Flashback Friday | #501: CIA: Drugs R Us | John Potash

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So now that we've got the business out of the way, oh baby, I'm excited for this one. It's my great pleasure to welcome back to the show, John Potash, the director, talking about his new movie, CIA Drugs. It's good to see you, John. How are you? Good. How are you doing again, Charlie? This is such a topic that's right up my alley. But I didn't expect it to start the way it did and to get into some of the real history, the backstory of where this enterprise, the CIA, where the money came from, where the funding originally come from. I'm not surprised to find that the fingerprints of eugenics are all over this, but I was a little caught off guard that it's opium money that was funding all of this. Can we start there and get into a little bit of the backstory of where this money came from and how it flowed into these universities in the Northeast? Yeah. So I go into more detail of this in the prequel of my film, because CIA drugs are us and the subtitle of my film is a drugs' weapons sequel. So in the prequel, I get into more details, but I go over it quicker in the beginning of this film, the fact that some of the top opium shipping families, the Russells, the Cabots, the Greens, the Lowe's, were working with the British East India Company of the top opium shipping families of Britain. And so they were Anglo-Fallows. They loved the British aristocracy, basically, these families. And they were some of the wealthiest families in the United States and made a lot of their wealth through opium shipping. And they also started the Ivy League colleges. Most of them. There's a low library at Columbia University where I went to grad school. There's Russells started Yale University, the Cabots. There's a Cabot house at Harvard, the Greens, Princeton, you know, and all that. So start with that. Talk about that history and didn't get into the opium war. They started in China in this one, but I did, of course, in drugs' weapons against us. It's the prequel. And then bring it into how they kept the opium shipping going into the 1900s. They just made it illegal to make more profit off of it. They made the drugs illegal at that point. And so then they, you know, you bring into, then they also were heavily involved. You know, they were intermarried. The Pierponts were intermarried with the Russells. The Pierpont goes to John Pierpont Morgan, J.P. Morgan. That was one of the wealthiest families that was behind the Eugenics movement. The, you know, J.P. Morgan Chase is the largest bank in the world right now. And Chase was started by the Rockefellers, Chase Manhattan Bank. And they emerged to form J.P. Morgan Chase. And so the same oligarchs from way back that were intermarried, you know, lead you all the way up to the present of the wealthiest, you know, the biggest bank in the world right now, J.P. Morgan Chase. And they were, they stayed involved in the opium shipping. They stayed involved. Morgan, J.P. Morgan ships were caught with tons of cocaine coming into Philadelphia in the, you know, in the, believe it was the last about 10, 15, 20 years, you know, and so this is all continued. But I lead up to how the Eugenics movement led into the funding of Eugenics in Germany, which was completely bereft after World War I, just lacking all finances and resources. And so they were the only country that would accept U.S. these oligarchs, American oligarchs money, because they were in such bad shape. And that funded the rise of the Brown shirts and the Nazis. And of course, Brown Brothers, Harriman, I say in the first film was, was prosecuted on the trading with the enemies act. And Brown Brothers are actually a Alexander Brown Baltimore based investment firm when they always invest firms in the country. The head of Brown Brothers, Harriman was Prescott Bush, George Bush's father, George H.W. Bush's father. And, you know, the Harriman's were part of that Brown Brothers, Harriman, of course, and then some of the English wealthiest English families were part of Brown Brothers, Harriman. So it's all kind of intertwined that way. And they funded basically, you know, they were convicted of funding the Brown shirts and Hitler's mercenary army, the Rockefellers were intertwined with merged their group, his interest, business interests with IG Farben, the largest pharmaceutical company in England and Germany, I'm sorry. And IG Farben owned Auschwitz basically, which was a the largest of all the concentration camps. It was like many concentration camps in one. And so that's, you know, some of that history. And then you come in coming after the World War two and you get into the fact that the what this is about, as you say, is the CIA's project MK Ultra that huge umbrella project, 149 sub projects and the OSS, the precursor to the CIA. Saved a bunch of Nazi scientists and brought them into project, you know, MK Ultra. And because they took some of the experiments they were doing with psychedelics on, you know, prisoners, you know, concentration camp victims, you know, Jews, gays, socialists, you know, etc. Gypsies and and brought them, you know, into MK Ultra to use those same experiments and more with a lot more drugs when people in the United States. And and I show in the rest of the film that they were using them when anyone who opposed the Algarx racist pro war agenda and this continued under different names, but into the 1973 officially. Now, President Kennedy tried to close it down in 1961. They continued behind his back. He founded happening behind his back and tried to close it down again. And they changed the name to MK search. They continued until at least 1973 when Richard Helms shredded all the documents for MK Ultra, but didn't realize there was documents in the accounting office. They couldn't shred. There was about 20,000 documents in the accounting office. And researchers estimate that that was about 10% of the total, maybe 200,000 least documents under MK Ultra. And so and this is and this this MK Ultra was about using drugs for unconventional warfare. That's what their documents say. And some of the top drugs used was LSD, but obviously they would use the same drugs they use, you know, they ship like opium and cocaine after that. But then you look at all the other drugs and you're looking at plenty of psychedelics. You're looking at MDA, which is the precursor to MDM, which is ecstasy, you're now called Molly and many, many other drugs that they, you know, we thought was like just natural drugs that rose up on the street that came out in the street. But really, a lot of them came out of this MK Ultra project and were spread sadly by the CIA, their agents or unknowing, unwitting other, you know, assets that didn't realize it was all coming from the top of the CIA. It's an interesting interlocking Venn diagram of the old old time opium oligarchs, the creation of the pharmaceutical industry by the Rockefellers. And then the blending of the intelligence agencies into this as well where everybody kind of gets their hands on these drugs and they're different. They're used for different things. Ultimately, they're used to enslave humanity in some way, shape or form. And I'm not surprised that what would come out of a lab in Johns Hopkins someplace or some Rockefeller financed university probably would end up in the hands of the CIA, given the creation of the OSS and the later the creation of the CIA basically as Wall Street's intelligence agency to make sure that they kind of have tabs on everything. It would behoove them to have control mechanisms in place in the form of drugs, right? That would be a logical, evil of course, but a logical progression for them, right? And Ramsey Clark, the former attorney general, I say this in my book and I think I mentioned in my first film that I talked to Ramsey Clark in Antioch, I think it was the Antioch War Conference in 1991. And I said I'm an addictions counselor. I was working as an addictions counselor in Baltimore City then. And I said, you know, I tried to get from him. What do you think that the, you know, the government and the wealthiest families use drugs for in terms of, you know, having them so prolific in the United States? And he said, I think they use drugs to sedate and divide the masses. And that was his words. And I would only add, disrupt and kind of like hurt and harm the masses in terms of harming our brains for it to disrupt our best organizing, you know. So when a group like SDS tries to do their best organizing against the moneyed, you know, upper class, they may have the numbers, but the, you know, the upper class has the super wealth and the assets and everything else. So the SDS has to be as creative and sharp about their organizing as they possibly can. And when they start messing with traumatizing their brains with so much acid, it hurts their best abilities. And same thing with the Black Panthers, when they, you know, fight for like civil rights and, you know, black liberation and just what they're hoping for in terms of gaining more independence and inequality. They have a hard time doing it when someone introduces cocaine and heroin into their communities. And then the founder of the National Black Panther Party, Huey Newton, develops a cocaine problem. That disrupts what they're doing. And then that's some of what happened. That's the way the drugs were used against, you know, these different, you know, great organizing groups of the 1960s and still being used against organizing groups to today, I believe. And not just the way in which it affects your mind or conditions you to develop an addiction, but also the way they've criminalized it and then use that as an avenue to break up families and to put the black community in prison on disproportionately long prison sentences for crack cocaine as opposed to powdered cocaine. And so when you control the apparatus of the judiciary and all of the judges and whatnot and Congress, you can make it so. And of course, we know through the crime bill that Joe Biden was behind that, deeply involved in that. So the idea and also the irony that his son goes on to become a crackhead when he was pushing for harsh sentences for crack users is also diabolical, but not surprising once you get that. So these guys in Washington, DC, they really get a two for one, right? They can break you, break up your society or your community by getting you hooked on drugs and spending all your money and wasting your time and frying your brain. But also, if that doesn't work, they can get you on the other side for selling, distributing or possession, right? Yeah, no doubt. And I get more into that in my book and the first film, Drugs as Weapons Against Us for sure. I couldn't get as into that because NCI drugs are just because it was time limited. And I was really doing kind of deep dives into specific cases, along with parody songs, of course, you know, which I had to do to make it more fun. But I did the deep dives into the Manson family and the way they were connected to MKUltra and the Catholic Church and the way that was connected to MKUltra and in particular the case study of Father Joseph Maskell and his community, his network in the Baltimore area. And I have a personal stake in that because I counsel a victim of Father Joseph Maskell now using EMDR therapy, trauma therapy with her. And I've counseled a number of church abuse victims over the last 10 years, since I've become certified in EMDR. And so it's, you know, I really have and, you know, the lead, lead citizen investigator in my film, Gemma Hoskins lives in my neighborhood or did live in my neighborhood. She moved out a year or two ago, but she lived in my neighborhood. She went to high school with Father Joseph Maskell and Sister Kathy Sestnik literally within five or so miles of where I live. That's like five miles into the city, but it's, you know, kind of unofficially a neighborhood away, really, into the city where this a lot of stuff happened. And it's, so it's really, you know, more close to home and, and yeah, so I'll tell you more about that in a few minutes. Sure. Is the CIA the new British East India Company? Well, um, yeah, I mean, you could look at that way for sure. Tavistock is, is the British version of the CIA. I guess you can call it a British version of MP ultra because MI six is officially the British version of the CIA. But MI six is more, um, it has to go more by the government and is a little more open than the CIA is. So the CIA in the United States can do so much more covertly than MI six can do. Um, so they use Tavistock as a privatized version of MP ultra, which is like a private intelligence kind of group, you know, um, and, uh, you know, it kind of goes by with the aristocracy once, you know, in England, I believe, was started by some aristocrats and goes by them. Whereas MI six is more beholden to the government. Um, but together MI six and Tavistock can be considered what the CIA is in our country because there's no aristocracy in our country too. You know, and that's, that was the evolution, different evolution of the, uh, Britain and the United States. Um, and so it's really different evolution of the United States and most all European countries. And that's why the United States had, as I said, my film, the, uh, the kind of new industrious rise up with nothing opposing them. And that's why they could quash any kind of movements, workers movements or anything without, you know, which was different than England trying to buy for the workers movement to help them against the other side. Um, but anyway, uh, so what, you know, what I show was that these oligarchs puts them their own family members in these scenes, like Barbara Sears, Rockefeller's cousin, video, Pellecus is involved in the Laurel Canyon music scene, trying to, you know, helping to shape that music scene with David Van Cortland Crosby, who has, you know, comes from the wealthiest families in the country, the Van Cortland's own a family. Over 1000 acres, over 1000 acres in the Bronx. And it's how wealthy they were. And so here's this son of theirs who has, you know, a certain amount of musical talent, not much though. They needed the ship, you know, the wrecking crew. I say this in my first, uh, in my book, and I believe I mentioned in my, in my film how they need the wrecking crew to really do the instrumentals for their, their albums, you know, but then, you know, uh, they're made instant stars. And that's what happened. And then they hold these sex and drug parties to introduce drugs, uh, and lower people in with the sex and the orgies and, you know, introduce them to all kinds of drugs, acid, cocaine, heroin, everything to, to, you know, develop habits and the actors of the, uh, LA scene, Hollywood scene and the new musicians in the LA scene. And, uh, they made, you know, the LA scene, like this instant hotbed of top 10 talent in, you know, make these people, you know, between David Van Cortland Crosby, uh, you know, Papa John Phillips of the mamas and the poppers, um, who was in the Naval Academy before and people like Frank Zappa, whose father was an clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy clergy She said that they would supervise these sex and drug orgies and yet they wouldn't take anything. Vita Plectus, Pelicus, and Frank Zappa wouldn't take any drugs. And the same happened with Manson. There was a lot of the great researcher, late researcher, Dave McGowan, who died young, sadly enough. He said that he compared all these details of the actions of Vita Plectus and Charles Manson and found there were so many similarities and they were doing things in a way to create these kind of robotic females, but traumatizing them, giving them loads of drugs. And then we find out later they were being also hypnotized by Dr. Jolly and West, who was having letters to the great author, Tom O'Neill, award-winning researcher and writer, found the letters going back between the director of CI's MKUltra, Sydney Gottlieb, and Dr. Jolly and West for decades. And so he was doing MKUltra work when he was seeing the Manson family at least weekly and sometimes daily for six months straight to obviously use what the documents say when Dr. Jolly and West was hypnosis and drugs to get people to do whatever they want them to do. Yeah, this was interesting that Dr. Sydney Gottlieb running MKUltra, these LSD experiments, the relationship with Timothy Leary. You mentioned that Dr. Gottlieb was fired by JFK, is that right? No, what happened is JFK fired the first CI director, I believe it was Dulles at that time, but he fired the CI director when he came in in 1961, replaced him, but the CI assistant director kept running MKUltra behind his back in an outside office. And Harvard eventually fired Timothy Leary and Richard Albert and kicked them out of Harvard. So there was a front group called the Human Ecology Fund, which was a CI MKUltra front group. And so some of these schools, I do believe, did know about this CIA funding, but most of them didn't actually. And I think Harvard, I don't know if Harvard did or not, I believe they didn't be honest, but I'm not sure. All I do know is that they were getting this money from Human Ecology Fund from CIA MKUltra was going to about 44 different universities, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Stanford being just several of them going to a number of 40 plus prisons and 40 plus hospitals around the country. And so they were funding all these experiments with psychedelics and other drugs, one people there, and there was 149 subprojects, there was all kinds of things going on. And some of them were, we know from the documents that were found, were using hypnosis and drugs to create and a sort of hypnotized state where people would be doing things, including pulling the trigger of a gun without realizing when they woke up from that, what they were doing, what they had done. Yeah, this is interesting. When you got into the Laurel Canyon component, we started looking at Lookout Mountain in that area. It's funny, I was just talking about that over Thanksgiving with my mother-in-law. I was saying, you know, Jared Leto is running a cult out of this place called Lookout Mountain. She's like, what are you talking about? And I had to explain the whole history of it. And it's interesting. Is he still there? And did he, which cult did he have a cult there or do you have it somewhere else? He just looks like he's running a cult. I can't say for certain that he wears all white and he looks like Jesus. And then he takes pictures with everybody. There's like 75 people behind him and they're all dressed exactly the same. I mean, it's a cult. That is interesting. I didn't know that. They're not putting on the black Nike high tops and eating the applesauce and going to the mothership behind the comet. Not yet, at least, but there's certainly on their way. You could be right. I know he did buy Lookout Mountain, like you said. Yeah. Yeah. So it's an interesting. It's an interesting blend of military intelligence and Hollywood, right? Where you get this weird Jim Morrison's dad, Admiral Morrison being involved in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Start to be involved. Yeah. Big Irish. For people that don't know, Lookout Mountain was a air force studio in Laurel Canyon with it was the largest studio of its kind in the world, arguably, and and had loads of Hollywood actors and directors and all all had had to sign confidentiality agreements doing Air Force and, you know, like the Air Force intelligence work and hundreds and hundreds of Air Force intelligence officers there. So there was loads of US intelligence officers and undercover agents all over Laurel Canyon at the same time that these sex and drug parties were were happening with by 1968 the Manson family being part of those sex and drug parties with underage girls acting like robots, you know, acting, you know, participating in orgies to lure actors and musicians to the drugs and introducing them to all kinds of drugs and so on. Yeah. And for those that are there, if you want to have an example in your mind of what was being made at Lookout Mountain, we can go back to those videos, the atomic energy division that was showing. If you ever watch the pictures of what it looks like for a house getting hit by a nuclear bomb or it gets stripped off and the cars, you know, and it looks like they're filming it with miniatures. That's because they were they filmed them there and Lookout Mountain and everyone says this is this seems a little fake to me, but it was, you know, 60 years ago, 70 years ago. So I guess they could probably pull it off with that that fake modeling. But that was that was an interesting component of Lookout Mountain that I discovered. There was loads of loads of films made there. So there was probably a number of Hollywood propaganda films, you know, probably propagandizing pushing America towards the Vietnam War, propagandizing all kinds of other things that we just won't know, you know. So Laurel Canyon and the Manson family goes away in the late 60s, sort of the end of the summer of the summer of love. But if we're honest in the late 80s, early all through the 90s, a new honeypot came about not too far from there, I would say the Playboy mansion filled all in this good point. Yeah. I mean, I don't talk about the Playboy mansion, but there's probably plenty of honeypots, but that's a good probability, I would say that, yeah, Playboy mansion could have been another honeypot. Just like that. I agree. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about the the section of the film where you get into Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn, this Chicago group that comes out of this. I they got on my radar. I kind of went back. I kind of worked backwards. I didn't know who they were from their domestic terrorism. I found out who they were once Chesa Bowden became the district attorney of San Francisco. And I find out that these were his step parents or these were his adopted parents and his his biological parents went to prison or got murdered or something and they wound up adopting. Yeah. His biological mom was in prison long term for when I consider good attempt to help the Black Liberation Army, a Black Liberation movement to what they were doing was actually, you know, I don't necessarily agree with their tactics, but they were kind of forced into these tactics of robbing banks in order to raise money to help for healthcare in the Bronx and healthcare and other Black communities that were kind of left with no help with the flood of opiates and cocaine that were coming into it. Mostly opiates at that time coming into these communities from Vietnam area. You know, Vietnam area was the golden triangle for poppy fields and opium and the longest war in US history at that time. And then the Afghanistan, the golden crescent for poppy fields and opium and heroin became the longest war after that. And no by no coincidence, because the best places to grow poppies and produce opium and heroin, the Algarcs love those places and want to have constant war there to control them, of course. But so that is so Matulu Shakur had started the Lincoln detox in the Bronx and he had started getting people into recovery super fast with acupuncture and and Chesa Boudin was helping in that area in New York and helping with Lincoln detox. And the police forced it to close down by gunpoint. They were when they were defunded, they were stick kept kept it going in the volunteer basis until police forced to close. They murdered the director of Lincoln detox. It was a medical doctor they needed for the director Matulu Shakur was assistant director. Matulu Shakur was a stepfather of a two box Shakur. And and so a number of weather underground people did did work there volunteer there and and when they forced that closed. That's when they resorted some people. We don't know all who but you know some members of Black Liberation Army that were former Black Panthers or forced underground members of SDS or the weather underground started robbing banks to raise money for healthcare. You know, they called it appropriating the money for healthcare for that area and to keep the clinic going and other things, you know, other forms of healthcare going in that really decimated area of the Bronx. And so so she was driving a getaway car at the time when to help the robbers get away and and police, you know, put her in jail for basically the rest of her life. She was just released maybe a year or two before she died. Maybe, you know, maybe a few years before she died, but she developed cancer and died recently and within the last few years and was released just a little bit before that. But yes, so Chesa was her son raised by Bernie and Dorn Bill Ayers. Now, Bernie and Dorn was an excellent organizer, graduated from Northwestern University Law School, rose up to be one of the top three leadership positions of the SDS, Students for Democratic Society, which had grown from a handful of students in 1961 to 100,000 in 1969. And so Bill Ayers had grown up in in one of the wealthiest families in the country. You know, Tom Ayers owned General, is a major stakeholder in General Dynamics and Sears, you know, department store in the Tribune Company in Chicago Cubs, etc. He was in the Chicago gas and oil business. I mean, he was super wealthy and here was the son coming in and gets into a position of leadership of Michigan SDS where SDS had started and he proceeds to run that SDS different than any other SDS in the country that I read about from the book SDS, which analyzed a bunch of SDS groups in the country. And that is he didn't do the civil rights work. He actually started a school, a co-ed school for black and white students, but black students and white students, black parents and white parents started to disenroll their kids from that school saying the white parents saying it was making starting to make my kids racist. The black parents saying they did not approve of the way that school was running. So he was not doing civil rights work. He was doing something else. I don't know what it was some kind of experimental ugly work. He, the SDS was very brutal was like brutally violent and would beat up people that didn't do what they said in the group. It was totally bizarre. They didn't try for peaceful protests and anti-war protests. They only did violent anti-war protests and you know, it's hard to even know if they really did anti-war protests. They pushed psychedelics. He pushed psychedelics like crazy. A Pulitzer prize. An article said he did this with the help of a guy named Mellon who they believe was highly, you know, rumored to be a CIA undercover agent or, you know, and so this is some of what went on in that group. They formed a big group in there that then took over the national SDS really. I mean, basically dominated national SDS and he got himself into one of the top three positions after he helped SDS divide and be divided. He manipulated burning Doran to help divide SDS and saw its downfall. He took over leadership position and then, you know, and then SDS failed and with, you know, with him with long of another undercover, a number of other undercover agents that helped him accomplish that. So it's really sad, you know, how that can they can do that. Yeah. So he was installed essentially as controlled opposition to run this. That's what it appears. That's with all the evidence supports. Wow. I mean, I mean, I guess our first indication would be that when you're the son of a billionaire, that all of a sudden you have this hankering for, you know, justice and equality. Right. It's it always feels a bit empty. And then when you mentioned Mellon working with them, of course, we know the Mellon family. Yeah, I don't know if that Mellon was from the same Mellon family, but that Mellon did. Everyone didn't know where he came from if he was even a student at Michigan and he helped Bill Ayres devise to all this, do all these ugly things. Michigan SDS devise a new group to divide things more called the weathermen. They wrote the weathermen statement that and that calls the divisions for a new group within SDS to form as the weathermen and split off from SDS and and pushed psychedelics, you know, acid and group sex in that in that new formation. And that new formation involved the leader of Columbia SDS, which was a highly respected group because they won the one of the first building takeovers. Anti-war building takeovers in the country. And that was, you know, Paul, I mean, that was Mark Rudd and Mark Rudd and the Columbia SDS specifically did not want to take LSD. They said it was they thought was anti-revolutionary and and then under curation, George Demily, who had infiltrated Abbey Hoffman's Yippie group, Yippies, and it pushed acid, you know, in a big way along with Abbey Hoffman there. George Demily kept pushing, kept pushing for the New York group to, you know, Columbia and SDS and New York, the rest of New York group to use acid and finally dose them at one of their parties and put those to the punch with loads of acid and convinced Mark Rudd and the New York and Columbia SDS to start tripping. And so. This is a pattern that we see over and over again because we saw this with John Lennon, right? Yeah. With the Beatles, how they, they were sort of, he was dosed, right? And then convinced, well, do it a second time. And next thing you know, they're making the magic magical mystery tour in yellow submarines and all this. They're inadvertently, well, they're promoting it. They're like influenced to promote acid. And yeah, they did that and they and and that happened a few months. He was dosed a few months after the assistant director of M. K. Alcher, Robert Lashbrook, went over to London and this is according to A. Hatchner, who was the edit when the editors for earning earners Hemingway. He wrote a book called Blown Away About the Scene then and says that Robert Lashbrook, assistant director of M. K. Alcher goes over to London with tons of LSD, tons of money and tons of CIA agents and directs them to put get CIA get acid as many musicians hands as possible. And why? I argue because to get them to inadvertently promote acid. And so then what happens? John Lennon and George Harrison are dosed by George Harrison's dentist at a party and and you know, that's mean, those being in voluntary given acid without their knowledge. And John Lennon was furious. George Harrison says, what's LSD? I've never heard of it. You know, even know what it was because it wasn't popular in Britain at that time, like it was starting to get popular in the United States. And so Mick Jagger gets his first acid when he's finally in 1967 when an undercover agent FBI and MI5, which is British FBI agent Dave Schneiderman, you know, influences him to finally try LSD. And then he's in the middle of a party and and then a few hours later, he's busted. So that makes the headlines that Mick Jagger busted while tripping and that even though he was only the first time he tried it, they acted like, oh, he always takes acid and you should too. That's what all all your rock stars, favorite rock stars are doing. And so that's the way they inadvertently got these musicians to promote it partly, you know, that's part of the way it happens. And then we see this this again, sort of like almost a pattern forming where we have John Lennon and Yoko. Yeah. And then we move into the 90s and we get Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love. Yeah. Yeah. And so and you've done extensive work on this in the past. I mean, this is this is right in your wheelhouse. So this is my first time touching on Yoko, but I've done a lot of work on Courtney Love, no doubt. Yeah. So was Courtney by all accounts appears to have been inserted into this scene or inserted herself into the scene somehow and became a fixture rolling, you know, kind of Roman from Billy Corgan to Kurt Cobain and sort of intertwined in this whole operation and then Kurt was dead. Yeah. She's been she had been doing that from a very young age. That kind of work. I mean, like 16 or 17, basically. So what happened was so again with Yoko, it's Yoko John Lennon thought he was losing his mind on acid stopped it for a year or two. And then she Yoko Ono and his publicist who I show had links to all these what peer to be US intelligence created bands. They convinced John Lennon to trip again, even though he thought he was losing his mind on acid and stopped for a year or two. And then a new book came out by journalists was close with Lennon and Yoko Ono saying that Yoko Ono introduced heroin to John Lennon. So then you go you jump to the 90s, as you say, and you got this Courtney Love who grew up with Hank Harrison, who was the one time manager of the what was the Grateful Dead. They were called the warlocks. Then when they first started and the warlocks or Grateful Dead were intimately in mob with all these acid tests that were attended by loads of M. Kylchra scientists. So they appear to be a front band for the for US intelligence, the way they spread acid. But here's Hank Harrison with this new child is his girlfriend at the time who we had the child with the what didn't stay close with. And she, her mother was an abused adopted daughter of a super wealthy parents. These wealth super wealthy parents had major stock in Boston, Long had stock in uranium, you know, had ownership of uranium mines. And the mother was abused. This is said in her memoir that she had been abused by her father, her fire alcohol super wealthy father. They took control of Courtney Love and took full custody by paying off the lawyer for Hank Harrison so that they could completely control Courtney Love's upbringing. They said the memoir of Courtney Love's mother. She in that memoir, she says that Courtney was receiving counseling from the age of about three years old onwards and she thought that she had been had experienced some sexual abuse. And but other, you know, and other accounts by the biological father said that she Courtney Love ends up in a kind of juvenile detention facility and writes letters to Hank Harrison to get her out of there. Biological father get her out of that juvenile detention facility after he had lost all custody of her. He gets her out of there and in the letters though that she had written to him. She said, all my counselors for all these years have been having sex with me. And and she also said, they've been giving me all these drugs and she named them second all two and all these exotic drugs that are we were in them culture documents are found to be drugs used for hypnosis and causing. You know, you know, helping hypnosis and possibly being involved with dissociative disorder and programming. You know, what's called programming these days. And so programming is really creating a dissociative identity disorder and or hypnosis with drugs to call someone to be able to do something that they don't remember doing in an alternate alternate kind of personality. But I'll get into that later in a few more minutes. But so this is her what she was. And so he gets he gets her out of this juvenile facility at 13 years old and all of a sudden she's prostituting herself using all kinds of drugs heroin and other drugs, leaving needles in his basement to the point that his his wife at the time said, we can't keep her here. We can't have these heroin needles in the bait, you know, lying on the floor in the basement. We're stepping on this is terrible. So they had to kick her out. She's prostituting in all these places and but he kept in touch with her and then he was doing research in Dublin, Ireland, and she came and visit him when she was six. She was 16 and just turned 17. And he said she continued prostituting on the streets of Dublin when she visited him. But a guy had befriended him there in Ireland, Dublin, Ireland. And his name was Stephen O'Leary. And he started having sex with her with the 17 year old Courtney Love. And then he takes her to England and takes her to London, London to Liverpool, where all these musicians are rising up. And she brought a thousand hits of very strong acid, according to biographies of her. And she distributed it all over the place along with other drugs and really messed up a lot of British bands with that. And that duplicates what Robert Lashbrook did in the sixties. And so she continues to see she duplicates that same behavior and she's sleeping with a lot of different musicians messing up families, messing up their their situation, messing up bands. Almost had the member, the drummer from the Pogues get divorced by his his wife. Not that he wasn't bad to do that himself, but she continues the same pattern of behavior throughout the United States, through punk rock scenes throughout the United States in Portland, Oregon, in Los Angeles, and then Seattle, of course. Now, when she's doing that first in England, she's Stephen O'Leary is being helped by his brother, Kevin O'Leary. And I found the backup for that from Hank Harrison's count of that by the fact that the obituary for Stephen O'Leary counts Kevin O'Leary as the brother. And on his deathbed, Stephen O'Leary said, yes, I when I was sleeping, you know, when I was escorting, you know, sleeping with escorting Courtney Love round England, I is actually at that time I had been working for the US intelligence. I wasn't a spy per se, but I had to report to the US Embassy once a week to give reports. So obviously he was spying. Obviously he was, you know, whatever, you know, officially for CIA or wherever else he was spying. And and so she, you know, duplicates these activities of lash book. She messes up, you know, punk music scenes. She gets married to the top LA punk rocker who then divorces her saying she was some crazed right winger. And, you know, it hired thugs to beat him up when he didn't do what she said. And then she goes to Seattle and latches herself on to, of course, Kirk Cobain. And she, you know, copied the idea of, OK, get drugs in these musicians hands, disrupt them, have them inadvertently promote drugs. And then, you know, really divert their their best work and hurt their best work while at the same time, you know, having them promote these drugs. And so she did the same thing with Kurt Cobain, obviously. And he inadvertently promoted heroin until he sobered up about a year before his death. He said he found a cure for his stomach problem that was contributing to him, to starting that heroin with Courtney Love for the first time regularly. And, you know, a month before his death, they said an autopsy report said that he had no illicit drugs in the system whatsoever. You know, which kind of goes against the story of him being down on, you know, out of his mind on drugs and depressed and ending at all. Was there any indication that the that the other guys in the band had any sort of knowledge of what was going on? Did they, I mean, I don't think they have good relationships with Courtney Love. Were they aware of this? Or I mean, did was she just viewed as being a psychotic girlfriend or was she viewed as something a little bit more dangerous than that? I think I don't think they really knew what she was all about. I think they viewed her as a psychotic girlfriend, but it's hard to know for sure what they were thinking. But they were kind of forced to make up with her to get any kind of access to any kind of music. But she basically kept most things from them. And, you know, he was divorcing her before he died. And I, you know, of course, have that in the film. And of course, then she gave, you know, Eldon Hoek, that musician, Eldon Hoek, that's all St. Angel's musician, she offered him 50 grand to kill Kurt Cobain, her husband. And I show how the FBI was given evidence of that and purposely ignored it and says not in my jurisdiction, though, I show the evidence that it really wasn't a jurisdiction. And so, and then I show the how she's hanging out with Kevin O'Leary in one video and, you know, and so, yeah, so I guess Kevin O'Leary of Shark Tank. Right now, I don't know if it's the same Kevin O'Leary, but Hank Harrison had said when I, that it looked like the one Kevin O'Leary he knew from way back when. And that, you know, it was about the same age as the Kevin O'Leary he knew. So he wasn't totally sure, but he said that's what appears to be the same Kevin O'Leary. He just wasn't sure when I, when I talked to him in an interview. Yeah. So we, we've seen the work of drugs in Hollywood. And, and I would suggest it has never really stopped. I'm sure it's still going on right now, but now we're seeing this new divergence from reality, the trans agenda. And we're starting to see that the psych, the drugs that you talk about the maps program, psychedelics, MDMA. And the role with the trans agenda. What does that look like? Yeah, I can't say I know that much about the trans agenda. It's, it's just a, it's a whole different phenomenon. I, so I haven't researched that. I haven't studied that. It's, it's something that, yeah, just, you know, it's, it's sad for the people that grow up trans that just aren't sure about their identity. I don't know if they feel better when they go through the transsexual operations. Some people say they don't. I don't know. Maybe they do. I just don't know. I don't know about enough about that. Yeah. Feels like it, when I see it, it feels like a, like a Tavistock operation, right? Like, like, the, the trying to all of a sudden, like it was nowhere for the most part. And then all of a sudden it was everywhere and it feels very much like it's being made to happen that, that this is, you know, the new, the new thing. If you're questioning who, you know, maybe you don't have friends or you're unsure about yourself. Yeah. Maybe you need to. It's, it's different. I, it's not something obviously, you know, used to appear to be, you know, about my age, 59 years old or close to it. And we didn't grow up with that. So it is different. I don't, I don't know what to make of it. It's, it's very different for sure. And, you know, I, I like to be sympathetic and I am, I think, but I just, I, it is a little scary to think that someone might get changed. They're sexual or, you know, sexual, I mean, you know, get a sexual transformation with surgery before they're reached puberty because they just don't think they're emotionally enough. Sure, you know, to what they like to be until they reach puberty and they emotionally mature as well as physically mature. But so it's just so hard to know what to think about that. I do know that a lot of priests have made a lot of young people question their sexuality by committing sexual abuse against them. That's why I cover, you know, that situation happened in the Emmy nominated documentary series, The Keepers. That was on Netflix with this father, Joseph Maskell in, in, you know, Baltimore, raping hundreds of girls at this archer, pure high school and boys at other, in other locations. And while he was working as Lieutenant Colonel in the Air National Guard and was also a chaplain for the state police and the Baltimore County police and the end was chaplain at Fort Mead with home of the National Security Agency. And so this guy was using M. K. Altra tactics and using, you know, drugs, particularly LSD along with hypnosis and its victims. When I gave all the evidence to Gemma Hoskins, Lee, the investigator in the Keepers series of, you know, of Father Maskell, she re-interviewed these victims from the Keepers and they said, yes, we felt like we were programmed. We felt like we were hypnotized and drugged and we might have done some horrible things in alternate egos and it's really scary to us. And she gave me the number of one victim who I interviewed and show in the film. We've talked about Father Maskell even mentioning, yes, the CIA is watching, you know, the CIA is watching you and I'm trying to protect you. And she felt like she was hypnotized and drugged and given a, you know, she all of a sudden found herself an expert with guns, even though she never thought she touched a gun in her life. And so this is some of the stuff that was going on. So your, but your work in counseling people, I would assume put you in a position to really have some, an understanding of how the human mind works, right? And how you can fragment a mind. And it sounds, you know, to, to, to somebody who does not have that, it's might sound, you know, kind of hard to comprehend. But what is that process like of, of fragmentation? So it can happen at any age, but it's easiest to do it when, when young people are between three and eight years old. That it's easiest for it to happen, I should say. It's really horrible that it happens really, but between three and eight years old, the mind is the most vulnerable, the brain is most vulnerable. And so I do show in my film, um, two women who said that when they were between, when they were about five or six years old, and I have another woman in my film, you know, say when she was between five or six years old that, um, these women in my film in one section say, uh, say this in a presidential's advisory committee meeting conference held by President Clinton's administration, um, about human experimentation. And they testify with their, um, counselor who said this was part of MK ultra. This was done to these, um, you know, my patients, they, here's what they're testifying. They said they, they escaped their cage and one escaped a cage who was held in, got into the documents room and, and found all the documents that what was going with their being experimented on how they were. And they were, uh, being experimented on and made into CIA assets for, um, sexual black male and all against, you know, for p against people and stuff like that. But, um, so, um, so in my work, you know, as I say, between three and eight years old, when they, when someone gets seriously sexually abused or traumatized, it can, uh, the mind can be so, you know, in so much pain that splits into two. It's not remember that horrible stuff that happened. So one part of the mind, um, does remember it basically, but the other part doesn't. The most conscious part regularly does, you know, doesn't remember it. And so it causes that what we used to be called split personality or, you know, multiple personality. If it's, you know, what happens, maybe more trauma and, uh, but now it's called dissociative identity disorder. Um, but it can also cause, cause dissociative disorder where you're in one conscious state, but then you can be in a few. Where you don't remember what's happening when you're in the fugue state, but either way, it's different versions of, uh, dissociative disorder and dissociative identity. Disorders, the most extreme version where you have a whole different other identity and whole different other, you know, way of living and being, uh, other than your, your original self. And, um, you know, you can cause multiple personality disorder where you have even three or four or five different identities. Um, but this usually happens from trauma and early age. Now with drugs and hypnosis, you can cause this to happen at later, a teenage has had, has happened to the teen girls that this was done to by Father Joseph mask. And I was in a school and other priests over, over, uh, Maryland that were within his network. And so I show the, the, um, connections between him and MK ultra, not to his tactics, to institutions, through his connections with. And, um, he was a black male, just like the Epstein network and was doing using it for black male. And, um, this is some of, you know, and the way C. I am, Kielch was doing it for black male to get done, you know, what they wanted to do with black male. And president, you know, he was a black male, you know, he was a black male. And so this is some of, you know, and the way C. I am Kielch was doing it for black male to get done, you know, what they wanted to do with black male and presence of universities to get things done through universities, black male, all kinds of people, politicians to get things done in politics. They wanted to get done, et cetera. Wow. So in the absence of early, uh, young age, uh, sexual trauma, let's say you're somebody, let's say you're Sirhan Sirhan, right? Right. You go a little bit later in life, maybe you don't, maybe you do, maybe you don't have the sexual trauma, but they catch him later on and they can get similar results with drugs, hypnosis and possible if needed some trauma to, to get him to do what he did. Yeah. And, and I, you know, of course I have in the film, uh, C. I hypnotist, um, explain that with enough hypnosis and drugs, you can get someone to do anything you want. And, um, that narrator of a film about him, uh, said he admitted, ended up admitting to prostitutes to service them regularly that, that he had in fact hypnotized Sirhan Sirhan. He boasted about to the prostitutes. Yeah. There's so much in this movie. It, it's, it's over two hours long. It's packed with information. Bayer Aspirin from the people who brought you heroin. I love it. It's funny. It's funny in the, in the sense that, uh, you have to laugh at the, uh, at the darkness of this all to keep from crying, but, um, it's well worth watching. What's the best place for people to go to, to find this movie and, and also the, the books, the book and the, and the, the first version drugs as a weapon. Yeah. So you can find them all and you can buy my CIA drugs or us film and the drugs weapons against this film. You can see a free one to be you could, um, buy it with the DVD with 18 plus extra bonus seem minutes on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Target and even Walmart, believe it or not website. But you can, uh, it's, you can buy it without ads on YouTube movies rental or, um, there's a Google play. Um, and, uh, it's only actually 10 other digital platforms, which I can't remember all the names of, but, um, you can find most of them on my website, john potash.com. That's John potash, everybody. He came back to, to fill us in on the long history of MK ultra and we appreciate it. We've been all over the topic of MK ultra lately. So this is, this was a, uh, this was a perfect fit. It's great to see you again. And if you guys want to check in with me, the best way to do that, the website macroaggressions.io. Thanks everybody. We'll talk to you again soon. This episode sponsored by Eureka ergonomic. Most people with a home office share a common problem. 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