Rachel Reilly Talks The Traitors S4 Ep 8

Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Sestranino back with a Traders Feedback show talking about week eight. What a busy week it was in the Traders world where the second week in a row, a trader went out and I'm very excited to talk about it. We have a great guest here today. Of course, with us always, Pouya is Amy Keeley, the Duke of Deception. Pouya, how are you? Doing great, Rob. Very excited, very fun guest. Can't complain. Pouya, would you like to introduce our incredible guest today? Oh, it would be an honor. Absolutely. Coming at you here for the first time this season, we have a guest to talk all things on the feedback show. We have a person who kicked off this show, this phenomenon in the U.S. by featuring on the first season of The Traitors and very recently ended up being the most heartbreaking elimination of a season of Big Brother that took over the summer. It's the one and only Rachel Riley. Rachel, how are you? Hi, guys. Thank you. I'm good. You know, I'm loving the outfits this season on The Traitors. I hear you guys talk about it often. Yeah, Rob, you were great. Very snazzy dressed. Thank you. I appreciate it. I didn't want to embarrass myself too badly, but I really feel like that are, do we give you enough credit for helping to elevate the wardrobe of The Traitors? because I think that people may not necessarily realize that really it's not every edition of the traders that has such a focus on the fashion on traders UK for the most part other than somebody like dapper Stephen that they tend to wear pretty plain clothes to play on the traders where it's really only the traders US has a very elevated style and sense of fashion and that was something that I feel like that you were one of the pioneers. Oh, thank you. I agree. And I think Kate and I made it such like a central point of the show to talk about each other's fashion that I always felt like it was, um, you know, like it became such a big topic of conversation. Plus with Alan, like always like going over the top, I think that like that also elevated it. But yeah, season one is so different from like, now there's an expectation. Like if you go on traders you better have what are you wearing right yeah that's the first thing you have to think about it's so elevated and so yeah that you were what like one of the pioneers who got it started and of course played with uh stephanie and sari who are going to be on 50 so i really the first season of the traders might be an interesting look back yeah i wolf i think because of the traders and snake in the grass their relationship on survivor 50 is forever going to be evolving which is really crazy how it's crazy how they had a relationship before because of survivor anyways but then now because of their other shows they're going to go back on survivor and have an even like different relationship yeah right like it like but you go back if you went back with like yam yam on something right like that would be such a different relationship it would be so different yeah crazy it's crazy how all these shows like affect it yeah how are you doing what's going on with you and brendan we're good yeah um we're very busy uh dora is walking in new york fashion week next week and i'm hosting some of the shows which is really exciting next week this week in like two days i'm very excited happen are you a stage mom now i wish like that's my actual dream to be a full-time stage you would be so good at it i would right i would be such a good stage mom I told Brendan I want to homeschool and be a stage mom, but he was like, let's see how this one goes. Yes. But so Adora's been doing fashion. We started doing the Nashville Fashion Week right after Big Brother. And then we got invited to do a Dillard's holiday fashion show. Well, and then not Candace Dillard, right? No, the Dillard's. It's like a department store. I know. I know. OK, OK. Yeah. And they're in North Carolina. so you definitely um but because of the nashville fashion week adore got asked to do a new york fashion week with a brand and then the they asked me with another brand they like have been kind of they all talk it's like this little industry with the kids modeling so they asked me to host some shows and adore to walk so it's really fun but yeah it's been great brendan's doing amazing he's like you know a professor he's just loving life doing all the things yeah okay well rachel i want to get your take on everything that's going on so we're going to talk a little bit with rachel here and i want to hear rachel's takes on everything with the season and then i need to dip and run into another meeting is calling me in just a little bit but then puya and rachel are going to go through all your feedback questions here on the feedback show so how are you feeling about season four so far my gosh i love it i'm not gonna lie i think i was not expecting what we've gotten because i will tell you the truth when i heard about rob being a traitor i was really disappointed because i was like what a waste like who is this guy like sure he's from love island we all know he's good looking do you watch love island i do i do yeah yeah um and i love love island and i thought like he would be fun and i thought him and mara would have some cute interactions but i wasn't really expecting anything from them and now i'm like who is rob he is like a gamer i mean he's really good at this traitor thing and yes i'm kind of surprised i was really disappointed obviously that you got murdered that was the biggest mistake on their part i think oh i think it was the smartest thing they did really well i think that not to like toot my own horn a little bit but i think that I would have been one of the few people in the castle who wasn't like falling over themselves. Like, Oh my God, Rob, Rob Roush is the greatest guy ever. Like, I think he's a really good player. I don't mean to be like a player hater if it sounds like that, but there are so many people that are just swooning over him. They are obsessed with him. Which is crazy because for his game, like Colton was so obsessed with him. So I'm kind of, I kind of am confused why he let Colton go so easily. We'll talk about that later, but yeah, it's season four is it's good. Yeah. I think Ian and I were probably the two people in the castle who were not going to be obsessed with Rob Roush and that he was very smart to push to get rid of the both of us. And I have to give him a lot of credit because I don't even think that the producers thought that he was going to be that good at it. Rachel, I say that the producers, they always like to throw one person who's really going to be like the wild card into the turret. And in your seat back in the very first season that they had, okay, we know Sari, we know Cody, they're gamers. Let's throw a real curve ball in and let's throw Christian also. Now they have to deal with that. And I think that they threw him in there feeling like, okay, Lisa's going to be good at this. Candace is going to be doing, but how are they going to deal with Rob? He's a, he's a loose cannon and he's been so good. He's been so good. I know. I can't imagine they would have predicted that either. I'm with you. because even his alan interview when alan interviews you guys you know in the beginning i felt like he wasn't giving answers that were like a cold-hearted traitor it was like you talk to the guy he would give you nothing he was eating oreos and and and and like creating the fridge right and the rest of them love that they just think it's adorable he could have 20 000 oreos and they would think that he was the cutest oreo eater it's just i don't know what it is Okay, we saw some traitor-on-traitor violence these last two weeks. What did you make of Rob versus Candace? I loved it. It was, like, so perfect, cinematic. It was such classic, like, what you as a viewer want to see, right? Like, I'm not saying it was good game because it was bad game. And especially when Candace asked everyone else to leave, that was so fishy. and I feel like Rob when she did that I felt like he should have been like more obvious about it but the two of them together by themselves now that everyone knows Candace's traitor is a bad move but for me as a viewer it was the best thing I've ever seen from the traitors I think because usually we see the messiness in the turrets but they were just they were messy all over the castle you know I really feel like that Candace she's so quick and sharp and so fast that and I really I pray for Rob Roush at the reunion because I think he's in a lot of trouble we never really got to see her go like toe to toe with anybody and that was like as close as we got it in she had such a good social game she didn't need to but if anybody ever attempted to go against her at the round table I think that she would have chopped them up I think so too. And I, I like how she's the one that also has introduced us to this whole new era, which we already knew. But the whole thing about the housewives won't vote against other housewives and housewives won't go against housewives. I felt like I already knew that, but now I think it's going to change their game going forward. How so? How do you think it's going to be different? Well, because, you know, like seasons one through three, it was very heavy gamer focus. Like the gamers, we dominated it. It was like, you know, you knew that you kind of had to get out the gamers. It was only a matter of time, especially with season four, which is why I think they've gotten out the gamers so quickly. Now I think people are going to realize that you can't have the housewives all in together because they're never going to go against each other. They're not going to vote each other out. It's almost like, yeah, it's almost like having a bunch of besties in there, you know, in an unnamed alliance. It doesn't matter if they're a traitor or faithful or whatever. They're not going to turn on each other. You know, I would push back against that a little bit respectfully in that they kind of did go after each other where that we saw Lisa voted for Portia. And maybe it was like such a that that it was, hey, what are you doing? I can't believe you voted for a housewife. But we saw two housewives in the turret. Then they killed Caroline. so they did kind of cannibalize each other but i do think it raises eyebrows at the round table anytime a housewife would vote for one of the other housewives yeah that's true i i do i guess you're right because like i always forget about carolyn so i feel like yeah i guess it is true they do go and on last season they kind of like cannibalized a little bit too and even with Phaedra she got you know she had to cannibalize the housewives a little bit so maybe well we'll see we'll see what happens because I still feel like I would get I wouldn't keep all the housewives in there together you know yeah yeah I feel like we've what we have seen a lot is people lump in the quote-unquote gamers all into a group and I think what you do see with the gamers often is that first of all gamers got everyone got a personality and everyone's very different so the whole united front thing you don't quite get that with the gamers necessarily and you know there the there is a level of strategy of if you are a traitor to murder a gamer or two just to make it seem like it would be idiotic of me to get rid of a gamer i think similarly the logic was there that's why caroline gets taken out of like we don't want all the housewives necessarily here because then they'll start looking at us as a group but i do think that the one thing the housewives have shown to do more than any other subgroup on the show is the lack of willingness to want to vote for each other or this or maybe it's more of a it's more of a stereotype that's been put on them so to speak because i do think that when people do vote for house without housewife people are immediately like that's a red flag so for example i do not think anyone's going to look at dorinda for voting Candace here. But then in the first vote out, when Lisa goes Portia, that's something that they're going to put on their microscope and really push later on So I think it going to evolve here but yes if i if i on season five and i see five housewives i be like there can be five housewives yeah yeah that's what michael rapaport said yeah i mean i think about it they should all stay together how many housewives how many houses puya you made a good point yeah it's true yeah yeah it just the way i looked at it rachel with the gamers was that i and this season there was only five and i think last season there was seven or eight people from survivor and big brother that were on the show and yeah and the chat and the challenge when you lump wes in there i felt like okay well hey if we just keep numbers it doesn't even have to be an alliance i said to Tiffany, like it doesn't need to be a full on cookout. Let's just not vote against each other at the round table. That'll help. But I don't think everybody was totally sold on that idea, but it's the kind of thing where it really, you might be able to outlast the initial wave of people. If you are like throwing the other gamers under the bus, but you eventually, if they don't find a trader, they're going to start looking for, well, who are the gamers that are left? Yeah, no, for sure. Like I'm really worried for Natalie. I think Natalie is definitely in trouble because that's the first person. If I was a Bravo person or a celeb, that's not from another show. I would literally be like, why is there only one gamer left? And it's Natalie. That doesn't make sense. You know what I mean? Like, I think she's going to be in trouble for that reason. Now, did Rob recruit the right person? because I just it blows my mind that he of all the people Eric like I just don't see that like why did he do that but maybe I'm missing something to me it's reading like he doesn't want to solo this um Eric is someone that he could work with I think it's someone that he would want to collab with a little bit because I think if he wanted to ride this solo 100% you get one of the two two other guys he mentioned in Steven or Johnny and just kick him out immediately. But I think he wants someone, he wants a, he wants an Alliance here. I think that one thing that we'd have seen was up until the, he ends up at this fork in the road where he doesn't want to vote Ron. He doesn't want to like look a type of or Colton and he's going to vote Lisa. They were doing great in that turret as a team. And I think he doesn't want to do, I think he wants that, that team. If I could, if I, if I could speculate, as to like getting inside Rob's head a little bit. If you take a look at like what just happened with Lisa and with Candace, that he had people who he wasn't necessarily on the same page on and people that were going to really call him out. And I thought in this episode, you saw Rob squirm in a way you haven't seen him all season. I don't think he particularly likes confrontation. I don't know if he necessarily minds it in terms of like some of the things he's done on Love Island in terms of, but I think he prefers to just be the one who's the, like, okay, I'm done with you as opposed to be the person who's going to like get reamed out. And of anybody left in the game, Eric is not somebody who's going to really drag him at the round table ever. Right. Well, that makes sense. But I would think, but like, what about like Mara? Cause like, I see where you would pick Johnny or Steven to get rid of them, but then you could pick Mara because like she, I think like low key, they're friends. And like, she seems like someone that's not going to rat him out either. Yeah. I think that that it comes down to a man versus woman thing in terms of that. If they, they've already been three women traders that have been caught. I think people are going to be looking for a man eventually. And if he can have somebody who is a man as a shield to, if, if they find the other trader, then it's like, okay, good. okay we found the other now it could be anybody but if it's still just another woman then they end up still looking for him rachel i need to yeah i need to jump onto another call i know we've got a lot of great questions from the listeners always a pleasure to catch up and i can't wait to listen to the rest of the show good to see you all right take care all right and we will continue flying this plane like nothing changed um Rachel what has been your thoughts on and obviously we've we're down to just Natalie what has been your thoughts on the rest of the fellow gamers that have fallen throughout this season now that Rob is here also feel free to well I obviously am sad about Rob like that was my I was really disappointed because I thought Rob would be someone who would strategically like really step up the traders game and I feel like because we've like Rob you know he's such a he's such a gamer he knows he's like this world So that was my most disappointing loss. Obviously disappointed about Tiffany. I thought Tiffany would be a great person to be a traitor. And I was kind of sad that she wasn't picked as a traitor. But then I was like, okay, she's a faithful. So she'll be sticking around. And then, of course, no. I think with like, I'm trying to think. With Ian, that was like just the first murder. and then it makes sense because with the traders that were picked I felt like of course they're going to pick a game murder murder first like that is almost like the best gameplay for them right so yeah but I think like for the most part I'm very impressed with Rob's gameplay so I haven't been as disappointed as I thought it would be because I was like well I thought it would be just kind of there will be no gaming and now it feels like there's been a lot of gaming so i'm excited yeah i don't know what's gonna happen in the end of the season i know and like it's gonna be interesting because i do feel like for me i feel the same way you do i've really enjoyed the season despite losing some of our our friends along the way here and i'm just curious what this end game looks like because i think a lot of people have echoed the same sentiment of um it's been very fun this turret has been great but now is rob just gonna have a cakewalk to the end and i think that i think that the way they've shown us the faithfuls we're getting weaker faithful energy but i feel i can't i still feel like there's a couple of these faithfuls that probably have something going on and are cooking that we're not seeing yet um i'm just waiting to see if they mark has talked maybe for five minutes like it's a running joke he's just like oh yeah i do you guys have a counter is it like that's a thing on chat bcc like how much airtime has mark ballas gotten um so i feel like that to me is like a sign about how the faithful's energy is because we have like a mark and then a steven who same thing who does he even talk um then like see the problem is i don't even remember some of their names because they're right they've been Kristen is the top chef right Kristen yeah yeah so yeah like same thing like she just has bad reads and uh Tara and Johnny are best friends they both know their face so and I love seeing that friendship and I'm so glad that that friendship's still in there but I don't see either one of them being like overtly um outspoken at round tables to call out um Rob ever because they also like rob so that is the problem that's the thing exactly they all like rob yeah like no i can't think of who is going to smarten up to rob's behavior i think that's the biggest but she loves him she's every single time she's good with him yeah yeah she's like i hope it's rob i hope it gets the dagger he's my guy like so yeah it's gonna be very interesting now because i do think that you know something that benefited the faithful or not the faithful sorry something that benefited Rob, who is probably more of a quiet player, as far as a trader goes, is there were some loud voices to be the mouthpieces, to be the distractions while he was operating with the less of those available. Now I'm curious who grabs the microphone, like who was like, all right, my turn, because I think we're running low on that. And it looks like we're going into either Steven Coletti is going to get accused or Johnny is going to get accused. i think that might bring johnny out um of his shell but hopefully i think yeah it looks seems like the foreshadowing is the heat's going to be on johnny yeah which it's very interesting to me because johnny i think is someone who shocked me when he suggested the hey hey let's make a group of eight and then run the numbers i was like okay johnny i think they never voted together so no but and that's the thing too and traders a group of eight doesn't necessarily work right yeah it's like because you could have someone in your group of eight that is a trader so the problem is is that they're all like they're not playing the traders game and they're not playing a gamers game so they i think that we really do need like an actual gamer in there to kind of like move the action along because with the group of eight you're never i mean what's the point you know um but I don't know I don't know we'll see what happens I mean Johnny could get on uh like he could get called out and then he could come out of his shell like you said and then he could get uh more like outspoken and more focused on trying to find a traitor and I think that would be more interesting um but some of the some of the other people I just don't know I don't really see them going after and like Mara is so fun and so pretty but I feel like she's very much like the Gabby of it all right where it's like maybe she's not gonna be calling out traitors but Gabby even called traitors out a little more than this I think for Mara with Rob specifically I think there's a level of marination that's happened there where yeah you know and credit to Rob he went out of his way early to like you know help her like work with her in the missions and like has been showing her a more like warm side and to the point where she was basically offended for him that you candace you put a throw of a vote on him and now we're pushing him that makes no sense so and i think that to answer to you mentioned earlier why wouldn't he just bring mora in i think part of it also is that mora is the perfect faithful to be at the end for him and for him but that's if he wants to go for the solo win yeah like think about it if he's at the end with natalie and maura neither of them are voting rob um then he should be in a safe spot that's true but is he going to it's like i feel like if he if what you're saying is true where there is that marination that relationship is going to then want to turn on her to be the solo winner you know what i mean right maybe he doesn't maybe he's more cutthroat than we think well that's the fun part because i do feel like some people think i'm capable of doing that and then they get in there and they're playing and you can very clearly see oh they can't keep lying they hate this they're they're suffering from this um so will he do it i think he thinks he's gonna do it will he get there and be able to who knows we'll find out i did have a question for you rachel that i found very interesting someone asked um what are your favorite changes to the show since you were on are there any changes you've noticed from season one to now where you're like i wish we had that on our season oh my god there's so many first of all the shield like i wish we would have had the shields on my season because like we had one shield you could win and it was a random and it was like you went into you know you picked out of a box. But I feel like this having all the shields opportunities that would have made me more motivated to be more outspoken Because if I had a shield in my pocket and I a faithful then I going to call out the traitors because I know that they not going to murder me that night You know what I mean? Right. So I love that they've made they've made that change. I'm thinking like another change I really like is the all these like other twists and like the secret traitor. that was fun like they do different twists every season that I really like um that are just kind of fun a fun addition to the game now as far as the actual way that traders is played I think it has evolved even since my seasons and I remember like everyone got so mad at me for being a gamer season one they're like well you this is a game remember like it was crazy I got like that's why I went home this is just a game to you okay but now people like take it like it's just a game so they're playing it like more like it's a game so I love that too um I was just fun it's just it's really evolved into this fun campy like theatrical show that you just enjoy watching because you know that it's just you know you know what to expect it's just a fun experience of like an hour three hours i wish they would have um sometimes i really want to see two episodes but then sometimes i'm like i don't want to see all the episodes drop at once you know what i mean yeah i think for me the number one thing i wish your season had as a viewer of course is i wish it wasn't a immediate everything dropped in one day because i think it would have been so much fun for us to have discourse about your season throughout the course of like two months versus within a week people had either seen it already or had seen the results and did not like did not you know explore it further i know yeah so i wonder if to me i wonder if they dropped it all just because they got that initial buzz and everyone like talking about it and everyone wanted to download peacock because it was just such the only thing everybody was talking about like even you guys like i remember the drop i think what you guys like did all the all the episodes in one day or something right we yeah we went wild with it we watched an episode then would record to come in and record the podcast then go back and watch the next episode then come back and record the next podcast yeah we made it a whole event out of it which was a lot of fun very memorable yeah and like i think credit to your cast because honestly i think you are the reason why the show then gets put on the map and then starting season two it becomes a full spectacle and it's a whole event it's now january is traders month everyone knows this and it wouldn't happen if not for a fire first season so that's true i and i think you're right and i think that we got everything that you could have dreamed of the first season and then now it's become a such a different show but it's also like you get because of first season you get the other stuff so i'm hoping they'll do an all-stars you know that's the rumor but we'll see it is the rumor yeah well would you like to talk about some names potentially i think that'll be fun if um not i'm not gonna put you in the spot and be like hey let's cast the whole season right now because that would be we don't want your threat level to change or nothing like that we don't want any of that i guess i would ask you this um is there any because i think a lot of people would immediately say hey Rachel Kate put them on from season one are there any names from season one that you would like to have be in the conversation I think Michael would be really fun because he was such a big personality and he was a newbie right but for him to be able to like you know have a voice at the table with all of these reality stars with big voices I think that that was like impressive and he was a big personality from that season um andy was fun from season one i would love if they did it again um i don't know i mean i would love stephanie of course right i she's my girl like i would love to do it with her uh but and seri would be fun too but seri was a traitor and seri won so it's like do you do we cast seri again seri had such an epic story so it's like almost yes but then it's also like I don't know because she's you know was a traitor and she won but you know what would be fun uh what I would want to see Sarion I would love if they did an international crossover season yes yeah and they had Sarion against like this Rachel girl from the UK like she's really like cutthroat like some of these other people like these other players that are pretty cutthroat from the other seasons um from the other franchises I would love to see crossover between like having the you know new zealand and australia traders and uk traders just all the traders it'll be fun that would be dream casting for me to sit there and talk about who should be on an international all-stars because there are so many and like they're very different personalities and putting them all together and they might not all know each other either which could be very intriguing for me like i would assume that they wouldn't know each other And I would assume that unless you're a big Traders fan after watching the show and you've watched the other franchises, you might not even have seen how the other people played. Sign me up. I'm all in. Right. Me too. Me too. Yes. Well, speaking of casting, someone wanted to know and said, does Rachel have any casting advice for folks applying for the civilian season? And we found out this year in the fall, we're going to get a brand new season of the Traders on NBC. I believe civilian only civilians on that show is open for casting right now all the way to I think March so Rachel you have experience both being on the show with doing you know working in this department what's your advice to the hopefuls out there well the biggest thing I would say is that you well besides having big energy and being a fan of the show because those are important things. I would say to go in and talk about your like sleuthing skills. And I know that that's a silly thing to say, but like, I think they want to know from what I've been told from other people that are like actually working on the show is that they want to know people aren't just going to go in and try to play big brother on the traders. They want to know like, yes, exactly. So they want to know that they're like there for the traders. They're like, they're going to find a traitor because that's the idea of the show right they want to make sure people are there to like sniff out a traitor not to like you know maybe have alliances or whatever they just want to make sure that they are playing the traitors game yeah and i think that you know this is something we talked about a lot during season two and even when johnny's eight-person alliance comes up i was like the this isn't like you can't play this like those other games because ultimately this isn't a situation where you can win at the end if you do not figure out who the traitor is at its core yes voting out of faithful can get you further but if you're at the end with a traitor none of that matters and you don't know who is a traitor so you have to play you have to put some detective work forward otherwise you're doing nothing like you're just not good yeah 100% yeah and also like at the end of the day i put this in chat bcc all the time but like do people care about the challenges on the show anymore because I remember thinking it was such a big deal on my on my season on season one because we didn't know how the game was really played and we didn't really understand it so I thought like the money was so important but the truth is is like it's really not because again at the people that will care about that the money the most is a trader because the traders are going to there will be a traitor likely until most of the end of the game right? Like they're going to keep recruiting. They're going to keep doing this stuff. It is, there will be a trader. So you're going to have to get rid of that trader eventually. So if you're faithful, your job during these missions shouldn't even be worrying about the money. It needs to be worrying about seeing who is worried about the money. Who's being very keen and looking at them. Yeah. Cause I think your season also had these missions that felt a lot more like personal i feel like now with the introduction of the shield and it's become a little bit different but i do think that you know again fact find investigate i think these are fun things to do you don't have to you don't have to be the most loud person voting out a trader and or looking for a trader anyway but use those skills practice and then so that you can figure out the one at the end like you said rachel there's going to be a rotation of like eight of them sometimes depending on how many I'll get. So just keep practicing so that when you do get to like the end game, you can find the one that you need to find the most. Exactly. A hundred percent. And then win. Easy enough. Rachel, the people would like to know who from your last season of Big Brother would make the best trader. Not be on the show, just make the best trader who has the skills to be deceptive. The skills to be deceptive. Wow. Well, I say this like not even if people are going to be like, oh, Rachel said coming at this person. No, but like the skills to be deceptive, Vince. I feel like he probably would be a good trader. And I'm not saying he would even be entertaining on the show, but it's as far as skills to be a good trader. He would be a good trader. and I'm not saying that in any like personal way at all just like how he plays games that is it um but who do I want to see on this show like I would love like I mean I have so many friends from last season like you know Morgan um I think Ashley would be fun I think Jimmy would be fun to see on the show people that will like definitely be outspoken and have a good time with it oh that's the other thing that the casting team told me they're looking for people that are very outspoken because they want to make sure people talk up at roundtables speak up of course yeah yeah so like you said give the energy and you're when you're making your video like yes yeah exactly make sure you don't hold back and if you're like on a zoom or on a phone call with people make sure that you are you know letting them know that you will tell it how it is or what you think how it is right yeah now a personal question for me this is not on the form here um brendan when do we see brendan on the show would you like to see brendan on the show i would love to see brendan on the show he would be fun and i think more than anything i think brendan would be a really good faithful like he wants to go in and be a trader of course but i think he would be a really good faithful um i would love to see him on the show i think he would do great at the missions i think he would make great friends with everyone um my prediction is like he ends up being the goofy, silly guy that has like, he's very smart. So when he goes to round tables, he's going to have like very smart statements about why people are traitors. And I feel like he's going to have bad reads. A little bit of shame, but I think he's going to have bad reads. So he's going to be loud and wrong as we were telling me. Exactly. But smart about it. Very smart, like tactical and wrong. Right. Oh, totally wrong. Like yesterday you were talking to lisa and lisa is a traitor and i saw you guys in the room and i could tell you were talking about something but it's going to be totally wrong but like have a very thought out scientific reason behind why this person is a traitor well speaking of traitors here um this is a question about eric so eric we saw at the end of last episode is the person that is going to get blackmailed uh whether you know, an invite to the turret or you say no and get murdered. Yeah. Do you think there a world where Eric says no No absolutely not Because given that situation he thinking well you don have the option I mean unless you are just done with the show in general and you just not having a good time like who's gonna say no you don't have an option anyways but even being by the traitors without being blackmailed I wouldn't I couldn't imagine someone saying no like when Peter did, it was like very surprising, but it was Peter that did that right on season two. He said no. Yeah. He did say no. And we were like, what are you doing? Right. We were all in shock. And when he did that, that was surprising. But then we've seen what people that don't even have the option. So it's like, I can't imagine anyone even saying no without the option. Cause like what, so you just want to die. You just want to leave the show. Like what's going on? You know, yeah, I've I said this on the recap and I'll say it here just in case anyone didn't doesn't didn't watch the recap without spoiling it in one season in one of the many franchises I've watched one season. Someone did say no and knew they were going to die as a result and just leaves. And it's very unexpected to see that ever happen, because, again, you're just exiting the game for no reason, no benefit to yourself. so I'm assuming he'll say no but I would I mean I'm assuming he'll say yes but of all people on this cast ratio if there's one person I'm a little bit like I could see him maybe saying no it is Eric so I'm really hoping I'm gonna be pissed I'm gonna be pissed if he says no I'd be irritated with him so I hope he doesn't because I think it would be fun to see him play a traitor it would be fun to see him be a traitor and I loved his face that he made he was just like what like so in shock it was amazing um so i think i mean i'm pretty sure he's gonna say yes i'm pretty sure they're gonna go in for a murder and i think that he is gonna have so many um like he's gonna oppose rob's decisions so much because he's gonna just he's not gonna want to murder his friends so i'm i really think they're gonna have a hard time coming to a person coming to a one murder a night because it's gonna be like let's do this no i don't think so and i feel like eric's gonna overthink it a lot yeah because i hope he does oh that'll be more fun for us if there's a lot of overthinking it exactly yeah because like we we broke it down it was like okay so if they're trying to keep as many of the men out because their assumption is that the pendulum is going to shift to all right there's got to be a man in the turret then they're gonna look at potentially um murdering a woman here but then kristen's safe she has the shield uh he's not gonna want more out natalie's probably gonna end up like it really ended up being is it just tara but then he wouldn't want tara because if they're gonna frame johnny tara going out is the worst decision so they don't have a lot of options for for this one i'm really curious who they're gonna murder it will be i think it there's a good chance it's natalie but i feel like rob would be a miss to get rid of natalie because she's so like believes in him and as a faithful so much yeah so that would be not a good game move for him but he got rid of colton and colton was obsessed with him too so maybe he's just you know but i don't know colton seems like a troublemaker he seemed like he would have eventually uh targeted rob because he's like such a wild card you know what i mean yeah like i and it's so amazing to me a world we live in where it genuinely was the best move for rob's game for colton to get murdered yeah um it just worked out real nice for him yeah um i have one more question for you here rachel and this might not be really a game question or strategic one it's just more of a morbid curiosity question let's talk about breakfast let's talk about breakfast and and this infatuation with the salmon can you speak on that can you enlighten me you didn't have salmon so like if i had salmon i would have been so obsessed with it like you don't understand you you go there and you're kind of hungry anyways but like when you see this like breakfast just in front of you and you know like because you're anticipating it you're thinking about it all morning you know you're gonna go out you don't know what group you're going in so like for you you're just thinking about everything that's gonna be there there's toast there's tea there's coffee there's like for me we didn't have salmon so we had like eggs and pastries but you're just thinking about going to breakfast and sitting down and what you're gonna grab and so yeah if we had salmon I think I would have been super obsessed I probably would have been really mad at someone if they ate the last piece of salmon oh do you know what's funny this is a totally side note but it's very funny because i watched a tiktok i think i can't remember who made it but it was about the salmon and it was like uh the people are more likely on the u.s version to murder someone because they're eating all the salmon than any of the other versions they're like they only go to traders right absolutely yeah they're like if you eat the salmon you're murdered you're done the salmon had more camera time this season than mark ballas has truly bless them but there's been more i've seen more pieces of salmon than mark ballas confessionals let's just put it that way literally yeah um rajah let me get some predictions from you here before we wrap up okay do you think what do you what what results are we getting this season do you think it's a faithful win is it a trader win is it a solo trader win is it rob is it the recruit trader where do we where do you think we end up here that's tough because i feel like i feel like we're up we're at the point in the game where we just i really don't know how it could go but i think if if it's been going how it's gonna go i would i would say 100 rob solo trader gonna win but now with rob being because he's kind of the only gamer but everyone loves him there's no you know target on him i think he's safe i think eric is probably really bad traitor and i think eric gets out and spoils himself as a traitor before rob does and then rob is like hands in the air oh no had no idea kind of deal right then people believe rob more is a faithful um so there's that whole avenue but then there's also the whole like eric is such a bad traitor that he like accidentally like spoils Rob being a traitor too you know like some says something last night Rob you know something dumb um I don't know I guess we'll have to find out we'll see this we'll have to find out yeah I don't know it could go either way I hate saying that I want it yeah I want to have a good prediction but I feel like if it was if I would have been asked at a cliffhanger would Rob recruit who's Rob going to recruit I would have said Rob's winning but now that he recruited eric it's like we'll see we'll see that combined with i just there's no world that i can see where no one whether it's this episode the next one the next one where someone's not going to be like wasn't it weird that the trader voted for rob twice should we look at that like surely someone like that's a card left on the floor surely you look at it so and the fact that candace had a hinky vote and she's the only person ever to it's just like for me that would have been the biggest red flag candace's vote candace is a traitor candace says that she went after rob and then changed her whole story during the round table it's just too much to not have any suspicion on him but then again we're dealing with people you know i mean who knows what these faithfuls are thinking they just i don't i don't know if they're what game they're playing right yeah and i and i think that you know it's it's like they're all saying the stuff out loud but i don't think they're clocking it in the whole you know candace was so calculated so good so smart but it doesn't make sense that she had a throwaway vote it's like well then if she's smart piece it together why would she push this person's name um and then she was a traitor Like, I think, again, I'm just I know that this season especially has made us kind of doubt our faithfuls. I have to imagine someone's going to piece it together, whether. OK, so here's my prediction. Someone's going to figure this out. Someone's going to solve the puzzle. Will they have enough sway and outgoingness to successfully get it? That's the question. That's a great question, because once someone does solve the puzzle, if they don't have the sway and our trader doesn't know then our then that person gets murdered or that person gets murdered and then they say it's obviously not me because that would be too obvious the blame game right yeah or that person gets banished in the next one because then now that person is the number one subject so we'll see it could still be really exciting it could still be very very interesting i think i think so i think there's still a lot of potential for this end game i think one thing is for certain people who thought it was going to be a cakewalk and just an easy finish i do not think that's what we're getting here um even if it is if we do end the season with a rob win i think it will be a bumpy ride to that point um so i'm intrigued rachel thank you so much for giving us your time this has been absolutely delightful um is there anything you would like people to check out and find from you? Oh, yeah. I mean, check out my Instagram, I guess. I mean, I don't know. Like, I just filmed a movie that will be, I'll be posting information about that. And then like, I'm working on these fun game shows. So follow me for like casting stuff and send me DMs if you see something that I'm casting or I'm working on, or even if you're just like hey I really want to do this show whatever it is um I can usually point you in the right direction so don't be afraid to reach out but thank you for letting me plug that of course and as Rachel has mentioned a couple of times come through the chat BCC Rachel's there a lot of the alumni are there we have a good time there we do we like a lot goes down we talk about the episodes but then there's also like all these other side conversations and like stuff is constantly unraveling and i'm just like what is actually happening in chat bcc this has happened on every single show right it's kind of interesting yeah it's it's very it's been a fun thing that i feel like it's a space that we didn't have before and i mean nothing will ever replace the weird first two three weeks we had in that chat bcc was both in there and then not there and it was there's a lot going on so i had no idea until i was like i had put something in the chat in the very beginning and then he responded to it and i was like oh shit i didn't know he was in the chat then he like just left the chat and that was so random um and then everyone's like is colton in the chat anymore like it was like crazy i feel like that happens on each one of these shows because big brother had a lot of crazy stuff oh my god i know it's been chat bcc you you were the star of BB27 and Brandon Villegas was the star of chat BCC BB27. Let me tell you. Everyone said. It was phenomenal. Yeah. Well, Rachel, thank you so much. I do appreciate you being here. As you already know, we'll be back on Thursday with another recap, myself and Rob, after the episode. And be on the lookout for feedback for all the interviews. Just make sure you're subscribed. We know traders over here on RHAP. Take care. I'll catch you next time. Have a good one. Thank you.