Harper and I probably grabbed like 50. So I figured why not bring some over to the pod? Yeah, I like that. Let's let us talk about it and wine for a little bit. And you can enjoy our whining. So it's sold it right? Yeah. So we're going to evaluate these takes and see if they're hot or not and if they're good or not. And if we agree with them and if we agree or not. So you want to do the first one? Which pick one? Pick which one you like the most? Let's go top to bottom. Let's go first. All right. First hot take from Greg Green McFadden. Apple Vision Pro is still the most exciting tech product release in the last five years. Okay. So I would say. I would say. Oh, well, that's what makes it hot is it's very easy to disagree with. But let's go with if you do agree, how would you justify it? Apple Vision Pro is the most exciting. I'll try and justify it semi anecdotally. Yeah. Look at our. It's already the most viewed video on them KBHD channel. That's a fact. Yeah. Which means there's maybe the most it's maybe the most interesting. It has the most interest. I think exciting is the keyword. Exactly. Like I think this is not most successful. This is not most useful. This is not necessarily totally game changing. But in terms of excite on the internet. Okay. It's hard to argue against it. I have a slight counterpoint that we could maybe talk about. Apple M Apple M series chips. Right M one. That is exciting. It is past five years because it came on 20. Yeah, yeah, it came on 20. So I feel like that the M series chips Apple Silicon is the most like it's a lot of all that. It's exciting in there. I mean, it is exciting. It's a lot of super relatives. It's probably their best product. It's probably the most impactful. Yeah. Most improved product. Yeah. It's probably the most powerful product. How many TikTokers are baking M5? M series videos when it came out when the Vision Pro was like the only thing I had done in like broken outside of the text base on TikTok. I don't know. Like I as someone who is like y'all are in our niche right now. I was getting completely throttled by the last in generation of Intel MacBook Pros. And I remember when they announced that that M1 MacBook Pro dude, it was like. Define exciting. It was like every single thing you've ever wanted. Yeah. Cool. I don't think any of us are disagreeing with that. I think. Your point in smaller communities, there are more exciting products. But if you want to go by total like mass, like I'm trying to think of a product that came out in the last five years, that's new that more people know about and know exists. Like our parents all know about VR headsets now. Like all every you probably don't know anyone who's been sentient for the last five years who hasn't heard of that Vision Pro. Or I think even some of the most popular and best products from the last five years aren't quite on that level, which is crazy to say. So I think this might be a valid hot take. I'm trying to think of a more exciting tech product to the masses that actually hit. I think most Gemini right now. Most people that bought a MacBook in the last five years, don't know what chip is inside. Chatchy BT did come out in 2022. Chatchy BT is a tech product. Yeah. Is it exciting to people kind of? Sure. And it's more like controversial. Mother f*** bird buddy. True. Oh. So Gemini says that Chatchy BT is the most exciting new product. That's pretty Gemini said that. That's hilarious. It's really funny. It said that the most exciting hardware product is the steam deck. That's not even a sound. And then you should have said that because it doesn't help your first point by being that wrong the second time. Number three says Apple Silicon. Okay. Number four says Apple Vision Pro. Number five says the maturation of foldable phones. Foldable. Some people. Yeah. Is that that exciting? So it's a summary verdict. Most transformative Chatchy BT. Most fun steam deck. The steam deck? I think might give Apple Vision Pro run for its money. I feel like so many people are getting excited. In total generated excitement for humanity. I think gamers were like so. But that's it. You're keep you. I feel like you guys keep saying like this is so cool. Yeah. This niche right here that goes against everything we're talking about. I would argue outside of the tech bubble like like if you just go up to random people on the street. Yeah. And you said Apple Vision Pro they'd be like, oh that stupid useless thing that nobody has. I have a need to. And you know what? And you say, and what about the steam deck and they'd be like, the like, no, no, no, no, no. A regular person would be like the steam. A regular person plays video games. A regular person does not care about a $4,000 VR. A regular person knows about that headset and is like steam deck. Is that Xbox or PlayStation? I'm pushing back on that. I don't think you. I think you might be able to make a search trend. What? I just did Google search trends. Apple Vision Pro is about three X the search volume. I don't think there's a single metric. Maybe I'm wrong. Although look at this. Look at this. Wow. This actually shows how badly Vision profailed. So when Vision Pro first came out, screenshot this. It was stupidly popular. Mm-hmm. But it died immediately and had no search volume. Well, I think that's the M5 version came out. Oh, no, is that the announcement and release? No, announcement and release. Well, the M5 version didn't even make a register. So they like the search volume for like a week was three X. What steam deck has ever been. However, steam deck has continual interest over time. I think it's much higher than Vision Pro. I take 18 steam decks before I would buy a Vision Pro. I think it's way better of a product. You sound pretty excited. It says, it does say average, steam deck is way more popular than the Pro. That's what it says. Over time. I guess that's one metric. I'm just trying to think. I'm trying to quantify this as total excitement generated for humanity. And like, how many, that's a combination of total exposure and total excitement per person that sees it. By that definition, then I would go chat GBT over the Appal Vigian Pro. Yeah, because it just has hundreds of millions of people. The whole economy is moving on chat GBT right now. I think that's it. That's actually probably the real answer. I want to think of it. I guess I definitely thought more gadget, physical gadget. Exciting doesn't mean by Oxford languages. Causing great enthusiasm and eagerness. In this essay, I will say that Vision Pro causes enthusiasm. But eagerness maybe? Eagerness in a cheaper version. Like there's a, there's, yeah. Yeah. It is definitely interesting. An exciting breakthrough. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely going to be chat GBT. I think it's going to be chat GBT. Chat GBT is probably the correct actual answer. But Greg, that's a good hot take. It's a good hot take. Yeah. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We're going to have one more hot takes after the break. I'm excited. I think we have time for one more trivia question. Before I pass it to my coworker, Adam, I just want to say someone who's posted in the MKBHD subreddit. I feel like Ellis would like this video. And it got zero up votes. I was watching you know. I was watching it. And I did like it. Wow. So thanks. I don't have a Reddit account. So I can't. It's about AI overview. It was about AI overview. And it might have also been about hot talks. It was like two of my interests. All you can eat buffet. That was it. It was an all you can eat buffet. That was not that far. Yeah. I got it. So man, I feel seen. Thank you. Nice. Okay. Sorry. I'm watching right now. The AI overview is it's they searched all you can eat buffet near me. The overview says you can use online search engines like Google. Can you? I guess you can't. All right. So before the podcast before we sat down to record David and I were talking about aluminum OS, which is Google's new project project to bring Android and like desktop computers. Chrome OS. Chrome OS. Thank you. But we're not going to talk about that this week because it's just a rumor. So it's not a rumor. They have a job listing. It's a job listing. Who knows if it'll ever come out like I mean projects it canceled all the time. There's also job listing for the Tesla Roadster. Is it really? Yeah. Got them. Should they have that done by now? That's what I'm saying. You're just now higher. You should be firing people after it's done. Yeah. So I forget why David made a joke at my expense. And I was like, okay, every question on today's trivia will be about aluminum. Aluminium. Aluminium. So this question is about aluminum. That's not it. But nice. 42 electrons. Close. What is the atomic number of aluminum? 42. Can I ask a follow up question? Depends what it is. What is an atomic number? It's how many electrons it has. Protons. Wait a minute. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Protons. Which actually is also the electrons. The electron number. Unless it's an ion. Yeah. Exactly. You knew that. You know, like it's a little number on the little box. Yeah. You know about like the peel out of your head. Okay. You've seen it breaking. Right. All right. Well, we'll think about that one too. We'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Zapier. There's a lot of talk about AI these days and a lot of hype surrounding what it can do and how it can help your business. But talk is cheap. The real value comes from actually using AI to get things done. That's Zapier. Zapier is a way for you to break the hype cycle and put AI to work across your company for real. 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Next up, we can talk about this one from Hey Pollock on Threads, who says, user-defined customization makes everything worse. I pick some of these because they're like, man, I want to agree with you so bad, but I feel like I... I think there are definitely two sides to this camp. There are people who look at whenever Apple allows you to customize your home screen more, everyone's home screen gets uglier. You've noticed that? Yes. Like they all look the same and they look fine. Okay, but they also, the options they give you are horrible. They give you like tinting now, they give you like the ability to put the icons everywhere, they give you widgets, they start to let you do more stuff. And I've seen some of the worst home screens in the history of the iPhone in the last two years. So there's a valid argument for this, but also it gives you the ability to make everything better. It's hard to ever want to take things away from the user, but I also agree that sometimes I'm like, that's yucky. Look, and I don't like it. Be cringe, be free. That's all. Well, look, makes everything worse, it makes everything look worse, absolutely. Yeah. But I would argue that it makes it better. Could you make the R-Tried Liquid Glass? Oh yeah. It's terrible. Oh yeah. You can't use it. That's not user defined. But it's not customization. It's not custom. It's not custom. It's the only thing I like to customize is do you want a glossier? Do you want to like kind of not that glossier? Yeah, you could change like when you do customization, make like the glass where they're all see through and everything. Yeah. You can't even tell what the icons are. That's from Apple. I would say that's user defined. Yeah, I think they're talking about that's like apples. No, I know. I think you're talking about like Android. No. We're talking about like you get to pick. Because you're saying that's basically that apples direction is good. No, it's horrible. Well, that's what I was saying. But the further you stray from a defined aesthetic, the more even worse you can make it. Yeah. If the base is bad and then you let people color on top of already bad. The floor is lower. Yes, exactly. The floor drops out from underneath. Yeah. And like the ceiling gets a little higher because you can make it a little better. Exactly. But like how many times have you looked at someone else's home screen on their phone and been like, ugh. I'm happy. Every time I look at Andrew's phone. I am. Okay. What? Maybe hot take. So like we need. Ago. Stuff. You know, we need stuff to be ugly. You can't appreciate the beauty if you don't know what the other. And also damn. Then why are you hating on LaBoubo's all the time? Is that. I'll go with you. This is why. Okay. I honestly think this is the best one out of everything because it's just like. It is the perfect amount of argument. Like LaBoubo's are not user defined. LaBoubo's were defined as designer. Yeah. Awful taste. But like, okay. Think of. I'm. Think of a crock. Right. A crock is just a blank, horrible looking shoe. Yeah. Right. So like, wow, another ugly shoe, whatever. Yeah. But then you open up user customization to it. Yeah. How many crocs do you think look better after customization or look objectively worse after you customize? Worse. They all look worse. Have you seen the skirt order crocs? But they are personal. A great. And that's exactly what this is. It's user customized and it's personal and that one personal feels better and everyone else will go, we don't talk about. Who cares? I'm a crock. I don't care what you think about my crocs. You can tell everyone on this podcast is formal for function. Because there are so many people create like, it's pretty obvious that all the user to find stuff, even though people make what we subjectively think is ugly, probably works really well for them. And I shouldn't be putting them down. Yeah. But here we are on a podcast saying, just look at the screen one more time. Is that really what you want people to see? You know what else? But they don't see it. You see it. The user customization we need to get rid of car wraps. No. Highly disagree. I don't know, podcast. Highly disagree. Especially because when the cyber truck came out and they all just look like a dumpster refrigerator, you definitely had a higher ceiling from being able to wrap that. I'm seeing the floor of course, the floor of course, no, the floor one down. I admit it. No, I have. I've seen lots of like gray and black and like other regular colored trucks that look better than the stainless steel dumpster that it looks like without the wrap. But how is that different than the iPhone tennis ball phone? Well, like putting a case on your phone, you're saying? No, no, no, no. I remember when they announced the I like customization, they were like, if you love tennis balls so much, you can make your phone stand tennis ball. You can make your own screen tennis ball. It's just like human beings do. Yeah. Well, it's funny because it wasn't if you like, it was if the photo of your dog likes tennis balls so much. Is that what it was? It took the color from a dog with a tennis ball in its mouth and it made the ball yellow, which I kind of like horrible. Pretty hilarious. Great. I think this is a great take because you can probably we can probably all agree that user-defined customization always makes the floor lower. Yes. And sometimes it also makes the ceiling higher, but because the floor always goes lower, you can say, it's just worse. But I'm also happy for the people living in the basement. Yeah, do you agree? Do you want? I don't want to be a ball agree that this is a great take because we kind of agree with it, but would never ever want people to lose customization. I can't publicly end my talks. I will never, like I will pretty funny. Yeah. Especially as like a kid, like an electronic needed to be customizable for me to enjoy using it. Yeah. We're all probably sitting here today because we probably customized two plus to the sun. You know how much they've taken from us? You know how much they've taken from us. I'm sure like at least 40% of the people listening to this podcast right now got yelled at by their dad because they changed the cursor on their own. You see, I'm giving the computer a fire. I'm sure. That's right. Yeah. That arrowglass theme on Windows XP went so hard. Yeah, that's pretty. Okay, that's a good one. Well, we got another one from Threads. Okay. From JDWYT. A lot of these are threads because all the ones on Twitter were just like crypto is not at its full potential. Yeah. I made the mistake of asking people to upvote their favorites, which I thought would make like the hottest takes go to the top. It actually made the coldest takes go to the top because it had the most people agreeing with. Oh, yeah. So you had to kind of dig a little bit in Threads. There was plenty of like just going to read it and then sort by controversial. Exactly. That's the hottest. That's the real way to get it. That's the real way to get it. Okay. So this person on Threads says, I don't get why people are so upset that tech companies no longer ship chargers in the box. You do not need to get a new one with every new product. I still have and use the USB-C charger from my Nexus 6P. What are you all doing with your old chargers? Yeah, agree. 100% agree. Okay. So this is hot. I'm not disagreeing. I'm not disagreeing. That's really hard disagreeing. This is hot because at least to me, charging has gotten way better than the last few years and you need the new charger to take advantage of the company. The companies that are shipping the 100 watt phones give you 100 watt charger. Agreed. They do. Well, not even that. The new iPhones have a new watts. 45. 45 now. Yeah. If you have the old charger, what's that? What you can do? That's actually valid. I think the ones that have changed the most in charging still include the charger. Yeah. And the ones that have changed the least in charging are like, yeah, you can use your old 6P charger and be fine. Actually, that's true. Yeah. Damn. This is one of those ones where I like to send a great. I agree with this. It's one of where a company can make a statement saying this is like for the environment in e-waste, which I agree with. But I also think the alternative motive is it's more money for them. And so like, I want to agree with it without giving them the credit of thinking this is some spinning it. Yeah. Yeah. Like some gift to us. Yeah. I think every new phone should not come with the charger but should have a redeemable code. So if you really need the charger and if you need it enough, you'll go out of your way to order it or go to a store and get it, you should be able to get it for free. And that eliminates all of this debate. If I ran a phone company, that's what I would do. We know Apple would say, they'd say, we'd have to ship the charger in a box to you and you know how much waste that causes. You know how much pollution that creates. But it's for those who need it, you know, Tim Cook. I know you're trying to optimize your palette sizes by shrinking the size of the phone box. But like only 5% of people are going to order that charger. It's going to be great. I love that with the new Apple Watch. They were like, we can add 50% more Apple Watch's per shipment. And it's like, so you're saying that's for the environment, but you're just saying we can sell more app. We can save more money. I think it's kind of interesting that when you buy music gear or a lot of audio gear, they never come with any. Obviously they come with power cables, but there's no. If it has like USB-C power. No, no, no, not even like if you buy like an audio interface, it won't come with mic cables. Or if you buy a microphone, it'll never come with a mic cable. You know what I mean? That's you're like expected to buy that stuff inside. And the reason I say that is because I was thinking about the most mad I've ever gotten unboxing a tech product. And it was when I spent over a thousand dollars on my black magic ultra studio 4K. And it didn't come with a thunderbolt cable. I recently did that. Holy, oh, you bought a black magic ultra studio 4K. So similarly, I was having issues with my Apollo twin with the old Thunderbolt 2 at home. And I finally upgraded and I spent $900 on an Apollo twin with the new Thunderbolt. And I opened it and there was no Thunderbolt cable. That's incredible. And I was like, thank God I have a Thunderbolt cable right now. And the Thunderbolt cables are expensive. It made me so mad. Dude, I say, yeah. But then it's funny. It's like, I've never bought a mic and been like, why no XLR cable. And frankly, I wouldn't trust to include it. I feel, I think that's exactly where the distinction is though, because there are certain products that are expected to work out of the box. And there are certain products where everyone buying them is expected to customize it to their liking in some way. And you let them. Like a microphone. If you're buying a nice expensive XLR microphone, that's the exact type of person who knows which USB, which XLR cable, which. Yeah, they're brands they like. Or in length. Like if I get an SM7B and it comes with a three foot cable, it's like, yeah. There's a 90% chance that cable is now. Well, wait. Do the game. Now I'm going to push back on it. Because since XLR cables have Jack and pin or pin and hole different, like you can daisy chain them together. So. Which is that what you would do if you then needed to buy a longer cable afterwards? Cause like we have daisy chain cables in here. Yeah, but. Yeah. Sure. And if you're getting mad at me about grounding or whatever, then you know that you know that you just. For the question, did the Game Boy color come with come with batteries, like double A batteries? Or is it? Cause a lot of products that you buy that take batteries, which is not that many because most of them are rechargeable now, come with like generic, you know, Amazon brand or whatever. Yeah, that's fine though, cause that's expected to work out of the box. Well, if it didn't come with batteries though in like 1995, that's not bad. I agree that people shouldn't be upset about not getting a charger. But I do think if you're buying a peripheral, a thousand dollar plus peripheral and it doesn't come with a Thunderbolt cable. Yeah, that's different. That's that's. We all have a million chargers, but we don't all have a million Thunderbolt cables. Fair enough. So. Still be maddy, but still be mad at all the companies for pretending my mom has one charger. Jess, my fiance has one. How we have 600 regular people do not just have chargers lying around. Like they take them with them from place to place. But regular people in the US generally because of how carrier systems work upgrade their phone every two years. So in the life cycle, even in an Apple life. Right now, most people will have a USBC charger already. So like you, I would argue regular people have a USBC cable. One counterpoint. Yeah, and that's all you need. I could not find a lightning cable in this office this morning. That's because I threw them all out. Really? Why would we need lightning cables? The track that's. Yeah, that was out too. Also, I mean, a maximum. That's lightning. Yeah. All right. I would say that I agree with it. I'm not sure that it's super hot, but I do agree with it. I think it's fair. Yeah. All right. Another take from Ross Hahn underscore one on threads. We don't need a third camera in phones 90% of the time. Disagree. First of all, I think it's a cop out to say 90%. I think you got it. Own this hot take and be like, we don't need a third camera. But okay. He says we don't need a third camera 90% of the time. Why do you disagree? Because sometimes I need long. Sometimes I need wide. Sometimes I need regular. 90% of the time do you need all three? Yeah. Okay. Mark has commit on your. Yeah, I think I agree with this take on. I. Yeah, Mr. Zoom lens. I would say that 90% is pretty accurate. I was, I also recently by the time you watched this, was working on my, what's on my phone video. And I'm a two phone person on my right pocket. I have my main phone. It's an Android phone. And on my left pocket, I have my secondary phone. It's an iPhone. And for months, I've been trying to make the iPhone air my secondary phone really months. I've been trying to do this. And the two things that always hold the back are the camera and the battery. I can overcome the battery because I'm meaning the other phone. I can't overcome the lack of an ultra wide and a telephoto. I just can't. It's impossible. And the OnePlus 15 on meaning also has a pretty bad camera. So I'm just without good cameras. And it's just too much for me. We're apparently not alone because the reason that they are shifting production away from the iPhone air is because the lack of the second camera is making people not want to buy it. Yeah. I think more than the battery. Wait, I thought you got nine cameras with the iPhone air. You've got the equivalent of 27 focal length. All anecdotally fight back. I was so excited that the Pixel 10, right? The base versions have three cameras now because they haven't. Every time I take a zoom or an ultra wide picture, I hate it. Yeah. I mean, it's bad. It's just so bad. But if you didn't have those cameras, wouldn't you be more mad? I think I would be upset that I don't have them because I wouldn't be able to take the picture and then realize I'm never going to use that for anything or really like every time you zoom. And it's like, dang, this is not that good of a zoom photo. If you didn't have that zoom camera and you zoomed, it would be an even worse zoom photo and it would be more mad. Unless you give me a good zoom lens because you got rid of the third lens. So you just want to just give me two? No, I'm the one. Three. Yeah, I'll, I'll, who needs two? It's saying an ultra wide is just for fun. You know, it's funny. There's like a generation where I think that totally changed. I saw a, I think it was an Instagram Reelbo's probably a TikTok where there's a kid holding his phone and then there's a photographer who's doing like this really high end sports photography. I saw that too. And the kid goes, yo, switch to 0.5 X and the guy is 70 to 200. I mean, no, I can't. What are you talking about? There are. And he's like, man, there's no 0.5. This thing sucks. And he's like, this is, I can't, I can't talk to you. I mean, if he was at 140 mil and he could just switch it, which was 70 and say it was 0.5. Yeah. I like the ultra wide. It is a fun lens. But as far as like the one that I need every day, I need a regular lens just to like quick take a, take a picture. And then I need a good zoom lens so you can see things from far away, even if it's not a good picture just like to to remember, yeah, as a tool, like I need the lens. In my opinion, the 0.5 X is the worst, the most pointless camera. I have two very, I have two specific thoughts. I think anytime I'm trying to take a good photo, I definitely get them out of the zoom way more than the ultra wide. But anytime I'm trying to like functionally like take an ultra wide because I need it for this photo, it's never about the quality of the photo, but I, that's when I need an ultra wide. I can't fake an ultra wide like I can with a zoom. So, yeah, ultra wide is objectively hilarious on the eye. It is bad. I want them to make a point to Cam. Why stop? Yeah. You just put it, just put an Insta360, you know, 360 cam. Yeah, 360 cam. Yeah. So anyway, all right, I think this is a reasonable take. It's not particularly hot. I think we all kind of agree with it. But if they go on all in and said we don't need three cameras, that would be pretty spicy. True. All right. Next take. Dennis on threads says wireless charging is overrated. You still on that? I can't believe we're still talking about this because it's right. No, it's not right. Well, it's charging is incredible. It's awesome. It's overrated is the specific. I don't think anyone underrated. I agree with you. Yeah. I will defend this take. I love losing heat. You'll defend this take. I recently love. I love over here. I'm spending 45 watts to get 27. I love it. I love it. Recently received as part of my employment at this job, a channel, channel sponsor, channel partner, Ridge, portable battery bank. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Because of my phone never leaves my side. In fact, it is, it is, it is glommed on to the side of my phone like a remora. Nice. Good. I'll take it. I just love that your iPhone mini has to live with something twice the size of it all the time. It literally looks like a particle. It's so funny. That being said, now that I'm charging my phone all the time, I have seen how inefficient wireless charging is because I can either choose the wireless charger or the built in lightning cable. Yeah. And I thought I was like, oh, yeah, it's just like a little less efficient in it. Yeah. No, it's like, like I can, it's the difference between, I'm going to get these numbers wrong. The difference between, jeeping up will charge my phone twice, like dead to full on the wireless versus like six or seven times with the lightning cable. Oh, okay. And it's like, now it's got to the point where I actually feel bad when I charge my phone wirelessly like that because I'm like, I'm just, I'm wasting this battery, I'm wasting this lithium, I'm wasting electricity. Yeah. I'll kind of point two things to that. Yes. One, your phone f***ing sucks. Like, why are we comparing it to a phone that dies four times in a single day? Of course, it's not going to be beneficial for that. Yeah. Two, I don't think anyone is wireless charging for efficiency. It just becomes the placeholder on a desk or a nice stand. It is a thing to just rest a phone on and happens to be charging. Yes. And at any point, I can just pick it up or put it down without having to undo a wire that is now hanging on my desk or that's in, falls underneath the bed, falls behind in all my cables. Like, I have one of those mats on my desk at home that has the wireless charger built in. And like, while I'm working at my computer, I just have my phone on it and it just happens to be charging it. Otherwise, it would just be sitting there, right? And yes, I could like, I guess get a cable and do that for bed. No, this is my thing there. This is my other thing. That Ellis didn't say it, but the most, sorry, I'm amped up about this one. I think it comes from like four trivia extravaganza's ago where it was like, what's things you need in a phone and why the charging wasn't on it? And I'm still something about it. But everyone's always like, it just takes one second to plug a phone. It's like, we are in the tech space where literally every single thing we do is to shave milliseconds off of things. I'm sure the person saying you can just plug it in also bought a 5090 so they can play old-school runescape. Like, we are at a level of. I am also the person that said recently that the best product Apple has released in the last five years is, no, standby mode, which is part of Max it, which is, yeah, which is a wireless charging feature. So I get that I'm being a little hypocritical. I mean, but I think overrated is acceptable. I just don't think that many people read it. I think many people, besides the rated people like to hate on it. I overrate the **** out of it, maybe. But I think people rated because when a phone comes out that doesn't have wireless charging, it's like a knock on it. That's actually the thing. I think I'm hypothesizing that this person who is saying wireless charging is overrated does not have or use wireless charging. And I think once you have the convenience of wireless charging and then you get rid of it, then you're like, ah, I actually really like wireless charging. But if you never have wireless charging, you look over at the other side of the fencing and are like, just plug in, bro, it's overrated. That's my hypothesis about this. Yeah. My bedside table, I love when I officially stop doom scrolling and go to sleep before hours after I was meant to. I can just like lean over and drop it and then fall asleep instead of like, where's the wire? It's over here. Well, you need the mag to line up. Yeah, but it's MagSafe. So just slap it. That's why MagSafe is awesome because then you never have the, how did they work? Yeah. It takes me away. When I put this phone on the charger, I go, I mean, that, there is a case, right? That has a, gee, ready? Yeah, it's okay. It's a, it's in your half shakes a little bit. Yes. And then I wake up and it's 50 percent. That is insane. That is old one. That is. If that was the case, then yeah, maybe it's over it. Fair enough. All right. All right. This one might age some of us a little bit. Once CrabDoo on threads says AI is just Silicon Valley's LaBouboo. I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. So weird new sentence that I think are saying in my lessons. AI is just Silicon Valley's LaBouboo. What does it, can someone explain what a LaBouboo is and like, it's the recently little doll? It's, do you know what Popmart is? No. Okay. So Popmart is this company in China that sells toys that are primarily delivered via blind boxes. So you buy a box and it's, oh, it's don't know when it is. Okay. LaBouboo. And it's, it's very big in China. It's very big all over it. I don't think that it's more most popular in Korea. No, it's definitely most popular in China. But there is a K-pop group called Black Pink. They're not, it's their K-pop, right? Yeah. Demon Hunters. Called Black Pink. And Lisa, one of the members of that group, I think, publicly had a LaBouboo which helped kick off the whole thing. But I'm not an expert at any of this stuff. But yeah. So Popmart is a big Chinese toy company. They sell lots of different lines of toys that are primarily delivered via blind boxes. LaBouboo's are the ones that have taken off internationally. Thank you, Ellis, our K-pop correspondent. I can't wait for the comment that's like, it's just so painful hearing these guys try and talk about LaBouboo's. It's, it based on an artist who grew up with Nordic fairy tales and made some fairy tale books that look like LaBouboo's. That's what they're based on. So how does this relate to AI? I was just going to say my only connection that I'm drawing is these are extremely trendy and to be AI is extremely trendy. I'll take it in a different direction. LaBouboo's primarily come in blind boxes. And a blind box is an experience where you put lots of money into something and then you don't know if it's going to pay off. Damn. And by that logic, I would say AI is definitely the LaBouboo of tech. That thing is gambling. I have another parallel that LaBouboo's to those not in that world look pretty silly. And they'll be honest. So does talking to a chatbot to a lot of people who are not in this world. I, I risk my case. You're absolutely right. Yeah. My girlfriend is having trouble doing this like complicated Microsoft Word formatting thing and I was like, do you want to ask my Claude and she shot daggers? Not cloud. Yeah. I think this is a wonderful analogy and encapsulation and perhaps not a hot take at all. Perhaps they would totally reasonable take. All right, I'll do one more camera control is actually very useful. Very useful. It's the most annoying feature Apple has put out in a long time. I use it to open the camera. That is it. That makes it useful. That's exactly what I'm going to say. You can do. You can long press on your screen. You could, but how often do you do that? Well, not now because I have camera. Exactly. So you're saying you use it. I mean, making it. I would prefer this as a touch ID. Hold on. What are button? It would. That'd be a weird place for it. But what are your two long presses on your home screen right now? It's flashlight and Gemini voice mode. Those are also mine too. So it's not camera anymore? We could get rid of the flashlight. Or you could do the pixel twist. Camera control also. Okay. So you use it to open it. The camera is open. But once you've opened it, do you ever use camera control? No. No, then it just slide tone. I did over to the other things. I interrupt things. Yeah. I think it's 0.3x horrible image quality. Yeah. That's what I want. Yeah. Sounds like if it was just a button, you would be okay with it. Not a camera button. Not a capacity. I just wanted to be touch ID. That's all I wanted to be. I think this person made it a great flaming hot take by calling it camera control. But really all we find useful is the ability to open the camera quickly. Once you open it, the rest of the camera control features are kind of annoying, which are just in the way. I think that a lot of smartphone companies have made like a million ways to open your camera faster. Well, so for the longest time, you just double press your power button on like 90%, 97% of Android phones, double press power button would open. There used to be the iPhone has double tap accessibility. Is that still a thing? It still a thing. Okay. It doesn't work for me though. It's kind of so hitty. It doesn't like it. It's kind of finicky. But then there would be Android phones where they would add a specific camera button. That would also be a shutter button. Like Sony phones did this for a little bit. I think an LG phone had a custom like the G5 or something back in the day. So there would be like a hardware button to open the camera, which is cool if you take a lot of pictures. Yeah. Nowadays it's like, I kind of still just double tap my power button on most Android phones. And then on the iPhone, the action button came along a few years ago. And that's what I would map it to. Open my camera. The action button. Yeah. What the heck? There's so many buttons. Yeah. You don't need this button. It's camera control. Right. Action button is one thing. My camera control button is the camera. My two shortcuts on the home screen are two different things. I have my flashlight. So I got all kinds of customization going on. Maybe we're back to the customization. New user is century customization. As a non iPhone user, who's never used camera control, I think we have one piece of evidence from someone who knows quite a bit about iPhones of how useful camera control is. And that is Apple because it seems like they've completely forgotten about camera control. Also true. I even mentioned it a single time in the last time. It's because they just one shot at it right out the gate. It's just, you know, it's the best indicator that's not for a useful. Oppo in the fine X9 Pro. You didn't copy it. Did a perfect clone of camera control on their phone. And nobody talks about it or cares because nobody uses it because it's not that useful. Yeah. Because you can still double tap the camera button or double tap the power button to open the camera. What would it have to do to become useful? Like what would make you be like, okay, now this is cool. Not be annoying is what it sounds like. It would have to have more function. Like granular, not granular. I don't know what the word is. But like when I swipe and it goes from 0x to 2.2x or whatever, that's annoying to me. If I could have more fine control over just, boop, notch me over to 2x, notch me to 4x. If that worked better, yeah, I would be happier and probably use it a little bit more. But I think it's too late to save itself. I think I just use this screen because it's a huge, beautiful screen. Why not use the screen? Yeah. Decent take. Wait, is it? Well, it's hot because it's not. It's hot because it's not agrees with it. Exactly. Yeah. It's hot because no one agrees with it, but it's decent because we actually all use it to open the camera. So it's arguably useful. Yeah. You're just making a regular button on a capacitive, whatever the heck. That's what we really want. Cool. Okay. Well, that was it. Trivia. Trivia. Trivia, dude. I don't want to argue about this, but I saw a really funny hot take on Twitter this weekend. We're talking about nuclear energy and how silly it is that nuclear energy is just a new way to boil water. And the hot take was that it's crazy that humanity essentially one-shot it the best way to generate electricity in the 1700s. And we've just been figuring out slightly better ways to do it since then. Um, guys, trivia. As I open the trivia document. 1700s. Yeah. And the question. Oh, yeah. Dusty engine. Dusty engine. Gabe Newell's been cooking for a long time. True. No one. No, I get a steam. And he bought the cruise ship. I mean, the yacht company. Guys, yeah. In 1994, if you wanted to go to Comp USA and buy an Apple performance 630 CD for the Chinese monitor and an HP HIT printer on a Black Friday deal, how much would all that cost? And you have to let me know if you're giving this in 1994 dollars or September 2025 dollars. I don't have a pen. Does anyone know why September 2025 is the last year there's inflation data available? Because they decided to just pretend it doesn't exist. Pretty interesting, huh? Wait, September 2025? September 2025. Right before October 2025. I'm pretty sure the website's not updated well enough. Oh, because they never shut down. Probably because. That was probably. I was trying to be cheeky and infer. Well, freedom. Wait, I never said, I guess we're doing delta because I never said right rules. Did anyone think we were doing prices right rules just in the interest of fairness? I think I'd not even when we're doing prices right, I go delta anyways, because I want to be dead on. We're doing delta. It's going to be a slightly complicated math, but someone read me an answer. I wrote 25 25 20 25 dollars, September and you wrote three thousand. And you wrote three thousand. Okay, cool. In 1994 dollars, 700. And I put in 1994 dollars, two hundred and ninety four dollars. And the winner is Andrew Manganelli by about a hundred dollars off from David. It was two thousand dollars in 1994 dollars. You were 1300 off. Oh, and it was, wait, it was 30, excuse me, 4,340 dollars in today money, which was 1400 and 30 off for you. Yeah, you be David. What's the inflation on the delta? Yeah, that's it. I mean, you shouldn't have to do that. I should get the point. But the smarter move was to guess the 1994 price because the money smaller, smaller delta move away from it. That's our my head. Well, good strat, good strat, good strat. Quick update on the score mark. Heads with 10. Andrew with 12 after that correct point. Nice. David with nine. I'm catching up and embarrassing. I got past. Oh, you can tell he ashamed somewhere to happen to those points. All right. Aluminum. What's the atomic number? Go. Just visualize the periodic table. Where do you think it is? Aluminum. Aluminum. Aluminum. The periodic table is an alphabetical order, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why it's periodic. Yeah. Do you guys want to hear a fun waveform fact? Sure. It's just closest delta. Is this closest? Sure. Yeah. What? Did you know that the waveform podcast has 0.8 mics per host? Right. Wow. That's pretty fun. That is pretty fun. All right. Slip and Ben Reed. What do we got? We're all exactly even from each other. My goal is to not name a number. That's not on the periodic table. So we are actually periodic. Yeah. Because I put 12. Okay. I put 16. Uh-huh. Mine's not periodic. No, we are. No, we're not. No, we're not. No, we're not. No, we're not. Because we're periodic with a delta of 4 between us. Oh, 20. 20? Yeah. The correct answer is 13. So the closest is David. David gets the point. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Happy Thanksgiving. Oh, that happened already. Already happened. If you're in America. Leave it in. Wait, if I'm just pretty spied on Malena and Elisurvin, the Department of Boxing Media for Pakistan Work and泉 Outro Music is created by Vain So. Bingo! [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ If you don't like and subscribe, I'll never get back to the producer's table. Do it. In today's fast-changing digital world, proving your company is trustworthy isn't just important for growth. It's essential. That's why Vanta is here. 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