C8 Grand Sport revealed; Gas Prices; Odd Volvo; Racing!

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Good night East Coast You have me in Iceland right Iceland If you're in yellow knife, it's night pretty much most of the time right now We're doing we're doing a one-gram of Japanese of skate on this one and Boy are there things I have a fucking long list of things to talk about today Starting of course Reminding everybody that we are giving away a 9-11 turbo s. This is an important assignment is anything there are Not a lot of chances we're gonna have because like this is a pretty pretty Portia-centric show like it's outsized Versus right sure out actual market share the Porsche fandom the the kind of questions that we get asked about Subtle nuances between one Porsche to another like that's clearly important to people. That's true Porsche also releases or used to release more Sporting models per year than any other company I Mean they may say there's like a fucking press launch for every variant of the 9-11 right and there's like 32 of them. Yeah Actually sidebar had and I were talking about now that we've we don't have a we like to always have a Big vacation on the schedule even if it's far away So now that we've done our boat trip. We don't really have anything So like what we want we're trying to figure out what to do next the New Zealand road trip is high on the list But we've we've repeatedly talked about Spain and so We were like should we just do Spain and it was like well no because the odds of a manufacturer Inviting me to Spain in the next 12 months are like 97 fucking percent. Yeah, and so we'll just wait till someone invites me somewhere and you know There's one plane ticket and you know what I mean like and by the way Those in the audience like that is a sort of potential hidden perk of the business is if you go Somewhere on a launch you can always ask the manufacturer like hey Can you just book my return trip ticket home like five days later? And then you don't ask them to pay for the hotels. It's it's the same amount of money They're just and they don't give a fuck. They're like sure so you could if you're Flexible or you want to have your spouse come out or like whatever You know people people I've seen people do a lot with all the time Yeah, yeah, some people push it and bring the spouse on the launch Which is a little like come on. I don't like personally care. I won't talk shit about that But like it's like a little come on but anyway, there is a not We're gonna get half of our Spain flights paid for yeah I was at a thing and I and some people they they're there's their partner is their business partner And they make the videos together. So when they're both there I get it sure but I was at a launch and The the wife came along as camera operator. Oh, yeah, did not know how to turn on anything. I like I've seen that. That was funny. Definitely see that So anyway, bringing it back around we're giving away at 20 25 9 11 turbo s It is it is brand new except for the few miles that Zach and I personally put on it It is well, we haven't put the video up yet of what we've done to it But in order to make the contest work they put the video they put the photos of what it looks like now So you can clearly see it has a beautiful set of HRE wheels on it It's a very amazing spec and we just put up the first video. It's up on the YouTube channel We go through I go through every option on the list on the car so you can see everything that's in it and Yeah, you can win it. There's it's very easy To enter the the rules are up on the thing. There's a there's photo gallery of the car and we're gonna be you know talking about it a lot so Get in the game. What's I forget? What's the closing date? Does anyone it closes? It's it was it runs for a year. No, it's not that long. Oh, it's not it's actually not that long What is the closing date? I probably should know this and I will learn it for the next show, but it is not Official rules FAQs FAQs maybe Sheet I think it might be alright well You figure it out you can find it something will find it. I promise There's no weirdness here. I Probably just should know the exact closing date and I don't want to say it wrong because you can get in trouble If you say things wrong about giveaways But it's not it's not it was originally going to be the entire year it then became shortened I think it I think If I had to guess I think it's like five six months, but I forget the exact thing anyway It's up there. Everything else is straightforward and by the next show I will have the exact date of when of when the drawing is It's fucking sick though Also the rodentrack ends on August 20th. Thank you very much Zach August 20th Okay, and you get seventy five thousand dollars to cover the federal taxes that you would be Assessed for because these are considered income when you win something like this, so they cover that anyway Also come drive with me rodentrack Pacific Northwest event this June entries are open It is going to be extremely beautiful. We're talking Cascades Mountains we're talking absolutely Stellar fucking hotels real banger Proper hotels it's at experiences dot rodentrack.com It's gonna be super super fun and I'm gonna hook up a really special car for it and Yeah, so that's up at experiences dot rodentrack.com right now entries are open and yeah come drive with me Um Okay, do you want to talk about the new Corvette Grand Sport that was revealed do you want to talk about something? That the Ferrari CEO said that everyone already knew it was true. Yes, let's do that one Okay, so the for the CEO Ferrari basically said an interview that touchscreen Interfaces and haptic interfaces are fifty percent cheaper than making buttons and that is why sure buddy We knew this but he said that's the first time I think someone has really said publicly the fifty percent number That is that's a really high number. I would expect that from a screen, but actually the haptic capacitive stuff It's amazing that I guess they can just There's no I guess there's no springs. There's no action. They have to like decide. There's no reliability there It's just like the connective circuit. That's pretty wild fifty percent though so much and I mean he when I read the headline I was like Fuck this guy. He's like whining about the cost of of going back to you know To buttons right and these guys are for our for always making like so much money But I read the actual quote in full which is why it's important to read it important for and he was not actually complaining He was simply was explaining, you know in the entire industry wide transition and and actually He said that like for his customers like he was happy to go back to buttons So like he wasn't actually complaining, but yeah fifty percent, but you know if you read David Toig's book which we have inside the machine, you know how much small bits of profit matter Yeah, so imagine if someone comes you and says this will save you fifty percent on your interior button construction Like no wonder so many companies jumped on that that is a huge one once two or three companies do it It's will save fifty percent and everyone's doing it and by the way Everyone's gonna be Tesla anyway For our experience of course. Yeah, of course everyone jumps on the main way. I'm driving a I'm driving a Volvo ex 30 right now, which is not a review We're gonna come we're gonna do a review of this car cuz Zach's gonna drive it for a few days I haven't posted a picture of it. It's just hilarious that I booked this car a few months ago because I thought it looked interesting a Week before the the thing showed up that white one on the screen is exactly what the one looks like it's sitting outside right now and a Week before this thing shows up Volvo announces they're killing the model So I'm reviewing it. I'm reviewing a dead car like whatever. What am I even doing? Do you think you keep it cuz they don't want it back? Yeah, like what am I supposed to do with this now? Like so, I mean, I don't know do Instagram review like we'll talk about it. I guess but like I It's it's real touch grainy. It's so touch first off. I I do not understand Evolvo is building full battery electric vehicles What exactly is the point of Polestar? Like I thought it was gonna be Polestar was the electric and and well wasn't Polestar there quote skunk works like where they basically developed Their new technology and they kind of developed the EV tech and now they can hand it to Volvo I think that was how Polestar was kind of Advertised yeah, all right, I'll buy that but like They're not that innovative Yeah, yeah, so I'm not really sure but but this is it's extremely touch-screeny There is no forward gauge cluster at all It's the interiors like basically like I'm you know like a copy of a Model Y Although I do think it's like it's Volvo. So it's like put together a little nicer than a Model Y But square square steering wheel and certain things in the touchscreen that like you know when you're Trying to figure out how to drive the car. You're just like Stuff's buried. It's all hand-droid like shit. It's just like buried in menus. It's it's it's not terribly confusing Once you know where everything is but they dropped this thing off and it was like 90 degrees outside And I'm like trying to figure out how to like get find like the max AC and I just Cannot and it's so hot in there. There's actually they actually gave a quick reference They gave like a quick reference guide, which is not something most manufacturers give out So I guess they know it's not Instantly intuitive handy. That's like the inios that gave us that for the off-road stuff really really helpful It's just funny that a normal car needs that but yeah, this prevents the journalism journalist problems It does it prevents you and we're But like it's it's very touch-screeny. We'll see what I I have some interesting I think they're interesting thoughts about this car and like What exactly we're doing here? But but I'll wait till you drive it first because I'd like I like you to experience. It's an odd duck All right, just like the one I'm driving. I think we'll talk about that on another Yeah, you were we both drove also the M2 CS But I think we'll save that for next show because I want to drive it a little more But uh dude, you know what oh also If you want to come see us or me in person We are going to be doing a live podcast that you can buy tickets to actually discounted tickets I think right didn't Graham send us a link for discounted tickets didn't we get a link today? We're gonna have a link for discounted tickets to the heritage Invitational at the 1010's club in Charlotte. We're gonna have a live podcast. It's going to be Friday night I think it's April 10th right Friday night April 10th and you will be able to buy tickets to To the festival that are good for all day In up to and including and after our podcast so it's not an expensive ticket. I think with a discount It's like what we charged for just a podcast in Texas and you get a whole bunch other cool stuff They're doing exhibition racing. There's gonna be a car show So we were there last year. It's a great time. It's gonna be really fun Serious metal is brought out for that and then the train was it trans am racing was pretty fun to watch a lot of old Stuff moving around and getting real loud Pretty cool. It was a good time. And so we're doing a live show on April 10th there That's in Charlotte. You can come see us and also I am racing at Road America April 23rd 20 23rd 24 25th 26th with WRL racing again with Tato Ciderman and Tommy Kendall Actually Johnny just told us today that he has a gig and cannot make this race weekend Which I have I have pitched in for Zach Klattman to fill his his seat I appreciate that. Oh, you lobbied well. I've lobbied for Zach and the ball is in the air We'll see we'll see where it lands because the race is eight days right after I go to school for my comp license There's no Literally no better time to do a race rather than like the very next day. It's true. Your concepts will be so fresh I think they say people just out of med school are better doctors than people have been in the game for 20 years That's like that makes absolute sense. Totally. Yeah, yeah Sonoma and do skip barber get his comp license and Maybe come race, but like I think there's no better time than then right after a comp license It just means the pressure to pass the the comp license test is You have to you know, I mean, I think I think if you crash you fail But otherwise yeah, like you have to have a colossal fuck up to go get a NASA comp license NASA or SCCA? I think it's SCCA and JF who did it He just said that they really frown on going off You know if you if you go off if you go off four wheels twice, you're like your class is over Well, yeah protect the vehicles. Yeah for to four off twice. I mean that's a that's a big old whoops Yeah, very much so and I mean yeah like really I mean you can go off once for like you should But you probably shouldn't and as you know I'd say I say that is someone who has crashed a literal skip barber vehicle. It was not great No, I'm very excited. So yeah, I'm gonna go up there on Saturday to do some sim training and then And don't put too much in faith in that Well, yeah, I I want I just haven't been to road America for like last night there was shooting for Hagerty like eight years ago So I was driving a minivan for camera car. So that's I know where it goes. 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It's like that's not a that's not a problem Yeah, where that where that kink at the back of that is like is In like a 600 horsepower car with insufficient arrow When I drove it in a one lap of America in the X5 M You know you get like I think it was I forget if it's like I think it's an out lap and three flyers Dude by the end of the but the brakes were Nothing Nothing and you're coming into this tight right they call it Canada corner and that's crashy corner, right? There's a special bleacher right there. Yeah, look at the size of the gravel trap on the outside of that corner Yeah, like see it from space because then it for people listening There's a large gravel trap a wall and then this is actually a very steep hill covered in trees Yeah, so if you hit it fast enough you go up the hill and launch and land in Canada. Yeah, it's it's But what a place to it's gorgeous. Yeah, it does it does not get better than that in America if you ask me so I've Raced a Fox body there in the very first season of champ car whoa And it was a really shitty Fox body And it was so slow and the race was was red flagged for snow What and what what month was it like March? When they were finally like okay, it's all right to race again Farrah you're in and I'm like what? Had to go out there and like this snow-clear II lap. Yeah, like 30 degree track 10 crazy Yeah, whoa, so that was a good time. Yeah, and then the one lap of America and then I filmed Something else there was a there was a press launch of something else there that was like I don't recall what it was But I remember it being really fast. Didn't you go to like a ZR one launch there zero was wrote Atlanta But I went on some launch for something there that was like where the car was super super fast So I don't really remember what it was, but But I'm very excited to drive it again me too. I'm it's a spicy track I'm excited to see what tail does on this huge right-hand sweeper the key is on we get Tato to drive the car first on Friday and Lay out a telemetry line that becomes a ghost car for us to chase perfect and then and then because like If you're if you're like a halfway decent student and you've got a fucking savant to follow Like no problem do what the kid does like just do that like it's actually not hard to watch someone greats data and then just do that until you get to the point of This person is so skilled that what what is on that is actually seems impossible Yes, and or this person is 21 and doesn't think he can die when you mix those together And there's also like like when I did this spring Mountain School They they had overlay data with the pros Yeah, really really helpful and my line would be like one foot off from theirs or two And you go well, I'm close enough like no no two feet matters one foot matters And they had a great overhead drone showing where everyone was on these two apexes And you're you would think that you're on the right spot, but then you watch that thing you know I'm 14 inches away and that's like ten percent a big percentage all adds up a little bit So yeah like and like the shape of a corner With you Not hit not taking curbs Yeah versus the shape of the corner with him taking like as much curb as is legally possible Right like you're driving in the fucking lawn Yeah, you know those the the arc of that corner Allows for you know a three mile an hour higher exit speed that at the end of the next straight results in a nine miles An hour difference and you know there's three tenths totally We've all watched the V8 supercars There's a head-on shot from like I don't remember the track But there was an S's and the way they were hitting the curb so that the only Tires that were on the track surface still were the outside tires the entire inside 90% of the car was flying Yeah, over what would effectively be the infield? It was crazy. That's the that's That's the line. I really like it road Atlanta. Have you driven road Atlanta? Mmm It's got the very long front straight and then a big right sweeping uphill right-hander that's got sort of a jog on the top and If there isn't a cone placed right there or if that cone has been taken out by somebody else You can effectively jump the chicane Which when I tested the trackhawk there at grid life I did repeatedly and got like serious air over it and if you can't do it in a low car But in a car that's got some ground clearance. It's like, uh-huh. There's a tenth here Let's see. I wonder is there anywhere on this track for hitting curbs with this car? I mean look this this Maybe there a little bit. I don't know, you know, I can't it's been it's been a few years since I've been there So I don't really recall the shape of the curbs. Yeah, specifically where you could really Cut I don't the end of the end of that straight there. I don't really think you can so much You oh, you know what you on the exit of that corner, which is turn six Oh look Google Maps has put turn six there Wow, you can take a pretty wide exit there So, you know, you can you can pretty much be you know deep into the paint on that we got street view Yeah for the track, but WRL like at Kota was pretty strict About what you know at Kota, of course where they're the track limits, right? So because in Kota you can like you can drive like well outside the track They were like they didn't really dock a lot of people But they nailed Tommy Kendall for it on like the second to last lap He admitted he started to push it and get a little greedy But like using the NASCAR lines as far as we knew they didn't hit anybody else with it But they hit Tommy with it with a fiver. They gave him a five second. These are these big rumble strips. Yeah All right, so you don't want to touch those now you can drive on that really yeah, you can drive on that. Okay, I think Pretty sure as long as the control arms aren't built by Nissan, right? What you didn't want yeah what you didn't want to do at Kota with this car was hit the ends of the hot dogs That's where you like break shit like in the S's if you you can you can use curbing But you need to like run up on the angle of the curbing not hit the end of the curbing because apparently you can snap Control arms in these cars if you hit the end of the edge of the hot dog Like meaning the in the outside edge of the curbing where there's like a vertical shelf the curbing is like a long thing That has like rounded edges at the end like instead of going up on the curbing and down if you hit the end Pointed end of it sure I call it the end of the hot dog It's like rounded off, but like if you hit the end of that it's a much more abrupt transition Yeah, I'm going up on the curve and then back down. Yeah, it's totally fine. Okay. Yeah cool Anyway, I hope you Go fast enough in a video game that you are confident that you'll be able to drive and I'm already I'm already more than confident That you'll be able to drive it's appreciate that this car is You know if you were able to safely lap willow springs in that fucking Silly little thing outside good point This is this is effectively the same car with the same gearbox and half the horsepower. Oh, yeah, let's stick your tires Yeah, no same tires the same tires. Yeah, all right. Yeah No slightly worse tires than this but but still don't worry about it. All right Corvette announcement you said well, yeah, they revealed that the new Grand Sport kind of at this at Sebring, right? They also they also said that that manual Tremac Transaxle was not real. No, Tony. Oh, Tony. Robo said that shit But it looks it's this this is a great photo actually of all the Grand Sports I was thinking about it. There's never been a bad Grand Sport Corvette. That's true They've all been good you go back to the the cool one from the from the 60s the race car fucking crazy Yep, love it awesome, right the C4 Grand Sport Actually pretty exceptional. That's a quality on there German nerds. I see one. I see more ZR ones actually yeah if you if you Because of I think because of where you were at that time where I was in Where I was in 98 or 7 or wherever whatever what you know 7 no, it's would have been 96. Yeah where I was These were very popular gotcha this these the Grand Sport took over Long Island Everybody everybody either had one or wanted one and And it was a very good car C6 Grand Sport fantastic fucking awesome. Yeah Awesome car and the C7 Grand Sport is One of the best bargain performance cars out there almost almost no notes on the C7 Grand Sport That's fucking that's an exceptional automobile for a driver of any skill level. Yep That's that's a nearly perfect sports car actually very very good. And so the new one It's the same color Because of course it is The blue which is a nice color actually the blue the blue white I fuck with it, but you know what I don't love I grew up in the school of Ralph Lauren blue and black are Clashy and I don't like blue cars with black wheels. Oh I mean sorry blue and black clash when they're blue and black colors clash when they're together Yeah, Ralph Lauren designers try to avoid blue and black black wheels Mostly a mistake. I'm just I don't like them on pretty much anything They can work on some they work on gray. They work on white. They were on black. They go black. Well, that's fine But they I think on blue cars. They're particularly clashy just like wearing, you know A blue tinted outfit would be with a black belt and black shoes. I would go brown True with you know, I agree. So I don't love I don't love the wheels You can probably hopefully maybe get them in a silver the wheels will look great in silver The C4 Grand Sports look better with silver wheels. I agree But they're saying it's a punched out motor. They're saying it's like a maybe like a six point seven liter Whoa, that's still rumor mill that that's it's gonna be six point seven liter And then there the other rumor mill says that the there'll be a Grand Sport X That will replace the e-ray Which that that tracks that makes sense Because e-ray is to Corvette people you Ray is not cool Yeah, but I feel like that would be the same thing Corvette people won't want a Grand Sport hybrid either no no It's just not called e-ray If you don't call it hybrid People you never know I drove this thing around for for six days You never would know it's a hybrid if you call it something tough instead of e E means like green call X That's true You know you gotta lean on the zero to sixty time and what you know the performance benefits because I have the new motor with With the you know the e-ray effectively hybrid system, which will be pretty pretty cool. I drive great That's the thing it will drive great But will anybody will the majority of people care where they just go by the normal Grand Sport with the punched out engine? It'll be slightly lighter because no battery sure You know the majority of people will do that regardless, but I think more people would get a Grand Sport X Then would buy an e-ray That's probably true just front you mean just from the marketing just yeah Yeah, just the name just the name. Oh and speaking of the name Did you see the fucking story that? Cadillac is dropping their metric Newton meters of torque rounded to the nearest 50 branding because it's stupid They I I Thought they would ride this one directly into the mountain, but they actually they bailed on it well Or did they did they wait until? Like how they canceling a bunch of these models, you know because no no no no it's it's it's all Yeah, all across the brand there. They're not it's not about canceling models. It's just about getting rid of the number There's they they're sort of like tiptoeing around it like they're saying It's part of it. It's part of a global strategy, but our American audience didn't really understand it and also It's we're trying to like declutter the back of the cars and have like fewer badging Okay, but also like the the numbers didn't like mean anything Like a they're in Newton meters, which to Americans don't mean shit. I do this for a living I couldn't fucking tell you what the the conversion is from a Newton meter to a thing. I'm sorry I just I don't have room my brain for it and also it's rounded to the nearest 50 Like it's not even like an act like at least like the Mercedes 63 was like a 6.29 For a while But I know what you're saying they wanted it's just not as they wanted bigger numbers It's effectively They effectively measured from the back well, they just started backwards They go behind the ball. How can I put a 600 on the back of this? Yeah, what combination will yield to be a 600 which is funny because if it was 550 still a good number Mercedes uses it I mean it's still a stout large number in simple America brain 550 is big number like on the escalate if it was actually I think the escalate is like 480 horsepower right it's a fucking Corvette engine effectively, right I Don't know the I'm sorry. I don't know the exact horsepower of the escalate, but it's basically 480 if you just called it the fucking 500 It worked for a Mercedes for like three decades. I wonder do you think Mercedes owns? No, I guess cuz you keep a hundred Lexus Shelby. Yeah, you can one One cannot own 500 one may only use it until Carol Shelby needs it again Well, that that's a good change so what are they gonna do instead forgive me for not reading this I was This is the kind of thing that excites me and no one else. Um, they're calling it like like for on the on the on the On one of the other crossovers like the Lyric or something they're getting rid of like 600 and they're just calling it like a Four or something just something that indicates. It's the four-wheel drive one. Hmm. Okay So kind of like the GMC truck thing like a AT4 is Yes, it's like kind of similar to what the GMC thing is, okay Yeah, the most important thing is they're stopping the dumb thing that they were doing for three years and made no sense Yeah, I was a good change this I can't believe they watch what you know infinity did But the queues and they said no no no we can do it better Wait was it Johan Denition it might did he get did they get to nice? No, he was at Audi and he was in infinity and he was also a Cadillac and He was there with a lot of bad things Did all of those companies Where is he where is Johan right now? Let me see where was he three years ago? It was really? Not where is he now? But on 2014 he quit infinity and went to Cadillac Is he and then and then it's just 2014 dash blank I got all the link did yeah That would be funny if he I mean look he he he is the one that did the key He's the reason that we don't know what infinities are what anymore He's the reason you have absolutely no idea when I tell you that this is a Qx 60 you like you don't know what that car is that's because of his leadership. I believe According to Jalop nag this article is 12 years old But he was behind their product expansion plans and the switch to the controversial Q-based naming structure. Yeah, so you're welcome Yo welcome and You'll get to do it again to Cadillac. Yeah. Wow. Yeah interesting What? Okay, how Expensive because I saw we saw some $7 gas in California. Yeah, we did see some seven Do you see sevens? I saw a lot of sixes a lot of sixes I think I drove past oh down the street premium was like seven ten and then front of mine There's a lot of in front of CMS down the street. No that place Or the Jeff the place that's like scamming Amazon over here. Oh Yeah, no, it was the one down the street the one by CMS Seven I think was 692 and whatever we bought yesterday was 599 by Yeah, the track was I mean dude 599 by the that Rosamond does out there Yeah, and it's over six in Arizona at least parts of it. Yeah in front of mine. How a lot How high and for how long do you think gas will have to get for like actual? American car buying habits to change away from like big Fucking thirsty cars That's a very good question Couple do you think I think a couple like to I think like two years? I think the guy in the price would have to stay at like six seven dollars Possibly nationwide for like a couple of years. Well, it's never gonna be six bucks nationwide. It's always like that's probably true You have to look at like the triple a now they track the national average. What's the national average like four probably four That's still like Was it national national average 395 National average So let's see the wreath on the entire West Coast from Arizona to Washington is between four dollars and 579 and I mean obviously California is a little special because it has its own type type of gas Yeah, yeah, which is more expensive special we special Have a special gas it's also special in the way that mean people use special It's both special in the way. It's more expensive But they have to make it at certain refineries so we can't we can't bring our gas over from like Nevada or Texas like a shitty octane rating. It's shitty octane rating, but you know, it's a little bit cleaner I don't know the intricacies, but the national average is a good place to look and Let's see this day average. It's funny our country Okay, here broken up this way almost looks like the flag of France Here's what you want to look at then the month a month ago the average across the country was 293 now It's 395 so it's up a dollar in a month. That's a lot now. What's well 30 33% increase it's big now I was one of those people during the last election campaign when people would be like The gas prices are high go the president doesn't set the gas prices, which is true but But if the if this person starts a fight and then closes a straight right that does affect the gas prices So when people would when when when we're operating in a vacuum and there's no conflicts happening The gas price is not set by the president United States, right? No, but the president can certainly Fuck enough shit up sure, you know as a side effect of all that shit being fucked up Right that yeah, yeah, yeah, right so back to your question. I think you make a good point I think if gas prices were elevated for two years I think that's a good number because that's like the length of a normal lease job Yeah, truly because they go I'm gonna trade this in how long and I get something more efficient Yeah, how long until I can get further upside down on this loan payment? I have now rolled four loans over I am at a hundred to roll my TRX Yes hybrid please at 36% Interest I was sitting next to TRX in traffic like two weeks ago and went this person's getting eight miles per gallon right now Yeah, and it's so expensive to operate that truck in California I hope you're rich because you're about to not be yeah, you probably are if you're fucking with the TRX in LA for sure You're taking up space, baby But it's a good question, you know how long is the the memory like Like we think some of the new Land Rovers they get like 26 miles highway which is not Phenomenal and that's not that did that different from what they were getting 15 20 years ago Like I think it's better than what Land Rover's Land Rover specifically we're getting 20 years ago I think like four hours like they haven't moved that much, but people they just kind of oscillate their purchase I look up look up the fuel economy of a 1996 Land Rover discovery, okay, because that's if we're talking about the closest thing to the defender It's gonna be the discovery not the Range Rover right No, I was thinking Land Rover look up the You are going to be shocked with the factory Statement yeah, this is this is not gonna be great. Well, see 96's got 16 high Way, uh-huh 2006's got 17 highway An improvement of 10% and so and so from and so now we're getting 26. That's true. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good I learned good, you know, thanks Tata like and you know nice nice job. Yeah. Yeah, that is much better Ford Ford and Tata Combined yeah, so they so that is an improvement. That is an improvement. Yeah, I retract like Well, like what would it take for someone? to like Not get An F-150 inside and Inst in like a maverick and yeah, you had a maverick instead I'm genuinely wondering I'm not saying no one should have an F-150 So you're saying Pierce the bait their purchase we base purely on price of gas like not like they're their job change They don't need to tow things or whatever they like driving too big a trucker gas. Yeah Make somebody who is Would typically buy a very big very powerful vehicle by a smaller less powerful one like I wonder how Like in Europe, that's why people don't for the most part buy bigger vehicles Like they're either too big for whatever tiny little village you live in or the gas is so fucking expensive that it's insane to buy Something that has a huge engine don't they also get taxed on there is tax on displacement also. Yes Let's see general. It's like it's much more. It's just much more expensive. It's not because they don't like ever want it It's just because like it's really expensive. So a 3.5 liter power boost Then that's the hybrid one like F-150 gets about 25 miles per gallon highway I Think Mavericks can get in the 30s, right? Yeah, let's see. I'm pretty sure they can I Think I think I think some people would Some of Mavericks get 42. Oh, that's probably the high right. Yeah, I Think some people would of course. I mean how many who when I don't know But I think if anyone's feeling the squeeze on their wallet and they have to get a new car and they go Well shit this truck this little Maverick truck does a lot of what I needed my truck to do And it gets 10 miles per gallon better which at these prices will save you, you know Ten miles we got better. Oh, look if I'll tell you what if get if it gets 10 miles a gallon better that is 30% better Okay, so if gas goes up 30% a 30% improvement in efficiency would offset it sure so it costs you the same today To drive a Maverick as it costs you a month ago to drive an F-150. Yeah, and gas That's like that's a way to look at it. There's some fucking Roger Farrah man I was not Roger Farrah math Roger Farrah math He would just calculate this entire thing and tell you how to solve that problem. Yeah I can't do that shit. I need a calculator for it I don't know. We'll see some people some people asked in the comments in the patreon comments What it will take for people to move to hybrids and I think gas prices definitely has a An effect if gas prices went up 50% 75% a hundred percent for the length of their of their lease like also Also Americans are not good long-term thinkers obviously and so it might be as simple and as Stupid as how much is gas? when my lease runs out or my you know what I mean like How much is gas this week when I'm thinking about buying a car versus like If it if it goes up if gas goes up for six months and then and then for whatever reason shady Somehow this war is over. You know whatever like some some miracle causes it to go back to where it just was right in like month seven You'd be like f-150 Raptor are please you know what I mean like I think I don't think like because that kind of has happened Yeah, like in the past with with us. I think a lot of people it is I think it's kind of a national problem is the lack of The lack of financial education in grade school in high school Leads to so many problems people over finance everything. Yeah, and the short-term thinking like you said they go well gas is coming down And I've really wanted this truck or this exciting sports car. Whatever. I'm really excited about it and I just I really want to have that thing and You'll find ways to justify it and then you buy it and then two years later if something happens and gas goes up a lot You're like, oh shit. I can't really drive this thing. It's gotten really expensive. It's my my My color blindness. Oh makes me sort of unable to see how big the spike is at the far right of this chart Is this is the spike? It's it's not as high as it was like now. It's right here that that the next top spike to the left the big high spike Yeah, I remember that that was when it was like for a minute It was like eight bucks in LA for a second. Yeah, so this is we're looking at macro trends net and in 2022 June 2022 The national average is 484. Yeah, and this right this spike that we're looking at now from this month It says 357 which is slightly behind what AAA shows but this chart is a little less detailed But I remember the 2022 one because someone went all around all over the city putting fucking Joe Biden did that stickers on all the gas pumps and now you see the the Trump idea that meme is in a lot of Stuff on social media today. We we reap what we sow except if you're Donald Trump, then you actually don't So those are the things really I mean I think those are those are the things that that I wanted to talk about today There's something that you wanted to know I spent the day editing the video so I didn't really read much car news Which video? Yeah, except for the audio situation, but The ghosts there are sometimes in the machines right so Zach Zach has me literally on video Turning the audio recorder on hitting record Saying it doing the slate driving talking and It should have been file number four chairman file for except there was another file called for which we recorded after this in car which was recorded afterwards and The file does not exist. Yeah, and so There will be a section in the Maserati MC 20 GT 2 stradale video where I hope my audio isn't noticeably different But it might be slightly different. So the the adobe software I'm gonna be I'm handling it gently like it what it can fish out is amazing But the more processing I use the stranger it makes you sound yeah, and it's fighting with a v6 engine It's on a race track on a racetrack Yeah, go pro audio it does a pretty impressive job But I'm trying to find that balance between where you sound like a totally different person and where we can't hear you at all But either way this file It's not that it's it was like it's not that it was like not transferred or something like I didn't get them all It's like it seems like even though it was there it was not it was what it was recorded into thin air Yeah, I captured the footage so this would be my fault But I looked at the file numbers and like one two three four, but four was created after the fourth shoot How is that possible and you have me on video? Have you on video looking at look at when you're done you're done driving in car Yeah, and you pick up the recorder and look at it and this is what I expected your eyes to go fuck Yeah, and you go boop, and you're like on speed and you set it down So that's why I wrote you this in a tech like I have no idea what happened. Yeah, I mean look this is what we discovered So I mean look if it sounds a little funky. I'm sorry in this life We do our best and sometimes it doesn't always work Yeah, and then we fucking move on that's that's that's we used to get really sad and stressed Yeah, oh I used to care very much about these things and now so bad But it's like well we made 2300 videos and Sometimes the recorder doesn't record. Yeah, and like you know what happens like four people notice because they're listening on their like Fuckers so no system. They have a private movie theater in their house just for watching YouTube videos. Yeah. Yeah Let's go to the people. 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I'm with you for fun weekend driving would you suggest a manual swapped Ferrari F430 or Pay up and get a scooter Ria I've driven a special and a pista and as much as I love the rawness It wasn't great for long drives or when you're not in the aggressive mood. I'm with you Manual 430 swapped maybe making a spider and you are very much in the weekend driving business my friend Yeah, absolutely, right? That's what I never drove a swapped one, but I've that's not true. I drove that that's good That was built by those shady people, but I drove a factory 430 spider and it was absolutely a delight Everything you could in a stick everything you could want and I assume if the if the Swaperoo is Factory-level feel then you'll have a really really nice time. They're good. They're fucking good those cars They're stout so you could beat the shit out of them. That's a sturdy Ferrari. They are very very sturdy I really like that about them base trim also coming in new this week wants to talk about B pillars as A design element. I think we've moved beyond all B pillars being black Would a body colored B pillar be better? I don't like when the exterior of a door is made of one material, but then plastic is used for the B pillar I think they're trying to make that space in between Those two windows Smaller to the point of disappearing. I think that's the point of making it Black right I'm trying to post some profile pictures, but yeah, I think it's It's like making it neutral Yeah, it's where black shoes with a suit because you can wear them with almost any colored suit or something It's just it's kind of like let let the lines of the car speak and you don't need these things to hop out Yeah, and I think I have a feeling that In manufacturing of these cars if you think about like a unibody that's being assembled having that B pillar B body color would be like Fuck all expensive. I think it was a great point I make it out of metal yeah same metal because if you painted it if it wasn't metal This is it wasn't the same materials the door it would fade at different rates probably so it would look different after a year or five years And I think good point Matt is that painting it it alone painting smaller things Yeah, more difficult painting the edges like the way the thickness of the paint adheres to a corner versus a flat surface So the door they can just shoot that it's probably more a little bit more consistent than painting this tiny strip. Yeah, I Agree that in some cases it would look better painted, but I also think I understand why they don't do it. I think I I'm also an idiot. So who knows drew Moog says Okay the other Do you have okay? Do you have a reliable way of informing someone their high beams are on without yelling at them? No, and I wish I had one and their example like I've been on at you know Whatever intersections where I think the other car is facing up a hill slightly so their beams are shining in my eyeballs and And and sometimes you'll flash your high beams and they have their lows on it's just they have all four lows on like an accurate or a BMW it is what it is But no sort of a bullhorn. There's no way. Yeah, I agree. I don't I don't think there's a great way I think I think um There's been some funny attempts at like vehicle-to-vehicle Communication including the this one company that's basically made the whole front of their car like a TV You've seen that thing is it was it the Faraday? The van yeah, yeah, so but they didn't say in the press release that's for telling people to go fuck themselves And then they're like you know, they would world finds a way 575 Super Dave America says after After misreading one of your posts about Trump He thinks you're glazing him and appoints you ambassador to Cuba you're in charge. That's that's actually Possible you have the power to bring five Vehicle models from around the world to take over from the aging 50 cars These models and no others will be available in Cuba for 10 years What cars this is so easy. This is so easy The the the 1990s Toyota Corolla Absolutely fucking unkelebel The runner the forerunner from the same era the forerunner, uh-huh, right? Yeah the The Honda Civic Sure, 1999 late 1990s early 2000s Honda Civic all single camps no dual overhead cams all the all the single cam engines V8 powered tundra would be a great one, but I'm throwing that as a sixth option because it's another boring Toyota option I would say the like V like The the taco like the the Tacoma sure right I want to I think I actually think an EV Was like a simple about their power grid. No, but they don't have any All you need and you don't need to read they don't have they don't have one No, they have their whole country apparently runs on generators or something approximating generators and they don't have any Yeah, no you need a unit car that can effectively run on urine. That's like really where we need to be I saw a video I think it was from Cuba this guy converted his car to run on coal But I think it was like a steam a coal fired steam situation very very clever But he did say he would prefer gasoline Yeah, he's like it's easier But he's like hey, buddy made it happen. Yeah, oh that's crazy Jeep Wrangler Dragon Edition Allegedly have either of you tried careers that disappointed you had required a pivot. Zack was a waiter yo, I was good at it though Yeah, but it had a ceiling I sold shoes and I'm feeling yeah, yeah I mean, I mean I've been doing this for 20 something 20 years now, so I mean not I don't my career changes were in youth I don't have a good one. I produced I worked as a PA on a reality TV show for two weeks And I immediately knew I never wanted to do that again. Sure. That would be the closest thing sure Yeah, I mean I I wanted to be a photographer that didn't work out It wasn't a disappointment. He was that I couldn't make any money. I want to be a graph I then was gonna be a graphic designer. I was bored to tears I then was gonna run a car wash No and And now we parked our so it's okay Ball caddy if you could eliminate two bad driver habits one for safety and one annoying What would they be? I wrote down? ball caddy This one does not this is a driver habit the car is not necessarily in motion, but Things that really grind my gears and I wrote this down for today's show I didn't we didn't do it as a topic, but it's a really good answer your question People who drive their cool cars in public and if you take a picture of the car they ask you to blur the license plate out eat a Dick you get to choose bringing your toy out in public and taking everything that goes with that or Leave that motherfucker at home. Did someone send you a picture of a green Ferrari that had this? Yep And I told the person who sent me the photo cool spot Why did you blur the license plate? They said they asked yeah, I said that person's a huge loser and I said Montana and they said yes and the car was not in Montana Yeah No, you don't get to you don't get that deference dude You don't get to be shady and then I It's my responsibility to fucking cover you cover for you in public. I brought the car to a car show That's the thing like the car is out. It's out of thing to be seen fuck People just post the photo and it really doesn't matter and like if the AG wants to find you They're gonna look they're gonna find your car through registration through a dealership They're not gonna find you on Instagram on Joe's Instagram page. So I would add if you're at the front of a line in traffic for a light You cannot look at your phone You're not allowed to look at your phone if you were the first person in line to stop light because the number of people That mess that up. Yeah, they can look for the big cue of the car moving But you need to focus on that light, right? It's your job up front. You have one job, right? Yeah, right Go in top down with the top down I'm not a topless with the top down going to a topless. Oh titties. It's a titties. Right What do you think the values of the F 90 m5 CS and F 87 m2 CS are going to do in the near future? Is the F 90 the vote the last one? Yeah Well, that one will be valuable because people won't want the hybrid. Yeah, so a car drove awesome It did drive awesome. I just thought the seats were stupid. The seats are stupid. Yeah, the rest of it's great I Think in the short term they will hold. I think the long term they may not Like all computer controlled probably true the the the m2, you know, it's kind of a legend and the legends tend to do pretty well Yeah, I think it might just hold like the one m did mm-hmm, so she now that the new m2 CS is out Yeah Front-wheel-drive NSX in a recent cleatest video. He found out that Richard Childress racing builds some singer engines Any other odd crossovers from race teams the streetcar stuff that you know of? I mean Tom Walk and Shaw racing did a lot of stuff Jag X J2 20 things like that Obviously Cosworth has done a ton of work for people like Aston Martin McLaren McLaren and Gordon Murray yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, GMA for sure I mean, I'll also I mean singer has had a lot of different Very very well regarded people build their engines from portion Motorsport North America to ed pink racing engines to Fucking Williams. I mean there's there's been a ton of stuff from them I'm curious if they have multiple people building engines at the same time just because they have so many cars that they need Supply they need them engines for the classics they were okay when they had the tiny shop Yeah, they were doing the all classics There was like a couple different ways you could get engines and then they were trying out some different people I think As they were growing and I think they've got good They're not their vendors have always been good. Yeah, there've been a few different okay I Wonder if you know like NASCAR teams do R&D for people like Chevy or Ford, you know Mustang stuff and then once They can because they can just move more nimbly and just R&D it and then I think it's approved It gets put into like the assembly line. He's w a Which recently was in the news because they're doing this 190 evo sort of repop thing That's like a completely new like car like you've seen that thing look up the HWA Evo I guess it it it looks like a Mercedes 190 evo 2, but it's like it's like Fully fully everything. It's everything. It's one of those. Yeah, but then this company Which you may have if you weren't like deeply nerdy thought thought maybe the company sort of came out of nowhere They actually build the engines that are in the wire are race cars. Whoa. Yeah, they don't use because those Mercedes V12's Are like cool, but they red line it like 60 like that's not that like Yeah, like for those engines like you can't actually do that with the Mercedes motors. Yeah Yeah, so that's each so they're doing these which is pretty cool There was that Pratt and Miller C6 RS thing that was That was a red one the red one that one just dug that that car just sold at auction. I don't really got but it was at auction Yeah Matt's Miller Industries century and 100 tow rig the The monoxide Podcasts likes to ask all their guests can give us a show car a daily and a track car Unlimited budget What's yours and Zach? How do we define show car? Does it work? Can be driven? It has to be driven I think it has to it has to physically work as a car, but it could be a show car. I Could do this. I could do this a show car I mean unlimited budget it would have to be something French from the 1930s to be a delage or a deli hey or a Bugatti Atlantic You know or something looks like a bunch of teardrops with an engine, you know some crazy ass French shit That like is like pebble beach level show show car, but that you could drive track car The that Gordon the new Gordon Murray thing that's whatever seconds fast 50 GT 3 you think yeah, that's kind of perfect and ultimate daily Nothing beats a tycon I'd say that tycon No, I would say a Panamera turbo se hybrid with active ride Okay, I would go I'd go low rider I think like six one Paula good choice and then daily I'm gonna go with Ranger Raptor And track car God that's really hard I'll go who no corn even though it I don't know if you can really drive But sure yeah, can you set up a road course? They'd be like what do you what do you want about that's true? My track car. I mean as cool as that Gordon Murray thing is my track car might have to be a drift car I don't think I I think your choice is near perfect I just didn't want to have the same choice, but it's like it's a Gordon Murray car You kind of want to have a drift car. Yeah, but if you want to be gripped up also Just learn to slide that thing Pts normal. Do you have a favorite autocross and or track tire? That's hard because I I don't have the same car that I drive on like eight different tires like a regular person every car Has like its own tires like their own even their own compounds like a pilot sport cup to Porsche and a pilot sport cup to BMW and a pilot sport cup to like, you know, whatever fucking Corvette are Actually kind of different So I don't really have a good choice for that I mean I went I went on the Hoosier launch for the track attack pro which was a very good track and autocross tire But I don't want to be biased and say like that's the best one So I would say pts normal should go read like grassroots motorsports. Yeah, those folks They know tires inside and out and they will have all the comparisons for tires in that class that you need. Yeah I would say if I know an underrated tire that I liked I that I've net I've not really taken on the track But my spider came with those Dunlops the SP Sportmax 2 and I thought they had Equal grip over a longer period of time and Better long-term wear than Michelin Cup twos. Hmm. I'm not a huge cup two guy I love the pilot sport 4s and s5, but I've never like loved cup twos Including on this BMW those those tires did not impress me at all that they might have been Pre-tracked before we got the car Gigety Airlines the says the cars and bids crew were struggling to define a sports car What's your definition? I mean, I think it's a car whose main objective is to be enjoyable to drive and have you know perform Yeah, I was track roads, etc. Yeah, I'd say it's any car that puts driving dynamics above things like practicality and space You know what I mean? It's really it could be any car could be a sedan I would say probably can't be an SUV by nature But like it could be a coupe convertible sedan and you could be in the front in the back in the middle That doesn't really matter matter, but like the car Should have should be compromised in other ways in order to be good at driving That might mean a stiff suspension that might mean it's small that might mean it's doesn't have certain features Right. Yeah, I think so. That's what I think. Yeah I Tickle your pickle for a triple nickel wants to get a radar detector Do you use radar detectors? What do you think? How do you set them up and what is the move? so I'm not there's a there's a What's the radar guy we had? Vortex radar that that was at him The YouTube channel where the guy tests radar detectors. Oh, I believe it was vortex radar Who is like a guy who's just test radar detectors? And so he's very objective about this kind of stuff. I Have had a pretty foolproof methodology for the last 10 plus years which is I have a Valentine I now have the two I used to have the one I now have the two and I combine that with ways and Honestly them two together. That's pretty foolproof You're you're you're pretty rarely gonna get caught out if you're running both of those together I think the only thing to add to those two things is attention You just you have to look at ways Look for those alerts and you have to have long vision down the road Yeah, and you have to know how to listen to the language that a radar detector Because like radar detectors are like chirps and boops and beeps and shit I don't like radar detectors that have like a lot of app integration But I don't like I liked I like a radar detector to operate standalone without the need for a phone. Yeah Oh, God, yes, absolutely, and I use the The logic modes I think it's called advanced it might be called advanced logic mode in the Valentine 2 It's the small L not the big L and it effectively filters out almost anything Other than very strong k a bit excuse me very strong k-band and Ka it filters out all x and Weak k signal what you want because x was basically 7-eleven doors that open automatically Which would go off a lot in the early days of radar and then a lot of cars nowadays with the park with the proximity sensors That was setting off a lot of these things. That's like k-band light Yeah, and so the newest Valentine 2's ignore those and I know I've heard the passport is good There's people like that. There's people that like other brands escort has arrows now Yeah Valentine had arrows proprietary for a while and now some other one. I think they're whatever their patent ran out Or the time that they were allowed to have that but um But yeah the combination of a quality radar detector Which will be a couple hundred bucks. I mean you're probably looking at 500. Yep Combination of that in ways is pretty foolproof and then if that doesn't help you off the record baby off the record comm slash TST Well I Do I want to read that one I don't know if that one's I agree accident or reverse entry says that we we appear to be pretty grounded while Being somewhat successful and having financial means I Don't know man. I don't think we have as much money as you think we have It's not that I have a lot of money, it's that my spending habits are incredibly reckless I Just saw that meme on a watch forum. It's like you think I'm successful actually Incredibly reckless. Yeah, it's a good account has less than $500 in it. I mean but yes a The example that she used of the $1400 rental car being expensive like that was expensive for that rental car for four days We're right race 20 it was six days with a Chevy Blazer Trit trail blazer no blazer blazer. Yeah, and it was 14 hunch Ollie a Danish var says can you enjoy going to the track without being a competitive person 100% Going to the track Can be about your lap times if you want it to be mm-hmm going to the track can also be about Finding the limit of your car sliding around a little bit maybe Just just going faster than you would be legally allowed to go on the street sure driving in a manner You can't on the street. Yeah hanging out hanging out with your buds Yes, of course Learning something you could be about learning. I mean you you can go and there's instructors who will help you get better at driving And those skills will back translate to the street And I think you can be competitive with yourself in terms of trying to learn and improve those lap times But you don't have to be competitive with other people and go Oh, you said a 201 I'm at 207. Do I need to buy parts or come out here more like okay? Good for you I'm just trying to work on me. Yeah, that's also true like a track day isn't an actual race Like you're you're effectively racing yourself an attract day and if you're in one of the advanced groups where it's open passing And you're like dicing it up with somebody like okay cool do that, but like you're not racing them you know so you like You can you can and also I Suspect that once you are on the racetrack and have a lap time and have a time to beat people tend to get competitive shorts presented yeah, I don't know if I said it on the podcast But I certainly said it to the team that I race with which is that I don't give a fuck if we win this race Or if we finish dead last and less we might be on podium Nothing else matters. Yeah, you know I am out here racing for funsies away. You mean we could win never mind. Yeah You know Blue shoes and blue clues I've been driving my ND Miata with an exhaust Wearing air pod pros with the in the adaptive sound noise cancelling mode They seem to filter out so many unpleasant frequencies of NVH and wind while making the exhaust sound even better Have you ever had the same experience? Yes? 100% yes when I drove my Ferrari 328 to Pebble Beach I did it with noise cancelling earbuds the whole way and it made the engine sound beautiful really it eliminated Every squeak and rattle in the car and I listened to the and it complimented the level of the music Perfectly with the volume of the Ferrari engine and it actually was one of the best drives. I ever had in that car Wow Yeah, I drive with noise cancelling. I actually fuck with Raycons now The air pods don't stay in my ears the Raycons actually stay in place. So we are not sponsored by them right now We're not all they didn't have a wire about a month ago Okay, so you may hear an ad but either way that's not why I have these didn't send them I've had them for a while. They fit in my fucking ears So anyway, I I wear them in the max a lot like obviously because I just don't have a radio anyway And this I have the same exact experience in the yeah, it filters out all the high frequency shit Yeah, totally totally happen and if you're driving an old car could be a Miata could be a muscle car could be whatever Try it because it will make your car sound like it's got a bunch of dynamite in it. Yeah Elitist Erdogan shopper says you can steal one car from three friends. What are you taking and from whom great question? Yeah, I Would steal your spider, okay? That makes me happy I would steal Vinnie's Cadillac assuming it's in good working order It was last I saw it And I would steal Larry Chen's I might actually steal you know I'm still three is card. I would steal three of Larry Chen's car. I would steal his r34 because it's perfect. Okay. Yeah, okay I would I would take Matt Katz is f40 I would then take The I didn't we forgot sorry about I would then take the gold singer DLS that I drove on Sunday. Mmm. That was mind-bendingly good and I Would then take Oh fucking who's got something like just titties I mean Larry's Larry's are 34 is a great one Got the 32 which is California legal. No, it's not the 34 is right there. That's right there I would then have to take Leno's McLaren F1. Oh sure right? He's he's friend enough I could I could call him a friend Did you see his His commercial for the Yamaha Corvette giveaway. It's on like it's everywhere. I don't know they must be running this shit now I'll probably hear it honestly. I'll have to ask him if I see him I might have to even text him it sounds like it looks it it sounds like it was made by AI Like there's like there's like a shot of him walking up to a Corvette and getting in and like giving a thumbs up But the voiceover sounds like if you had AI do Lena and there's no shot of him speaking. Oh, yeah, I wonder if they did. Oh Guys I can't make it just fucking just chat GP T. It's fine. I don't know. I have to text him and ask Listen and sometimes watch What mileage and condition of car makes for the best manual swap the nicest one you can find or something with some while You're in there's good question very easy answer one with a blown e-gear pump or f1 pump or a blown clutch Like it needs to drive train work. Yeah mission work anyway. That's the best one Yeah, yeah, particularly cuz the clutch you're replacing anyway and the e-gear pump you're throwing in the garbage So if someone's dumping their Gallardo or r8 or Ferrari because the f1 the hydraulic pump that controls that is out you that's your gold mine right there We'd city night court says is there a new car on sale today? Which if seen in the wild is almost certainly owned by a car nerd? I would say the GR Corolla. I've never met someone with a GR Corolla that didn't really like driving Yeah, that's a good point if you have an Ionic 5n You are a pretty big nerd I've seen six people on the mountain like mobbing Ionic 5n's they are Fucking it so fast on the mountain. They will they will walk away from a BMW m3 No problem. It's Torg is ridiculous. They're so fucking fast dude Like a BRZ TS I don't think so so that's like if you have some special special edition of a Fucking really low powered car. I saw the what was the green one? They did that was sorry within h was named after that road I saw one of those in the wild the other day. I reviewed one like six years ago I went oh wow someone spent the extra six grand for the green if you have a Nismo Z That's pretty you're pretty you're pretty car nerdy if you have a Nismo Z right I think so but then the Nismo is gonna come out That's also that's what I just said. Oh, I thought you meant. Oh, I got mix I was just right on a NIS Nismo. Yeah, Nismo. Sorry. I thought that I did I I Have Nissan Z performance stuck in my head from last week, right? Jacking off the record if you could gift each other a $25,000 car, what would you pick for each other 25 used? I assume do you want do you want a daily or do you want a drift car? Drift car. I would get I would get you a pretty decent Nissan Z drift car from somebody What do you like a 240 with an LS that someone's just tired of and has no like has those bumpers that Are just a bar just one sure one way you have these with the center jack point. Yeah, yeah, do you want a drift car? You want a daily? Legends no look a brand new low on a new Factory boost of legends car wagon. All right. Yeah, yeah, the wagons the good one the long roof. Yeah Randy says Besides the obvious fascism thing. What do you think of the Indy car America? 250 glad they asked because the track map proposed map was laid out I Will I will absolutely I will admit that my Political bias here sees this event in a certain way totally does if it was Not even necessarily like a Republican president like just a fucking normal human You know what I mean where everything wasn't like an assault on Freedoms if it was like if it was like The our country's 250th anniversary and it was like even fucking George W. Bush was the president And they said yeah, we're gonna have a we're gonna have a race in DC. I'd be like all right like cool, right? When would you Zach? Yeah when they proposed this a few weeks ago? I said on the show I was like of the like this is a pretty cool idea Yeah, as far as the mandates go this is pretty rad and we looked at the map And I said I think they have a lot of good opportunity here to make a good track And that's why I want to pull up the map because I don't think they did as much as they could I I have to say that map and I Don't know that it doesn't to me look like an expert level racetrack it looks Pretty fucking Mickey Mouse the shape of it well. Yeah, so I'm gonna put on the screen for everybody It doesn't we cover a little bit look Great, it's just so for people who are listening It's a lot of one to there's three ninety degree corners a sort of I guess I'd be like 120 It's straight away 120. There's an open one. I mean what does this look like this looks like a map of What state is this this looks if you rotate it yeah, oh it looks like Alabama Looks like Alabama has fallen over yeah That's exactly what it looks like but with less curves So I was just I looked at this and I got kind of disappointed because when we looked at the National Gallery like area map Before when this was all proposed. Yeah, I went okay. Like you got some like you could why not incorporate these bridge roundabouts here Yeah, we had we had things with curves in there's a lot of natural curves. Yeah, there's a lot of opportunity like this lower Senate Park This is a nice curve to it. There's just a lot of cool stuff and they ended up with this I Mean this makes the Vegas F1 map look amazing look amazing Yeah, that has a little and that's a pretty like you know straight turn straight turn kind of place No, it was but the Vegas track You know as one of a very few people who drove it it had a flow It did have like this this to me says straight away corner straight away corner straight away corner Drag races right like it's kind of like Long Beach do like Long Beach like I'm sorry I love that we have a race, but I drove the Long Beach track and it sucks It's not a fun track because of the same reason. Yeah, so And yeah, do I think fucking Donald Trump's a fucking dick bag like yeah, I do and if this was a Normal president even a normal Republican one I'd go okay All right, cool, but I I'm still in the process of wondering just how the fascism will be attached to this particular event Which flag will they find a way the swinging tire says favorite BMW CS car Oh, so easy the original of the original you know the 3.3. Csl Babbo bill Granny shifting not double clutching like you should is the fear of Exorbitant and frequent maintenance for McLaren's justified or overblown if it's if if overblown would you still purchase a 720 s? Or would you stick to more mainstream brands like Porsche with palatable maintenance? I? Think McLaren's work pretty well when they're driven a lot I would get a McLaren and drive it use it as my car I would not want a McLaren that I drove once a month We have a couple customers that drive their McLaren 570s mind you all the fucking time One guy in particular has a bunch of miles on that orange one down there Cars ace always works. Wow. Nope. Not like changes the oil Wow puts tires on it The car always works we had another one that sat and sat and sat always fucking broken That's it's I think even more is there's a lot of cars like that now Clarence in particular They need to be driven like a ton that 13,000 mile car. I took the pebble that year Fucking ace. That's the car So I would buy one and I would drive the shit out of it I wouldn't want a McLaren unless I could use it as my car like my everyday car I would not want to you have to get if you had two cars you have your you ever tycon and a McLaren You couldn't have six mm-hmm. Yeah, or you ball out use it as a daily or that I keep my spider in the garage for weekends And daily the McLaren I Think you'd get tired of that after a couple of months I think because the car is twin turbo like you got to warm it up, but you know your your hands are short daily I know they're very comfortable many times They're so easy if you get the comfort seats and you get a coupe so the roof cutouts so you can plop down in there It's got a nice trunk. I've daily these cars for weeks at a time. It's no big deal. They're easy. They're so easy That's why it's so lame when people don't daily them. So art someone around the corner in this one. Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, he's chill. He's he's fucking great But man his was his is the blue color and it's the same color as the the like launch color for the C8 Corvette and Man when the fucking Corvette came out and people and people asked him if he his was the Corvette Oh, he felt like His car is so sick. Yeah, it looks nice. He's on his second one The money or the hammer you can't have both what's an example of a reliable car from a historically unreliable company We talked about I think the alpha Julia 2.0 is known for being pretty good and alpha's not so great reputation. Yeah The F4 I mean the F4 30. Yeah, I think both the 430 and the 360 Ferrari are very The I actually like the 458 is really reliable. I think that's more reliable. Yeah, also Huracans are fucking great. Huracans are super super reliable Yeah, I mean I actually I think the I don't know if there's a better example of Reliable car from an unaccar a company known for unreliable cars than the Huracan That's a fucking that anybody could daily drive a Huracan and if you don't know if you drive it like once they still work like fine They're so easy Bad PPI Matt you recently bought a relic guitar the Mike McCready signature Which has been a popular offering for a couple of decades now among guitarists though not without controversy Do you think the same concept of making a new thing look like an old and well-used thing will be popular among car enthusiasts? Now that vintage cars with patina are commanding what seems to be the same or more than a restored example fake patina I don't think that would pull a lot of money also also for bad PPI eight like the patina thing isn't new This was this term got thrown around a lot in the early aughts like as the pro touring thing came about You know people will take muscle cars that look old and they would refurb all the suspension chassis etc And it would have patina and then they'd rip so but I I don't know if putting fake patina on something would probably never command a Higher price than clean paint or real patina sure With my guitar, I really like it. I but I I care less about the patina Then I care about the fact that when I plug that guitar in with no pedals or anything else It sounds exactly like Pearl Jam It sounds exactly like Mike McCready's guitar sounds So like you fucking play the opening notes of yellow lead better on that and like you're in Pearl Jam like so to me for after many many years of like Playing What is effectively 90% Pearl Jam songs on like other guitars? Because I liked them for one reason other having this one that sounds like Pearl Jam is like. Oh, yeah, this makes a lot of sense actually I Think if it was mechanically or electronically what it is and didn't have the aesthetic patina I'd probably still be into it But I get it I don't think I'd buy fake patina on a car, but like This guitar isn't designed to look like any 1959 strat is designed to look and play and sound exactly like one person's specific Guitar 59 strat. Yeah, like Mike McCready, but like that. He's been playing with since like It's like in the I don't know if it's in the alive video, but I'm pretty sure it's in At least one of the music videos from ten like he's been playing this guitar forever And if you look at music videos and live performances over the years you can see this guitar getting like more and more and more weathered It's fucking awesome. But is it but is if it's a 1959? What is it? It's a Stratocaster. It's a Fender Strat his is yeah, and it would be worth a fucking fortune But but my point is like this person says do we think the same concept of making a new thing look like an old thing? But in this case his is an old guitar, right? So they made your New guitar mine is a 2023 or whatever it is guitar that looks like his now it helps that a Brand-new fan like the Stratocaster hasn't really changed Take a new car make it feel like an old car. Yeah, you'd have to like I don't break it Looks so stupid and it would work too well Yeah, but I think what they do what they're doing in cars is like like with what Marco did with that Air-cooled 9-11 that you drove where they just sort of leave it rough on finish. They leave the patina They might there's some paint. There's like some of some paint you can put on cars They're like make them rust a little bit like I've seen stuff like that I can't imagine them doing it with a new car. Yeah, I think it looks like weird that'd be so weird Oh Ocean Parkway blunt rider love it now that the m badge is available in some capacity on basically everything BMW sells is it lost all meaning or does a true m car elicit the same response? It did 20 years ago. Is there an opportunity for BMW to do what caddy did with the black wing and create an additional Sub-brand what's what the CS is right? I mean isn't the CS is the hardcore Enthusiast model of the m-brand. Mm-hmm. I agree to a certain extent. Yeah, but I think I Mean True m car, I mean And these m cars are really fucking fast, but they also They don't do a lot for me in a lot of ways like the them five and the m3 and m4 and m8 Don't really like excite me in the way that any 46 m3 and a shark knows e31 did a An e39 m5 like sort of did I thought hmm I maybe it might have just been that that was a pinnacle to me of like styling and engines and Driver engagement and the new cars are like much faster, but don't like do it for me in the same We also can't discount our exposure like at that time in our we were like late teens early 20s We were just you know every magazine like these m these I think the m cars at the time We're very unique in their their combination of performance and comfort, but it was also like we were so excited about cars and weren't Saturated with information the way we are now we've driven more stuff you can get The black wings a good example like now Cadillac has a car that can do what the m3 and m5 used to do and that didn't exist before so For me it was like I put those on a pinnacle because they were the best they were the best sedan That e35 came out it was like that was a real game changer for her horsepower I mean that was it was Corvette horsepower it had it handled well It looked good, and it was a luxury yeah, and Mercedes at the time five-speed auto Yeah, you were awesome, and they also did a good job marketing with the the driver the guy richie film the guy richie stuff So it's all those things combine. Yeah, I'm gonna call the game there the wife is waiting for me for dinner you see and We got we'll hold it will hold any interesting questions for the next show We got a lot to talk about next show we got the BMW CS you got the Volvo EX 30 and I didn't even get to review the fucking DLS I drove over the weekend. I didn't know you did I have it was I went to go to breakfast me and Christian took the manks I was so excited to have the manks back With the tires back on it the right tires and everything took it to Malibu saw Maz And as he was leaving he was like I was about to leave I was like well don't fucking leave come back I dragged him back. He was in the in the DLS the gold one. It's on my Instagram and and I go you want to drive this because he was asked he was asking it ice race when he was gonna get to drive it I was like fucking next time I see you so I go you want to go drive it Wow, and he just hands me the key to this and I go okay, and he goes You're gonna go drive that right and I was like oh, I thought you were just leaving your key with me I don't know because it's parked weird or something and he was like no you should go drive that I was like, okay, and I was like Christian get in this car get in yeah, and oh Baby, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that next week But Maz also had some very nice by the way Maz for was is the former CEO of Singer He was the CEO of Singer from when the company Started until last year. I think he's now like vice chairman or I don't know his exact role right now But he's still at the company still there. He's not there But he's not the CEO anymore Raj Nair as a CEO now, but he had very nice things to say about the max chief strategy officer Right he said he came back and he was like I can't believe that this thing drives so nice He was like it's you know when you have a weird engine because he has some weird engines He's like the calibrations of like the low speed maneuverability and like the engagement that tip in and like he's like that stuff's really hard And like this is really really nice. It's good endorsement. Yeah. Yeah, so we'll talk about the DLS next week. It was Unforgettable we'll see you then thanks to our patrons for asking such good questions. Thanks everybody else for listening Have a nice evening