REDEMPTION THROUGH LAW: THE VETERAN FIGHTING FOR SECOND CHANCES || DANIELLE SKRANAK || EPISODE 063

I help convicted felons restore their civil liberties. Those liberties include the ability to vote, to run for office, and to have firearms. Those are the three major things that people lose once they become a convicted felon, unfortunately. In 2022, Arizona made this new law where if you are a one-time felony conviction, then you can have your rights automatically restored. Doesn't it include your gun rights? So you'll stop to petition for that separately. But if you just have one, you can get them back. If you have more than one, you still have to petition through the state to get it back. And the look at your record, see if you've committed any more felonies if you've been a positive influence in your community to see if they will approve your application. When you say you help restore convicted felons' rights as a matter of what crime they committed, it does. OK, can you kind of elaborate on that? There's a different classes of felonies. You have your kind of like classless felonies, people who have got a DUI, or they've done something kind of off the wall, that land of them a conviction. There's also dangerous ones, which are those who usually it involves another weapon. And those ones are very much more stringent on who can get their application approved with those. Because normally if your firearm rights were stored and you committed a felony with the weapon, it is not going to be as lenient as they would be with a DUI. Listen, Danielle, I need to vote for the 48th president. We were there maybe. Like, I want to be able to get my voice heard. What's the steps and procedure that you would take? What's the first thing we're going to go through? The cold, too-winning insights you need today to seize the world tomorrow. This is, again, a very unique interview. Having an amazing guest in the studio with us. We are still in the amazing state of Arizona, the 48th state. We're going to have an expert criminal law paralegal, the company that she has started and founded as well. Veteran founded, Justin Driven committed to restoring your rights with honor and precision. Amazing guests. I want to make sure I like these Czech Scandinavian last names. It's going to be Danielle Skranek in the studio. Welcome. Thank you very much. Hi, nice to meet you. Thank you so much for having me. Awesome stuff. I was, like I said, I'm very fascinated to learn. I love legal aspect of things. It's also very important that people get to understand what are their rights. Because for the most part, people don't even understand what they can do, what they're entitled to, knowing what they're entitled to, like, the right to having as well. Can you give us a brief overview of exactly what you do and what your firm or company stands for? Yeah, absolutely. I help convicted felons restore their civil liberties. Those liberties include the ability to vote, to run for office, and to have firearms. Those are the three major things that people lose once they become a convicted felon, unfortunately. Then why would they not go to an attorney? What is it that you guys do that's a little bit more unique and different? Well, you're always welcome to consult an attorney, but it's just really unnecessary. This is such a cut and dry situation that you can have a paralegal or licensed document prepare, which I'm both help you fill out the paperwork and restore your rights at a much more affordable cost. And I noticed as well, I think we spoke about it earlier on. Usually, like in swing states, depending on where things were, there were cases where many people were not allowed. I thought as a citizen, not a green cop, as an actual citizen, I was under the impression that every single person is entitled to vote. So if you have a felony, you can't vote at all. Correct. The day you're convicted, it has gone away. Yeah. Can it be restored or how does that work? Yeah, it can absolutely be restored. So in 2022, Arizona made this new law where if you are a one-time felony conviction, then you can have your rights automatically restored. Doesn't it include your gun rights? So you'll stop the petition for that separately. But if you just have one, you can get them back. If you have more than one, you still have to petition through the state to get it back. And they'll look at your record, see if you've committed any more felonies, if you've been a positive influence in your community to see if they will approve your application. And then how many cases? I mean, obviously, it's very nuanced, but how many cases is a case-by-case situation they look into certain stuff, right? What's taken into consideration regarding that? Just if you've been employed, if you've started a family, if you've just not, they just want to make sure that you're not going to reaffend. That's their biggest concern is they don't want to take it away again, and then you have to apply. They don't want them back and forth. They really want to restore their rights for individuals who went to prison, served their time, paid their restitution, and have since lived a better life. But does it also matter which, when you say you help restore convicted felons' rights as it matter what crime they committed? Yes. Okay, can you elaborate on that? There's a different classes of felonies. You have your kind of classless felonies, people who have, I don't know, got a DUI, or they've done something off the wall that landed them in conviction. There's also dangerous ones, which is those who usually it involves another weapon. And those ones are very much more stringent on who can get their application approved with those. Because normally, if you're applying to have your weapons restored, your fire arm rights restored, and you committed a felony with the weapon, the court is not going to be as lenient as they would be with a DUI. Okay. And in most cases, it's kind of a solid no across the board. There's a list of them. If you committed murder, if you raped a child, if you did a drive-by shooting, those ones are usually ones where they say no. And that's understandable, right? 100%, 100%. And so the whole DUI thing, the reason why, I mean, I don't drink alcohol, but at the same time, I feel like crimes are different. So it's hard to rejude somebody who perhaps took a few sips, a few ounces of alcohol driving down like a 48th state. Or you know what? And then somebody that murdered or killed the family or killed somebody. Right. But the fact that felon is a felon, you know what I'm saying? So it's hard. So how do you walk somebody through the process? So let's say now I have done that. I was caught, I drove down from Phoenix to May, so whatever it may be. And I got caught. And now I have a DUI. Do you serve jail for that sometimes? You're depending on the situation. Yeah, depends on the situation. We're a zero tolerance state. We are one of the worst states in the country when it comes to DUIs. So we're much harsher on our penalties here for sure. So it's a possibility. I know dozens of people who have a DUI, where it's an aggravated DUI, and they did serve time. They also had to pay thousands of dollars for a lawyer and had to pay thousands of dollars for court fees and tend to mad classes, mothers against destructive driving. Those are kind of mandatory in our state now too, for I think almost every DUI. But yeah, so we're just a little bit harsher here in Arizona, unfortunately. That's crazy. I mean, like I said, I don't drink obviously because of my beliefs and all that. But like I say for somebody to go and serve time, I guess they had the perception to try and avoid people from doing so by having such harsher repercussions and like consequence regarding that as well. However to serve time, like it's the same thing with the whole thing I had personally, in my beliefs, with the whole people that were, I don't know, distributing and selling like marijuana, getting like a 10 year jail prison. I'm like, what about those? Actually, what about that if they're in Arizona? If you're selling marijuana, can you get off from that as a little bit more different? Yeah, well, I can't give you legal advice, but I can definitely tell you at my time with the US Attorney's Office, it's not something that we normally prosecute for marijuana and it's more of a state side. But so I don't really know. I know that we do offer marijuana expungements in the state so if you're previously convicted of a offense with that involved marijuana, you can have that expunge from your record, which is fantastic now that we've legalized it here in our state. But I don't know if you'd serve time for it or not. Okay, then again, I got caught. So now I can't vote, I can't bear arms. I'm just a citizen, but I can't even run, obviously, for public officers, if you can't vote. So now I'm coming to your office right now, and I'm like, listen, Danielle, I need to vote for the 48th president, where that may be, I wanna be able to get my voice heard, what's the steps and procedure that you would take? What's the first thing we're gonna go through? Yeah, I wanna look to see what your conviction would be for us in foremost. I, like I said, there was a list of felonies that they will just not allow it. And that, again, makes sense. We were talking about the heinous crimes. Just to see if you're eligible. If you're eligible, then we'll kinda go through, what are your goals, is your goal that you want, just your civil rights restored, which is the voting and running for office, do you wanna have your firearms restored? And then again, we'll look at the list to make sure that those classes that dangerous are serious offenses. And then I just help you prepare the packet. There's a packet that's standardized across the state. And there, it's kind of like a check box situation where it's just like, have you re-offended since then? Do you have a job, where do you live? And what, you know, are you an upstanding citizen? Is basically what you want to kind of display to the judge. Because once you submit your packet, it'll go before a judge or a prosecutor, I believe it's a judge, yes. And they will look to see if you're gonna, if you're likely to re-offend or not. But then, so it's not like a thing where I just got a DUI yesterday, I got out of prison. It's one of those things where you'd recommend, they probably go get a job, find something to do, at least fill out like a 1099 or W2 tax form. Yes. Like be an up-holding citizen. Yeah. And I think just naturally by seeing that, even regardless of your judge or not, you can see there's a trajectory that someone seems to be following and they're trying to uphold and be in good standing with their community as well. Exactly, yeah. And there's a waiting period too, if you want to apply for your firearm right, you have to wait at least two years from the date of your absolute discharge, which is either your last day in prison or your last day of probation. So yeah, there's a waiting period for it for sure. And it works out great because in those two years, you should be able to show that you've excelled better in life since your imprisonment. Oh, I love that. I am my perception of paralegal. I don't know, I'm a big fan of suits. I just thought it was. Yes, I always get called Meghan Markle. I love to be the princess England one day. Yes. So that was my perception of that. And then the code I broke it down on my, well, that's very interesting because I feel people deserve to know what their rights are because I feel like what's the point of being a citizen if you aren't exercising your rights to be a citizen? You know what I'm saying? Right. And I think it's important, everyone has their voices heard to actually add to the community because you're being led by people and you have the right to vote who you want to be led by you. Yeah. So what made you start this? Oh, man. Really, I grew up in such an unconventional household. My mom remarried. And so I'm growing up in this biracial family. My stepfather, he got a DUI. And it was a felony DUI, unfortunately. And it completely changed our world. You could see just how difficult it makes an American to be able to fulfill his role as a father and to be able to put food on the table. It was harder for him to get a job. People didn't want to rent houses to us. So just made it extremely more difficult. And he did four months in prison. And when he got out, he wasn't a better person. He didn't drink anymore. And he really changes life around. But yeah, we were still struggling really hard. And I felt like it shouldn't be a lifetime sentence, essentially, to be a felon. And so eventually, I was able to get him his gun rights back and his civil liberties restored. And his significantly better, significantly better. It's wild how much we put this stigma on individuals who have a past conviction. I used to be also a military police officer at the infamous Fort Leavenworth prison. And one of the biggest things that we were told in our training is that it's not our responsibility to uphold their punishment. They're already punished by being in prison. And so we shouldn't be negative or, again, how that stigma be biased towards them because of felons. It's interesting. I recently, one of my best friends is from Australia. And there wasn't episode that was released right now, because he had two immigration attorneys. What happened is that he's paperwork. It's a little different obviously. But I'm going to talk about the experience that he faced. There was something that was not renewed on time. And he was given misinformation. But to cut the long story short, because you always stayed in time with your visa with the whole ice that ended up occurring, which is understandable because at the end of the day, it's the laws you do understand that, however, he was like in a detention facility just recently in Nevada for two, three weeks. Oh, wow. And he was beyond traumatized because you have this guy, just attending obviously a Christian university, which we attended, just getting all this exposure, these detention facilities, and just coming out of that. You could see the trauma that is being faced. Why I'm talking and mentioning that story is the fact that obviously he's felons and people that are convicted, depending on whatever the crime may be. You still in a facility that can end up like bringing like emotional damage whether you're inside there as well. And then the last thing you want is coming out and then figuring out, hey, listen, this is like a damping, like image on your record, you pretty much do. Because first of all, getting a job when you have a felon, felon, or whatever it may be, it's hard enough. But now trying to like not even get your voices heard. I wonder why that even started. Do you know the historical context behind why that happened? You know, I don't. I wish I did. That's such a great question. But yeah, it is extremely debilitating to leave prison and one, to have to start your life all over. Especially, I mean, two or three weeks is a long period of time. But even for the individuals who've been there for months or years, they have to readjust. There's certain things that they're going to have to get back. They're going to have to find a place to live in a job. And like you said, it's really hard to find a job when you have a felony. And yeah, so that's one of my goals is really, and I've seen it in my practice already, is when I once I restore the civil liberties, I do see a sense of hope in their eye again. And that's kind of the main goal here is, again, we're not trying to, I don't think our judicial system should be punishing you for the rest of your life. I will do the best I can to help you get these rights restored. And hopefully, you're able to get to that next step that you need to go to make your life more successful. And I know that we did just a lot on the DUI. What other ones in your practice have you guys helped people get their rights restored, if you don't mind sharing. Yeah, I've done manslaughter before. The Hicular manslaughter. And I've done. What is that? So the Hicular manslaughter, this man in particular, he unfortunately went hunting, it was about 1998. He went hunting up in Flagstaff, him and his buddy, his best friend actually. They went to a barn Flagstaff before they got to their hunting post. And they were driving back from Flagstaff to the hunting post. And he unfortunately, the driver took a two-harsh of a turn, landed in a tree, and it instantly killed his best friend. Yeah, spent eight years in prison. But I was able to get him his civil rights and his gun rights back. So now he can go hunting with his son. And he sees it's already stuff like that that's what I was talking about. Like, no way did he have any intention to try and kill his friend. No, in fact. And I'm glad you explained that because sometimes we hear the term manslaughter, so it's a thing, yeah. No, no. And I was just going to say, in fact, the family was totally against the prosecution, knew that it was a mistake on his part that he never would have actually intentionally killed their son. And so, yeah, that story still gives me chills. But yeah, I mean, it's a mistake. And I do agree that the heinous crimes we talked about, they should not have their rights restored, killing people, intentionally, is obviously a very gruesome and horrible. But for the individuals who have this DIY or have the Hickory Man's Ladder Charges, I feel so deeply for them. Because it was a mistake when they were super young. And I know that they did not intentionally mean to do that. And of course, that's what I was kind of like referring to as well earlier on is the fact that, can you imagine the traumatic experience that he already faced? Like one of your best friends and you are responsible for this as a driver. It was not intended. And then it's already like it's going to be a depressing state. It's going to be a place where they're going to be just feeling that emotional distress. And I think that's a little crazy. And then what's the process? How long is it for them to get back when it starts? Well, the court system is always very long. It's really up to them. I would say just estimate between 90 to 120 days is usually the rough period of time. That's better than being a thing that forever. Right, right. Yeah, because a lot of people don't realize, too, that this is something that they can do. That's one of my biggest goals to his education is to understand, like, getting unfelence to understand that this is something that they can do. I often talk to felons through the community, and especially when I worked at the US Attorney's Office, and they had no idea that this was possible for him. So that's about what will be my next question. Do you work with law firms, attorneys' office, one stuff like that in terms of outsourcing? Because I think in some times in cases like law firms have noticed, they can end up delegating other cases that they don't want to take. And stuff like that is very common in your... Well, I just opened. It is my goal, but I just opened. So not yet. That's exciting. Yeah, yeah. Because I agree. A lawyer has really viewed this as per legal work, which is great. Because it definitely is you don't necessarily need a lawyer to help you through this. This is very much just paper pushing and getting you to fill out all the forms correctly. Because that's one of the biggest mistakes, too, that felons have is they don't fill out all the paperwork and they don't do it correctly, so then it gets rejected. But yes, that is my goal to work with defense firms to outsource this type of work. And then obviously primarily the state of Arizona. Yes, although... With the becases are continued. No, no, no, I was just going to say, although other states have adopted the same model. So I have helped people like in the state of Washington in Minnesota, too. I was about to say, when you say that I've noticed sometimes with law firms that end up, or not necessarily partnering, but keeping tabs of a hey-list and trying to help this person do the same thing. Is that your plan as well? And in the long term, we're trying to do that across many states. Yes, and then Trump, too, is getting ready to reintroduce felons, being able to get their felony rights, or excuse me, felons to get their firearm rights back to at the federal level, which hasn't been done since 1992, thanks to Chuck Schumer. But yes, I want to be able to do that, too. Your big Chuck Schumer, then? No. I'm not a big fan of... He was called crying Chuck by Trump. He's going to name for everyone. I'm not a big fan. There is cases with the Supreme Court that we really shouldn't even be legally allowed to take firearm weapons away. So I just did not agree with this 922G stuff, but... So you're a big second amendment kind of? Yes, huge gun rights advocates. I think that this is something that we, as Americans, are entitled to for the Constitution and our second amendment rights. So I don't agree that we should be taking this away from people unless they're mentally ill, or they have committed felonies with weapons in the past. And it's harder to obviously track it down, because obviously, me, right now, I'm in the resident of the United States and learning the historical context behind it and the American Revolution, the second amendment being in place to try and ensure that the government cannot be like a tyranny and trying to overthrow its people as well. So historically, everything kind of makes sense. And also, obviously, with what I told you earlier on my father in a head multiple guns as well, so recreational activity, no other kind of thing. And also, in situations where I want someone that I care and love about to be able to defend themselves in case I may not be there as well. So there's a lot of reasons behind it. At the same time, there probably needs to be a bit more like controlled to make sure the right people have the guns. Like, what are you saying, situations like that? I don't want to go off topic with that, but I know you're passionate about it. So I had to try and lecture. I agree with a lot of stuff, but I also understand why the other side is getting super crazy. But I don't want extreme stuff happening. I think everything happens in order. What's your opinion on that? Man, that's such a loaded question. You know, I truly agree with our constitution that it is everyone's right to bear arms if you're a United States citizen. I agree, like I said earlier, that if you're mentally incapacitated or you are a dangerous individual because you've committed crimes in the past that you shouldn't have it. But I think generally, yeah, everyone should be able to own a weapon, own a gun. I think it's imperative, in fact, as a part of our constitution. Alrighty, Alrighty. And not just go more into this, where do you see your, I know you just thought it right now, but I can see the ambition and the excitement and your knowledgeable in the, in the, in the spirit, where do you see yourself going in the next five years with this? Yeah, so I, I'm trying to get into law school for next year and I want to take this to the next level, still be able to provide affordable services for individuals who want to have their gun rights back. But just really advocating at a policy level to make sure that this happens. So I talked earlier about the Supreme Court case. I really want to see where that goes and be a part of that momentum as we continue to go with this administration. Just promise me don't go in turn by a Pearson's specter lit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Such a good show. Yeah. Yeah. Really inaccurate about everything, but it's a really good show. No, the reason I say my, my dad, my dad's an attorney back at home. Oh, thank you. I've been practicing for over 20 years. So he did, he, he's got his own law firm as well doing support, but he does, um, law in the South Africa is very different to law in the United States. Obviously we don't like no jury and stuff, but he's, no jury, wow. No, no jury, no jury at judge. So we remember, remember we had that famous case in 2010 with the Oscar for the story. Is the one with like no? Yes. Yes, that's so a judge decides like you, yeah. And so it was a criminal case, also very, very beautiful lady that was one of our top models in my country, blonde, gorgeous girl, that he ended up like shooting, thinking it was an intruder. Yeah. So he says, I'm not going to talk about what I believe, I don't, but that's a story for another day, but obviously got a five year imprisonment, but that, that was it. And that obviously gave shock waves, but our law system is so different there whereas I like both. I like both. I like the whole trial and jury and there because I feel like you're allowing people rather than one person to decide someone's fate. Right. Yeah. But at the same time, what if they can be very not okay and very biased, you know, we've seen a lot of bias cases or J Simpson, all the, well, there's many different stuff, you know what I'm saying, but I just had to share that. So would you go to undergrad, where did you go undergrad? I went to ASU. I'm hoping it'd be a devil alarm too. So you want to try and do law school, yeah? Yeah. I love, you know, I've lived in all different kinds of states. I've lived here at Kansas, DC, Washington, or again, I lived everywhere. I'm the same way. Yeah. And I enjoyed that. It was one of the great things about our country so we can go to all these different places. But Arizona really has my heart. I have invested so much time and energy into this community that I really just want to stay here and continue to do that. And there's so much potential with everything. Like every time I come here, like I'll spend a few weeks a month here, it's a, it's the most unique community. I've traveled like 48, 40, no, no, no, like 45 states. Oh, wow. And yeah, but I've only lived in like, I think, 708, because I lived, I did an internship in New York. Well, street. Oh, nice, very nice. I love New York. I love, love New York. I wish I could live there, honestly, I really do. Yeah, it's just, but it's just too much for too many people. Yeah, the reason I liked it first of all, I growing up I used to watch Gossip Girl on a few familiar with that. I've never, I've actually never seen it. I was girly as I am. I've never seen it. I can't believe I told you that. But no, just old as I say, even when I proposed to my wife, it was like, it was in New York, it was the Empire State building kind of thing as well. Very cute. But from being so traveled in all that, every time I come to Arizona, like even the gentleman I brought down here is one of the biggest wholesalers as well. But the community, everyone is willing to be able to express, learn and grow with each other, which I've never experienced in any single state. Yes. So I don't blame you when you say you want to stay in ASC, you want to become like double alumni and all that. But it's just, there's a unique community here. Yeah, yeah. And everyone's the same way. We all want to invest in each other, even the other small business owners that I've come in contact with so far, my journey, with pro-paralegal AZ. I mean, everyone's just so uplifting and encouraging. And I really do enjoy that. And like you said, you don't really find that in many other places. And then what's your, in terms of social media, like what's the trajectory in terms of marketing and branding? This is a very, the nice thing is that it's not as saturated. It's so new, because people aren't even aware of it. Right. It's sort of like a film of damnation. I can't do anything on school. Like what's your plan regarding that too? Oh my gosh, I don't have a plan. I'm a millennial, you think I wouldn't be better with social media. But there's just something about it that I just can't, I'm not a big poster. I'm like, what do they call it? Like a ghost, posting ghost. I just kind of, you know. Last post, first of January 2016. Yeah. No, but thankfully I have some really good people and a good team behind that that are really trying to give me the best ideas and how to sit down and record stuff. So I really appreciate that too. Okay. And so if you're gonna become, if you're gonna go to law school and end up like taking to the next step, what's your goal in trying to incorporate now with your legal background already that you currently have? How you gonna bring the two together? I think, again, like I said earlier, just really honing in on the gun right advocacy. A lot of like we've talked about with people are really pushing for reform. I don't believe in reform. I don't believe reform is necessary. And so I really want to use my law degree to be able to kind of like stand up for what I believe in and what I think the constitution and how I interpret it as well as millions of other people the way they interpret it. Have you applied already? I have not. I take the LSAT in August actually. So soon I have everything ready to go. I just need to take the test. That's exciting. Yeah, I'm really excited. It's been a long time coming. I've been doing this for 10 years. Wow. Yeah. And obviously it's a, it's a practice. You and you've been doing this for 10 years. We were doing this in Minnesota before then, right? No, no, I've always done it here. Well, yeah, I've always, I would say, I've always done it in Arizona. But you opened your own firm recently. Okay. So that's why when you're telling all those stories I was previously when you were in. I think it was attorneys office or in DC. Yeah. So it's a combined experience of being a paralegal from across the country. And I noticed, I was telling my dad this actually the other day, I think there are certain professions that I don't think people should ever worry about AI and being an attorney is one of them. I personally. Yes. Can you add on that too? No, I, you know, I have, I've tried, we've, I've experimented with, with my friends who are lawyers already and just asking chat, TBT, question, certain questions. And they're always just like, that's not it. And then we go back to legal research. And it's not right. So it's, it's, it's, chat TBT is good, I think, at like, summarizing. Yes. Yes. But definitely don't rely on it. Because laws change constantly. And chat TBT is a good researcher, but it's not a good legal researcher, which are two totally different things. Legal research is like one of the top things taught in law school and chat TBT has not gone to law school and never will. So there's just no way it can, and do legal research like we can. And also the critical thinking, you know, thinking on top of your head, trying to like, know your facts that you can try and like, I don't articulate it to try and like, you know, get the best case scenario. Because it can give you everything in very, in an automated way. But like, like, yes, AI can only take you so far, but like, you do need an actual person to represent you on behalf, you know. Law is a chess game. And you really need to be two steps ahead of your opponent in order to win. And chat TBT just, it can't guess one, what your opponent is going to do and two, how you should be able to structure your argument around it. Okay. And it's your right now, it's not a nonprofit, it's an actual practicing thing. So customers end up like, is it like a retainer kind of thing? How does that work? It's flaffy. I just, I charge everyone the same rate, no matter what. It's a flat fee. And then yeah, as soon as, as soon as we fill out the agreement, I'll get to work. And then within 90 to 120 days, you shall be right back. I'm glad. That's one thing I noticed as well when people give the time for him. It's like saying within, in other words, it can come earlier, but you don't want people just calling non-stop, because oh my gosh. It is. Yes, when I used to work for private practice law firms, it clients would call a lot. And it is a lot. And I do enjoy talking with them, because it's not something lawyers typically do. That's another reason why you should hire a paralegal. It's lawyers usually pawn off the calls to the paralegals. So you might also just work with me anyways. I was about to say, because paralegals actually know, you know, know it in depth. It's not like one of those think about paralegals in a firm, big of firm, they have to go back to the lawyers. And please correct me if I'm wrong. You know, it'll wait a bit, and I do. But like they do the research. They do like the in depth and analysis, and all the kind of stuff, finding it out, and then going to go let the lawyer know by their, the lawyers charge GPT pretty much. Yeah, I would never, I would never work in private practice again, because of the work, the amount of work that I do compared to what the attorney does, and I don't mean their discredit attorneys at all. I think attorneys are great. Love all my friends who are attorneys. But we just do a lot of work as a paralegal for very low pay. So attorneys are charging clients, you know, for, I would say, three to $500 an hour. They're charging paralegals at 125 an hour. Parallegals are the one doing all the work by pay for the attorney. And I've ever thought about trying to even go the path to get your law degree in like business attorney, branding attorney, all these different stuff. Oh, you're just so passionate about this gun rights. I really love criminal justice. It is so fascinating. My time at the U of the attorney's office, you know, I get to work at eight and by four o'clock, I just like I couldn't believe it was four o'clock because I'm just having so much fun. It is fascinating to read about all of these different crimes that people commit, how defense counsels working in on their and meeting with the criminals, meeting with, you know, our agents, which I love in a door. It's just such a fascinating aspect of our society that I don't think people get to really delve into. But what's the best part of your job? I'm appropriately glazed here when I was working for the federal government. Both. I think working for the federal government is working with the agents and hearing about the things that they get to do and what they're investigating and how their mind is operating as the investigation is ongoing. I think that part was really cool. It's very criminal minds, ask if you will. I'm appropriately paralegal, Azee. I just love that I get to meet different people within my community. So before it was working mostly with agents and with prosecutors, but now I actually get to work with individuals who have already committed the crime and kind of help them like restore that life. Now that the prosecution is over. And I think one thing you get to realize that they're actual human beings and whether it was a mistake or whether they did something like people just want a second chance. And I think what you provide is hope. And I think it's such an important thing knowing that he listens. You can go practice and gain the amount of guns you want to get. But more importantly, you also you can vote. You can do all these different stuff. I think hope is such an important thing because we just end up like giving people like a level of a damnation way. Like you can't progress. You just stuck in a certain thing. And I think hope is such an important thing, eh? Would you agree? No, I agree. And you know, I have met so many individuals who have committed crimes, who regret it, and who are trying to do the best they possibly can to provide food on the table to start a family, to start their own businesses. And again, I don't think that one mistake should limit them from being able to do those things. I couldn't agree more. But for somebody out there that maybe watching this, let's say now they are out of jail. And I know you said like being outstanding citizen doing the best part you can do. What advice would you give somebody right now that's just had their life shut at the conning and get a job? What's the first thing that can do right now to try and get their life back in order? I think just have faith. We have so many misconceptions about the judicial system. And I get it. It's just the judicial. Wow, I cannot talk today. The judicial system just convicted them, sent them to prison. And I totally get it, makes them have some serious doubts about whether or not it's there to actually help them. But I really just want them to have hope that it does. And not this avenue gives them that hope that they are going to need. And they should definitely use, if they can, to restart their life. One past mistake does not define the rest of your life. We all make mistakes. They might think that they're a mistake because it landed them in prison is more serious. But I would tend to disagree. There's people that do things all the time and they're never convicted. So yeah, just have faith. I know you spoke about the Can speeding fines prevent people from voting and stuff? Speeding fines, no. No traffic violations are completely separate. That's interesting. But yeah, no. No, no. Are you sure? Or maybe it's just a different state to Florida. I know Florida people that had speeding fines had to pay off the fines that they had before they could vote. Really? I could be wrong. Because I remember the case that it was a 2020 Michael Bloomberg, I think, went down to Florida. And they were just trying to help everyone pay off their fines that they could try and vote. Maybe it could be still. I could be wrong. Please don't quote me on that or any other. But I think that was a situation. Well, anything's possible. I wouldn't put it past me. Anything's possible. But that would be very surprising to me. Yeah, like I said, I'm not 100% sure in that. I just remembered them just spending millions of dollars trying to pay people's fines off. I don't know, because I'm like, I've never ever, I don't even hear that. And maybe it was just ease dropping. It could be 100% inaccurate, but I'll check it after the podcast. Yeah, I will too. That's very interesting. I hope. OK. Thank you. Do we get confirmation on this trip? Wow. Yeah. Florida is different. Yeah. Well, altogether, Florida is different. But yeah, so that's why I specialize in a certain state today, I do. Did it? Wow. It says states like Alabama. Well, but Arizona is on here too. So it says states like Alabama, Arizona, are these all for a 10-piece specific, specifically required payments of all fines and fees? Fines and fees of what though? Court fines and fees? It's just it just says, if you have felony information in paying fines, fees, costs, and restitution. Yes. So that's different than traffic. Yeah. That is a part of the requirements too to have your rights restored. Is that all your restitution and court fees have to be paid? OK. Maybe that's what the thing was. Yeah. I think that's probably what it was. That makes much more sense. Traffic fines are different. So what are court fines? Oh, court fees, what are those? They're court ordered usually when you're sentenced of the fees that you have to pay. We, like at the US Attorney's Office at the Federal level, we'll have a victim's fee. This helps be able to provide victims where certain services like flying them to here. If they're not from the states, we need to fly in them here. Those kinds of things or court fees are like if you file something, you never paid it. Those types of situations. Or if you have like, I don't know, there's fees associated with sentences too. So if you serve like 10 years, you might be sentenced to pay restitution of like five grand. I don't know. It just depends. It also depends on your crime too. So. No, 10 years of paralegal, you definitely, I've noticed, even with my dad had a paralegal as well, you end up just, it becomes sick in nature and just like, even resolving stuff super quickly, because the amount of stuff that I just given to you have seen files drop off on a desk. I've seen so many different stuff. And that was even like pre-AI summarized. That was because we can't use that AI in court either. I love that. Yeah. I love that. But it's pretty much, gosh, I hate to say cut and dry. But once you see one of a certain type of case, like manslaughter or murder or a second degree rape or whatever it is, you kind of understand, like, OK, this is what I, in discovery and stuff. This is what I should be asking for. And you have such a great relationship to the Federal Public Defender's office that you just, you know, exactly what is what you need to get from the other side and to kind of get this case going. So it's great. And I also work with attorneys who love teaching. They were teaching me all the time. I was constantly going to court with them, constantly trying to learn. I asked all the time why they're doing certain things and why they don't do others. Like, it was just such a great learning experience. And I am so thankful for the attorneys I got to work with. That's amazing. And with you provide, obviously, like, consulting in person, which makes it super, right? Do they come to the office all the time over the phone or what is it? We do everything over the phone or over Zoom. Oh, OK. Yeah. You don't provide the in person consulting? No, I don't. It's just because I'm doing it. It's not brick and mortar yet. So once I get to that place, I will. But at this point, everything's over the phone or Zoom. OK. And really, we're just going over questions to make sure you're eligible. That's really all we have to do. Oh, OK. Yeah. So you don't have to come in. A lot of times, too, my clients are just super busy. They're blue collar workers. And so there, you just don't have the time to come up to where I'm at and keep Creek to do it. We had a tenant of musta mind. Here, one of the owners, Jason, he holds a musta mind here. Because I was doing podcasts here. Everyone inside their 90% were blue collar. And even coming to the scene, they have to put it in their schedule because they constantly always work. Yes. You know, it's such a demanding kind of thing. Although I'm a little different, I'm one of those like, I'm an in person person. Are you? Yeah. OK. Never, ever done a podcast over Zoom. I've had people leave in England that are reached out to. I had one guy from England that actually came to Vegas from the Grand Codontenix conference. I'm like, perfect. Wow. It's was sit down. I have a nice Airbnb that we rented out in Vegas. And we had a nice view of the waterfalls and stuff like that. I was like, you know what? You hear? And I'm the same way. I come to AZ. My name is blah, blah, blah. Because it's just for me. I don't know. I zone out over Zoom and stuff. Really? I don't mind it. I don't mind it. I wasn't a big proponent of Zoom meetings during COVID and stuff. I understand the necessity for it. But I'm kind of like you. I like in person. But I'm trying to cater towards the blue collar workers who are about 90% of my clientele fees. So I'm just trying to help them get all the information I can from them. They'll hang up on the phone. And I just finish up everything that I need to get it over to the court. And I think that's what people need to understand is the fact that you're trying to see if you can get pre-qualified or if it actually would work and make sense for you in your scenario as well. Because that's one of those things. It's not easy for you to drive two, three hours. If there's just like a few questions, like 30 minutes or an hour over Zoom. Exactly. So it's convenient. So that's beautiful. You know, just convenience. So yeah. And I think in that situation, I would do the same thing. I was just saying like, gosh, sometimes I don't know. I just get a little embarrassed. I'm like, can I just see you in person? Yeah. I committed this crime. I may have taken, I don't know, bread from my, I don't know, the grocery store. And I prefer just saying in front of you. I don't know. You just feel like you're recorded. I don't know. That's just personally me. My mom is always just like, you should you be meeting with felons in person? And I'm like, no, they're regular people, mom. They're totally fine. I feel safe with every person I've ever met. They're really, there's just the most thankful people. And I love that. And again, blue collar workers who are probably cleaning your pool or building your roof or helping you, you know, change your tire off the side of the road. It's those type of people that I'm trying to help. Blue collar workers are the hot beat of America. Oh, yes, especially in this heat. Oh my gosh, I could not do what they do. 120 degrees and like, it's just do the same thing like every day. And they do it at the spot and they face again. You know what I'm saying? So it's about like just people that just embrace it, you know? So yeah, I know everyone deserves a voice to be heard. And I think sometimes things can be a little unfair. Where it can be a little harsh. Circumstance obviously a little bit more different. But the fact that people, this people representing and allowing and you know, federal started and owned is such a big thing. Because veterans do so much as well. I can just standing in the front lines and just providing where they'd be serviced or combat doesn't matter. You're still serving your country. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Awesome stuff. What are the things you want to share and talk about as well as we conclude? Because only have like two or three more questions. I think we've got it all, you know, I just really want to emphasize that this isn't available to anyone convicted of a felony in this state. And I really truly do hope that they get that the excuse me. I really truly hope that they get what they need. Because like I said, you know, one one mistake should not define your entire future. I love that so much. So yeah, we have Mrs. Harvey Specter here as well. So I hope you prepared. What was making Markles name of a corner name with? I know Mike Ross and Rachel. Yes, Rachel. Rachel Zane. So yeah, no, now I'm grateful. These are my favorite kinds of podcasts. But it's just great conversation. It's not like a rehearsed like where do you see yourself? And I love conversations. And I'm grateful you came in the studio as well. If I want to ask people this is especially as we approach the conclude as well, because it's called the co-twinning insights you need today to see the world tomorrow. If you were to define just the term winning, what does it mean? For Danielle. Gosh, that's a great question. I think winning is just any time that I am happy. That's one of the biggest reasons why I started my own business was because I just wanted to be happy. And I wasn't finding that, you know, busting my butt day in and day out for somebody else. I really wanted to work for myself and work with the vision that I have. And every sense I've started, I've been happy. So I've interviewed over 90 people, even though only 40 episodes. And that was my definition as well. And so that's the best answer that I've gotten. And I'm not saying the answer that they gave great. Everyone has given great answers. Everyone is kind of elaborated and gave their mind trial and their motto, their full life and all that. But I think at the end of the day, with so much of heartache, sadness, depression, there'll be all experience. Like if you wake up every single day and you're like, listen, I'm making a difference in this world. I'm interviewing an amazing paralegal right now, it's changing the world on my time that I decided to have. That is winning. Thank you so much. Danielle, if you could let our viewers know where they could get a hold of you website, if you have like a office number or whatever, if you can let them know where to get a hold of you as well. If they want to try and reach out and try and find it a bit more about what you do. Yeah, absolutely. If you are a felon trying to restore your civil rights and your firearm rights, please reach out to me at ProPair Legal AZ on social media. You can also go to properalegalaz.com. The link will also be in the description section for both an oral platform as well. So if you want to know what she said, it's going to be right in the description section to just click the link below as well. The coat winning insights you need today to seize the world tomorrow, the amazing Danielle came in the studio. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.