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She doesn't know what any of this stuff is. And she said, well, what watches you? And she said, the big dog. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine. The Smithsonian, if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person is right, it busts the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen cherub. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermon event. Welcome to Blurry Creatures. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Sometimes we get off the rodeo and we go right back in. We get right back on another episode of Blurry Creatures. Thank you for coming on the show, Drew. So if you've been with us from the beginning, you know how this goes, but we're going to ask you a different question. Drew, what are your thoughts on Dogman? Because that's why we're here today. Welcome to the podcast, OHIO. That's right. So this is fun because Drew, you're one of the people that reached out to us. We found on the website and the way people do reach out to us with their stories. you've got an amazing story that goes it spans you know almost two decades of encounters um with dog man a werewolf like like creature that most of this happened uh at your parents house which is in in and around norton ohio we're just grateful to have you man uh as as nate said welcome to the show he made a joke but we actually asked everybody and we're not going to skip on you what are your thoughts on bigfoot and then i just want to get into your story and we start from the beginning, wherever you want to begin your story. But first off, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? Welcome to the show. Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it. Bigfoot, I did not grow up really believing in Bigfoot. My mom kind of, she said that she saw Bigfoot when she was little, so I was open to it, but I wasn't. I figured enough people have seen it that there might be something out there, but I wasn't sure what it was. Maybe it was a hoax or something. And then going back to Nate's question, what do I think on Dogman? Then I saw Dogman. And at this point, if I saw like the biggest, baddest, meanest thing, then anything could be real. Yeah. Well, you've had, you know, as I just said, you've had a number of encounters over, you know, almost 16 years that we talked about pre-roll. So you're almost at two decades worth of experiences. Where do you want to start with this? Because you've corresponded and spent years researching these things as well. You corresponded with the late researcher, Linda Godfrey, actually your parents' place is in some of the stories I mentioned in one of her books. but where do you want to start and we want to hear just start us where we start and then let's get into the into what you've seen the stories and and your thoughts on on this creature and what's what's been going on in that area of Ohio all right yeah we can start in the beginning I think that's probably the best place to start so I was living with my parents for a little bit I would just move back in with them because I was going to leave for an academy and I've been hearing some things I was in my my second story bedroom and I've been hearing some noises in the middle of the night and didn't think a whole lot of it because they had some, my parents have some weird neighbors, man. So I thought maybe they were just like along the fence line checking their stuff. But then there was one night that I had my, my window open. It was like five or six feet wide. I had it, I had it wide open. My desk is right up against it. And I had my music playing, of course, low. Cause I didn't want to wake anybody outside or in the house up. And I still remember the song, the band that I was listening to and the song that was playing when all this happened, it's kind of weird how certain things get like seared into your memory. I'm doing this, this, work at my desk. It's like probably 1130 at night or something like that. I worked full time, went to school full time. So I worked well into the night and I'm doing this, I'm typing up this paper and I just feel like I'm being watched. And it's not like you're at the mall or something. I don't know if there's really malls anymore, but like, it's not like you're out in public or something and somebody is just passively watching you. It's like, I'm being stared at, you know, I've hunted, I've run into some, some pretty big game. Um, and I'd never felt anything like that. So honestly, I was going to school for criminology and we just studied some serial killers and I was like, man, that almost feels like I'm being watched by a serial killer. And then I started, I heard what I thought was probably about 30 yards from my bedroom window was a fence line. Typical normal chain link fence, but they're what, four, four and a half feet tall. So up against that is like a row of two or three trees deep and there's a bunch of undergrowth. so it's kind of hard for a regular person to walk through. I mean, I could, but I probably have some issues with it. But the neighbor in that property was probably in his 60s or 70s and at first I thought maybe it was him just walking along the fence and then he was walking through this undergrowth like there was no issue. I started listening some more and like I said, I had music on so I started turning it down a little bit. I'm listening. Well, it's definitely a person. It's definitely walking on two legs. I realized, well, this person is not having any issue through this undergrowth So this has got to be like a pretty decently fit person because there's poison ivy and all kinds of vines and stuff there too. And they're pushing branches over. This is a considerably sized person All of a sudden I heard this person they walking back and forth And I paused the music Cause I wanted to hear I was I was trying to be nonchalant like acting like I was doing something at my desk while I paused the music and then I pushed play And when I pushed pause, the walking stopped. When I pushed play, the walking started again, did this a few more times trying to be nonchalant. And each time that I did it, you know, walking stopped, walking started again. So I got up, I got my, my handgun. Cause I was like, well, I'm definitely being watched. And I set it next to me and I continued working on my paper. I had the volume almost all the way turned down at this point. I kind of, again, just want to be nonchalant and not really lead this person. I thought it was a person at this time to know that I was kind of onto them, you know? And then I got this overwhelming sense of dread. Like this person was going to jump through the window and violently kill me. I'm not a small guy. Like I'm not the biggest guy in the world, but I'm not a small guy, but I was, I was actually afraid of this, this weird feeling that I was having. So I grabbed my handgun and I put it actually in my lap and I continued to kind of working. And then this person was walking back and forth and they stopped and they took a step back. And it was kind of at this point that I knew I wasn't, I wasn't listening to a person as they took a step back, the inhale and exhale that happened definitely sounded like a, some kind of creature, right? So takes a step back and leaps over this fence without touching it, without jumping and running. It just jumped right over it, leaped right over it. All the trees and the brush and everything, I could hear where it just pushed through all those limbs and it broke all those limbs and came through. So it leaped over this fence. My parents had a bunch of chickens and this one rooster liked to stay out. In the book, I think we refer to him as Lonely. That was his name back then because he would always stay out. And he was like the lonely guy, you know, so we tried, he didn't like to go and, uh, get into the coop in the evening. So sometimes he'd get left out. If we could not find him, we'd try to go out and look for him. And that night we couldn't find him. Well, lonely was out and this thing jumped over the fence and it was chasing the chicken. So my parents used to have this, this round above ground pool. And it looked like they, the people that lived there before had dug out around it just to make it level. so there is a like a half semi-circle of dirt kind of kind of dug out right and this creature and the chicken are running around in this circle and i can hear this whatever this thing is running on two feet it's clearly running on two feet i've hunted since i was like seven years old you can tell when something is on four legs or two legs it was bipedal and i can hear it grunting as it sounds like it's like trying to swipe with his hands to it was like bending over trying to swipe with his hands to grab this chicken. So this goes on for, it seemed like an eternity, it was probably like five, six seconds, man. And then everything went quiet. It jumped right back over where it originally jumped out. It jumped right back over the fence. And then it sounded like the chicken had like, was being torn apart. Okay, something just got the chickens. I don't know if it's a mountain. I'm trying to like, like rationalize this with myself. You know, normal she buys kicks in. Like, I don't know if it's a, if it's a mountain lion or if it's a coyote or what, something just got the chicken. So I take my stupid little handgun, you know, my flashlight, and I go down the stairs and out the back door around the sunroom. And I'm looking along the fence. And my mind didn't really register the eyes. A lot of people talk about seeing the eyes. I didn't see the eyes. What I remember is seeing, like, this part of the mouth down. I remember the teeth, man. And it almost looked like this thing was smiling at me. I've heard other people saying that, too, and heard other people saying that. And it looked like it was like almost mocking me. You know what I mean? Like almost like a challenge. And I could see the outline of the shoulders and these arms came way down. And the rooster was like really, really, really white. And I saw the white outline of this big chicken. And over it was this massive hand. It was like it was holding down a football. So this chicken was, I don't know how well you can see it on the screen. It's like, it's definitely at least as white as I am. You know, um, he was not a small rooster and this thing has one hand down on it. Its palm was like as big as my hand and then its fingers were like this long. So I see this one hand holding down the chicken and I wanted to shoot, right? I've been training a lot. Pretty good shot. And I wanted to shoot this thing, whatever it was. I wasn't sure what it was. I'm still trying to rationalize, but everything in my body said not to shoot. I'm like fixated on this hand and then I heard a growl at me it was just this low horrific growl I thought oh I can't do this I need backup so where did I go I ran inside and got my mommy no I'm just joking I did I went inside I was like pounding on my parents door and my mom ended up coming to the door so I guess I did kind of go inside and get my mommy and she comes to the door I never bothered them when they were sleeping you know I'm trying to be pretty respectful to people when they were sleeping because but she came out and she's like looking at me and at this point I'm in shock I've never encountered anything like this this is like my worst nightmare as a child you know my biggest fear as a child was werewolves and here I'm like I think I just saw a werewolf you know I was I was saying all kinds of words and she's you're not making sense what's going on and the three words that I could get out was chicken shotgun now it's only three words that I could audibly like intelligently say so she grabbed her shotgun and it was 20 gauge. We walk outside and I've shined my flashlight over where it's at and the chicken is just pacing the fence now. The thing's gone. So I'm looking around trying to see if I can see this thing or any sign of this thing. She's thinking I'm crazy, right? And we get to the fence and the chicken's completely fine. We get to the fence and she tells me to reach over and I kind of look at her like she's insane because I've seen enough horror movies and now that's how you get decapitated. So no, I'm not doing that. I'm lifting this fence up and you can just cover me, right? You have a 12 or you have a 20 gauge and all I had was this stupid pistol that I brought Had I known I would have probably brought a 12 gauge but that would have been a mistake as we talk about a little bit later And I lift the fence up and the chicken comes running between both of our legs and runs underneath the deck that they had It was like a foot and a half clearance. You can't really climb under it because there's mud and stuff under there. And he would not come out for us. I said, I'm done trying to get this chicken. We're going back in the house, right? So she asked me about what's going on. and I'm trying to explain to her that I think some kind of monster jumped over the fence, you know, and grabbed the chicken. So I think maybe she thought I was a little crazy. I went upstairs, closed the window, put a blanket over the window. I didn't want this thing looking in. And I spent hours doing research because I'm like, the only thing that I know about is Bigfoot. You asked me what I thought about Bigfoot. That's the only kind of cryptid that I knew about. I didn't know there was other things out there. And I thought it was a werewolf, right? like is the people actually see these things so i learned about the michigan dogman and i reached out to a handful probably i don't 12 13 14 people and the only one that got back to me the next day was was linda godfrey and we went back and forth and she's yeah this is like a clear-cut case of of uh of dogman encounter throughout that right after that time there was and she uh just for our listeners she wrote that book the beast of bray road she became kind of like an unofficial dogman expert. We tried to get her on the show for a long time as her health kind of declined. But yeah, she had like, she kind of was like a journalist who got sort of like hand selected as the dog man lady. And everyone was sending her their stories. We keep going. Yeah, she was awesome. She knew all these things and she said, well, this is similar to this story. This is similar to this story. It kind of pointed me in the right direction. And she included us in one of her books and then sent me a signed copy of it. I've got it right here. I was showing you guys before the show. And we were in constant contact. She told me, you know, use discernment when you're sharing your story, because a lot of people were just out to use your story to make money and all these things. And she said, there's another story of somebody, I think in Wisconsin, where a dog man was like antagonizing another guy in the house, right? Like somebody else's child, a very similar story. And she told me that what it seemed like was that, and I was wondering about this because the chicken wasn't harmed. It was bait. That chicken was to get me to go outside. Bait for you. Yes. Yeah, that was going to be my question. How did the chicken get out of his hand? Yeah. Oh, he let it go. Yeah. So if he wanted it, I mean, he definitely would have had it. And if he wanted me, he would have had me. So I'm very thankful that I didn't start shooting because now other things have happened and now I'm all but convinced that these things, well, I'm sure, these things travel in packs. so if you see one there's probably more around you and had i you know shot at one i'm sure that some others would have shown themselves and that would have been a bad night worse night than it was when this begins everything for you drew right because this is this is the this sort of the the genesis of your of your your stories i've heard that about the dog man by the way that they travel in packs there was one story where like there was a farmhouse and there was a whole bunch of them surrounding the house that was like dude it's the dog man stories are the ones that freak you out because you you can hear bigfoot encounters sometimes they're fun sometimes they're like whatever but the dog man encounters are always did you see like some like the canine obviously it's bipedal do you did you see like any sort of canine features so you saw didn't see this you saw from like the mouth down did it look like a dog or was it just like all these things happened so fast every time that i've seen it right i haven't seen its face super clear yeah um clearest that i've seen it was just like right here down and it wasn't like i think there's several different kinds of these things because this wasn't like a german shepherd's snout it was more like a like a a weird hybrid between a dog and a person it was closer to something like the island of dr moreau the one that i saw there was definitely some pronunciation there but it wasn't it wasn't as long as some people say it was yeah yeah and the smiling thing too yeah because this is your encounter story nate kind of what i saw yeah and they saw one in suburban sacramento as a kid looking in your window he was in the the door of a screen door screen door out to the backyard and i uh it took like a three a three glance to be like am i really looking at at this thing and it had a smile and a smirk. And I swear I had red eyes too. That's what I've heard too. I've heard red and yellow, but I haven't seen the eyes. I think I was so fixated on those teeth and that hand, man, that I just... So you think it was baiting you out of the house? Yeah, I think so. There was other things that happened too. So you asked me about canine features. There was one time that I pulled into my parents' driveway and the driveway kind of goes like this and it evens out, right? It levels out at the top. And I had my brights on because it doesn't seem like they like really bright light. So I had my brights on every night that I'd pull in. I had my brights on and have you seen the movie signs? Yeah. Yeah. You know, when he drops the flashlight in the cornfield and he picks it up, he's like smacking it and then he sees that leg. It was just like that they had. So my parents had North American bamboo in the backyard. It was all over the place and these things like to hang out back there. So every couple of years we just go back there and cut it all down. So as I crested the driveway, my lights came down and I saw the leg going back behind the bamboo. And I saw like the back, probably three quarters of its leg, and it was very clearly canine-like. I could see like the backwards, the backwards joint and everything coming up from the foot. So... It has like a... Have you seen a photo online that looks like a dogman foot? You have. yeah truth is the beginning so then what I know that you've got you know 16 years of activity so what you dive into research you're talking to Linda Godfrey she kind of giving you the the download on this creature pretty sure you narrowed down that you had an encounter with a dog man It trying to lure you out If this is sort of a, it's modus operandi, it's trying to get you out. What do you think happens if people go out and do you think people, this could be how people disappear? Do you think this is something that happens to folks where, I mean because if you're saying you're sure there's some other ones around as well I think this is kind of how they hunt you think they're hunting people I think there could be an aspect of that and I think in more maybe extremely rural areas that might happen because I've heard I've heard reports of that as well the theory that I'm kind of working right now it's kind of it might be a little juvenile but I think they really like fear because when you listen to a lot of the dog man stories you know they talk about how the dog man smells them. I think they, I think they like that for hunting. You can, you can usually tell, at least in my experience, um, I've seen them in four, maybe five. Well, I've seen them in three, maybe four. My parents have seen them in another place, uh, different areas and there's always missing pets. So I think they, they eat the dogs and the cats. It seems like they hate dogs just from what I've, what I've seen. Um, so maybe they, they attack people, but there were, I mean, for years, right? I'd go over there. So for the little bit that I was living there with my parents, this happened, like it was almost a nightly occurrence of this happened. And then every once in a while, when I'd be there, if I'd go there to stay for a week or something with them, or, you know, just, just visiting, we'd hear banging on the side of the house, banging on the front door, banging on the back door. We'd hear them on the roof. They like to climb on the roof all the time. I remember one time my mom and I were sitting down watching a movie and both of her dogs were looking straight up at the ceiling. So she muted it and we could hear the footsteps on the ceiling. Hmm. Yeah. Okay. Well, the monster's up there. You know, we just kind of lovingly refer to it as the monster. Um, but these things that would, they would knock on the door and on the side of the house, I mean, like as hard as, as hard as you can imagine, you know, and to the point where we thought the wall could come down and that give three four good bangs I mean my actually in this book my sister wrote my mom a note so I stuck it in this book and she I forget why she was there but she said mom I let lonely boy in because he was he was at the door I thought he was cold but I think that thing was outside because not even five minutes after I let him out something banged on the side of the house by the bathroom or your room three times really hard really loud really fast I don't know if there are footprints I didn't check, the snow might have covered them up. This is around 10 or 11 a.m. I'll be back tomorrow. So apparently she left a little bit after that, and it freaked her out. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
