Kim Chi's Love Affair with Public Libraries with Trixie and Katya

Oh, it's bad. What? What would the people do it? Mate. Is that you being too ex-sav? What, me? No, that's deeply offensive. Harry, you're wearing socks and sandals. In public. Come on. I travel in style. You don't. It's a new low. They're the mullet of footwear. And what's wrong with mullets? Oh, my God. Sharing moments you'll never live down. On The Train, you can. Oh, my gosh. You guys, we have. We have brand new microphones sent to us from. Sign. Sign. High. Sign. High. Sir. Beb. Sign. High. Sir. And they love the gay signers actually German for it's German for ran through. And the best part. Wait, wait, wait. Does this work? Your clown nose. Oh, obviously we have Kim Chi in the house. She is a food aficionado and critic and now a food book writer. Hello. Wow. Congratulations. Yes. Welcome to the pod newly a double time author, Kim Chi. Wait, we got to talk about this. Yeah. We got to talk about this. So Kim. Not only likes to one up every drag queen and writing a book, but she's going to say, I'm going to put out two at once. You know, the two book deals happen in two very separate times, but you know, one thing after another and. Are they at odds with each other different sections of the bookstore? I actually don't know. All the bookstores I've been in, they've been next to each other, which is cool. But yeah, it just happened to come out in the same month. What's the other one is the other one is a young adult novel called Donatella Machi and the library of Avengers. Oh, it's a book about saving public libraries. The last place the FBI can go. Yeah, exactly. Pierce. Wow. And. Oh yeah. So the main villain on his name is blop the drag sing. What is that macro aggression? Would you call them a direct attack? And you know what the library is called? What? They're trying to save. It's called Fergus library. Oh my God. Yes, it is. Oh my God. And that is in commemoration of that. I'm the first person in my family who can read. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Probably the last. What was the process like writing the book? Did you write it? Did you go to write it? That's what we get asked all the time. Well, I corrode it with Stefan Fahn, who is an amazing writer. I mean, listen, English is my second language here. I'm trying my best. So, but it's part graphic novel part. Oh, I love graphic novels. And I think hardcore nudity. No, there's no. Is it young adult? Young adult. No, there you go. But, you know, I think there's like a lot of themes that will resonate with a lot of people, you know, like growing up as immigrants, you guys wouldn't know. Growing up queer, you guys would know. You guys wouldn't know. Growing up bald, you guys would know. You know, saving public libraries, you guys might know. Right. I love public libraries unironically. Do you? Yes. No, they're great. It's a great resource. I mean, they're the pillars of our community. I'm old enough to like remember going to there when I wanted to learn something. Do you know what I want to do? This happens in movies sometimes. If you're like trying to, if I was trying to get like dirt on her library with that, that thing you turn the knob and the newspaper flips by. Microfish. Is that what it's called? Yes. Any good, any good like any good detective research. Any gum shoe. If you want to know about the fire in 87 or whatever the Blizzard 28, you'd go to the, you know, the dark room, you flip the microfish. It's fierce. I'd also go to the library and check out ton of music CDs. Do you remember when you would like burn music into like your iTunes? And I just burned like ton of songs and that's how I got me music because I couldn't afford to buy CDs. My library had a program where if you're at five books, you get like a voucher for a bagel. So I read so many books as possible just to feed myself. Oh my God. Reading to, reading to eat. That's fierce. The only time fitness is food. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I'm nourishing myself. You know, planet fitness has free to zeroes. You go to planet fitness. Yeah. They have purple and brown to see roles. Well, I guess brown is chocolate. They have grape and chocolate to see roles and anytime fitness sometimes on Fridays has free pizza. I would think you're like too famous for planet fitness. I was going to say, really, I do, but I keep going, but they have charmed on the TV. I didn't, I didn't know they had TV at planet fitness. You can bring your own TV. They have, they have all the TVs and they have the same, let's say six channels and it repeats. So it's like one and then all of the machines have, and they have subtitles on so you can watch Charmed. That's really amazing. I do have charm and we lost Julie McMahon this year. I guess I'm just trying to pay tribute to, isn't that his name? Julian McMahon. Who's a nickname? Yeah. He died this year, didn't he? Cole. Cole instead. Cole. I know him as doctor, whatever from Nip Tuck. Well, yeah, that's also him. He died last year, I believe. I had no idea. Oh, he died in July this year. Of what? Of what? Of death. He died, he died to death. Not to get like randomly dark, but whenever I hear like I hear in use about like celebrities passing, I feel a little envious. Like you don't have to deal with this like shithole that like, you know, that we live in. Yeah. Twisted middle. Especially if it was like a painless death, you know, I'm like, oh, a little jealous. Some days I'm like, oh my God, I feel a tightness in my heart. I cough today. Well, cancer, right? It's over. And then some days I'm like, wouldn't it be nice? You know, like sometimes it's just so, but we had a wonderful, um, you know, Andrew Cuomo lost, which gives me hope for one more day. Oh baby. But also like part of me like wake up every morning and I'm like, I hope nothing happens to Toron. Like, yeah. In the greatest city in the world. Especially like considering like what happened with the lawmakers like recently, you know, like, oh yeah. I like, I worry about like all the, you know, people in politics that's trying to do the right thing. Oh yeah. Because 36 that world, you know, we live in. Oh yeah. What about Deborah Messing? Twist it up. She is demented. Demented. 150 Instagram stories in like two hours. I just think that's a lot. Now I don't feel like bad for making fun of her scarf collection during, um, Will and Grace. No, no, um, that one show, that singing show. Oh my God. I'm gonna go for it. Smash. Yeah. Because first season she had like a different scarf on every time she came on. Yeah. And it was the dumbest thing ever. Wow. Love your scarves, Deborah. Yeah. I mean, I, I was in that good. You're right. You're right. You know, yeah. Low hanging fruit. The only person who's allowed to post that many stories to me is Vanity. When Vanity, they're not about politics. When you see Vanity stories and the slice is as thin as a Listerine strip. I'm gonna get on that treadmill. I'm sad. Speaking of Vanity. So, you know, um, there was like a video clip of you imitating like the real me comes out tonight, fabulous. Oh yeah. Yeah. There was one day I literally just had that on repeat and I don't know. It was like ASMR to me. I could not stop watching it. It was just like on repeat. I was just like refreshed, refreshed, refreshed. I gotta watch this again. It's an earworm. It's Friday. And now again, yeah, it comes alive. I lost a link to that clip and I was like legit upset that I couldn't watch this anymore. It's so good. So could you do it again for this podcast so I can watch this over again? Of course. Just the way you did it. Yes. Well, she kind of has a fabulous Friday. But to the whole thing, like she bars. She kind of like, well, it's Friday, the weekend. The real me comes alive. I really shouldn't have a drink. I wish I never drink, but you know, it is Friday. So, you know, I worked so hard. And then this is like also like a really random part of the internet that no one ever knows what I'm like referencing. Yeah. But in her cheap bars Tuesday video, you commented, bring back Wilfair Wednesdays. You coward. Wait, what? Well, originally it was called Wilfair Wednesdays. Well, what is what? Well, I believe welfare has a different meaning in Australia. It might mean faring well. And People are like cancel her for, you know, like making fun of poverty or something. She had to change the cheap bars Tuesday. Yeah. You commented, you bring back Wilfair Wednesdays. You coward. I just want to mess with her. And I quote that on a regular basis. No one ever knows like what I'm going to. And I feel like crazy for even have to explain this whole thing. And then after I explain it, people look at me like I like am on the spectrum. You know. No, no, no, I do. If you're coming here to talk about personal rattles that you speak in Europe, this is the safe space. Me and my house either saying, okay, James from Wendy Williams or Jane from the comeback, James or Jane at any given moment, Jane, absolutely not cut that, you know, that clip in the comeback where they have the cameras in there and their, her housekeepers cleaning and they zoom in and they pull a porn VHS out of Mark's, her husband's side table drawer and the camera's zooming in on it and Valerie walks in and sees him zooming in and pretends like she doesn't see it. And then she picks it up and she's like, okay, we're human. But she's like, you know, and she's like, Mark only has one of these. Okay. And he's like, she's like trying. It's like backdoor, lesbians nine or something. It's something so crazy. I have never seen a comeback. Should I start watching it? Is it too late or did I have to be there? It's not too late. It's absolutely timeless. It's. 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So please join us over here at Sibling Rivalry available anywhere you get your podcasts. You can listen and subscribe for free. For free, honey. I'm sure there are. Joelle exists. Oh, shut up. Oh my God. She did Brandon's Party, Sleiz and Royale. He said she was really fun. Oh my God, amazing. Yeah. Joelle, that girl from Drag Race who was like, I feel like LA just expects me to always give a glamour. Remember her? Wasn't that what she said, Kim? No, she's like, I am like known for my looks. I'm the Sleiz and D-Bob LA. The Sleizian. Yeah. But I don't think she was necessarily... The Sleiz. I... Is it that a Sleizian is an Asian who slays? I think so. Okay. Yeah. You know, I can't speak to... No, it's an Asian who kills people. But for the vampire slays. It's a term that I've never encountered until that moment, you know, so I can't really speak to that intimate knowledge. I think we're getting a little carried away with these contractions or whatever. Yeah. Right. It's too much. But anyway, back to my books. Yeah. If you guys want to know, let's talk about it because this is a book that only somebody who's actually traveled the whole world could write. Can you tell us about it? TS Re... Oh my God, that's the TS recipes. No. 75. 75. Because... Kimchi eats the world. TS recipes fit for a dry queen. So this book is a love letter to all my favorite places that I've been to and all the favorite things I've eaten. The whole book was conceived. Could you tell that I've been like a press circuit and saying the same thing? Well, I want to know though. I want to know. Yes, yeah. So the book got started during pandemic when I couldn't travel anymore and eat all these delicious things, you know, like the fattest that I am. So then I started making like all these global cuisine in my own American kitchen. And this is how the idea for the book was conceived. So every recipe comes with a beautiful picture that is like a little offbeat and quirky and there's like a little drag twist to it. And there's a story in why that recipe is there. Cheesy bread bowl fondue in Switzerland. Yes. That's incredible. If you had to eat only one cuisine for the rest of your life, which would it be? It'll definitely be something Asian. I mean, Korean food is like my soul food. But if it wasn't Korean food, I could eat probably Vietnamese or Thai food every day. Thai food really is lit. Yeah. And LA has so many good vegetarian options. Because if you don't eat fish sometimes, even if it's not a fish dish, they have like oyster sauce or something. And it can be really overpowering. But LA, you can find like a lot of non-fish options. Even with like picky friends or people with dietary friction, usually like Thai food, you know? Have you ever loved to eat Thai? Oh my God, I love to eat it so good. Oh, that is like my regular go to. And the name tells you. Yeah. Do you love to eat Thai? And I believe the owners are like two like lesbian. So you're supporting the queer community by supporting love to eat. What a gorgeous photograph. When I was depressed, I got really into Faw. Oh, Faw's really gone. Oh my God. I would order from these places and I'm like, the soup would arrive so hot that I'm like, what temperature was it when they poured it in this tub at the restaurant? If it's showing up at my house, basically boy with it. Because they put like the beef in their raw and then the hot broth cooks the beef. So then by the time like it reaches the table, it's like perfectly tender. Yeah. And vegetables. And you cook the vegetables in it and it cooks it nicely. And then after you like sauce it and all that, it's like the perfect temperature for you to consume. Well, the first time I got it, I didn't realize how much of the soup came not in the fluid. So I was like, I thought it was too much woke or something. Too much woke. You know, a little bit like how they want you to tip it the register. I was like, no, I got to cook the vegetables, but it was so fresh and lovely. Oh, speaking of tip it the register, this is so random, but can I say something? No. No, none of the pod. This isn't a pod. Okay. Go ahead. I am, if someone could like enlight me on this and I'm genuinely curious. So you know, I'm a good tipper. I always tip 20%. I tip like coffee, even counter service, everything. Yeah. Why is that when I go to a concert and I buy like a $70 merch t-shirt and then I go to pay, there's a tip option. And I'm expected to tip like 20, 30, 40% on a concert merch. And my favorite is when the tip options are set at like 30, 35, 40. And you have to, you have to key in a 15% while they watch it. It was like no tip. You have to say, fuck you asshole. And then press no tip. Well, girl, but like concept merch, why? And then half the time they're not even nice and all they did was just grab me a t-shirt or a hat. And why am I doing you like, I would see that they would be getting paid. They do get paid. We don't really have a really, that person that merchandising person doesn't necessarily have a relationship to the sales of the merchandise. No, right? I mean, I think they're probably allowed to keep that part. Yeah. I mean, the artist gets a cut, the venue gets cut, the manager, the producing touring agency. A lot of times not to mention the artist that the artist hired to make the graphic. Maybe he gets a cut. Some of them do. Some of them sound a flat rate. I mean, of course, everyone should get paid, you know, but... Everyone should get paid. But why am I tipping a concert merch salesman when they're not even that nice? I think American tipping culture is based on like lack of a livable wage, which is a bummer. I mean, he sits official merch, which I just got in a fight with a person at the B-52. Well, I ain't gonna fight. I screamed. I don't want to talk. I'll talk about it. No, no, no. I was at the B-52s and I was a little, I had had two bottles of wine. I was feeling good and I watched Debo and they were amazing and I was just blown away. And, you know, for me surrounded by six year olds from the 80s watching these bands, I'm in heaven. Right? I'm feeling good. That's when... Yeah. My arthritis is feeling good because I'm browned out. You know, I'm just feeling really good. And I'm walking out of the menu and I see the knockoff merch. Yes. And I don't think people understand that you're not just stealing from Beyonce or whoever, the person who drew Beyonce's shirt, like you're stealing from them. Do you not feel this way? Okay. Or do you feel bootleg merch is good? Okay. So I have a very strong feelings about the bootleg merch. What is it? I do too. Okay. So for example, like a lot of K-pop bands, they have merch, right? Right. But the merch, the design is extremely underwhelming. Sometimes it'll just like have their logo on it and no pictures or anything because fans will buy them regardless. So they don't have to try to like make good designs. But then you go into the parking lot and you see some of like the most like well designed like creative design with all the members faces on it. It's like super colorful, like impactful and like that is actually a merch that I want to spend money on. I mean, granted, like a lot of artists has merch that is actually really good. You know, like Beyonce kills it. Not to mention you has good match. Yeah. Sometimes the bootleg merch is better than the actual merch. That's why they need to have little agents and managers go in the parking lot and poach those artists. Well, this is the thing. The word bootleg to me is, okay, let's say this was the exact Beyonce graphic from the concert. This bootleg is that artist is printing that same graphic and trying to pretend that it's an official Beyonce shirt. Not the one type scene. To me, if it's somebody scalping, but they're selling an original design, that's not as jailable like this. This is a restaurant and a person. Right. This is a great example of somebody. If they were selling this in the parking lot, I almost feel like they should go for it. Yeah. Because it's two for one. And I'm not, I'm not saying you should buy bootleg merch. I'm just saying if, if I see like a bootleg artist, you know, or bootleg salesman, like trying harder than the actual artist. And I'm only speaking specifically for Kpop. Not like. Okay. But they're making an original design that the artist doesn't sell. Yes, exactly. And that's the difference. I'm talking about straight up copies of the official. A Xerox of a shirt than the, on a shitty, yeah. And which mean, yeah. But then also like some artists are like basically billionaires, you know, and they're also making a million dollars a night at merch. Yeah. So I'm like, do I want to help this part, you know, bootleg salesmen who probably these money for their family or do I want to support a billionaire? I don't know. They're morally conflicted in both ways. I feel like a lot of times, let's say our ball in the beautiful graphic, we don't even have all the rights to that image. So you're stealing. Oh, so I can steal that. But you're stealing from the photographer. So like the people used to come up and want us to sign eight by 10s. Oh, that's a whole other thing. And I'm like, you got this printed at Kinko's. You're also, by signing this, I'm co-standing on you stealing this on the photographer. I'm more offended that they don't know who we are. Oh, that I'm a fan. I'm more offended that they're not actually fans. Like once I actually learned that they're just like opportunists or whatever, they're scammers and like, yeah. Yeah. Like I don't mind taking photos with anyone, but people see like a line of like, you know, people forming around you and then they want to photo just because they think you're someone famous, you know, that I'm like, it's not strange. That's how I feel about if I'm in drag walking to the car at the hotel, like through the lobby and you see like a group of people and they want a picture just because they saw a cross dresser. I was at a TACO. Trixie fans. They're just like, oh, drag queen. I'm like, no. I was at a taco truck and some girls asked for a picture and then the taco truck guy asked for a picture. He had no idea who I was. Love it. Did you get a frotaco? Were you at a taco truck in drag? No, out of drag. He was like, are you famous? I was like, not really. He's like, can I see your Instagram? What? And then, and then he was like, oh my God. Cause I'm million followers or whatever. He's like, he was freaked out. But see, at least if they're like upfront about it, I'm fine with it. When they start playing this game, like, do I, do I know you from somewhere? You're like, really familiar. He's like, Brown. And I'm like, like, he drown. Does that make sense? Does that make sense? I was like, are you some of famous? And I'm like, do you want a picture where we can take a photo? You know, like, let's cut the game. You know, no game. No game. If you want a photo, I'll give you a photo. Although how? No, Mike, but the trade does that too, though. And he's like, Oh, I said, they'll act like they don't know you. And then they follow you on Instagram. Oh my God. And as they're leaving, they're like, by the way, huge fan. That shit. Yeah. So they're all liars. They just be honest. They should be honest. Do what our fans do. Yeah. Thank you. Do what our fans do. Open your shirt. Show the breastplate size portrait of us tattooed to the chest. And then we are like, you're, you're, you're, you're right. Yes, you're verified. You're in. We appreciate all the love, you know, that comes our way, you know, but just be real with us, you know, be honest with me. Yes. But this is the other worst best thing, which is if you're on the plane and people are walking by, getting on and they go, big fan ego, thank you. And maybe it happens a couple of times. I don't, I feel like being bald. You're just a beacon. People's eyes see a white bald head and they're like, what the fuck was that? You know, for you, maybe. They can. Oh, thank you. But then the person next to you goes, it's a straight guy. All right. Who are you? I hate that. I hate it so much because then you have to explain why. Or when they're like, are you someone famous? And I'm like, am I supposed to, how am I supposed to answer your question? I say, I say no. No, no. I'm Terry Fisher. Yeah. Like what am I supposed to say? I got, I got, I had cancer. I went on Jenny. What is, what is, uh, uh, Sally, Jesse Raphael. Well, there's this episode of wife swap where I famously screams dark sided gorgiles and people still know me from that. And I was like, oh, wait, but on the plane, I peed myself. Wait a minute. Okay. So I pivot my chair back to Kim's side and maybe you can have the floor. So this happened in the same thing you were just talking about. The guy was like one of the guys over to the mice. The side was like, um, where do you, I forget what he said, but it was like, cause the two people had gone past the aisle and we're like, big fan, whatever. And then the guy was like, are you like famous or whatever? And I was like, oh, I get up halfway through the flight. I go to the bathroom and I pee. And I guess I just didn't really know that I wasn't done. And, and you know, like sometimes you, you have to obviously, this is so gross. I'm sorry, but you have to like shake or whatever. And just, but I did not the penis. Yeah. As soon as I'm done peeing, I, there was like, sometimes you pee a little bit after it's, you try not to. I peed all the way down my leg and on the floor. Right. So I basically pissed in, I basically for, I mean, quantity wise, I pissed myself standing up in the airplane. And I had to, I had to get down, clean up the pee on the floor. Right. And then I had to walk back to my seat, leg drenched with piss to the, to the point where it smelled like piss. And I know for a fact that at least three or four people in the area knew what time it was. Right. They knew that I pissed myself, you know, that I was covered in piss. Did you have, what kind of pants did you have? Cause if you have a cuff to jogger like this, but did you have a gaucho? Was it just free? They were white jeans. Yellow now. No, they were, um, they were. They were, they were black packet pee. It's dark brown. One time I had a panic attack on a plane because, um, because of a pee. A little red. What was the panic pee? Um, so, you know, like when you board business class, I know I've, I've, sounds a little wishy-washy, you know, they give you like little like orange apple juice, orange juice, whatever for this flight had beach puree. It was like a shot of beach puree and like a shot of like green puree along with champagne. So I took like a shot of B puree and then later when I went to pee and I forgot that I drank this like B puree. My pee was like bright red. So I thought I was, um, peeing blood and I didn't know what to do. And I'm like, am I dying? Like, am I like, what's going to happen? So then in the stall, I start reading like really heavily and I was like, do I get a flight attendant? And then I remembered I drank the B puree and I'm like, Oh, it's the beat. Just be puree. Really turn your face. It's really concentrated. It was like, it was a really intense read and I've never had that happen before. Have you ever had hematosphermia? No, what is that? It's been you just blood. 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No, I landed. I guess you're already lifted up in the air. I just parachuted out. I guess because we spend so much time on airplanes, you know, like at some point, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it is gonna, it that rickety wheelbarrow with wings. Cape scare, female pilots. I'm just kidding. No, we didn't know. The way there had, Mateo texts me at 8.30 in the morning and said, he was taking it. We were in Boston doing Halloween. Mateo was flying to P-town, but he was taking the boat. He said the boat is so turbulent that people are laying off the side of the boat, puking. The fast ferry? The fast ferry. I've never gotten seasick before. Me neither. The fast ferry is fierce. But the waves are so bad, he said that they were like jumping and people were puking. So I'm thinking, well, good thing we're flying. The waves are that bad from the wind. You're also gonna be in a plane. The tiniest little rickety Wright brothers plane. And you know, it's all one room, right? And one of the passengers sits next to the pilot. And so you're seated and I'm right behind them. Wait, excuse me? Do you not know this? I've never taken that airline. The first left chair, like the driver in a car, is the pilot and the other chair, the co-pilot chair. They sell that. Some guys, it's there. I wanna do that. Up in the air the other day, I grabbed the guy and said, you're doing really good. I'm gonna grab the wheel, yank it and have us all go down. Please don't. Should he do it? A ball in the beautiful to go. It was such mad turbulence. I was scared for the first time. I grabbed the seat in front of me and started laughing out of fear. I was like, ehh. And we landed, thank God. How would you die if you could choose today? Oh, um, something quick and painless. Samurai sword. Maybe drowning in a bathtub. That is not quick and painless. Kim, are you out of your mind? That's not quick and painless. That's like a nightmare scenario. That is the height of terror. Being shot in the back of the head. No, Samurai sword. Head shot off. I was like asleep and unconscious, you know. Eww. What kind of drug could like make me like path out? Fentanyl. Fentanyl? Never done it before, but you know. Propethol. Propethol, yeah. With a Michael Jackson drug, propethol. Where do you even get propethol? A doctor. Do you like, have one? I have one. So you don't call about dealer and be like, can I get some propethol? No, extremepeptidize.com. What do you mean? Extremepeptidize.com. By the way, I asked my doctor about that. I said, well, I have colleagues and friends who get their peptides online. And she said, the single most dangerous thing you could be doing right now with your health would be to get peptides anywhere but a doctor. Oh please. A doctor. You know, I feel like a trained professional would say that, you know. Also, you know what? They're trying to secure their bag. But are you a bad bitch? Yeah, yeah. You know what, though? I don't doubt her at all, but. Are you a bad bitch? You try to prove to people you're a bad bitch by ordering peptides online. And what bitch? Also, it did occur to me recently that just because you have an MD doesn't mean you are good at all. Don't trust doctors willy nilly or don't trust doctors just period. You don't get a second opinion is what they say, right? Third, I mean a lot of doctors are drunk, bad, stupid, negligent. I mean, you know what I mean? Duggy, how's it was a kid? Thank you. What's this, what are the worst things going on in drag right now? First things? With the way people look. The way people look. I think Kim has a very sharp and broadened awareness of all the different types of drag and skill levels. What do you think is the worst thing going on? You do have a very sharp critical eye. To be honest, I kind of like tuned out every other drag queen for like the past year. What about what? Not because of anything, but I'm just focusing on me. Honestly, besides having the guests that I see her, we're kind of the same. I mean, we're against wet hair. Wet hair, if they don't know how to style it properly. How do you style wet hair? And then if it dries up and it gets like frizzy, you know, I'm against that. Do you think boobs will come back? Boobs been out? I'm so out of the loop with other drags. There has been an alarming dearth of boobs in the drag scene. Especially on a frame that could use a breast. Well, you know, like in this economy, breast births are probably expensive. I'm not talking breastplates. I'm talking pantyhose. I'm talking rolled up socks, bird seeds. Mary, I have batting in a pantyhose. Right. With a tie for a nipple. She does. You felt them, you looked at them. I've done more than that. You jerked off to them. I just, I do feel like, you only need to feel like a hundred years old. I do feel that kids today, like an A cup is a giant jug. You don't need me to huge dig it. Like a, like a cock destroyer, Titty, is like truly a band-aid. Must be amputated because it's just too much. Back pain. I'm worried that at some point, the new flat chestin will become carved out tissue. We will, the drag queens will have concave surgery, top surgery. Maybe humps. Maybe it'll just go to the back. Boops to the back. Finally. No. Maybe like legs, you know, are optional. Legs are, oh, boobs down the legs. Maybe the boobs are just gonna move. Something I'm glad is gone was that like pastel, like fetish gear, like PVC fetish gear. Oh. Do you remember that wave of that? I remember like creepy, yeah. Like make some like really cool like harnessy things. You know, like in feminine colors and then everyone under mom, of course, started. Yeah. I'm glad that's kind of awesome. But then you saw like every terrible version of it. Yeah. I don't like when guys wear harnesses. Are you a horse? If it doesn't speak to me, I mean, I do hear gay guys say like, oh, a harness was the first time I felt like. It's a horse? Oh. So I guess if it's a means to feeling good. I guess so. I don't want to be a hater. I guess it's like a subculture that we are like not directly in, you know? Yeah. But if you like harness, you know, props to your mama. Yeah. Keeping the letter industry. You know, Kim and I used to work almost exclusively at circuit parties. Now with, okay, give us the, give us the do's and don'ts of circuit party fashion. Honestly, there's no do's and don'ts. Everybody's in their speedos with. Oh, they're just naked. Naked with designer sneakers. It's interesting. It's literally naked with designer sneakers and. Are we talking with drugs? Are we talking dick and balls and ass all out? No. Like a thong with no back. So what is that? A cocksack. And everyone's pupils are dilated and everybody's like really, really sweaty. Well, that's no problem. But should we show them how they dance? It's all. But do they have enough like buffering? Do they have enough room? Yeah. And like if Kim and I were like, we just met and when we were into each other, we would dance like. It's just this. With just the. And everyone has sunglasses on indoors. And all their pupils are dilated. Oh, because they're bloodshot. True blood. True blood. Black eyes with red eye. Yeah. Triangular. And then you say how two of them are like, where's the afters? Kim and I would do these parties. Oh, not the afters. Where we would probably be in drag by nine or 10 and we'd be there till 430. 430, yeah. We got a lot of drugs. I wasn't. Okay. Huge drug addict. We were, we had a show early. Like we would each do a number or two. And then we would host like. In a costume. Yeah, host in outfit. So we do two numbers and then change into a kind of rather elaborate for a local drug. We do multiple looks. Multiple changes through the night. No, people don't tip. No, no, it was. Circuit Queens didn't pay you no mind, didn't they? Honestly, genuinely, they were not there for us. But we and our young minds, I really thought like, well, obviously we're like local celebrities. I really felt maybe more famous then than I do now. I was like, well. Honestly, yeah. Well, because, you know, like they, we know this like elaborate photo shoots, you know, that was like to promote the parties and everyone would share it. And everyone knew us like when they came to the party, you know, one time. Oh my God. We have one time, Kim and I had a fucking gig the night before and we slept in face for what, four hours? Kim and I slept like this. Like sweethearts, like vampires. Like vampires, like a pack of hot dogs. Makeup just like crusting over. And so we wake up, we put on the outfit cause it was an Olympics themed photo shoot. So I was- You did a photo shoot after? In the morning. In the morning. The photo shoot was supposed to be at noon. It must have been a photo break. Our call time was like 10 a.m. 10, 10. And I don't want to say what it was, but the photographer at the time said, he just came in and I remember him saying like, hey, I thought it was Coke, but it was like G or something. It was like Coke. No, it wasn't Coke. He said he was snorting Coke, but it was Ketamine. And so he was in a K-hole. So he needs to take a nap. So we sat there and Dragon waited for the photo shoot to start. But we're talking like- He uncayed out. Literally like eight drag queens, like fully ready to go at noon. And a bunch of beautiful Gogo boys, which at the time I will say, the Gogo boys in Chicago were dropped at gorgeous. Oh for sure. Drop dead gorgeous. Beautiful, huge Gogo boys. And we all just sit there and wait for the photo shoot to start. Outside in the sun. Outside in the sun. Is this person still alive? Was he a son? Oh actually, so this person died supposedly. And what do I know? So, no, no, no. So I asked- A legend. I have my friends in Chicago and people are saying like, he's pretending to die to like escape. On the land? Second act. On the land? Second act. He's pretending to die. He's pretending to die to like not pay his like debt or whatever, but he's like actually alive somewhere. But I don't know the truth. The orphan. But at least that was the rule. Allegedly, this is all allegedly. Yeah, don't even Google who it is. We're not trying to blow up people's spots. It was a different time. We're both of his names. I'm just kidding. But anyway, we do these parties and we were, in my mind, the amount of work we put in looking back, we're talking two or three look changes. At a circuit party, where no one cared. Yeah. We're talking look changes, changing nails, changing contact lenses. Changing. But in our head, we're like hashtag up and coming. Hashtag work. We're gonna show the girls. Tonight's the night. We're gonna show the girls. We're gonna love it. So what? No one does it like Chicago, you guys. And at the time, I think that was kind of true. Yeah. Girl, I think it was kind of true. At the same time, what was happening in Boston, the opposite. What's going on in Boston? We weren't changing nails. We weren't changing costumes. We weren't changing lives. We weren't changing anybody's opinion. We were changing our diapers. We were so ugly. We're pissing ourselves. We were so ugly, not performing for circuit guys, but for bachelors who don't give a shit. We looked, we had an opening number and a closing number. The fabric that we wore was a, for the opening was bright orange squiggle sequin on like a heavy knit and a green squiggle sequin on a heavy knit. I wore a sleeveless, like a St. Patrick's day. Uh-huh. And there was, you could do whatever you wanted with it. So I wore a shirt and a skirt and shitty black boots. Is that what you wanted? And then the closing outfit was a brown paisley, a brown paisley grandmother's couch type of fabric. What? For a lady marmalade. Diabolical. My biggest guilty pleasure is watching drag queens put together like their matching group looks for opening and closing of things. This would curl your hair. They start the outfit the day before. Oh, baby. People just go, just wear something black. But this was worse. It was like, started the day before and then it degrades because you become lazier and lazier and less and less interested in the number. So by the end, you just like a bunch of fucking, I don't even know what. It was so, we looked so ugly and so bad. And the choreography was so abysmal. I remember that. I think I've seen you guys do it. Wasn't it like- Bootylicious? Wasn't it almost, we had like an ASL vibe of like, if you could read my mind. Like, wasn't that it? There was that. I don't want to say ASL vibe. There was a pantomime drag. It was favorite. It was sort of, I love you. People, to be fair though, we really brought the house down with our box step for Bootylicious. I don't think you're ready for this jelly. I don't think you're ready for this jelly. The dancing square? I don't think you're ready for this jelly because your body's too bootylicious for you. Iconic. I had Kelly's part, still don't know the words. Can I say that's something about, there's also something about Lady Marmalade that is a pecking order. Cause some girls can get stuck with Maya. Because, and we didn't have, we had stereo or something. Maya's part didn't even come in at the end. So I would, I'll be Maya, I don't care. Cause I go smoke. You know what I mean? And I would come back and wait. Nothing, nothing, nothing. The token black on the cast is always the little Kim. Right. The little Kim kind of had the fun part. She had the best part. She had the best part. Pink, but like. Christina is horny and also. Yes. The drag king is always Missy Elliott. Yes. Oh my God, the drag king is Missy Elliott for sure. We never had Missy Elliott. And then it's always like the drag, the reveal is that it's like, whoa, you know, it's Christina. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a big build up. It's never the girl with the best outfit. The reveal is not hitting. It was misery. She was like six, five, a black Panamanian where it was always a fight between misery and destiny being Christina. And it was just like, you know, the, the booger, the troll like me gets to be pink or Maya. And I couldn't be a little Kim cause of. The pink parts nice and short. Maya is pretty short too. Yeah. It was very short because I had no. Well, I guess, yeah, the little Kim part is a lot of words. So you would have to really know it. I mean, I know it, but I would come out, I would blaze it out like Maya and then right out the door to smoke a cigarette. And I didn't have to come back because I didn't have, it didn't play that part. I think that's what Maya does at her concerts. I think she just kind of walks out and smokes. I just watched a movie with Maya and she was in it. She gets killed. Was she in cursed that Jesse Eisenberg movie? Chicago. No, I think she was in cursed that Jesse Eisenberg. She was in Chicago. Yeah. She was in the sub-black chain. Yeah. Yes. She is quite a beauty. That's for sure. Beautiful. You know what? I wait, Brandy and Monica just did a tour and I just want to say very briefly, I really appreciate their stage wear. They did not come out in the same tired cat suit, body suit, sequins stuff like Jennifer Lopez. God love her, but she's like Jennifer Lopez is doing this like Beyonce outfit with this like hip hop choreo that just doesn't make any sense. But like Brandy and Monica have these fabulous like fucking long latex trenches and they're like, I don't know, it's fierce. Speaking of Brandy and Monica, the Queen's doing a duet with the boys. Mine is also my favorite because everybody thinks they know the words, but no one actually knows the words. I do. Well, you are just so fucking special. I never have known that song. Me and my black friend used to do that song. I never knew that song until when girls were like, do you want to just do the boys mine? I'm like, I don't know it. I think when we went on a tour once, you were like, let's do the boys. And I was like, I don't know it. Oh, it's fierce. It's fierce. I don't even know many duets or a girl I did Dancing Queen with you and you. We always don't know that one. I do know it. I know Dancing Queen. No, no, no, Waterloo. Waterloo, yeah. No, we know none of them. We do know it. We're incredible at it. Oh yeah. Oh my God, we're amazing. We're amazing. Kim and I also, one time, girl, Kim jogged my memory. We were working someplace in Iowa called, when was that gig in Iowa? We also did a Halloween duet number together. Lickety splits. Oh, we did the Boulay brothers. Yeah. But I don't know what song we did. We did Dancing Queen. Reheating the nachos for sure. For heating the nachos, girl. We did Dancing Queen, we did the Boulay brothers. Because they're our dragulah. I know. It's like girls wanna be her, and we come out like, in shity, and they're like black, not even real, like faux PVC. Oh my God. That's fine. Kim and I, we did a show in Iowa where they suckered you and I into, like, Oh my God, a group number? Yeah, at the end, you guys are gonna be in the group number. This girl, was it? It was, yeah. And they were like, so she's gonna do like a share mix at the end, I think, share, and you guys are gonna come and you're just gonna walk out in like two step, and then you're gonna turn around and face the wall, put your hands on the wall and shake your butt. And Kim and I are like, what is the song? What does the stage look like? What is the blocking? And it was so hot in there, that it was dripping condensation from the ceiling. And Kim and I are completely, it looked like if you took each of us and dipped us in like glycerin. And lacquer you'd use for the porch. We're wet. I remember distinctively, we were both holding onto the wall, shaking our butt, and Trichy also being goes, Kim, what is happening with her nose? She was like, I don't know. She's like, I don't know. We're just doing this. I'm not in a place where I will ever be, like will you just come on for the group? No, I can't. No. Unless there's a rehearsal for the group thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think we should do the group thing. But something about drag queens is like, hey, we're just gonna, although Lady Marmalade is I think the great equalizer of like everyone in this room might know one or two of these verses. Yeah, there's also no choreo. Which is why it's not good. Well, but it's a showcase. But eventually we're all out there together. Yeah, it's going. It's corny. It's very, very played out. It's corny. What is the ultimate drag opening and closing for your drag show to the stars? Oh, opening and closing. So you're performing for Beyonce, for Brandi, for... I don't know if that'll realistically ever happen. No, I think there are better candidates to go to. No, no, no, but it is happening. It's happening and you have to choose the program right now. We're working it out. But he looks just obviously. What would be your ultimate? Like if you had four or five girls in a show, what's your opening and closing number? Oh my God. Not Lady Marmalade. You think it's gonna hit, but it never actually hits the way. Maybe bang, bang? That is over. Too much. I hate that too. What if you just come up with something really random? All I want for Christmas is you. That's a great group number. Even better if it's summertime. What about Islands in the Stream? Somebody has to be Kenny Loggins. What about Los Angeles? Los Angeles and Phillips, hold on. That's a great... You could do that. That's three, right? Boy is a bottom, shout out to that. That's a good drag queen group number. But also like as a drag queen performing in other drag queens like... Greatest live of all. Nope. Six Spice Girls. We are the world. Wanna be. Wanna be. Okay, well, we don't have to... It's okay. We don't have to do it. Did you watch the Victoria Beckham documentary? No. I didn't know she had a documentary. Well, yeah, David Beckham had a great one on Netflix. Now Victoria had one. Highly recommend it. Love those fuckers. Love those fuckers. How was it? Great. People give her a lie. Ah. Did you ever watch the Jennifer Lopez documentary? This is me dot, dot, dot now? Yeah. I don't think that's a documentary. There's a documentary about the movie. The movie. Yeah. No. There's a part where... I'm waiting for it. She's like looking for a dancer and she's like, just call Derek and they name all these like celebrities and they're like, they're not available, they're not available. And she's like, call it like Derek Hu. And they're like, he's in a wedding and then she like makes a space. Oh, that's right. But it was like his wedding, that he was getting married that she expected him to like drop his own wedding and come film her movie. Baby. And honestly, Icon. Yeah. Her team reached out to me to have me delete an Instagram post that I posted I was performing with her. Really? About 10 years ago. Oh my God. You said you were doing a show with her and they reached out. Yeah, like 2017. I was like, I'm so excited to be performing with her. I was like, so excited to be performing with J.Lo tonight. My dream come true. Hours later, David's like, Jennifer Lopez's team reached out. Could you please delete that post? I was like, well, she saw me. I think at that point it would have been clearly a joke. Don't you think? No shit. I don't know that she's exactly... I mean, there's reason why I don't post that because it could happen. But you, I think everyone would know that that would never happen to you. I think it would be okay. You know, it's such a fiction. It's such a farce. Hey girls, I'm gonna be back at Jacques tonight. People would believe that. So what is your take on random pop stars, randomly using drag queens as an accessory at their concerts or music videos? I'm sure you get those offers like, hey, so-and-so is doing a tour and they're gonna bring out a drag queen. It's not paid, but... Or what about them mopping their whole stick or their catchphrase and... Oh yeah. Do you wanna say any names? Wait, we can blur it out. Am I the drama? We can blur out our mouths, but we will not cut the audio. Does that help? Does that help? Blur my face, blur my face, but keep the audio... Oh, tone my voice down. Light on some mysteries. Well, what we were saying was... It was Cardi B. You know... Oh my God. Cardi B is responsible for my favorite music artist, almost quitting music. You see, I love... Sorry, music-wise, I don't know, I'm not a fan of her personality. I feel like she's so funny. She's so charming. And also, not that Nicki Minaj has gone full Maca. I feel like we need all the good ones we can get. Oh, shit. If she can say, oh, all she wants. But you know what, though? It's not just we need the good ones. I think we need the good ones might also make you think like, we need to reach across the aisle. When I hear any of these fucking cunts saying anything, like, well, there's good and bad on both sides. I get... No, there's bad and then there's horrible shit. That's what I'm saying. To me, anything like I can see both sides or that the system's broken, just say you wear a red hat in your room at home when you're alone. Just say you hate trans people. Just say you hate trans people. It's just too late. It's too late. Well, I guess I feel whenever I get... I don't get asked very often to do those group things for celebrities, but I always say no because I just feel like... They'll tell you like, well, so-and-so really wants to feature you in a video and you have to ask like, how many other dry queens are gonna be there? Am I one of 35 dry queens that are irreplaceable? Because I don't feel like it. And there's often no pay. I can think of a lot of big artists who've offered me to do that shit for free. It's such a great publicity, though. I'm just kidding. One time was like, we want you in a video. Oh, one time. Blur that out or subtitle it. This poster asked me to be in their music video for $250. Work. Transportation that included. Your costume and makeup cost more than that. Yeah, it would have been better if they just said, like, oh, we don't have that money for budget or something. You know? Yeah. We're broke. We're desperate. We owe the IRS, but we love you so much. So you want to put $250 my way and then like what? Have me in set for how many hours and feel like you're like... Girl. Yeah. I will say the reason why you're so qualified to write this stunning food book is because you love food, you love cooking, and you've traveled the world. I really certainly think that we need to put our heads together. Put together some kind of declaration of independence on we the people, if you want to book a drag queen. Like a flow chart of like, you want to book a drag queen. Yeah. So you're going to need money. You're going to need a dressing room. You need to unfollow Debra Messing. You need air conditioning in that dressing room. You need a mirror. You need to make sure that if there are the drags from that dressing room that they're not going to steal from you. Yeah. The car to the venue. It can't be a compact car. Missing on the floor. No, recently I do Sprinter Vans. I'm never looking back. Sprinter. No time. I showed up at a gig to perform and they took me to a Jander's closet with broken glass on the floor. And I was like, there's broken glass on the floor. And then they got like a tarp and put it over the broken glass. You just put sawdust over it. And that was my dressing room. Yeah. And I'm like, it's like, well, that was Jacques. So, oh my God, loose rugs. When came when I used to work at hydrate, the basement, which our dressing was, was maybe, maybe four, four and a half. You can't stand up. And Kim's already seven seven seven. Yeah. And Kim in drag. And she used to wear all these big, elaborate head art. We'd be prone in the dressing room. We'd be like at Barry's boot camp crawling on the ground. And that's much of the floor is dirty. So if you're me touches the ground, you're tied to. Your tits are dirty. Sepsis. Yeah. I, you know, I have to think more about that because every time I fucking complain on one of our incredibly cushy luxurious, wonderful gigs, I'm like, I used to, I used to make $50 performing to no one on a loose rug filled with like baggots. And you're the happiest that you ever were. But can I take me back? Take me back. So weren't earning anyone much money. And now you are. So it's OK to say, I hope the money I earn you, I hope some of it gets used to do the things you said you were going to do when you booked me. We what? It's OK for you to say when you booked me, you said that you would provide. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lighting. No, totally, totally. But when I get those things, no, no, no, no, I'm saying that when I do get all those things, I still complain because I have a piece of shit. Yeah, it's like it's 65. I want it 64. You know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. Speaking of complaining, you know what's crazy too? Because like, at least from my experience with like working with like a lot of new queens, a lot of these queens was never like a real job, you know, like what they become old and not become old, but they become like of age. And then they go like straight to drag race. And then, you know, like they go like straight to like working these places and they like have no like they don't know how to act. They've never worked. Yeah, that is true. And they pull someone with the craziest shit that I've seen anyone pull like the exit. I'm like, I cannot believe like you will subtitle it. Don't worry. I'm not going to. Is there anything general enough that the person won't know who it is? Give us for instance. No, I don't want to start any drama. No, no, no, just give it a hypothetical. But you know, you know, there's this extremely unprofessional. They're like incredibly rude. Now, when you mean a professional like time for, you know, they have like no respect for anybody else. Yeah. There was like, they were, for my time, you know, it was like a bad thing. You feel like didn't do the meeting great because you didn't care. Like have to clean out that they just don't show up to meet in grace because they don't feel like what? And you know what else was country? This was like back in the day of early drag race, maybe like the 2015, 16th. Remember like a mix and mingle. It was like a group meet and greet. There would always be one or two people who would only show up for the last five minutes of it. Well, to be fair, a lot of those people didn't have a line. No, they did. Oh, really? Yeah. And in time, blindness, like a real thing, like I, the group shows are very time is very important. I mean, but even like my friends and like my day to day life, I have friends that I like, I love hanging out with and you know, like they're amazing, but like they'll just not show up on time. And so then I have to, and I feel like then now I'm like, I know they're going to be late. So then I start showing up late because I know they're going to be late. But then I'm like, what are you doing? I'm being trained to be late by these people. Like then why, like, why don't you just say like, okay, so eight, we're saying eight, but do we really mean nine? Like what, you know what I mean? I don't know. Why is that? I don't know. I don't know why time is such a hard thing for many people because like we are always on time. Yeah. We're same. I mean, part of why we've worked together is because we are 90% of the time. If I'm not, I'm on time because I feel that if you're not, it's directly disrespectful. Yeah. Sometimes she's on time. Sometimes she's on something else. And they're all like, oh, you know, like time, I have time blindness, you know, it's not a freaking trade, you know, like it's fucking annoying. That's like what if it was her? Who is it? Um, Madonna was just talking about that. She's like, you don't know, like it's hard to be on time. I have like my spiritual life to take care of. The spirit. There's like thousands of people waiting on you on a Monday night. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah. And that's the thing to the fans and also the respect of the drag queens. I mean, I just don't think and drag like the truth is, especially when you're on a tour, if one day you're cutting close, you just start earlier the next day. Also, we're putting on the same wig and outfit every night on a tour. That's all you're doing. That's all you're doing. Pretty much. And if you're cutting close one, I mean, I will feel like in the middle of a tour, I will get my process down to 90 minutes because I know the outfit. I know the way, you know, like, I don't know, I'd print up doing the same makeup every night. I just feel like if you're late today, tomorrow, start earlier, but that type of person, they'll never start. If anything, they get met at you for being met at them for being late. And also like this, the attitude is like, well, you know, I'm late. So, well, I also know you're an asshole. Like, I don't know. I guess you just, I don't know. I punctuality. I always grew up thinking late on time was late. Yeah. Like it was always half an hour early rather than five minutes. It is so easy to figure out your day. No matter how busy you are, like just, just start your day a few minutes early. Also, these people have a fucking assistance and assistance, assistance. You know what I mean? Not only on solo. We're on like LA time where I also think, I think LA is pretty lax with start times. In general, do you think? Because everyone was like, oh, sorry, I'm stuck in the traffic. I was at home dyeing my hair blue and smoking weed with my lesbian girlfriend. You know, LA woke. What's that? It's like, oh, you know, the traffic is so crazy. It's like you came from Rio to Rio. I had to buy my $18 coffee. Unless you're brand new in LA, you do know that some, some, some things at this time of day is twice as long. And when you do, I feel like if you live in LA long enough, you just don't agree to do like you say like, oh, you want to do this? I can't get there in time. You don't, I mean, there's like traffic, you know what I mean? You just kind of like you plan and you anticipate. You're like, that's not possible. You know what I mean? Rather than, yeah, I'll be there in 10 minutes, 45 minutes later. It's too spread out. Yeah. The real life hack, though, because I have a hard time sitting in the car and drag, the new life hack is if you can get them to get you there. One of those party buses, housewife party buses with the poles. Either or. But you know, the thing where it's a bench that's like you shaped. That's what I got to and from Chaperone. And you can sit in a corset completely upright, comfortably versus when you're in a car and drag, like, I don't know. About a hearse. Yeah. Lay me down. Honestly, right on top of the car, like Priscilla. Yeah. Speaking of which was really good seeing you at Chaperone. You're amazing. Oh, thank you. I was she open for what? 60,000 people? Yeah. It was, I was on it like six 10. So I honestly didn't think any of my friends would, she texted me. She was coming and I was like, Oh, I'm sorry. Till I just come out. No. Stroke. She was like, I'll see you tonight. And I was, I knew I was on a six 10. So I was like, I don't think anybody will see me, but. Thanks for inviting me. No, people like showed up at four o'clock. Yeah. It's like a music festival. Yeah. Honestly, it's like smart. And I've never seen a music festival where water was $3. And what the staff was also going on and passing on like free water to everyone. So people like don't pass out from it. Stuff was like reasonably priced. It was like a great experience. I honestly, Chaperone, like props to you. If you could have seen the dressing room they had for me, the luxury yurt with private air conditioning, multiple couches, a huge desk to get ready. And a mirror, lit mirror. Wow. Treating the drag queen's good. She started on time. Yes. So to be honest, I, I love start on time. Oh, I got everyone should start on time. I got hot heart and I came 802. She was on there. I was like, when Colbert Carter started on the dot, pretty much I was like, this is something could not let me tell you, I do not enjoy sitting around waiting. You know, I don't either. And we had buffet. Yeah. Like we had food. I still, I was like, I have been antsy. What's your ideal like start time for a drag show? Oh, right on the dot. And I know promoters always try to delay as much as possible to get more people in the door like I'll go sales. And I'm like, audience doesn't like that. And it's going to turn off more people from coming to your show. Cause they're like, oh, they're not going to start till 11. I'm not going to do that. If I know a show is starting on time, I will always show up so I can watch the show and leave. Yeah. Eight o'clock, eight 15. That's it. For DJing, they always put me like late or last because they do. They're afraid people will leave. They tell me that. But then I'm like, well, then they're so sick of, they're tired and too drunk or they've danced already for like an hour. So then you inherit like a very tired audience. And they're just looking at you. They're like wiped out and they don't leave because they paid money. I don't know. I don't think we should try trap people in venues. I agree. I'm gonna start to show them time, you know what? And it'll train people to show up to your thing really. They're like, Oh, the show starts at 10 o'clock, so we gotta be there at 10. You know, yeah, stop delaying it. I had to do, I did a little Halloween wiggle in Minneapolis and I was like, I hosted the first half and then there was a little break and then it was the last performer to go and I was like, I'd rather go first. Are you kidding me? I'd rather do three numbers back to back right at the beginning. Oh, I love going first. When you do work the world, do you do like earlier in the show? Oh, talk about work the world. Is that show looks so fun? Does that run on time? Oh, I've worked the world around since time now. Kim killed some people. No, no, no. Just back in the day, like there were some monsters like where the shows will be delayed by like hour or two because of these monsters. But now, they run a tight ship now for the most part. For the most part. Did you love that? I mean, just I haven't seen, I've never seen in life the clips I've watched. It just looks so fun. Yeah, I think this past concept was fun, you know, but. Ensemble tours, I think. It's tough. A lot of personalities. In some ways it's fun. When I was on the ensemble tours, it was nice because you could almost jump around with your dressing room mate. I remember sharing rooms and skipping around. It's great. You feel like the girls you tour with. Yeah, I can do it. Jinx is I love her so much. I can't be in the same room in there because she's definitely singing in your ears. Well, I remember like the first time I did a tour where I got to like, oh, my first time I get to share dressing with Farah. I have that moment of me and her getting to get ready and you really bond. Yeah. When you get ready with people. Do you have your own dressing room? Oh, depends on the venue. You know, some venues have like more things. Some venues don't. Who's your go-to sharing dressing room, Diva? Um, this past tour. Honestly, no one. I mean, I like, I like all the girls. I like all the girls on tour, but I want to be naked in my room. I want to play my music. I don't want, you know, like my music to like worry about like, I don't like the music I'm playing, you know. And I like to watch when I'm on tour, I like to watch TV shows. No, I like to put a TV show on and watch like an episode a day. Yeah, she gets ready with the compact and the complete dark. I love no quiet and dark dressing rooms. Yeah, that's absolutely valid. At least dim. I like super bright, very loud and no music. JBL in the face. Yeah. It's I know it's it's not. I like I like super bright too. Yeah, I liked and I like K-pop blasting it. Yeah, I realized my music sounds like chalk nails on a chalkboard to everybody else. So I try to. No, I actually like it. And I for me, I like the JBL to turn it on like when I'm putting on my body. When it's time to like get in character in a way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The music will help me get to that. And when we're on tour and we're filling nothing inside, sometimes I'd have to take that JBL, I pump it up and use it to walk to the stage. Yes, sometimes the music will walk to the stage. It's just like getting you into groove. You know, you got to prove your. So I don't know. Sometimes the music helps. Do you have a good pump up song? If you had to listen to only one song for the rest of your life while getting in drag. Only once. Oh my God, that is a very deep question. The Carpenters superstar. Love. I probably do car wash. OK. Five minutes. Yeah. Rose Royce. Rose Royce always gets a great flow. Yeah. What about you? I mean, probably something, Abba. Yeah. Yeah. Abba's just timeless. It eats. Like what? Not Mama. Don't make me put on a Fernando. No, I love. I really love. Um. I really love take a chance on me. Yeah. It's good. Speaking of, um, Mama, don't we put on a dress again? Um, morning I talk about this, some gig that we did, um, to this day where it was, um, Pride with Trixie featuring. We filmed it at the precinct featuring Trixie and her friends. But that's. Yes, there was no air conditioning. There was no air conditioning. And at one point. They had us hold these really heavy mannequins and they had a stance with the mannequins in this like sweaty room while Trixie singing Malibu over and over again. And one day an hour sweating so bad and these mannequins were getting so heavy to the point it was like hard to hold them up. And we were looking at each other, like just listening to Malibu. Uh-huh. And now like, whenever I come across Malibu, it automatically like triggers me. Malibu. Yeah. It's a lovely song. I wouldn't, I wouldn't sentence any of my friends to a hot room hearing me sing it on repeat. I think that's kind of aggressive, but also it was also right during COVID. So that was why it was like, we were doing a Pride special at precinct. I remember. With like no air conditioning. Talking about this, it was like the night it was like 400 degrees. It was for YouTube, I believe. You were with YouTube. And then I did a YouTube Pride special with Juno Birch and there was also an air conditioning. So, you know why I have air conditioning. It's overrated. Yeah. Especially in LA. Oh my God. I just did the Boulay's Halloween thing two weeks ago last week. How was it? How was it? What did you, what did you do for 45 minutes? Love it. That outfit you wore was fabulous. That ghost shit. The beautiful. Thank you. Oh, it goes to you. And I was leaving the venue and the person came up and said, I just want to meet you. I run the venue and I said, Oh, what happened to the air conditioning? And it was like one a.m. in the alley. In front of her. And he in, he goes, Oh, we had one of our things went out. And I said, Oh, bomber six year in a row. Have a great night. Like I don't care anymore. You don't have air conditioning and you keep lying about it. I won't be seeing you again. Who's going to be exposed tonight? Like it's just too hot. Yeah. Yeah. It's not enjoyable. It's too hot. Nobody benefits. There's no, I'm seeing drips off my face, hit the equipment. I'm like, what are we doing? Have you tried losing some weight, fatty? Wait, I will never forget for wearing it. Give me that book. Wacker with the book. If I don't want to lose any weight, I surely will be cooking every single recipe in your book. Um, where can people get it? Yeah, available. Any cool place that sells books, books. Anywhere to sell books. Um, but also you can go to my Instagram, link in bio for all the various places where you can participate. Congratulations, author. Thank you. Along with Kim's beauty. Oh, by the way, I just got your, um, thank you for the PR stuff. Of course. Yeah. Are you guys in CVS now? Oh, we're in CVS. We're at J.C. Penny. We're also on Ulta.com. Oh, yeah. Alta's new. Yeah. Alta.com. Well, Kim's products, I love your products. Your products are con. The blushes, the concealer, the concealers I use. The drag queens turn out for those concealers. They are amazing. I use, I love using them as eyeshadow bases. They're gorgeous. Also the brush applicator. Yes. Like speed of just like, yes. You did. Squeezy. And then. Yeah. I love your products too. Kim knows everything about makeup and everything about food. So this is a wonderful gift item for anybody in your life who likes drag and likes to eat food. Did you, you've always been a foodie, but have you always been able to cook? Oh yeah. Have you ever tried eating your makeup? Never cooked for me. Not yet, but we do, we have just released some lip glosses that are like scented and flavored. So. Love that. I'm going to make some of this shit. I love your makeup. Yes, I am. I love cooking. You cook? Yes. Since when? Oh, started during COVID. I learned using green chef. So it's over for you, Ho. Oh my God. Can I have that? Yeah. This book. Yeah. They never sent me one. Oh, this is my copy. They never said it was supposed to go to me. I can buy one. I'll buy one. You're rich. Thank you fat fuck. Congratulations on your double book. Your double book release. Can I? With whoop, you can focus on living better for longer, understand your sleep, optimize your training and build habits that support your well being. Whoop gives you personalized insights into your sleep, your recovery, your strain, your mental health, your mental health. Your recovery, your strain and the patterns that may influence how you feel. With more clarity and consistency, you can create routines that support you throughout the year. Add more life to every moment. Discover whoop at whoop.com.