837: Menu Bar Mayhem

welcome back to the mac power users i'm david sparks and joined again by mr stephen robles how are you today stephen i'm doing really well david how you doing i am doing great uh had great feedback on your first episode uh thanks everybody who sounded off in the community and youtube we got the highest youtube count we ever got with a mac power users episode thanks everybody for being so kind to in the forums and in the comments and it's a real pleasure to be here and excited to now nerd out where now we can start nerding out about stuff yeah yeah now we know we know about steven now we can get nerdy with steven and uh but you're right um the something you're gonna learn steven is the mac power users audience is the greatest audience in all of podcast-a-thon uh they're smart and they're friendly and they're for and they're willing to give us all a chance to try stuff out so i have no surprise that everybody has been so warm and accepting you And I've got a bunch of emails from people saying, hey, Sparks, good job on getting Stephen Robles on the show. You chose wisely. And I just wanted to tell you that. So lots of nice feedback. Well, thank you very much. Super fun. All right. This week, we want to talk about menu bars. This kind of grew out of one of our warm-up calls and recordings we did at some point when you and I were kind of going through the process of getting to know each other. I shared my screen. And at that point, I'm going to, like, excuse myself here. I have to, I have to, I'm going to lead the excuse here. I had been in the process of working with a bartender and I was trying to figure out what I was going to do for menu bar management. But at that point, basically I had menu bar items across my entire top of my pro display and, and Steven saw my screen. He's like, what is going on in your menu bar? And as we spoke last week, pro display XDR is a big screen. And so I said, I saw multiple calendar menu bar items. I said, David, what's happening here? Yeah, I had two of them up at that time. I had them all stretched across. And the way he said it, it was, I don't know, I think it was a little bit of outrage and a little bit like laughter. And I'm like, okay, this is a show. We're going to talk about our menu bars. Because we haven't done our Mac Power Users for years. And mine has changed a lot. Never even seen yours, Steven. So it's time, gang, to strap in and talk about menu bars. before we get started though in the more power users segment we're going to be talking about a little experiment i'm doing during the show last week steven talked about his clicky keyboard and i talked about how i can never seem to get them to work so i decided this week to really throw my weight into an experiment to make a clicky keyboard work so i i 3d printed something i changed a bunch of macros we're going to get into that deep in the the after show today more power users. So for you subscribers, stick around. We've got a lot to talk about, but let's start Steven with the menu bar. Let's do it. I'm excited to show them off. Uh, I'm going to be sharing my screen and then there'll be chapter I'll work throughout as well, but can I show your current menu bar status? The extended version? Yeah. The extended version is still pretty long. This is, this is Lord of the Rings extended version for David and the chapter I'll work. It will be pretty much unseeable because it will be so, you know, menu bars by nature are extremely long and thin. Yeah. There's a lot of icons there. And so that's David's full menu bar, the smaller menu bar, which we're going to get to the apps that we use for that. I tested four, just so you know, David, you sent me on a complete spiral this past week trying different apps. Excellent. Excellent. I like that. I'll talk a lot about those. And this is mine. This is my current one. This is expanded because now I do use an app to kind of expand and collapse. So we'll get into all of that. But yeah, David, David wins on the amount of menu bar items. I love that my shortened version might be longer than your expanded version. A hundred percent. Yes. A hundred percent. It wins in all ways. Yeah. I am a, I'm a menu bar guy. I don't know what to say. In fact, let's start there. What is our menu bar philosophy? Yeah. So I've always been a minimalist in many areas and the menu bar has been one of them. If I don't use something regularly, I don't keep it in the menu bar. I don't want to see it. If I'm not clicking it, I don't want it there. And there are some apps that I might use periodically, the Elgato app. I have a couple Elgato Keylight Airs, and there's a menu bar app that allows you to control it. I'll use that once a year. and, but I'll quit it and I'll get it out of the menu bar. If I ever restart my Mac and it just shows up automatically. So I try to be very minimalist, very choosy, even in this past week, as I've been testing apps that you have listed, I've installed, tried it and uninstalled and removed the whole cycle just in the last week. So I try to be very minimal. How about you? Yeah. I, I am not so minimal. I'll tell you there, there's definitely menu bar bloat for me because I'm always installing new apps and they're always putting stuff up there. Like when you had first looked at mine, you saw two calendars. That's because I've been running BusyCal for their linear calendar view. And I just hadn't bothered to go in and turn off their menu bar. It's on by default. And that's always a thing. But I also do like and aggressively use it throughout the day. And I'd like to consider myself a keyboard guy. But when I think about my menu bar, I actually use the mouse a lot going up to that menu bar during time. When I'm in production on something, like when I make a field guide or a video that's going to be public, it's very minimal. I don't want things up there. In fact, there's a whole thing. I run a script I wrote that changes the clock because the native clock on the menu bar shows the minutes and the little blinking secondhand. I think I can turn the blinking off. It doesn't bother me. But when I record videos, I don't want it up there because I may record a three-minute video, but I may spend an hour and a half recording it because recording is hard. And I don't want you to see the clock switch, so I switch it to analog. And it used to be able to just turn the clock off, but with one of the updates in the last few years, you can't. The clock is just permanently there. So I have a little script I run that switches it. So the menu bar not only changes in size, it transforms when I'm in production. But when I'm working, I figure, heck, I'm not going to use that space up there. I might as well have this stuff there. And that's a funny, just as a different approach being on YouTube and posting so much publicly there. I like having the time there because if someone does notice a 40 minute gap, they'll ask why and that will drive engagement. And really interesting, you know, just people asking questions. And so also sometimes just people are curious, you know, when did he record this? you know i do some timely type videos like i talked about i was 26.4 yesterday and so if people want to see that i recorded it monday at 3 p.m i'm like yeah let's have it up there yeah that makes sense uh but it is for the stuff i do it's just takes it's a it's a process let's just say and sometimes you hit a roadblock and like suddenly you watch the if you notice the clock it jumps like 45 minutes between one second and the next and it's like oh i hate that well it's also maybe we talk about like our philosophy of work though but anything that might distract you while you're doing that recording like you know if that's distracting you or me like definitely remove it that's i think one of the reasons why i try to keep the menu bar pretty tame yeah but now in mac os 26 a lot of things change depending on what you're doing which we'll get to later yeah and it's like and it's funny for me because the stuff i record for like public youtube or or field guides i always make it very minimal and but when i do stuff for the max market labs i kind of just let rip. And you're right. It always, it does drive questions. I'll, I'll release a video about some app and somebody else say, what's the third icon from the left? You know, they'll write me an email because they just want to know what that is, has nothing to do with the video, but they noticed it and they're curious. Yes. So I'm not as minimal as you are when it comes to menu bars. Um, the, um, but you know, um, what about the idea of minimalism versus information? Like you can get data out of your menu bar in addition to working with apps. And there's several that I use that stay in the menu bar, like Fantastical, where I use it exclusively pretty much in the menu bar. I don't think I ever open the full app. And so, but Fantastical is nice where I don't, I only see the date number. I have it programmed, which you can change this setting, but I have it where it just shows the number date and I click it to see the dropdown. So I like that. But Audio Hijack, which I'm actually not liking right now, not Audio Hijack, but the app that I'm using to shrink my menu bar, I realized has hidden my Audio Hijack audio levels, which I normally have in the menu bar. And that is a piece of information that is critical when I'm recording because I want to make sure it's getting volume from my input. And so while you tell me your approach, I'm going to try and figure out how to get those audio bars back because that's just bothering me. I've just noticed. Yeah, I agree. I like the information element of it. And also I like it as a target. Like there's a couple menu bar apps I'm going to talk about that allow me to do file management to the menu bar. And I find those absolutely essential. Yeah. And I literally just figured out how to put those bars back. So now I'm happy. We can continue now. Okay. That's good. That's good. But I want to talk about Fantastic Alvers again because I love that it gives me my upcoming appointment and how far away it is. And so you hide that. You just show the icon. Well, it helps that I never leave the house. You know what I mean? Yeah, there you go. You can use your Apple Watch. There's a lot of ways to get yourself what's going on. But as I'm sitting here at my Mac, multiple times a day, I will glance up at it because I also do a lot of block scheduling. So I'll be like, okay, I'm going to write the newsletter today at 2 p.m. And then I look up at my menu bar and it says, oh, in a half hour, you're supposed to write the newsletter. Well, finish what you're doing so you get there. That helps me get through the day. And that's something I've always been on the fence about doing the time blocking in the calendar. It's something I don't do. So I only in my Fantastical see actual events. So if I open Fantastical right now in the menu bar, I see MPU. Like that's literally all I have for today. Now I did other things and I've not worked out. Do I want to have an event for like make an Instagram reel? I'm not sure, but that's interesting. yeah see i wouldn't do one for that that detail of a thing but maybe you'll just say you know i'm gonna do a marketing block and they'll make some instagram reels and i'll do the blah blah blah thing and then make that a block but i'm a weirdo with the way i calendar for sure but you get a lot done i mean i see all your emails and they just keep coming so you're making content you make you make a lot of content like it's impressive so yeah well i used to be a lawyer so now i i have an energy level that I have to keep up with. But the, but yeah, so the calendar and the showing that the next event is useful, right? But that's nice. You know, we will have different approaches to it. That's kind of the idea. You asked a question in the outline, how many icons is too many? Steven, how many icons in your menu bar is too many? So on my MacBook air, which is the smaller one, the 13 or 14 inch one, if it hits the notch, It's too much. And I have not used an app for managing the menu bar icons yet on the MacBook Air. So I'm very aggressive at not allowing apps in there. Like Claude and Chachapiti want to put icons in the menu bar. And I don't need that. Like I'm going to open the Claude app or the Chachapiti app if I'm going to do something. So I remove those. On my studio display, it's a very arbitrary feeling. But I'll say it's about one third. Like I don't want my icons hitting 50% over on the menu bar or even 40%. So a third is like the max feeling. Otherwise it just feels crowded to personally. Yeah. But do you have any upper limit, David? I do actually. And on the laptop, we're in agreement. I am personally frustrated with Apple with the way they've managed that notch. Menu bar items can go under the notch without you knowing it. And that is ridiculous. Why didn't somebody at Apple figure out how to just move it to the other side of the notch other than hide it under something that the user can't see? It feels bush-legged to me. And it's been going on for a couple of years. And that's the reason why there's a bunch of apps there that make a second level menu bar. And there's some apps, I don't know if you've used any, but we'll try to actually expand the notch to give it more use, as in like drop zones or information. basically like make it a dynamic island from iphone i don't prefer those have you ever tried any of those no i'm not a fan of that either yeah but because of the situation with the notch i too agree that you should do your best to keep your menu bar on the right side of the notch entirely you can and and for instance fantastical on my laptop does not show the next appointment because there's just not enough room and like you just have to like pare down and so i'm actually pretty conservative on the laptop because I just don't want to go looking for something and not be there because it's under a section of the screen that's not visible to the user. I just can't get over that. Well, and especially when you, you, there's some utilities that you have to interact with it in the menu bar to either quit it or access the settings or it's just not really visible in the dock, especially if they have an option to hide the dock icon, something like Fantastical. And so you might do a command space, start typing an app and click return to open it, but you can't see it because it's hidden under the notch. Especially like, and if you get too close to the notch and you install a new app and you want to try it and you're like, where's the app? And I have, I don't know if you've done this. I found myself going to activity monitor. Did you see, is it even in memory? Oh yeah, it is. It must be under the damn notch. So, so then you have, you know, it's just like, it's nuts. So, so I'm pretty conservative on the laptop. On the, the desktop though, I'm ready to let it rip. I don't want to go so far that I need something that's under a menu item from an app. But the way I look at it, I paid for all these pixels and might as well use them. So I go back and forth on whether I even need like a monitoring app or a management app for them. I could just let them all be up there because then it's one less click for me to get to them. But I go back and forth. And we're going to talk in a minute about my menu bar management app. Because that's a whole thing with menu bars. You got to figure out how you're going to manage them. Yeah. And I'm curious to hear the bartender saga you're going to talk about, because I was tangentially aware of it. But I never got into bartender specifically. But I've now tried Hidden Bar, Barbie, and Buho Bar in the last week. And so I got lots of thoughts there. Yeah, I listed a bunch of them. We got links in the show notes. There's a bunch of these apps. bartender was the first it wasn't the first menu bar management app but it was the first really good one and uh it they they added a bunch of features over time like for screencasting i could have different setups or i could have this is the one that i menu bar i have when i'm recording versus this is the one that i have when i'm just doing work and of course the recording one is much more conservative so that's really cool and they i think they were the first app to make a second row, which addressed the notch problem for a lot of people. And there's so many features. He had the ability to search it. And it was kind of like the go-to app for a long time. And if you're a set app subscriber, you've already got it for free. You can download it. It's really nice. But then it got weird for a minute because they sold the company, but they didn't really talk about it. So it got new ownership. And then they put some monitoring software in it, which was, I think, just for bug reporting. It wasn't anything nefarious. But everybody got their hackles up over that. And everybody kind of just said, well, bartender's no good anymore. I don't think that's true. I think it's a good app still. I really like it. But a lot of people were looking for alternatives. So in that space, a bunch of alternatives popped up. And so my point is, don't be angry at bartender. The companies get sold all the time. The new developer seems like they're actively developing and supporting it. They just put it, I think it's version six came out recently. So if you like Bartender, use Bartender, don't feel bad. But there's other apps out there now too. Yeah. And that's what I've been experimenting with this week. And so are you ready to reveal what you, do you use Bartender now or do you use a different one? No, I I've been on a journey, but one of the big that one of the big ones that is a contender with bartender is ice. Did you play with that one? That's the only one I didn't. Okay. Well, let me talk about that one for a minute. Yeah. So ice is a, a open source. Although I think I paid for it this week. I think I paid like $10 for it. Maybe they've got it on a model now where you can pay for it. But it's very similar to bartender. It, it has a show on hover has hidden apps. It has a second row. It's nice because it's open source. So it's, I think there's a lot more knowledge in the community of what they're doing with the app. People are still feeling stung by that bartender sound where, again, I feel like that was a little over-dramatized. But Ice, if you're looking for an alternative bartender with the bartender-like features, I think Ice is the app you would want to check out. Okay, well, I was tempted by Ice, but I went instead to Hidden Bar first. One, because it's free. Two, because it's actually in the App Store. And as we may talk about, one of the things about menu bar apps is it does require things like special permissions in the privacy and security and the accessibility settings of your Mac. So the fact that it was in the app store, I felt more comfortable, like, let's just try it and see. So being free, letting you try it, it is very simple, but it does exactly what you would hope. It'll hide your menu bar icons, and then it will expand them when you click. And that's pretty much it. You know, you move the icons on either side of the little bar that's in the menu bar, whether you want it hidden or not. And it worked fine. There were some other features in the alternatives that I tried later that I found I actually prefer, but Hidden Bar is a great option. Well, that's where I am currently to share my journey. So I used Bartender. I tried Ice. I'm like, yeah, that's nice, but I really don't need that many features. And I really like the simplicity of Hidden Bar. So it's got a little lesser than symbol. Basically, you click on that and it gives you the expanded version. You can hold down the command key and drag apps freely from left to right across that divide. And that's how you shrink it. So if I want to record, I can just drag a few over and I'm good. It's not quite as easy in terms of daily use as something like Bartender or Ice, but it's really easy in use of just moving things around. You don't have to go into a bunch of settings and play with things. Gotcha. And just the overall simplicity of it really appealed to me, the fact that it's in the app store, and I just decided I was going to stick with hidden bar because I think that's all I need. Like I said, there's a part of me that doesn't want to have any of these on my desktop computer. I want to just go full menu bar all the way out. And that has been my consternation, is I always just wanted the full menu bar always visible, and then I'll be aggressive at taking them out. But I have tried the next two in the last week and actually bought both because I was just like, let me just go all the way here. Sure. Yeah. Welcome to the Mac power users. Thankfully, these aren't too expensive, these apps, and there's no subscriptions, actually, which is nice. But Barbie is also in the App Store. But I should also mention it does require installing a helper application after you download it from the Mac App Store. So I thought this was going to be one of my favorites, just being all app store, but it's not really. It requires a helper app. But it has sections for show always, hidden, and then always hidden. And that's the part that really got me. This is a feature that Hidden Bar didn't have, where you can just put some menu bar items just in the always hidden section. And now you might ask, why don't you just take it out of the menu bar? but like I told earlier, the Elgato apps are something I use once a year. I don't even want to see it when I expand my menu bar, but I do want it just there if I ever need it that once a year. That always hidden section is actually interesting to me and I'm going to continue to try it out. I also like that Barbie and Buho bar, which we'll talk about next. They let you customize the little symbol in the menu bar where the hidden icons are. So hidden bar is like, I think it's a bar or maybe an arrow and Barbie lets it be like three dots. It can be a plus star type icon, which is what I did, which kind of looks like Gemini, but it's fine. Um, and so that's how I kind of like some of those options. It's a $13 lifetime purchase, which is pretty good, you know, 14 bucks and you can own for life. And so I think I've stuck with Barbie after trying the most of them this week, but it's a good option. Yeah. And you'll get that feature also with a bartender and ice where you can change the little icon to expand it. Okay. And then the last one I tried was, was Buho bar. This one was interesting. It's $16, a little more expensive for three Macs or $8 one-time purchase for one Mac. so a little bit of difference like licensing there it has a lot of the same features as barbie you can do the floating menu bar extended or just keep it in the menu bar when you expand the apps you can uh you know customize it how you want with a little symbol on what to expand this one it's not in the app store you have to download it directly from them and i just i don't know why i really don't have it it's one of those intangible i just wasn't crazy about it and it didn't feel it felt a little heavy-handed even though it was basically just hiding my menu bar it felt like a heavy app for lack of a better word maybe mac power use maybe that's understandable in this community it is absolutely okay good yeah and uh they do have another app called uh buho launch so if you like the old launchpad they actually have an app for that and so you know that went away in mac os 26 but if you want launchpad back there buho launchpad And it's an option if you like launching your apps that way. But I decided against it and I'm going to stick with Barbie for now. Oh, good. Well, I mean, the reason I think hidden bar appeals to me is that it's light. And I think for, you know, menu bar management, I don't want anything too heavy. I've been using a heavy app for years and I found that a light app works better. So I think less setting sometimes it helps me because when there's so many preferences, I feel like I have to look at every single one to make sure it's exactly how I want. And so sometimes something like hidden bar where it's more minimal, it's just easier to get in and get started. Now, Stephen, you do run an external monitor. I believe it's just like marrying your cameras, right? You don't have an actual second screen, correct? So I have my Mac Studio connected to an input on my ATEM Mini Pro and it is extending it. So it's not a mirror, but I never look at it unless I'm doing like a live stream and I'm trying to do something. Well, that's a menu bar question if you're running an external monitor. It's like, what do you do versus the primary versus secondary display? It doesn't matter. I never look at the menu bar over there. Yeah, exactly. I think that's true for everybody. The other one we talked about the notch which we got to get fixed Hopefully Apple takes care of that one of these days Um what about when you are like recording versus writing versus browsing Like me do you do you change it for for screencast? I guess you just leave it going, right? I just leave it going and I just, yeah, I record it as it is. A lot of times if I'm talking about Mac apps or doing a Mac tutorial, I'll be going up to the menu bar maybe to change something. If I'm talking about control center or a macOS 26 feature. So I want it to just look like normal, you know, how I normally have it. And I just record it as is. Now, I think we really can't do an episode of Menu Bars without talking about macmenubar.com. If you're not familiar with it, it's a great little like curation website where they've just got, I don't know what, 1,300 now Menu Bar apps listed there. I know because I looked at every single one. You did? I literally, I literally, well, maybe not every single one, but I literally went through. So they have these collections like productivity apps and launcher apps. And I went through many of those categories, which is how I discovered some of the apps that now live in my menu bar that I didn't have before, but great resource. Love it. Like if, if you want to look at all the different time zone menu bar apps, you go there, you click a button. I think you pretty much got them all. I don't know who's behind the site, but it's worked to keep this maintained and a good job. Yeah, it's a fun resource. I will say there are some not here. You know, some of the newer ones, my specific screen recording app, which we'll talk about in a little bit, CleanShot. Oh, no, they do have that. 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Let's start getting into our menu bar apps. Your list is much more extensive than mine. I'm going to start with the granddaddy iStat menus. I think there's two schools of thought on this. You either want all that junk in your menu bar or you don't. And you want it. Yeah. So iStat menus is an app, if you're not familiar with it, that gives you all the details on your Mac. You know, what's going, what's working, how it's running. It's a great thing. If suddenly your fans are spinning and you're not sure why, it allows you to get like a temperature reading off your graphics card. It does all that stuff. I have been a fan of it since it was before it was a menu bar. It used to be a widget. You know, in the old days, you scroll to the left and there was a whole widget screen on your Mac. They turned it into a menu bar. I have been paying for this ever since they did it. However, the way I use it is the minimal mode. They have a thing where it's just a single icon in your menu bar, and then you click that and it drops down and gives you all the details. And I keep that on my generally, my hidden piece of the bar. I don't keep it. I just find that occasionally things are acting walkie on my Mac and getting that data often gives me an answer pretty quickly. So I like having it in my menu bar. okay i've never i know about i said from all the podcasts i listen to and it seems like so many people use it i don't use it mainly because my mac studio i never hear a fan and yeah it doesn't really slow that's true that's true occasionally i do on my m2 but the uh but uh it's it's a great feature to just give you all that detail i mean it's also good for managing your storage and just anything that you can measure on your mac it can measure for you i got one for storage coming up too. But I'm curious this next one, because I feel like you have four different apps for recording your screen. Yeah, I have a lot right now. And that just depends on what I'm doing. I'm a fan of Loom, which is a paid service where you can just record your screen and talk a video into it. And I get a lot of email and sometimes people write me about something that's kind of serious or something that requires a little more explanation. And I find it easier to just shoot a screencast and send it back to them than to try and explain it in words. Also, I have two people I work with. JF does my edits and Jim does my copy edits. And a lot of times I want to show them a new procedure or some way to work with WordPress or whatever. And I will just record a video using Loom and walk them through it. And the advantage of Loom is it immediately uploads the video to the server. It gets you a link so they can click the link. They can save the link So Jim comes back to this and does it in three months. I forget how did he want that done? He can just watch the video again. And it's very good for communications with team members and extended explanations. It hooks up to my camera. It does a bunch of stuff that my usual screencasting gear does not do. When I make a proper screencast, it's a big deal. It goes through multiple editing apps and everything has to be set up just right. Loom is like quick and dirty. Get me a video. And I signed up for it on Alark about two, three years ago. And I have resubscribed every year because I just keep finding uses for it. Sean Blanc gets the note here. He's the one who told me about it. And I absolutely love this app. I think they just rebranded. And I haven't even got my arms around who owns it now or whatever. But it still works great. It goes up in your menu bar. And it is under my hidden section. But I do go to it every few days. The sharing thing, if you share a lot of screen recordings, I immediately understand the attraction because it's its own service as well. Whereas a lot of times if I want to send a screen recording, I use one of my apps that I've been using for a long time, which is CleanShotX. But then I have to do something with it. You know, I have to put it on Dropbox and then share the link there. So I totally get Loom for that. Most of my screen recordings, thankfully, are like I'm doing it for a video. And so I don't think about sharing it immediately. But yeah, if you want to share those kind of quick tutorial stuff, Loom is definitely the way to go. Yeah. And if you wanted to save money on Loom, the CleanShotX has their own service as well. Like you could do it through CleanShotX and then you could host that link as well or put it on your own server. There's a lot of ways you'd get around it, but Loom just makes it so simple. And I know that link is good. And it also does a summary using AI, of course. but just for the people I'm working with, it makes everything easier. But you've, you've mentioned clean shot X. Tell me about that one. So I've used clean shot X for the last three or four years as I've been recording YouTube videos, it has been so solid, you know, and that's one of the big things is it has to be solid. I never have to think about, is this screen recording actually working? Is it actually doing its thing? which if you ever use QuickTime for screen recordings, you know that especially if you do long screen recordings, it can be a little flaky. Even on my M4 Max Studio, QuickTime screen recording might not be great. So CleanShot X, it's a one-time purchase if you're just doing what I'm doing, like screen recording to edit in a video later. Like David said, it does have a cloud option if you want to pay a subscription and then share those recordings quickly, like Loom. But CleanShot X is, it's lightweight. It lives in my menu bar. I can do a quick screen recording, choose the mic input. It also lets you overlay your video. So I'll have my video in like a little circle on top of the Mac, you know, actual screen. So this way it's an engaging screen recording. And it will do things like highlight your clicks. So when I click my mouse, a little like green bubble appears. And if I do a keyboard shortcut, it will actually show the keys on screen. and CleanShotX is doing all of that. Now there's another tool, which I learned from your list called Screen Studio, which is even more advanced, but I kind of spun out on that. So we'll get to that in a second. But CleanShotX is just super solid, great for this kind of tutorial style stuff. I also use it for, during an Apple event, I'll usually have the keynote, if I'm not there in person, the keynote running in like YouTube or something. And I'll screenshot the video player because one of the things during an Apple event that I do is share images of the event on threads or whatever. And so I'll capture a portion of the screen with clean shot as a still image. And then I have a keyboard shortcut in clean shot X that allows me to capture the same area. So I can be doing other things, taking notes, posting. And then when I see out of the corner of my eye, the bento box at the end of the iPhone 17 announcement, I'll do the keyboard shortcut, capture that same area. It's perfectly framed so you don't get anything extra. I had that image and then I will share that on social media. So CleanShotX has been just great for all of that. And I like it. You can even, one feature too is if you do tutorials like for Logic or there's actually audio from your Mac that you're trying to include in the screen recording, CleanShotX can do that. So it can record your mic input or whatever audio input, and it can record your Mac's audio from an application like Final Cut or Logic. So you have both your voice in the mic and whatever app you're playing during the tutorial. So I love CleanShotX. They've never sponsored anything I've ever done, but they're just, they're great. Yeah. I have fallen into the CleanShotX bucket as well. I, for the years, I would refuse to. When it first started, I was like, oh, CleanShotX, I'm like, I don't need that. I'm so good at the native ones. I knew all the features. I knew all the tricks. I'm like, what could it do that this doesn't do? And I think Mike Hurley told me, no, you got to just do it. So I tried it. And like a week later, I like native what? You know, I mean, CleanShotX does everything. I love the history. I love the way it has annotation tools. Again, I use that constantly when people email me with a question. I'll take a quick clean shot, draw an arrow on it, drop it in the email, and then off it goes. Just very useful for just about anything you want to do. And that one is also in my menu bar, but it is hidden because I've kind of mastered the keyboard shortcuts on it. Yeah. Can we talk about Screen Studio maybe since it's in the same vein? Yeah, yes. Let's do that. So you hadn't been aware of Screen Studio until this week. I had not. You put your list very early last week after we recorded the last episode. And so I just combed through and I saw Screen Studio. I said, well, I have to try this. And I have many thoughts on it. but tell me what do you use this for? Yeah, it is an app. Really, it's not really a menu bar app. It's my recording tool for recording screencasts. So a lot of the stuff I do, like when you make your YouTube videos, I know a lot of times you just put a camera above and shoot the phone using it. And a lot of stuff I do is more where I directly record the screen, especially on Mac and also to a lesser extent on iPad and iPhone. But I used for years an app called ScreenFlow, which was just a great app, but it felt like they kind of abandoned it. They weren't really updating it, but it was kind of an all-in-one app. It did everything. You recorded, you edited, you could spit out a final YouTube video or production screencast out of it just fine. But I was unhappy with kind of the direction of the application. So I started looking at alternatives and Screen Studio rose to the top for me. It's not as good as ScreenFlow at doing everything, but the recording part is very good at, and it gives you separate access to the various pieces. It's got an auto zoom feature, and that's really nice and smooth. So without little effort, you can make a professional looking screencast. And my workflow now is I use that I go through screen studio, then we take that recording, and then we put it into final cut, or we put in DaVinci resolve, depending on what we're using. And then we work from there. It's actually more work the way I do it now, but the final videos look better. And Screen Studio has become an essential part of my workflow now because of that. So I have many emotions about this app. Okay. Because I was so excited. I evoked emotion. I like that. I was so excited for it because one of the things I do is zoom in and out on my screen recordings in Final Cut because I want to focus on the element that I'm talking about. I use a motion VFX plugin for that. It's the MKBHD pack. And there's a zoom there. And I manually put in all those zooms while I'm editing. And so the promise of Screen Studio was it will do those zooms for you. And that's what it's kind of demonstrating in this on their website, which we'll link in the show notes. It is also extremely powerful because Screen Studio, like you alluded to, is not only recording your screen, but it's actually recording your mouse cursor separately and recording your video input separately. So once you finish your recording, you can go into the Screen Studio app, which is basically an entire video editor in itself, and actually adjust the mask and size of your video input, your camera. You can change how the cursor appears because it recorded your cursor movement, So we can overlay whatever it wants. And you can then basically go through this editing process for that whole screen recording. All of that sounds amazing. And in practice, it works really well. It's a little aggressive on some of the zooms. And that is what I ran into. I recorded an entire video with it. It was super solid. I recorded everything fine. I was able to customize my video and mask it into a circle, which is great. But the zooms, I didn't even adjust anything in the screen editor, the screen studio editor. I just exported it. I said, let me just see what it gives me all by itself. And I learned that my habit when I'm doing a screen recording is I will click on something and then I'll talk about it for a second while I'm assuming the video will be focused on it. And with screen studio, when you click on something, it zooms in automatically. and then after a few seconds, it zooms back out unless you click on something else. And I realized in my process, all the automatic zooms are too fast because it would click on the menu bar or it would click on a shortcut and then it would zoom back out where I'm actually talking about what I want to be zoomed in. Now, in the Screen Studio Editor, you can increase the length of those zooms and actually make it how you want so it stays focused on a specific thing. But what I then had to do was okay, the zooms were too fast. Let me just do it manually. I had to go back into Screen Studio, turn off all the zooms, and then export it again. And that process is lengthy. And that was another thing where with CleanShotX, because it's all baked in, your video overlaid on the screen recording and the mouse, it's not having to put together the cursor, your video, and the screen. CleanShotX is just one-time deal. It's all baked in. So it's ready to import as a file as soon as you're done recording. Whereas Screen Studio, the export process took about 20 minutes on my M4 Max Mac Studio on about an hour long screen recording. And so those things, I'm not sure if it's worth the time trade off, especially if I can't get the auto zoom to stick longer. And I looked through all the settings. And if there was just a setting where it could say, stay zoomed in for 10 seconds after I click, that might change the entire game for me, but it doesn't have that ability just yet. And so I'm not sure if I'm going to stick with it. It's aggressively updated. And the big secret I'll tell you is that when I do stuff that goes to my editor, he has asked that I right click on the first auto zoom. If you right click on it and say, remove all auto zooms. When I send it to him, it has none of those zooms in it. And he does that in DaVinci Resolve. So that's the way he solves it. But the actual capture process is super reliable, which I have not got with a lot of other tools. Like you, I've been bitten by QuickTime where you think you're recording and you do like a 30-minute recording session that probably took you three hours and you realize that it didn't record properly. Screen Studio never does that. It always gives me a reliable one. Sometimes when I do a quick one for the labs, though, and I'm not going to use the editor, I just want to get it out, those auto zooms are great with very little time investment, but you do need to dial them in. Yeah. Anyway, this is a long little diversion, but I actually don't have that in my menu bar. That was the reasons on my list is when I was auditing them for this show, I realized I never clicked that menu bar button, even though I love that app. And there's a bunch of apps that fit in that category for me. Keyboard Maestro, Setup, Text Expander, Alfred, Notion even. I don't, I used to have those in my menu art because they, they populate it. And I realized I can't think of one time I've ever gone up to click that. So I wiped all those out in, in preparation for the show. And just to mention pricing screen studio is $30 a month. If you pay monthly or it is like $120 a yearly, if you pay for the year at a time. And I bought a multi-license cause I got one for the editor too. So I can just give him the screen flow file and he can do whatever he wants with it. There you go. I misspoke, not ScreenFlow, ScreenStudio. See, old habits. All right, a little bit of a side trip there. This episode of Mac Power Users is brought to you by Ecamm. If you're a Mac user who creates video or podcast, and especially if you live stream, you need Ecamm. Ecamm Live is the all-in-one studio built exclusively for Mac. It looks fresh, feels and performs like a native pro app should. I have to tell you, I've used a lot of different tools to live stream from my Mac. 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It's a little menu bar app, but if you drag a file on your desktop, it opens up and it's got a couple features in it. The first is what they call the drop bar. And if you're like on a laptop using full screen a lot, this allows you to put an asset on the drop bar. Let's say you've got a graphic, you want to drop it into a keynote slide. You put it on the drop bar, then you can swipe over to your keynote file and just pull it off the drop bar. It's just sitting there. You just drag it off. It also has the ability, though, to have locked items up there. So I've got, for instance, the Mac Sparky logo, the Mac Power Users logo, the Focus logo. There's a couple things that I'm constantly needing, and I've just locked them into my drop zone so I can always drag them into anything I need. In addition, you've got the ability to create grid items on there where it does specific actions. Like I have a folder I call Action. It's just where I, it's my sort box for my Mac. I don't like to use my desktop for that. So I drag anything onto the action folder and drop zone and it moves it not copies it it moves it to that folder so I can see it later Another good one for me is sometimes I do want to put something on my desktop but I never want to move an original to my desktop because that often leads to you know chaos and mayhem later So I got an action where copies to desktop doesn't move it. So I just drag anything I want onto desktop. And, you know, sometimes you can't see your desktop because you've got a bunch of apps open. So that gets it there easily. There's a bunch of things. I also have one called my burn box or actually it's called burn bag on my item. And it's a, it's a, it's a Dropbox folder that I put things that I'm going to share with somebody, but I've got a hazel roll pointed at it that says in a month, delete that. You know, if it's been there longer than a month, just delete it. So I put it in the burn bag and then it sits there. They get there sharing 30 days later, it's off. So I've got a bunch of little like cool actions I've done with it. Uh, the third thing it does is it has its own built-in actions. Like you can connect it to a YouTube downloader, uh, an URL shortener, just a bunch of little like utility tools. But I, I love this app. I use it all the time. I might, uh, you might've cost me more money here, David, because I've been using a folder on my desktop just called working and i'm typically a nothing on my desktop kind of person but i've just had a lot of random stuff i don't want to store it long term but i want to keep it for a while so i throw it in this folder that's just called working on my desktop uh but now it made me move that folder elsewhere and just use drop zone to quickly copy or move stuff there yeah you will find more uses for it like the little thing where you can have saved logos and just drag them in super useful like if use stuff like in your YouTube videos repeatedly. Now, the companion app for me there is Dev and Think. And Dev and Think is my main storage filing cabinet. And Dev and Think's menu bar icon is great because it allows you to put it specifically somewhere on your Dev and Think. I have different databases for Max Barkey versus personal. And so if I know I'm going to just file it, I just put it in Dev and Think. But there's a trick here. The built-in Dev and Think menu bar is the full word Devon think, which I get the marketing, you know, good on you guys, but I don't like that. And if you go into settings, they've got a setting and say, just use the icon. Okay. Yeah. So you can shrink it down to just a little Devon shell. And, uh, but those two go together for me. I feel like if you're going to do file management there, those are two excellent apps. I have heard the words Devon think just in the ether for the last couple of years. And it, it seems intimidating. I don't know why I've never actually jumped into it, but maybe. Maybe we have to try it. It's a great app, you know, and a lot of listeners are real deep into Dev and Thinks. It gives you a lot of features. I don't want to get into it. Maybe we'll do a show together on that. But one of the things I really love about it is it gives you a reliable link to a file. Like if you want to link to a file in the Finder, that is not trivial, whereas Dev and Thinks just handles it for you. I actually started using another app in your list specifically for that use case, which was Supercharged, but I'll let you get to that. Well, why don't we talk about that right now? All right, perfect. Yeah, Supertory. Yeah, tell me about it. Because I did not know about it. It's from a great developer. I'm not sure how to pronounce his name. So forgive me. But Sandre Soarhouse? Yeah. Is that close? I hope so. I want to get him on Mac Power Users. I've actually reached out to him. He, like everything he makes is awesome. Yes. Yeah, I just don't. I mean, you could go to his website. And I haven't used them all. But if there's something there that looks like it's going to scratch an itch for you, you should go because there's been so many apps where the i'm just going to go to his app page and we'll link this in the show notes but i'm also showing it on youtube i used his ai actions and the shortcut actions app for years and i had no idea it was the same developer and then i keep hearing about random apps and i'll look for it and i'm like oh it's him it's him again yeah exactly And there's like a, he also has an AI powered audio transcription app that works in shortcuts, which is actually better than the built-in transcription. Actually, he builds so much great stuff. It's wild. It's like every time he hits a little problem, he just makes another app, you know, and supercharged to me is the ultimate iteration of this guy because it solves a million little problems. I looked, I've made three different Mac Sparky Labs videos about this app over the years because he keeps adding to it. And like, I don't know if you looked at this, Stephen, but as a shortcuts guy, open up the shortcuts app on your Mac and look for Supercharge. It adds a bunch of really useful actions to shortcuts. Like I didn't even realize that was there. I had a listener tell me about it. But there's just so much going on with this thing. It allows you to do a bunch of system tweaks. Like if you want to use the Windows feature where command C copies, command V paste and moves, you know, it duplicates Windows features. You want, you know, if you hit command W to close window by accident, you can turn that off. You know, there's just a bunch of stuff in here. And it's just a list of little features you can do. to make your Mac run better. And what's wild is, so it can live in the menu bar and you have a bunch of commands there. It also lives in the finder. So when you right click a file, you can get a bunch of additional actions, including get file URL, like you were talking about, if you want like the Mac URL scheme URL to a file. And then like I was just showing a second ago, all the shortcuts actions, like amazingly powerful. And for a lot of his apps, he's just like, pay me whatever you want. He'll have like a suggested price and then you can put whatever, but just pay more. I gave him like 25 bucks for supercharge. I think. Yeah. Excellent application. And, uh, just really happy to see this developer. Yeah. All right. See, what's it, what else is in your menu bar? All right. Well, you had audio hijack in your list. Of course it's on my list. I mean, audio hijack is the way to record audio. I basically just use it in the menu bar because I have all my sessions saved. And then I will go up to the menu bar, click start on a session. And then also in the menu bar, I get the audio levels and I'm off and rolling and then I'll stop it from the menu bar as well. And Audio Hijack also has great shortcuts actions. So I'll program that to my stream deck and I can run the sessions that way as well. I'm sure your audience knows about Audio Hijack, but that's a big one for me. I have lots of shortcuts as we might talk about how you can customize the control center. And we have Fantastical Bitfocus Companion, which we talked about in the pre-show, which is a way to manage my Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro from Stream Deck. And one I actually got from your list, and I'd be curious how you use it as well, but Itsy Home. Itsy Home is a great app. It's in the app store, and you can basically control your smart home from your menu bar. And there's been other apps like this, but I think Itsy Home is really good. And also you can break out your HomeKit secure video cameras from the actual like other controls in the menu bar. So I actually have my smart home controls in one menu bar now, including scenes. And I have my HomeKit secure video cameras as a little camera icon. And I can click that and get a live view of all my HomeKit secure video cameras right in my menu bar, which is awesome. And I love it. So you use home control menu? Yeah, exactly. This app is so useful if you want to put stream deck buttons or automation controls on your lights, because what it does is when you open it up, it gives you a list of all your items, but it also gives you a trigger URL for everything you've got in HomeKit. So whether you want to trigger a scene or a specific light, you've got a URL trigger for it through this app. And so you just leave it running. And then like, if you've got a stream deck button, you want to say turn on the studio lights. You just copy the URL, make it a URL action on your stream deck, you push a button, off you go. You can also combine it with keyboard, maestro, or just anything where you can trigger a URL. And it's very clever for automation. In addition, it gives you a list of everything in your home kit that you can turn off manually with clicks. Yeah. Well, and I'll mention one other one, and then I'm sure we have some combination. I think we both run a lot of similar apps, but I discovered this from the Mac menu website that you, we talked about before, macmenubar.com, but DiskView, DiskView is actually a free utility. It's a free app. You get it in the app store and it's just a little simple menu bar icon that you can quickly see the storage of both your internal SSD or hard drive on your Mac, any external SSDs or hard drives and any network drives. So I installed this, and now I have this in the hidden area of my menu bar, so it's not always visible, but it's just a couple, you know, one click away, basically, and I can see at a glance where the storage is across my network attached storage, my internal drives, and external, and it's pretty great. I mean, it's free, totally free app. So that's basically your version of iStat menus. It just shows disk storage. It's the one data that I really want to know, like, am I hitting the storage limit on any of these things? Exactly. Yeah. Like another thing I get with iStat is traffic. So I know how fast the internet's going, which I also find kind of useful. Now you use Moom and that is another one that I got from your list. How do you use Moom? Moom is my preferred window management tool. There's a million of them out there and everybody's got a different favorite. You can do it with Apple Script. You can do keyboard maestro. You can get one of many applications. But over the years, Moom has just always been the one I prefer. You can set specific grid that you can attach to, but you can also save them with its own set of keyboard shortcuts. It's AppleScript addressable, so I can write a script that says, you know, set up to record Mac power users and put Riverside on the left side and Audio Hijack on the right side, and it'll do all that for you and just run it off a keyboard shortcut so i trigger these things with a keyboard maestro script and off it goes and it just does my bidding i tried to get rid of it this year when apple got better window management tools and ultimately i didn't like it so i am i i wanted i had to go back to moon because just there's just so much you can do with it again i think i bought it in the app store i bought it from them directly from minitrix is another one of those developers almost everything they make is good. And I, uh, I don't know. I think I paid like seven bucks for this thing, like seven or eight years ago. And every time I try to find something better, I don't. Yeah. When you had it in your list, I downloaded it. And at first you think, well, I could just do all this holding the green stoplight on any Mac window. But then I discovered the templates where I can basically, and what I've done already this past week was open up all the windows I use to record Mac power users and set a template and just say, I want all my windows in this shape and this way. And I can, in the menu bar, just click your window template and everything snaps exactly where you want it. And I was like, that feature alone is worth the price of admission. Plus being able to like draw a grid on your desktop and have a window take that exact shape is pretty cool. So I, yeah, I got moving. I'm, I'm using it now. I'm going to tell you something controversial, Steven. Controversial in our world. I want to hear it. i've been using stage manager on my mac now for like two months we might have to cut the show early i don't know if i could talk about that are you still gonna say i mean is that it yeah i use it on the ipad but on the mac david with all the utilities you have what do you need stage manager i've just been playing with it i just want to see if i can make it work you know okay go through these experiments sometimes and uh so so i use moon to reset what left and right are So I can see the little, you know, valley of apps I've got down the left side of my screen. The valley of apps. That needs to be the episode title when we talk about stage manager. Yeah. Cause that's, that'll have to be a whole episode. I've honestly, I was not a stage manager user or believer on iPad since it launched until recently. And I do really like stage manager on iPad and I've honestly not given it a full shot on Mac OS. So listeners in the forums comment on YouTube, if you, if stage manager is good on Mac, please convince me i'll try i could try i'll try to use i'll tell you what i don't hate it i'm not sure that i'll be sticking with it rousing endorsement i in the past i did i tried it in the past in like three hours and i was out but i've got it kind of a setup but you know generally what i do is i use different spaces and i have them dedicated to different work modes and i just swipe through them all day yeah but i've been trying to lurk basically on one screen with this and I don't know that it will last forever, but it's, I'm doing it. But the point is with Moom, you can change settings. Like what is a left screen for you? Does it go all the way to the left? Or maybe it goes a couple inches shy of the left and you can do all that with Moom. Well, I have another question for you. I need to know what you use for a clipboard manager, because you probably have eight apps that do it right now. I do. I have so many apps that can do it. Alfred is the one I use. alfred yeah now do you use that as your spotlight replacement as well yeah exactly i just love alfred i used what was the um it was the old spotlight replacement a quicksilver yeah quicksilver i used quicksilver for a long time like way back when as you did as you did and i had i tried alfred alfred's amazing it's really powerful i'd leaned into spotlight when spotlight started getting good yeah and i've been doing that and now spotlight even has clipboard manager but it's not great yeah and it's also not great for a lot of the other even like trying to pull up an app like if i've wanted to launch the app store even this past week i'll do command space type app and it'll bring up my apple immersive video app first instead of the app store even though i've opened the app store for many times but anyway before we move on from clipboard managers I still use, I don't know if it's defunct, but I've been using PasteBot for years. It's made by TapBots, wonderful developers who make Ivory, who used to be TweetBot. And it hasn't been updated in the last year, but I also don't need anything to be updated because it's perfect for how I use it. It just lives in the menu bar, and I'm still using it. Yeah. Are you a Raycast guy? Do you go down that? I downloaded Raycast and I tried it because I had lots of you viewers who wanted me to try it. But one, it feels like a very big app and I was not ready to invest a week of time in it. If we want to do a whole episode on it, I'll jump back in. It's installed, but I don't know. Do you use Raycast? You know, I run it just to see, but Alfred is the one that works best for me. And they have like a plugin workflow system where there's a lot of things I want to get done that Alfred does really well. I made a whole field guide in Alfred. So I'm definitely an Alfred fan. But I use their clipboard, too. And I've tried a bunch of different ones. I keep talking about Keyboard Maestro today, but they have a good clipboard. One of the things I like about their clipboard is it can paste plain text very easily. But you can do that also with Alfred. I used to use Pastebot way back in the day. It was like the first kind of clipboard manager I discovered. Like, oh, yeah, I need this feature. but i i have i have gone all the way in with alfred for that oh you just have a lot of here on the us david what do you want to do you want to do lightning round i want to yeah let's let's do it let's do it um let's talk about the ai related ones um uh i've got a couple up there again ai ops don't really belong in my menu bar because i don't really use them that way but there's a couple i'm testing that i want to see uh two that are currently in the menu bar are um whisper whisper type, which is a voice to text transcription using AI that that's pretty cool. There's also one called co-typist, which I'm running out of the menu marks. I'm trying to manage it. And I'm not sure if it's out in the public yet. I'll get a link for it. I think he's still got like an open beta on it, but co-type is really interesting. It does predictive typing for you. And we've seen Apple talk about this, like superhuman has this built in where it tries to figure out what you want to say next. Cotypes is made by a trusted Mac developer, the same guy who makes timing for Mac. So the guy knows his way around Mac programming. And it's actually pretty useful. Like when you're typing it, if it predicts the next word, you hit the tab key and you kind of go with it. When you're just filling out, like when I'm answering a quick message or something, it's always pretty close. It's good enough that it's sticking for me, but I like to tune it. Like some apps I don't want it to trigger in. So you can go in the menu bar and kind of adjust it. And as I'm getting it more dialed in, I think eventually I'll take it out of the menu bar. So that's kind of the AI stuff I have up there right now. The rest of it, I don't really keep in the menu bar. Can I ask your methodology, because you use so many of these apps that I assume require permissions for like keyboard access and accessibility. How do you research or what goes into the decision making process of like, okay, I feel good about this app. having access, clicking allow on some of these privacy settings, even if you're not super familiar with it? Like what's your process for that? I I'm very careful. I get sent, um, apps invitations and people always want me, you know, to talk about the stuff on the show. And I get a lot of invites. Uh, I only work with trusted developers when it involves permissions. Like the guy who makes code typists, I trust. He has been a sponsor in the past. I've got to know him. uh it you know i just you know he made timing for years he still does and he's one of these small independent developers trying to make his way and living at doing this and uh i feel like you know he's a guy i can trust but i'll tell you most of the ones that get offered to me i don't even reply to the emails because i just can't deal with it you know and it comes to the whole like there's some developers they send you like okay i'll try your app and then they start nagging well haven't you've written about it well uh then i have to gently tell them because it sucks or you don't want me to yeah you know and um so i'm actually really kind of i have a big filter before i let anybody in in but but cotype is i totally trust and i use and it's kind of a cool feature that adds to your mac but it's in the menu bar now just because i'm still tuning it uh some other stuff i'm doing right now is uh what i would call uh you know backup you know so i have time machine up there. I do like to manage a time machine. I'm always running one, but I also have Backblaze and I want to make sure that's running. And I just check on it once in a while. It's hidden, but it's available to me. Well, I'm glad you have two backup solutions because I do neither of those. You don't? How do you backup your computer? iCloud Drive. Okay. Okay. We're going to do a backup show. I'm going to talk. I'm going to, I'm going to, Stephen, you're, you're becoming a personal project to me. Listen, here's the thing. I, like I've said, I think I said it on the last episode. I put everything in iCloud Drive, except if it's like a screen recording or an audio file that I'm immediately going to use or edit or send to our awesome editor, Jim, to do like this episode. And so those I don't want syncing to iCloud. I literally put everything else there. And so iCloud Drive is my backup. Steven, you have a beautiful family. if something happened at Apple and your iCloud drive got nuked and you lost all of your pictures. Okay. Well, okay. So that's the one area. I do have my iCloud photo library downloaded locally, both on my Mac studio. And I have a backup on my network attached storage. So my photos, I back up that way. Everything else I could burn in a fire. It's fine. I am not satisfied. We're going to talk about this more. Put a, put a pin in that. I'll add it to our Apple note. yeah all right yeah what it was you do you have claude in your menu bar like you have just the cloud app up there no no oh okay it was in the list i had to ask well it's just you know it was stuff that was up there that day i took a screenshot that day but it doesn't it doesn't stay up there um again i just think do i ever use the button like it right so a menu bar either gives you information that you refer to like the weather app i like to see what the weather is so I just look at the menu bar, it's there. Or does it give you access to utility that you need? Like Audio Hijack is a great example for the two of us because we record a lot. So that's kind of the way I look at it. Another one for me is Parcel. I got Parcel up there because I like to track my deliveries. And that's the place I look for them. Does it still work with like FedEx and UPS here in the US? Yeah, they have a new version, Parcel 2. I don't really know what all they did, but it gives me access to everything I need. Because I was using the deliveries app for a long time and stopped because it wouldn't be able to pull UPS and FedEx tracking info anymore. Yeah, I have a UPS. I have somebody in my family ordered friendship bracelet string. Okay. So maybe they're playing another Taylor Swift venture or something. You're not talking about the friend AI pendant, right? Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Okay, well, I'll try it again because I love having a dedicated delivery tracking app. And delivery was supposed to be an Apple wallet, but it doesn't work for me. So parcel has a connection to your, uh, to your Amazon account. If you hook it up and then even auto updates with that, but occasionally that drops, you got to go reauthorize it. Well, you're going to cost me even more money. There you go, buddy. Like I said, welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. 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I use Hazel in the menu bar and I love Hazel for all the things, especially for deleting an app that you installed outside the app store. Hazel cleans up all those files. Sometimes I have Downey in the menu bar to download video content. I have the Stream Deck app, like I said, focus mode indicators, and yeah, I think date and time. And then we're going to talk about our control center and macOS 26 features in the next chapter here. But yeah, any other ones you want to put in the lightning round or questions day one i use i like to drop down and add a day one journal entry sometimes find that really useful in the menu bar drafts as well um i am always looking for ways to add quick text capture drafts could probably come out of my menu bar because i trigger it with keyboard shortcuts primarily but i do have it up there still uh grammarly i've got up there and again that's one I just keep on the hidden list but I use Grammarly so it's it's nice to have it if I need to get access to it going through one one question because you said day one have you did you ever try Apple's journal app yeah and I don't like it all right fair enough I've been using day one for like 14 years so I have so many I have like thousands of entries in it and yeah there's a lot of features missing from the Apple journal entry app Stephen Hackett He had said, if I could make a shortcut that moved his day one entries to the Apple journal app, maybe he would consider moving over, but there's not a way that I've found to do that. So, yeah. And just the whole thing is with day one, it's so easy to like add a photo and auto date the entry to the photo date to have multiple journals. I, I am a big journaling fan. So if you, if you're going to take it serious, just get day one, be done with it. There you go. With the Hazel too. So I use Hazel. I think you use Hazel. How do you decide what Hazel handles file management wise versus one of the other hundred utilities you have over there? Yeah. Well, I play with them all, Stephen. Right, right. That's why people come here. They want to hear what's good. But do you ever went into like issues where you told Hazel to do something and another app and now they're like fighting over the file? I'm pretty careful about it. But Hazel does so much cleanup for me. Like a good example is we record these files, these audio files for this podcast, and it's a massive file. We upload a copy to the editor. and then kind of we're done with it. But you never know if something's going to go wrong. So I've got the folder where these raw files are recorded. And I have a Hazel rule that looks at that folder and says, if anything in there is older than six weeks, then just delete it. And that way, I don't like one day discover I've got gigabytes and gigabytes of old recordings that I don't need anymore. It's just always cleaning up after me. It cleans up my burn bag for me. It does different things. like so hazel is always like looking after me where i need it to what i used to do with hazel i don't do anymore is have it file manage where it would go through and say well if this is from the electric company put it in the electric company folder i do all that now in dev and think and dev and think has like an ai hook where it can actually like name the file for me and sort it for me with a with a little bit more intelligence and that's something that i never could quite get hazel to do reliably and devon think does it like automatically now so so there's a line for it for me but in my head i know exactly kind of what the tools are for okay i i use hazel for a couple just simple move files one one day we could talk about my rube goldberg machine of how i download videos and put it on my plex server but hazel is a part of that process it will move files once they get downloaded. And of course the, the multi-user app sweep for when I delete an application outside the Mac app store, it looks across my Mac and hopefully downloads all the files associated. So I love even just for those two things, it's worth it. You and Casey, I am so glad I never caught that disease where I have to collect all the media. I feel like it costs you a lot of time and money. So I don't, I don't, I'll just say briefly here, Plex is basically a personal YouTube server for my kids yeah and so rather than be holding to algorithms yeah that makes sense i let them add whatever videos they want to plex via this rube goldberg machine i actually can't tell you in detail we'll have to cut this out of whatever future episode we do for the video because youtube will take the video down youtube took my video down explaining the process okay they don't want you explaining how to grab video content from their platform i you know it's funny because i i do use youtube to distribute labs videos and i once made a labs video about just that about how to skip the algorithm and it got banned so hard yeah yeah yeah i got an email from them telling me they're going to remove me from the platform if i ever do that again i'm thinking right all the garbage that gets uploaded to youtube and the whole thing is optimized to make sure this video never gets released we maybe this should be a more power users episode so we could talk freely yeah but that yeah that same has happened to me so anyway that's funny so people watching the video of this i won't won't hear any of this okay no they can hear that they can hear everything we've said up to this point but i think as soon as you give people instructions on how to do it youtube is not happy youtube not happy well i they i i got i got severely scolded uh another one that i thought you might like is shortery have you checked that one out i checked out shortery, but I also with Mac OS 26 run so many shortcuts built in, in the menu bar, which we'll talk about in a minute, but, but why do you prefer it over the built-in options? No, I think it's a good tool for people who are not going to build it out. So shortery, it gives you a bunch of commands, switch the appearance, you know, select the application. It just gives you a bunch of easy, quick automations in your menu bar. You could build all this out with shortcuts. And it runs shortcuts automatically. But I don't know, I thought this was kind of a useful app for people who want to skip the work. Yeah, especially for the automations, which is you can't share automations with shortcuts. Like I can make an automation that runs every morning at 7am and then share that automation to someone. The best I can do is build the shortcut, you create the automation and then say run this shortcut. But this has those automation templates kind of built in, which is pretty cool. That's cool. Yeah. And then I think the last one I want to put on the list for today is, is pop clip. I feel like I cannot talk about menu bar apps without talking about pop clip. Have you discovered that one? I've discovered it. I haven't fallen down the hole yet, but what do you use it for now? Pop clip allows you, you know, on the iPhone, iPad, if you select text as a pop-up menu to make it bold or italic or whatever, There's a limited amount of options. This creates that feature on your Mac, but it's way more awesome because there's a bunch of independently developed plugins for it. So if you want to send it as a prop to an AI, if you want to add it as an inbox item to OmniFocus or whatever it is you want to do with it, it'll take it and process it for you. Like the thing I probably use for it the most is title case. When I do blog posts and like put up posts for the videos, I like to put them in title case. And I always get confused. It's like, does the T in the get capitalized or what, you know? And PopClip does it for me. That's pretty cool. Shortcuts also has a title case action. Just throwing that out there. Yeah. I should probably look into that. 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The link is also in the show notes. Our thanks to HTTPBot for their support of this show and all of Relay. All right, so how Mac OS 26 brought a bunch of new customizations that you can do. The control center is now fully customizable. You can, the Today View has been customizable, but of course there's new widgets now that you can put there. how have you organized your control center and today view on your mac yeah i really like this new feature where you can make multiple control centers and i don't think enough people are using it and if you're a mac power users listener you should look into this feature so you can customize control center but you can also make second control center and so i have one that's kind of the traditional control center that has all those controls in it like you you mentioned earlier that you have focus modes on your menu bar. That's just basically by dragging it out of Control Center and putting it on the menu bar. I do the same thing because I like to see my focus mode at all times. But in addition, I built a second one that's all HomeKit-based where I've got a bunch of my HomeKit controls. And so I can turn lights on and do all that cool stuff just right from the menu bar as well. Now, how do you decide what to use the Home Control app versus the built-in Control Center? um the uh the home control app is there is a function of giving me automation triggers you know like i said you get those urls out of it so if i know the keyboard shortcuts to do certain lights but i don't know have them for all of them like like now at this time of year it gets a little dark earlier we haven't the clocks haven't changed yet if my wife's coming home and i notice it's dark outside i have a keyboard shortcut that turns on the porch light and the hallway light for her you know, so I have to get up. I just, you know, it's laziness. So much of automation is laziness. It's smart home. It's a, yeah, it is laziness, but yeah, it's nice. But if I like want to sit here and say, Oh, somebody left the light on upstairs. I can just open the, the control center and turn it off. Yeah. So do you have, how many custom control centers do you have? You have like the main control center and then how many additional? I only have two. I have the main plus a home kit one, but you have an idea for one that now has me curious. So I have my main one, and then I have an entire shortcuts one for all the shortcuts I use every day. And these are not exciting shortcuts, like ones that I talk about a lot on YouTube, but I do a daily show for Primary Tech Daily. And so I have a shortcut here that pulls multiple RSS feeds from different news sources, allows me to pick some articles, formats them into a bare note. So I have a shortcut that does that. I have a shortcut now for Mac Power users. When I, to upload the audio file, I can literally just click the shortcut in the menu bar, choose the file, and it gets uploaded automatically. And that list is getting longer and longer. I have one that formats chapter markers for my YouTube video descriptions because I use an app called creator's best friend in Final Cut. And basically I can set chapter markers in Final Cut. I click this utility. It basically makes all the chapter markers as set as chapters, a little text list, perfect for YouTube. But I like to change format a little bit. So I use that. So anyway, a bunch of shortcuts in my control center. I have a whole one dedicated for that. Yeah, I think I want to play with that. I think I want to set up a shortcut. control center because it's like it all drops down. I don't think a lot of people use that feature, but you can make multiples now. You can make as many as you want. You can have different icons in the menu bar for the different control centers. So I think it's well worth it. And basically any control center control, which in Mac OS 26, and this is true on iOS 26 as well, there's a lot of third-party apps that now support these control center controls. Like the things app has it. The sofa app has them drafts, has it call sheet. And so you can actually put controls for those apps, like search and call seat sheet in your control center, either in your main control center, or you could have a whole control center of third party control actions. So it's really powerful. I recommend. Yeah. Or media controls. Like you could have just a complete media based control center. Right. The sky's the limit with this stuff. and it's you know it's a feature we always wanted and you know once in a while apple just does it they just you know add it on and i'd be super curious to hear how many people make multiple control centers because i think the number is probably pretty low but i i love it it's great and now last question for me in the today view so this is yeah i still think it's kind of weird it's like the notification center slash today view but you can have widgets here you can have an infinite scrolling list of widgets. And I'll tell you real quick, I have the weather, Fantastical, yet another shortcuts widget, and my battery widget so I can see my keyboard and mouse battery. What do you have? Yeah, I don't use that much. I actually, something I do that would probably offend your minimalist aesthetic is I do keep widgets on the screen. I literally saw that when you shared your screen before we recorded. and I made that a whole show topic. Yeah. Maybe we'll get there someday. But like I used to put over there like calendar and just like certain things. But then I found that I kind of prefer just to have it on the screen. You know, I just do one swipe up with the, you know, with the trackpad. And then I can see like with the, you know, I can see the date. I can see the upcoming calendar events. I can see what time sunsets, battery status on my various items, a better version of the weather. Sometimes I don't keep it up because I screencast so much, but I often have the little ones with the location of my wife and my two kids. Not to be creepy, but just to know like, oh, she's on the way home or whatever. I need to turn the lights on for her. So it's just kind of nice to have that little command center. I've always been obsessed with the idea of status boards. And I just, you know, I love it. There used to be an app called Status Board for the Apple TV. years ago made by panic, which they couldn't keep going because none of people were interested in it, but you turned your Apple TV into like a status board. And I would love to have that on my Apple TV and my TV and my studio. I got perfect place for it, but there's never, there's apps saying they're going to do it, but they're never any good. But I do kind of feel like the widgets on the desktop gave me that status board. So I'm a fan. Do you interact with the widgets on the desktop? Like you can actually click them and take out, like if I put a shortcuts widget there, I could actually click it, right? Yeah. So you'll have to see. They're just information for me. Right, just information. Oh, and to the Find My thing, it's actually, you can use a contact widget and actually have up to four people in a long style widget, either in Today View, this is on your iPhone. And if they're in your Find My network, you can actually see their labeled location under the little contact icon. Yeah, I should investigate that because I have separate ones for each person. Right, which is cool. I mean, you can see the little map, which is nice. Yeah. But you can see at a glance. And the last thing I'll say is when it comes to the menu bar, when it comes to adjusting your camera settings and screen recording settings, Apple actually added a bunch of features here in, well, Mac OS, whatever it was before 26 and then 26, I think it was 15 or yeah. Anyway, like the pro the blurring your background, you can actually use a virtual background. Now you can adjust center stage. the issue is those controls only appear when you're using the recording when you're actually have a camera active or a microphone active and now because we're in the middle of recording i can click up there and i get like audio hijack as an option and then i have the web browser and in the web browser i have like portrait studio light edge light which is a new mac os 26 feature these are actually all great features but the discoverability is almost zero because usually especially someone who's maybe not a power user they're never going to know those controls are there and when they actually would be there they've already started recording something and now they're probably not going to pay attention to what's going on in the menu bar and it's difficult can sometimes helping someone else troubleshoot how to turn off center stage you have to be like well make sure your camera's on you have to oh you know open facetime or something and then it'll appear. So I feel like Apple should have some kind of options there to like make those controls more accessible, even if you're not in the middle of recording in the future. They do stand out. Apple puts a colored background on them. So you'll see there's also one for audio recording, but it also can be a source of pain. Like I recently recorded several videos and then sent them to the editor and everything looked like I had a halo around me. And I'm thinking, I spent all this money on these cameras and what the heck's going on? And sure enough, somewhere in that screen setting in the menu bar, it turned on like its own portrait mode. Right. And gave me the kind of the blurry edge around my head. And you got to, you know, if you see, if something looks funny in your camera, it's probably in that same menu bar. And the issue is it's not a universal setting. So you can't like go into system settings and say disable portrait mode for everything. It's actually a per app. So if you record in Chrome for one thing, and then you go over to the Zoom app and do a different thing, portrait mode and center stage may be toggled differently for those two apps. And there's no way to just say like, turn it off everywhere. So that would be a nice Mac OS 27 feature, maybe when that comes. All right, Stephen, it's time to count the bodies. how many apps did you add? I know you tried some that I recommended and deleted a bunch of them. What made the cut at the end of the day? What have you added now to your rotation? So I'm going to be keeping Moom and DiskView, which I got from the website. I started using Notion more in the menu bar. I'm using the Itsy Home, which I don't know if you told me that or if I discovered it, but I'm using that now more often. and screen studio it's it's on the fence i have to decide whether i want to keep it or not i really like the features i just have to figure out how it works into my workflow uh and then you know i bought all the the i bought barbie and i bought uh bohu bar yeah and so yeah you cost me all that buho bar excuse me you bought you cost me probably about 50 bucks probably yeah that's that's a that's good for a host that's about what you spend that's a good investment it's good i mean every episode So we want to come to the audience with some knowledge of these apps. And there's a lot of licenses I bought that, like ICE I paid for, I'm not going to use that. I think this little short menu bar app is probably just fine for me. I'll tell you the one I got from you, because obviously I came to the game with a lot more than you on this one. But I really like this idea of a separate shortcuts control center, and I want to start building that out. So that's on my list. All right. Well, that's fun. I'm glad I could at least influence one thing in that menu bar. Cause it's pretty full. It was pretty full. Yeah, it is. It needs to shorten, but again, I just don't care. They're just a bunch of pixels across the top of the screen. You know, so long as I don't get so far that I can't find what I need, then I got a problem. It's that pro display XDR. That's the thing. You just got too much. It does. It spoils you. But also I, I know what they all are. Like if you look at your menu bar and you see an app and you have no idea what it is, then it probably doesn't belong in. That's when you know you got a problem. That's a problem. What is that? Yeah. But apps do that to you when you install new apps. It's just like notifications on the iPhone. You install new apps and you get all these notifications. You install a new Mac app and suddenly you got new stuff in your menu bar. We got to talk about notifications. That's on our list for one day. Notifications. There should be a special circle in hell for developers that put something in your menu bar, but don't give you a switch to turn it off. That is true. I wasn't sure if I'd be with you when you started that sentence, but yeah, I agree. I agree. I really hate that. I will uninstall a useful app because it puts something in my menu bar, but it doesn't let me turn it off. A hundred percent. I'm with you on that. Yep. We are the Mac power users. You can find us at relay.fm slash MPU. We'd love you to come join membership. We have big plans for membership. And so, so come join, check it out, join the club today and more power users, the ad free extended version of the show. We're going to be talking about this whole thing I'm doing with a keyboard. and I made a keyboard tomb. We're going to talk about that. So that'll be fun. 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