#625: Building the Perfect Family Compound | Curtis Stone

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Or you can go to my website, macroaggressions.io, where all the links are over there so check it out if you're looking for storable food well um you're going to enjoy this one this is my conversation with curtis stone curtis and i have known each other for a few years through uh jeff and the an arcapulco crew but i'll tell you what the you know he's the guy you want to talk to about living off grid getting yourself a compound so please do yourself a favor and enjoy my conversation with curtis stone well it's good to be back with curtis stone talking about all kinds of things that i never thought i'd be talking about i never thought i'd be talking about farming i have no interest in farming i'm not a farmer i used to laugh my grandparents in tennessee when i was a kid i'd stay with them and they didn't have a they'd like a i don't know maybe like a quarter acre piece of land and it was on bordered on the lake but they had this little garden and it wasn't very big it was maybe i don't know to 20 20 yards long by 10 yards wide i don't not big. There's always food. There was so much food that they would had on their carport, like a big bucket with extra food, and they would just leave it there. And periodically, I would see neighbors that would drive in down their driveway, stop, get out, grab some stuff, get in their car and leave, which they were supposed to do. It was kind of known. And I thought, how does that little thing throw off so much food? It was the first time I ever really had any sort of practical understanding of food how it how it works how it grows you know being raised in like the suburbs you just don't have that and so it was it was like magic to me and i never thought i'd have any interest in it now and i've talked to so many people in the last couple years about farming it's just wild man so it is it's amazing how abundant and productive a small piece of land can be in the right conditions yeah yeah how how many people have you guys on your website 6476 farms you guys have launched well yeah inadvertently you know right people yeah just people that have been in our platform and then we've kind of shown them how to do it i mean in my career it's it's got to be way more than that now because like my book came out fuck it's 10 years man my book came out 10 years ago the urban farmer so yeah a lot man you know it's uh it's funny though because like things change you know and i'm always i'm the kind of guy who i've i kind of get sick of things after 10 years and i kind of do something else so but i mean i still live on the land i still do farm i do all that freedom farmers you know teaches is bringing people through all the time and we're helping people but you know ever since the covid show freedom has become my like obsession sovereignty you know and so that's for for myself these days that's my more my day-to-day is actually helping people with canadian law and that's you know at anarcho poco we'll be hanging out next week i can't wait i know um and uh yeah that's that's what i present that's what i teach people more of now is that stuff because i mean up here in canada it's it's crazy at the same time it's crazy everywhere yeah i don't know i don't know if what's going on in canada is any more crazy than it is in the u.s it's just kind of like pick your poison right so totally yeah so you you freedom farmers first 10 years farmers next 10 years freedom right yeah pretty pretty much that's what it's been for me yeah because i i started learning the law. Like I've been a conspiracy guy for like 26 years since I was 20 years old. I'm 46 now. But I started really reading the law in 2014 because I started to get pissed. I was just like, wait a second, you want how much of my money? For what? You know, this is when the things were starting to get woke. And I was just like, this is crazy. And so I started reading the Canadian law and I just found there was all these like crazy loopholes. And I learned about this thing called equity and then that opened up a whole can of worms and I started learning about trusts and I was just like wow you know it's like this whole system is set up for the billionaire class to confuse all the plebs and then they just get to do whatever they want because they understand it and they get taught these things but people like us can figure these things out it's just you know you got to take the time but but yeah that's what it is for me now especially as we look at all these things they're telling us they're going to do right they want digital id and they want digital money and all this stuff and i'm just sitting here going i just want what's mine you know that's too much to ask is that too much to ask i don't i don't i don't need a handout i don't need anything free i'm happy to take care of myself and my kids and grow our food and do all that but i just want to know that what's mine is mine and i'm not funding the madness i agree i I was talking to some people who are more on the conservative side, and I was telling them, I'm going down to Anarchapulco, and they're like, what is that? I'm like, it's the largest anarchist conference in the world. And I said, you know, you conservative people would be surprised how much you have in common with the anarchist community, and you'd like them too. They're not the type to sit around and say, oh, daddy government, please help me. They're very do-it-yourself. They're out there not looking for a handout. They just want to work, and they want to keep what's theirs. You guys can relate to that. And they're like, yeah, of course. I mean, we like that, too. You know, the self-sufficient mindset that the conservative, they think they have a monopoly on that. And the leftists are always looking to the state. And so when they I was just trying to inform them that, like, you'd have a lot in common with the anarchist community because they're very proactive and results oriented and doing things, building outside of the system. And God, I mean, this current system right now is so baffling and confusing. I mean, you're talking about understanding Canadian law. And it's like you have to learn a whole new language, right? Like the words that you think mean one thing don't mean what you thought they meant. They know that are legally like it might be one thing. And if somebody says that to you, but if somebody is from the state is writing you a letter and calling you this particular thing, it's not like in our case. in America, it would be domestic, domestic terrorists, right? Like you're a domestic terrorist. Like that's like a slur, but it's legally, if you're a domestic terrorist operating in the, on the homeland, in the battle in the homeland as a battlefield, then you're like no different than Al Qaeda legally. So like, so like there's a difference between this. So when you're doing all your work, I mean, you just, you don't have a law background. I mean, maybe you do now no i well i do in that you know it's funny because i i mean at this point my my law quote unquote law practice it's again i'm just a conspiracy theorist who started reading the law but that but and that's what i tell people if if i ever do rub shoulders with people who don't really understand how i learn this stuff and they ask why your credentials that's what i tell them i just that's literally it i'm just a guy who was paranoid about the new world order and then I just started reading statutory law and I found an absolute obsession with it because I like you just highlighted with the definitions I remember the first definition that I read that just blew my mind was the word includes in legalese the word includes comes from a latin maxim inclusio which means that and only that so and that's why when you read like say a contract you'll see it'll say including but not limited to that's when includes means what you think it does because they say but not limited to but includes in legalese means this and only this so you know i remember a statute that really just blew my mind when i was first getting into this stuff was i read the canadian interpretations act and it's and it says the definition of canada includes the internal and territorial waters so i was like what it doesn't include land because that includes means that and only that includes means what is only said, and this is what a colleague of mine who's a lawyer, I do work with some lawyers sometimes because like we sometimes like we'll sue people and stuff. So I'll use lawyers. But you know, a lawyer colleague of mine says, the thing about statutory law is it is explicitly inclusive. And that means that the only thing that the law governs are the specific things that they say they govern all the other things quote unquote that they didn't say those are the things that are sort of outside the purview of what the law does and that's often where the remedy is is because they'll say things that hey this includes this and this and this but then some layman comes in and says oh includes because we i hear the left and the social justice warriors say all the time everybody's included includes means everybody so if i said to you hey, Charlie, we're having a party on Friday. There's going to be a dinner and it includes ice cream. You would assume that there'd be some kind of dinner and there'd be ice cream, but legally, all I said was there's ice cream. And that's how they trick you. So, when you hear, say, the pharmaceutical commercials and they say, symptoms include blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, they're saying specifically what these things are. They're not saying it's inclusive as in it's all in, it's this. Another one that's interesting in law is acceptance. you assume in common parlance acceptance means just like take it all i accept all the terms and conditions all of the liability whatever but acceptance in law means to hold with intent to retain so it doesn't mean that you just roll over and accept everything it just means that you hold it with intent to retain so it's a way of staying in honor and that's what i say is a big was a big part of my awakening in starting to learn the law and actually practice and do things and get results was that everything comes down to acceptance. You have to accept everything. But if you know what acceptance means, that's not necessarily a bad thing. It just means that you're going to stay in honor. Okay, here we go. We're having a conversation now. I have the intent to retain. And so it's all about it. It's all about intent. And so it's all about just do you stay in honor or not? Because if you're not in honor, then they're going to railroad you. But if you stay honor and you play their game. And this is kind of where I've had this sort of falling out of love with anarchism. Because prior, I would consider myself like a full-blown anarcho-capitalist. And I guess I would say philosophically I'm that. But that's often in the world as the world ought to be. And so, what I've discovered is that there's the world as it is, and then there's the world as it ought to be. And sure I believe in this anarchist utopia where everybody can just take responsibility for themselves but that just not the world we in And so if you want to get a remedy you want to say stop paying taxes, you want to have your assets protected so they can't be taken from you, you have to go in the way the world is as it is. Otherwise, you're in la-la land, and then you're just going to get lost in the mix. Did you see Max Egan's presentation when we were down there? It might not this last year, a year before, I think he was talking about navigating this world with one foot in and one foot out, you know, like you guys, he was talking about it with respect to people asking him what max, how do you travel from one country to the next? You know, you have a passport system and you have to use that. Uh, doesn't that sort of go against everything that you believe? Of course it goes against everybody, but I have one foot in and one foot out of the system. I have to navigate this. I have to do what's best for me. So I have to play their game to the extent that I have to while keeping an eye on everything else. I thought that was a good way to look at it because as I say, rightly, I would love to live in this world that we aspire to. However, I have to deal in the practical nature of where we are currently. So you can't ignore where we are now. And so I guess what? If we're going to play the game, let's play it correctly. Let's understand what their words mean. And speaking of that, the word understand apparently means something different in this. Understand. To stand under. Yeah. You know, the thing I'll tell people, if you're getting into law, you can go and listen to, say, old Jordan Maxwell tapes and DVDs. And that's actually where I started, like, 20 plus years ago, before all this stuff was online. You can kind of go down these unnecessary rabbit holes with that kind of stuff. But you're right. you are right i just think some of them are just rabbit holes that lead you nowhere but but as what you said about max it's absolutely correct and i say the same thing and that's where understanding equity in law really gets in my opinion gets the bulk of remedy and solutions is is okay there's this matrix the matrix what i call it is different what david ike calls it and i think david ike understands it at a higher level perhaps on say a spiritual level there there probably is a matrix there but when i say the matrix what i'm referring to is the commercial paper system that comes out of the city of london and underneath the vatican that's how they've been they've they've enslaved all of us to the birth certificate system that's the matrix and so your physical body is in the material world but then there's this paper matrix where you've got this legal person that gets you into all these fiduciary duties so you got to play that game to some degree and so that's what that's what i agree with max is like yeah you keep one foot into there because you if you don't your life becomes really complicated, like to not be able to have a commercial bank account. How are you going to have a mortgage or do a lot of the things that normal people do? And so you kind of have to stay in there partially. And that's where I find understanding the maxims of equity is, is that equity is the boilerplate of the legal world. And so I like to imagine three books in front of me. Here we have the Holy Bible, the King James Version. That's sort of what we understand in the West is the way the world is created and all laws based off that. But then over here on the right, I've got Black's Law Fifth, which is the world of the devil. So there's the world that God created, and then there's the world that the devil administers through your consent. And the rules of engagement are in the maximum of equity, the book in the middle, which is sort of what brings the three together. and so i found by understanding equity which is the framework of law i don't have to get so hung up in the statutory world because i can understand where they're going and what it's all about and to get equity is to just settle the issue and settle the matter not sit and play in the he said she said oh this should be this and getting in arguments it's just settle the issue settle the matter which is often coming down to they want you to perform some kind of task so how do they want you to perform and how will you perform? That's the question. And that's often the way through a lot of different statutory obligations they're going to throw at you. Man, I bet you shave a lot of the learning curve off of this for people that come to you and don't even know where to start. I mean, I would think that if it was this or if it was a situation where it's like, listen, man, I got a couple million bucks, I'm looking for a place off the grid somewhere else you'd be the first person i would contact right like why i re-indent the wheel why say oh let me get online and see if i can find a place that has access to homesteads or anything it's like i would just go to freedom farmers like well that's yeah well and that's the kind of niche that i'm in now is like because i'd done the land thing for so long and that's like a sure bet so yeah and i do this this law stuff in the private it's outside of freedom farmers but it's it's all me but that yeah i mean for sure i do that on a regular basis i get people that are like hey i'm getting screwed with taxes and and my law stuff is really only applicable to canadians just so people know uh my lamb stuff is most of my clients in the u.s but i do get people that come to me and they're just like i'm getting screwed in taxes i'm worried they're going to take everything and i want to be off the grid and so yeah i i do i kind of help people in in an all-encompassing way in that regard yeah what when people call you and they're they're looking for a homestead what is it all i mean what's the reasoning behind it is it is it is it i mean these these days is they want to just get out of the craziness you know they want to get away from the starving hordes essentially for when the shit hits the fan that's it's it's been that way forever um yeah and it's it's kind of like finding finding what's an ideal place for them to go because the u.s the neat thing about the u.s is it's it's very diverse as far as its landscape you know you've got the high dry deserts of wyoming montana you got the low and dry hot areas of california and and some parts of arizona new mexico and then you've got you know the temperate region which is basically everything east of the mississippi but then you've got the higher boreal regions of that wet tempered area and then you've got the lower regions getting into arkansas tennessee then you've got a place like florida which is very anomalous as far as the u.s in general at least on the continental u.s so the u.s is incredibly diverse and i think one of the most kind of telling maps you can look at if you want to think about the shit hitting the fan, the proverbial shit hitting the fan, is look at a population density map of the United States. It's very, very telling. It's essentially 80% of the US lives east of the Mississippi, and the other 20% live on the other side, but probably 80% of that 20% are in Southern California. It's crazy. And so I think that's a good starting point for people. But the thing is, that's fascinating about, you know, getting on the land and such is that you really have to think about where, what do you want? And how do you imagine your life being? Because living, like living the way I do is not for everybody. And I can tell you, like, I'm up here, like my wife passed in March. And so I'm up here now with me and my kids. I do have, my lightweight brother is very involved in what we do. And so he's become kind of like a second, like a right-hand man for me on the land, which has been helpful. But if you don't have a sort of a traditional family in a way, homesteading is very difficult. And so you need to think about what is your context and how do you want to live? And how do you imagine that going? Because a lot of people, I see it all the time in my consulting, especially with people on land, is like, there's a lot of empty nesters out there, or maybe they don't have kids and they want a homestead but unless there's a lot of young bucks around to do a lot of the backbreaking work how's that going to look for you so you might think well maybe i'll get into an intentional community and there's a lot of a lot of them this is an exploding scene across the united states exploding all kinds of different intentional communities i think it's a great way to live but if you're joining an intentional community that doesn't have young people or a sort of a new succession of families, how's it going to go if things get really tough? If there aren't young people around to do the hard backbreaking work, how's that going to go? And so these are challenges that people have. But when it comes to living in the United States, people are your greatest asset, but they're also your greatest liability. Yeah. Well, I think there's a lot of Americans that have this fantasy, uh even myself to to maybe a certain extent that one day we're just going to head for the exits you know we got the gold coin as katherine austin fitz says to bribe the the border guard and we're we're out of here right but maybe you don't need to right if as you mentioned in the united states you've got a variety of different um climates it's a big big piece of land the obvious places to hide if you've driven across country which i have if you've just driven across Texas. You know, there's a lot of places to go. So maybe instead of fleeing, you just sort of move internally in this country somewhere else. But I would imagine there are a lot of people that are like, if only I had another family to do this with, or somebody like-minded, they don't have to be related to me family-wise, but I can't do this myself. Do you, in your land consulting business do you ever match make with people like that like yeah you know i'm a guy who i'm looking for somebody like-minded who wants to build in the ozarks let me know if you find somebody we can go in together and get a piece of land is that oh yeah oh our platform does it for people like it yeah in our community you can do that um absolutely that's that's happening all the time and yeah those are those are serious considerations um the ozarks are probably one of my favorite regions of the united states um because you have you have a beautiful landscape topography lots of fresh water good soil as long as you're outside of the you know agricultural zone because like you know northern mississippi is much like nebraska and you know south and north dakota and you know kansas it's just big ag like you don't want to live in there It's just poison. But you get into the Ozark region, which, you know, goes parts of Oklahoma, you know, parts of Arkansas, southern Missouri, really, really beautiful and very like-minded people, you know. So we see a lot of our community hunkering down in there. Tennessee was great for a while, but there's just, it's so saturated. There's so many people moving there, you know. same i say the same thing with florida like don't move to florida everybody wants to move to florida that the problem with florida too is just so many damn people like you know it's it's again people can be your greatest asset but also your greatest liability you do not want to be the the horrible thing about florida this is a beautiful place don't get me wrong but there's so many people and so many people concentrated in such small areas what happens when the light goes out what happens when there's no food in the stores i mean it's absolute pandemonium and and the thing is about the u.s is as good as it is as it is there's the second amendment that's also in a way the fact that everybody's armed isn't necessarily that great because it just means you're likely going to be in a situation that's violent that is fatal so yeah and you started kind of by saying like do we just pack our bags and run to mexico or something perhaps you know there's there's certainly there's certainly possibilities it all comes down to your context i've never been a fan of expatriation personally because the thing i don't like about mexico and i say this as a guy who has spent a lot of time there i've traveled through a good chunk of the country um is it is not a high trust society in the same way it is in america so that takes some getting used to and if you're a guy like us who's as you know white as can be that sometimes brings challenges in that you're just a gringo and you're always going to just be a resource and you know you want to get your hvac system fixed the gringo price is 10 times higher and it is for the mexican price and you know some people figure their way around that i've always found that annoying frankly the thing i like about and the reason i've stayed in canada is that I understand the law here, so I feel comfortable in navigating that world. Yes, it's corrupt, but the corruption in Canada is kind of like above most bureaucrats, whereas in Mexico, the corruption is all over. And our mutual friend, Jeff Berwick, would say, well, I like that because I know how I'm dealing with it, right? And so, I get that. I get that argument. But it all just comes down to your context and and and where you are in your life and i think moving to a place like mexico can work for some people but like i have young children and so for me it just doesn't for me it's just not as i don't know i don't i have friends that are expats that have little blonde hair blue-eyed babies like mine and they live in mexico and it's it's kind of tricky like it comes with some challenges for sure yeah what is the is there a country that people are are looking at more so than others is there is there some place that's kind of under the radar that has a good combination of i don't know maybe the language is is okay the tax haven you know tax status is fine they don't bust your balls too much is there anyone out there you know i've seen a lot more people move to eastern europe actually yeah yeah latvia bulgaria um places like that in the baltic countries um i'm seeing people move there you know i think the thing that especially since the covid show a lot of people dispersed right because people were like this is crazy i'm out of here and a lot of people flocked to south america and central american countries and i think they burnt out on the lack of trust because there is something about white society right i mean it's why everybody wants to move to white countries is there's there's a high trust society i think people said well the thing that's interesting about places like latvia and bulgaria and hungary i've had a number of clients and close friends move to hungary um is they didn't go full on with all the new world order agenda they didn't import massive amounts of african migrants and and muslim migrants and so they maintained a strong culture and trust yes they're not say as great of a tax haven as say you know some places in central america and things like that but it like what do you what do you want like what do you value and so i think for everybody it kind of like put it all on the table and then go from there and decide what it is It is because the thing I find about Western law and this is across the board in Europe essentially is that there is these principles and law that are kind of universal in that world And yes, there's corruption in all countries. There's no question about it. But the corruption is usually concentrated to the central banking pedophiles, right? whereas the the the average sort of government worker bureaucrat it's not like mexico or central america where they're all corrupt and you know as as our buddy jeff berwick says is like a thousand pesos can pretty much get you out of anything and it's it's kind of true um but the the risk that clients of mine who are say sitting on a hundred million dollars of assets have when they go to a place like that is that now you got to deal with the cartel right and understanding the maxims of equity means nothing when it comes to the cartel. And so you're playing a different game. So I think human beings can be free anywhere, but what's most important is to understand, lay it all on the table, even play a game with your spouse and put it on sticky notes or cards and lay it all out. These are the things that are non-negotiable for me. And then these things are sort of negotiable. And that's a process that I do with clients of mine that are trying to figure out where they want to go. That's what we do. We look at all these things. Because some people are, there's certain things that are really, really key, and others they're willing to be flexible on. So your geography is in the mix too, right? Like where you want to be. I find a lot of people want to live in a way that they're sort of familiar. year you know so if you're born and raised in arizona you might want to sort of be a similar climate whereas you might not want to be in the humid tropics but you might say well i don't mind a boreal climate which say has hot and dry summers but i don't mind a bit of a winter because i'm kind of used to that seasonality if you live high elevation in say a place like arizona you're kind of used to that so you kind of you pick and choose you know because the neat thing about the world is that there's a lot of places like arizona in the world that aren't in arizona there's a lot of places like british columbia in the world that aren't and so you can say okay well you know eastern russia or or or south um southwestern russia is actually a lot like north carolina and and close to ukraine temperate you know so it's it's interesting yeah i i saw the map of mediterranean climate world map and you'll see these like a little region california you go Oh, that's where they grow grapes. And you go, I didn't know that about the world. I didn't know that it was set up that way. So these are areas where you could, I don't know, if you're from Central Valley, California, and you're used to it, and you're looking for a place to relocate, you may be heading to Europe or something. Exactly. Yeah. Or even parts of Russia. Russia has this, if you look at a map of Russia, it's really interesting. There's this total golden zone that is, the map's not in front of you, but I think it's close to the Black Sea. It's kind of close to Ukraine. And Ukraine, I wouldn't want to move to Ukraine, but close to there is a very, very interesting climate. And there's all these small little towns and has this very old way of life that is just unlike what we're in now, where everybody's on phones and stuff like that. There are parts of the world that have kind of maintained these old communities where people are just people and they're just living really simple. That's appealing to a lot. It is appealing. I know. I know. I say, you know, I've watched sort of how I've gone in my evolution over life. It's like I wanted to be where the action was when I was younger. Now, the older I get, it's like I would prefer like I move a little bit back out of the way. I'd rather not be in the city. I'd rather be. And then you make that calculation of like, well, all right, I have a kid like they have to interact in this world. So how close do I have to be to civilization to still do all that stuff? But how how much further? And exactly. Every step I fantasize in my mind that I'll just, it'll be a little bit further out. The next house we'll buy will just be a little bit further out until eventually we've done it. We've backed ourselves into some canyon somewhere that nobody, where nobody's looking or whatever, you know, and you can put the fence up and nobody will come and get you. Well, today, yeah. I mean, today that's actually more possible because the internet has allowed us, a lot of people make money online. And so, and post COVID, the cities just don't offer what they used to, you know, the cities have become completely woke. They're dysfunctional. They're flooded with third world migrants. The crime rates are out of control. There's just way less appeal to live in a city now. So, yeah. yeah where are your clients coming from you're in canada but they're not all canadian i'm assuming since as we're saying you can do this job kind of anywhere and there's a lot of people thinking about where they you know finding you online um yeah who are they are they western people are they mostly well i would say i mean for my my law clients yeah they're pretty much exclusively canadian maybe one percent are american that i help them with some some stuff um but my clients on land our vast majority are american so as far as um freedom farmers helping people it's mostly american uh that's just like our businesses in the u.s it's an arizona company so it's yeah it's in the u.s and it's just a numbers game i mean there's more than 10 times the amount of people in the u.s than there is in canada and so because i've been out there online uh it's just kind of been that way forever i've been a bona fide american in a way i could i could have moved there a long time ago i decided to stay where i am but yeah i would say as far as helping people on land and farms and those things yeah a vast majority are americans what about i mean now you can do anything you could launch a business right you're getting you what what's this i mean with with your group at freedom farmers kind of like a makeshift network right like kind of like your own little community there yeah we've got a community of people that are yeah actively looking to get on the land i mean our our sort of flagship product at freedom farmers is the homestead accelerator it's essentially a real estate listing service that assesses homestead real estate around mostly america if our clients ask us like we've had clients in australia and New Zealand and all over, even Mexico, Central America. If they want us to review properties there, we will. We do a monthly call with me where people can, in real time, just throw properties at me and I'll look at them. I'll pull up all the data and I'll say yes, no, maybe so. Basically, we have a team for that product, Homestead Accelerator, that reviews active listings, mostly in the US because, again, 90% of our clients are there. of listings in the US. And then they go through this process where we analyze them based on these things called the 11 scales of permanence. So it's a lens in which we evaluate property, kind of like the eight forms of capital in a way, where we say, okay, what's the climate? What's the topography? What's the water? What are any threats near the property that could compromise your wellbeing? We basically put them through that analysis and then we post them on the site. So you can go on our little map site and you can see active listings. And we don't make any money on the listing. We basically just charge for the service. But people can look at that listing. And if it's listed on our website, it's approved by me. It's a good homestead. We have varying degrees of how they're rated. We say if it's an A property, it's basically a turnkey, everything there. There's capacity for food, water, energy, shelter. It has multiple sources of water. it has good land arable land the home is nice it basically meets all the criteria but those properties are more expensive just by their nature and then there's a b property which is basically it has all the fundamentals of a great homestead but you might need to replace the roof on the house you might need to put in a better driveway kind of thing but it's all there and then we have bargain properties we call c properties which it has all the fundamentals it can be great but it's you're going to need to fix the house or maybe build one It could be raw land. You got to put in a driveway. You got to do all the stuff, but the land itself is good. But I typically advise people to not. If you want to get on the land, don't buy raw land unless you're a real solid trades guy. Because in today's world of how expensive things are, the economics aren't great. But if you're, say, a skilled carpenter who can run a backhoe and operate machinery, you know how to form concrete, and you can essentially have all the skills to build a house sure buy raw land but if you're just somebody who's doesn't have any trades and you want to get on a homestead and you're buying raw land be prepared to spend a lot of money you'll spend you'll spend more money than it's than you would if you bought a place that had a house interesting but that's just because of today's prices really what's the process do you do gardens first before you introduce animals do you do gardens and animals at the same time do you do chickens first because they're easy like what is yeah is there is is there is it like don't don't make your life too difficult start by growing food if you kill it you know you killed a carrot not a not a goat or something but like what would you how does that process that that's a really complicated it's a good question it's complicated because it all depends on your context like it all depends on what you're good at doing what the land you're looking at is capable of providing without much work so i would say it depends but i would say by and large you what you want to be able to do is get situated on the land in some way or another so that you can exist there and kind of see how things go. Like I'll paint a perfect case scenario for you. A best case scenario is you buy a property that has some kind of house. Like maybe you want to build your dream home. That's often people's like, it's on their bucket list, right? So, but you buy a property that has something you can live in for the time being. So maybe you're not ready to sell your home in the burbs or the city yet. and you can buy a place. This is an ideal scenario. It's actually sort of what I did is you buy the place and there's a house there so that you can go there and spend time, but not full time. So you don't have to sell your house right away. You can spend time in that house and you can see a little bit of each season. So you can see what winter looks like, see what a spring, a summer and a fall looks like, and then sort of incrementally add things as you need them. So you get in there, put in a little bit of a vegetable garden just so you can get some stuff going you know um maybe you find a place you want to put some trees start planting some trees just kind of incrementally bring things in then you can sell your house now you're kind of situated there there's some infrastructure there you maybe you put a secondary well in or you had to drill a well or something like that get some things in so that when you start you're not just like thrown in the mix because a big mistake a lot of people make is they go too hard too quick and then they're burnt out in a year and we saw this during the covid show and that's actually when i launched the homestead accelerator program because i saw this massive demand of people who wanted to get on the land but and i made a prediction then and i was i was proven right but i said that i predict what we're going to see is all these turn and burn homestead properties are going to come up for sale in three years and boom, they're all for sale right now. So during COVID, all these sort of people that thought they had what it took to go and live on the land went full on. They went out there, they had, maybe they sold their house and they had $500,000 in cash. They built some off-grid infrastructure. They built gardens. They built chicken coops. They brought some cows on there. They took on way too much too quick and they burnt out in two years and now those properties are for sale and they're often on our website and they're often being sold for cheap. because people were just like, I can't do this. But now the COVID restrictions are down, so I don't mind moving back into the city. So yeah, you can find some of those places right now and you can tell because you can see there was all this like really quick infrastructure that wasn't completed, set up. There's a lot of those places for sale right now. How do you build a compound? You know, like you said, you get the first house and maybe you add on incrementally, but what does an ideal compound have? Well, that's what I have. I have what I call a family compound. So there's kind of different ways you can do it. You could go the intentional community route and say with five families, go and start something, right? That would be more of the intention. The result is the same in the sense that you've got a piece of land that has all the primary infrastructure to say survive an apocalypse where there's there's no going in or out there's there's you know the world is chaotic i don't i don't like to say these things and and promote fear that's not at all like i just i think you know you know i mean but i just say like prepare for the worst hope for the best is you you need to think about four things primarily food water energy and shelter those are the primary things there's all kinds of other things that are important to security education of your children there's like a litany of things but food water energy shelter without those things nobody survives full stop so you need to think about those things first is okay each of those things okay so for food systems for example uh we need protein we need fats we need carbohydrates we need like the basic stuff for to survive what are those things okay we probably start with something simple let's start of the vegetable garden because that's simple. Then let's bring in some egg layers because to get to have chickens laying eggs, that's fairly simple. Then let's start doing chickens for meat. We can do 50 to 100 birds a year. A small family can handle that or a group of friends can handle that. Then let's say, maybe let's bring in some small-scale livestock. Let's start with some goats or some sheep. It depends on the land, right? It all depends on your land and what it has the capacity for. But you kind of go from there. And then you say, okay, let's look at our water systems. you always want to have at least two sources of water because if one doesn't work what are you going to do and if you don't have power to pump water how are you going to get water so you might say okay well the there's one water system that came with the property it's it's tied to the agricultural land water is so it we turn on the tops they work there we get this water it could be from a municipality whatever Let build a really simple pit well So let dig a 10 20 deep well put a culvert in it put some drain rock around it cover it up with something and then that'll seasonally fill up with the wax and wane of the water season or the snow melt. Or then you might say, well, let's drill a proper deep water well. let's bring in a drilling rig that's going to cost 30 grand to do it things like that you want to start thinking about systems and so um it basically go down the line for energy same thing you might you might have a property and it has grid power okay great you got power so that you can use stuff you can run power tools you can build things but now you might want to decentralize that so a first step would be make sure you got at least a simple backup generator so if the lights go out you got something maybe it's a small gas power honda propane generator diesel generator whatever it is there's all kinds of options thinking about how do you go from i like to think about in a scale is you go from dependency to sovereignty and what's in between so we all start dependent right you show up at the grocery store there's food there well what do you do if there isn't a step towards less dependency would be to have seven days of food in your on in your pantry right then from there 30 days. Then you might go from less dependency to a state of security where you've got a garden, you've got a year's worth of food. Then you go to a state of resiliency where you've got bigger gardens, you've got well over a year of stored food, you've got a year or more of stored seed. Then you go to a state of sovereignty where now you've got multiple systems that interact and benefit one another in sort of a holistic way. And so I like to think about all of these things, food, water, energy, shelter, in that how do you go from dependency to sovereignty? And it's all just ratcheting up slowly. It doesn't have to be like people look at my homestead and they're just like, that's crazy. How am I going to get there? Well, one step at a time and just think about all the things that you need and how you just ratchet up slowly to get to that point where you've got multiple systems of each thing. Like on my homestead, I've got multiple food systems. I've got three different sources of water and two of them I can get without any electricity. I've got multiple sources of power. I've got solar. I've got a diesel backup. I even have a small-scale gas generator. I've got multiple forms of heat. I can heat with propane. I can heat with wood. I can heat with electricity. So it's kind of thinking like that. The more multiple systems you have, the more resiliency you have because it's always going to be the case that one thing doesn't work when you want it to. yeah yeah man you don't want to find out the hard way when you're that's it your water stops working that you've uh you that you you fucked up and didn't didn't didn't think two steps ahead that's uh what about let me ask you what about the the practicality of buying land or homestead or something like this is there financing available for this dude the banks less says Not really. That's the tough thing. Some do, but it is generally speaking harder to... Well, it's certainly the case with off-grid properties. Very few will finance them, though there are some exceptions I know, and there's a lot of different options out there, so I can't really speak to say there's this plan and this plan and this plan. That's not what I do. But generally speaking, an off-grid property is harder to finance. And so there's nothing wrong with being on the grid, but it's like, again, it comes into what are your negotiables and non-negotiables? Like, how on the grid do you want to be? And what does on the grid technically mean? Because people debate me all the time. They say, oh, Curtis, you're online, therefore you're on the grid. Well, it's like, yeah, okay, yeah, I got Starlink to do the Zoom call with Charlie. But I'm off the grid in all of my forms of power and water and all these things. And so, yeah, it's kind of a mixed bag. You kind of have to decide, you know, how close to civilization do you want to be? Because everybody's life is unique. Like you might have kids that are still in school or something, or your kids are teenagers and they don't want to leave their friend circle. These are challenges that parents are dealing with all the time that I talk to. They can't get out until their kids are 18 because now the kids can go on their own and then they're going to run to the house. That creates the problem you said, which is there aren't going to be any strong hands there on the homestead to help out if everyone is waiting until they turn 18 so that they can leave. I get that, and I can understand that being a real headache for people to decide, like, when do I go? Like, we're stuck into the school system. Well, and how do you go? Because, like, I'll tell you, I mean, the vast majority of my clients are 60 plus. and so this is a serious challenge for them that they i'm often kind of bringing them down to reality because they're thinking they're going to run to the hills and do all this homesteading stuff but it's like how many good years of your body do you have and you know you you could do it probably most of my clients that come to me are healthy people and very physically capable and such. And if you're 60 now, you probably got another 15 years plus where you can be chopping firewood and doing some level of heavy lifting. But what happens when things go south? What happens when the unexpected happens? And that's the number one thing that people don't think about when they get off grid. Because I remember when I was actually, when you and I last hung out at Anarcho Poco 2023, when I was connecting, we were going to hang out in Mexico City when we were sleeping in those pods remember that yeah when i was when i had that six hour layover in mexico city or whatever it was it was more than six hours i think um my off-grid system here went out and so jeff burwick called me uh i think it might have been december or something we had a mild winter because i i wasn't going to go that year because we were only a couple years into being on this homestead and i had so much to do with managing the snow up here that i was like there's no way I can leave my family. And my kids were still too young. We didn't want to take them to Mexico. So my wife at the time said, yeah, just go. So I said to Jeff, yeah, I'm in, count me in. So I'm flying to Mexico City. And the day I get there and the day I landed in Mexico City, I get a distressed text message from her saying, the system's down. The power system is down. And it just snowed two feet the day I left. So here I am stuck in Mexico and my wife can't even turn the power on and there's barely any cell service at our place so she had to go to a certain place to get one bar of signal so she can text me but to my to my benefit i had a sort of a system in place so that if this happens this is what i'll tell her to do and i did it i coached her how to reboot the system and everything with a limited amount of text she got the system back up boom lights came back on all good but it was a moment where you're just like oh my goodness my family is there without me the guy who does all the homesteading chores and there's no power and it's the dead of winter and there's two feet of snow on the ground yeah man that's so you so that's a real lesson in communication and understanding that you have to develop these systems so that i don't know maybe there's a maybe somebody's got a binder in a drawer somewhere that's right the instruction manual on how to do this but you yeah you yeah flow charts there you go yes then that and and walk yourself through that that system but but but again that's a preparedness mindset you make that binder and put it in the top drawer it's almost a guarantee you'll never need it right but the fact that you actually made it and did that it tells the universe we're good you can go you know what i find that's sort of a universal truth as soon as you have that plan it almost ensures that it never happens yeah the universe is when you don't have the plan that's when it happens we're gonna go mess with so we'll go ruin somebody else's day it sounds like you you already have things prepared and and and i'll i'll go mess with with someone else but um um let's wrap up with this at freedom farmers people can buy all kinds of stuff there right yeah there's yeah and yet you got a code that people can use so so um they can support you and um yeah they they there's a whole bunch of stuff in there community is probably one of the hugest things in it. But if people want to get on the land, the homestead accelerator is unbelievably valuable. Nowhere else can you find this kind of data on homesteading because if you're just flipping through listings, it's fun to do. Everybody likes to fantasize. I find that people looking at real estate listings kind of like porn in a way. It's like this guilty pleasure and you'll spend a lot of time at it, but it won't go anywhere. We can take away all that time. And so that's huge and then we've got 20 plus courses in there that they can just kind of binge watch and learn you know everything to do with homesteading and regenerative agriculture growing microgreens mini farms like yeah like the online courses were pretty i mean like pretty insane amount of time years we spent setting that stuff up and and it's all there is legacy content too people can also watch me build my homestead i vlogged the entire creation of this homestead which is pretty much done now um and i put it all up on there just they can go into the video archive and watch hundreds of videos i made vlogging this entire process yeah yeah i you know i've spent 30 years in real estate and but we never did anything fun like this i mean i guess my partners they're buying houses and renovating them but they also have this fantasy of like buying a place in the woods and actually they did they they bought a place out in the desert maybe not the best for water but they had just an awesome opportunity yeah and but they are the types that could actually get out there and build a house that's what they that's what they do i would see that as a little bit too challenging and probably yeah i i certainly wouldn't do it again i mean i'm glad i did it i'm in my house now and it's it's comfortable but it is it's crazy man it's so much especially if if there's a lot of things on the land that have to be done to make it a proper homestead if you have a house that you can at least just move into your life is going to be so much easier because you can renovate right and you can and you can you can modify and customize a home in a lot of different ways and that's another thing too i teach people like i have we have a course in there called finding the perfect homestead property and i show people what to look for how to analyze it yourself because it's good to and i find realtors often get themselves into trouble too because they realtors think they really understand because they know homes well but they don't necessarily know land very well and so most people just they put all their eggs into the home no the home is great therefore the land would be great but i've given a lot of clients over the years bad news to be like you know that land kind of sucks like yeah the home's really nice but the land kind of sucks and so you don't need a big piece right five acres you can you can do five acres you can do you mean i i wrote a whole book on how to do it on less than an acre but but if you really want to have the food water energy and shelter i think five acres is optimal as a start more is better because then you just have boundary like my home set is 40 plus acres and but i only really live on two acres everything i have is on two acres but i like having the buffer i like the privacy i like just being able to go out and do things and not have to worry about some nosy Nelly, you know, some Karen calling the policy department on me or something like that. You know, I just, I like to have the space. So I prefer larger acreage, but you know, for older folks, smaller acreage in an area of other like minded people is probably better. Yeah. You know, man, there's so much to think about with this. And I think a lot of people just had been cruising through life, never even given it a thought until covid came around and that threw a real monkey wrench and and as you said people were maybe a little bit too quick to pull the trigger and they had these fantasies but it's interesting to know that there's discounts out there now you could pick up the what they what they were unable to complete um let's wrap up with this what do you what's 2026 looking like for you and where can people find you yeah 2026 i'm doing less traveling um this year i'm i'm so stoked to be in our ocopoco um but then um i i teach these law workshops um around canada so i'm doing those um if people reach out to me or if they join freedom farmers they'll have a way to reach out to me but i do those in colonna calgary and toronto and then i'm doing one more event um the land summit with john bush in november uh but other than that i'm not i'm not doing as much traveling i'm around and just kind of trying to just readjust to my life as it is now so i'm just spending more time at the homestead uh and yeah people check me out at freedom farmers you've got a link there they can use and um there's a massive if people are serious about getting on the land our service will literally save them years years and it's not that expensive i used to charge and i still do if people want my own consulting. I charge $400 or $500 an hour to look at land, but they can just join our service for $50 a month and get the same thing. And there's way more to look at. We list properties all over the US. And so everything we list is good to go. They're good homesteads. Nothing is mediocre. But if you spend time looking at real estate listings, you'll spend years. i know i've done it i've been in real estate for 30 years i've looked at a million houses online and in person and at some point and my wife that said me one time hey don't you want to come with us we're gonna go look at houses i was like i look at houses all day long i don't want to look at houses no i've seen enough houses unless it's exceptionally weird or exceptionally cool i'm not interested in it because i've seen it all uh that's curtis stone everybody you can go to freedomfarmers.com and check out what he's working on over there go to his off grid with curtis stone YouTube channel. You'll know you're there when it's 600,000 plus subscribers. A lot of people over there checking it out. For those of you who want to connect with me, macroaggressions.io is the website. Best place to do that. Thanks everyone. Thank you.