NFL Draft Check-In with Ryan Wilson: Burning Questions About Top Prospects, Favorite Sleepers & MORE

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Well, that's cool. No, you don't understand. It went perfectly. Real offer, down to the penny. They're picking it up tomorrow. Nothing went wrong. So what's the problem? That is the problem. Nothing in my life goes to smoothie. I'm waiting for the catch. Maybe there's no catch. That's exactly what a catch would want me to think. Wow, you need to relax. I need to knock on wood. Do we have wood? Is this table wood? I think it's laminated. Okay, yeah, that's good. That's close enough. Car selling without a catch. So your car today on Carvana. Pick up these may apply. Welcome back to the Cover 3 podcast with your hosts, Chip Patterson, Tom Furnelli, Danny Cannell, and Bob Elliott. It's your call for the best college football coverage from National Signing Day to the National Championship and everything in between. CBS Sports presents the Cover 3 podcast. And welcome back to the Cover 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Furnelli. That's Ryan Wilson. That's Danny Cannell. I'm Chip Patterson, coming to you live at youtube.com. And everywhere you get your podcasts on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe, smash that like, and come and join us in the chat, AKA the Cover 3 tailgate, where Ryan's got some questions for Ryan and all of us, where Jeffrey's got some questions, Davis got some questions, Joey has some questions. But first, and that is Ryan Wilson, of course, NFL Draft Expert for CBS Sports. As you can see from the headline of this episode, we're gonna be going all in about a week out. The things that he's seeing, talking about some prospects, good friend for a long, long time, always enjoy these visits. But first, at 10, 23 a.m. Eastern Time, somebody came in with a review from one of our own, Chris McLeod jumping in and saying, Danny, appreciate you coming out to support the golf tournament on Monday. It was well said amongst many groups that you were one of, if not the most engaging celebrity there. Celebrity is doing a lot of work, but the rest of it is about with the straight up good dude that I know that you are. Tell us about Monday. It must have been a great time, obviously. Vibes are great. Phenomenal time. The only thing I'm a little upset about from a man, Chris, I thought you asked if we could throw up his comment on here. I thought I was gonna say how I had the best golf swing of any celebrity that was there. And the bar is very low with some of the celebrities there. Chris is a great dude. Known him for a while, caught up with him again there. We were at Lake Nona Golf Club, which several PGA tour guys live out in the course. It was a gorgeous day. The event is put on by Florida Citrus Sports. They run the Citrus Bowl and others. And it's always run really, really well. And Chris is always there helping out with them too. So it was a great day. Gorgeous. I usually contend with my foursome. We usually contend. We were not in the running this tournament. We were not in the running, but a great group. It was a great group. It was called was it? Yeah, I was about to say. You know, it wasn't mine. I mean, come on, Tom. I mean, not a question is that, you know, I'm not taking the blame for that one, but we had a great time. We had a good time. Did your dead weight make up for it with a good attitude? Yes. Our attitudes were excellent. We had an absolute blast. That's all that matters. That is, especially in a situation like that. Yes. Great to hear from you, Chris. We appreciate your support. And glad that everything went well there. So a couple of items that I wanted to be sure to get through here today. Now, Ryan has released his final big board. No one's going to make him do it again. What's done is done. What's said is said. That is the final big board. We'll run through some mock draft takeaways, as we've told you throughout this process. Tom also doing some mock drafts for CBS Sports.com. Ryan and I attended a couple of NFL drafts together in New York City back in the day. And one of our favorite activities in the early stages was trying to figure out the smoke screen versus what's real. So maybe before we get out of here, we'll do a little bit of draft buzz. But just as a general, Ryan, thank you so much for taking some time out of your Wednesday. What is the next week or so look like for you? How are you feeling now that we've reached this point in the process? Hey, the haze in the barn, right? So there's not anything else that's going to change. You guys would know and appreciate this. What I'm doing now are looking at guys that have a chance. Typically, I try to watch everyone that gets drafted and I'll miss out on guys, just because you don't know about them. Like Hippolyte last year that went to your Bears. Tom, that was sort of a left one out of left field there. But I went back and watched because this young man is taking like 12, 30 visits. Athon Kelly Mackis Kelly Mackinac. Oh, yeah. Man, it's the great practice. Yeah. So this guy, he may not get drafted, but I was talking to some teams about him. What do you think, Chip? Oh, I keep keep going. Oh, yeah. I was surprised NFL teams are interested given the arm talent. He is fun, man. Like he reminds me a little bit of Aiden O'Connell who was the fourth or fifth round picker, whatever. And he only got like a hula bowl invite or American Bowl. Didn't get a big bowl invite. No combine. So I'm looking through the list saying, OK, why is this guy going everywhere? And teams are like sometimes we just recruit players who we think maybe won't get drafted. We want them to have basically like college recruiting used to be have a good impression when we pick up the phone and call them after the draft. But there's also a chance he gets drafted late, even though no one has been talking about him. So if he gets drafted, I will have him covered. But right now, everything's done and you're just trying to sort through to what you said earlier, the smoke screen and the nonsense for the next eight days here. I love it. I think I think the Greek rifle is somebody who's a great name. Can I call him that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Greek rifle is legit. Yeah, yeah. Well, because we all didn't want to say Cali Aquinas. So it's just easier to say Greek rifle, you know? But he's a perfect example of somebody who's been, who hasn't had the best supporting cast around him. Right? And so you often wonder, like if you get him in a workout, he could totally impress because his armed talents off the charts, he's big, he's physical. And so I think that's where teams, you go watch the tape, you're like, man, he'd have a lot of chance a lot of these times. Right. And when he did have a pretty good pocket, he was able to make some big throws. So I think he's very intriguing. That's a good one. Yeah, that was a Shibani slinger. I was talking about him last year. He took a huge step forward. Like he was like, if you go back to his earlier career, like he was very much what you would expect from a Rutgers quarterback, where he was averaging like six yards per attempt, like a one and a half to one touchdown to interception ratio. But like last year, he really kind of like, they were really dependent on him. And that offensive line was not great. Actually the last two years where he was pretty much the Rutgers offense for a big part. So I'm not shocked that once NFL teams started getting their eyes on him, maybe a little bit more that they've started to, you know, especially compared to the rest of this quarterback class. I'm not that surprised by it. Yeah, there's, as Tom mentioned, so before he had Kyle Minungai, right? And so what are you going to do? You're going to, if you're going to give the ball to Minungai, he's like, this is the best, the best possible player that we could have on this team right now. Their defense kind of stunk this year. So they needed him to get back and really sling it. So it was, I'm not surprised that he's starting to jump up the board. Okay. Speaking of board, one of my, one piece that you have introduced that I thought was very interesting and I'd love to hear you expand on, is that when you're putting the final touches on your big board, you also go back and you look at your preseason big board, you know, and it can be instructive, right? It can kind of tell you how things have changed along the way. It's always fun. There's going to be a lot of players that are going to have way different valuations. So I guess it just sort of get us started and as we start to dive into your final big board, what were some of the biggest changes from the preseason big board to what you have now? So I was stubborn over the summer because I wasn't, Arch had only played two games, I think, coming into last year. So I was going to pump the brakes on Arch. So I think I had a ninth on my preseason big board just because I wanted to see. And obviously didn't start off well and got better and thankfully he returned to school. I did and I was actually sort of surprised. I had Fernando at 15. So I feel pretty good about that. And I remember watching him at Cal going, okay, this guy has no support. You talk about the Greek rifle having no support. He was just taking a beating at Cal, but still making some pretty good throws. So I was pretty excited about that. Let me see what else I had there because I try to try to block out a lot of that. Oh boy. I see Carson. Well, first of all, while you look, I want to say that I'm happy that you had Fernando there because last week I unleashed a bold prediction about Indiana that had them losing three games and, you know, we put the clip out. And I've heard from a lot of Indiana fans who told me that before Fernando came to Indiana and they developed him, nobody knew who he was. And I'm sitting there like he was literally in first round Mockdrafts and kind of projected to be going in the first round before he ever signed with Indiana. But okay, sure. Tell yourself what you need to. Yeah. I found Tom in my experience that people on the internet get very angry about things. They didn't know they were supposed to be angry about until two minutes before. That helps me. Helps me cope. So I had Peter Woods, number one. I'm still on the Peter Woods train. I don't care. He had, he had short arms. I think he only jumped 29 inches, which isn't great for a defensive lineman. And I know everyone at Clemson, except for maybe Blake Miller didn't have a great year. I think he's the best defensive lineman in this class. So I still have him as a top 10 guy. I sort of made a bet on Keldrick Falk. Keldrick Falk still hasn't reached his potential. Also a fun fact, I found that he's actually a year older than what we had been saying. So he's actually going to be 22 in August. So he doesn't even have the benefit of being a little bit younger. I still love Caleb Downs. I still think he's one of the best players in this class. And I'll just say this, someone told me this the other day I was talking about some players and they said, if you just add 10 spots to this draft class in terms of where players are taking. It makes more sense in other draft classes because we're hearing that this draft class isn't that great. So if you have Caleb Downs as your number five, add 10. He's a 15, a 15 range pick in previous drafts that maybe are a little deeper. And there's Arch there as I look through this. Here's another Clemson guy that I liked a lot. He got hurt early on and I thought he had really good tape in 24, but obviously didn't come together. Antonio Williams, the wide receiver. I think he has a chance to be a day two guy and just people like, oh, where'd this guy come from? Kind of knew I had an enlist is sort of a hedge bet, but he got hurt. I think he's going to be a day two guy. I'll tell you, we, uncle, I thought never really hit the ground running last year and thankfully he returned to school. So, you know, I'll give myself like a B minus on this chip. I feel it could have been worse than the preseason big board. So, you know, I'm okay with this. What about now that you've made the adjustments to the final one where what's got you, what's got you going when you're looking at, how about this? Let's, let's turn the tables on this. Danny, as you're looking here, what jumps out looking at the big board and what you see, thank you, Mikey, for bringing this up on, on youtube.com slash cover three. He, we've already heard Ryan talk about the, the Peter Woods approach. We've got the consensus big board ranking going up against Ryan's big board ranking. So mostly in line with the consensus for a couple of these up in the top dozen. But Peter Woods being another one there. Either high or low. What, what stands out to you, Danny? It's right here. My first glance, Jeremiah Love at 11. I, I'm surprised you have him that low. I think there's some, I mean, I think I've heard some of people thinking he could go top five. Brian Kelly was doing some, some work with us on CBS sports network. The other night said he's the best player he's ever coached like period. I'll be surprised if, and some of the moves that were made in the free agency with teams that are selecting past four, I think we're signing running backs in the thought that maybe they wouldn't have a chance at Jeremiah Love. So I'll be surprised if he slides this far. I'm with you. I agree with all that. I still think he, I have him slotted here for a couple of reasons. I go back to this and I'll ask you guys if you want to go through the exercise or if not, you can say no. But if you're ranking the, the running backs coming out the last few years, rank him in order. Seyquan, Bijan, Jameer Gibbs, Gentie, Jeremiah Love. I know what my order is and it's reflective in this list, but you guys may feel differently. And coming out of college, not the poor season that Gentie had last year. Don't let that affect your, your rankings. Seyquan, Love, Gibbs, Gentie. Bijan, what about you? I'm sorry, Bijan would be ahead of Love. So Love would be third. I think I'd have him somewhere in there too. And just as, as the keeper of receipts, Tom did say on the cover three podcast, Jeremiah Love over Gentie in the year that Gentie was a Heisman runner up. Oh, okay. Nice, Tom. Well done. Yeah. I, I had Jeremiah, they're all grouped together and you could, you know, throw a dart and hit a name and be fine with it. But if ask me to make incremental judgments, I have Jeremiah bringing up the rear in a list full of fantastic players. So that's why I have them lower. That's, that's the long answer to the question, Danny. What about a little bit further down? Do you find yourself agreeing or disagreeing in a way that makes you emboldened or uncomfortable? You know, like, yeah, right, right, right. Like this exercise, all of a sudden you real, you go through it, then you slot, you see the results of slotting it against the consensus, which, which spots do you find you're like, okay, I'm, I am standing 10 toes down on this one. You know, well, Kayla Banks, there's a discrepancy there. It's all because of injury. There's also some injury stuff with the team. Mezzanord, he's obviously older. Keldrick Faulk is a projection. I still, it pains me that I get Tyree Wilson vibes from him. He's younger coming out, but you just wanted to put it together. You haven't seen it. I don't know if you're, I don't want to get you, I want you to get carpal tunnel, Mikey, but I'll bring Carson back up. Like Carson Beck, I think is 70s. He's standing that far down. Ben said carpal tunnel to go find Carson. Because I, I was so down on Carson back when he left Georgia and talking to people there that were okay to see him leave. Yeah, there is a 77. All right, give your hand to break there, Mikey, because that was a lot of work. But in the, during the pre-jab process, and I know her games fans get so mad at how that season ended. And Carson Beck has an explanation for what happened on the interception, but it doesn't matter. But teams like him, he's super smart. He's big. He's every, he was actually bigger than Fernando until Fernando gained 10 pounds prior to his pro day. Like he's bigger than Drew Aller, 65, 233. His arm's fine. We were at the pro day. His arm looks as good as advertised, if not better. And he's a guy who can come in if you need him to start for three or four games. I think he can get it done. Is he a future franchise quarterback? Probably not. But I think he's a day two guy, and I like him better than most people. Some teams think he's probably going to fall into day three, and I'm just, for some reason, perhaps blindly back on the, on the Carson Beck trade. Yeah, I think that could be a high end backup or a low end starter. I, I, his arm might be, I don't think his arm is fantastic to begin with. Like I, I think it's perfectly serviceable, but you can work for the serviceable arm at the NFL level if, if you know what you're doing and you're accurate enough. So I mean, I, I can see Carson Beck finding a role, but yeah, there's a reason he's not really being discussed as a first round pick. But I also feel like part of the thing with the quarterbacks in this class, I think everybody's pretty solid on Mendoza being number one. I know there are some disagreements out there, but after that, I really do think it's a personal preference, whatever you kind of are looking for for your offense, because I think they're like, the second and third tiers are pretty much all smashed together for me in this quarterback class. And I don't even think Fernando's that separate as a first tier guy from the rest of this class. Oh, that's, that's a hot take. I, um, well, address that in a sec. I do want to hit Carson Beck because it was not that long ago, before his final year at Georgia, that almost every mock draft had him go in top five. Yeah. You know, like, and I was kind of with you, like, I need to see a little bit more. And then he kind of just vanished because, and I believe he, when the, a five star, I mean, I went to Georgia, I'm sure he was pretty highly recruited. He's a big guy. He's got the, he looks like a franchise quarterback. So, and I think he's, I think he's come a long way from the negative. And I even, I had a negative perception of him because of what I was like, why would Georgia let him walk? You know, why would, and you know, there wasn't, wasn't a lot of love, a lot of love lost when he left Georgia. But man, he picked up the system pretty quick at Miami. And I remember watching that Notre Dame game thinking, man, I could be wrong on Carson Beck. Like he looks really comfortable. He's seeing the field really well. He's getting through the right reads. The decision making and crunch time when there are three losses are all ending on Carson Beck interceptions. Yeah. That one stings. But I still think like the, the physical skill set is good enough to where I kind of agree with you. I think third round is probably a pretty sweet spot. Now, would I be shocked if he drops the fourth round? No, but I think all of these quarterbacks aside from Fernanda, this is where I disagree with Tom, I think all of them, Ty Simpson too, like where they go will determine if they have 10 year careers or not. Because if some of them are forced early into playing and they're all the sudden put out there on a bad team that's not really good, doesn't have a great supporting cast, I could see him being out of the league in five years, you know, four or five years, just not really panning out. But if you put them in the right spot and they get to sit and wait potentially behind a Matthew Stafford in LA somewhere, you know, somewhere like that, or a Pittsburgh, if Aaron Rogers ever decides he's coming back and you get to watch and learn from a veteran like that in a stable organization with a good offensive staff, then I think you could see them parlay those opportunities into a really nice NFL career. Yeah, I agree. And Tom, I sort of overlooked Ty Simpson. So your contention is that they're perhaps a little closer than the rest of the group? I mean, I don't think it's a wide vast difference. Like if I look at Mendoza, I think he's clearly the best quarterback in his class. It's just I don't think that if you're looking for the ceiling of what he could be, or if you're comparing him to quarterbacks in recent classes, I don't think he's at the top of those boards. Like if he came out last year, he might have been the fourth guy taken, you know what I mean? So I think that there's a reason he's going to go number one. And I think there's a very good chance he's going to be a good starting quarterback for the Raiders. I just don't know if he's going to be somebody we look at five years from now is that guy's one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. That's typically what you're looking for with a number one overall pick. And every year at this time, we talk ourselves into the next guy being the next guy. And rarely does that happen. I'll say this though, since I'm, you know, making you guys all play games. Last year's class, I've talked to people that 50 50 split on whether they take Fernando over Cam Ward. I think I'm leaning cam. The previous class, I'm being honest with myself. It's just the players coming out. It'd be Caleb, Jane Daniels, Drake May, but I might be talked into Fernando over Drake May because you guys remember Drake May's last season at UNC wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. There are a lot of questions about teams leading rusher. So if I'm being honest, Fernando might have been QB three or QB four in that class ahead of JJ and Panix and, and, and Bo Dex. Yeah. Last year, I would have cam ahead of Fernando for sure. And then the year before with like the Caleb's and those guys, that's what I'm sorry. I said last year he'd have been fourth or fifth two years ago. He'd have been fourth or right last year. He probably would have been second or third. I think cam war debates pretty good one though. Yeah. And cam war did struggle with some, you know, getting a little bit loose with the football. Dynamic playmaker made all the throws, but I think if you were having this debate in a true, like open draft mock draft season, I think you start, you could really talk yourself into Fernando Mendoza being the safer pick. Yeah. Maybe cam war has a little bit more upside, but I think, I think you might see a consensus where it's Mendoza over ward. I trust ward more when things break down than I do Fernando. Sure. Well, how many times did they break down at Indiana? They didn't break down that often. And then he was able to it's late to be fair. Like that touchdown he scored in the title game, the play broke down. He made that happen on his own. It's just as far as athletes go, Fernando is good enough with his feet to avoid things and move, but he's not somebody I like, I'm scared of if he gets out in the open field, whereas if cam ward needs to run, I feel like cam ward can go pick up a first down pretty easy. And there was a there was just a certain excitement quality because wasn't there three second half comebacks for cam in the 10 win season at Miami? They were trailing against Duke. They were trailing against Virginia Tech. I mean, there was just a bunch of these games where it was just he had to lead them all the way back. And that was a exciting piece. But it was, do you say how, because there were mistakes early, right? And that's where you sort of like graded all along the way. So you said 50-50 from people you're talking to in terms of how they would do cam and Fernando? Yeah. And I get both sides. And I'm sort of with Tom, I'm leaning cam. The thing is, Fernando's arm was much better in person at the pro date than I thought. And like I said, he gained about 10 pass. He looked pretty good. But, you know, I think we forget how much growth cam had after leaving Washington state and going to Miami because he was a lot of the issues a year ago, or 18 months ago now was can cam play in the pocket, can can can can play on time. And he sort of showed those things. But, and I know Indiana sort of runs a funky offense. But when you meet Fernando, the talking points in the fall were, okay, he's too quirky to be a locker room guy. And then you talk to folks in the league like, Oh, he's just Kirk Cousins. And when Kirk Cousins is balling out, no one had any trouble with Kirk Cousins, Kirk Couchains or whatever the nickname is. Oh, people don't know what this is. Like no one cared, right? My other hot take is this. And I've said this since like December. My I'm taking Charlie Becker over Ryan Williams in the first round, if I have to take a wide receiver, not named Jeremiah Smith next year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. I thought I was expecting more reaction. You have to get in these college streets. And that's Ryan Williams Coleman to you now. Right? I think it's Ryan Coleman Williams, right? Ryan Coleman. Yeah. You're right. I'm out. You're okay. You are not going to be twisting the arms of a college fan at this moment. Breaking news here, Chip. No, no, no, no. I'm not even saying can you take them off our hands this year? Right. Right. Yes. I feel like the biggest difference between Becker and Williams right now at the receiver position is Becker can catch the football. Yes, that helps. Is Williams faster? Yes. Yeah. Probably not. I don't, you know what? He might not be as much faster as you think. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point, Tom. Yeah. Anyway, I thought I was on to something. All right. I'll come back with something better. No, no, no, no, no. I listen to keep this. This is why this is fun. And then after once you have like a few days to let your brain sort of leak out all the 2026 information, we'll bring you back on here to the cover three podcast and we'll get the conversation going about 2027 with the way too early lookaheads. I have another Mendoza question for you, Ryan. Are NFL teams at all concerned about the cover of Esquire this month? I haven't seen it and I haven't heard it. Oh, it's Fernando looking dapper on the cover. It's got like a suit on and like a big overcoat. And then the headline is, and then God created Fernando Mendoza, a quarterback to believe in. If you're rating on the Tom Brady Goat picture scale, where is that on one to 10? I'd say it's a four and a half compared to that photo. But I do think the fact that like if Tom Brady had any doubts at all about drafting Fernando Mendoza, Esquire comes out and Tom's like, that's my guy right there. Right. Right. Right. That just confirms what he thought all the time. Now, I'm not worried about that. I don't think. I will say this. Fernando, you know, we live in a world where you have to sort of pick sides and you have to, you know, I hate that team or that player, that coach. I think Fernando Mendoza might be my favorite person on planet earth in athletics. Like I just love everything about Fernando Mendoza. And I'm not an Indiana fan. I'm not necessarily a, you know, Mendoza fan, but I just love like his post game pep talks, man. I'm like, all right, let's, let's do this. I just fully and utterly support for you. A LinkedIn update that he had just won the national championship was fantastic. You know, here's what winning the national title taught me about B2B sales. I'm just now I'm just now seeing this Esquire photo shoot in real time. Have you guys seen all the photos here? Yeah. The one at the water fountain is, uh, oh, yeah, is alarming. Look, it's a good shoot. Otherwise I'll have to take some time later. Ryan D. D. Augustino. No relation. I don't think to, uh, Jacqueline, right? Spell differently. I'll have to check that out sometime. All right, Ryan, you were saying you were having some conversations about judging previous classes before we hit a break, take some listener questions and continue the conversation. I'm curious if Ty Simpson or anybody else in that quarterback conversation, as you're talking to people with playing the same game, where would they rank in previous classes? You know, you can throw Fernando in all those. So I guess maybe from your own eye or your own judgment, like what would Ty Simpson or what would like some of these other quarterbacks from the 2026 class, what would they have been in 2025 or 2024? Yeah, that's a great question because I haven't gone that far down the list with Ty, but I'll tell you just thinking about it right now. I'm taking Ty over Jackson Dart last year. Giant straight back into 25 to get Jackson. I had Jackson as a second round pick. Did you like Jackson a year ago, Danny? I did. I like Jackson. I had him as QB number two. I thought it was, see, I think Jackson Dart, we're going to have this little debate, I think later on CBS Sports HQ with the lovely producer, Noah Mendele. Um, I think what's that? Does Ryan have to be at 1150? I believe he's on with us. I think so. Yeah. Um, he's going to pop over on zoom that is I got to run down in the studio. Um, so I thought, so you tell him, so I think Jackson Dart had bigger arm. I thought he was more athletic and I think he's got a better body. Yeah, I'll give you all those things. I think Tom and I talked about Jackson before, maybe not my concern with, with Jackson is that he refuses to play on time. Ty Simpson has only played 15 games and here's the thing and this is, you know, you can write this down, Danny, because it doesn't, it doesn't support my argument. The players drafted in the first round who've made 15 or fewer starts, Mr. Biscay, Dwayne Haskins, yeah, Anthony Richardson, and the asterisk is Cam Newton, but Cam played at Blaine Community College after he had to leave Florida, I think, right? And then he came back and obviously pulled out. So that's a concern, but the counter is that Tyson's 23, Tyson's 23, his dad's a coach. And when you see him play and over the first two months of the season, the month and a half of season, we were having who is QB one conversations. I like Jackson Dart. I'm just concerned about the hits he's taken and his refusal to play on time. And that's it. Yeah, the thing with Jackson Dart is how long will he survive playing the way that he plays? My hottest take about Ty Simpson is what he, and he ignored it. Clearly, I wrote he should, he was going to get invited to the green room and I told him to turn down the invite. Yeah, because you might be watching them. There are, it's a storyline. They're clearly setting up. So it's like he either gets drafted and find cool or he doesn't get drafted and they turn him into Shaddour. Right. So I told him he should stay at home, but he doesn't care what I think apparently. So I think he has a chance to go in the first round. I think he has a chance. He definitely does. He also has a chance to go in the third round. Oh, I don't think there's any way he drops that far. I'd be shocked to get to the third. No, I don't. I know, I know their teams will like him. I know the Steelers like him. And then the question becomes, this is a 21 and Steelers fans hate that idea. I know the Jets like him. And then, but the question becomes, are you taking him to 16 or I think they have 33 or 34 or whatever. And when no one talks about the Cardinals, Cardinals don't have any quarterbacks on their roster. So they have to figure that out as well. But your larger point, Danny, earlier. Opportunity cost. Do you want to draft Ty Simpson this year or would you rather just go Owen 15 or Owen 17 this year and then take one of the quarterbacks available next year? All right. That's why I think Logan Thomas come on back to Arizona. I can see the Steelers taking Ty because I don't know if the Steelers have the appetite to really tank for a year or, you know, just roll with Aaron Rodgers and like a franchise like that. But if I'm the Jets, if I'm the Cardinals and I've got two first round picks from the Jets, I'm using them on two defenders to get my defense where I want to be because I'm Aaron Glenn. And that's what I was hired for. I mean, that's what I built my money on. You know, my career on it. And then next year we'll go after the QB. If I'm the Cardinals, man, I have a very good chance of having the first pick in the draft next year and wait, thanks, Dan. So I'm just going to take a tackle for somebody who can protect my future quarterback and then come on, Jacoby, Berset. Let's go lose some games. You want to take a break? Chipper, do you want me to give him a hot take to Tom's suggestion about tanking? No. Ooh. So it's not quarterback related specifically. It is 20, 27 quarterback related and how the teams comport themselves in 2020. Let's stay with it. I don't want to break this. No. No. I mean, who knows? We're going to be floored by just an amazing 30 second midroll that I don't want to throw anybody off. So yeah, let's hear it. Tank. All right. So hopefully I can up to Charlie Becker factor on this one. So Tom, I've gone through that thought experiment because I think you have a point with the Cardinals for sure and maybe even the Jets. But let's go down the list when we say every year next year's class is going to crush it. So Arch and Dante Moore, who else are you taking in the top five that you feel great about right now? Like I'm a huge Jaden Mayaba guy. I don't know if I'm taking them top five. I like Nico Yamaliaba. Let's be real. Do we know who Darian Mitz is going to be? And Swordsby is the third round pick for me right now. So that's my concern. If you like a guy, and oh, by the way, you will get fired if you go 0-17. So you're trying to set up for the future and you're not getting paid for that. So those are all my sort of concerns when we have those talks. I will tell you right now, clip it, put it out there. Arch Manning, Dante Moore, and Darian Mitz are all going top 10 next year. All right, Mark, my Ava might go top 10, but those other three are definitely going top 10. So you're on the Mitz a train early. Oh yeah. He's really good. I like him a lot too. But I don't I just wonder about the top like top tier arm talent, you know, size, running ability if he's going to wow, but I think he's going to have a phenomenal year at Miami. And maybe that's all right. Let's do this math then, Danny. So let's say Ty Simpson now or you're projecting, you know, that Darian Mitz is going to get 15 to 25% better and you're going to bank on that 12 months from now. That's also the math that you're trying to figure out, right? Ty Simpson or Darian Mitz? Yeah, like Ty Simpson now knowing what you have. I like Darian Mitz way better. Okay. All right. Well, that's I am because I've seen him play more football, seen him elevate, you know, I mean, a lot of conversation around Ty Simpson was well, he didn't have a run game. He didn't have offensive line. I mean, Darian Mitz said, want to ACC title at Duke. I mean, like that should be enough to make you number one overall. Yeah. That's like winning a gold medal in the sport. You're not participating in. You do it at Duke. Yeah. Steve Spurrier is still living off winning an ACC title at Duke all these years later. And people forget that it was a co-championship and the team he was tied with, he lost to. 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He was sitting behind us, tweeting out the pics ahead of time to the point where the NFL had to call Jim. He got called into the principal's office. He 100% got called into the principal's office. To witness an insider come back from being called into the principal's office was a, I don't know what was said back there, but incredible. Yeah. But for me, I think it's Laramie Tunsel as well. Like that was just wild, crazy. And I think the backstory, you guys, went better than me. Someone in his family was angry or something about something and they released it at the last minute. Is that what happened? He had switched a representation somewhere throughout the draft process. You know, there was a, somebody within his team was aggrieved is the way that I remember. What about for y'all? What you, did the Vikings forget to make their pick? Oh my gosh. That was a Mike Tice. I believe that one. It didn't get the card up there, right? Yeah. I definitely want, I would definitely say Tunsel's the craziest, but if that's off, I remember like the Vikings forgetting to make or not getting it in on time. And I, all of us learning a new rule about the NFL draft. I can't remember. 2003, they were trying to pull off a trade and they didn't get the details at the time. Aaron Rodgers waiting in the green room, leaving. Last year, Shadour, like that, it wasn't just one round. We were waiting and that no Kuiper losing his mind. You know, like all of that was, that was pretty fascinating to watch. That might have been one of the most covered, talked about moments too. Our friend Brady also had a, you know, 2027, 2007. Yeah, that's right. Big, big covering. I remember it because I was working for the dolphins draft coverage, like in pregame radio show that I did at 560 QAM and every Dolphins fan thought it was going to be Brady Quinn and everybody, they just thought Brady Quinn was the guy. And then when they picked Ted, again, junior, it was grown. That was there was like, it was like, what did we just do? Was he already on the orange bowl committee by then? No, he wasn't on the committee back then. Brady looks so good in that orange blazer. Another one, the 2014 NFL draft. Who could ever forget all the machinations of Cleveland Brown's general manager, Sonny Weaver, and then finally taking Fonte Mack number one overall. I watched that. I came late to that movie and it angers me. I don't try to care about a lot of things. The lack of having, you know, like when you make a movie about serial killers, you have an expert on the set to help you weave your way through the intricacies and what it means to track a serial killer. They just said, Hey, let's put, well, there was an AI back then, but if there had been AI, you would imagine they said, Hey, what would a draft room look like and write a draft movie script? And that's what chat, ETP would come back with. Infuriating how angry that made me. I thought it was very realistic. Well, they filmed it in Radio City. I mean, they were speaking out. That's right. We were there. The NFL was involved in the movie, which is great. Like that's the funniest part to me is like the NFL is like, yeah, whatever. We're putting our team images and brands in there. We're going to get some, we're going to get some notoriety. I forgot that. We met the guy who played Roger Goodell. I don't know his name and I had never seen him before or after. I've forgotten about that. Yeah. I mean, we were doing real Capitol J. Jerno stuff showing up really early, making sure we were getting settled. And sure enough, we walked in on them filming draft day scenes there in Radio City before, before things got started with the real draft. So yeah, the crazy, crazy moments for sure. And maybe I haven't seen, I don't have a good crazy at the draft memory ever since they started going to this road tour. It feels a lot more scripted, you know, kind of buttoned up like very, it's a little bit different now with the, with the performance as it is. Let's keep going with a couple of tailgate questions. Ryan says, Ryan versus the CFB guys, who's the NFL prospect this year that mock draft guys are hyping up that college football fans just won't ever agree with. Hey, can I throw a name on that? Because I'm curious about what you guys think about this. I wish him all the health and success in the world. I do not understand for the life of me why Chris Bell is talked about as the top 50 guy, the wider sea rider Louisville. He reminds me of Malachi Corley and Malachi was a second round pick, but he didn't work out for various reasons. He just ran drag routes and quick game and then he just ran over people. Does that translate? Is he Debo Samuel? I don't think he is. So that would be my one of the names of the top mind list that I'm curious about because I think it's a day three guy, but I know that I'm on an island on that. They had, I will say to give the context for the Louisville offense. They were working with a quarterback who had a maybe his worst year as a starter. One of the lines wasn't great. So the one of the reasons why the offense had to be give the ball to Chris Bell and let him go was because we needed to get the ball out of the quarterback's hands early and away from the line of scrimmage as fast as possible. So it was for context from the tape that's watched. A lot of that was just the way that Louisville had to offense last year. Miller Moss catching strays. Okay. What else? Guys, tiny. We saw him met him in person. We were like, Oh gosh. You know what's crazy? Like when I watched the Louisville USC game, I was like, all right, these two guys are slinging it a couple of years ago. And then, you know, you know, that bench didn't have to leave. Yeah. Who else? Tom, Danny, anybody else stand out on this one? That are being hyped up that I don't get? No. I mean, there's nobody that I'm like super. I think if you are a college football fan and you look at the production that a guy like, what's his name from? Oh God. No, no, the A&M kid who had like, Oh, Shamar Stewart from a year ago. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I get like, I don't think there really are those kind of guys. I guess you could go with Zion Young, the kid from Mizzou, maybe didn't have the kind of overall production you want. But that is also in a class where most of the past rushers are 24. Just the fact that there's a 21 year old there with like size and length that you could dream on. I can understand that. I will say one player I think is being slept on that I don't quite understand compared to where he's viewed. Logan Jones out of Iowa, Offensive Lime, just strikes me as a guy who like, I don't think he's projected to go before the third round in most of these mocks. And I feel like he's a guy who compared to the rest of the class. Maybe it's because he's a center, but I think he could also play guard. I think he could easily end up being one of the best Offensive Lime in this class period. So he should have dyed his hair red and had a big mullet and been like a viral sensation. That's the thing. Like this is no, this is no like, shade on Jennings Dunker, who I think is a good player too. But like, he is not the best player on that offensive line, but he's the only one I'm seeing mocked like in the late first, early second. I'm sitting there like, and where the hell is Logan Jones? But hey, yeah, Logan Jones, you're exactly right. And the issue with him and both Steven, so actually like a little bit better than Dunker as well. They have shorter arms like short, short arms like Reuben Bain short arms. And I think that's probably dingy them a little bit. But to your larger point, Danny and Tom, looking like, you know, you can chop down trees for a living with your longest flowing red hair with the mullet, that does get you some social media cashier, I guess. But I think the reality, I think Logan Jones is a good player who's going to play a long time. He's a little older. But to your point, Tom, in post COVID world, every one of these kids is, you know, pushing 30 years old, it feels like. Where do you stand on Reuben Bain? I think he's a good player. And the problem though is like, you know, you start making exceptions to the rule with top five picks. That's where you get burned. And I'll just say this, I don't know if you guys talked about it, but I had heard about the car accident stuff, which is obviously horrible. I had heard about that, like I think in December. So teams have known about it for a while. So there's a lot of sort of breathless finger pointing when it came out on social media last week. And I'm fine with that. And I'm fine with asking questions. Those things are all fair. But the point is, I don't think NFL teams were surprised by it. If they were, they probably weren't in the draft meetings because that's been a thing for a while. That aside, when you look at arms that short, who are top tennis picks, like Michael Parsons had 31 and a half inch arms, but he had played off ball his last year at Penn State before taking the year off for COVID. He had played Edge, Russia in high school, but he's also, he is literally the exception. Is Ruben Bain as good as Micah? No, I don't think anyone, maybe you guys disagree. I don't think he is coming out. So you have to have a role for him. He's sort of differently built in that he's not 65, 255, and super bendy, but he's incredibly powerful. So I like him as a top 10 guy. And I think you, in this draft class, again, if you add 10 picks, maybe you feel better about him. If you have him at seven, maybe he's more like a 17. If you, if you want to sort of grade on the curve, but there are reasons to have legit concerns just because he doesn't look like anyone who's ever been drafted that high to do what you're asking them to do. How are we feeling? And Tom also, I guess, is for you too. At this point in the mock draft process, I have to imagine, Ryan, for you, this is version 23.7. You know, like we're basically on iOS updates when it comes to this point in the process. Tom, you've been rocking and rolling for several months now as well. Are things changing? What are the spots in the mock draft process? Or as you're laying out your first round, I know, Ryan, your last one was a three round mock as well. Where do you find yourself sort of either getting hung up or a player or a team? Like, what are the situations that you think this, this actual draft is going to pivot on? Yeah, tell me what you think about this, Tom. So I've talked to some folks that think there could be like nine offensive linemen going the first round. It could be a run on guys. Like, here's a fun one. Venga Ioannis could be like a top seven pick because he's such a clean prospect. And teams are like, I don't want to gamble on the Ruben Baines or whomever because there's some variation there. Ioannis, you know what you're getting. The other thing, this isn't team related, just sort of seeing the consensus mock draft community online. And I don't know, I don't quite get it. I haven't talked to teams that think this is a thing. Good player, but Dylan Theoniman going 12 feels super crazy to me. Like, I think he's a good player, the Oregon safety, but bottom half of the first round. But I mean, Tom, maybe you disagree with that. I just, that's been sort of a recent push. And I'm not sure quite why. Can I, can I predict what Tom's about to say about Dylan? Yes, please. Yeah. He thinks he's a, he's a tackle merchant from a shitty defense from Purdue that used to rack up big numbers. Nobody could tackle in front of him. And the fact that your safety has all the tackles was reflective of a team that was bottoming out in the final year of the Ryan Walters era. Am I reading your mind on that one, Tom? 1000% correct. Three years ago, that was the case with Dylan Theoniman when then we went to Oregon. I was like, I don't know, man. I don't, I don't get it with that kid, but I thought he was much better with Oregon. Yeah, he was pretty good last year. And I like the Toledo kid better, honestly, Mayo, McNeil, Warren, they're close, but neither one's a top 15 pick, I feel like. Yeah, no, I don't have him going early. I mean, I'm hoisting myself by my own petard by my last mock. I've got Theoniman going to the Bears at 25 because I just feel like that is my fate after I dogged him publicly on the show. He's going to end up on the Chicago Bears. I'm going to be like, this kid's great. I've always loved him. Yeah, no, I don't think he's a top half of the first, but I also think to that point, the interesting thing about this year's draft is like we're seeing all these mocks and they all start to kind of look alike after a while because there's just like someone that have an echo chamber there. Yeah. I have a feeling there's a decent shot that this year's first round will look absolutely nothing like any of the mocks. Because I feel like that since there's no real to me clear cut obvious no-duh guys. Yeah. I mean, there's a couple that I feel that strongly about, but the overall consensus doesn't agree. I think we could see teams doing things that we don't expect at all. Like players you have not seen in a mock draft at all in the lead up here could end up being top half of the first round picks just because some team really likes them and there's nobody they feel all that strongly about except for this one guy. So they go after him. So I do wonder if this year's draft is just going to be completely off the out of left field as far as some of the things. I think you're right, Tom. And actually, there's some sort of the cold strange situation when he was drafted. I kept calling him Curtis Strange, but he is not the golfer formerly of the PGA tour because a couple other names to your point. Chase Posantes is getting some run the guard out of he's not text saying him, right? Yeah. And then D'Angelo Ponds, I've heard some teams like him and they might take him at whatever 31-32. No pushback here. I don't care about his size. That boy can play some ball. Right. So those are two names that you don't see a lot, if at all. And Keelan Rutledge, I don't think he's the first round pick. I've heard some like him and some don't. But to Tom's point, number one, that makes it fun on draft night. And number two, I think it's important sometimes to get out of the echo chamber because it's just so insular and you just, you know, you start believing everything. You start believing Dylan Thineman is going to be a top 12 pick. If he goes top 12, I'll just, you know, clip it and I'll have to eat this. You'll have to grow a beard like Danny. That was a terrible attempt at growing a beard, by the way, Danny. I grew it out. It was there for like three months. You just couldn't see it. That's all. Danny, I know you got to run downstairs to the studio soon. Any other questions from your part on, for Ryan, before we hit a break, and then we'll take some more tailgate. Feel free to drop some questions. And I've got a couple that I grabbed earlier. DK, what's last last one for me? Arville Reese versus David Bailey. Two, like young talent versus more upside potentially, you know, with a safer pick in Bailey. Jets have that two pick. Is that pretty consensus now they're going to go with Reese? No, I'm hearing Bailey and not from Rick. I feel like that's a disclaimer. But here's the thing. I want to throw it by you guys. So Bailey in my mind is not as good as Will Anderson or Abdul Carter as a top three-ish pick at that position. And if Arville Reese is Fred Warner, who are you taking? Are you betting on the upside of Bailey? Are you taking Fred Warner 2.0? With the versatility to maybe play Edge and Slot or wherever you want to play. So that's the math I do. And I sort of like Arbell for that reason. I'm Arbell. Okay. Yeah. Again, in a class without no dug eyes, give me the dude who I feel like has an actual ceiling of being an NFL all pro stud. And that's Reese. It's also difficult because of something you said at the beginning of the show with the plus 10 adjustment. Yeah. Are you grading David Bailey against Abdul Carter? Are you grading him? Because of right, you know, if he was if he's looked at differently, then yeah, he's perfectly fine. It's a top three pick. But those top three picks were top three picks against other draft classes. Yeah. I think I will say this about about Arbell. I was at the Ohio State pro day and I know he got crushed with a bag drill he did. But then I was going back and watching some players against Ohio State's defense. I was like, Oh, yeah, Arbell is pretty, pretty awesome. Like we're we just get so I say all the time with the draft right after the Super Bowl, we would have no time to make up all these silly storylines that at the end of the day or just just that just made up. He's a he's a really good player, man. I mean, like you think of the guys from that Ohio State defense, it will also be going in the first round with him. Like, you know, there's styles downs, maybe even, you know, Caden McDonald ends up going. There's so many studs on that defense. But when you watch them, the guy who makes the most holy crap plays was our velries. Right. Great point. Coming up on the other side, your questions, our answers and more with Ryan Wilson talking to NFL draft next. Exclusion supply. See true green.com for details. Back here on the cover three podcast. We talked about a little chase, Pesantes. I got Garrett's question answered. Ah, Davis is just going specific here. Who should the Panthers pick at 19? So I don't hate the idea of an edge rusher. And I know they signed Jalen Phillips. I know they drafted Nick Sporton last year and princely man, me Ellen. But you can never have enough edge rushers. A guy that I like and I'm interested what you guys think. And he's just getting ding left and right. TJ Parker. I think TJ Parker, like 70% of Jared verse coming out. I didn't have a great 2025, but that last game against South Carolina, he said, Oh, I got to start doing things. He sacked the North's four times. Anyway, to the senior bowl, we practice all three days. And it was a, you probably don't remember this because why would you, it was a layout to a lot to level domination of senior bowl practices. I don't think he played in the game and that's all right. But he practiced all three days, which is sort of rare for guys who have a chance to be relatively highly selected. So that makes sense to me, but I could be on an island. A cornerback is also, I think, a quiet need. But Kenyan Siddiq gets mentioned here, but they have JT Sanders and I love Kenyan Siddiq. And they have a couple other guys on the roster tight end. I call them. I just don't think there's many human beings made like Kenyan Siddiq. Here's my take on, on athletic tight ends. Like outside of, like Evan Engler didn't work out. I always forget the guy's name who was drafted by the Buccaneers out of Alabama, who was super rock. OJ Howard. OJ Howard. OJ Howard. Outside of Brock Bowers, our guys just coming in and like super athletic tight ends just dominating. Like Tyler Warren is more of a conventional tight end to me. He's obviously a high an athlete. Colson Loveland took a little while to get going and he went pretty high. But they have an Ingrams of the world to know a fans of the world. That's what concerns me. And it wasn't like Siddiq was setting the world on fire last year. I thought he was better in 2024. Well, Loveland was banged up early last year. Once he was fully healthy, he kind of took over for the Bears. No, I like Siddiq a lot. He reminds me of Kittle. Just not as much as a blocker, but in the passing game, he reminds me of George Kittle. Well, then you should take them in 19 then. Also, getting some scars on my knuckles from Knuckle Dragon, but Siddiq was battling some injuries last year. Ryan, he had the heart of a champion. He was war. I think he only missed in total one game. I would say he was impacted for four, right? And he was just going out there and doing what he could. I think that that's a check mark in the chip patterns and numbers. And I don't want to have to be misinterpreting. I love Kinnu Stig. That's just my sort of historical concern. And I think he's actually a pretty good blocker too. Sorry, go ahead, Tom. Yeah, he's not Kittle, but he's like, he gives you effort. So he's not like some, yeah, he's not just one of those tight ends. He's like, I just want to be in the slot and running routes. But I have the Panthers taking Kaden Proctor in my last month. That's a good one too. Because with the situation with the Kia Kwanoo, maybe you need to start thinking about your future there. And Rashid Walker's on a one year deal and he didn't get nearly what he thought he was going to get for sure. That's a good call. What's the situation with the Kia Kwanoo? Why? What happened? He had a serious knee injury, pateller. In the playoff game last year. That's right. They don't know when he's going to be back. World's biggest Panthers fan, Chip Patterson, over here. I've never claimed to be the, even as the Charlotte Hornets are one win away from, for the first time ever, the Hornets, Panthers and Hurricanes all making the playoffs at the same time. It's never happened. I cannot claim any stolen Valor. Those who have come to keep pounding for all these years, I'm happy for them. I'm not out there on the front lines. Brian, did you know that they call him Chip? That's awesome. Chip Patterson is what he's usually called. Also shout out to Davis for jumping in the tailgate. His older brother, Andrew, had a birthday yesterday. So happy birthday to Andrew. All right. Let's see. What are some of your easiest and toughest evaluations of the top 30? Oh yeah. Venga, Yawanee, layup. I remember talking to a scout back when Quinn Williams was coming out and it was days before the draft. I said, so what's like anything to be worried about with Quinn Williams? And he said, look man, sometimes there doesn't have to be anything wrong with the player. That's Venga, Yawanee. Like it's just you watch him. He dominates. He's a great kid. Another name, easy for me. The issue is age and he had an ACL, but I don't think it's affected him this year at all. I love Trayden Stooks, the slot out of Arizona. He's six feet. He's 200 pounds. He ran a 433 and his season last year was awesome. He has insane ball skills. Tough evaluations is typically sort of quarterbacks when you're trying to project what it looks like at the next level, especially like guys like Garrett Nussmeyer is a good example because there was so much going on at LSU and you're trying to figure out how much and you don't know K-Clubbock too, how injured these guys are until after the fact. Ty Simpson too. So then you have to try to read between the lines because like Ty Simpson on Short and Intermediate throws, one of the best and caused a ball last year. Deep throws, he was one of the historically worse. Oh, you find out he has no bleak or whatever the abdominal injury was. And that obviously colors your opinion of him. So that was sort of tough. And then guys like R. Velk who are changing positions or maybe who don't look the part height, weight, speed-wise, they're 6'4", 241 as opposed to 6'5", 265 and you have to project what it looks like. Those are a little more difficult, but Yawani was like a layup. Easiest eval for me was Jeremiah Love. Toughest eval for me, Armason Thomas. Because like I have, I think at a minimum you can have him as like a third down package guy, just go get the QB. I'm trying to figure out if there's any possibility of him putting weight on his frame to be more of a three down guy or if that would completely take away what makes him actually useful as a pass rusher, which is just kind of his explosiveness and speed. So he's too tiny to hold the edge at a classic D-end? You know what's funny, Chip? He can actually play the run. And I think this is something I say to myself often in terms of overthinking things. He's basically Nick Medido coming out, who was a second round pick, who just got paid like one of the best players in the NFL. So he's another guy that maybe slips into the bottom of the first round because teams choose not to overthink it. But historically, he does have shorter arms. He's not 265. I think he may be way 249-250. And he can play the run. That's one of those sort of storylines that gets thrown out there and you try to figure out why. By the way, I just had Noah call me to go do this thing with Danny. So you actually do have to go. Yeah, I have a noon hit. He is, you're still Ryan Wilson, CBS, right? I was about to. Yes, sir. He is Ryan Wilson. You can follow him on Twitter at Ryan Wilson, CBS. Ryan, we don't want to make you late. Send Noah. Don't know what we said. Hi. Yeah, don't know what we said. Hi. I always love doing this with you guys. It's always good to see you and catch up and we'll talk soon. All right. Sounds good, Ryan. Tom, any other final NFL draft related thoughts here? No, just to finish the Arb, Mason, Thomas thing. Like it's not a question of whether or not he's willing to try to stop throwing because like he gets in there. It's just because of his overall size. Because as Ryan mentioned, those short arms, I do worry about like an NFL offensive lineman coming around the corner at him and just completely erasing him. Like that's going to be the thing I can't figure out, but I do feel like there's value there because if you bring him in on third downs and just tell him, go get the QB, I think he could get you six, seven sacks. So you're doing that kind of reminds me of another guy I would compare him to. He compared him to Benito. I would go with Leonard Floyd, former Georgia player and who was okay with the Bears. Kind of took a step forward with the Rams later in his career. I was going to actually I'll save. Brian had a question about going for two scoring and strategy. We'll save that for the mail bag. How about that? Can you talk scoring and strategy tomorrow? I don't know. I'm going to be kind of tired. I don't know. We'll see. So tailgate, you hear that? Come and hang out. If you want to hear Brian's scoring strategy question, we'll have answers for it. But, and you know that at this time of year, I always like to leave you with a little something just to get the conversation started. Big headline question for tomorrow's mail bag. It is from the big old bag of mail. What are some of the best single season coaching jobs that we have seen in college football? Leaving it as open as possible. I would like to get as many, you know, we can rank them if we get a lot of good ones, but you in the tailgate, us, you know, here on the Cover Three podcast, let's have some fun. 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