SC EP:1258 The Fireside Encounter

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved. Almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chunting away back and forth, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet to what I saw with bears. 911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better. Sheriff? See ya. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9". I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. This is Larry Duggan from Philadelphia and you are listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show. Tonight we'll be speaking with Ryan and Amalyn and they come to us from West Virginia. Ryan owns about 30 acres out there and he told me he said, you know, over the years we've heard a lot of really weird vocalizations. And just a couple years ago Amalyn actually saw the creature and I'll let Amalyn go into it. Then we'll wrap up with Taylor who comes to us from Arkansas. Let Emily go into it. Then we'll wrap up with Taylor, who comes to us from Arkansas. And on a very recent trip with her husband down the Buffalo River, they saw what they thought were people. And the more that they looked at them, the more they realized they weren't people. And that night while camping, something very strange happened and I'll let Taylor go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west at saskwatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out saskwatchchronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I wanna welcome Emelyn to the show. Emelyn, thanks for coming on. Yeah, of course. Yeah, and I know that we have your father, Ryan here. But if you would, Emelyn, this encounter was a couple of years back, take your time, what were you doing? And tell me what you saw. Yeah, so we live on a 60 acre farmland and we have wood surrounding our house and I've always been able to explore around there and we've always seen like little strange things. But that night, me and my dad, we had built a fire from a very young age, so I was educated on it. So I kind of just started up and he went inside to give you snacks, use the bathroom, et cetera. And we had always suspected that we have had big foots or cryptids in the woods because we've always seen little strange things and we've always heard some like hoots and hollers. But that night, I turned to my left and I see this, I wanna say, eight to nine foot thing and it's just standing there at the very edge of the woods, just staring at me while I'm tending to the fire. It kind of had this grayish to brown fur on it and the eyes were glowing or orangey red, kind of. Really the biggest thing that stood out to me was there was like no facial expression, all you could see were just like the eyes glowing. It was kind of like posted up on this tree, just like standing there. At that time, I was like, what is this thing? Like, what is staring at me? Am I in danger? And I'm my adrenaline just spiked and I just sat there sitting there like, what am I gonna do in this situation? So I look over a couple more times to make sure I'm not hallucinating. But then again, in my mind, I'm like, okay, I gotta get inside, I gotta go get my dad. So I look over the last time, it's still standing there, I kind of like shift him back and forth a little bit and I just dead sprint to the house. I get to our steps and I look back, it's just gone. I heard nothing, it had just vanished. And by that time, the adrenaline had kind of run out and I just started crying. So I gotta get my dad. We go out and look and we found a tree branch that's kind of snapped and even my dad couldn't read it. He's like super tall. So we found that super strange. And we didn't, the leaves where it was at was kind of like pushed out as if like something was standing there. It's very scary to run into one of these things. It's very unnerving. And you know, Emelina, a lot of eyewitnesses, they'll describe the face lacking that expression you're talking about. A lot of eyewitnesses will say it kind of had like a stone face. And this might be a difficult question to answer, but what do you think its intentions were? Honestly, I think it was just a little bit curious. It didn't seem mad. It just kind of seemed like super curious or confused. Like it was standing there like, what is this thing next to this glowing piece of hot flame? I think it was just like, confused or, what's the word? Curious? Yeah. Yeah, curious or not, it's still unnerving to have it standing there watching you. Did you ever hear it walk up? No, I just, I was out there for maybe 10 minutes. I just look over stairs like no, no leaves crunching, no stakes breaking just just there. It just appeared. Let me ask you, you had mentioned that there was a lot of weird things going on in that property. What are some things that you've experienced? Well, back then I had a tree house. I would love to go out there. And I would always hear hoots and hollers. Like not very often though, it was like once a monthly thing. And there's always, there would always just be like random twigs snapping when like the forest, like there's nothing around me. And one moment it would be like full and live of birds then dead silent the next. And we, me and my dad the day after the incident happened, we go out and we put little like three marbles and a bird, four marbles, my bad. And a bird feather and we come back the next day and we find three rocks and like a different bird feather, which we found super strange. Yeah, that is super strange. It's hard to know what's doing it unless you actually see it, but you guys giving three rocks and getting three different rocks back. It is really weird. I'll agree with you on that. Out there on this property, have you ever seen the lights we talk about on the show? Yeah, actually this one time I can recall, it was getting late at night and I was like, oh crap, I have to go home. And I'm walking up to, because I was down at the creek, I was walking up the hill and I just see this like kind of light thing kind of like hovering just like, is that like a flashlight? Is like dad coming to look for me? And I get a little bit closer and I look away for a second and then it's just gone. Vanished out thin air. Many eyewitnesses report that. The lights just kind of blinking out. Have you ever seen one in the future on the property? Keep your distance from it, don't get too close. I mean, you're a smart kid, you know that. I wanted to ask you, do you think the creatures are there all the time? Or do you think they only pass through at certain times of the year? I think they're here all the time. No, I feel like they hide during the day, they come out at night and kind of knock on Rome at night and just go hide in the day. Yeah, that might be true most of the time. There is a lot of sightings, I know yours was at night, but there's a lot of sightings during the day as well. When you looked over and you saw this creature, how much taller do you think this creature was compared to like your father? Well, my dad's like six three, so I'm guessing a good solid three feet, like higher than him, so like nine foot. And your dad's a pretty big guy, Emelene, I mean, I would imagine next to this creature, he probably would have looked tiny. You know, when you hear the vocalizations and you think they're on the property, that's one thing. But when you see the creature, it's a whole another thing. How did it kind of affect you seeing it or did it? It scared me a lot. I did not like go out down to the creek, I didn't go in the woods for a little while after it, since I was terrified of like seeing something like that again, it took me a few months to get like super comfortable back into the woods and that encounter actually inspired me to start watching the show actually. Well, I appreciate you listening to the show. You know, Emelene, I ask everyone, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? What do you think these creatures are? I think they could just be very, very intelligent apes of some sort, or kind of alien like, if that makes sense, like covered for aliens. I think they just came and they've just stuck around. What makes you think alien? I mean, I feel like some of the, I don't essentially think Bigfoot is an alien. I think some of the light orbs are extra terrestrial beings, but I do think Bigfoot is more of a ape-like species that has evolved a little bit more. Yeah, and it was okay if you thought that Sasquatch was an alien. No one really knows what it is. I was telling the members last night, I was talking to this UFO guy, and I swear after like 30 minutes of listening to him, he brought up a lot of good points about Sasquatch being an alien. I don't know if I personally go along with it, but he did bring up some good points. It's important to kind of listen to everyone. I think what bugs me about your encounter, and you'll often hear this from younger people who've had an encounter, is the fact that the creature waited until your dad left before it actually made an appearance. That's why I was kind of curious on what you think the intention was, and I agree with you, it might have just been curiosity. I mean, from the size of the thing, if it wanted to hurt you, it could have, and it didn't. And I really appreciate you taking the time to share what happened to you, Emelon. I was going to chat with your dad. Was there anything else you wanted to kind of add to it? Nothing really, I just wanted to thank you for letting me have this experience of my dad for coming on. Oh, it was my pleasure, sweetie. My pleasure, sweetheart, having you on the show. It takes a lot of guts to come on. I really appreciate it. It was my pleasure, and I really appreciate you coming on. Hey, Wes. Hey, Ryan. Thanks for coming on. You got a great kid there. Oh, well, thank you. I wish when I was Emelon's age, I was half as smart and half as well-spoken. I was just short of a chimpanzee when I was her age. When did you guys start noticing weird stuff going on and around the property prior to Emelon seeing it? About, and I'm trying to think, Emelon's 13. So about 10 years ago, my sister acquired 30 acres just shortly thereafter. I was able to acquire the 30 acres next to it. So between my sister and I, we have 30 acres, fields, oak trees, some apple trees that were left over from the previous farming days when it was a different family that owned it. And then there's a creek that runs down along the back. And we're the only ones out there. So I don't know. When I first started noticing things, I guess it would be maybe like we would always be out. Emelon was three or four or five and burned fires and started hanging out next to the house in the nice weather. And then sometimes we'd sit on the front porch and I'd be like, is that a coyote? Or what does that sound? And then we would listen and sometimes it's kind of like a hoop or like it doesn't quite sound like a coyote. It's different, but it's far off. And so behind us where that creek runs, that kind of runs into a ways away like a water reservoir. And then eventually that kind of flows and you could go all the way to the New River and the New River Gorge, you know, from where we're at and walk that kind of creek to get there. So there's homes around us, but they're sparse. So I don't know. It's kind of like maybe it's just a corridor or something is kind of what I'm thinking, but I don't, you know, I'm not 100% sure. You know, I mean, I believe Emelon, I just it would make sense to me if that was if that was like a corridor, then maybe they use that because it's less people and it, you know, they can they can move in and out of there and cover a large distance without, you know, being seen. But we really, you know, we really before Emelon had her sighting, we just heard, you know, the occasional hooper, the occasional, you know, kind of like it just didn't sound like the normal kind of coyote sounds that we would hear definitely not like a bear. I never heard like a big growl or anything like that. But after Emelon's experience, then it seems like it kind of just the odd, the little things were, you know, maybe I just paid more attention to it. But I seem like I saw a few other things, you know, we did the gifting in the woods and put some marbles on a log. And I was like a like a turkey feather. We find those in the field on the hayfield on the edge of the woods, especially in the spring. So anyway, put like a turkey feather on a dead tree and some marbles on this like kind of mossy log. And then Emelon went to her mom's for a couple of days and, you know, came back and her and I were the ones that knew about it. My wife, my son, he's much younger. He's at that time, he was just just an infant at that time. So they didn't know about it. We get us out there a couple of days and then she came back and her and I went and checked it and there's a couple of, you know, the marbles were gone. They weren't there, but there was like these three rocks, but they look, they're not like gravel from a driveway rocks. They are like rocks from down by the river, you know, size of your palm. And then the feather wasn't a turkey feather. It was a crow feather. It was further down on the dead log from where I'd left the other one and kind of like wedged up in there and some other little random things. But that's kind of writing around that time period when she had her sighting. Yeah, you know, the portion of Emelon's encounter, I've heard a million times from kids is a creature seems to show up when the parents aren't around. And I don't know what the intention was, obviously, if it wanted to hurt her, it would have, and it didn't. But I don't know why that bothers me so much. I think because I wouldn't put up with that from a human. So why would I put up with it from whatever these things are? Take me back to that night. You go walking into the home kind of from your perspective. Tell me about what happened that night. Well, the first thing was like when I got to the back door, it was it's just the timing was like almost. I mean, it's just perfect timing, I guess, for like when I got up and left. I wasn't inside long. I mean, I used the bathroom and I grabbed some snacks and a drink. But right as I got to the back door, like we have the glass back door to the back step. Like as soon as I was reaching for the handle, Emelon was almost like she was on the other side reaching for the handle. Like we met each other at the door and. And she was crying, you know, and I was, you know, obviously I'm like, what happened? Did you, you know, I'm thinking maybe she got burned or like. I just asked her, so what happened? And, you know, she was crying and trying to get it together. And, you know, she's like something was in the woods there. You know, and I'm like, what was in the woods? You know, like our dogs were inside. They weren't outside with us. And which maybe that's another reason too that she had her experience. We've got a couple of big dogs and. But anyway, so I was like, it wasn't the dogs. And so I'm trying to think of what like what would be in the woods. Was it a bear? Is what I think. And maybe it was a bear, you know, so I mean, I grabbed a flashlight and I was just showing me where it was, you know, and I said, it's okay. You're safe and try to get her calm down. And my biggest thing was to make sure that she was, wasn't hurt. And she wasn't, you know, she's fine. She's just scared, you know, so whatever it was scared her. I'm getting that much out of it. And so we went and looked with a flashlight and. And the fire pit is, I don't know, it's maybe like 70 to 100 feet from the back door, depending on what side of the fire pit you're on. And, and it's just stacked stone. Like, there was like an old stone wall that like a retaining wall when we tore down the farmhouse and some of that stone I saved. And so I had it like kind of stacked in a circle, like a nice fire pit. And then the wood lines, maybe another 30 feet from the fire, 20, 30 feet, something like that. And she walks right over to where she said, she saw this thing. And so I'm looking with the flashlight and I'm shining it in the woods and I'm shining around and I don't see anything, don't hear anything. But she's like right here. And I'm like, like right, like right here where I'm standing, you know, and she's like, yeah. And she's like, it's a little further over there by the pine tree. So I'm like, okay, so I'm shining. I'm looking at the ground and I just remember like, obviously I went and stood there, but before I stood there, I remember like looking at the ground and it seemed like the leaves were like flattened where like the leaves in the woods, like oak leaves in the woods. And that time of the year, it's like, all the leaves are green. The leaves in the woods, they kind of, you know, they're not flat unless something lays on them or stands on them, you know, I just remember seeing that and I'm like, okay, well, like this is the spot. She's like, yeah, that's the spot. So I stood there and I'm like, okay, well, right next, you know, if I'm looking at the fire to my right is this pine tree, pretty decent sized pine tree. And I'm standing next to it and kind of like that look up and there's like a branch, maybe, I don't know, I got a decent size hand, probably a little bit bigger than my middle finger, long little branch coming off of it. And it's kind of like broken, but it's not snapped completely off. It's still kind of is attached. Like it's been bent broken, if that makes sense. And it's out of my reach, but I can see it with the flashlight. I just remember thinking, well, that's, it's odd. And then we looked around some more and I kind of walked into the woods a little bit, but I didn't go way down to the creek or anything because she was with me and she was scared. And so we just said, okay, well, that's enough for the fire tonight. And got her back inside and got her calm down. And I remember like laying up there with her, you know, next to her and asking her, and she was just kind of telling me about everything she saw and, you know, that it was taller than me. I remember being there next to the tree, asking her how tall it was. And she was like taller and I put my arm up and I'm six, three and 210 pounds. And she said it was above my hand. And so, I mean, that's got to be, it's tall, whatever it was. Yeah, I really think she probably saw one of these creatures. I know you guys have bears out there in West Virginia and Emelons, the smart girl, she would have known if it was a bear or not. And a bear is not going to just stand there on two legs and watch her. And I don't blame her for how she reacted. I probably would have reacted the same way. I probably would have been back there in tears trying to open that back door as well. I mean, I probably would have been in tears too if I'd have saw it, you know. And I don't think it was a bear either. I mean, I think Bigfoot or Sasquatch or whatever you want to call it. I think the creature that she saw is what she saw. And so, I was talking about my dogs not being there. And my dogs are usually always out with us. And actually, we would put them inside, have like an Australian Shepherd and then like a German Shepherd lab mix. And at that time, we had another dog as well. But yeah, they were inside and they weren't barking or going nuts or anything like that. Like they seed deer outside. Now it's dark. So obviously they're not going to see anything. But like in the daytime, like after this happened, I just think this is odd. But every morning I let them out. They beeline it barking kind of down to that general area past where the fire pit is. And they go into the woods. My dogs do every morning. And for the longest time, I would always be like, oh, they're chasing deer. I holler for them. They'll come right back. But then after this happened, I would always think when I let my dogs out, I'd be like, I wonder if they know something I don't know, you know, like they always go to that same spot into the woods, barking. And then they'll come back and they're fine. They're happy. They're not scared. But it's like, it's just kind of like their thing every morning. So yeah, that kind of after Emily had that, I thought about that. And then I hear some things occasionally. And and then here recently, my wife's godparents were visiting and we kind of have like above our garage, like there's windows and you can look out into the woods. And behind the garage, it's kind of like a little apartment, you know, or whatever above our garage. And the windows in the back and the front, both sides, the front faces the field and in the back faces the wood line. I have like a firewood pile behind it. My wife's godmother came in and was like, did you know, did Ryan put that deer skull on the tree by the by the wood pile? And James like, what deer skull like, what are you talking about? And, you know, she asked me about it. I was like, no, and I was like, can I been getting firewood over there? I went along and never saw that. And so anyway, we went out and looked at it and it's just above my reach. I mean, if I stood on something like a log or stump or something, I could probably reach it. But if I'm just standing on the ground, I couldn't reach it. But it's this six point lanched white from the sun skull. But it's upside down and it's like in the oak tree. And it's like the little oak branches that are the new growth that are starting are kind of like holding it in place, you know, like it was set there. Like it's just odd. But I have no clue how it got there. And then I thought, would, you know, would a bobcat drag it up there? But what a mountain lion. I mean, they say there's none in West Virginia. I don't know if there is or not. I've never seen one. I've had friends that have said they've seen them. I was like, just, you know, but there's no sign or scratch marks on the tree or the bark or, I don't know, it's just weird. And then like one time, maybe a week after that or two weeks after that, I was walking along the edge of the field with my dogs in the morning. And my dog Stella was barking over by the woods and I went over there and there's like a, like a deer leg. But again, there's like no fur, no meat on it. It's just like the bones. But it's again up in a tree limb, like on the edge of the field. And I'm like, why would there be a deer leg up in the tree? Right. I didn't, I never touched either one of them. They're still in the trees. I just leave them be. Yeah, that is kind of weird. It's actually really weird. You know, when I was talking to Emily and she had brought up a time where she saw a light on the property. Have you ever seen the lights on the property that we talk about? You know, the orb, I don't know if it was an orb that I saw. It, it, it may have been. And then I saw something just very briefly. I came out onto my front porch one night to let the dogs out and I don't have the lights on outside. And it's like pretty stars and clear sky. But it was almost like right as I walked out and I kind of looked over to where the dogs always run. It's almost as much as like as quick as my brain registered that is like, is that a light? It was gone. Like it was not. It was almost like because I had not like it's almost like that I perceived it. It went out. If that makes any sense. And I don't know if it was or wasn't because it happened so fast. But I do remember being like, was that a flashlight? Was that a light? And then of course my dogs are out running around and I hollered for them and they came right back over and I just kind of stood there and never saw anything and never hear anything. And I was like, I wonder what that was. You know, and I kind of walked over across the yard with the dogs in that general area and towards the hay field and there's nothing over there and no sounds and I don't hear anybody talking. Like we don't get a lot of trespassers and not that I think somebody would be out there trespassing at night, but I guess they could. But I was just checking to make sure and nothing. So I just went back over to the house and it's really the only time that I ever experienced that. And again, I don't know if it was an orb or not. It just was like a light as quickly as I noticed that it was gone. Yeah, I would be curious to know if those lights actually show back up. It sounds like you guys are out there all the time in the woods. And so I would imagine if they show up, you would see them. I asked your daughter what she thought Sasquatch is. What's kind of your take? Um, I don't know. I don't know. I think if the creature exists, which I do believe it does, maybe it's like a guardian or if it's, you know, can come and go be seen, not seen, you know, obviously, I think there's intelligence, high, high level intelligence that's there because, you know, from what my daughter experienced, I mean, it didn't make any sound. It was there and it was gone as quickly as it revealed itself. If that's the case, then that's, I mean, I can't do that. I'm like I said, I'm six, three and two, 10. And if I walk up in the woods, you're going to hear me walking. Yeah, you and me, both brother. You know, you're going to, you're going to hear the sticks and the leaves. I mean, even if I'm trying to be quiet, I mean, I might, yeah, I could probably get close, but but I don't, you know, I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's, you know, terrestrial, like of the planet or non terrestrial, not from the planet. I guess I always say that it's, you know, the things that I see that are odd things. I just say, oh, it's a gift. So I kind of am looking at it in a positive perspective and not a negative one. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it's an ape. I don't know if it's alien. I don't know if it's from this planet or not. The only thing I do know is that it's intelligent for sure. Yeah, I would agree. Whatever they are, they're very intelligent. And be safe on that property. I would love to know if anything else happens. Keep me up to date, will you? Yeah, for sure. I've, you know, I've got your email. If anything ever pops off or we see something or something else is, you know, experienced. I mean, I'll send you an email. I think, you know, we're out there. We spend a lot of time. Amlin has a dirt bike. She rides and our dogs are out there. We'll go down to the creek. There's trout that you can fish down there. We're in the woods and, you know, Amlin's not, you know, she goes in the woods still. Like, and she'll go like the other day, she went down to the creek. She goes by herself. She's like, just tells me where she's going. She's like, I'm gonna go down there and fish and she came back up, you know, with mud all over where she slipped and fell, you know, in the side of the bank, you know, but she's okay. And I'm okay. And the little oddities that are there, I just, like I said, I just say their gifts and I smile about it and go on about my day. Yeah, I think it's a good mindset and I understand your mindset. You know, kids sometimes pick up on our vibes and I like the fact that you, you're being positive about it and I really appreciate you and Amlin coming on. I really enjoyed chatting with you guys. Hey, yo, thank you very much and I appreciate and it's good talking to you and I hope you have a great day. Okay. You as well. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Taylor. Taylor, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me on with. Yeah, and you and your husband had this camping trip on the Buffalo River there in Arkansas. I've had so many encounters come off that Buffalo River. I actually did a search on the website and it was a lot more episodes than I thought. If you would take me back to when you guys were on that river, that whole camping trip, how long ago was this? Because I get the impression it's pretty recent. And if you would start from the very beginning, what were you guys doing and what happened? Yeah, so this, the incident or the encounter or whatever you want to call it that I emailed you about was actually just this past weekend. So just a few days ago and I wasn't going to send you anything, but you had posted an episode on the day that I had this encounter on Saturday. And the guy Rick that you spoke with talked about how a lady had an encounter of an orb that had like maybe gone through the screen door or something like that, but they had gotten it tested the door and it had an astronomical amount of radiation. And then that lady had gotten sick a few days later with like flu like symptoms and they asked her in the hospital if she has been exposed to any radiation. But that episode just resonated with me and I felt like just the a few things that are strange that had happened in mine and my husband's lifetime. So my husband and I were going to go float the buffalo. It's beautiful time of year. It just rained. So it was supposed to be optimal floating depths. And so we got the kayaks out and we start we went on it was going to be about a four to six hour float and we had already set up our camp and got it already. So that way we could start at one point. And then when we ended, we would be at our campsite and it would already be ready to go. So we could just cook and hang out and all that. So it wasn't that long after we got into the kayak. We were in a tandem kayak and there's bluffs everywhere. It's really beautiful. A lot of people that have never that don't know a lot about Arkansas don't know. A lot of people think of it as like little Colorado. We have a lot of mountains and hills and rivers and it's stunning. So I was just taking it all in and my husband was as well. We were just kind of like floating. We weren't really paddling or anything. And I glanced over and I saw these caves on the left side of us. And I was like, oh, that's cool. And I was telling my husband, oh, look at these caves over here. And then about that time, I see motion coming around this bluff towards the cave. And I look and I'm like, oh, look, there's people hiking up there. That's cool. Which I'll say it's not abnormal in the area we were floating for there to be people hiking along certain bluffs because there are a lot of trails in that area. I look back at my husband to tap on him to be like, look at this. And as I glance over and I'm trying to find the cave again so I can point at it. And the people that I think at that point are hiking. I see, I noticed they're all brown. Like, I mean, it's not to say people wouldn't wear all brown, especially if you're hiking. But I'm like, they're both all brown. And then my husband is still just in this moment doing his own thing. But I'm looking at him and I'm like, look, look. And one of them was bigger, like an adult size. And the other one was it looked like preteen, maybe a younger teenage age. And the older one looked like it was ushering the younger one, like get in kind of like you would your kids in the car, like you kind of put your arm around them and kind of guide them. Like, come on, let's get in. Hurry on now. And I noticed as it was doing this, it turned its whole body and looked over its shoulder at the river. And as soon as it turned around, it just kind of like ushered the smaller one into the cave. And I glanced over my shoulder to see if my husband was looking. And I was like, look, it's a cave right there. And I'm pointing because, you know, you feel like all this is happening and it's forever. But it's really like maybe 20 seconds or less. But so I'm pointing like look over there and they're gone in the cave by the time he sees it. So honestly, it was a really short encounter. It was at the beginning of our float. So I mean, we still had like four or five more hours left. So I kind of brushed it off. And I was like, you know, maybe I feel like I just saw big foot, you know, I'm really excited. I wish you would have seen it to confirm. I'm not crazy number one, but number two, you know, so you could have seen it too. So I was just brushing it off. And as I'm we're floating, I mean, we have several hours on the river and I'm just sitting there thinking kind of like a lot. I've heard several other people say you go through almost like a roll of decks of things in your brain. Like what could this be? You know, like it could be a bear. No bears can't walk that effortlessly up on two feet. And I did originally think they were people. And then I'm like, they wouldn't all be all brown like that. And then as I'm going back through the encounter in my brain, I'm realizing the height that they were up. An average human would not look that large, especially like the one that looked to be younger. Um, he would not look that large at that distance. So I was like, OK, you know, maybe that was legitimate. That was that's why I'm sure whatever, you know, we just kind of brush it off. We floated the rest of the way. We had a great time. We stopped off a few times and hiked around, you know, just doing the normal float thing. We got out of our kayaks when we got back and went to camp and grilled some food. I'm not much of a drinker, but we had a very rare occasion of camping without our children. We have four kids from seven to 20. So, you know, we were just going to enjoy a little adult beverage with our meal. Nothing crazy. And I'll say my husband and I ate the same things and he wasn't sick. I say that to say I did get sick that night. But the way it happened was just strange. We were sleeping and I mean, we were out cold because we were worn out, you know, that whole being out on the river for several hours. So we had passed out pretty hard and it was it was in the 70s during the day. But in the evening, it fell down into like the low 40s. I think it was like 41 or 42 that night. And so we were all bundled up in our sub zero. Sub zero sleeping bag. And I was just abruptly woken up and I was just shaking uncontrollably. And about the time I woke up, my husband noticed it too. And he thought I was cold. So he just pulled me closer to try to help me get a little bit more warm. And he was like, ask me if I was OK. And I said, I'm OK. I just feel like my nervous system is overwhelmed if that makes sense. I don't really know what that means. And then he was like, OK, well, just try to go back to sleep. Maybe you'll feel better. And about that time, I just all of a sudden fell violently ill. Like I had to step out of the tent and I mean, I vomited. And I was kind of embarrassed because where we had set up our tent, it was a primitive camping area, but there was other tents kind of close to us. So I was like, oh, they're listening to me throw up, whatever. So I get back in the tent and I'm just laying there. And I had noticed when I was in there before feeling a little sick, that there was this really bright light kind of hovering above the tent. And it was a full moon that night. So I just assumed it was the full moon just beaming in. I wasn't really paying attention. But when I had gotten back in there after I got sick, I realized that where the moon should have been at that time was on the opposite side of the tent to where this light was that I was seeing. And I remembered when I was out there, it was really dark and there was, I remembered thinking I couldn't really see where I was getting sick. And I wanted to make sure I wasn't getting too close to our tent. But I remembered thinking there wasn't anyone's lanterns, there weren't any fires going. So I thought this was odd. And I tried to go back to sleep. I was in and out of consciousness for probably four or five hours that night. Every time I noticed this glowing, it was like a white blue light or glowing through the tent and it was hovering. But I could see it moving slightly. It was like staying in one position and slowly move. And I was just kind of watching it and I'm like, what is this? I've got to look at this when I get outside of the tent. After like the fourth or fifth time I got sick, I decided that I had this bucket. I would just use that instead of getting in and out and doing the zipper. And as I was getting sick, one of the times I happened to glance up because I was looking for a paper towel to wipe my face. And I actually saw the orb through the mesh part of the tent on the top. And it was just hovering above me. And I was just like thinking in my head, I don't want to deal with this right now. This is not an experience. I'm really sick. I was just begging the universe or creator or whatever your belief is. I was just like, please help me. I don't want to be sick anymore. I wanted a view of this light of whatever it was, this orb. But when I did see it through the tent, I felt like I got more sick. And then when I saw it through the mesh, the top of the tent, I did get sick at that moment. And then I was kind of trying to go to sleep. And I did eventually like roll over or something. And I opened my eyes and looked out of the top of the tent and around the sides of the tent from the inside where I was laying. And I could no longer see the light anymore. And I was like, that's strange. And I wasn't about to get out and investigate because I still wasn't feeling well. But I could still see the moonlight, but I couldn't see this other light. And then, like I said, it just seemed to be gone. And then I was finally able to fall asleep and I didn't feel sick anymore. And my husband woke up the next morning and he was like, girl, what was that? Like, what happened? You didn't drink much. Like, you know, what happened? And I was like, I don't know. I was like, I mean, I know we got hot and, you know, maybe a little sun cooked, but I made sure that I mean, I drank coconut water, water throughout the day. We did have a little bit of alcohol, but I mean, it really wasn't that much. It was maybe like one drink, a drink and a half, just enough to kind of celebrate. And he agreed. He's like, I've seen you slam three times more liquor than anything you would have, anything remotely close to what you could have had in a little mixed drink today. And he was like, I don't, I don't know. We ate the same things. I was weird. And I was like, well, I didn't tell him. But I'm like, the only thing that was different with you than me is this weird or, but I didn't want to sound crazy, I guess, because I had already been like, oh, look, I think I just, I just saw a big foot. Even though he does believe, but, you know, you just even in those moments, you don't want to feel like you're fabricating something or maybe your mind was playing tricks on you. But so that was pretty much it for that experience. Yeah, that's interesting. You would have thought both of you would have been sick, but you didn't tell him about the light until the next day. Yeah, I told him in the car on the next day on the way home, because I didn't want to sound weird, but I was like, you know, I saw this orb and it, like as soon as I saw that orb, I started to get, that was when I got really sick. And I was like, I don't know if it's related to what happened earlier. If it's, I don't know what it was, but I'm like, I'm telling you, as soon as this orb went away, I wasn't sick anymore. And it just seemed to hover over the tent for several hours. And like I said, I could see it moving slightly. It wasn't fast. It was really slow. As soon as I noticed the light, the orb was gone. The feeling, the sickness was gone. And that was just really strange for me. What do you think that light was? I'm not sure. I've heard other people on your show talk about different colors of like floating orbs. And like I said, that's kind of what resonated with me was I just thought this was just a really weird weekend or something. But then I heard of that lady that also had seen an orb and she got sick within a week of that. And I just thought that that was kind of a crazy coincidence. Like I said, it just resonated with me and I thought maybe it did have something to do with it. Yeah. Usually you hear of people getting sick when they approach it. But I guess in all fairness, I mean, it was right above your head, above the screen on the tent. I'm glad it was temporary, whether the sickness was related to the light or not. And going back for a moment of the two people, the two individuals that you thought were people. When you think about that moment, beyond being brown from head to toe, was there anything about their appearance that makes you think now there's no way that was people? I kind of went through my head like I had said about, you know, what different animals. We're very well-versed in the outdoors. We've hunted everything from squirrels to elk. So we're very well-versed in nature. But you know, I was going through my mind, we do have bears, but they're not, I mean, they've become more prevalent in the last few years than they were in the last probably 40 or 50. But they're not going to be out in an area that populated, knowing that people are there. But that was also a weird thing for me, was where we got in was a very populated area, a very popular area for people to go in and like I said, hike, all these different things. But I thought it was strange that I saw something at that time of day. But also, when I had put my email to you also, I realized we know that area pretty well. And where I saw these creatures, there's not a trail over there. Even before I realized this could be something weird, I was like, how did they even get up there? I mean, you're not just going to climb straight up that bluff from the river. And there's not an area where you can get down from there. And then I also, when I was kind of replaying everything in my head as like as the day went on, and just trying to think about what I saw, I realized that as this thing looked over its shoulder, the older one, it didn't turn its head, it moved its whole upper body. And its arm when it went back to usher its kid like where it or its young one where it wanted it to go, it's when its arm came closer to its body, it was way longer than the average human their arm would be. Yeah, I think our brains sometimes fool us. And I can tell you from experience of talking with hunters and mainly hunters is where I get it from. Or they'll say they saw some weird bear or they saw this very large guy. And as they're describing it, you're like, that doesn't sound like a bear and that doesn't sound like a guy. And I think our brains do that. I think in our guts, we know that there's something wrong here. And I'm telling you that Buffalo River, especially the lower section of that Buffalo River, I've interviewed so many people that have had encounters right there. The light thing though is weird. I really appreciate sharing that. I know in your email you talked about your grandmother's place, but tell me what's going on there. Yes, so her house is actually pretty close to Little Rock, Arkansas. It's only about 10 minutes out of the city of Little Rock, but it's in an area that's very outskirts and secluded, even though it is in central Arkansas. And she lives on 10 acres. It's very wooded. It's pretty much untouched land. She lives in technically a neighborhood, but by neighborhood, it's like everybody in this area lives on about anywhere from three to like 20 acres. So the houses aren't very close. It's a lot of woods. So one evening, my grandmother called me and she's in her 70s, but she's still pretty with it, way more than a lot of people, even younger than her. But she called me when we still lived in Texas and she said, I don't know what it was. I don't know if it was a UFO. I don't have even any kind of explanation I could give for the sound I just heard, but it sounded like something just ran through the front of my yard, which there, I will say it's a gravel road in front of her yard that just goes to the different houses in this neighborhood. It's a very steep hill and you can't go fast down it because it is steep. But she said it sounded like something went 100 miles an hour or faster down that road. And it sounded like a freight train, like nothing I know that exists could go that fast down that road. She told me that and then she called me maybe six months later and told me she heard it again. And this is the home where I grew up, my grandmother raised me. And so she has several rooms. And so we would stay there when we were living in other states and we've heard some crazy things there too. My husband likes to play too much and always say we're going to go big foot hunting and all this stuff. And he let out a big whoop one evening after we had finished unloading the car. We got there around nine or 10 o'clock in that evening after traveling all day. And he thought it would be funny to let out a whoop. And we, as soon as he did, he got one back and we all looked at each other and we were like nervous laugh. And then after that, we heard the most gut wrenching like what you feel it in your chest scream. And we all looked at each other close to trunk and ran in my grandma's house because we didn't want to extend that any further. It was scary. Yeah, that's really interesting. The first vocal that she heard where she's describing it going like a hundred miles an hour. Did she describe what she was hearing? All she said was she just heard something so loud and the way that it moved and the speed it moved, it just didn't sound like anything that we know of that could make that sound in that part of the where she lives, if that makes sense. Yeah, definitely sounds like they might be on the property, especially with your husband, you know, doing a whoop call or doing a vocalization. And one comes right back at him. It's unnerving. I know you guys were visiting, but you said your grandmother kind of raised you growing up there. Was there anything odd or strange that happened? And what, how do you think your grandmother would respond to the whole topic of Sasquatch? She would probably, I mean, we have like Sasquatch stuff all over our house and all this stuff, you know, just kind of like, I like a lot of people around here. It's almost like bulk whore, but, you know, we kind of embrace it. No one really knows. I don't think she's ever seen anything, but I know she's heard weird things. She grew up on a farm. I do know she doesn't like to be outside at dark very much when in the country. She always, she has a doggy door and she locks her dogs in at night because she says she doesn't want anything to try to come in or which I mean, that's fair. There's a lot of, you know, bobcats and just different wildlife out there, but she doesn't, she's not one to go on evening walks or anything. And we're also hunters. We've had several very, very scary experiences on the deer stand as well, mostly just vocalizations, but like I said, I'm five feet tall, 120 pounds. And so I'm not going to lie. Yes, I get, I'm absolutely scared walking to the deer stand by myself when it's dark in the morning. But one morning I was sitting in my deer stand and I will preface this with, yes, I know what a bobcat sounds like. I know what, you know, different wildlife sounds like. It's, I've been, I was raised in the woods, but I heard the most, the scariest thing I've ever heard in my life in the woods. It didn't hit your chest like the other sound, but it was, it sounded like the only thing I can compare it to is a monster giving birth because it sounded like a woman screaming out in pain. But the way that it traveled, no human could make a sound that loud. And I mean, I don't, I can't say what it was, but I can say it was the scariest sound I'd ever heard. And I didn't want to move. I didn't want to do anything, but I didn't want to be out there by myself. My husband was like two miles away in his deer stand. And so, you know, those experiences, I try not to think about them because I'm always going to be in the woods, but I try, I just try to be appropriately cautious in the woods. And if something's off, you probably need to get out of there. Yeah, let me know if anything happens there at your grandmother's place or where you're hunting in the area. Hopefully nothing comes of it. But I would love to know if anything else happens. I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What do you think it is? So to me, I think it is some sort of like spiritual flesh and blood hybrid. I'm not totally sure, but that's my input. Yeah, you kind of, uh, you kind of threw everything in there. I like it. What's your take on the lights? What do you think the lights are? I don't know. I've heard a lot of people say they've seen the lights during or even after their encounters. So I think they could be related, maybe some sort of travel, form of travel for them. Yeah, it could be. It could be. It's not the first time I've heard that, Taylor. It's all kind of a mystery. It's hard to know what Sasquatch is. It's hard to know what these weird balls of light are, but I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. I enjoyed chatting with you. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me on. Thanks again. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. 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