Julian Edelman & Cooper Kupp on Super Bowl 60, NFL Beauty Pageants, and Burger Flipping OCs | EP 178

You know how they do best in show for like dogs where they like trot them out? They do it for like horses too. Oh, s***. Are you all right, Tripp? We're good. You good? F***. F***. Taylor's gonna kill me. Welcome back to New Heist, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. of all ages. This is a Wondry show and it is brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax. How about it? Don't forget to pay your taxes. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. This is my brother Jason Kelce out of Cleveland, Ohio. University of Cincinnati alum. Shout out to those Bearcats. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondry Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and make sure you follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S. We got a lot of fun clips throughout the week and especially coming up to Super Bowl weekend. We're going to have some good shit. Jason right now is going to tell you about all the wonderful shit that we have coming up on this episode specifically. That's right. 92 percenters. We've got another great episode. It's Super Bowl week. We'll preview the big game and we've got two incredible guests to help us do it. That's right. Cooper Cupp and Julie Edelman are on the show right now today. And we're going to let them kind of tell us what they think as well as what's to come for Super Bowl 60. But before we get into that, let's get into some of that new news. New news. New News is brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups. And the newest news of New News is that the Eagles have finally hired an offensive coordinator, Sean Mannion. How about it? For those of you that are unaware, Sean Mannion's past and what he is, is I guess what his lineage is. He has been in the McVay tree pretty much his entire career. He was with the Rams briefly under Jeff Fisher. But for the most part, he has been with Sean McVay in the Rams. He's been with Kevin O'Connell in the Vikings. And he is, more importantly, only been coaching for two years under the Matt LaFleur tree in Green Bay. So he is very well versed in that specific coaching tree. What does that tell me? That system, that tells me the Eagles offense is going to look drastically different. That's a signal that the Eagles are going to try and move into where a lot of the NFL is going, which is a lot of the run, play, action, motion offenses that are really spreading across the league because they've been very successful. A lot of this stuff is rooted in the Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak lineages back in the 90s, Denver Broncos era, Terrell Davis, John Elway, and rooted in outside zone, boot. These offenses are doing more duo. Don't forget how well that tight end can thrive in these offense with little Shannon Sharp, man. Well, you're right. Uncle's a part of those Broncos years. This is a signal that the Eagles are going to change drastically and probably change in a way that a lot of Eagles fans want them to do. There's been a lot of noise throughout the year about, you know, stagnant offenses, limited route receiver, route trees. You know, a lot of things that Monday morning quarterbacks have been showing clips of and getting Eagles fans fired up about. Eagles fans have been voicing their displeasure of what the offense looked like. This is a clear sign that that is going to be drastically different next year. I'm excited to see what this looks like. Jalen's under center a lot more in this type of offense and what that does for Saquon, what that does for Jalen in terms of run fakes and things like that. obviously like he's always been a kind of in the gun kind of quarterback but I think there's it there's something about what this offense this style of offense does to to help a quarterback if he just dives in and and and accept it now don't get me wrong it's Jalen Hurts they're going to do stuff out of the gun because that's where he's comfortable and they're going to they're going to kind of mold this thing around him because he's the one he's the signal caller but at the same time I'm interested to see you know how they're going to be using these big offensive linemen in the outside zone and all the different variations of it. It's going to be fun to see how it all kind of unfolds. Yeah, I think you bring up a good point about it molding around Jalen Hurts. I think it'll be interesting to see how much this offense for the Eagles next year does look like a lot of these other McVay, Shanahan, Tree coaches and what he did in Green Bay with LeFleur versus what the Eagles have had success with with Jalen Hurts and the skill set that he has. when they had Malik Willis playing this year, they did a lot more of gun runs and zone reads and things like that. Jordan Love will do that stuff as well. The one thing I really like about Sean Mann is that he has familiarity a little bit in that stuff as well, especially as a quarterback coach. He understands, you know, how do we utilize the strengths of the signal caller? You saw Jordan Love develop when he got to Green Bay and become a better player. So there's a lot of things that I like out of what appears to be Sean Mannion's, not just his past experiences and players he's coached, but also how those players have developed and gotten better. I also like that he's a fast riser, right? Two years and all of a sudden he's an offensive coordinator. That tells me that there's a lot of other coaches that are speaking very highly of this guy, right? Yep. You don't get an opportunity like this without a lot of people vouching for you this early. I'm excited to see what this thing looks like. I really am. People in Philadelphia are getting what they asked for. They're going to get a completely different version of this highly skilled and highly powerful offense, as well as everyone's coming back healthy. So it's definitely going to be something that is going to be fun to watch. No doubt. There is still the question mark. I mean, the big thing everybody's talking about, he's never called plays, right? That's the big negative. And most of the really good play callers that are doing a great job currently in the NFL already have jobs, right? There was a guy available, Mike McDaniel. He took the L.A. job. Brian Dable takes the Tennessee job. So who else do you get that you feel really confident in? They decided to go with the guy who's up and coming and has a lot of interesting backgrounds and ways to kind of shift and mold the offense into something new. And we're just going to have to wait and see how he is as a play caller. I hear you. And don't get me wrong. Having Andy Reid as my play caller my entire life, I have been the most fortunate of having a really seasoned play caller that knows when to dial these things up. But at the end of the day, there's going to be, you know, there's going to be those big-time situational plays where, yeah, you're really leaning on the coach to put you in a good spot. But the majority, I think, of the time in the NFL, you're going out there, you're having to make something work. And so at the end, you have the players there, and it's just the accountability and making sure that it all meshes well and that the coaches are putting them in good positions. But at the end of the day, you know, going out there and making those fucking plays is what's going to change the game. No doubt. And there's a question in here. What does he have to do to win over the Philly faithful? I mean, it's not complicated. You go out there and win games and you have a good offense. I mean, there's not an easy way to do it. I mean, sometimes you got to kick the biggest. You got to go to jail rules, right? When you go to jail, there's a lot of intimidating people. You don't know anything about jail, Jason. Well, I hear this, though. I hear this from people who have been to jail. I've heard it in movies, so it's got to have some truth. You go up to the biggest, baddest guy, and you start a fight, right? To set the tone that I'm not to be fucked with, right? So I think Shawn Mania needs to go to the biggest, baddest Philadelphia Eagles fan's house and just go and egg it. He's just got to egg their house, preemptively egg their house. Take the fight to them. Just start egging houses? Listen, we do have some film breakdown and video that we're going to be diving into from Sean Mannion and Green Bay and looking at, you know, what this offense looks like. I think we've wanted to get into video breakdowns before. It's not the easiest to figure out virtually and with all the editing and whatnot. But we've tried to do something and we're only going to get better at it. Yeah, so we're going to be doing some film breakdown of why we like the hire, why we don't, what we think it'll incorporate into the Philadelphia Eagles offense, as well as just watching ball. I love watching, talking ball, and Green Bay was doing some really cool, interesting things. So, yeah, keep a lookout on the YouTube channel for when that comes out. And, yeah, we also have a special guest at the end of the episode today. You guys are not going to want to miss this. Who was not the biggest fan of Kevin Petullo, as you guys might remember. We've got Sam Salvo, the young man who went virtual for saying that Kevin Petulo should be flipping burgers. And A.J. Brown needs to start packing his bags at the end of the episode. He's a young star in the making. And we're going to have him on to talk about this new hire in Sean Mannion. Can't fucking wait. Travis is headed to Waste Management's Open Pro-Am. Yes, sir. Travis, you ever been there before? You've played in it? So those of you that don't know what it is, it's the PGA tournament out in Arizona, out in Phoenix. The Waste Management Open is iconic. It's iconic for how much of a party it is all weekend. The infamous hole 16 par 3 is fucking electric. They create an entire arena around a par 3. It's done like no other hole in golf. And it's epic, man. I've always wanted to play in it. I've always wanted to obviously play in the PGA. But I've always wanted to actually play the course while this grandstand is there. and it's pretty fucking cool that I'm getting the opportunity to. That's right. Well, famously in the past, the tournament has had to suspend alcohol sales because it is that wild, folks. Waste management does not mess around. Trav, are you ready for this? Who are you paired with? I don't know if I'm allowed to say or if I even know exactly who it is that I'm paired with. Whoever I'm playing with, they're a fucking PGA golfer. You know what I mean? So anytime I'm around, you know, pros in different sports, I always get pumped to like just, I don't know, kind of pick their brain and be a part of their world. So this would be this would be fucking pretty damn cool, especially at a tournament like Waste Management. That par three, what's the distance on that sucker? Do you know? Last year, it was anywhere from like 150 to 180. OK, OK. So it's not it's not like a crazy distance. I think they give people the excitement that only like somebody might jar this. You know, it's not like the the hardest, like, you know, green to hit. So like a 230 where you're like trying to choose or am I hitting a long iron or what am I doing here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't fucking wait. I'm fucking pumped for this. I haven't swung a golf club in three weeks. This will be so much fun to just go out there and try not to hit one off of the fucking nozzle and smoke somebody in the stands, which would also be hilarious. I'm either going for that or going to jar one, baby. Kill one or hole-in-one. Got it. All right. ESPN is airing the Philly special this Friday, February 6th. A30 for 30 is coming out on the Philly special. That's right. What? Are you in it? I am. Yes, I'm in it. Nick Foles is in. Everybody that touched the ball in the Philly special, as well as Doug Peterson, who made the call. Dougie P. Listen, it's really all-encompassing of that Super Bowl run, but the emphasis is definitely on that play in particular and that moment for Philadelphia. So it was a blast to be a part of. All of us got together, me, Corey, Trey Burton, Nick Foles, and Doug Peterson in Philadelphia to reminisce about the play and talk about what led to that moment. So that was a lot of fun, and I can't wait to see what the final product looks like, man. I think... Dude, I can't wait either. Man, it was just so wild. Fourth and one in the Super Bowl. Biggest game of your life, 30 seconds left in the half. Oh, I can't fucking wait. God, man. Talk about crazy weather in the United States right now. That fucking week in Minnesota. Holy shit. It was a balmy, what, 12? I don't remember. I just remember leaving the stadium and it was cold as fuck. And it was a blizzard the whole time. Like literally, I remember this is kind of when Uber started and like Lyft and all these car services really started to like become a thing. And I'm over here trying to get them everywhere. And they're like, bro, I'm I can't even get to you. Like the roads are so bad. The traffic is all backed up because there's really nowhere for everybody to go because everyone's driving so slow. Like it was like you had to get an Uber an hour and a half in advance. And it was like, man, it was insane. But it made it that much more fun to kind of be in that bubble downtown with everyone because everyone was just like, you know what? I'm not going out to the Mall of America because I can't fucking get there. You know, I'm going to go ahead and just hit the bars and hit these restaurants around downtown and meet up with friends. And, man, it made it for such a fucking unique Super Bowl, man. It was so cool to, you know, see my brother win his first Super Bowl, but also, you know, be amongst the madness that was that Minnesota downtown that year. It was wild. It sure was. I was just thankful for all the skywalks not having to go outside. Dude, the skywalks. They got that shit figured out in Minnesota, man. If they were going to make a doc about any other game or play from your career, what do you think they'd make a doc about, Trav? Me? Like the Chiefs? Yeah, or something in your career. I think it would probably be the three-jet wasp, the play in the Super Bowl to Tyreek where we're down two scores and we need a huge play, or down three scores and need a huge play down to our last, you know, or what felt like our last dollar. and Tyree came up fucking big with Coach Bien and me calling the right play and Pat kind of throwing it out there as famous words. We got Wasp. What about Wasp? Man, absolutely electric. So I'd say that's probably our Philly special in that regard, and that's the only one that really comes to mind. All right. Last bit of new news. Not sure you guys know this, but we do have a website, KelseyClubhouse.com. If you're throwing a Super Bowl party, we got you covered. and check out the sale for all of your party essentials. That's right. Table claws. Heat thermometer. Definitely got to know if that meat is done cooking. Oh, yeah. Ooh, a little jungle juice dispenser. Yeah. Can't forget your football balloons. Got to make it festive. Yeah. Don't forget that charcoal, baby. Yeah. X's and O's plates. Make it football-centric. Live it up. I mean, this is the time of year, man. This is basically a national holiday Super Bowl time. Dude, I don't know whose Super Bowl party it was. I don't even know whose house we were at. I just remember mom and dad taking us to a Super Bowl party, and it was the year that the Titans played the Rams in the Super Bowl, and it came down to that last, like, play. Do you remember this? The greatest show? I don't fucking know, but I remember it like it was yesterday. The whole house, like, they were all cheering for the Rams, for sure. It was a St. Louis house because the entire, like, I just remember Kurt Warner memorabilia being everywhere and all the cups and everything were St. Louis. All the napkins were St. Louis. And it's just something about that as a kid, man. It's just implemented in my fucking brain. All right. Now, once again, that's new news brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups. Let's keep this thing moving into a little bit of Super Bowl Bowl topics. That's right. It's the big game this Sunday. And we got some big things to talk about. First thing is that Bold Topics is brought to you by Xfinity. That's right. This week we're bringing some friends on to talk about this big game. And as always, we have our notorious introductioneer. I just made up a word. You guys know what I'm talking about, Jason. Kind of an auctioneer, but an introductioneer. I see what you did there. Yeah. Jason. By the way, we got some awesome guests. Let's get to the first one right now. Here to represent the New England Patriots, he is the host of Games With Names and Dudes on Dudes podcast, a 7-0 pick out of Kent State, three-time Super Bowl champion and Super Bowl MVP. 92% is please welcome back to the show for his second appearance, Mr. Julian Edelman! Edelman! Edelman! Edelman himself. He's back. How you guys doing? How you guys doing? Thanks for having me. Doing great, man. It's Super Bowl weekend. No job January over here, man. Just enjoying some free time. Watching some good ball on Sundays, man. You're not used to that, though. That's probably an uncomfortable feeling, huh? Yeah, you know the feeling, dude. You know the feeling. I get it. I get it. When you go to, I mean, you both have been to a bunch of Super Bowls, and a lot of them in a short amount of time, like your body clock has messed up that first time you're not in it. You're like, what's going on? Like, I'm growing a beard. I'm five years out. It just feels right. I'm like, what the hell are we doing? Why am I doing this still? Don't change it. Don't change it. It's stupid. It's 80 degrees. You're not in Boston anymore, Jules. You don't need that. I know. I know. All right. Well, should we get right into the Pats? What do you think? Let's do it, dude. How are you feeling? What's your confidence level for the Super Bowl for the Patriots? Well, I'm excited. I'm super excited. And I am very confident with the Patriots going into this game. Yeah. And there's been a lot of talk about the easy road, the schedule, young football team going against a juggernaut. And a lot of these narratives are things that this organization has dealt with before. So I'm very interested to see the coaches of the Patriots and what they game plan going into this thing. They've got a lot of experience in this. You know, Braves, yeah, he's never coached in one, but he's got Josh McDaniels, who's coached in 10. He's been a former head coach. Braves has played in this thing. So I just think there's a lot of value in that experience of the routine of the Super Bowl, because you guys know more than anyone right now, this game is a different game. Completely different. And the little things that the coaches prepare you for, or at least me, I saw come to fruition in the game. So I think I'm excited with their opportunity. Yeah, man. Oh, yeah. So there's something we wanted to ask you. It is a young team. There's a lot of guys that haven't played in it. You mentioned Braves, your organization, have a ton of experience in this game. Right. You yourself, obviously, ton of experience playing in this game in this week. What piece of advice would you give the guys that are playing in it for the first time? The Drake Mays and the young players. What would you tell them? My advice would be is keep the routine the same. Maybe if you want, do a little couple extras. I'd always catch another 500 balls after practice or something that wouldn't tax my body, but fundamentally get me confident. And keep the routine the same. You guys are here for a reason. It's because of how you prepared all year going into a game. It always worked, you know, and it continued to work. So you don't have to do too much. And then one last thing I would tell them, you know, be prepared for a marathon, not a sprint. This thing, this game is a, it's longer. Be prepared for, you know, spurts of rhythm throughout the game and take advantage of that. Yeah. But know that this is a long game, and the team that wins is the team that makes the least amount of mistakes, not the team that makes the most plays. If you watch, you know, it's the team that makes the least amount of mistakes, you know, left tackle, jumping off sides, a receiver not breaking hot on a hot route and it's interception, you know, the quarterback not getting the right protection. Things that we're not going to see that you need to check the box every, you know, play when we're evaluating our plays after the game. Like, just don't have those negative plays. The team that has the least amount of those wins. Yeah, dude, it's crazy you say that because a lot of the times in these big games, especially early on, you feel like you got to be your greatest. You feel like you got to make that extra, that crazy one handed catch when no one expects you to make the play. But it's really just those little things that, you know, you're getting that cutoff block on the backside. So if that thing, you know, peels back to you, you know, so you can get six yards. Exactly. Just so you can get a few yards and get downhill. And now you're not playing behind the sticks and things like that. It's it's such an easy concept to like talk about. But when you're in it, man, you want to be your best and you want to be the fucking one that like catapults the guys to the to the next game or to the to the to the win. And it's like, man, if you just go out there and focus on doing those little things, the jobs, those those big plays, when the instincts are when you're in it and those big plays need to be made, you're you'll make them by just like being you. You know, you don't got to be an extra version of yourself. So I'm so with you on that, man. Absolutely. And then, you know, like, and it sounds easy. Oh, hey, just do it. But the distractions and the, you know, the pre-game ceremonies and the 28-minute halftime, there are so many different variables that make it so much harder than a regular game. Yes. You know what I mean? So that lull, it's not going to be a sprint. This thing's not going to happen after, you know, you stop, you hold the team three and out, you go and score. Or, oh, this game's over. No, this thing's going to be a marathon. They're always close, more than they're not. Which they can get to not being close. They can be a blowout, but more than not, it's usually a close game. Have you talked to Braves at all? Yeah, I talked to Braves week three when they lost to this. Who'd they lose to? Was it the Raiders? Or no, no, it was the Saints maybe. I had the Hall of Fame induction. Braves came to the ceremony. And that was like one of the last times they lost. But yeah, we talked a little bit. He kind of busted my balls, said I went a little long on my Hall of Fame speech and told me, you know. He goes, Jules, you know, hey, just to give you a reminder, halftime, I know you're going to speak to the crowd and everything. Just remember, it's 12 minutes. All right, bud. It's 12 minutes in the regular season. What a guy. You missed him by like one year, right? In terms of playing with him? Yeah, I missed him by one year. He got signed to the Chiefs. I got drafted in. But we used to go to the Kentucky Derby together. And we had so much crossover that I feel like I played with them And the stories about Braves lived on past Braves Oh I sure man Just in the locker room I can only imagine, dude. If you got a good one, please share, man. He's a Northeast Ohio guy. So watching Braves at Ohio State and then obviously at the Patriots is like, fucking, I feel like he's like a part of my family for some reason. It was always like, hey, you know, Braves would have killed you for getting on this taping table as a rookie. before this guy. Little things like that. And then you always heard coach would reference, other coaches would reference, oh, if Rabel would have ate that up on scout team or this guy was one of the smartest football players that we've ever seen. And when you're hearing that from the coaches that we had that I think are pretty dang good, if they're going to carry a guy's name, he must have been doing something right. Him and Rodney Harrison. They always talked about Rodney. They talked about a lot of those former guys, but they always talked about Braves in a great fashion, and it's been really cool to see him. He's always been a stud, though. It's not like, oh, this is his first time doing good things. He was great with Tennessee. When he went to Ohio State as a younger coach, and he's done great things, anything he's done, so it's been really cool to see. I was going to ask you, what do you think has enabled him to have so much success so quickly in New England? Like in one year to be in the Super Bowl to turn it around from what it's been the last couple of years. I mean, it's fucking amazing. Like truly. It is. I think it's a combination of things. I think RKK, Mr. Kraft making the right call, getting the right people in the building at the right time. I think it's the relationship between Elliott Wolfe, Stretch, Vrabel, whoever's getting the players in. They've hit on a lot of their free agents. Milt Williams has been lights out. Spillane's been lights out. Diggs in the offensive side has brought a new attitude to that receiver room. And then they have 11 rookies that they've drafted on the team. So, you know, they've been hitting on guys they've brought in, guys they've drafted. And Drake May having Josh McDaniels this year, I think, has been huge. So I think it's a combination of, like, the perfect storm of things happening. And things can happen that quick in this league because, you know, it's built on parody and the crappiest team is not as crappy as you think in this league. Like they're like three players, five players away, which can be hit in a draft or through free agency. However your team is built. So I think it's a combination of things. Love it. Love it. And Brady's a great coach too, you know? We got Cooper cup coming on here after you brother to represent the Seattle side to the best wide receivers ever to play in the Superbowl, man. Cooper's coming back for his second run at it. You got anything you want to say to Cooper? Have any questions for him? Ask him. I've been making my French press coffee a little weird. Just ask him, what's the weight on how much I got to put in? Because he's a big coffee guy. He did his dodo thing over here once. He gave me a coffee machine. We know he's the triple crown winner. We know he's still balling in the Super Bowl, and he's still balling at a high level at a high age. but I just want to know about the coffee. How do I get my French press right? Coffee is an underrated part about having success in the league too. Whenever I get a young guy and he's not drinking coffee, I'm like, do it. Do you not like taking legal performance enhancers? Why the fuck would you not drink coffee? What are you doing, man? I didn't drink coffee until I got in the league. That's right. Then I started chewing. I started drinking coffee. I mean, how do you get through these meetings? That's right. That's right. People don't realize there's, this is like, You have to go to school before you get to just play football. It's like you're in class all day long. Yeah. That's so fucking good. All right. We got to ask him on the French press, man. I'm actually curious about this one. Is there anything you would say the Patriots win if they do X? They get the ball off Sam Darnold. Okay. Patriots win if they can get the ball off Sam Darnold and win that turnover margin. Yeah. I really think if you get it to a nitty-gritty game, You have Milton Williams in the middle, Barmore in the middle together, getting pressure in the middle of the pocket and getting a takeaway from that explosive offense. And they've got to take advantage of it. I think that's their best opportunity of winning. Because I think Seattle, if you look at them, they're a complementary football team. We've talked about all year, all phases, special teams, offense, defense. But when they've gotten to hairy, nitty-gritty games with teams, you know they've been able to like beat them with all their units I don't think they could do that with the Patriots they're pretty dang good on all three units too so I think when they get into a hairy game with a team that can nullify them on special teams and not give them an explosion play or maybe hit them with the explosion play with Marcus Jones at punt return or kickoff I think those are the types of teams that they struggle with because then it presses on to Darnold to making a play they got to get more in the drop back they can't play on schedule with their run game always yeah so getting the ball off sam getting that pressure in the middle of pocket i think they'll it'll give them their best chance to win it makes sense man i love it makes all the sense in the world interior pressure if you look at like all the super bowl teams that have won over the last few years i mean you look at dominant d tackles and controlling the middle of that freaking line of scrimmage and it disrupts the run game and then it pressures the quarterback Everybody wants to talk about edge pressure. There's something about that interior pressure. Milton Williams and Barmer are freaking balling right now, both of them. Well, especially with his pocket passer. You know, Sam, he's athletic, but he likes to do everything behind that center at eight, seven yards, wherever that spot is for him. And he likes to deliver the ball off that play action. They do a great job moving it, but, you know, Sam, he don't like that middle pressure. If you watch. Whenever he struggled, it's because of that pressure right in his face because it's hard to dissect that defense. Gets him a little bit off schedule, gets him off target, and then he'll still throw it up there. All right. Let's hit it with this last thing, dude. We got to know you're welcome to the Super Bowl moment. Out of all the Super Bowls you went to, man, what was the one moment that hit you that you can remember that was just like, man, I'm in it, man? I really think there's two for me. from my first one we lost against uh the new york giants in 2011 and uh that was still early that was uh like still kind of almost pre-phone still getting into the phone age and uh the phone age that first kickoff when you used to run in these super bowls all you would see is just flashes yeah and i was an r2 and you'd run and i just remember seeing all the flashes on kickoff And I remember seeing those flashes cinematic, dude. That's crazy. Yeah. It's super. I remember that. And the national anthem, you know, and the national anthems going, you see whoever, who's singing it, some, whatever celebrities there, you know, you start to feel the environment of how big this is. I think those two things were like my welcome to the Superbowl moment by a time, you know, we got there in 14 again. And then 16, you know, then i had i kind of i kind of had a feel for it but that first time you know it's like holy smokes dude what are we doing here batman dude pre-phone and pre-kickoff like change like the kickoff when it was the fucking kickoff you know what i mean dude we're fucking charged i'm gonna go bust a wedge that's right and the moment you said national anthem i started getting goosebumps because that is and still even like when i'm at a regular game every time i hear the national anthem that kind of is like for some reason a very visceral moment for me and i don't think it's just about the national anthem it's something about like that it's about to happen like that's always the trigger in our heads for timing yes and at the super bowl it just is at another level every single time that's one of my favorite moments when they're videotaping everybody and you see guys just like so emotional like just like cage dogs ready to get out there and man Puts you right back into it for sure. It really does, man. The national anthem, anytime you watch it, like especially in the big games, you know, you got the jets flying over, got the military there, the fans are going, you know what I mean? And you got, you know, someone's crying. You know, that's, that's, because that, like you said, it's right, it's calm before the storm. It's about to, it's about to go down. And it's been like that since we were kids. Oh yeah. Right after the national anthem, we're going and we're playing ball. Yes. Everybody fucking fire up, man. I'm fired up for the Super Bowl, baby. I can't wait. Pat Seahawks. We appreciate you hopping on. Jules, you're the man, brother. No problem, guys. Thanks for having me. Thank you to Julian Edelman. Edelman did not disappoint. Jules is the man, dude. But we do have one more guest. We do. We've heard from the Patriots side and contingency. Now it's time to go to Seattle. We have the other white wide out. Oh, man. We have the one and only Cooper Cup. All right. 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PDF Spaces is the smartest way to prep for and enjoy authentic conversations. Learn more at adobe.com slash do that with Acrobat. Here to represent the Seattle Seahawks, our guest is a six foot two wide receiver from Eastern Washington University. He is a pro baller, all pro NFL triple crown winner and 2021 NFL offensive the player of the year. He is a Super Bowl champion and Super Bowl 56 MVP. 92% please welcome Cooper Cup. That's awesome. The most proud I am is that you rounded up from 6-1 to 6-2. That was the best part of the whole thing. I'm the same way. I'm 6-3. That's all the things. I'll take it. A combine will get you, man. They go down to the eighth of an inch. It's not fair. I was 6-5 my whole life and at the combine, I'm 6'4 and 7'8. So I'm like, you motherfuckers couldn't give me one more 8 than it. You learn a lot at the combine, man. You learn a lot, even about yourself. Even about yourself. Like, oh, I had no idea I was that short. That's crazy. I'm that slow? I thought I ran a 4'7. I didn't know I was running a... Hey, you're telling me. You're telling me. Yeah. Yeah, wanted to jump it off, man. Congrats on the year so far, man. NFC champs. You know how to do this thing, though, man. Obviously, you have literally the best run in playoff history at the wide receiver position, man, in terms of the stats and touchdowns and going out there and actually getting the fucking dub in the big game, man. How does it feel to get back to the Super Bowl? Yeah, that's pretty sweet. You just don't take these things for granted. I mean, we've all been lucky enough to be on parts of teams that get to the show and make it happen, get the chance to play in the big one. And I've also been a part of, we've all been part of really good teams where like, man, the belief is that you're there. Like you're going through training camp. You're like, we're going to the Super Bowl. Like we know the work. Like we have everything it takes to get there and you don't and you fall short. And so to be in this place, to be able to, you know, week in, week out, find a way to get wins and get here. It's a special thing. How has it been with the new team? Obviously, you know, this is not a lot of people from the outside saw it coming. And I'm sure you guys seeing it from your perspective had high expectations. What's it, what's the team camaraderie been like all year? You know, how has it been being in Seattle? It's been good. I mean, obviously it was a new experience coming over here with the new team and all that. But I mean, there was a, there was a belief early on, you said the, I mean, it was exactly what Mike McDonald said up there on that stage. You know, we did not care. You know, it was like this whole thing, like all the narratives, all this other stuff's like, no, we're just going about our business. We're going to handle our stuff. And it was that from day one, from OTAs on. It's like, man, we're just going to do what we do and get better and better and better. And it wasn't like this. This isn't one of those teams that I would have said day one, but like, oh, yeah, we got all the pieces together to go make this thing happen. It was truly like a build, a slow build of like, hey, this is coming together and gelling and the guys are coming together, the belief in one another, the camaraderie of the just the people the energy of the locker room is is special you could feel the energy in the fucking preseason coop i remember playing you guys in the preseason dude and i was like i was sitting there on the on the sideline that second half watching watching my guys try and battle your guys is like kind of like second and third string guys and i'm sitting i'm just like this team has the fucking juice like these guys love playing the game of football and they do and they do it together. And it wasn't just the starters. It wasn't just the guys after that. It was all the way through the end of the game, man. And when you see guys loving to play the game together like that, man, having that energy, having that excitement is the start of it. And then from there, you obviously have great coaches, great leaders. You got to talk to us about a guy named Sam Darnold. How fun has it been fucking seeing that guy grow into the Super Bowl quarterback that he is today? Ginger Cuzz. Ginger Cuzz. I was waiting for it. I was waiting for it. He's been the man. I mean, honestly, Corder X in general, they are on the highest pedestal of like, you do not have a whole lot of time to prove yourself before you get counted out. And for Sam Donald to do what he did, going through this time with the Jets, with Carolina, all the scarring that happens, that's like, man, everything that's put on you that's saying you aren't this anymore. Like you're not that guy. for him to push through all those things, to go to San Francisco, to learn his stuff there, to be able to take in all the Shanahan. Like, man, this is – I can do this system. I believe in this, how this is done, how this quarterback – how quarterbacks are asked to play this game, to go and do it for KOC in Minnesota, and then to come over here and just ball out like this. I mean, it's just incredible. It's not talked about enough how special and how difficult that is for quarterbacks to do. It is not an easy thing, and he's kind of – You know, he's gone against, you know, common belief about quarterbacks and how it works. You know, so it's special. I could not agree more, man. And like, listen, I keep getting asked, like, who are you rooting for in the game? And like, I don't really have a horse in the race. Like, I like storylines on both sides. But it's hard to not want this to happen for Sam. It really is. Because I think anybody that's been in the league and struggled through it yourself and had to persevere through ups and downs, like, it is very difficult. especially once that narrative throughout the league has already been set. It's hard to get that next opportunity. Exactly. For him to be able to do this multiple times, have to reaffirm himself and to have the year he's had on a special team right now. Like it's, it's hard not to root for the ginger cuz man. What's the better nickname? Ginger cuz or buddy? Oh, come on now. Maybe, maybe he feels a different way about it, but. don't call me buddy don't call me don't call you buddy i was you know i got a little ginger in the beer if they were calling me ginger cuz i'm like i'll take ginger cuz don't call me buddy call me ginger cuz i'm checking out okay i'm at i'm at a gas station getting something you call me ginger cuz that's fine i'm good don't call me buddy don't call me buddy i'm pretty sure we had uh had our guy matt stafford on here talking about how you're attending early qb meetings you still Are you still in the QB room? I'm still in the QB room. They can't get me out of there, man. It's my room now. Look over. I love it, man. Let me ask you this, and I think I already know the answer, but just for people watching, why do you attend the QB meetings? What does a receiver get out of going to the QB meetings? Yeah, well, I mean, for me, it's a QB perspective. I want to hear – one, I want to be watching the film with the quarterback when he's taking his notes, when he's kind of diagnosing, okay, these are the things that I'm seeing. these are the things that even like give me concern you know that maybe the coach it's not from the coach's perspective from the quarterback's perspective this is concerning to me and maybe he's like has a thought about how it wants how he would want to attack or how he what his answers he want what answer he wants that to be you know i get to be in there and i get to be at the genesis of it all but then the other part of it is to be in the meetings themselves because now like in the receiver room they're not going to touch on the the progression of a quarterback You know what I mean? Like they're not saying, hey, this is one high, two high this way. It's like, no, we're running a bench route. You know what I mean? And so I want to know on the backside, if I'm running a China route on the backside, well, how much time do I have? Am I first in the progression? Am I fourth in the progression? That really changes how I'm going to run my route and when I can be ready, when the quarterback expects me to be ready for the ball. You know what I mean? I love this. Did you ever play a little quarterback? So my dad was a quarterback. Ah, okay. Yeah, so my dad was a quarterback in the NFL for a couple of years. he backed up he was third string to Troy Aikman and then Jason Garrett actually beat out my dad for the third spot with the Cowboys so so my dad yes so I learned receiver from my dad a quarterback yeah it's like when I run a route I wasn't getting told what to do as a receiver I was getting told no you can't do that because the quarterback's not going to like that you know I mean so he was he was on me early he was on me early about like sticking my foot in the ground like no you have to like you have to indicate your indicator is not good enough. You know, that was, man, you know, that's it. That's it. So indicator, what we're talking in code to this fucking fat boy. Yeah. I don't know shit about an indicator. What's this? I got to use my body to communicate to the quarterback. I want to like, he's going to see me 20 yards away. And when I make a move or do something, I'm going to do something that's indicating I'm breaking down and I'm going to be in the spot that you're expecting me to go. Right. Cause he's going to be letting the ball go when my back's to him. so he needs to know like, man, hey, it's happening now. You know, I need to be able to put my foot in the ground when I'm breaking in or out and how I'm rolling. So I can't just like, you can't just ooze into like a deep out route. You got to like put your foot in the ground, like I'm going now. You know what I mean? So he knows that it's my own. Coop, I think, and that's so good. That was a great way of describing it. I think what you do that's different from others is that you're giving those indicators to the quarterback, but you never give those indicators to the defense. And that's so hard because the defense is watching those indicators and i do a whole lot of bullshit to make up for my speed like i'm i'm doing skips and and things with my shoulders and things you know i'm doing all this shit just to get this much separation where you actually have the speed and you have the shoulder lean and you give none of those indicators as well as like when you want to really get open on a double move and things like that but you're giving the defense no indicators that you're going to be going one way or the other And that keeps the timing of these routes so true. And it's why you've always been mirrored up with your quarterback so well, man. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, try to do it. Try to do it as a, you know, I'm – like I ran a 4'6", right? So, like, I got to do the hop and skip and I got to do the little jack. Now I got to do a little bit of this. You know what I mean? You got it all. You got it all in the bag. But a lot of those deeper routes you don have all that ability to really get into that kind of stuff So that what I was saying You don have the time Exactly Exactly I get it Well I was just going to ask listen you were in the Rams for a very long time with one head coach. What's it been like having a new head coach in Mike McDonald, right? Like, has it been different being offense versus defense? Like, how has that been for you? Offensively, if you don't have a great day, it's okay because the coach is going to be so pumped at how good a practice went. You know what I mean? You know how it goes? It's like, oh, hey, defense had a great day today. It doesn't matter what the offense did. Hey, bring it up, boys. This is a great day. Where before, it didn't matter. It didn't matter what the energy was of practice. If the offense wasn't on it, it was a terrible day. Getting crushed. Getting absolutely crushed. So that's nice being on the other end of that side of things. But honestly, those two guys, like Sean and Mike, both on two separate ends in terms of the offense and the defense. But they are doing it at the highest level of those two sides. And so it's cool to see it. And I like to sit in there with Mike. And I used to sit in with Sean and be able to talk through stuff and be able to talk like, you know, the 500, 600 level football stuff. And now I sit in there and I used to like I could like, you know, talk. I'm like, yeah, I can live at this place and like communicate. And then you start talking to Mike, you're like, oh, I don't know what I'm talking about. Like, this defense is a whole other world that maybe you think that you understand what you're doing offensively when you're attacking stuff, but there's a whole other world out there that you don't understand and the depth of it. And I'm reminded of that over and over again as I play in this game. The depth of detail that there is in the NFL, it's an ocean. It just keeps going, man. Yeah, and it's different the way it is in different systems. Like cover three is just like such a generic term for a way that everybody thinks about what that is, right? And how it's taught versus like different formations and clusters and what teams do specifically in their progressions. How it changes week to week. No doubt. Yeah. You obviously played with Matthew Stamble for a long time, now with Sam Darnold. What are the differences between those two guys in particular? You know, one's got red hair, one's got gray hair. it is great though being like matthew sing when he comes in it's like oh i've seen that like any look oh i saw that you know 2012 week four like they brought that same pressure it's like okay this is you're ridiculous dude yeah that's great and you can't you can't you can't compete with the experience that he has because it's not just the experience it's not just time it's like it's memory it's like he has all that stored in this database he's like an he's like an ai center and it's like he's built into his brain and he just like he's just like pulling these things like dude no one i can't keep up with you you're you're just rolling and you know for sam sam is so processed or it's like man he's he's seen a lot he's been in a lot of different situations um and he carries that stuff with him well but a lot of it is his process and he's preparing through the week it's like man is just he's so on hey i'm in here until seven o'clock at seven o'clock you know i'm moving on to my next thing and i'm on it he's just boom like a robot on honest stuff so you know when he gets there when he gets to the game on sunday it's like man he's just gone through this he's so prepared for that moment to step out there and play or he's almost over it's like you don't have to poop at seven every morning you know i mean like you can do other things to be ready for it man he wants to be ready i love it man well i'm sure it was uh it was pretty weird uh lining up against your former teammate or yeah former teammates and former team um but you were in quote saying it was cool that we had to go through the rams the script writers did a good job with that one i'm glad you're you're a believer in the script writers as well they were uh they were definitely writing the script for me and jason to go to the super bowl when we started this do a heist podcast. Yeah. You remember the meetings. Yeah. It's good. Exactly. That was crazy, wasn't it? I mean, I'm like I said, I've talked to this before, but there's, there's so many guys in the, like playing that game. You don't want, no one wants to make it about themselves and what, like, oh, it's my story, you know, but like in my world, that was a crazy story. I thought it was wild. Were you in those, defensive meetings, letting him know about all of McVay's tricks up his sleeve. And I've always wondered when a guy goes to the other team. No, it is. It's hard. I mean, you can't like, yeah, I know a lot of the stuff that they do. I don't know if it's changed, you know, but I can like sit there and be like, okay, yeah, this is, looks like, I know that signal. I know like what this, maybe some of these, like, you know, hurry up offense, what they're doing. But how do you, as a coach, How do you tell the defense like, oh, hey, don't listen to what my call is. I need you to listen to what they're doing. And then, you know what I mean? And they know you're – and McVay knew you were over there and like that could be a possibility. So they're changing signals and all of a sudden, you know, you can get caught in a tough position. I just had to ask this. Exactly. No, it just doesn't – I just don't know that it really works, you know. I think there's little things, little pieces like, hey, this little indicator maybe of something. It's like it's a broad thing. like, hey, this might indicate, you know, these kinds of plays are coming versus being like, oh, this is the exact play that's coming. To put that in the back of somebody's mind with everything else that you got to deal with on the football field, I feel like it's almost like a crutch to be able to, like, have somebody thinking that much about all of it. So I'm right there with you. How has the Coop chant been with the 12th man instead of the Rams fans this year? Does it feel weird or is it – how do you feel about it? It's been pretty solid. I'll tell you what. It's been pretty solid. Lumen's crazy. Like playing in Lumen, it gets rowdy. I've been on the other side of it. It's really similar though. It used to be like I used to run onto the field, you know, for part early on and you'd get the booze. Now I run on, I just get the coops. It doesn't feel that different. I've kind of been here. I've kind of been here before. that's great. You got another unbelievable wide receiver in the wide receiver room with you in Seattle right now. JSN is absolutely taking this lead by storm. I think he's right now in terms of every single route he's running pound for pound, one of the best fucking wide receivers I've ever seen play this damn game, man. He's, he's so fun to watch and he, he has that ability to just do it with ease. Similar to how, so similar to how you are. He doesn't give a lot of indicators on the deeper routes, and he's always on time. And then his big play ability is through the fucking roof. Yeah. Did you coach him up at all? Did you give him experience? Like, how was it when you got in the wide receiver room over there? Yeah, it was good. You know, I basically have built Jackson myself. I knew it was good. I knew it. No, he was so good. When I got here, watching him go through OTAs, it's like, dude, this dude's special. And I don't think you never know going into a season, statistically, what the production is going to be like. What are we going to be like as an offense? That takes a lot of it as well. But he's just over and over again made the plays. When the opportunities come, we don't throw the ball. We're not super high up on the list in terms of how often we're throwing the ball. But when we do and when the opportunity comes his way, he's making the play. You know what I mean? And I think to do that, you got to be consistently getting open, like consistently open. You don't know when that time is going to be when the ball is coming your way. And so he's just been special in that way. And like you said, no indicators like he's so smooth. He plays at one level the entire time. You know, he can he can run up. He can run a, you know, a 15 yard outbreaking speed cut route and never change. It's like the same level the entire time. and he just kind of Porsche turns to the sideline and plays negative coming out of his breaks. It's really special seeing him do his thing. Dude, it's so smooth. Like the effortlessness of it, it's fun to watch him just run. He's similar to that. I mean, you played with Devontae Smith. Devontae, I was about to say, they're very similar in the way they move. Super smooth runner, but Jax is built a little more like a running back when you see him. A little bit stockier. Got some girth to him. Yeah, he got a little more girthiness to him. He seems like a great dude, man, and I love the combo you guys had. But I got to ask you about my guy, A.J. Barner, in the tight end room, man. Northeast Ohio ball player, baby. Northeast Ohio ball player. I got a chance to say what's up to him at tight end you, man. And outside of like the on-field stuff and him really like being a big part of this offense in the run game and pass game, man, his energy, his swagger as a young cat in the league, man, I fucking love it, man. And I'm so happy for that dude. But you got to tell me, you got any good AJ stories? I got some great AJ stories. I don't know that I just got one. Sean is choosing one that he wouldn't be upset about me sharing. There you go. There you go. Well, what was your first impression? When your first impression coming in, I'm sure you knew him to an extent because he was playing in Seattle. My first impression of him, I was like, wow, this is like a young Tyler Higby. Dude, Higgs is another guy. Dude, fucking love Higgs, man. Higgs is one of my all-time favorite human beings, teammates. Higby's the man. He's the man. I sit next to him in the huddle for eight years, like one of my favorite dudes. And I'm like, this dude runs routes. He blocks. He does all the stuff, right? all the stuff as you get to know him more like he's got a very unique energy about him and how i mean he's like he's the dude that's like he's the dude that's like barking in the team meetings you know he's got like he's got something to say every time something to say and you know 90 of the time it's awesome 10 of the time you just kind of let it kind of just you know go over your head it's like okay yeah oh barnyard that's a banger right there man i can't wait to see him in the Super Bowl, man. I know he's going to be turned. We had Julian Edelman on already. He had one question for you. Okay. He's having some problems with his French press. He doesn't know the right ratio. What do we got for him? What do we got for him? He's hopeless. I tried. I've already tried with him. I can't. I've already tried with him. I walked him through it. The first time he showed me, he was making coffee. He's dang near. I mean, he's dang near drinking his coffee with just ground all i mean he's just like he's chewing his coffee basically he's got that turkish coffee that's got the grounds in it right yeah yeah he's exactly he's drinking his coffee with a spoon listen he's got you have to measure things you can't just like throw it together right it's ratios you gotta have a feel you have a little bit of detail and for julian edelman for julian edelman the most one of the most detailed receivers to just like throw things together oh it broke my heart you wanted to see the intent into detail he he turned that shit off man yeah yeah slow yourself down julian slow yourself down make yourself a nice cup of joe make it a nice little process we'll be good well time out hold on i want to get the inside scoop though for myself though what is the ratio what do what do you what is what is coop doing with this coffee most french presses the plunger won't go all the way to the bottom right so the plunger will leave like have you made french press before yes i have okay so the french press won't plunge all the way to the bottom so if you want to start see where that spot is and just fill the grounds up to right where that is right where that okay most of them most of them will be pretty that'll be pretty accurate so you want to start there and then you go there and you fill up the whole fill up your whole thing and you press it you know wait six wait six minutes or so make sure your grind's good you want a nice coarse grind with french press don't want to be a super you don't want to be you know what i mean if you get too too fine you're going to have the the if you're over extract you're going to have the you're on the grounds all coming up through that plunger you don't want to do that you don't want to make it make sense let's talk some more about this what is is french press the best method of brewing well what beans do you have right because there's actual people don't notice there's certain coffee beans that are made for espresso there's certain ones for drip there's certain beans with their oil contents, the things that like... Where are you getting your French press beans from? My French press beans, I honestly don't... I'm getting them from Dodo is where I'm getting them from. There we go. You know it. I don't know if we were down in Guatemala. I don't know. The Guatemala is a good one. We got some good ones from Guatemala. It would do a good French press. I've done French press. I've tried getting a Mocha Master. I've got an AeroPress. Grinders. I've tried the beans. I've not mastered the beans. I'm not jacking the beanstalk yet. Are you going to be in Santa Clara this week. Oh yeah, we're up there, baby. Come by. Perfect. Can I show you the grinder I got? This will show you how novice I am. I'm going to show you the grinder I bought. You're about to get this, dude. You're going to see the attention to detail of a Pro Bowl center. This dude is there. He was the one that broke out the directions as a kid for the Legos instead of just putting them together. I hope that he brings hammer. He's been waiting to ask you this forever yeah this is great i hope he just brings a hammer and it's like i used to use this i was i just picked the beans until they look good and then just dumped them into this coffee grinder i wanted to be on record i fucking hate this goddamn industrial ass i need this is great you know it's about to be a fucking hammer i'm ready to save the day i need listen you guys you You guys send me his address. I'm going to send him a whole setup. It'll be so easy. We're going to send you two addresses because I need this too. Yeah. You let me know. Send me the address. I'm going to send you. It's going to do everything for you. You're going to be able to measure out what you need. It's going to grind them how you're supposed to have them. It's going to do it all right. People come over to our house all the time and they're like, oh, this is so good. This is great. So much better than I make at my house. It's like, yeah, because you're making it like a homemade. what you take this out of the wall what the fuck is that that looks like an old Dell computer dude what the fuck is that I bought an industrial coffee grinder on accident I thought I was getting a home one and I got this this is crazy that looks like something goodness gracious if it's a gun save that thing's crazy dude that's hilarious is that's the biggest coffee grinder i've ever seen in my life when that thing showed up kylie was like what in the fuck are you doing the entire house just speaks in the morning coffee for the entire block that's right i was telling trav let me you got yes tell me where to send it i'm gonna send you a whole setup it's a whole coffee setup it's gonna look nice your wife's gonna love it's gonna set up on the counter you're like oh this is like this is good this looks good perfect it's here making coffee i got i got you set up have you always been a coffee guy when did you start getting on the coffee coffee's really it's a performance enhancer in the league like you're doing yourself a disservice you're not you're not trying if you're not drinking some you don't come in here if i don't see you walking around with a cup of coffee i'm like i'm questioning your commitment to what we're doing exactly when did you start it up though secretly my mom would buy me coffee like early middle middle school my dad hated no way my dad my dad he's been in the game for a minute i've been in the game i've been in the game for a while are you a sweetener or you like the taste of the beans you don't want to you don't want to mess with the beans blackity black black yes nice you got to get the taste you got to get the taste and go what are you guys are you i mean i'm black all the way i was about to say i'm black and for some reason i don't i don't really like espresso as much as i like actual coffee coffee i will do espresso like i'm i don't discriminate especially after like a nice dinner yeah all in on the espresso espresso martini hey now no yeah but there's something about like a a coffee that i just really enjoyed yeah the taste just a drip coffee it's a nice drip coffee yes dude i'm right there with you i'm i'm straight up I like the coffee straight. And then I like I'll go back. We have like five. We have like six flavors from a Kansas City roasting company that I'll go and get. I'll switch it up by the week. I'll go and get like a dark like roast and then I'll go back and get like a nice hazelnut. And it'll be like the taste of the beans will make it feel like I have like a sweetener in there or something. but he like kind of changes the notes. The beans themselves have flavor. Oh, yeah. You know it. You know it, man. The different, the way they roast it. Oh, it's the fucking best, man. Very interesting. We got one last question for you. All right. Do you have a welcome to the Super Bowl moment? You saying like, well, I can't believe that I'm playing in the Super Bowl or like the one where you get hit really hard and you're like, oh, this is the Super Bowl. Either one you want to go with, yeah. Man, I don't know. I mean, because my first Super Bowl, I was on the sidelines. I had a torn ACL in 2018 when Julian Edelman won Super Bowl MVP. And so I think maybe this would be my welcome to Super Bowl moment. Standing on the sidelines and feeling the chaos on our sidelines when Bill Belichick decided we're going 6-1 the entire game, completely change your game plan, show something you've never done before and just show up in the Super Bowl saying, this is what we're going to do. And we're going to do it every single snap. That was like, oh, this is the Super Bowl. Like, this is the guys that can make, the guy that can sit there and make that decision. You know what I mean? It's insane to even think about. Belichick has been in the news a lot recently with everything. And regardless of any of that stuff, that was one of the most masterful, well-done coaching jobs, to be honest with you. And it wasn't just 6'1". He was waiting for the headset to turn off so that Sean could check the play in. And then when it got checked, he would move it to something else. That game was wild to watch. It was crazy. He was doing it. You've seen the mic'd up where he was like, hey, where is he? Where is he? He's watching Sean. It's like, hey, we're going to show one thing. Mic clicks off at 15 seconds on the play clock, and it's like, boom. Okay, now we're getting into what we're doing. Because we were so much at the line of scrimmage that year. Sean really calling things all the way up until the ball snapped, essentially. that was insane but I mean for Bill to come out for his plan being I'm just going to watch Sean and we're going to wait until he calls it and I'm going to change it and we're just going to do this thing like we're putting six guys up on the ball we're going to knock out the mid zone run game third down they still did the Bill Belichick you know they had their Stephon Gilmore on Brand Cook they doubled Robert Woods they still did the same thing that they always do But that was a baller move by old William Belichick. William Belichick. Slick Willie. I lied. I got one more question. What do you think – what does Seattle need to do to win this game, brother? What are the keys to victory for you guys, do you think? We've said this over and over again, and it's cliche, you know? What were you going to say? Don't turn the ball over. Yeah. Run the ball. What do you – Yeah, yeah. But I do think it comes down to us. It's like, hey, be us. Be the people that we've been all the way through this thing. It's been our process. And it's been like, it's kind of a joke now, I guess. But, you know, Mike gets up there for a team meeting and he wants to have some words for us and you want to be like, man, bring some juice or something. It's like, no, no, no. We're going to go out there and be us. Like, that's our thing. That is what we do. We go out there and we run through people's faces. We're going to run the ball. We're going to pass the ball. Our defense is going to run and hit. This is what we do, and it's why we are in this position right now. And so we're not going to change that. We're going to go out there and do the things that we've done to get us to this place. And that's all you can do. That's all you can do anyways. So we can talk about it all we want. They are who we thought they were. Coop, man, you're the fucking man. I can't wait to catch you out there and talk some French press dog. But wishing you the best, man, and go out there and get you another one, brother. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Thank you to our partner Xfinity. The Olympic Winter Games are almost here and Team USA is ready to bring it. We're pumped. And while Xfinity can't guarantee a clean sweep for Team USA, they can guarantee your internet price stays locked in for five years straight until the next Winter Olympics. Through the next Winter Olympics. How about that? That's the Xfinity five-year price guarantee. One price for five years. 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All righty. Thank you to Cooper Cop. Once again, that was Bold Topics brought to you by VINITY. Man, he was awesome. Dude, he's the best. I can't wait to learn about coffee. I feel a little bit more confident than you, May, but at the same time, a French press is a different world. Yeah. Let's wrap up this episode of Stamps of the Week. How about that, Trav? Hey, nah. Stamps of the Week is brought to you by Adobe Acrobat. Oh, man. Who doesn't like a nice organized app for everything you need documented? All right. Who we got here? Stamp of the week, stamp of the week, stamp of the week. What is this, punch? Somebody punched their hair off? You didn't check out this clip? Watch this one. This guy was wearing the toupee. Uppercut's so vicious, it knocks his hair off. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. What do you ask for? How did he, did he ask for that? You just go into the barbershop and ask him if they got any toupees? I don't know where you get the toupee from or how it's adhered down or if the barbershop, I don't know a lot of those details. This second picture is crazy. I think he won the fight, though. Did he win? Yeah, I think they later threw it into the crowd, and I think he won the fight. I mean, he was a good sport about it. He definitely was not too nervous or shy about it. He was living it up after that, kind of dancing around. Could you imagine catching that? Dude, no. I can't imagine getting a toupee either, but that shit's fucking hilarious. Make a nice coaster. Koozie? Yeah. Got some great nominees here. We have Philadelphia Phantoms. Kai and I went to the Unrivaled game in Philadelphia. And quick shout out to these guys. They broke a record for the most regular season pro women's basketball game attendance of all time. It was 21,400. It was packed. Packed to the rafters. This Unrivaled thing is awesome. They do a great job. The production quality was fantastic. A lot of people were geared up for women's basketball. It was a really cool event. What else did we got? Rochester Nighthawks goalie Rylan Hartley for stamping Vancouver Warriors defensive Steph Charbonneau. Charbonneau? Charbonneau? Charbonneau. Let's take a look at this. Ooh, indoor lacrosse. Dude, electric. I just think it's funny how big the goalies are in indoor lacrosse. He's got all this pantheon. Goal! Oh, no. Oh, my gosh. Oh, that's a defenseless receiver right there. That's what I like to see. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then the brawl afterwards. You. I want. Come here. I don't know what that guy's mad about. There's a fucking few brawls going on right here. What are they mad at the goalie? I don't get why they're mad at the goalies. That was a great clean hit. That's all I saw. Are you allowed to do that in lacrosse? I mean, you're allowed to do it in lacrosse? Yeah. You can do this in lacrosse. Goal! He doesn't even hit him in the head. Dude, he didn't even hit him in the head. He hits him right in the chest. That's right in the chest. It is right in the chest. That is clean. I don't care what anybody says. Right over in the chin. I love it. I'm here for it, dude. I'm here for it. You can't throw over the middle late, dude. That's hilarious, man. Electric. I'm about to go to some indoor lacrosse if that's what they got going in indoor lacrosse. Fuck yeah. We also got Iowa lineman Jennings Dunker for bringing the mullet back to the senior bowl. Did you see this freaking beauty? Check out this beauty. Pull this picture up. Somebody's going to get a fucking stud. I don't know if he's any good at playing football, man, but this dude. I mean, just look at it. The hair, the mustache, the knee braces. He does look like a Clydesdale. That's hilarious. It's unbelievable. He's a majestic man right there. If you were going to design an offensive lineman in a laboratory, this is what he would look like. I mean, look at this guy. This is hilarious. How many beers a day do you think this guy drinks? I don't know. He's probably by the case. He doesn't even count them by the beer. this is giving me an idea though I don't think they should you know how they do best in show for like dogs where they like trot them out they do it for like horses too oh shit are you alright Tripp we're good you good fuck Taylor's gonna kill me the best in show got me best in show for the dogs like they i think best in show for the offensive line yeah the quarterback's walking around on a leash and they put them up on the table you got a guy measuring their ass we can't be putting guys on leashes but i hear you Fair enough. No leashes. You get them up on the stage. You got a guy measuring. They're getting their stance, and they see if their ass is in the right spot. I don't know, man. Just the prance. All I need is the prance. Just prance around. I want to see how this guy prances. He's a prancer. It's like the – what's the – at the county fair, they got like the – what is that called? When you got like the best pig, the biggest pig at the show. Prize pig right there. Won the whole county fair. What are those called? You know what I mean? I don't know. Can I get some help here? Somebody help, Jason. You're going to like a stock show is what you want to do? Yeah, but like the prize pig. I don't know if this bit's going to end well for us. Did you guys know that he was also an Iowa Meat Day Hay Bale Champion Toss winner? I mean, this is all, I mean, between the names. Did we know? No, but does it say it in how he plays? Look at him. Look at that guy. This should be at the combine. Dude, I'm telling you. We just need to create our own version of this. Offensive lineman. The new offensive line combine? Yes. No, it's not a combine. You're misjudging this. This is not a combine. Okay, what is it? What is it? It's just an offensive line beauty pageant contest, but it's not. It's called something different. I don't know. This guy cut the arms and legs off his shirts and shorts and just said, fuck it, I'm going to go throw the fuck out of this hay. I've never seen offensive lineman exude out of somebody's skin as much as I've seen it. even the fucking name jennings dunker are you fucking kidding me we're moving that kid's draft stock way up just on this episode alone i mean it's just like it's like a character in a movie like this isn't a but it's real life he's got the shoulder strap on to hold his ac joint in place i mean what the fuck are we looking i really like this idea of an offensive lineman like just like big essentially a beauty contest Yeah, I don't need to know how fast this guy runs. I want to see how smooth he runs. Just do a lap. Just do a lap. I want to see how smooth he walks in prances. That's what I want to see. What's the elegance of this guy? Shout out to Dunker. Bald guys. How about this nominee? Since Robert Sala has joined the Titans, he has made five additional coaching hires. The one caveat is that you must be bald. Look at this thing. He's got nothing but bald guys. I mean, I've seen all the hair go in Kansas City's office. I mean, dude, guys are, yeah, guys are dropping like flies. It's a stressful job. Stressful job. I think it's stressful. It's just long hours, man. Long hours means you're not getting much sleep, which means, you know, and also this could be by choice. Guys could just be like, you know what? I don't want to fucking deal with this goddamn hair. I'll tell you what, I'd hate to be in the stands on a sunny day between all the helmets and bald heads. That light is going to be reflecting. You're going to be blinding. Jesus Christ. Ah, damn. When you're putting Vaseline baby oil on this shit? Jesus. All right. I'm giving my stamp of the week to Dunker just because I don't even, I mean, how do you not give it to just such a beauty? Yeah. I'll give it to my guy that fucking lost his toupee, Gerald Miller, and still won the fight, baby. My boy, Gerald. How about it? How do we know he won the fight? I feel like you're just randomly saying that. There's been nothing. He did win. He did win. He did win. Confirmed. And before we get out of Stamp of the Week, we have an honorable Stamp of the Week to give out. Ooh. We talked about this a little bit earlier. Jason, you want to do the honors? We love the kids here at New Heights. That's right. We're always thinking about how we can take this show to New Heights. We decided to bring on somebody who had one of the greatest viral moments of all time after the Eagles were eliminated this year in the playoffs. 92% please welcome Sam Salvo. Let's take a look at this clip. For those of you that aren't aware, this kid has a future in the making. I mean, he's going to be on ESPN one day. He's going to have his own show. Who even thinks of this stuff? Yes, this was a huge letdown. This was my Christmas present, and I got a loss. Oh, no. Yeah, probably. I'm feeling two of two things. A, I want A.J. Brown packing his bags, and I want him somewhere else that is not here. I love you, A.J., but, like, you can't make those drops in that game. And I also want Kevin Petula flipping burgers at, like, the local McDonald's or something. I don't care. Why do you say that? Whenever he's an offensive coordinator, it's like he's flipping burgers. One side, he's cooking. One half, he's cooking. And the other half is completely raw. Dude, I just... Amazing comments from a child. Do kids in Philadelphia just come out sounding like GMs? Do they just... It's how they're born. It's how they're born. It's just... It's something in the water when they're born. As soon as they hit age eight, they know how to talk like adults. Pack your bags is something they find out when they're like three years old. Like that's what you just tell Eagles players when they don't play their best. Yeah, mom's been listening to WIP sports take. Child been in the womb the whole time. He's just catching the radio waves. So they just come out with hot takes and shitting on people. Yeah, no, it's ingrained in Philadelphia for sure. It reminds me of a gentleman named Patrick Bacon. Oh, dude. He's remarkably maturely grown up in the way he's talking, which is what makes the whole thing. It's so funny. I want A.J. Brown packing his bags. I want two things. Let me tell you how I feel about the birds right now. Two things. I'm just like, what? I got a feeling this kid's dad has been regurgitating a lot of things. He's been hearing frustrations from his dad on the drive into school every morning for the last six months. This fucking guy. Well, you're in luck, 92%ers, because we got Sam coming on the show. That's right. Sam Salvo. That is who the child is in that video. And we're going to get his take on the new Eagles offensive coordinator, hire Sean Mannion. We felt like, let's see what his opinion is on this. Yeah, let's see how he's flipping burgers too. Sam, welcome to the show. Hey, what's up? Flipping patties like the Eagles are flipping offensive coordinators, man. He's got this spatula for a microphone. All right. He's not holding back. Sam, I got to know, what were your impressions of your viral moment of your video? What did you think? And what did everybody tell you at school? Kids at school went crazy. Like, because I don't even know. Like, they just came up for no fucking reason. I don't even know, man. Oh, my gosh. All right. I got to know. Obviously, you weren't a big fan of Kevin Petulo. What do you think of the Sean Mannion hire? um i hope that he can work with jaylen better than patulo did because i think that um i think that if he could work with jordan love and make him a top tier passer in the nfl i think that maybe he could work with jaylen better than patulo oh my gosh i love this and he's done his research man sorry what is what are we thinking about aj are we still out on aj i mean ah you were pretty upset after the game yeah i was very upset but sometimes a couple weeks what what are we thinking about AJ Brown for next year? I'm not still 100% sure. I think that we could definitely build an offense around Schmitty, but I think that having someone that we can like, like sometimes rely on in some big situations to just throw to, I think that we should still have him on the team. I love that. He's a good player. Don't, don't, I know he had a rough go. I know he's had some frustrations. Hopefully that can be fixed with some new plays and offensive. By the way, what do you what do you want the Eagles to run this year what formations and schemes I want them to run um I want them to run it more to their strong side of their offensive line because like really it was this year it was more like like up the middle runs and really with um Kellen Moore we didn't see that as much and that's when Saquon had like one of the best years of all time it's not the best rushing year of all time so honestly I think that I would like if we could run more outside plays and And I think that if we could get Jalen a little bit more, like seeing the defense better and like recognizing sometimes, like because like on the last play of the game, it seemed like everyone was going to blitz. I was there and like, it seemed like everyone's going to come in like a house call blitz. I mean, if it was a house call blitz, the Goddard play would have worked, but they backed up into the zone and they batted it down. So man, you're out here watching Phil, dude. I love the commitment to the spatula. You're still talking into it like it's a microphone. Have you ever actually flipped a burger? Actually, I did last night, actually. You did go! There we go, baby! He's cooking! He's cooking! You get that thing nice and cooked. It was well done. Was it medium? Was one side raw? Oh, medium. Medium? Nice. A nice medium burger. Keep it juicy and cooked, baby. I like it. I like it, man. Well, I think it goes without saying, if football doesn't work out, you got a future in commentating, man. You are natural at this. Yeah. You got an analyst work done really well. Outside zone, the Eagles are going to run a lot more outside zone. That's what Sean Mannion and the McVay system is rooted in. Outside zone, boo. They'll still go down the middle, but, yeah, you're on top of it. I love it. Well-educated, good takes, with some flavor to it. I love it, man. That's typical Philadelphia. Do you listen to WIP? Sometimes, like when I'm in my grandpa's car. I knew it. Yeah, I knew it. I knew it. There it goes. I love it. He's a natural. He's a natural. WIP, man. Get him a segment this year, man. Once a week. See how the new OC is doing. Who's your favorite player on the birds right now? Who do you like? That's a tough question because I really like Cooper DeGene. Coop? Yep. Coop's got the juice. I probably got to go with Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter. JC, baby. That's a bad man in the middle of that defense. That's a big old sunbuck right there, man. You ever seen him in person, dude? Nah. I wish. You don't want to. Yeah. You walk up on the guy that fucking big. Oh, yeah, dude. He'd be like twice my size. How much of what you were saying after the game is stuff that your dad's been yelling at you furiously for the past six months? Absolutely nothing, actually. None of it? I came up with pretty much every single word except the part that I want A.J. Brown packing his bags because I wasn't sure 100% about that. But I'm 100%. I still want Patulo flipping burgers. No questions asked. He's sticking to it. He's sticking to it. I love it. Appreciate you, Sam, dog. Thank you for the bit that you had on the Philly news. And also, man, thank you for jumping on, dog. We'll have to circle back and see. We got to get you back. We're going to need repetitive updates. How do you feel about that, Sam? That'd be amazing. You guys are like my idols. Who's going to win the Super Bowl? Patriots all the way. Patriots all the way. I think that even though Drake May hasn't played his best ball during the playoffs, I think that he's going to come up huge in this game. That's a hot take right there, Sam. I like his hot takes. He's very direct. He's very direct. The man knows what he wants. Sam, before we get out of here, you want to give anybody a shout out? Anybody in school? Any of the homies? Yeah. First thing, can I shout out all my friends at Table C at Wasekin? Table C. And can I also shout out my friend, Derek Sanders? Derek Sanders. Shout out to DC. Derek DS. DS, there you go. Yeah, my bad. What are you shouting out to Derek Sanders? Is he just your friend? Yeah, he's my friend. And also, one more thing to say, we got merch now. So buy some merch. Buy some merch. There we go. He's a natural. Get the plug in. He's a natural. Sam, well done, brother. You killed it. We'll have to follow up and catch you next year and see how the birds are doing, man. Oh, absolutely, man. All right, dog. Enjoy the man, brother. Before you go, is Paul there? My dad, yeah. Hey, dad. Paul! One sec. Sorry, my dad's, he's a little bit slow. He's slow? All right. Don't worry about it. Here you go. What's up, boys? What's up, Paul? What's going on, big guy? Has this kid always been like this? This kid's been wild since he came out of his mom's room. Bro, this kid's crazy. We play in this touch football league down in Villanova and he coaches the team. It's like all the kids. And I go in to play quarterback because whatever. And he's screaming from the sideline. You're the biggest bum quarterback in this league. I'm like, my man, you're supposed to be coaching me. You're the fifth string quarterback on this team. I'm like, bro, don't tell me how bad I am. He gets a little nervous, but when you let him go, he's a funny cat. Oh, you can tell, man. He's a freaking firecracker, man. I love it. Well done. I'm sure that's a handful to deal with, but it's also a lot of fun, I'm sure. So way to go, Dad. That's awesome. Hell yeah. I appreciate it, boys. Yeah, it's fun. But you know what? Dad will put him in a headlock and drop him to the ground in three seconds. You got to. You got to. There we go. I do not hesitate, boys. I really appreciate you guys having him on. And it was a blast for him. He's been looking forward to it. He looks up to you guys. I don't know why, but he does for some reason. I think Travis Scott Taylor, he's like, ah, that's my guy. Jason, he's got a good beard, I guess. I love it, man. Well, well done, man. I appreciate it. Appreciate you, big guy. Appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. All righty, that's Sam Salvo and his father, Paul. I still think that Sam's probably repeating a lot of those things that Paul's saying, but either way, that kid is something else, man. You can tell. Paul, you can tell where his personality from. Put him in a headlock a few times. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Dude, that whole family. Electric. Absolutely. All righty, that wraps I'm standing with the week brought to you by Adobe Acrobat. Any more final thoughts before we close this thing out, Tramp? Super Bowl 60, we're going to be out there. A lot of things happening this week. I think we've kind of already talked about it. Obviously, huge Vrabel fans. Drake Mays got his opportunity to, you know, implement his self into, you know, Super Bowl stardom. And I just think it's going to be a great game because Julian came on here, talked about, you know, how the Patriots and their coaching staff, And they just have an ability to kind of control the pace of every game that they're in and then make the right decisions in the big plays when they need to be made on the offensive side. And that defense is good, man. And then on top of that, you've got Seattle who's got the juice. They've got the energy. They've got the excitement. They've got the big playability. They've got the ability to grind it out in the run game. It's going to be a fucking fun matchup, man. That defense flies around. I'm sure they'll make Drake Mays' job a little bit harder than it's been. I'm excited for a fucking great game, but I do think that Seattle's got what it takes to kind of come out on top on this one. I can't say I'm not here rude for Sam Darnold, man. I love that story. I love who he is as a dude, how he stayed true to the process and himself and his confidence. Right now, he's playing better than he's played all career. Could not agree more, man. Well said. I'm pretty much right there with you on everything. I do got to say, I will be out there at the Pro Bowl. I guess this is coming out Wednesday. So I'm going to be at the Pro Bowl beforehand. It is wild how this whole week has turned into not even just the Super Bowl. Like, there's all these events out there. It's, like, truly a week of almost like a convention for the NFL. Like, the whole thing. There's NFL honors, like, all of it. Yeah, there's New Heights fucking Barcade party. Come on down at New Heights, baby. Either way, enjoy the Super Bowl 92%. That wraps up this episode of New Heights. Thank you to our guests, Cooper Cub, Julian Edelman, and of course, Sam Salvo, the young up-and-coming journalist. 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They're going to, their swag, their confidence is going to be way too high. They're going to think they're fucking way too cool. Man, there is something electric about having kids on. Mr. Faiske, you're going to be flipping burgers. Do you know who you're talking to? I'm Travis Kelsey's best friend. You fucking talking to me? I dig it, though. I dig the kids' vibe. I don't know what it is about them, man. I just like the confidence. To Sam's teachers, we apologize immensely. yeah no doubt he's not walking in normal on thursday we're so sorry we're sorry but just put him straight to fucking in school detention actually don't even give him a chance to put him right against nose against the wall speaking of kids do you guys hear benny just screaming right now is that audible yeah should i try and it makes the turbo tax ad read better i think