PACKERS SQUAD SHOW: What’s the Packers’ Biggest Concern Heading Into 2026? | Draft Day Starters

Welcome in to the Locked On Packers Squad Show. I'm your host. My name is Brandon Sni. 2026 is shaping up to be one of the most pressurized seasons in Green Bay. And there are real red flags on this roster. That's the bad news. The good news though, the answers might already be in the building. I'm Jason Erskine of The Leap and The Beast is out. What did we learn from Dane Bruker's draft guide? I'm Jacob Westendorff from Packers On SI. And will the Packers have to alter their draft strategy to get some immediate contributors from this rookie class? I'm Peter Bikowski, host of Locked On Packers. And don't be surprised if the Packers do not pick at 50 Second overall on day two of the draft. Go, Pat. Go. It's the Packers Squad. Everything Green Bay Packers every week. Covering all the big hits and game-changing plays from Titletown. The way only the Locked On Podcast Network can. From the frozen tundra with all the cheeseheads, the Packers Squad Show starts now. 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We'll also take a closer look at Dane Bruegler's draft guide known as The Beast, breaking down the biggest surprises, both good and bad, and what it could mean for the Packers approach in the upcoming draft. But let us begin with a focus on this current Packers roster. And, Peter, I would love for you to kick us off tonight and we'll go around the horn from there. What is Mr. Bukowski's biggest red flag as it currently stands for this Green Bay Packers? And with that red flag, do you see a solution that the Packers can tackle it with via trade, free agency, or just simply a player stepping up? The biggest red flag for me right now with this roster is how are they going to stop the run on the interior? It is going to have to be slants and stunts and run blitzes and whatever they can do in free agency. If there's more free agents to come here, DJ Reader is still out there. Kaleas Campbell is still out there. We'll see what happens post June 1. Guys, I've said it on Locked On Packers for weeks now. I don't love this defensive tackle class. And I don't know that they're going to get someone in this class who can immediately step in. Maybe long term, maybe you're two, you're three. They find someone that can do that for them. Remember, the Eagles in 2022, as good as that team was, they traded up for Jordan Davis. He ended up playing like 30% of snaps that season. They needed to go out and sign and Dama Kinsu and Linvol Joseph just to be a passable run defense. So that is the interior defensive line spot is where I'm going. Man, I don't know if this is good enough right now. Jason, your biggest red flag for the Green Bay Packers as we enter the first wave of free agencies over there. Still a plethora of options when it comes to free agency. Obviously, we kind of teased it there and talked about it a little bit. The draft is upcoming for the Packers. What's the biggest red flag on this roster for you right now? It is that defensive line interior position. And Peter did hit on it. And I put in my notes, DJ Reader, as one of Peter's hobby horses, knowing full well that he was going to talk about it. You're in every day here, Jason. You know that. Absolutely. But I'm going to throw another potential solution that the Packers have available or at least might have available. And I wrote about it this week for the LEAP, TJ Slayton. Now, this is a player that the Packers let walk a year ago. And there was a lot of reasons that made sense for that. He had struggled relative to what he did before in an even front and actually wasn't that great last year for the Bengals defending the run, again, in an even front. But we've seen him play his best football in an on front when he's lining up more or less over the center. And there are reasons to think that the Bengals might be willing to let him go at the right price. You know, they added Jonathan Allen this year. They still have BJ Hill to anchor their run defense. And they have Chris Jenkins. They've spent other day two picks at that position. And they sold the draft coming up. So there's reason to think that maybe TJ Slayton is not part of plans in 2026. And the other part of this is he's not going to cost that much in a trade in terms of his contract. A post trade, it's around $6 million. That's something that the Packers could afford. There isn't a long history of the Packers requiring veteran players, but there's not none of it. I mean, James Jones in 2015 is probably the most famous example. They added Randall Cobb in 2021. And that was mostly a favorite to Aaron Rodgers, but it's a thing that they did. To a lesser degree, had Christian Welch, Corey Ballantyne last season. But I think the best analog and it's on the defense was Tramon Williams in 2019. They'd let him go at that point. I think a few years earlier, he was already approaching his mid 30s. And then cornerback became a need position. They just need someone in there to just give them essentially like an innings eater. And he was able to do it even though at that time, I think it was like 36, maybe 37. So TJ Slayton's that old. And he's someone who has very recently in a similar style front, similar style roll, performed very well against the run, which is allow the Packers to have a little more flexibility in the draft. And it wouldn't necessarily cost them a lot to acquire if he is indeed available. Jacob, it is Super Bowl or bust, right? Like this is the year the Packers, it feels like last year kind of was like a wasted year. And then, and not so much, you know, obviously what happened, you lose five straight games, but a lot of injuries for the Packers, not given them an out or an excuse. But does this year feel different? And is there a red flag on this roster that that you're taking your paid attention to? And is there a fix for that? Yeah, and the words are one of my favorite bands to tray you the time is now, time is now for them to win a championship. That is a that is the message that was sent. We all know that that's not, you know, that's not exactly breaking news. You trade two first round picks for a player. You're not saying, Oh, we can win four or five years down the road, it's pushing your chips to the center of the table. And the defensive tackle group, I think both of these guys touched on it really well. I think that's still the biggest concern on this roster, considering everything else just in the name of being different. The 2010 Super Bowl champion Green Bay Packers had Charles Woodson, Sam Shields and Tramon Williams in their cornerback class. Do any of these current corners in Green Bay have a prayer of seeing the field with any of those guys on that roster? Probably not. And and that is that's still that's still saying quite a bit about the 2010 group because Charles Woodson Hall of Famer for my money's worth the greatest defensive back to ever lace him up. Sam Shields was awesome as a rookie. A huge reason that defense was unlocked. He was kind of a skeleton key, if you will, for that defense along Woodson to play the slot. And Tramon Williams for all the fanfare that Woodson deservedly gets was the best cover corner on that team. This team, I don't know if this current version has a Sam Shields. Al Harris was on that team too before he tore up his knee. Yes, he got released before because Shields had like a one pick and a dropped pick game against the Cowboys or something like that. And the Packers ended up cutting him before he could even be active. I don't remember if they gave him a ring or not, but if they didn't, they should have. They did, if I recall correctly, they did. Okay, good. Good. He deserves one. But this team, I don't know if they have a Sam Shields, you know, for the guy who was the quote unquote worst of those three in the group right now. I'm somebody who likes Kishon Nixon more than the masses, but not as much as the Packers do. Carrington Valentine, I think is somebody Ross and Ross Oglem allows you in the group chats. Believe me, it's a difficult place on Sundays. There's there are times where that group gets muted and very, very quickly in some cases, but with Carrington Valentine, that's somebody who the Packers tried to bench like 17 different ways before the season ended. And then the Ravens game is still one of funny. He's not the right word, but one of the funniest things I've ever seen is like they benched Valentine for Hobbes. Hobbes hurts his knee. They bring Valentine back in for like a snap or two. They put Kamal Hadden in Kamal Hadden as a gruesome ankle injury. It was like he was the curse behind everything. If I didn't know better, I would think Valentine had a voodoo doll with the corners in front of him. It was just like breaking different random body parts in that given day, but they tried to bench him a bunch. St. Juice hasn't played here before. Don't know what it looks like. You know, he's a replacement level player, something like that. Right. So where do you, I'm not saying you got to find, because everybody's got this obsession with finding like when it was receiver and reseaers, is who's our Justin Jefferson? Well, Justin Jefferson's never want to play off game in Minnesota. And they've lost to Daniel Jones and the New York Giants the one time that they were in the playoff. So I'm not real worried about something like that. You don't need a Jair Alexander in his prime or Jair Alexander currently since apparently that is something that is making some given places. I don't get that myself, but you don't need Jair Alexander in his prime. You don't need, you know, Charles Woodson in his prime. You know, it doesn't need to be a Hall of Fame caliber player, but can you get somebody who is number one when the ball hits him in the hands, he catches it. That would be a really good start for just making some of those high variants kind of splash plays because the Packers defense last year, that was one of their biggest issues when Parsons was healthy was if it wasn't him sacking the quarterback, they were kind of allowing and they were content to play this style where, you know, we're going to bet you go 10, 12, 14 plays. And in that timeframe, Parsons is going to make a play. You're going to make a mistake or you're going to turn the ball over. Well, the Giants game, I think is a really good microcosm of that because Parsons made two plays, one on a fourth down, one at the end of the game, and they dropped about 17 interceptions throughout the course of them. It turns out that he's three or four himself. Right. And the only one they caught was Evan Williams at the end of the game. So, shout out to the Bourbon and the safety in that given case, but they need somebody who can, and I'm not saying he's got to start right away because we know how the Packers operate with some of these things, but is he somebody who, saving on Williams, for example, last year was like a force touches player, but if they had to ask him to play receiver, they didn't want to do that. You have to be willing to ask this player to play kind of early and in my opinion, it's somebody who none of those three guys I mentioned that are like passable players on the roster right now as corners should be set in stone penciled in there. No doubt starters, there's no competition. Like all three of those guys are fighting the jobs. Jason, I know you monitor these things closely. Is there a June one cut coming at corner that you think would make sense for the Packers? I don't. Now, there will be, I think, some names that fans might be able to go on to, but I don't think there's anyone who the Packers should have serious interest in that's in whatever. All the Genors Jenkins when he was absolute burnt toast. Yes. There could absolutely be a situation like that, or I mean, maybe that's it's going to be a June 1st cut, but maybe that's, you know, Trevon takes for some people. I know that he looked passable in the like de facto exhibition game to close the regular season. And maybe there is something there, but that's just not something I think the Packers are going to be interested at this point, unless it is after the draft, they did not answer enough for that group. And at least right now, that's something that they're not worried about because the draft is still two weeks away. A grand total of one snap in the playoffs, by the way, for if there's any question about what the Packers coaching that almost felt like a, we're always like, yeah, and we'll nod at Micah Parsons a little bit and say, sure, we'll try this and then cut him right away. I just, Micah Parsons is not the general manager and that's okay as we've seen in the, but you mentioned the Cobb acquisition just for one example. You don't want your players running your rear front office. That's not a good idea. Brandon, if Karringson and Valentine were just like a 45th percentile tackler, forget replacement level. Are we having the same conversation? No, and I was going to say, I'm more worried about the pass rush. I know, I think they married the second year. Obviously the defense in the second year was a lot better when you had a guy like Micah Parsons and the Ryan Garry in the early part of the season. And LVN, who I thought was off to a fantastic start before that foot injury on a sack, by the way, on Joe Flacco against Cincinnati. I'm more worried, you guys. I respect the answers, but I'm a little shocked that nobody brought up offensive line, the pass rush, like if we're three or four weeks in without Micah Parsons, where is the concern level? Now, we'll eventually get Micah, but we don't know what kind of version of Micah we will get coming off of an ACL injured. I always remind people there for as many Christian Watson recoveries with the ACL, there's also a few David Bakhtiari sprinkled along the way. We don't know yet what that recovery is going to look like for Micah Parsons. I wouldn't bet against them personally, but I'm just saying, after Micah, the drop off is a lot of unproven guys. Now, Baron Sorrell, I'm on the bandwagon. I'm fully hitched on to him, but he hasn't done anything. LVN had a good start last year, hasn't done anything. How do you guys make the secondary a little bit better? At least cover it up a little bit. You get to the quarterback a little bit quicker than normal. I'm worried about the pass rush. Nobody brought up the offensive line. Peter, I know you and I have talked about it at length, Sunday OT for lockdown Packers daily show subscriber, wherever you get your podcast. We think Jordan Morgan is going to be better at left tackle. We have a feeling he's going to be better at left tackle. Aaron Banks is getting money that he should be a lot better of a player than what we've seen. Is Anthony Belton going to improve or regress? Is Zach Tom healthy? Are we going to get Zach Tom by training camp? And if we don't, what does that position look like? I don't know if they have enough answers right now in the building for my concern level with the offensive line because it's just a lot of guys where we're like, I think like it could be like Jordan Morgan could be the first round or like we think he can be there. But how many times have we seen meaningful snaps at the left tackle position outside of preseason with Jordan Morgan protecting your $55 million a year quarterback in a real game? We haven't. I think like I think that is a reasonable concern to have. It is interesting to me though. And this is this is the way that fan brain works and I get it. But no one seems to be that concerned about Matthew Golden coming in and taking a bigger role with Romeo Dobbs out like everyone's just like, Oh, we'll just pencil in like Romeo Dobbs. What we saw was Peter. We saw him perform so much of a better player last year than Rashid Walker. Yeah. And the idea that Matthew Golden is just going to walk into those reps and be just as good. I'm not saying it's a pipe dream, but that is a much bigger leap of faith than Jordan Morgan giving you like above Walker level at left tackle to me. And yet it's being treated as a given with Matthew Golden and not with Jordan Morgan. I'm not saying we should do it with either. I'm just saying I have I personally have more confidence that Jordan Morgan is going to be better than Rashid Walker that I am. Matthew Golden is going to walk in and give to the Packers what Romeo Dobbs did last year. Now, I think they've got enough pass catchers that it's not that big a deal. A healthy Tucker Kraft alleviates a lot of that Christian Watson. If he's healthy, that alleviates a lot of that. And Jordan Love is just that good that I'm not that worried about it. But it's just it's funny that we like former first round pick. What why is it that different? It shouldn't be to me. Well, because we've seen Matthew Golden perform though. Jacob, I'll let you go in just a second. We've seen Matthew Golden execute in the biggest game of the year in the biggest moments and on the third and eight on the fourth and eight, you know, the touchdown which we thought was going to be eventually the game winner. We haven't seen I know right now. I know I hate to bring that up. But we just have it like that. So gives me a little bit more hope when it comes to Matthew Golden and Matthew Golden is not on an island. You know, Jordan Morgan is going to be on an island. Matthew Gold, there's going to be other receivers, as you mentioned. That's why my level of concern with Matthew Golden isn't there like it is for Jordan Morgan. Jacob, go ahead. Yeah. So here's the other point that I would get to. And this is also kind of a fan brain thing too. But like who was still on the board when Matthew Golden was picked last year in Green Bay? Does anybody can anybody answer that question? You know, reasonably be like, Oh, I wish they'd taken him. So who was still on the board when Jordan Morgan picked everybody on three? 123 Cooper did you? Everybody knows the answer, right? So I think that has something to do with it. I think in general, Offensive lineman has something to do with it unless he steps in and is Panacea like right away, then the assumption is just like, whatever, like, Oh, or when you're not the guy, I was having a conversation today, somebody still lamenting that Green Bay took Kenny Clark instead of Miles Jack, like, objectively, the right decision by the Packers and proven over wild. That's the well, Chris Jones. Like what is that? I got nothing. I got nothing on that. So I don't know what the what the situation with that is. But when your prior is people still talk about Jordan Love, like he's a make a wish kid that throws the ball with his left hand to opposing defenders on every other snap. Like, because he was the worst first round pick ever. Here's fans on this show. Not a bad point. But yeah, I mean, just because he was the worst first round pick ever, it'll take him until he wins a Super Bowl to shed that label in some people's minds. Like, and it was that way, even with Aaron Rodgers, yeah, like, it's not just a Jordan Love thing. Like that is an Aaron Rodgers thing. Why does it's funny because everybody now is lamenting that the Pittsburgh Steelers don't have a quarterback when they've taken oddly enough. It's because they're waiting on Aaron Rodgers. But when teams, everybody makes fun of the team who picks a quarterback when they don't need one. And then when another team doesn't pick one when they don't need one, and then now all of a sudden they need one. It's well, how did you mismanage that position so badly? So the the recency bias and the in the moment reactions, which are great. That's why you come and watch the show, right? But that's a big reason I think that a lot of people are kind of concerned with that. But I'm with you. There's some concern with Jordan Morgan. He's played one game at left tackle. Now I'll be, and I thought he played well against Minnesota and Brian Foras, who was not playing preseason football against that packers offense by any stretch of the imagination. Clayton Tune was drowning in that game. Yeah, I still think that's like a borderline felonious assault or something that now before I put Clayton Tune back there. But to each their own on that, I just think that Morgan is somebody who there's fair questions. Can he be, this is really what you're looking for, right? Is can he be Rashid Walker in 2024? As a de facto rookie left tackle, that's pretty damn good, right? If he's Rashid Walker in 2025, that's a guy that we thought was going to get $30 million coming into the season and he got five. Like that's how bad it was the second half of the entire season. So I'm interested to see what he can do. I do understand the question mark on it, but you know, I also think that the level of what is it that you're looking for that's okay? He's not going to be David Bakhtiar. Nobody is. Very few people were ever David Bakhtiar that have worn this uniform, but can he be passable? Remain didn't have passable left tackle play last year. So that's a massive improvement if he is. Let me propose this one. This is also something that I don't know if he's being talked enough about. We got a few minutes here. We'll go around the horn. Jason, you'll start us off. Is there not enough red flags going up with Matla floor right now? Like this off season was kind of weird for the Packers, right? The NFL owners meetings. He talks about guys not thrilled with their roles. Javon Boller does the interview with Ty Dunn. Ty Dunn does the interview with Mr. Bukowski. Get that podcast wherever you get audio podcasts also on YouTube. Make sure you subscribe. Like, are we not concerned at all with, with Matla floor? I mean, he's got a Yankees chain back at some point from Ben Johnson. I mean, the last lasting image we have of Matla floor is him getting sort of flexed on at midfield. Jason, is there no, are we just not worried about at all about that aspect of the Green Bay Packers heading into 2026? I think a lot of concern exists and you see it on social media. I'm sure you'll see it in the comments on this video, but at the same time, so much of this is narrative, right? Like if the Packers in the first game against the Bears look like they did for the majority of that playoff game, I don't think that there's going to be a lot of question at that point. And it's going to ultimately come down to the results. So whether or not Javon Bullard said what he said to Tyler Dunn or whether or not the Packers were more active or less active in the off season, it's those are those things with Matla floor and Brian Gouda guns. Those questions are going to primarily come down to what are the results in 2026. You don't like that from a, you know, if you're process oriented, that's not the best way to look at it, but in terms of the narrative and that's the thing that they're being assessed on right now, that's how those things will pivot. So there's only so much you can say about at this point, like the Packers have done most of what they're going to do in the off season, save for what they will do during the draft. And we might have a very different opinion of their off season in a few weeks based on what they do in the draft or what they don't do. So all this to me is just TBD. Peter, no concern with Matla floor going into 2026. The contract extension means he's good to go, right? Like there's there's nothing there. Look, I don't know concern. No, there's always a concern. Like I think Rams fans are like, you know, she shall McVay show me something again, he won a Super Bowl by like consensus, the best coach in the NFL. But guys, I don't know if you've like watched 49ers YouTube or like followed a 49ers content creator 49ers fans freak out about Kyle Shanahan freak out about him. And 28 other teams in the league would throw their mothers under a bus to have Kyle Shanahan be their head coach. That's just the way this works. And so yes, you're going to have some level of concern. Like the warriors were on a dynastic run and there were still warriors fans going, I don't know about Steve Curry. Why don't they run enough pick and roll with Steph Curry? Like there's always going to be smart Jackson's team, baby. It's Mark Jackson. Yeah, there's always going to be something to pick at. And so I just think on balance what Matla floor brings to this team. The offense is good every year. It was really good last year. What I like to see him be a little bit more passive. Yes, I would. What I like for him to not fumble his timeouts every time what I love in a playoff game to not get a delay of game because you can't get a freaking call in after you called time out to get the right play in. Yes, I would like those things to not exist. But like Bill Belichick was getting kicked go things wrong consistently. He's the greatest coach ever. There's always something to go. I don't know about that. Jacob, your final thoughts, Matla floor, red flag, no red flag, any concern? Yeah, there are. I mean, winners write the winners write history, right? That's that's kind of the way this works. And unfortunately, like you said, when you're it doesn't matter how many regular season games you win ultimately in green bet, like Andy Reed, you know, you guys were talking about all these guys Andy Reed got fired in Philadelphia, the Eagles were awful before Andy Reed got there awful, like really bad before Andy Reed got there. He resurrected them got him to four straight NFC title games, got him into a Super Bowl, they damn near beat Tom Brady and it so on and so forth. And they fired him. No questions asked when it came time for for him to do so. And it was because of Tony Dungey and Tampa Bay is another good one. That's why they traded for John Gruden, which is still crazy to me looking back on that trade. If like I wonder if anybody would trade that package anything close for what, McVeigh, somebody like that. But I don't know, that's a different question for I think they might depending on who it is, what team it is that is, but to finish the point, like if winners write the history, Matt LaFleur and his team is not just him, like Matt LaFleur is not the one not blocking a gaps, not the one not blocking Austin Booker, not the one doing XYZ. You know, all of those things that happened throughout those last few games. However, you know, what's the old Harry Truman thing, the buck stops here, you're the head coach, you know, and at some point that five game losing streak does reflect on you. And if it doesn't reflect on him at some point, it's going to reflect on the quarterback, it's going to reflect on the general manager, something like that. I think the biggest issue facing LaFleur right now is I think the general consensus and it's hard to gather that, but the general consensus is Green Bay's roster is talented enough to win a Super Bowl right now. I do think that's true. And I do think that they were talented enough and good enough to beat Chicago straight up. And they were talented enough and good enough, certainly to beat Chicago with a 21 to three lead that they were spotted. You don't do any of those things over a period of time. Eventually, the question of have they plateaued, is this their North Turner and they need to find Marty Schottenheimer that didn't work either, but, or is this Tony Dungey, they need to find John Gruden, is this Andy Reed, they need to find Doug Peterson, you know, whatever example it is, do they need somebody to shove them over the top? He's hearing that out loud. He gave me the shivers. Like why in retrospect, it seems insane that you would need to replace Andy Reed to get Doug Peterson in a Super Bowl, but that is, that is how it played out. That's why this is, that's why some of this stuff is just kind of like funny business. Like, does anyone think Nick Siriani has been to two Super Bowls as a better coach than Matlab Floor? No. So sometimes you just need a little bit of luck and look, Tucker Kraft, I respect the hell out of Tucker Kraft saying like, I hate to be the excuses guy, but like, we just need to be healthy. And that's like, that's true. If Tucker Kraft and Micah Parsons had played down the stretch, the Packers probably would have been hosting Chicago and they would have had a good chance to win the Super Bowl. So some of it is just, is just, you know, the way, the way that it plays out and that doesn't make for a sterling analysis. But that's the reality of sports. This is, this is the ultimate small sample size with this stuff. No doubt about it. A lot of pressure on the Green Bay Packers heading into 2026 and the NFL draft. They can get some help in the draft. That's two weeks away. We'll dive in to Dane Brugler's The Beast, the biggest draft guide out there. 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You can check it out by tapping the Everyday Air Club link in the show notes. Thank you for making Lockdown Packers your first listen of the day. Thank you for making Lockdown the number one sports podcast network. Gentlemen, we are 14 days away from the NFL draft. I know the Packers don't have a pick in round one as of now could change, but I doubt it. But the Packers as of right now don't have a round one pick. Jacob, this is the most comprehensive NFL draft guide I have ever seen. When Jason brought this up in the group chat, actually, we're going to pull the curtains back a little bit and give you a behind the scenes look at the Lockdown Packers squad show group chat. He said, let's talk about the beast. I'm not going to lie, Jason. I Googled it and I'm like, is this a TV show that I'm not paying attention to? I honest to God, hand up had no clue that it was referred to as the beast. Then Jason goes, let me know if you need a copy. I said I do. Quite honestly, didn't know what it was 10 minutes ago. So yes, I clearly need a copy. You give me a copy. 629 pages. And I get it why it's called the beast, that there's a lot of beauty in it. Jacob, let's talk about it. You read through it. What stood out to you? Any surprises? Good, bad, ugly? What did you take away from the biggest, the most comprehensive NFL draft guide out there? Yeah, first of all, I am awful pawns as Peter's job, not yours. So I am not going to let that beauty in the beast reference. I'm hanging out with him too much. I'm spending too much time with Peter. Yeah, I love him, but you can pick it up. My goodness. Anyways, yeah. So first thing, just kind of a first scroll. The one thing that was a little surprising and I had wondered, Jermaine McCoy, the cornerback from Tennessee hasn't played football since like Vietnam, like it's been quite some time for something like that. And as an ACL injury down in the dirt, you know, like 500 days or something like that is what it's going to be by the time training camp hits this year. That is a long time. And maybe like again, maybe as somebody who has followed the Packers since that David Bakhti, already injury, like, but that gives me severe PTSD. And Dave Brogler has them right second as his first corner behind Mansour Delaney from LSU. So that was a little surprising to me. I think if any Packer fan is dreaming of Chris Johnson, Johnson's ranked third on this cornerback list, I'm sure we'll talk about him more at some point. But I am going to be if I were one to place wagers and I am not, but if I were, I would be betting on him as a first round pick. Go to Fandall and do it. Fandall is the best place to do it. Play your game. Sure. Yeah, if that's if that's where we need to go to pay the bills here, that's great too. The other thing a little surprising just on the edge rusher side of things, Peter talked about the defensive tackles and I'm sure we'll get to it at some point is like all the top guys are either like going to be picked before Green Bay has them doesn't fit what they usually want or have like an injury list as long as a CDS receipt. So none of those things are too comforting if you're looking for a plug and play starter at defensive tackle. But I seem like recently that some of the buzz on the internet is that Malachi Lawrence is like talked about in, you know, this same not the same echelon is like Reuben Bain and Arbel Reese or like some of these, I mean, you know, however, those top top guys are going to go. But it sounded like somebody who couldn't be picked, you know, anywhere between 30 and 50. And he's ranked seventh on this list. He's behind guys like Keldrick Falk and players like that who I think I could see an NFL team like the New England Patriots or a team like that with someone like Mike variable or a coach Dan Campbell, a coach similar to that who like loves that toughness, nastiness, all that kind of stuff for those things. I'm gonna kind of coach that guy into what he's going to be. But just a little surprise to see him rank towards the bottom of this top 10 list that he has for for everything like that. But those were a few things just at the positions of need that kind of stood out for Green Bay. The other one and the final one just on offense is that Brian Parker, Brian Parker is a guy, it's not quite the Zach Tom where we went into that draft class right before Brandon's wedding and we're like, we don't even need to watch the fourth round because we know Zach Tom is going to be Green Bay's pick when he's on the board just right it in now. It's not quite that because Parker played right tackle instead of left tackle, which you know, Tom kind of moved all over the place when he was at Wake Forest, but it's not quite the perfect fit like that. But he's somebody we're like, if Green Bay picks him on day three years, kind of kid, that makes perfect sense. Like something like that. So, you know, him being ranked sixth among centers in a class that I've seen conflicting reports and like what people think on everything like that. I'm not sure what the general consensus is on, is this a good center class? Is this not a good one? I think Gudekanst kind of told you what he thought of it because they have plugged and played rookies at center twice in the what the last decade. Corey Lindsley was going to be the starter at center and then he got injured and him and JC Treader kind of played musical chairs before they landed on him and Josh Myers was plugging go from the first day of OTAs and camp. So those were just a few things that kind of stood out on that. So I'm curious to see how Green Bay attacks it. And we're ultimately like, I think the biggest thing of like draft analysis that is always funny to me is what do the teams think? Because the draft class that Lit Peters mentions in this entire show on fire was the Jordan Love draft class, right? And that was the quote unquote historic receivers class. And somebody asked Goody about it after that draft was over and he was kind of like, no, I didn't really buy that. Like, that's always kind of interesting too to see like, where do these teams think that this class, where the classes strengths are and everything like that? I think that Brian Gudekanst line was a little bit of COA. Probably, yeah. But like, they did want to receiver that class. Like, they wanted to receive it. Yeah, it's just once like Claypool and Pittman were gone. They said, and Peter King, I remember, did the reporting and he was just like, yeah, the pack and Brian, because I think set on the record, we felt like at a certain point, none of these guys were going to beat out anybody in our room. And Peter King mentioned they were trying to trade up in round two for two receivers. He did not mention them. Everyone has sort of assumed it's been Chase Claypool and Michael Pittman. They eventually try to trade again for Chase Claypool, which is something they do all the time. Jason, I know you are chanting at the bit to dig into this because this was this was your idea. I have a couple names that I'd like to offer as well. Please throw me what you got. So I looked at the beast from like an overarching perspective, just because it's so much. Bruegler talks to more scouts and more team representatives than almost anyone else in like the NFL draft space. So these are his opinions, but they are informed by a lot of the discussions he's had with people of real stakes in the outcome of the draft. So and I know this was mentioned on the last squad show, and I think Peter mentioned this on one of his more recent like solo lock on Packers episodes. But we've mentioned that like the pre draft visits the Packers have has been about like half draftable guys based on consensus about half undraftable or UDFA guys. And Bruegler's draft guy does not see it that way, at least based on what we know about the Packers pre draft visits right now. And again, like we learn a few new names seemingly every other day. But right now, 11 of the pre draft visits have at least a fringe draftable grade only five with non draftable grades according to Bruegler's draft guy. That is a very different breakdown than we were talking about as recently as a few days ago. So that is necessarily mean that these visits are like a couple of those names that are approaching that are draftable that that we thought were not. Yeah, it's it means that like some of these guys aren't just potential, you know, guys that will look to sign right after draft. These are guys that might end up being like surprise fifth round pick like not that the player will necessarily turn out this way. But like when Jacob Monk was drafted, I think it raised a lot of eyebrows or when like Evan Williams and a more positive like going in the fourth round that raised a lot of eyebrows. This could be the indicator that the Packers looking at these guys on day three as being, you know, real actual contributors early in those rookie contracts. There were there that's interesting insight and I'm glad you brought that up. There were a couple names that that we've been connected connecting to the Packers, one in particular that just absolutely jumped out on me in these in the big board rankings. And that was Dazon Stribbling from from Ole Miss. He threw this whole process is being talked about. And I think if you look at like Todd McShay's big board, he's got Stribbling at like 117 or something. I was just I was just I just had it in front of me. But as clearly a round four kind of player, yeah, 110. Dane Brueger has him at 67. That puts him squarely in the second round and so at least squarely on day two. And so that that one jumped out to me. I was like, whoa, wait a second. And that to me, because he was much higher than I don't think Stribbling was in Dane Brueger's last top 100. That to me to Jason's point is he's hearing from NFL teams. We love this guy. And so he's having to push that guy up the board. And so that was someone we thought, Hey, you know, the Packers, they could get a DT, a cornerback on day two, come out in the fourth round and you grab Dejan Stribbling and you have a guy who could come in and give you real snaps. It doesn't seem like a guy like that is going to be there. That's the thing. And so these, these are the interesting conversations to be have another another name is Kyle Lewis 75 on the big board here. He is, he is the name that I have circled bolded highlighted. I just from the moment I watched him, I went, I see Josh Jones, I see the I see the vision of what they thought Josh Jones could be for the Packers. They use a second round pick on that guy. And so even even understanding, he's not a quote unquote starter as of this moment. He's an undersized linebacker safety hybrid kind of player. Well, if you're going to play a bunch of dime, which the bills did last year and the Cardinals did last year, that's the kind of player you need. You need those types of versatile pieces. And one of the first draft shows we did unlocked on Packers was talking about how Brian Goodkins is not going to change the scouting system for a different defense, but they might change the way they prioritize certain positions and certain body types. And so this that that is a name to me where I'm like, okay, 75 like it would be a little it would be a little, you know, out of the blue a little bit. But if he's there at 84, I mean, I think that he could absolutely be the pick there. The NFL draft two weeks away, a lot of names being tossed around certainly off of the beast off of Dane Bruegler's draft guy. But what are realistic names for the Green Bay Packers in round two in round three in round four, can they be drafted in Green Bay and can they make immediate impacts with this roster in 2026? We'll examine that next coming up on the Lockdown Packer Squad Show. Today's Lockdown Packer Squad Show is brought to you by TurboTax. 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Thank you for making Lockdown the number one sports podcast network. Don't forget to check out the Everyday Air Club for ad free episodes. And you get access to a group chat with Peter Bukowski and other listeners of the Daily Lockdown Packers show. Tap the link in the show notes or you can head to LockdownPackers.supercast.com. Gentlemen, two weeks away from round one of the NFL draft, Jason, I want to start with you. There are holes. There are concerns. There are red flags. We talked about it at the beginning of the show. If you missed that, go back and check out what was said in regards to our biggest red flags heading in to the 2026 season. Any names out there in round two, in round three, in name four that you think are realistic options for the Packers and not just to be drafted in Green Bay by Brian Gunnickins, also in Everyday Air of the show, but also making an immediate impact with this roster in 2026. So there were two names for this that stuck out to me, one of which we have talked about in the show. Another one I don't think we've talked a lot about period as it pertains to the Packers and I'm going to focus on him first. Illinois Defensive Ender, like Edge Defender, gay backers. Now, he's a name that I think most people follow the draft are familiar with because he's one of the more well-rounded, like top 100 defensive ends or edge defenders, but he doesn't get attached to Green Bay as much because he does have at this point somewhat of an athletic profile, but he didn't do a lot of stuff at the combine. But he does actually, from what we can tell, check a lot of boxes for them. Like, you know, he had a mid-4-6-40 at his pro day. The RAS we have for him is like well in the nine range, but I think what's more interesting is that he fits a lot of what the Packers like size-wise, like 6'4", 260 pounds. He's got not super, super long arms, but like more than long enough, like this is not a Reuben Bain situation. He's still really young, he'll be 21 on draft day. And then this is the key. Very productive throughout his time in college and he was productive early. First two seasons, he's four sacks each for college production. That's pretty good, especially for like a true freshman and a true sophomore. Those numbers go up to eight and then 11 this past season. And the TFL numbers also like kind of the same trajectory. And if you watch those teams, because you go back far enough, like he was playing with other really good players like Johnny Newton was on that defensive line, but there were not just a few times, there were like stretches of games where despite how good Newton was, you could have made a very compelling argument that Gabe Ackes was the guy actually moving the needle for that pass rush. He moves around a fair amount, like he's actually already used to playing in a two-point stance. They lined him up on the interior two at times. He's put like a little bit as like an off-ball line. Not a lot, but enough where you could feel like the Packers can move him around, especially given what they will probably do with those guys under Jonathan Gannon, plenty of experience. And then this is the key impact. We already know that Micah Parsons is likely to miss a certain number of games at the beginning of the season. So that could, he could help out there. But I think he could help out even more once they have the full cavalry involved. Like he can kick inside as we just discussed. He can move and actually rush the passer from like an off-ball linebacker position. He has enough flexibility to do that. Once he's in open space, he doesn't look like one of those like bulky defensive linemen. Like he looks like fluid, like a running back in some cases. That's how good of a mover he is. So look at all those things and you say like, is this guy who could help when they don't Micah Parsons? Absolutely. Is this someone who you could help when they have Micah Parsons back when presumably Lucas Van Ness is there? When all those guys are those like dark throes at the position are around, I think that he could improve that group and make an impact as early as week one. And he's someone who'll be right in there like that round two, round three discussion. I think that that's someone that's, you know, depending on what they might learn from him in the draft process, could be a real consideration for them as early as their top pick. And the other thing that I'll throw out here, we discussed in Caleb Proctor, it took me a while to kind of figure out how I should really think of him, how I should frame him. And it finally made sense when I was reading the beast. Now this is not what he put in the beast, but this is a guy who I did not realize had not played defensive tackle in high school and had to move positions. And it finally clicked. This guy can be a lot like Henry Melton. If you remember him, the defensive tackle with the bears. And, you know, Melton didn't come into the NFL at the same like size in terms of weight that Proctor is right now. He eventually got like 280, 290 range where Proctor is, but plays the game in a lot of the same ways. Like he's never going to be a particularly sturdy run defender. But he got to the point where he was good enough that they were able to start him and play him meaningful snaps. And then as a passers-by like slasher, get in the backfield, really, really good in that regard. And for a guy who's going to be there, we think round three, maybe round four, like that's really the kind of upside shot you could see the Packers take. Jacob, you know how much I love NDSU wide receiver. So please tell me, Bryce Lance fits into that mold for the Packers in round two or round three. We both know where we were when Christian Watson was selected. So who do you got for the Packers that, that are realistic options in those rounds two, three and four that you think can instantly come to Green Bay and be, and be, not necessarily a difference maker, but can contribute right away. Yeah. So I think Lance fits just to answer your question specifically fits like what they would be looking for that spot. But when you're talking about instant impact, there's two things that have to happen in that way. There has to be a clear path to the field. Number one or number two, this guy has to come into camp and just be the best player on the field. No questions asked. And honestly, sometimes even that's not good enough because last year in training camp, just for example, Matthew Golden was getting rookie of the year prognostications. He should start, he's their best receiver already type stuff. And that's from people that were there, not fantasy football players, wish casting or anything to that sort. So with receiver, that path doesn't exist, right? Like you come in right now and you know, or at least you feel like, you know, Christian Watson is going to play, Jaden Reed is going to play, they've got Wix, and they've got Matthew Golden, who I just mentioned as well, and that doesn't account for Xavier Williams and Skymore and so on and so forth. So that path doesn't exist. The path really to the playing early is at defensive tackle and it's a cornerback and it's a pass rusher. So Jason mentioned the pass rusher. You talk about defensive tackles. They had Kristen Miller on that visit the other day. I did not realize his injury history was what it was. So that was probably just as much a part of that conversation as it is. Trying to get to know him a little better and potential draft interest. I mean, as far as defensive tackles go, he's one of the best ones in this class. He could certainly play immediately. I mean, unless there's medical stuff that we, you know, can't quite figure out because we don't have access to the reports, I don't know that he's going to be available at pick number 52. Other guys that kind of fit in that same mold, Caleb Banks is kind of like the name now where it sounds like he could go 20, he could go 60, like anywhere in that timeframe. And would Brian Gouda-Konston, the Packers who have almost never done stuff like that in their timeframe, take that role of the dice on, hey, he's a first-round pick if he wasn't injured or if he didn't have this injury history, would he be the one who rolls the dice on those spots? So that defensive tackle group, Peter talked about big citrus enough today. So if you want to check out his stuff like that. But I mean, Darryl Jackson out of Florida State, he was a shrine bowl guy, the people I know there have spoken very highly of him. And whether you like this defensive tackle class or not, I'm kind of loop warm on it myself. But that is a path to finding your way onto the field because good defensive tackles that Green Bay has, it's Hargrave, you hope, and Devante Wyatt when he's healthy. And then after that, I think everybody else is kind of scrounging for a seat at the table, so to speak. So cornerback, there's a lot of Chris Johnson buzz today. I think it was Justin Mello from NFL Draft on SI shout out that said that the Packers have zoom or tried to zoom with them like two or three different times. If Green Bay were to try, Peter, you said before the show started, don't be surprised if the Packers don't pick at 52. What way did you mean up or down? Yes. When it comes to up, I think not to spoil Peter's point, but yeah, he's got to be right. Like I mean, the question just becomes and I've used the Christian Watson example that was pick 53 and pick 59 to move up to 34. Now, again, you may have gotten a Packers tax on that because they did trade with Minnesota, if I remember correctly, to do that after trying to do so the night before to get back to 32. All of that kind of encompassing. Preferred to give a safety that Louis scene who basically never played football for them. Well, they didn't want the fifth year option eligibility as well. Which yeah, that's a whole he got anyway. Yeah, right. So the question then becomes is would Green Bay trade 52, 84 and maybe another pick, whether it's this year or next year, to move up that far to go get him. And then the other part of that obviously is well, Chris Johnson even be available at that given point. But if he were, that is a to me, you know, I don't like to use the term plug and play starter when it comes to a rookie, but especially corners, especially corners, but he's a, he's a plug and play kind of starter in on this defense with some of the guys that Green Bay already has. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if he has like that training camp where you're just kind of like Green Bay, I guess, hasn't had, I was going to say the Casey Hayward camp, but that was the other way. He was like so bad in training camp. Everybody thought like, Oh my God, they picked like the worst player ever. And then he was the runner up for rookie of the year. So I'll just kind of be monitoring that situation. Where do they pick a corner? How many corners do they pick? And then are those guys kind of able to find their ways? But those are the two spots to toss an edge as well, that there's got to be a path to getting on the field to make an impact with another small shout out, I guess, to running back, but in Green Bay specifically, they want to, if they run the ball 40 times, they want Josh Jacobs carrying 30 of those. So that's kind of hard to find an impact from that player. Even though I think they wouldn't be interested in one that early. Peter, you've been covering it. Take the Rich Hill trade chart one on 52 and 84 gets you to, it's like 37 and a half in terms of picks. So if Chris Johnson falls into the late 30s, they would be able to package both of their day two picks up and get him if that is, if that is something that they wanted to fall into the 40s, of course, it would take less to go up and get him. I would push back, Jacob, about running back. I think they wanted Marshawn Lloyd to be on the field and he couldn't be. And they used a second round pick on AJ Dillon and the wisdom of that pick notwithstanding, they had Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams on that team already and they knew they were probably going to pay Aaron Jones. So they used a second round pick on a guy that they thought was likely going to be on his rookie contract running back to, and so I, and Marshawn Lloyd was a third round pick. They've used premium draft assets there before. I don't think like, it seems like Mike Washington Jr., who is RB3 by consensus in this draft. If you look at the beast, if you look at Todd McShay's rankings, he's, he had, he had, if you like, if he was a stock, he peaked right after the combine when he tested as the most athletic size, speed athlete, basically ever at the running back position. He's back in the nineties now, borderline top 100 player. So that makes you think, okay, if, if they're, if they're going to do that, 84 would probably be a little rich, but where the Packers took AJ Dillon was also considered about a round too rich for him too. I think that they would see that as something like, what, what can we expect from Marshawn Lloyd? Why do we have any reason to believe he's ever going to be on the field and Chris Brooks got a contract that says, Hey, Chris, um, protect on third down and play some special teams. Like that's the contract. They want and need. And we can cut you if we want to, by the way, they want and need a player that could compliment Josh Jacobs because don't remember, or don't forget, please remember, uh, that next year, Josh Jacobs might not be on this football team. So it could be that they are, they are picking a year in advance, which is always what they do, um, for RB one, which would not be surprising if someone like a Jadarian price is there at 52, would that be insane? I'm just saying it would be insane for them to do it considering what everything else is on the roster for what they've done in the past. The AJ Dillon picket is perfect for your example of, yeah, not only was like you said, the plan was for AJ Dillon to be RB two through his entire rookie contract. The plan was basically to not play his rookie season. And he essentially did not until that season ended. Uh, when Jamal Williams was banged up at the end of the year and Jones was banged a little bit as well. And he had that big night against the Titans and that was kind of like the, Oh, okay, this guy's pretty good. Or at least he looked like he was pretty good at that point. Nothing, the Packers do surprises me anymore. I think that's the, the funnest part of, of this whole process is I don't think there's anything you could say, Oh, they'll never do that because I think they'll never do that. Honestly, died when they took Jordan Love and traded up to do so, but then they took linebackers and old defensive tackles and receivers and, and running backs when they already had two under the roster and all that. And they traded two first round picks for Micah Parsons. And they did all that. Signed a 30 year old, breaking news. Signed a 30 year old. I mean, I, I just don't think there's anything left that you could say like, Oh, they'll never do it, which from this side of things makes things really fun because it is kind of expect the unexpected. It's, it's a lot less fun when you could just pencil in, okay, Green Bay's picking 27th, they're picking a defensive tackle, plug it in, let's move on until the second round, see what happens. I can't believe they have a better, Illinois alum get away with being a Homer and picking an Illinois player as the, as the name to watch. I can't believe that just went totally uncommented on. I went 48 hours prior to, I thought he was a Syracuse alum until 48 hours ago. But I should have known better because he never told me he went to Syracuse and that's exactly how you know anybody went to Syracuse. People are not like Ivy League. Northwestern. Come on. There's a cool mall in Syracuse. I will say Peter, do you think there's a better chance they're destiny USA, I think, right? Is that it? Yeah. Do you think there's a better chance they trade up or trade back because seven draft picks right now for the Packers, which is, No, so this is what I mean. I think there are one or two players, and I think Chris Johnson is one of those players. If he falls into the 40s, they would consider getting aggressive. I think given the shape of this draft right now, trade down is, is, is absolutely on the table here. And I've been saying this on the show and, and, you know, I've, it's not, you know, novel. A lot of people have talked about how the difference between the 20th player on the board this year and the 75th player, like that band is wide every year. It's, it's huge this year. It is enormous this year. And so, like we didn't think anyone was going to trade up for Isaac Tesla. And then someone did. And so there are going to be guys that we think are going to go in round four. Like Dejan Shribling is a great example of this. Like if the beast doesn't come out, if, if Dane Bruegler just decides he's going to go, you know, sit on a beach somewhere for the rest of his life, we, we do not see that. And if he goes in the second round, we go, whoa, what the hell is going on here? But that's, that, I think that's going to happen a lot on this draft. And that's why I could see someone, Hey, we're, we fell in love with, you know, Ted Hurst or one of these receivers. Let's go up and get them. Or we fell in love with Zion Young and he's available. Let's go up and get him. And the Packers can move down, add some picks in the range where this draft is the hardiest. And I think that that is from like 50 to 140. That's a huge band. If you could pick up another pick in there, I think that would be really valuable for the Packers. I love the shout out by Jason of Caleb Proctor. He's someone, someone's going to have to explain to me how he's not a top 100 player like watch him against LSU. He was the best player on the field when Southeast Louisiana was, was on the field. He was the best player on the field against LSU. Like what are we talking about? He's a good football player. And I think he would be a damn good Green Bay Packer. Great stuff. As always from all three of you guys getting excited for the NFL draft two weeks. Let's go. Make sure you tune in. Goody's guys with Peter Bukowski all week long on the Lockdown Packers daily show. Make sure you tune in, get caught up on what more of these guys could be for the Green Bay Packers. 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