Paige's emotional first interview since WWE return
89 min
•Apr 23, 20265 days agoSummary
Paige returns to WWE after 8 years sober and a neck surgery recovery, discussing her journey through addiction, personal crisis, and redemption with host Stephanie McMahon. The episode covers her rock-bottom moment, the role of community and therapy in her recovery, and her excitement about wrestling again at WrestleMania.
Insights
- Community and positive relationships are critical recovery factors—isolation during crisis deepens mental health struggles, while consistent support from friends and employers can be life-saving
- Public figures face amplified mental health risks from social media negativity; one negative comment can override hundreds of positive ones, requiring deliberate coping strategies
- Mentorship and tough love from experienced leaders (like Dusty Rhodes) can accelerate professional growth when delivered with genuine care and investment in the mentee's success
- Personal branding authenticity matters more than conformity—Paige's refusal to change her gothic aesthetic despite pressure led to her becoming iconic and irreplaceable
- Recovery is non-linear; returning to work after crisis requires both medical clearance and psychological readiness, with employers playing a duty-of-care role
Trends
Mental health support integration in sports entertainment—WWE's investment in counseling, therapy, and medical oversight as retention and duty-of-care strategyFemale athlete recovery narratives gaining mainstream platform—redemption stories from women in combat sports resonate with audiences and normalize mental health discussionsWorkplace mentorship models emphasizing psychological safety—leaders like Vince McMahon and Dusty Rhodes using constructive criticism paired with genuine investmentSocial media toxicity as occupational hazard for public figures—need for digital wellness strategies and boundaries to protect mental health of high-profile personalitiesPost-retirement athlete re-entry programs—WWE's structured approach to bringing back performers after extended breaks with medical, psychological, and professional supportGenerational differences in workplace communication—younger athletes (Gen Z) using different language and slang, requiring cultural translation from older mentorsCommunity-based recovery models outperforming isolation—peer support networks and accountability partners proving more effective than individual therapy aloneAuthenticity as competitive advantage in entertainment—performers who stay true to their personal brand (aesthetic, personality, values) build stronger fan loyalty
Topics
Addiction Recovery and SobrietyMental Health Crisis ManagementWorkplace Mental Health SupportSocial Media Toxicity and Mental HealthFemale Athlete EmpowermentProfessional Mentorship ModelsPost-Injury Athlete RehabilitationCommunity-Based Recovery ProgramsWorkplace Duty of CarePersonal Brand AuthenticityTherapy and Counseling IntegrationGenerational Communication DifferencesPublic Figure Privacy and ConsentCareer Comeback StrategiesLeadership and Emotional Intelligence
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Paige
Guest discussing her 8-year sobriety journey, mental health recovery, and return to professional wrestling after medi...
Stephanie McMahon
Host of the podcast; discussed her role in supporting Paige's recovery and return, including providing therapy resour...
Dusty Rhodes
Deceased mentor who trained Paige at FCW/NXT; credited with developing her promo skills and believing in her potentia...
Vince McMahon
Discussed as providing emotional support during Paige's crisis and approving her return; known for last-minute creati...
Nick Khan
Facilitated Paige's return meeting; described as intelligent, business-minded, and people-focused leader who approved...
Bob Keeler
Provided substance abuse counseling and therapy coordination for Paige's recovery; arranged additional psychiatric an...
Brad Slayer
Connected Paige with WWE leadership to facilitate her return; known for checking in on talent and maintaining long-te...
Bunny
Close friend of Paige; hosted her on live podcast tour in LA, which led to the conversation that sparked Paige's WWE ...
Renee Young
Visited Paige during her crisis period; expressed concern about Paige's mental and physical state during her darkest ...
AJ Lee
Paige's rival and storyline opponent; featured in Paige's debut and early career; subject of Valentine's Day promo me...
Rhea Ripley
Mentioned as competing at WrestleMania and participating in Fanatics Games cross-sport competition
Cody Rhodes
Mentioned as WrestleMania competitor and participant in Fanatics Games; known for allowing guests to share their stories
Quotes
"It's all right, princess. Everyone has a sex life. You know, yours just happened to be on the internet. You could be famous like Kim Kardashian."
Paige's father•Crisis moment during private tape leak
"This will always be your house. And you start this whole thing. Now go out there and enjoy the moment."
Stephanie McMahon•Before Paige's return match
"The reason why I'm hard on you is because I know you're going to be special. You are going to be a big thing."
Dusty Rhodes•Mentorship moment at FCW
"If you can change it, why are you stressed? If you can't change it, why are you stressing?"
Paige•Recovery philosophy
"Community is the most important thing around you. The people that you have, I'm so lucky and blessed to have."
Paige•Recovery advice to others
Full Transcript
Oh my god congratulations to you. Holy cow. Holy cow. Oh. Oh, it's so good to see you. Oh, what's your story? Don't you dare be sour. Clap for Stephanie and feel the power. This is a WWE and Fanatics original production. I've been working very hard on this. Congratulations. Thank you. Eight years sober. That's amazing. Wow. That's amazing. Eight years. Well, you know, the last time I was here, I was a bit of a mess. I popped two drug tests here. I was a little bit of a loose cannon. I was younger though. You can share what you want to share. Yeah. I remember at that point in time we were like putting it on Twitter and stuff. And I was like, oh. There was a lot of, and myself included a lot of concern for you. Absolutely. I know. And just, you know, because we could just see you going down a not great path. But, you know, there's no telling somebody when they're, when they want to do whatever they want to do. So exactly. But here you are. I know. Yes. I know. I remember the first time I came back to, it was 2017. I remember you just give me the biggest hug, you know, and you're like, I'm just, you actually said, I'm glad that you're still alive. I remember that. I was scared to death. I was like, yeah, me too. Yeah. You know, it's good to be here. And then having that big break in between as well, these eight years not being here, coming back. And I was like, man, I just have to get as healthy as possible when I go back there. Congratulations. I'm sure I'm eating good. Yeah. Thank you. Amen. Yes. And still in the ring, I was still blown up. I was like, oh my God, I'm blowing up my ass, dude. But yeah, like, you were just, I mean, it was another level. I just think, well, you, all those lights at Mania, you forget how hot they are. Right. And then, you know, I was just, I was just so excited. And then once I got in the ring, I was just like, oh my God, I have to try and keep up with these girls now, you know, but you did, I did, but you did, but that short stint was in the ring. How much training did you do? I did do a lot of training the week leading up though, I only went to the gym once, and I regret that so much, but I had all these other signings to do as no excuse. I went to like last weekend, you know, we went to the gym at like one in the morning just to make sure that we were going to the gym, you know, but this week, I don't have any excuses. There's something to be said for giving your body a little rest right before. Sure. Sure. Yeah, definitely. And I was trying to eat as good as I possibly could. I did eat pizza the day before Mania too, and I was like, oh no, but. Oh, you know, I can tell. You can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. You can tell. She said that yesterday actually. You know what? I was like, oh, she's bloated. I was wearing shapewear in the ring. I was wearing shapewear. You're so tiny. Now I am. I feel like I do need to put on a little bit of weight. I saw Dean Alenco, and he was just like, you're in great shape. He was like, I feel like you can put a little bit of meat on your bones. Good. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I went a little bit too serious with the way I was eating and the way I was moving. Well, you just need to add some more protein. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I need to just do more. I mean, and carbs and fat are good too. Oh, I love it. No, I'm going to eat it. Trug me. I was like, now it's, I saw myself and I was like, oh, my legs are a little skinnier than they usually are. And I was like, no, I don't like that. But you look fantastic. Thank you. So are you great? And it'll be awesome in any phase of you is amazing. I'm a chow. I'm a chow. That's a fun thing. That's a great thing to be told to you. Oh, it is. Oh, I love that. Yeah. I gave you some carbs. Yeah, no problem. I remember the first time I, this is another thing you said, I always keep things in my mind when it comes to you. You just, she's very special to me, you know, always been a total sweet. The feeling is mutual. I just, I adore you. And I remember sitting in the makeup chair and you were just like, how is your stomach still flat even when you're sitting in a makeup chair? And I was just like, oh, it made me feel so good, you know? And so like 14 years later, I was like, hey, if I'm, if I'm going back, I want Stephanie to sit down and have a just flat stomach. Yeah, totally. Yeah, maybe fill a million bucks. So it's like, you should feel very wise, very wise. And the things you say kind of like hit a lot of people. I think you, we're talking about you before you came in here, you know, about me being late. No, no, no, it's okay to be late. It's not okay. It's not okay. It's your time. But I know, but still, you made a point to call her because she was like, she felt so bad. I feel it was so nice. Yeah, you called me being like, I'm so sorry. I'm like, hey, you're the boss. I was, I feel like that's unprofessional. Yeah, I appreciate it. But for me, not for you. I'm the host. We're in the middle of WrestleMania, you guys. And she's got a billion things to do and she's 10 minutes late and she's like, I am so sorry. I'm like, hey, you got a lot on your plate right now. Well, I did. Oh, dude. Yeah. This week's been a busy one. Yeah. Tell us about it and tell us how you were feeling and how did it all come to be. You know, let me tell you the story of how it came to be because it involves Jelly and Bunny. Really? Yeah. I think one of my best friends is Bunny. I love that woman so much. We are very, very close, right? Wow. And so she... Hey, how's her book tour doing? Oh, she's crushing. Yeah. She had like six weeks in a row. She was like the New York Times bestseller. That's awesome. That's amazing. That's smashing. And I was so proud of her. But she was doing her book tour and she was doing her live podcast and she was in LA, so she texted me being like, can you come on? I was like, absolutely. Awesome. And so I get there and then, you know, her manager comes and gets me and she was like, hey, you got a friend in there. And I was like, who? And I go down there and it's Brad Slayer. So that's two-way agent. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right? And I've known him for over 10 years because of fighting with my family and stuff, you know, great guy always checks in on me every six months. That's great. I'll get a text from him. Yeah. And so he was in there and he was like, it's so great to see you. It gives me a big hug. And then Jelly was just like, I'm going to end up cussing you a little bit. But he was like, what the fuck? You know, like, when are you going to bring it back? Give her a call to your guy and stuff. And Brad looks at me and he's like, do you want to come back? And I was just like, yeah, I would love to come back. Yeah, I would love it. You know, and he was like, all right, let me make a call. So he calls Nick and within 30 minutes, you know, Nick had said, sure, let's get a meeting with her. Awesome. So a week later, he fights at LA to the WWE offices out there. I went and met him for about 10 minutes, you know, great guy. Right? Love him. Right. He is a really, really great guy. Yeah, big fan of him. And super smart, right? Super smart. And you know, talk about psychology. Yeah, he's got a business brain on him. Yeah, you know, and a people brain. Yes. He's got both. I thought I'd be intimidated by him, but going in there, he's easy going. He's easy going. Yeah. And so he's like, well, it's certain setting. He goes to things, your neck has to be okay. And we have to do a drug test, right? Cause I was like fair enough. I was like, okay, I can control the drug test. I'm clean as a whistle. And so I was like, I don't know how my neck's been. It's been a few years since I got it checked. But last time I got it checked, it was perfect. So I'm not really concerned about it. And so, you know, I fly to the next week I fly to Birmingham. Nikki was there getting her ankle. Oh, wow. Yeah. Same time. Wow, that's weird. That's super weird. I was like, what the heck? Yeah, it's like perfect timing. And so I was at the doctor there from like 545 a.m. until like three or four in the afternoon doing all these tests because I mean, you guys have to be thorough, right? Yeah. Sure, my neck is perfect. And at one point I thought I was going to, something was wrong because all the doctors around the screen just being like, you know, like, yeah, calling up the doctor. Oh my gosh, something's happening. Let me go back, you know. And then I'm exhausted just sitting there, you know, waiting for the answer. And then he comes in and he was like, you ready to go home, kid? And I was like, I bawled my eyes out. We actually have clips of it. My friend was recording it. I cried my eyes out. It was a couple of things. The fact that my neck was good. And I get, last time I was in WWE, my neck wasn't and I had to retire and I had to miss out on all these massive things like the Royal Rumble, Elimination Chamber, like all these things I didn't get to be a part of, even though I was part of the group that helped kind of. Right, yeah, you were. For sure. Yeah. And then. They made a whole movie about it. They're holding a whole movie about it. I can't forget about that thing, you know, and it's just the fact that I'm going to be okay. And I was like, wow, my neck is good. I'm happy. I'm healthy. Like everything's going right. And then, so I was bawling my eyes out, hugging the doctors, you know, actually sent Hunter a voice note being like, I'm glad, you know, and then I get another text, you know, from Stacy and she was like, all right, let's do the blood test. So I do the blood, peed a little bit too, you know, go all that out the way. And then for some reason I had in my head that, what, if I ate something like a poppy seed or something like that. Right, right. I started taking allergy medicine or something. Yeah. I don't even take an ibuprofen. Oh, wow. Like I'm so worried about any kind of like medicinal stuff, pharmaceutical stuff, which is crazy for me considering 10 years ago. I didn't care at all, you know. Right. But I really worry about that kind of stuff. So I was like, maybe I drank something that was weird. You know, I was just so worried. Anyway, I was fine. They were like, you're good, calm down kind of thing. And so yeah, I was completely cleared. And then it kind of went into negotiations. And then Mania, that was on Monday, we were getting all that done. And then this weekend was obviously Mania. So it was a bit of a like a quick turnaround. Wow, that was fast. Yeah. 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That's all I wanted and to wrestle again. Yeah. At the Royal Rumble, people thought I was coming back then. Yeah. They were going crazy. I know. I did actually hear that. Yeah. They were going crazy. If I was giving number 30, I was just like, oh man, well, the interest is still there. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a great feeling, right? It's a great feeling. Because you just never know. You never know. Yeah. And it's like, it feels pretty awful when they don't want you. Yeah. They don't care. And you're just like, oh man. And I thought I went through that stage where people stopped caring. Because that's what you thought? It was in my head. Yeah. It was in my head. People care about you. They do. Do you know why? Why? Because you're very special. Thank you. You are. This is why people cry this much. This is exactly what I'm going to do. But it's so true. Everybody feels it. And even your energy, having you sit there and be back and talk. I'm like, so excited for people to hear you and see you and see how great you look and feel and just hear about your journey and to come through everything you've come through and to still be you. Like this super cool, like 100%, 100,000% yourself. I don't think it's possible for you to be anything but you. My dad would kick my ass. I tell you what, we were doing a UK tour with WWE. And back then we had live events. We were on a grind. We were at home for one day. We were flying on Christmas. We were just on a grind. Which is grateful for it. I was really tired. I was very tired. And we landed in the UK and there was a ton of fans outside. And I wasn't rude to him, but I was like, I'm going to bed. I'll be back down later. And my dad didn't like the tone of the way I said that. So he's like, sorry for cussing again, but it is my dad. He was like, get your fucking ass over there and you sign those all back. He was like, pay your bills. I do this. I'm like, okay, in front of all the fans. I'm like, I'm sorry, dad. I'm like, sign those all back. So I was like, okay, I should never do that. But I also remember, he taught me people remember the way they make you feel. That's right. So they may not remember the things that you said, the things that you do, but they remember that feeling that you did. They sure do. 100%. So that moment for them, they'll remember for the rest of their life. But I had an experience when I was a kid, this bitch. Oh! Oh! Let me tell you. Emma Bunton from the Spice Girls. No! I've given us this. What happened? Let me tell you. So let me paint a picture for you. I was in the early nineties, right? I was a kid, early nineties. And my mom and dad were on the same show as her, this morning show in the UK. And she signed an autographs for everyone's kid, the staff's kid and stuff like that. My mom died, like, rough couple, you know. I get it. But they go up and they're like, can you sign this for my door? And she was like, no. And it broke my heart. Wait, why'd she do that? I don't know. She signed for everybody else. She wouldn't sign for me. So have you ever spoken to her? So yeah, I did tweet her. I was just like, hey, if you want to make- Oh, but not that you didn't see her. No, no, no. I tweeted her. And I was like, if you want to make up for not signing an autograph for me, like, you know, 30 years ago, I'd appreciate if you came to the Wembley show. And she was like, she responded in, she was like, I am so sorry. That's not how I am. And all that kind of stuff. I was like, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. But I was like, you're in a child right there. Yeah. Sporty Spice would never do that. Yeah, Sporty Spice would never. Never. Never. She would never do that. I love her. But yeah, like it really did. And that kind of stuck with me. I guess she's human too, right? She could have had a bad day. Everyone has a bad moment. Yeah. That's why I don't try and judge if someone's not being their self for a second. I'm just like, hey, they're just having a moment. It'll pass, you know? And I think sometimes it's like, you just don't know, if you don't know someone and they do that, you don't know they're just having a bad day, right? Exactly. You like assume that's the way they are the whole time. Exactly. But I don't know why it's easy for human nature to assume the worst in others. Oh, you know, I like, what is that? I don't know. You always believe the bad stuff over the good stuff. And it's always, I always say it's always easier to be a heel over a baby face because it's easier for people to hate you than like you. And I never understand that with human nature because I would never be the kind of person that would comment on someone's post and be like, you are ugly. Right? You know, I'm like, what goes through your head when you do something like that? I just, I don't understand why it's human to believe the negative stuff like that. Yeah, I know. It's hard. I've stopped reading my ex feed. You should. Yeah, I mean, I'll still look at it for news and stuff like that, even though I don't love the super algorithm of everything. Yeah. And I mean, in general, across all social, like I, in one hand, it's fun, but I used to miss getting a bunch of different types of thinking. You know, like I like to see different perspectives, right? Yeah, a lot of different sides. Because I feel like that's the best way for me to learn. So I don't like only being fed one perspective. Yes. I'm crazy. So I have to go search it. Yeah. But I hate that. I understand completely with Twitter, especially, it's like you ghost and post. Kind of thing. Yeah. Post and ghost. It's just easier that way. Yeah. It's with the, the Cavendure twins taught us when we asked, because they're like influencers on social and that was their advice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like, again, people could be so negative and like right now. I mean, I mean, I mean, that was one thing I was, I was shooting for unreal. Yeah. I was shooting for unreal. And I said, the one thing that I'm most stressed about is how mean fans can be on social media. And I was like, I don't want them to deter me in any way because they do. They can attack you. But right now, I think it's been really, really positive and I have been like kind of doom scrolling a little bit. I know, I know. I was like, oh, I can't help it because everyone's on their reactions. I know, I love it. But that's the thing. We all love the feedback, right? Everyone loves the feedback. But then you can't help how your like soul gets crushed. When you start reading some of the mean stuff, the one negative. Yeah, you can have a hundred positive that one negative. You're like, wow, I suck. I'm awful. I'm the worst. Yes, exactly. And meanwhile, what my husband always says, and I think I've said on this podcast is he goes, would you ask that person for advice? That's true. About anything? Like, no. No. So why do I care? What they think exactly like trying to stir trouble anyway. Exactly. They want to react. They're what's it called? Rage beating. Rage. Yes. They get me. So I'm learning. Yeah. Three kids, three three girls. Yeah, I'm learning to even I like the the language or whatever. I know there's a whole other. It does constantly. Yeah, my niece and their family and actuality of words is not a thing. Oh, yeah, I have no idea what's going on. They like make up words. Yeah, I think it's OK. The six seven. I'm like, I get it drives me nuts. I don't know what that's just being out of age. OK. OK, but it's cool for them. Not cool for me. It's very cool for them. Yeah, they get it. They get it. It drives me nuts. What Nick Khan always says is when you start, you know, you're starting to get older when music and technology. Oh, yeah. You know, when you just you can't get to what you love. Like what are these young kids listen to? Just noise. Yeah. Back in my day, we used to have real music. Yeah. Yeah. Jackie and I learned this morning that instead of saying like, what is this shit? You say, what is TS? What is TS? TS. So you don't say this shit, which is like, OK, you don't swear, but you have to say TS now. What is this shit? A commonly said phrase? Or like, I'm sick of TS. I'm over TS. Fair enough. I mean, that just can't. I mean, you just think it is. I know. They're just lazy. Yeah. Well, there was this one time I was at this music festival and this girl was like, can I take a point five with you? And I'm like, yes, it's a particular type of picture. Yeah. And I'm like, you mean just a photo? Like, yeah. No, but what is the point five do I forget? It like zooms out. Oh, yeah. I'm like, this isn't flattering though. Yeah. Actually, no, you can't. Who wants a good wide angle lens? Not me. From the background. Oh my gosh. Not excited about that. But we were being explained this new phrase in Jackie and I were like, but why not? Oh wait, who's explaining it? My girls? Perhaps. Maybe. So they're often saying what is the shit in your house. I guess they say it when I'm not around. I feel like we sounded so old. We're like, well, why don't you why can't you just say it? Why don't you just say it out? Right? We couldn't get it. I don't know. I had someone say this food was gas. And I didn't know if that was a good or a bad thing. I haven't heard that one. Yeah. This this food is gas. And I was like, so it is a good thing. Yeah. It's a good thing. I'm trying to think. Yeah. Gas always sounds like a terrible thing. Trying to think of the word I used to describe one of the fellow members on her team, she's going to cringe when she hears this, but it was super positive. She's disgusting. She's disgusting at her position. Oh, that's a good thing. And I was like, that's a good thing, right? And she's like, oh yeah. Oh yeah. She's just disgusting. I'm like, oh yeah. She is. She is pretty good. My new legacy title is an original, fully custom designed from the ground up to commemorate my career inside and out of the WWE ring. The belt features 907 crystals, golden metallic prints, a black velvet strap, and the center and side plates contain artwork in reference to the McMahon family crest. You can get my legacy belt now at WWE shop and fanatics. Dude, I will say. I have always, this is like a complete conversation change in a second. I've just, since you started this podcast, I have been dying to come onto it. You're kidding. No, I'm being dead serious. So you should just like text me. I know, but I don't want to invite myself. You know, hey, can you do me this favor and let me come on? No. Come on. You wouldn't be doing your favor. Yeah, you're doing us a favor. No, I just like, I just really thankful to be on here because I've been wanting, I've been dying to get on this suck up row. Well, I hope we don't. I hope we don't disappoint. Make debut. I do debut as win championship. They're right. Amen. That's a t-shirt. Make debut as win championships. Yeah, I can't help myself. Gosh, that's right. Yeah, everyone's really positive about it. They're good. We're good. I know one actually thought it was going to happen. I mean, some did. Yeah, because me and Bri aren't actually like that's the thing. I didn't know it was going to happen. Yeah, at all. It was a surprise. Yeah, they thought maybe Bailey and Lyra or, you know, which, okay, sorry, ADHD brain right now. I'm going all over the place. It's good. But Lyra actually predicted me winning the Divas Championship all those years ago. No. She was a big fan of AJ and I and she had tweeted a long time ago. It was 2014, the day before I was supposed to debut. She was like, I predict that Paige is going to debut tomorrow and she's going to take the championship away from AJ. I was like, how did you know that? And then like all these years later we were in a match together and I thought that was really cool. So many full circle moments. Yeah. Right? Right? Crazy. Sorry, I have ADHD so I do go all over the place. No, I'm with you. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. No, no, I love it. I love it. We're here to talk about you anyway. Me. Yes. So I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me. No, thank you. Thank you so much. Tell us a little bit if you, you know, whatever you want to share, whatever you feel comfortable sharing, whatever you want to talk about, not to steal that line from you, Cody, but you know, it is about your story and your journey. And yes, there was a movie about it, right? And then there's this long period of time where people don't know, you know, sort of what was going on with you. I think, you know, you hit a low, really low. I hit a rock bottom. Yeah. No pun intended. And what was that, whatever you feel comfortable describing what that was like for you, but most importantly, what was the climb out? Oh my gosh, yes. So you know, I got into a bit of trouble when I was younger, you know, like I started drinking and partying with the wrong people, you know, and then I ended up having like a certain relationship that wasn't the healthiest, you know, and like I kind of relied on the drugs when it comes to that too. And then on top of that, these tapes get released, you know, from when I'm 19 years old, which is I never wish that on anybody. I was so humiliated. And I'm so sorry. I was devastated and it is very hard to talk about, but also like it's weird. It's hard in these settings to talk about, but I can joke about it behind the scenes. Well, because you're joking about it. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, I'm very quick to joke about it. But yeah. It's a defense mechanism. It is. Yeah, and a survival tactic. Yeah, exactly. And I just remember when they got released, I was on drugs in that innocent relationship and then there was at my neck as well. It was my neck surgery. And so I wasn't at work. But I remember you guys were constantly reaching out to me and they were like, we can't help you unless you tell us what's going on. We cannot help you unless you want the help. But we want to help you, you know, so they kept reaching out and I was like, I'm fine. I'm fine. And you guys even like flew me out to Connecticut and sat down with me and was just like, you have to talk to us. You have to let us help you. And I'm like, I'm fine. And then I remember you bringing me to a Tampa raw and you did this whole medical checkup on me because I got really skinny. I'm mad to my hair. I was very skinny. And I remember like I had to put my arms on the wall so they could see like the bones in my back and stuff just to see. And they were like, we want to help you, but you can't, we can't unless you want us to. And I'm just like, I'm fine. You know, eventually. And so I went through that really awful stage and I was actually talking to Amy Lea today and she was just talking about that time in my life. And you know, she would, she would be like, her and Renee would talk about even in like as a jokie way, but it's like a harmless joke. But she was like, which one of us is going to have to go rescue her from the trunk of a car? You know, like that kind of thing. And I remember Renee coming to see me in the middle of that time. Riving on the square. Huh? Riving on the square. Yeah, exactly. And so Renee came and saw me and she said after the fact, she was like, I've never felt such an intense, weird feeling being around you. Because usually it's like very comfortable and stuff. She was like, I was just so worried. And I cut out all my family. I cut out all my friends. I cut out you guys, you know, because I was convinced you guys hate, you know, I was convinced no one wanted me around. I was convinced, you know, I was alone. And then when these tapes came out, you know, I ran out of the house door, took off, kept running, running, running, running. And like, I see the first thing come up, the second thing come up and I'm like, and again, I wasn't in the best situation. And so I was like, I ran. So I run and I run outside this grocery store and I hide in this bush and I'm like, if where are you, what country are you in? In Texas. Oh, I mean, yeah, which is its own country. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm in San Antonio, Texas and I, and I hide in this bush and I said, if my dad is not okay with this, because I'm being like, people are humiliating me online. It is bad. It was bad. I'm reading it and I'm just like, I'm sick. And I'm like, oh my gosh, people can see me. They can see you. And I made mistakes in these videos and stuff that I would never do. You know what I mean? Like it's just, it's your private life. It's my private life. Yes. And you're allowed to have a private life. Yeah, I was young at the age of 19 years old. And so like, I, it's gonna be really hard. She fucking got me. She fucking got me. God damn. I was just talking about this. I was like, oh no. Sorry. No, you take your time. Take your time. Damn it. I'm not going to cry in front of people. So I see, I hide in this bush and I say, I call my dad and I was like, if my dad doesn't accept me for this, I'm going to kill myself. That was it. You know, I was like, I can't be here anymore. So again, I was at a stage. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. I was at a stage of feeling like I was completely alone and I felt like my dad is my life, you know, and if he can't accept the fact that these tapes are out, I don't know. If I just, I was ready to do it. I was done. And so I, I called him and he was fucking fantastic. He was fucking fantastic. He goes to me, it's all right, princess. He was like, everyone has a sex life. You know, yours just happened to be on the internet. And he goes, you know what? You could be famous like Kim Kardashian. And I'm like, true. It could work in your favor. I was like, how the fuck do you know Kim Kardashian? I was like so confused. And he saved my life that day. He saved my life. He absolutely saved my life because I was ready. Like I was doing everything I can just to not be in this fear anymore. And I was just, that was the lowest I've ever been in my life, lowest. And I never thought I'd reach that point of like wanting to do harm to myself. But I had reached it and my dad saved my life. Yeah. What would you say to people who are feeling the same way you did? Yeah, they can all learn. Absolutely not. You convince yourself that you're alone. You are not alone. And the best thing you can have, and he learned this in therapy thanks to you guys getting me therapy, is a community is the most important thing around you. So the people that you have, like, man, I'm so lucky and I'm so blessed to have. The most positive, like, the most positive influences around me, the most happy people around me and my two best, my two best friends, when I got, when I made the call to you guys, I was like, I want to come home. The first time I came back, you guys bought my flight. You got me home back to Orlando. I moved in with two of my best friends, Joey and Raquel, mentioned their names through. Amazing. But I moved in with them so they can make sure that I was safe and that I wasn't doing anything stupid. And they got so cool with me. Wow. It was really great. I had that community and then you guys got me this. Yeah, think about the influence you had on them. Oh man, yeah, they're still sober to this day. It's really great. And they moved to LA with me. They've just always been my life support, my people 100%. And then you guys got me a drugs and alcohol counselor, Bob Keeler. Yeah, I love Bob. Oh man, I love that guy. And I would call him about relationship problems. I would be like, Bob, I know this is your job, bro, but I need to speak to you. I'm so glad. Oh man. He was the best and I could call him at any point of the day. And then he arranged a psychiatrist and a different therapist where they don't even touch you. They're just doing this energy thing around you. Really? He got me, I was speaking to three therapists a week, including him. And I had extreme PTSD. And this is what you needed? That's what I needed. Yeah. I think community is the most important, you guys. Like that is like, people love you. They don't push anyone away. Do not. Do not. And the people that see anyone in that position, don't walk away from them. Keep trying hard. I know that you need to wait for their switch to flip in their head, but eventually they will wake up and it's important that you be there for them. It's really, really important. And luckily I had that community. But I remember I had really bad PTSD coming out of all that. And again, the person that I was with or whatever, and my whole body would start shaking. Like it was really bad. And I still get the shakes now, but it's less than it was. And I remember the first day I was coming back after everything, after that year and half, it just pure hell. I was finally going to come back and it was the, I'm back. Did you miss me? And that's when Stephanie, I was, before I went out, I was crouched down on the floor and she had picked me up. She came over, she was like busy, but she came, she picked me up. She gave me this big hug. She whispers in my ear, this will always be your house. And she goes, and you start this whole thing. Now go out there and enjoy the moment. And she said, and then just stand there and just let it breathe. She's like, don't talk. If they're loud, don't talk. Just let it breathe. And I was like, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I got this, right? And I go out there and the crowd just erupts and it was freaking fantastic. But I remember an hour before, well not an hour, a couple of hours before that, I couldn't even walk in the building. I had to text TR at the time that we had Mark. And I was like, I can't come in there. I can't, I can't come in there. And he comes and gets me and he puts his arm around me and my whole body is just like, like, I was so scared. I was so scared of what everyone thought of me. And I still had, even with the therapy in the back of my head, that I was disgusting. Not in the good way you guys. Not in the new way. Not in the new way. No, not the new way. But I thought, I was like, I was disgusting. I thought people didn't like me. I thought you guys hated me. Like, man, you made me feel so great. Like you gave me the warmest hug. I mean, you did it again today. You gave me the warmest hug. I gave me the warmest hug. Vince gave me the warmest hug. Like you guys were just like, I'm just glad you're alive. You know, and we're happy that you're home. You know, unfortunately we've seen it go the other way. I know. And you're so special. Thank you. And it's like, we can see it from afar because it's, you know, it is a pattern. It's a vicious cycle that happens to some people. Yeah. You know, and in some people also, it's because of the fame. It's, it's everything that goes with that much attention. Right. The negative comments now probably make that even worse. Right. 100%. But it's like, it's a lot to handle that kind of attention and energy all the time. And everybody knows who you are. And like if you misstep and especially, and most of them are very young. Yeah. Right. So it's like, of course you're going to say stupid shit sometimes. And of course you're going to have a bad day or whatever. And then you're judged like as evil, the most evil person of all time. And you deserve to die. Yes. And it's like, it is that dramatic though. Yes. It is. Like you just feel, oh my God, you can make a silly like, like comment about something. And then all of a sudden like you're, yeah, they're so. You could misspell something. Yeah. Oh, sorry. And we're talking about these young kids. They don't care how they spell, but it's like it is anything. 100%. Yeah. People are really. Some people. Some people. Yeah. Like the majority right now, you guys are being amazing. Thank you so much. But we'll see how you are next week. All right. It takes like one week for you guys to flip. We know all about that honeymoon period. Yeah. Mine's quick. Mine's always super fast. Yeah. I'm not reading it next week. But yeah, going out, but going out in public as well after all of that. Yeah. I was like, I can't imagine. I was so impressed. So how did you handle that? Oh man. I mean, how, like, how did you get to the other side of, I mean, because there's nothing you can do. Nothing. Right. It's out there. Can't change it. Yeah. And really who gives a shit? Right. Right. At the end of the day, right? But that's. Not easy. Yes. And you're at rock bottom. So your dad saves your life. Now, how do you get over this? Yeah. It was a quote that I really like and it says like, if you can change it, why are you stressed? Why are you stressing? If you can't change it, why are you stressing? And so like, I, like, I kept that in the back of my mind, even though it was very hard to live by. I kept that in the back of my mind. But just walking the street, I was very embarrassed. And then I remember this one time I was like, in this bar with my friends, not drinking, but I was in this bar eating and stuff like that. And someone was drunk, came up to me and he was like, oh, you're the fucking porn star. And I was like, I like froze, ran into the bathroom, cried my eyes out. Sobs. Cause I was like, that's what I'm going to be remembered for. Nothing that I've done, all these good things that I've done in wrestling or whatever, the reality show, like doing all these things. That's what I'm going to be remembered for. So that I had that in the back of my mind too. But all I kept thinking is just like, I've reached rock bottom and I never want to see it again. Yeah. And I was like, and you guys actually helped me big time. So yes, I came back. Yes, within six weeks, I had to retire from wrestling completely. And everyone was scared at that point within six weeks. That you were, yeah. I was going to head back. Yep. I was like, no. But you guys took me aside and you were like, so I had to do the retirement speech, which I'm so thankful Vince gave me that opportunity because not many women back then got to do a retirement speech. You know, so I was like, wow, I can't believe I'm doing this, you know. And, and then I got pulled to the side and they were like, okay, we need you for Smackdown. And I'm like, why don't I wrestle anymore? You know. And so I was trying to keep that positive mentality. I'm like, well, they're not going to need me anymore. And I was in my head and stuff, but I wasn't thinking about drinking or doing drugs. Good. I was like, I'd reached. Like, you know, the other side. Yeah. The other side for that one. But I was still, everyone was still very worried about me. So everyone was kind of babying me like you came in and I feel like you guys definitely helped me big time. When I came back the next day was like row dog and the writers and everyone like kind of cornered me in the corner. Like, okay, you're going to be GM. And I was like, oh my God, this is great. You know, and then they were like, but you can't tell anyone. And I'm like, fuck. So it was like, and your brother was the one that introduced me. Yeah. It was just like the crowd erupted and that kind of gave me a new fire. Yeah. And it got me really excited to come to work because it was something completely new. Right. I wasn't in the division anymore. So I didn't have to worry about, oh, it's my time to get cut and do like all that kind of stuff. The matches, I used to have to worry about the five or six promos I had to do live that day, which is intimidating. And it's like, you remember those days, Jackie? Yeah. I must say, I don't feel like the gift of gab is a problem for you. Oh man. Oh, I can talk. I can. Yeah. That's what I can do. But trying to remember everything like we know, I know. Yeah. It's very nerve-racking. It was tough. It was tough. I mean, you do it perfectly. I already say you're one of the best promos ever. You and Paul Heyman. I always say that. All I even do. Chef's kiss. But you're so good at it. And so like, you know, I get on the mic and I'm not as good as you, but I can, yeah, I can do it. That's all you need to be able to do. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I'm like, I can cover it. Don't worry. That was the thing. I mean, and it got to the point. Well, go ahead. No, no, no, no, you can get it. No, no, but like for promos, it was, I mean, there was one day I remember specifically where, and I don't mean to, I'm not saying this in a negative way, but it was like just a time period where maybe scripts changed or whatever. And I had this whole promo that I hadn't seen all day. And the person who was responsible for it would share it with me until it was approved by Vince. He approved it in the commercial break before my entrance. And then that person runs off to go print it. I'm like, I turned it and I looked at him and I'm like, so I'm going out there in about a minute and a half. And then the commercial break before my entrance, this person just ran to print the promo. Can you please tell me what you want me to say? Oh, my, did you nail it? What's that? Did you nail it? I did, I got the points, I got the points, yeah, but that's the thing, you got to just You have to learn But stick the points in your head, and then you can figure out the rest, you know? Well, there was this other time, thanks to your dad, he had given me a promo for AJ, and the fans loved this promo for some reason, thank gosh, I remembered it, but it was like a Valentine's card. Yeah. I want you to go out there and read a Valentine's card to AJ and there's this whole poem in it and the writers gave it to me like, luckily like an hour before and I was like, great. And I was like, you know what I should do? I should practice this on my head, just in case he takes it away from me, you know? Right? Because you know what he was like? Yeah, yeah. I was like, things would change on a dime. Yes. And so as I'm about to walk through the curtain, he stands up, he goes, right, get out of here. And I was like, okay. And he goes, you don't need that. Yeah, he loved it the last minute. Fuck, he goes, give me that. And he was like, you don't need that. Nice. And I was like, oh my God. Give it to me. I need it. Yes, please. And luckily I went out there and I remembered it because I just, I got so used to him changing things so quickly. Yeah, you got to be prepared. You got to be prepared. Right? That's it. You just got to try to imagine every possible scenario and prepare for it. The thing is he would always still find the one thing I didn't prepare for. Like I would have a business plan. I'd have everything all mapped out and I tried to poke holes and think through. No, no, it's amazing. The knack, right? Oh. I thought of every scenario I could and it's just experience as the best teacher, right? 100%. Because I don't know all of the situations. I only knew what I had lived through at that time. So I would come make the presentation. I think I nailed it. And he would always, and he was great. Like he would always listen and we'd get to the end and he'd go and it would always be a pause, like a good 36. Oh, God. And he'd be kind of just very thoughtful, right? And then he'd go, what about this? And it's like, why are you doing this to me? Why did you have to ask about that? Like I didn't think about that. Well, sir, I'll get back to you on that one. That's the worst feeling in the world. It's the worst. It's the worst. And you know what really? To feel unprepared. Yeah. You know what? Even though you went in with 20 possible backup plans. Yeah. You know, he'd always find the one. He always finds it. Yeah. And you know what drained? Like we had FCW before NXT, you know. And so the thing that really helped was rest in peace to this king right here, but Dusty Rhodes. Yes. Absolutely. He, I remember my first promo ever at FCW. Can I ask you a question before you tell this story? Did you know of Dusty? Like when you were growing up as a part of a wrestling family in England, were you? Oh, yeah, son of a plumber. Okay. All right. I wasn't sure. I was sure. I was different. Okay. So go ahead. And he like, he like was very hard on me, but because he loved me so much. Yeah. And he saw something in you. Yeah. He would always say like, you're not like, you know, the rest of the girls, like you're something special. And he, he was so great, but he would freaking give me a hard time. I tell you, I've got a couple of Dusty stories. So the first one is I just get there. I'm like 18 or 19 years old, you know, I'm baby and, and it's intimidating to do a promo in front of your peers. So the first day I'm there, I'm doing it. That's the most intimidating. That's the most intimidating. And so I go up there and I do like, you know, the generic promo, like you see in the movie and stuff. And he was like, oh good. And then he goes, uh, uh, Roman, we used to, we used to be called Learkey back then. He was like, Learkey baby, get up there. I just met this guy, you know, and he's like, okay, like, he didn't have to do anything. He just had to sit in a chair and then I had to pretend that he dumped me and stole my toaster. I had to like do this whole promo while he's just sitting there like, you know, I was like, I was like, God, this is terrible, but it was intimidating. And he would do that all the time. And then he'd be like, okay, baby, you've got an invisible letter and you, you have to go through all the stages of emotion. Like your reading it was always a breakup. Wow. You always a breakup. He just probably thought that was relatable. Yeah. So I had to do all these different like happy sad, mad, like all these kind of things. And then there was just one day where he was like, I need you to be the mysterious Raven head lady. Right. And I was like, okay. And then he was like, I want you to say a lot without saying anything. And I'm like, okay. How do I do? Okay. And then at one point I got, and this, we had moved to the PC at this point and I was just really frustrated. I didn't have any creative in my head. I was like mad as hell. And I delivered this terrible promo. I admit it. It was bad because I was being lazy with it. I was like, I can't think of this promo that you keep on wanting me to do and none of it is good enough. You know? So he was like, I asked you for chicken dinner and you give me chicken shit. And I was like, fuck you, motherfucker. And I stand up and I run off and I run upstairs in the PC, you know, into the locker room. And then all of a sudden about like a minute later, I hear a knock at the door and he was like, is my porcelain princess in there? I love it. I opened the door and I'm like, I'm really sorry, Dusty. He's like, sit down. So we sat on the step and he goes, first of all, nobody calls me a motherfucker. And I was like, I am so sorry, Dusty. And then he went into his big spill. He's like, the reason why I'm hard on you is because I know you're going to be special. You are going to be a big thing, you know? And you should, you should treat these promo classes like you're in front of 10,000 people or 80,000 at WrestleMania or whatever, you know? And he's giving me this big spill. Yeah. And then he gives me a big hug, you know, and he tells me, you know, don't call him a motherfucker anymore. But I was like, you've heard enough. You're my boss. Yeah. I like respect him. But I was like, yeah, I'm really sorry, Dusty. And I promise I'll deliver the next time. And so the next promo I did, I went completely out of my comfort zone and I sang. Really? Yeah. I was like, fuck it. I'm going to do something completely opposite to what he's asking me. Wow. Just so I could get more comfortable again. Sure. Sure. And then we did this promo at the end. We just sang together and it went really well. It was like, this is great. This is what I want to see. You know, and I was like, okay, but you asked me for mysterious and all that kind of stuff. I was like, whatever, Dusty, like this is what you want. That's good. So then I started just doing promos where I would take scene that movies, you know, or just reenact them or do something a little different. I did some stuff with Bailey. I remember a bunch of these promos got leaked onto the internet. Oh yeah. And there was one where like, I did, I did a promo with Bailey when she was still doing the hug a gimmick with the Scylone. And it turned me into like the scream queen, you know, where I was just like, I'm a big fan of you, Bailey. I love you. I give her a hug and she rejects me. And I'm just like, take my hair out and scream and stuff. And like, I just had so much more fun with it because I kind of just... That was the whole point. That's what he was trying to get you to do. Exactly. And we'd have like Christmas where we do karaoke and stuff like that. I miss him so much. Yeah, I know. I miss him so much. He was so great and he was so knowledgeable and so talented and he stuck up for us a lot. Yes. He had our backs every single time. He was so great. He's a great leader. Oh man, so great leader. So great. I miss him. I miss him a lot. And funny. So funny. Such a character. Oh man, he's so funny. I mean only in our business. Yes. Yeah. Yep. Oh my God. No. You got it. Yeah. Oh my God. Can you turn it up? Why? I like to wear my hair in the last week. I like furs. I can see that. But I know one more thing that you like. This guy is ready to give it to you. What? A hug. No. No. Look at me. I'm sorry. You guys are so young. I know. I'm not going to talk to you. You look like you're a king. Freak. Freak. Oh my God. Little scruffy girls. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. My hair feels like- My hair feels- My hair feels- My hair feels- I'm like, I always remember he shook my hands and welcome aboard and I was like, oh my God. Like, it shook my head. You were different and special. You just don't understand. Thank you. But at the time I was just like, I was just like, I was just like, I'm a little gothic and little leaner. You're just yourself. Yeah. And the trainer at the time down there, he's not there anymore, but he was convinced I had to be like a diva. He was convinced. He was like, you need to wear color. And I was like, okay, I'm trying, but the reason why I got signed was because of the way I look, you know? And so I kind of pushed back a little bit. And then he was telling me that I couldn't do my scream on my entrance and stuff. And I was just like, well, it's kind of, you know. My gimmick. My gimmick. And Dusty was just like, no, no, no, no, no, she needs to do this. She needs to do this. So they would bicker about it all the time, but he was like, no, I'm the head coach. I know she's not supposed to scream or dress like that. And so you guys had, we would be brought up on the rain bra every time you come to Florida. Like just to visit Aurora Smackdown, right? And so there was a roar there and I wore a blue dress because I thought I had to wear some color, you know? So I wore this blue dress and I'm super pale with this blue dress. I used to be way more pale than this. Like I was, I was sickly pale. The porcelain princess. The porcelain princess, baby. I love that. And so like, I thought I was really proud. I'm like, I look like a diva. I look like a diva, right? And I was so proud of myself. And I thought my trainer at the time was gonna be proud of me. And then afterwards we all get back to the training facility and he talks to all of us saying, everyone did a great job and stuff. And he goes, I just want to give one person their flowers. They went above and beyond, did exactly what I asked them for. And I'm really freaking proud of them. So, Summer Ray, and he tells us Summer Ray. I know she's got beautiful, you guys. She had blonde hair, she's tan. I remember her, yeah. Diva, you know, like just your typical, like stunning diva woman. And I was crushed and I was like, I will never. You'll never be able to. Yeah, I'm never gonna make you happy. I'm never gonna please you. I'm gonna be completely myself. I'm gonna stick to it. Like, and at the time there wasn't anybody like me. No. I was like trying to change for Trina. 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Yeah, so, geez, okay. Well, after all that, you know, no, I don't even know where I finished up. So I guess... It was community. Yeah, community was the biggest. Coming back to work again. Yes. You guys kind of just taken care of me, but community's the number one. And what about positive thoughts? Oh, that's so important. That's so important. And I find it still hard to this day to think positively all the time. And I feel like maybe not everyone believes that what you put out in the world you receive, but I do believe that. So I was like, when I was putting out negative stuff, only negative stuff came my way. Because it's the law of attraction. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So eventually I'm like, okay, I need to be more positive. And it's easier to send the done, trust me, I still get in my head sometimes. But yeah, thinking positive thoughts consistently will help you big time. 100% going outside. I know it's like, everyone says, go outside and touch grass, whatever. No, go outside and touch grass. Yeah, no it does. It's grounding. Yeah, it is, it's very grounding. So just being out there, being active. When I get homes, I do get in the rut, because I travel all the time. I do these sign ins and now I'm back on the road with you guys. I don't know how long, the travel schedule is gonna be, but I'm busy all the time. This part, she's having busy. As I went home, I just kinda like to rot on my couch. Yeah, me too. I just wanna kinda be alone. You do, you don't wanna see anybody. You wanna rot on the couch, you wanna deem square, you wanna just do me. I wanna cuddle with my dogs. My dogs, don't let me start, I miss them so much. And this is not the order and cuddle with my kids. Yeah. It might be. I am missing my dogs right now that my kids are here. Oh, you just, you have the big dogs. I have big dogs, yeah, you do too. They're the best huggers. Yeah, they are, they're the best. They're big, slurry, gross messes on my walls. It gets everywhere. They're on the ceiling. Yes, people don't understand, because the jowls. Yes. Yes, the jowls are so long that they flip up when they shake their head. Everywhere, I can't wear black a lot of the time, because I'll just get little snail trails on my leg. It's lovely. Every time I'm at her house in black, he comes, Gus. Well, and Gus, he hasn't been neutered yet, and he kinda has a thing for Elise. Oh, little, he getting humped? He starts licking her arm, and then he's like, oh, and then I get scared, because he's a massive dog. You're like, I can't fight you off, buddy. You gotta do it. Step. What do you have to do? She's just laughing. She let him finish. She let him finish. Yeah, just let him finish. Just let him finish. But he just puts his big, sweet face on my arm. Oh, and he's sweet as in me. And big, sweet face, and walks away, and my arm is just, it's fine. Yeah. And then he wants you to hold his bone for him, so he can chew it. And by the end, his whole lip is hanging over your wrist. Totally. It's just dripping down. It's so gross. Your hands in his mouth. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I have a dog like that, too. Oh, yeah, it's disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting. I have onezies for anyone that comes in my house. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm protecting you. Oh, at least we should get a suit, please. Yeah. No. Onezies, onezies. I do. I have like a, I got Thanksgiving when I had a friend's giving at my house. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was like, hey, you're safe. And my biggest dog. What do the onesies look like? So the onesies, oh. I'm picturing scrubs that they put. Right, right. Then we find these ones. So do they even bother getting dressed up because they know they're gonna put on a dead onezies? There's no point. Let me find this onezie. I put it in here. Oh, here. I like the fair and blue. This is the ones I go off Amazon. Oh, sorry. Big preach. Like PJ onesies. But I must say they're very hot. There we go. They're hot as hell. But I like my house very cold. Oh, okay. Yeah, I like it cold. I feel like you sleep better in the cold. Is it too hot in the suit? No. No, it's fine, right? Like, is it worth it that I'm helping myself? Except for, I'm not in those for, I'm sorry about that. I said I would be tripping sweat and a fleece one. Oh yeah. Like, is this worth it? Well, we did it for our family for Christmas. Like I always get, you know, the Christmas PJs. Yeah, of course. And this one year I had done those. And everybody like, my poor in laws were like taking it off and sweating and like just it was bad. Like everybody was so hot. Well, that's what I, Zach, actually my makeup was. Yeah, I like it freezing. But he did this thing where he put all the onesies in the dryer and he melted them all. So I had to give them to everybody. And they're like itching and stuff like that. But he's so crispy. It was a nightmare. I was like, Zach, you were, he was just trying to fluff them. He showed you something sweet. Yeah. I wasn't just one, you know. But he was just trying to fluff them, make them warm, make them de-wrinkle. I was just like, but now everyone's itching. Yeah. It was very sweet. Yeah, you got a dry man low. Yeah. Hang dry. You took it for the team. Yeah, he did. He did. What a guy. He's been my makeup artist for nine years. I stole him from Total Divas. Wow. Yeah, I stole him from Total Divas. Wow. Take him everywhere with me. That's great. My emotional support human. Yeah. I'm sick of it. I bet. I bet. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It keeps me positive. But I bet you're there for him too. Yeah, I try to be. Am I? That's a friendship. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to answer for you. You can't be together nine years and not. It's a long time. Not have a relationship. Yeah, he's a good guy. He takes care of me. And that's great. I love you. Oh. He's doing heart hands. I always forget what we're talking about because we go all over the place. Well, I do. Well, no, it's good. Yeah, we can start. We're climbing up. We're climbing up. So back to the first question. How do I get out of this? So here's where we are. Here's where we are. Community and positive thoughts. Community and positive thoughts. And now, is there a third? So let me ask you a question. Is faith a part of your healing? It is for some, not for others. You know, it never was. I'm very open-minded to it though. I went for a stage. I got raised in a house. My dad's a religious man. And he never forced that on me. But anytime I had religious studies or whatever, I'd go to my dad and get like a little cheat sheet from him. You know what I mean? And he'd love doing that. And so he is a religious man. But yeah, he always let me think for myself and all. There's a lot of things that I see when it comes to the Bible. I'm like, oh, like, but someone told me recently, it's just the message behind it. You know, maybe something in the Bible, it doesn't seem logical to you, but it's like the message behind it. So I'm definitely open-minded to it. And like I did have, I've told this story before, where I had this moment where I was in a bad situation and I just wanted to get out of it. And there was nothing I could do to get out of it. And I was just terrified and scared and crying. And I was inside this closet. And I had this moment of like where I prayed. And I'm like, this is my last resort kind of thing. And I did that. And literally like the next day, like something switched in my head. And I was like, I need to get out of this situation. I need to leave. And it like, it took me so long to think like that. But I was like, maybe that was something that happened. Right. You know, whenever I prayed. Maybe it was meant to happen. And like as a higher power or whatever. But like I did have a moment where I was just like, wow, that was, that was weird. You know, like something happened. But yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm like, I'm not a religious person, definitely over minded to it. But you have some degree of faith. Yes. Otherwise you wouldn't have tried it in the first place. Yeah. 100%. 100%. So yeah, having that moment, I was just like, okay, like, it really helped me and it gave me comfort in that moment too. Yeah. You know, that's the amazing part. Yeah. It's really good. It's really, really special. So, and there's always like the stigma behind religion and stuff like that. There's a stigma behind everything. That's true. Yeah, that's true. There is, the only thing I like I say is just like, if someone doesn't force religion on me like that, then I'm very comfortable talking about it and doing it. But I just want to be able to think for myself when it comes to anything, when it comes to politics, religion, like everything. I want to be able to think for myself. I don't want someone to. That's why I want the multiple perspectives. Yeah, exactly. Like you don't want to be influenced by one way. You're like, I want to hit, like you were saying, you don't want to hit all different sides. Exactly. They need to be. Exactly. And what I choose to believe. Exactly. And that's how I am. I don't like anyone to influence me. I like to have my own brain. You know, it's like when someone says, they don't like somebody. I'm just like, okay, well, I will decide if I like them or not after I meet them. Go after your own experience. Exactly. Exactly. And this they did sound terrible. And I'm like, okay, well, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. But nine times out of 10, I'm like, let me think for myself. You may not like them, but they've always been nice to me or something. That's right. And that's what you go by. Yeah, exactly. That's how my dad raised me. I'm my mom. Sorry. I'm like, leave my mom. You're great, ma. I love you too. She's got you crazy. In the best way. Yeah. She still looks the same though. I just put my dad over the whole time. I'm just a daddy skill. I grew up, like my dad was a tough guy. I got hit by a car, I had to wrestle the same day. Yeah. Yeah. And like- Well, didn't your mom wrestle pregnant with you? She didn't realize. So Robin Brooks, he's down at NXT as a trainer, gorilla press there from the outside, from the inside to the outside of the ring. And she started getting these cramps and stuff. She started bleeding a little bit. Oh, shit. She goes to the, and she just had my brother, we're 14 months apart. So she- Irish twins. Irish twins. Yes. So she rushes to the hospital and she did not have a belly at all for some reason. Like I saw it's like a mind thing. Wow. And she didn't have a belly. And like I see pictures from back then and she really didn't have a belly. It was crazy. And she was seven months pregnant. Oh my God. Seven months. Yeah. She was late dumb. But wait, did she show with your brother? Yeah. She was huge with my brother. Whoa. Huge. And so she- It's crazy. Yeah. She went to the doctor and they were just like, I don't know if this is good news or bad news, but you're pregnant. And she was like, And you're like, Seven months. Yeah. I mean, you're feeling- You're pretty close. Yeah, you're popping out. Yeah. I'm making a freaking entrance. Yeah. The page music hits almost. Yeah. That's exactly what I figured. Yeah. It's probably a worry bet. And so, you know what I mean? And so like, I was about to say- Just the hand comes out first. Yeah. Just a tiny little hand. So then she said that it is a mind thing because all of a sudden she started to- Then it was that she's- Oh. And I was still a small baby. Well, end up being a seven pound 10. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. It's a pretty good baby. Because someone has a kid that seems like a pretty good baby. Yeah. Pretty good size. Yeah. Especially- Yeah. She was seven months pregnant. I tell that's the reason why I have scoliosis. I was like- We always blame our mothers. Oh, that's the reason. And let me tell you, it's happening to me now. Oh, is it? Yes, it's all my fault. Oh, is it? Oh, no. Yes, always everything. Why do we do that? I don't know. But it's okay. You know, I don't take it. Yeah, because I've been, you know, I know what it's like from their perspective, at least in some way. And now I know what it's like from my mom's. Yeah. My mom always said that mothers are to be flawed. Well, yeah. I'm in the stage where I want to have babies too. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I see, like you talk about kids and stuff like that, you know, I'm gonna be 34 and I'm just like, I want to freeze my eggs. Yeah, you should. I haven't told anyone that. But I really do want to freeze my eggs. Yeah, and I just- Absolutely should. I should, because you know, I clock start ticking. Because there's nothing wrong with it, get them now. Yeah, yeah. Because our eggs do mature. Yeah, they do. And it gets harder to deceive, you know? And we get less and less of them too. So I was like, oh, I really want to freeze my eggs. And I see these kids come to my side and they, or like people bring their babies and just like, let me hold that child, you know? It's so great. And I see Bianca just pregnant. And you know, Naomi, I'm just like- Ab pregnant belly. That was wild. Yeah, I saw the baby. I've never seen it before. I've never seen it. She dropped the robe and we were like, she's pregnant. She has abs. In the same- Everybody has the same sort of- What is the problem? You know, there's- Right. Yeah. I'm like, well, that seems like Jade would have abs when she has a baby too. Like they just show in shape. It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, but the great thing about WWE now is like, you know, people bring their kids on the road. You know, everyone's popping out babies, bringing them out. And then they, like the women have to have a little later. So I'm like inspired by it. You know, the Bella twins had- Renee had a kid later. You know, like everyone's more mature when they're having kids. That's right. Although I will tell you, it's a harder recovery if you have them yourself as you get older and chasing them around is not as easy as you get older. My body already hurts. Yeah. Okay, I'm sorry. But don't let that deter you. No, no, I'm not. I really like, I went through one stage. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no kids, no kids. I mean, I still want to give it a couple of years. I'd sort of freeze my eggs now. No, you're not saying you're leaving. No, no, no, I'm not walking out. You're back. You're back. No, anytime soon. That's why you're freezing eggs. That's why I'm freezing eggs. They're like, you know, keep them in the freezer and save them for later. So, but yeah. Get the best ones. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm like, do your best down there. Which is the biggest, juiciest egg, get it. Yeah. So I just, I really, yeah, I really do. I didn't ever thought I would get to that stage. I was always like, I don't know if I want kids. Right, well, and some people don't. Yeah, and that's okay. And if you don't want kids, then don't have them. Exactly. Because then they're gonna know. Exactly. You know, and it's not gonna feel so great. Yeah. But I was like, yeah, I want them. I want them. I want babies. That's great. I'm having a little ray of running around. It's the best. I'm worried. There's nothing like it in the world. Oh yeah, but if there's like a little mini me running around, I'm like, I'm screwed. I know I was like, you know. My mom cursed me. She said, I hope you have one exactly like you one day. Oh my, well, I don't know what I did. Oh yeah. She's like, oh yeah, I guess I did. Oh yeah. And all three in different ways. Oh my gosh. It's a powerful curse. He all looks so gross. I was just telling you, they all look so grown up. It's crazy, especially Aurora. He had like a little connection with you. I know. It was just crazy just seeing him like for the whole of fame, which we talk about your video package too. Oh my goodness. Maybe Taylor. I could never even seen some of that footage. It was beautiful. Of me like so young. Yes. I'm giving interviews about what I want my impact on the business to be and I'm like, what nice to you. I'm so young. Like it's crazy. It's so cool that they did that. And call the recruiter really. Sorry, I just want to call her out. Yeah, no. You go ahead. Go ahead, put me over. Yeah. Like go on. Do you want to pick up the title? Put it on your shoulder. No, I just like, you were young, but what you were saying and like the way you were saying it in this younger, sweet voice, and then to see you today. And like everything that's happened in between, it's been a little bit. But it was that footage got me. I don't know. It was like whoever knew. Whoever was filming it knew. Somehow that it was going to matter. Yeah. Oh man. It was beautiful. I mean, you've done so much in your career. You're very inspiring for women. And anyone that's worked, any woman or man, but just speaking from a woman's perspective here, any woman that's worked with you have only ever said positive things. Like you're very inspirational for a boss. You are so caring and pathetic. Like you're understanding and you stick up for us as women too. Like you're an advocate for us. And you've always been like that. And I always appreciated that about you. And just seeing that package, I was like, man, she deserves it. And I was like, why hasn't she been put in that way before? I never understood. I was like, what's going on here? Why the delay? You know, it was the right time. Who are we going to talk to? Well, the McMahons were never supposed to be in the Hall of Fame as I was always brought up. We were characters that were intentionally designed to get other talent over. So it was never about us. And that's just sort of like ingrained in my brain. Your character is so powerful, though. I mean, you got a reaction every single time. That never dulled. The slap package was hilarious. Oh my God. The things I would hear about the slap. I feel so bad. Like you look at some like, damn, I was taught to lay it in. Oh, you got a right hook on her. Yeah. You had a right hook on you. The amount of pop, pop, eardrums that people got. Oh my God, I feel so bad about that too. I never thought I got people. And then all of a sudden I started to hear later that I got people. I was like, oh. Well, they don't want to. First you're like, yes, definitely. That was great. But you were like, what? Stephanie McMahon, come on. But yeah, I was like, I wish I could just get one slap, maybe down the road from you. Oh my God. No way, no way. That's like you. And that's like, that made me laugh there. It was so funny. It was so good. But people I've never. And I love the activation of the world. Oh yeah. At Fanatics, they have the dummy. Oh, they do? Yeah. I didn't see that. And you know I had it rigged, so I'm always at the top. Tell him. As you should be queen. Tell him. As you should be queen. I could tell him now. Yeah, I know you have to be number one. That's for real. I was like, that's my one thing. Guys, I can't be beat. It always looks so good because it was real. Yeah. Yeah, well. It looks so good. You have to. Those slaps, you can't fake. Yeah, it's true. You cannot. You have to lay it in. You have to lay it in. Because if not, I mean. And the guys were like, if I'm going to sell for you, you know, you got to lay it in. Yeah. Because I'm a small woman. Yeah. You pack a powerful slap. I did one slap. No, I did a couple slaps. I got to do the next one. That's fun to do. Spend playlists all the shit out of it. Yeah. I'll bump all over the place for you. TJ did not sell mine whatsoever. TJ, they was like, we were doing that. I hate it when they don't sell. Yeah. It's the worst. Daniel Bryan wouldn't sell my slap. That was a good one. Right. That's on the internet too. Like it was when Natty and TJ had that storyline where he was kind of like pushing Natty's confidence down and would like take his celebrations and stuff. Yeah. Like, you know, just being a narcissistic asshole. You forgot about that. Yeah. And I was randomly with them at times, you know. And so he kept distracting me from the match. I ended up losing or whatever. I roll out and I give him this big warp. I slapped a shit out of him and he didn't move a muscle. Not even a say. He just went and didn't do anything. And I was like, damn, that was really good. And I swung to the point I turned all the way around. Right. Yeah, you get like a whip on it. Oh my gosh. I swung 360, dude. I was crazy. But yeah, he never sold it. Yeah. Daniel Bryan wouldn't sell my slaps either. And I was slapping him with the right and I started slapping him. Oh, yeah. I was trying everything I could. He didn't do shit. Oh, he didn't bug. He didn't bug. He was like, marar. Rick Flay would sell our slaps. Oh, yeah. He sold yours. He would bump. He'd bump all over the place. He fell on the ropes. He'd literally be like, woo. Feed in for another one. Yeah. It was so funny. I was like, yeah, you go slap. You go to slap all the good ones. I did. I did. What was your favorite slap that you go to do? So you know, I've been asked this now. I bet, yeah. And it's not my favorite slap. I don't know that I have a favorite, but one of the ones that was particularly good was when I slapped the rocket leave ice table. Oh, yeah. It just landed like perfectly. It had a lot of velocity. And I didn't even mean to. I think I was just like geeked because I knew Ronda was about to come in the ring and I was like really excited. Oh, yes. Yeah. Oh, that was so special. So I mean, it had a lot in it. A lot of emotion in that slap. Man, it was a good one. That was so exciting to watch. Just to see that whole thing come together was great. And you and Brie, your storyline, I was like, you bet. She's great. You slapped her good. Yeah, well, she got me. She got me too. Oh, yeah, she too. There was one. I think you could slap her a couple of times. And I told her too. I'm like, you got to lay it in. Yeah. Like, it's the same conversation. Yeah. And the girls are always tough. Oh, girls are tough. Yeah, we can handle. We can handle a right hook. You know, you know, we've got touch. And giving it back, right? Oh, 100%. Give it to me. Yeah, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think she enjoyed it. You give each other a receipt. Yeah. There was a couple of steps like so. You slapped her in the crowd and then you slapped her off the side of the apron. Yeah. Well, she didn't have a choice but to be like, I'm like, I'm in a G-Hack or in Timberdown. I was like, ah, I'm dude. So I forgot what I said. It was such a great moment. It was just a fun, you know, sometimes they land so well. And it did. And it was like, I was pretending to be upset and that I agreed to the match. And then all of a sudden I just turned and I slapped her off the side of the apron. And I called her a bitch. Yes. And people were like, wow. So fun. Are you ready to hold WWE history in the palm of your hand? Tops is bringing you closer to the action than ever before with WWE Tops Now, highlighting the biggest matches and milestones from WWE shows and PLEs throughout the year. Tops Now is enhancing the fan experience by connecting collectors to the superstars and spectacles that ignite their passion. Featuring stunning event exclusive photography, each card is made for the moment. And for some lucky collectors, that moment could become the pull of a lifetime. Along with serial numbered parallels, some Tops Now releases offer a chance at rare short prints, superstar autographs, and even pieces of the mat, gear, or other items used during the featured match. So which moments will you collect? 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I would watch yourself, because we would have to watch tape, you know, and NXT and FCW. Well, that's how I learned, too. Yeah, you were just a watch. But the difference is while we're watching tape, maybe critiquing you or whoever, I'm hearing Kevin Dunn and Vince give their feedback. At the same time as? Well, I just mean like sort of the same situation, like the conversation. So that's how I've always, and I didn't realize like the seed I had, right? The learning tree that I was under. But everything I learned, I learned while they're talking it through. And it's like, I don't know, I think that was a great way to learn, because it causes you to think. And you are hearing the multiple perspectives, right? So they're like sort of hashing it out. And I learned so much just by listening. By listening, yeah. And watching. And then seeing for other people. And then knowing what they're looking for. Right, because now, okay, I know what you're looking for. Sure, I'm gonna give you what you want. Exactly, but you're so good. You're so good, the mean mug phases you do. You know, like I love the mean phase. Oh, dude, you like, oh, she's like, I was in the middle of a couple of times. She has a picture of me, but I have one of you, too. Oh yeah, where's the picture? Oh, do you have it? Go on, prove it. It's terrible. I said I was gonna set it as the background of my phone. But like you do this evil smile to your ear there. It's just like, oh my God. It feels good to be bad. I was like, you're so good at it. You're just so good. I just enjoyed it, you know, and the people loved it. Like they love to hate me. Man, do they love to hate me. But when I like get them, you know, or surprise them or whatever, like they love to be had, too. Yeah, but you're so good to it. Like you can go out there and be a baby phase very easily if you wanted to, but you can also turn people on top. No, you go out there, you have, and people get so excited when you first walk out, but then you go on the mic and you switch them like this. Yeah, that's what I mean. My honeymoon doesn't last. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. They're just like, oh. It's like particularly fast. Yeah, no, I feel, I feel you, trust me. Oh no, it's been texted. I think it's gonna pop up here. Oh, wonderful. Let's see. It's trying to airdrop. Oh, it hasn't gone through yet. Oh, good. It'll get there. Oh, maybe I've got, I've put my Danhousen on it. It's not gonna go through. I love that you go to Danhousen here. He's so great. I love that guy. Oh my God. Yeah, when you said your mom cursed you, I was like, the original. Yeah, I'm glad that the fans came around really quickly. Yeah. Because I think they just didn't know at first. What it was. Or why we were doing it, you know? And now it's like, well, cause he's really good. Yeah, he's great. Yeah, and he's got like this crazy charisma. Yeah, I'm trying. I know that he can pull that kind of character off too. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, it's like very, and then to see him work, he was pretty good. He's great worker too. Yeah, so they'll see eventually when he starts like wrestling some more. But yeah, I love that the fans came around and they love them. Cause I was like, he's such a good dude. Yeah. I love that guy. Cause you know him, how long? Yeah, well about four or five years now, I would say. That's great. And then I saw him in Manchester, I was doing a signing out there. But like the weekends that he was taping, he didn't say anything to me. Wow. I don't know if that was a secret. Sure. But I was like, man, I was so happy for him. That's awesome. Yeah. Did you get to meet his wife too? No, I haven't met her yet. She's like this pin up beautiful. Oh yeah. Yeah, they're perfect for each other. Oh, that's so great. Yeah. Anyway, I'm happy he's there. But I'm happy that I'm here. But about you. I'm happy that I'm home. That's right. Yeah. Amen. What is this picture? I don't know. I told you, I've put my electric voodoo on it. No, didn't work. Oh, there you go. Great. Here we go. The face she makes at me when I've disappointed her. When you've disappointed me in particular. Well. When you've disappointed me. Well. That was a photo shoot. And like in the moment, something. Well, there was a lot of things happening. There was some things going not right. Wait, how long you guys been friends for? A long time. Long time? Yeah. Well, we're going on 10 years of. Of working together. Yes. I would say we were friends right away, you know, for sure. Yeah. But yeah, but it was a working relationship. That's how you made it. Yeah. Oh, I love that so much. That's why that was the same with me and Zaka over there. Yeah. Work and relationship blossoms in a sudden special. Yeah, because you like, you're together, you get to know what the person likes. Like. Oh my God, it was so funny. So like just one example of that. Sorry to cut you off. Yeah, no, it's fine. We went out to dinner. And like, I don't really, I think that I, you know, don't wear my emotions on my sleeve. But she could read me like a book. Yeah. I'm sure other people got to. But so this waiter comes over and it's just the two of us. One of the first dinners we had had just you and me. Yeah. And the waiter comes over and he's just irritating the shit out of me. I don't remember what he was doing. He was reading the wine list. But it was something. There was something bothering me. It was. But I didn't think I sold. Like I don't think you could tell how. That I was like irritated for no reason, right? Like I guess it was ridiculous. And then Elise looks at me and she's like, oh, that guy, he didn't know when to stop. You're like, I like you. I was like, oh, wait a minute. Yeah. How did you, how'd you know? You were like. It was just a moment. But he clearly wasn't paying attention. And he continued for the rest of the evening. He did. He did. We've never returned. Yeah. I'm just kidding. I feel like you would have pretty good poker face though. I don't think in all these years that I've known you. Well, but she reads me like a book. But she can read. Yeah. She's like a book. And I guess I must just say what I'm thinking a lot. Well. Or yeah, just when you're like with someone all the time and in like good and bad situations and like meetings, like you were prepping for the Vince meeting with the 20 things and then you came back and I was like, fuck, what was it? Like what do we need to know for next time? Just the work. Turn friendship. Turn whatever this is. What do they say about relationships formed in what crisis situations? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's yeah. And that's in the movie Speed. What is it? For the call out. Are you hurt? But I remember what the exact quote was. And then I said it some day like recently. Some random guy knew what it was, but I didn't retain it. Anyway, I didn't even know what you're saying. It's OK. I'm influenced by Paige right now. I'm under her spell. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that makes up. But are you going to up or no? Am I OK? I didn't know if I was waiting for some. No, no, no. I don't know. Oh, Joe's like. I was like, am I waiting to be searching for something? Yeah, I know. I was like, are we waiting for something? I'm scared. Uh oh. Is it a photo of us fighting? Oh, God, what are you looking? He looks like he's up to something. He does. I agree. You look like the cat that ate the canary right now. Tweety bird. He looks like he's up to something. Oh, OK. Oh, OK. You look cheeky. You do. You have like this chuckle on your face. Joe. Joe. You look cheeky. Instead. Cheeky. Cheeky. Yeah. Yeah, you look like you're up to something every day. Look at that. You're like, boy, did your voice get high pitched? But Dave and working hard this week, too. I'll tell you that. This team does all of the pods. You know, there's like a variation, but there's one big pod team. And they do. Like Kodi's and everyone? Right? Correct me where I'm wrong. But they do takers, Kodi's after raw. Logan's when you're here. Right? Mine. Wow. Ours. Yours. Is he? Yeah. Damn, you guys must be exhausted, huh? Damn. Listen to people yapple. I should know this is takers. Sorry. Sorry if I'm yapping a lot. You guys take her, Sina, happen? Yes. How was it? I can't even believe I just totally missed it. You were a little busy this weekend. But how was it? Yeah? Oh, they did a podcast together. A live one. Yeah. Oh, good. When you said live, it made me think of it. Oh, that's awesome. Awesome. I was really looking forward to that when I got to catch it. Yeah. Oh, I love it. Good. I'm glad they got Mark. They could be like, go see Jonah Lopey yesterday, too, dude. Yes. Still the same guy. No, he is. Exactly the same. Yes. Oh, yes. He was so funny when he turned to the camera and he's like, I'm not running. Tell them down the ramp. Yeah. He's too good to boo. That's why. That's right. Yeah, he doesn't have to do any of that. Yeah, that's right. He retired. Just take it. Now he's the host. I always get I wasn't going to be able to see him because he retired, but I was like, oh, thank gosh. No, he's still part of the business. What a guy. Right? Yeah, I love his Mrs, too. She came up to me without him around, and I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she was very sweet. Yeah, I've heard nothing but positive things. And she seems very, very sweet to me. And she's gorgeous. Yes, she's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. She's stunning. Lucky Joan, you know? Yeah, that's right. How do you get that one? I'm joking, Joan. You're joking. As they say. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So what are you, like, what are you feeling? What are you thinking in terms of your goals, right? Like, in a couple of years, maybe we're going to have a baby, but we're going to freeze some eggs in the meantime. Yeah, we're going to freeze some eggs in the meantime. And what do you want to bring? You're champ already. I know. Right? That's crazy. Right? One half of the tag team champions. I still would champ, maybe. Like, what would, how would you, I'm going to ask a question from my video. How would you define your success in four to five years? Oh, my gosh. I just, I came in this time with the mindset where I just want to be happy and have fun, because I don't think I'm going to be wrestling after this run. Right. You know, like, I want to just enjoy my time that I have here, embrace absolutely everything, just enjoy the journey. Like, that's all I care about. But I do want to finally be able to be in the Royal Rumble that I got to not be a problem. And do the elimination chambers and do, like, you know, all these stipulation matches that were not around when I was around. Yeah, we weren't allowed. Yeah. Oh, I had to be backstage in Gorilla when, when the Royal Rumble just started and no one knew I was retired by that point. You know. And so I just sat there and I was just really, I was sad. I was bittersweet. I was happy that the girls finally got, you know, like this big match that we didn't have before. But I was sad because I wasn't a part of it. And I didn't know if I was ever going to be a part of it again. Yeah. You know, and so to have this moment where I'm back in WWE, my neck is good. I'm wrestling again. And there is opportunities for me to be a part of these stipulation matches. I mean, man, like, I'm really excited. Good. I'm really excited for the, for the next couple of years. That's awesome. I don't know what I'm going to get myself into, but not trouble. Well, maybe the right kind of trouble. Yeah, yeah, the good kind of trouble. I'll behave myself. I think it's impossible for you to not get into trouble. I know, I know, I know. I'm paying in the awesome. Come on, you caused that trouble. Oh, yeah. You are trouble. I remember, oh my gosh, I remember what, do you remember when, um, the Jackass production crew was backstage and we got to prank a bunch of people? Do you remember? Oh, I didn't see that. And I didn't realize there was a no prank list, right? So I had this cattle prod. Do you remember Jackie? I had this cattle prod, which doesn't feel good at all. Yeah. And I was running around and zapping everybody with this sucker, dude. I like, I. And you hadn't zapped yourself first. No, no, no, no. I was like, no, I'm good. And in the end, I didn't realize Titus was on the no zap list. Oh, no, prank list. No zap. Uh oh. He lost his lid, dude. I wait, was this at the Hall of Fame sometime? Was it that weekend? Yeah, it was like it was a busy week. It was definitely it might have been mania might have been me. For some reason, I feel like it's one of those things that should hit the fan on because I think I remember hearing about it. Oh, it was bad. And it was like, wait, what? On top of like, you know, all the things that happen and then you have all the unexpected things that happen. And she had a cattle prod. Yeah. What? For some reason, they gave me the cattle prod. And I like. A live give you the last one. Not even a gimmick cattle prod. No, it was a real cattle prod backstage. Damn. In my hands. Where are you thinking? Yeah, it was stupid. Yeah, you're given like this 24 year old this thing. And so like I zap Titus and he lost his lady screamed and he kicked the cameras and it was like mad. It was mad. He was like two months because into Vince and he was like, page, electrocuted me. Told me off. She's stuck a cattle prod at my. Exactly. It was on his cheek. I think it was on his cheek. And so I go into the office because Vince calls me. He goes, can you stop electrocuting people? Yeah. I was like, yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. I could have a little funny. Yeah. She posed a little funny. So he had like that. Of course he did. Yeah. It was like, come on, please stop. He's like, come on. Yeah. Do it again. Lighten up. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But stay away from Titus. Yeah. Yeah. Stay away from Titus. Yeah. Titus, he's one of the nicest guys on the planet. No, he's the sweetest. I love him. Oh man. He does so much for so many people. The community. Yes. And just Charity's like, he's great. He is. And an amazing human being. It really is. So I really zapped a really good person. So you did. You got a good one. Yeah. And he ignored me for two months straight. No. Yeah, he did. Wow. And so eventually he came up. Yes. Oh, we was mad. He's like, I'm on that no prank list. I had no idea. Which really makes you a target. Yeah. 100%. But I was like, no prank list. Oh, I'm going to give you the cattle prod without the list. That's on them. They didn't tell me about any no prank list. They should have known not to give her. They should have. You want to be on a no prank list. Well, come on. But right. But I think it makes you a target. It does make you a target. So these five people, I can't. I'm going out. They're like, public enemy number one. 100%. Any time I see that group, I'm going to be like, I'm coming for you. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. They couldn't get me. Someone doesn't want to get pranked. Yeah. They couldn't get me for the longest time with these prank. Every time I was like, this is a prank. This is a prank. He kind of like, no. Right, right. Eventually they gave me like this. Jeff Jermaine, he was the guy who created Jackass. He eventually got me. So he was just like, he was like, Paige, come back here. I need you to do some voice service really quick. And I was like, OK. So we go into like this little pipe and drape area. And he gets me to sit on the store. And as I sit on the store, it electrocuted me. And it went, he like pressed the button. And it like went from my legs all the way up into my neck. Oh my god. Really? Bad. And he was dying like, it was so painful. Oh my god. What's the macaw, Pran? What happens? Like, do your muscles get like real stiff? Yeah, I went like fully stiff. And I fell to the ground and stuff. And I was like, I didn't get mad. I was like, hey, fair enough. Yeah. Like you got me. Yeah. I was un-gettable. But like the whole time they were there. Did they ever tell you that Titus actually set that up? No. Oh, wait. I was like, hang on a second. Imagine got you. 10 years later. Oh, sorry. Yeah. I was like 10 years later. You finally got his lick back. Well, this has been amazing. I would love to keep the conversation going. WrestleMania just started. Oh, yes. Yes. And Paige, I love you. We leave this open now for part two. Yes. I just am so proud of you. Thank you. And so happy for you. Welcome home. Thank you. Welcome home. Thank you so much. You are such a gift. And there is just something so special that shines in you. And people love you for it. And nobody ever wants to see that light dim. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yay. Yay. I want to see the pop-con. For the first time. Yeah. I'm going to come. Come to where to come.