Bill Kristol: The Murder of Alex Pretti

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Because you and I have been in less 48 hours and a pretty angry, genuinely angry at upset. Wouldn't you say I don't know that I've been a subset in the Trump years, really? Yeah, I don't know. I was pretty upset back around kind of the Lafayette Square Town in the first term, but I've been rage tweeting. I've been fighting with everyone on the internet. I can't sleep. I was like rage posting instead of sleeping over the weekend. And I think I had my first cry of the Trump administration too. I was going to surprise that I didn't cry when he won. So I had my first cry. It's not terrible what they've done. And I do think it's important that the response is commensurate to the cry. And I think that is where my rage is emanating from. So I guess obviously over the weekend, folks haven't done this. You can make sure to sign up for the board takes feed because when stuff's happening over the weekends or at night, we are doing live coverage. So we talked about this a bunch, but that's the first show back since it happens. So just really quick on to the facts and then we can get to our rants. So this was Saturday morning. And Alex Prety as a VA nurse, 37 years old was videotaping ice agents in South Minneapolis. We have a bunch of different angles of video at this point to see this, including in the lead up. It was in the street kind of looks like any directing traffic or something or it was unclear exactly what he's doing. But he'd moved to the sidewalk and some ICBP agents approach him and a woman. You can't really hear what the woman is saying, but they push the woman to the ground. He is still videotaping Prety and gets in between the agent and the woman and tries to help her. And then he gets pushed to the ground, type of sprayed right in the face, a point blank range. He's kneeling and they drag him. And now at this point, there are probably seven officers surrounding him, seven agents of the state surrounding him, masked of course. And one of the agents you can see in the video disarms him. They see that he's carrying a concealed weapon and they take his gun away from him. And then someone shoots him in the back of the head and then another guy starts shooting him from the front and 10 shots are fired. These shot 10 times and kills several of the IC agents. Then flee the scene basically. You see one of them cover himself in the mask more. You see another IC agent cheer it on, clapping, saying boohoo to the people watching. And then the IC agents try to prevent local police from assessing the scene and doing what police are supposed to do following a shooting. Local Minneapolis police refuse to leave the scene. But there's still a bunch of unanswered questions, including who killed them, where the video is from his phone, et cetera. So that's like the basic rundown of what happened. We can take it anywhere Bill. Where do you want to start? I just want to question. I have seen contrary things on this. Do we know that they were IC agents and not border patrol agents? It was CBP. Yeah, CBP. And some people said it. And I guess maybe I don't know what the right approach is. It's a fine stretch. To me, it's kind of the same. They're both DHS totally. You know, it's within the Department of Homeland Security. And they've been a de facto merged for these operations. I mean, they're doing the same thing. So IC has become short-hand. But in this case, just to be precise, it was IC agents that killed her and I good. And in this case, it was border patrol agents that killed her. Prey. And I guess the one other thing we should just say, then, is immediately after he's executed in the street, the administration immediately begins lying out of the gate. Like before we even have any videos, they'd already leaked to Fox that he had a weapon. Fox posted a picture of his gun as if that absolved them of their murder. It's like the first thing I saw after seeing the video. So very fast, they send that to Fox. And then very fast CBP, Bavino, and others from representing the administration talking about how pretty was there to cause maximum damage. Was there a massacre? Multiple people used in the administration as a massacre with his plan. Before we'd seen all the angles, just a meat without even a second of waiting or a pretense, like they immediately start smearing the man that they had murdered. And I think there was an email. They sent very quickly to outside friends who were going to repeat all this, that it was a, as they put it illegal alien, they had murdered, which of course was the total fiction. And then it turns out the undocumented immigrant, they allegedly were even seeking on this peak operation. I can't remember what doesn't exist or is already in jail. It's one of these typical. Yeah, no, they lied about him as well. I knew that everything was going to happen. So many lies. And then this operation was we'd go after someone that the Department of Corrections was keeping from them and passing over to them and that he was a violent criminal. But then they said the person's name and the Department of Corrections, shout out to the Minnesota Department of Corrections. This is where we are. They've had to create a rapid response page to respond to all the lies coming from the federal government about what the local Bureau of Prisons is doing in Minnesota. But they put out a thing that said the guy you're talking about was not in our custody. And we looked at his record and his only criminal record is traffic violations like 10 years ago. You did excellent immediate podcast on Saturday. I did something with Sam Sunday morning and Adrian actually Karsky, which was I think quite good. They were both excellent. And as someone said afterwards, you guys focused a lot on the lying, but killing is worse than lying. I take that point. But the lying is important. Well, one thing, it's so much goes to their motives and their what they're doing. You could imagine things going terribly awry. It happens, obviously, in police forces and other circumstances and someone shoots someone under some mistake at apprehension. Or maybe there's one bad apple and he really does shoot someone. It takes pleasure. That's terrible, obviously. But you could imagine the Department as a whole, the organization as a whole, reacting in a certain way. That would mean that you didn't have to say that organization is utterly and totally rotten from the top down. The other hand, if the organization goes into 100%, not even cover up, cover up would be much too mild to term. Flat out lying, slandering this man who has killed who serves at the very abduable and impressive. I see University VA hospital, but even if we weren't, I mean, this just killed in cold blood. And the lying is just up and down the scale, so to speak. It does say a lot. So I see the killing is the most terrible thing. The lying is so indicative. It's why it has to be just uprooted, boot and ranch. This isn't the case of a police department that's got some problems. It's got one subdivision that's got problems. It's got some bad apples. They don't really like disciplining their own people, so they kind of don't give them as tough a time as they should. We are so far beyond that with this rotten, I mean, it is something like something out of East Germany or earlier Germany. Yeah. The killing is being worse. Minnesota police, this from David Beer has been doing good coverage of this. Minnesota police has not had to shoot anyone in a year. So like the idea that this is the kind of thing that happens, you know, that law enforcement's a tough job and that, you know, sometimes you get into these situations and yet the police have to defend themselves. Well, and Minneapolis police haven't had to discharge their weapon in a year. But in this year, we're in January 26th, there's been a single homicide committed by a resident of Minneapolis. Two now, two homicides by the massed agents of the state that have come into the city. So like none of any of those other defenses you have laid out, the people have offered in the past of law enforcement where it's a gray area where they've acted, you know, maybe used to access and force that they should have. Like, that's not the case here. Like, this is just a totally unnecessary and pointless invasion of the city based on the pretense that there was some Somali fraud in the daycares and how that justifies just roaming through the cities, randomly menacing people and racially targeting people and killing people to your point of it needing to be gotten rid of root and branch. I mean, the response to this from my vantage point, like needs to be get these fucking people out of Minneapolis immediately, like get them out of Minneapolis immediately. And I think that a lot of times there can be, you know, politicians are trying to decide like what's the art of the possible? What can we do here? Once they've killed two people, I don't really see any other potential solution besides getting them out. I should say this morning, forget your response. Donald Trump has offered his solution this morning, which is that he sent in Tom Homan, who I guess is the moderating force in this administration, even though he said tons of noxious shit on Fox about who wants everybody to be deported, even if they're not violent criminals. And, you know, he allegedly took a bag of $50,000 in cash, but he's more moderate than Miller, Noam and Lewandowski, you know, who have bloodlust for the people of Minneapolis. But Trump is sent him into the city. I guess that's going to be his effort to try to, you know, calm down the handful of people in the Republican world that are a little bit queasy about this. But that is nowhere near acceptable, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, totally agree. I think it's a good point. It isn't effort to calm down the, as you say, the people in the Republican world who are a few more of them are a little more queasy than they have, but I can't say they're really standing up here. No, but until Homan rejects or if he de-its the lies, corrects the lies on the record. On camera of all of his colleagues, it's worthless. I mean, that he's just a nicer face for the same thing. Then she get no credit for this kind of, you know, token, I don't know what you call it. And here's the other thing that you say that what they have to do is, is repudiate the lies and do so on the record until the truth about what happened. They were taping this in the morning. Maybe by the time this comes out this afternoon, we will know the answer to this question. But as mentioned, we still don't know who the fuck killed him. We don't know who killed Alex Prety. We're living in a country right now where masked agents of the state roam the streets, shoot people, kill them, American citizens, okay, then flee. And then they're protected by the government. And according to the Bavino press conference, they've been reassigned to another state. So these guys are like somewhere else in the country doing who knows what. That is totally insane. When you talk about East Germany, in a free country, you don't get to anonymously assassinate citizens on the street, okay? There has to be accountability. This is not about doxing or going out to the person. There has to be accountability. These people should be indicted and charged by the local officials in Minnesota. And then they can defend themselves like anybody else could in a court of law because nobody is above the law. We're not even close to that because at the time of this taping, we don't even know who fucking killed him. We think that it's multiple people that fired their weapons at home. We don't know. We don't know the names of the other people around. We don't know the names like the name of the guy who was clapping after they killed him. Like we live in a allegedly a democratic republic where these people, these agents are representatives of us. They report to us the people, not to Cory Lewandowski and his lover at DHS, right? They do not have the ability, they should not have the ability to be anonymous in the carrying out of their duties. They are representative, unfortunately or sadly, of what border patrol and ICE have become or at least what the leadership of border patrol and ICE wants them to be. I think it's really, this is an obvious point, but maybe one that gets a little lost leadership. But I mean, it's up to the president of the United States, but certainly including Kristina Wilman-Bavino and at home and for that matter. This is what they've been cheering for for two months. This is what they've been encouraging for two months. This is what they've been praising for two months. Actually, yes, a little, the murder, the murder of Renee Good, but also the pepper spray and the bee and the hitting and the tough guy, all the toughness. They're reveling in it. They're encouraging it. So you're some guy down in the ranks. This is what my bosses want. So that's what I mean by the organization is so rotten. You don't even know how to begin to fix it. Maybe you can't get rid of the whole organization tomorrow that you should, but certainly get them out of the goddamn city. Yeah, it's a little me secret police. Get them the fuck out of the city. That's the answer here. Look at the vice president, for example. His response to the murder of a U.S. citizen was to do a long post lamenting how mean people are being to ice. And he tells a story that's probably fabricated because he's admitted to fabricating stories in the past about how ice agents were eating lunch somewhere and somebody called and told their friends that the ice agents were in lunch there. And then a bunch of people showed up there and shouted them down and yelled at them and they were and blew their whistles in their face. That was JD Vance's response to the secret police killing somebody, the poor secret police, people were blowing the whistles too loudly and they're yelling at them when they should have a peaceful lunch. That's the vice president. Same vice president who said that they should have immunity for their actions. So yeah, it is not at all surprising that they feel like they can kill people in the streets without even being named without having any responsibility for their actions. So maybe it's that. I also would like to throw out onto the table that these guys also just have no idea what they're doing and maybe just shit their pants. And that's the grenade good situation that looked like to me. The guy doesn't know what to do. He's got a weapon. He doesn't know what to do with it. She's pulling towards him for one second and like he starts firing on her. It kind of doesn't matter at some level whether they're cowards or blood thirsty. 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Before we get to the Democrats, I want to talk to you just one more thing about like the actual killing and what happened because no matter the situation, this would be outrageous. Not really in my life. I guess maybe you could go back to the 90s stuff with Ruby Ridge or Waco or something. There's a ton of differences. I was like trying to think of the last time that the federal government literally killed Americans. I guess you could count the drones of some American citizens who were with the terrorists on the other side. In this case, an American citizen not breaking any laws and the government killed him and then smeared him and is protecting his mother. What he was actually doing was exercising the most basic fundamental American rights allegedly. Like Alex Prety was exercising his first amendment right to assembly, speech, his videotaping agents. He's allowed to do. He's expressing a second amendment right to carry a weapon. He was doing so legally. He was permitted to do so. The government's literal stated rationale for killing him is that they did not like the way he was exercising those two rights. We have some audio on the second one, but do you have anything on either that before we listen to these fucking morons? No, it's really a key point though. Yeah, they're killing him because he's being a conscientious citizen who actually is trying to, in this case, monitor what agencies of the federal government that have already committed murder and many, many other crimes, I would say, or Soths. He's trying to help out fellow citizens by monitoring them and in a more particular moment of the murder, he's trying to help a woman who's been thrown to the ground who wasn't doing anything wrong. I guess he was filming it was it. You've seen these videos in other cases, right? We focus on the murderous for good reason, but again, this is to the why they must be removed. I've seen a bunch of videos now of these guys pushing women to the ground, right? And so they feel like they have total cart blotch to just rough up American citizens who they perceive to be annoying them in any way. I want to go though to the second amendment part of this because this has just been unbelievably revealing. Listeners, the show now, if there's anything I've lived out on more, it's the guys guns over the past 20 years. You know, I have felt like the arguments being made by the pro-second amendment side were bad faith for a long time now. And one set argument is that the reason that we need to have this right to bear alarms is if a tyrannical government cracks down on us, that's what's different in America, right? That we, the people have the power to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government. Well, now that exact scenario is playing out. A tyrannical and lawless government is cracking down on American citizens. One of them decided to aren't themselves. This is what the Trump administration has been saying to rationalize that, killing. Let's listen. And there's no evidence that he brandished the gun whatsoever. But he brought a gun. He was disarmed before he was. Have you ever gone to a protest, Jonathan? We do have a second amendment in this country that Jonathan, if you ever go to a protest, I mean, have you gone to a protest? I mean, I've, I know, actually, I have as a report recovering it. Okay, I've been to a protest. Guess what? I didn't bring a gun. I brought a billboard. What? You cannot bring a firearm loaded with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It's that simple. You don't have that right to break the law. So I mean, Farmer Scott Bessent talking about how he brought a billboard to the, I'd like to see a picture of Scott Bessent Scott billboard Bessent at a protest with a billboard because call him he's skeptical. So that's even true. But it's Bessent saying that you don't bring a gun to a protest. And then you have cash brutality FBI director saying that it was illegal for Alex Freddie to be carrying his weapon. It's just not true. Like he was illegally permitted carrier of a firearm. And so I think what they have revealed is that this is just all who who. Right. It's like we don't actually have a principle belief in the second amendment in any way. Like we just think that our guys should be able to carry guns if they want to show up to the Capitol and show up to the Michigan Capitol and then us people and and we can carry guns. But if the bad guys are carrying guns, if the lips are carrying guns, we get to kill them. That's basically where they planned it. Just to be clear, he's, it's a concealed carry state. He had a permit apparently. And he had a concealed gun. He never branched it. He didn't pull it. They seem to have found it when maybe on him, you know, holstered what if that's the right word when he pushed him to the ground, took it out and threw it away. I mean, that's what's so appalling, obviously. And then they just birch it all together and say, well, what do you expect? Someone comes to a protest and branching a gun. Or, you know, what do you expect these guys to do? But panic and shoot him as a fees. If this was a standoff of someone waiting a gun around, utterly at 100%. Yeah. False. And he is really the worst. You should get on his case for 10 years. Disgusting. You haven't been giving him enough of a tough thing. He is revolting. He is revolting. He is revolting. He is revolting. Disgusting. The only protest that he went to was a Yale when the Yale tried to do something decent, like, I don't know, let it more minorities or Jews or treat women equal or something. And it probably got him all upset because, you know, he was the attached to the old Yale. I don't know what the hell. But he's such a phony and such. He's so creepy in the way he thinks that's clever point he's making against John DeCaro. Well, it's awesome. Mike Jobs. Oh, he deserved to die. He deserved to die for carrying the weapon. Like, that's what you are saying as the Treasury Secretary is a representative of the government. It's foolish. And all these people, it just makes me so upset because, like, for what, 20 years now since Columbine, they have made this argument over and over again that, like, the mass murder of children in the schools is just something that we have to live with. It's just a free country we need to be able to carry our weapons to protect ourselves in the government or that you need to have a good guy with a gun needs to be there in case of bad guy with a gun shows up so that he can protect people. It's like, this was a good guy with a gun trying to protect people from a tyrannical government. That's what Alex Freddy does. He should be the poster boy for them. And instead, they're smearing him and saying that he deserved it. I don't think going forward there is any reason if there ever was in the past to take any of the arguments about this seriously because they obviously don't care about the second amendment. It's power only. That's my fucking rant about that. Absolutely right. Good thing don't care about any of the amendments or any of the civil rights, but this is one of the ones that conservatives like to Republicans like to cite. It's particularly dishonest or hypocritical. And we should throw the fourth on there as well about unlawful search and seizure. They've basically said they can do that now too. They can go into people's houses without a warrant. So they're just totally shitting on the first, second and fourth amendments murdering people for exercising and defending those amendments. Some group called the Minnesota gun orders have did put out a statement. I think in them all this saying this is not right. The federal government should not be saying that this guy can't have a gun in a legal way in Minnesota. I don't know where the national NRA has been and I don't know how big this Minnesota gun orders group is. There should be an investigation. And there's been some lip service too. But all those statements they come with, they all start to do that. So the liberals have been getting a little out of hand. Right. They need to calm down as well. They need to stop escalating. And it's just like, no. No. If you believe in rights for people, like those rights extend to people that you hate and that you don't like. That's what it means to live in a liberal, probabilistic society. They don't believe we should love them. One thing I guess that is the point here. Like there is two gradients of people. There are people that are fully on board with the authoritarian project who only think that the Constitution is applicable to their supporters and friends. And then there's like a second level of people that are a little bit queasy about that. But like not queasy enough to do anything. They're just kind of hoping that, you know, maybe cooler heads might prevail. And that's, you know, your Dave McCormick's Kevin Stitt, Oklahoma governor. There have been a handful of Republicans who have said things like, oh, we need an investigation. It was okay for them to be carrying a weapon. Like none of them are attacked or going after Trump. None of them are saying that they agents should be out of the streets. None of them are saying that they should be unmasked, right? Like, you know, there's a handful of people that are a little bit, which is good, better than nothing that have gotten a little queasy. But nothing even close to matching the affront to the rights of the people of Minneapolis. Yeah, totally. The Wall Street Journal editorial last night was, they seem to put her mostly in terms of sort of Trump politically. They didn't seem to terribly, you know, to go on a great length about this man who was murdered or anything like that. But nonetheless, Trump should pause the operation in Minnesota, which I, you know, was good. And it is a little bit further than some other people have gone. It just let's have an investigation or were perturbed, you know, but which I can just get to the demo, which just really quick before the Democrats. Can I read a sentence from that fucking Wall Street Journal editorial? Because again, it's like horrible both so- Yeah. You got a hand. I want you. It's fine. I think it was that I was sort of discussed. Susan said, you know, that's even the journal. They seem to be coming around and I mean, she just did that line and I sort of read it. And I was like, no, I guess, but oh, my God, I can't stand it. Go ahead. Here's the key sentence. Videos and event aren't always definitive, but this is how it looks to us. Pretty attempted foolishly to assist a woman who had been pepper sprayed by agents, multiple agents then tackled in the need of phone. Like, is that necessary? Is that necessary? The agents came up and pushed her to the ground. Then the agents pepper sprayed him in the face. So if anybody acted fucking foolishly, it was the people that escalated the situation to such a degree that a guy, a VA nurse, got shot 10 times and point blank. So, you know, I just, I want to be encouraged by the fact that the New York Post and Wall Street Journal and then some of these other people are at least, you know, trying to get Trump to tamp it down, but my rage kind of overtakes that feeling. Totally, where you are. I mean, analytically, it might give a little bit of a noose to some Republicans, but even so to doage them from where, from, you know, from eight A-Midas, not to where they should be, which is about, you know, Z is something by this point. So, yeah, I'm not hugely encouraged by that. And they had some nonsense about how also, you know, everyone on both sides has been very irresponsible. So why aren't walls in fry telling Minneapolis citizens to stop, you know, recording ice and stop interfering with their operations? And it's like, what? Why is that their job? The opposite. The opposite, though we need to, isn't the proof that we need to have some videos. We can't trust the words that the government says, that the federal government says. And the Minnesota cops can't be thinking they're busy desperately trying to stop violence and do their job and stop ice from committing even more violence, I suppose. Minneapolis citizens have been really admirable. I've got to say it. Amazingly admirable. And so, again, but the journal can't say that, of course, because so then at least they come out for a pause, sort of, that in the Minneapolis operation, which now puts them to the left so far as I can tell, of even most Senate Democrats who I don't think are calling right now. I mean, if the journal is saying that Trump should pause the operation, it would also logically follow that Congress could require Trump to pause the operation. And if they think it's a good thing, what do they care if Trump does it or if Congress says you got no funding for troops, ice or whatever, 12 troops in Minneapolis. But that doesn't seem to be part of the core demands yet that I can tell. Some people said it, of course, some Democrats, but the stories about Chuck Schumer, I know you were following this pretty closely, so I differ to you. I don't think the withdrawing the actual troops who have killed, as you say, of two thirds of the opposites in Minnesota so far in 2026, withdrawing those people. And we're doing nothing. They're contributing nothing to the city. They're causing chaos and murder and assaults and businesses calling if you care about that. People can't go out, of course, to the restaurant. I mean, everything else, if they all they are, is a terrible visitation on the city of Minneapolis and state of Minnesota. And I don't know. I just really hope Democrats see the light and think about it seriously for a minute. I mean, what is the case for these people being in Minneapolis? There's just no case for it. None. So get them out. There was never a case for it. Well, there's never a case for it, right? From the beginning, it was pretextual nonsense. Even if you took them with their word that they cared about this for all. Yes, send it, auditors. Yes, fucking auditors. What are wire-masked people like pushing women on the street? The other reason why this just gets my go at the most is that I do, I do really still care. I do really want to live in a free country. The exercise of our rights as citizens is like the whole point of the country, all right? And to have these fucking assholes saying that, oh, the Minnesota citizens shouldn't exercise those rights quite as vociferously. They should shut up. They should calm down a little bit. You know, we don't need these mouthy lesbians out on the street, you know, annoying our agents. And it's like, no, that is not how things work. How quickly they have flipped the don't tread on me like motto to like comply or die. Is there a new motto? Comply with us or die? And that is such bullshit. It is not the obligation actually of Tim Walls and Jacob Fry to try to tell the citizens to not exercise their rights. The opposite, frankly. They should be encouraging them more. And I think Walls and Fry have done great. The DC guys to your point, let's go back to Schumer. Here's what is plan is. Restrain reform and restrict ICE is the new thing. Find whatever I don't care. But do we need that to get the out wizards in here for this sort of stuff? I just speak plainly. Then here is the plan. One, Schumer says he has the votes to block the DHS funding bill. I hope so. Good. They need 60 votes to get it through. There are only 53 Republicans who knows Federman probably votes for it. It's 54 and then you need six other ones. Schumer says that there aren't enough Democrats to provide the votes to the DHS funding bill. It's good enough. First up, they're going to ask for real investigations into the murder. Asked. Oh, wow. We're doing murder investigations now. Awesome. Maybe we can know who fucking killed him, including an end to impeding the state and local investigations and end to masks and arrest quotas. Three, they'll try to advance the other five spending bills, which are relatively bipartisan without DHS. All this would require Senate Republicans to agree into the House to come back before Friday. Both seem unlikely. So we'll probably end up in a shutdown over it. We should end up in a shutdown over it. These are all fine steps. The response needs to be commensurate with the crime. And these guys, the Democrats should be in Minnesota marching with people. And they should have a stated beginning negotiating position of, we'll just keep the government shut down until you get these fucking goons out of the city. That should be their stance. See what Republicans do. Maybe they end the filibuster over it. I don't know. Maybe they maybe then they come to some deal where we get some more of a compromise solution. That's fine. But I don't know. If we have to listen to Trump, we can graduate it for his maximalist position. If I'm going to seize Greenland, how about the Democrats start with the correct and maximalist position and then see what Republicans do? And it's not that Maxwellist position, but there are actually many more Maxwellist things they could do. Maybe they shouldn't say maybe it should be get them off the streets of every city. I mean, what are the hell are they doing? And let me off this paperwork, they have to do back in the office. If they have to go to prison, this is really what I normally used to do. Pick someone up whose term is ended and it was undocumented immigrant. And then bring them to the airport to deport him according to legal proceedings. That's okay. Maybe they can do that. Literally get rid of the whole agency. That's fine. We'll be too frankly. We've already compromised a little bit by making our demand to get out the streets of Minneapolis, but it is, it fits the offense. So it makes a certain amount of sense. Yeah, sure. I just think that's a starting point. I don't see any reason to do anything with the administration or to give them any power that they could take until at least that's the starting point. I have the Rokon, a list of things. Do you want me to go through that? But I just think what thing, yeah, before I get into the road, it was good. I thought they need to make clear that the Republicans, if they do not go alive, they're not getting the wealth to streets of Minneapolis, they are complicit. The Republicans in the Congress, not just the administration, they need to hang this around their neck and they need to attack them. They never do that. Of course, they are colleagues and they would be inappropriate in their appropriations to it together. So they'll attack Trump and Kristina Elm a little bit. You know, she's really bad. They won't say you, my Republican colleagues, sitting right next to me here, you are complicit. You're making this possible. If you deserve to Trump, we could get to 60 votes and end this occupation of Minneapolis. It's rather small number actually. You funded the murder. You funded the murder. You gave, you knew these guys were not going to be too long. Now you insisting on ongoing funding to keep this whole occupation and assault going. So I think really making clear it's the Republicans in Congress who are also complicit is important. That's my ranch on that. Correct. This was all predictable. We all said this was going to happen. That when they put 50, whatever it was, billions upon billions of dollars into ICE, the department funded more than any other with more money than the Israeli military. When they gave ICE all this money, everybody knew that ICE was going to try to staff up really quick and bring in a bunch of people who did not know how to do the job that they were tasked. We all saw this coming. Everybody warned about it and the Republicans did it anyway and they funded it and two people are dead. The Republicans funded the murders. They knew that this was a risk. They put no constraints. Congress can do things. They can put constraints and rules on the funding packages, on the budget packages to make sure that the people that were sending into the streets of American cities are respecting everybody's rights. Republicans, Democrats are otherwise and they didn't do it. So you're exactly right. They funded the murders. Here's Rokana's list of things. Vote no on DHS funding bill. Repeal the $75 billion in funding for ICE and qualify it immunity for ICE agents. Investigate and prosecute every single ICE agent who broke the law. Impeach no man Bondy and the Kavanaugh stops with racial profiling and end the militarization of ICE. Codify a use of force standards so courts can enforce the law against rogue ICE agents. Chair down and replace ICE with an agency that has actual oversight. I don't see any issues with any of those. That's what I would do too. That's a good. It's good. It's as much more serious as a matter of actual policy. It's as much more serious response to a real problem than sure we're sort of, you know, to if you think is a vaguely sound, tidy bit restrictive. I mean, I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it on a block of DHS funding. I mean, seven appalling Democrats voted for the DHS funding bill in the House, including Friend of the show Marie Gleuth and Campera, who has lost Friend of the show status officially over that vote. I've got some more people I want to yell at. Does that sound good? Excellent. Such as the Republicans that funded these murders. There's a bunch of donors and companies that are supporting Trump and enabling him and knew that this was going to be on the agenda. I want to mention just for specific, the 37 donors to Trump's ballroom, the inauguration donors were bad, okay? Because we all need to come. The ballroom donors, that happened after this and I'll start it. So they knew exactly what they were doing. And they decided it was more important to suck up to Trump and give them, you know, the Trump Memorial ballroom in DC than actually, I don't know, maybe support efforts to protect the rights of their own employees, torn to read through them. Altria Group, Amazon, Apple, Booz Allen, Caterpillar, Coinbase, Comcast, Hard Rock. Google, HP, Lockheed Martin, Metta, Micron Technology, Microsoft, Nexera, Palantir, Ripple, Reynolds American, T-Mobile, Tether, Union Pacific, the Adelson's, the Glazers, they own the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Harold Ham, some other individuals, Kelly Leffler, the Winkle Voss twins. All of those people are totally complicit in this. I've not heard from any of them. I don't know, maybe I'm missing it. People see something about a CEO of one of these companies, or one of Trump's big donors speaking out. I will gladly share it. I went to Tim Cook's feed, you know, his apple was on there. Tim Cook went to a screening of the Melania movie on Saturday night, after the murder. Tim Cook hung out with Trump and Melania, watched the movie, laughed, shared a rosé. I went to his feed. Here is his last post. Today, we honor Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy of service and his commitment to justice and his belief that every one of us has the power to make a difference. I guess Tim Cook doesn't think he has the power to make a difference, even though he's the CEO of one of the wealthiest, you know, most cash-files companies in world history. I don't know. Color me not really impressed with posts about someone's commitment to justice who died 60 years ago when you can't speak out at all when your fellow Americans are being killed in the streets. It's not just that you're not speaking out. You're funding the people that are doing it and partying with them in DC. So I'm sure at the White House Saturday night that Tim Cook took his moment with the president to sort of ask him to really rethink some of those policies and remove Stephen Miller and kind of stop being a horrible, nativist, racist, bigot and defender of violence and killing of our fellow Americans. That's just like you did that. I mean, a little awkward probably. Wouldn't it mood of the rosé as the rosé was being passed? But, you know, I'm sure you courageously said, took the moment to 60 seconds to say the right thing. You asked for people to send in as they saw any public statements. I'd like even like a reported account of any private sentiment being expressed ever, ever in the last year by any of these people to Trump not to do anything except of course for terrorists because they could hurt their business. That's different. Yeah, they do mention tariffs. I just pulled up a report about about the Melania screening. There were 70 guests in the East Room and imagine fucking showing up to the White House after that murder. It's just disgusting. It is despicable. I was enraged all day and imagine being like, you know what, I'm going to put on my student tie and go to the White House and sit here for this screening of a 104 minute documentary by Brett Ratner actually faced multiple sexual harassment allegations. But he's back in the good graces now. There's people who went there and could have Andy Jassy, Amazon, Eric Juan, Zoom and Lisa Sue, AMD. A military plan played Melania's waltz as guests entered glove waiters served commemorative popcorn boxes. Each guest received a free framed screening ticket. I would like to take a shit on one of those. This is just truly enraging the idea that these guys did this and that they're funding it and supporting it and saying nothing. They need to be made to feel like the cost of this behavior is worse than the cost of maddening Trump and having the tariffs tick up 5%. Because I think that it's probably worth playing chicken with him because Trump keeps stocking on the tariffs and he does actually care about the stock market going down. He doesn't care about people dying. And so I think the people should be encouraging the CEOs of any of those companies. Then anyway, you see fit. You're absolutely right. I'm sick of it. To show that like somewhere in the earth, somebody has a pulse and a soul. I do want to mention this person, Chris Medell. He was running for governor of Minnesota as a Republican. He's a lawyer. He was actually representing Jonathan Ross. Which is an interesting choice. I took the case pro bono, but he couldn't take it anymore after the weekend. He said, I can't look my daughters in the eye and San Bernard is a Republican. He dropped out of the race and said that what they're doing is they're targeting people based on their skin color. So it's possible. It's possible for someone to do this. We got made fun of it. It's fantasy politics to say that I don't know. Should maybe Susan Collins switch parties or refuse to pass the search. He's ahead of the appropriation committee. Should she resign? It's possible for somebody to resign out of principle. Chris Medell did it. He's the best we got right now. Some person in the Trump administration, some rapid resign. You know, there are a lot of political appointees, a lot of who could just say enough is enough to walk away. I emailed Susie Miles this weekend. This is the level of my age, rage. You and she go back to Jeb World or no? We go back to the John Huntsman campaign. The Huntsman campaign. She was my boss. She was my boss and the John Huntsman campaign. I emailed her when the administration started that we haven't spoken since. I emailed her, Talier, but I just, I just am unbelievably appalled and that I, the Susie, I knew it would be better than this. I know that does no good, but that's what I have. That's where my mental state is right now. That's good. That's good. Anybody that's got that sense email, please send that to me and I'll be happy to send him a few notes as well. I have a few thoughts for him. I have one more thing and then I just want to end about Alex pretty because the murder has gotten so much attention right. But the way that these guys are acting in the streets is just so far beyond what should be acceptable. A lot of this video this morning of a guy who's in his house, who's at his house on the stoop, I guess, and a bunch of ICE agents are harassing somebody in the street and he's shouting at them out into the street, right? Like, stop. Well, you're doing stops, I'm so stopped. And then agents come up to his house and he's going, I'm on my property. You can't come here. This is my property. I can yell at you on my property. And they don't. They run up. They tackle them and they say you're being arrested. This guy got arrested just for shouting from his own front porch. You know, there was another video that I saw this morning of these women. And it was unclear exactly what they were detained for. They said they were helping schools, kids at a bus drop off when there were ICE agents around. But they get put in the back of the ICE detention car and one of the agents has a seizure. And one of the women that they detained helps them and helps resuscitate them. And then they handcuff her again and still take her to the Whipple building. These are not just some random isolated incidents. This is not about, oh, local authorities aren't complying by handing over violent criminals to the administration. Like, throughout the city, they are just menacing, regular people and feel like they have total carte blanche to do it. And to me, I just think that just circles back to our whole conversation about what the required responses to us. And again, the extent which it goes to the top when JD Vance said absolute immunity to it three weeks ago. And they said, no, no, that's not quite legally right. It's qualified immunity, which is very incidentally too qualified. It's too hard to get people, federal officers charged are convicted of real crimes. But there is no absolute immunity. But he said it. And the truth is there is absolute immunity. The truth is this federal government is never, ever, ever going to charge any DHS ICE reported patrol agent with anything. Unless they don't go after someone. Then they'll be charged with I suppose, you know, failure to do that, that we fire and I suppose. But that is the definition of lawlessness. That is the definition of a dictatorship and authoritarianism. The government forces are above the law. They could use the law to go after you with fake charges, of course, impeding law enforcement. There's some vague federal statute. They always talk about that one. And then it turns out impeding is long a whistle or taking a photo or just being there, right? But they use the law when they want to, they can ignore the law when it suits them. That is not a free society. I want to talk about Alex Pretti. So his parents went out of the statement that I'm going to read him. We are heartbroken but also very angry. Alex wanted to make a difference in this world. Unfortunately, he'll not be with us to see his impact. I do not throw around the hero term lightly. However, his last thought and act was to protect a woman. The seconding lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting. Please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man. There's another thing all this way to the post. He writes, R.I.P. Alex Pretti, he is my dad's I.C. Uners. He read my dad's final salute at the VA after he passed away. I never wanted to share this video but his speech is very on point on a play. Today we remember that freedom is non-free. You have to work at it, nurture it, protect it, and even sacrifice for it. We never forget and always remember our brothers and sisters who have served so that we may enjoy the gift of freedom. So in this moment, we remember and give thanks for their dedication and selfless service to our nation in the cause of our freedom. In this solemn hour, we render our honor and our gratitude. We had his freedom snuffed out by the state, not in a foreign war or anywhere, but in the streets. I don't know. I don't know. Bill. Yeah, I don't know either. I mean, I quoted it this morning. We owe it to him. I think to really be serious about stopping this and stopping the whole thing from the top down. I really feel that the morals that we talk a lot of politics on this show and all the time and at the bull work and everyone else does too. And that's of course important and fine. You've got to have political ways to stop it, but the moral imperative to stop what's happening. I've never felt it more strongly. I think that today. Okay. We'll leave it there. Thank you, Bill. We'll be back tomorrow with another edition of the podcast. Obviously thoughts are without spreading this family. And by tomorrow's show, I'll come back with some stuff that everybody can do from an action-oriented standpoint. I should have done that today, but I'll have that for you tomorrow. All right. We'll see you all then. The board podcast is produced by Katie Cooper with Audio Engineering and Editing by Jason Bra.