They loved us so much that we had to come back for episode two of Rain Check. I'm Michael Panter. And I'm Amanda Madda. In today's episode, we will be talking all about... Should Prince Harry and Meghan Markle be granted taxpayer-funded royal security if they travel to the UK? Plus, questions about Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie's royal future, and whether they're being frozen out as a result of their father, the former Prince Andrew's, action. We'll also be talking the second royal wedding of Peter Phillips, that's King Charles' nephew and the man who stands 19th in line to the British throne. And we'll have another round of What Year Is It Anyway? The game where one of us has to guess the year based on a set of ridiculously vague royal headlines. For all that and more, stick around for the next half an hour or so. Time to get regal. so right i thought we'll get straight to it we talked about prince harry and megan markle last week and i promise that this isn't the harry and megan podcast so we won't be discussing them every single week yeah let the record show you have brought them up both times so far yeah yeah i uh look guilty as charged um their names do carry weight uh within the royal sphere uh sphere obviously uh and they can't help but drive headlines i'm a headline sort of guy i get I get attracted to shiny things. These headlines, they pop up and I can't help myself. And they find themselves more often than not related to some sort of controversy, if you want to call it that, you know, that's a matter of a debate. But this week's controversy relates to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle reportedly wanting to return to the UK for visits, etc. in the future, but a problem remaining over their security while they're there if they do. So to rewind the tape a little bit, This has circulated in the news before, namely that Harry would like to take his family back to the UK, but that he wants them to have the same level of security as they would have had if they were still working royals. Now, at first glance, I think a lot of people read headlines, myself included, and they think that Harry and Meghan want taxpayer-funded royal security, even though they're not royals. And the knee-jerk reaction is immediately to think, who the hell do they think they are? Of course, they shouldn't be getting security bought and paid for. They're celebrities with lots of money, blah, blah, blah. They should pay for their own security. But dig a little deeper. And it's not that simple at all. And Amanda, when we were putting together this episode, you actually raised some very valid points that I don't think the public en masse are aware of. Because I certainly wasn't. So inform me and everybody else. Sure. Happy to. Well, yeah, it's easy, I think, to hear, like you said. well, who does he think he is? He left the family job. Why does he still think he gets the benefits? But the issue is more complex than that. And it's not just me saying that because I want to defend Meghan and Harry. It's like this system is actually supposed to work in a certain way. And he has been arguing for years that he was treated in a biased manner, essentially, when he has been denied armed security. Now, what does that actually mean? I think that's also important. What he wants for himself and his family when he's in the UK is specifically Metropolitan Police Protection, which is the only way he would have access to armed security. He can pay for his own private security, but they have to be unarmed. They can't carry firearms or anything. And they would not have access to Metropolitan Police intelligence. So he argues that he should have access to this because the threat to him, the amount of people who are still fixated, you know, the police in the UK still have this fixated persons list who have made threats or made comments that are very, very concerning about Harry and his family. So right now, he is entitled to publicly funded security of that nature, you know, the highest level. If he attends events at the monarch's request or in an official capacity because he is still a member of the royal family. So say he attended the coronation of the king, he would have gotten that armed protection there. But in the future, he does plan to go to the UK for quasi-official events. So the Invictus Games, his charity that supports wounded, injured, and former servicemen and women in sporting events, that is coming to Birmingham in the UK in 2027. So they typically will do one year to go kick off events a year ahead, obviously. So that would be this summer, which is why this question has come up again. So for those events, I think he's looking to have that highest level of protection. And there is a security review in the process, which will potentially affect whether he can bring Megan and the children to the UK with him. Right. You're taking it all in. You're absorbing. Yeah, I am. Again, because when I first saw the headlines and then my immediate reaction is, well, come on, you guys have got, you haven't got a shortage of money in the bank. You are celebrities. Therefore, you should pay for your own security. But then, like I said, there is so much more to this, which you rightly laid out when we were doing the sort of planning for this episode. That there is a lot more. It's not as clear cut as, well, look, you don't get the money because you're not a royal. Every time you come here, just stump up the money yourself and your security will be the same as it would have been. Because obviously it's not. I mean, you can, you know, call it that we're maybe cutting hairs here or whatever, that his security, for example, wouldn't be armed. Yes, yeah. It's not a question. Which is a big thing, right? Yeah, it's not a question of he doesn't want to pay for it. I think he's actually offered to pay for the level of security he is requesting, but he's being told you're not eligible for that highest tier. And that decision comes from Ravec, which is the Royal and VIP Executive Committee, which Harry still is. He's a royal and a VIP, you know, even though he doesn't represent the family. they would evaluate his security risk based on his visibility and his public profile. And so just the fact alone that he was born a royal, even though he's not, quote unquote, working for the institution, is kind of where he thinks he should get this higher security risk evaluation. And so my thoughts on this whole thing go in sort of two different directions, because if I'm completely honest, I buy what you're saying and I do get that. on the one hand they're obvious targets for people who are obsessed with the royals stalkers other people other i don't want to call them crazies but just people who are out there who could could not mean them well put it that way and are more inclined to to sort of look up where they're staying and try and cause trouble basically um so wanting to have the absolute best security possible is not unreasonable at all right there's that i don't i don't think that at the same time I wonder how much difference there is between now, between Harry and Meghan and another huge megastar who comes to the UK. And they're obviously not going to be eligible for that level of security. And what I mean is if it's another superstar celebrity, I don't know, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, blah, blah, blah. They have to make do with not having armed personnel following them everywhere they go. That's one side of it that I thought about. Um, now when he, if he's traveling, wanting to travel with the children, I also, again, I understand why you would want the absolute best security possible if Archie and Lilibet, that's, uh, Harry and Megan's, uh, two children. Um, if they're going with them, um, then that, again, I, I understand absolutely why you want the best of the best security there. Um, it's just, I can also see why people would push back a little bit. And another point that I was thought about and it made me really sort of interested to explore a little bit more was King Charles's stance as both a father and grandfather to the children, again, if they were to travel with. I don't know how much executive control he has, right? But surely, surely he himself would want the peace of mind that paying for security would bring. And I know that there was, what was the phrase that was used? It would be constitutionally inappropriate. Constitutionally inappropriate. Yeah, constitutionally inappropriate. If he was to basically, if he was to get involved and try and force the issue and say, well, I know it's not meant to happen like this, but he's my son, give him it. But he's, you know, at least so far, it doesn't look like he's going to do that. So that was for me as a father would be sort of, wow, he's really sticking to his guns in what sort of protocol. And you do you know King Charles is in a sticky situation here I will give him that The parallel is sometimes drawn between Harry and Andrew who you know has lost his royal titles no longer represents the family He does still have a security detail I don know if it met police or not but it a security detail notably that Charles funds from his private money, like his private finances. So you have on one hand, the king still funding security on some level for his brother, who is basically out of public life and now putting his foot down with his son and his family. So it is, that's, I do not envy whoever is behind the scenes trying to iron that situation out. But I mean, I understand too why the king would want to be able to say, look, I'm not part of this decision-making process. The Ravec committee though is, it consists of a wide range of stakeholders, including, you know, Harry gets some say, he gets to present, I guess, evidence on why his security risk should be at the level he thinks it should be. But there are also officials from the Home Office, the Cabinet, Metropolitan Police, and private secretaries from the royal household. So you do just sort of have to wonder, okay, well, it's not the king saying what should or shouldn't happen or assessing this security threat, but people who work for him. Yeah. It gets a little hairy. So again, I do not envy whoever's supposed to be making that decision but the optics of it aren't great you know of for charles as a father no no like i say they're really driving home that point like when you when you put it like that and you say there are a lot of people they're working for directly for king charles uh who potentially have a say in the matter uh you know as a father do not just sort of behind the scenes like come on like if you're gonna use the royal perks is now not the time yeah and there might not be that many royal perks in terms of throwing your weight around and getting things your own weight left compared to you know in centuries past uh this feels like a like one of those occasions where okay my son my estranged son wants to come back he wants to bring my grandchildren who by all accounts Charles hasn't seen very much of because they've been well because they've been raised in in the states uh is this not the time to sort of like okay well just give what he wants because again it's not nothing bad it's not like people the the people of britain are going to lose money i mean technically yeah sure taxpayers money but i mean they're not it's not the price of milk is going to increase because charles and uh because harry and megan uh have have the best security money can buy in there you know i don't think it really it makes too much of a difference uh but it potentially could make a difference were anything god forbid uh to happen or any incident was that were to play out and then it's like okay if something like that did happen if something happened would is Charles Charles going to be able to would be able to forgive himself if uh you know well you know their their security weren't armed because they weren't allowed to have armed security sure that's it feels like uh I don't know I'm not sure if I'd uh I'd be I think I'd if if I was in Charles's shoes uh I think it's better for everyone that I'm not but if I was uh I think that's something I'd be thinking about is you know uh okay could I could I sway this in a way that gives me more peace of mind? Yeah, it's one of those situations where there's a lot of variables. Hindsight would be 20-20, as with so many things, especially in the world. Look at how, you know, after Diana's death played out so publicly, we made all these sweeping changes, or we said we were going to, to the press and paparazzi and, you know. So I'm not, you know, I don't want to take it to that extreme, but I think good points there. Yeah. Yeah. And that segment maybe was bordering on getting heavy. The next segment should alleviate all of that weight. It is time for What Year Is It Anyway? Still a working title, so don't shoot me. One of these weeks, I'm going to pull a really catchy, flashy title out the bag. But for the time being, it is What Year Is It Anyway? And it's Amanda's turn this week to put me on the rack. Yes. So just to recap how this works, I have a series of royal headlines for Michael to guess what year they are from. So we'll get five in total. The first will be pretty difficult, maybe not as cruel as yours last week, but so it's vague. And if you guess the year on that first headline, you get five points as we go through with your one guess and you decide when to use it, you know, you'll get points based on what headline we are on. So are you ready? I think so. Let me just preface this by saying I have already admitted that I'm going to really struggle here, even if they're easy, which I know they're not going to be. So with that information in mind, shoot, hit me. Yes. Just to remind listeners, I have currently one point, so you could pull ahead for the season. All right. Headline number one. Etiquette advice abounds amid Queen's visit. And this is from May of the year we're in. Of the chosen year, May. Etiquette advice abounds amid Queen's visit. So this is not going to surprise you today. I have absolutely no idea. Good. You might as well have just read a headline in Japanese or Russian. I have no idea. Let's just go straight to four. I'm not even going to try and blag like I'm considering something. Fantastic. Okay, number two. Prince Charles to, quote, support the Queen at Commonwealth Conference. Prince Charles to support the Queen at Commonwealth Conference. So if Prince Charles is there to support, I'd like to think it's sort of more recent than super long time ago. Okay, I've settled on like a 10-year span. Okay, that's a start. Yeah, whether or not I sway from that would depend massively on how difficult this next clue is. But okay, at least I've got a 10-year span. Okay, so this is the one where I'm like, okay, he could get this, but it depends on a couple of pieces of knowledge already being in your brain. Number three, Kate gets in shape for record-breaking Dragon Boat Race. Okay, so I'll be honest and say it can't be in the 10-year span I was thinking of before. Oh, no. So I'm going to have to push that back a little bit or closer to where we are now. So this was from July. Kate gets in shape for record-breaking dragon boat race okay July what year was yeah I thought I tried good try good try um uh the dragon boat race oh it feels like I should have heard a dragon boat race why it feels like if I'd seen that it would have you would have put that in your head yeah yeah yeah a lot and a dragon how often do you see a dragon boat race no never um okay all I'm afraid we're going to have to go down to two. Okay. So your fourth headline. Diana Concert lineup spans the generations. This was from The Guardian in April of this year. Diana Concert lineup spans the generations. And that makes me think, Diana Concert, is that going to be like a 10-year or a 20-year anniversary of her death? Could be 15. Could be five. It could be 15. It could be 25. I've, but, so, okay, I'm thinking two years. You could throw a Hail Mary here and get two points, pull ahead. I could, but I could just as easily, you know, say the completely wrong year and then you go into next week with it. Oh, it is only a one-point lead. Do I want to, do I want to, oh, God. No, you know what, you know what, I'm going to, because I've got two, so if you give me the last clue, it should help me to settle on one of those two. And then I'll go with that. So hit me with the last clue, Amanda. All right. I'll pray. I'm actually not as confident that you will get this now that I've listened to your reasoning. All right, your last clue. Okay. The Queen and Prince Philip mark diamond wedding anniversary. And so this one is... So their anniversary... This one I know I should get, yeah. It's November 19th. What year did they get married? What are the years of the different levels of commemorations? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of different facets here, different things to consider, different factors. And also, when did Prince Philip die? Oh, no. He died? No, no, I know he did. Okay, I'm, God, I was about to say a certain year and then I realized something else massive happened in that year. so royal wise so i don't think it's that year okay i'm gonna go 2008 you're so close 2007 no 2007 no because they were married in 1957 their diamond anniversary is 60 years so that would have been 2007 you were so close yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't know why uh so i think i had 2008 when you talked about Kate originally, I was thinking like, okay, I think that's before she became Queen. I don't know what, and then I was like, so it must be like late 2000s. And then when you said about the Diana thing I was like okay maybe it you know just like a decade after that And then 2008 So To go through some of the clues etiquette advice abounds amid Queen visit This is actually where I settled on using 2007 because that was the last visit of a British monarch to the US which was announced this week The king will be coming in April. So this was when Queen Elizabeth II was received by President George W. Bush and she visited Jamestown, America's first permanent English settlement. then prince charles to support the queen at commonwealth conference that was the first time he accompanied the queen to the commonwealth heads of government meeting so this was like his first step forward preparing to be king then yes kate getting in shape for record-breaking dragon boat race i'm gonna say if you were one of the girls you might have gotten it there because 2007 is the year that william and kate famously broke up for a few months and then she has her hot girl summer as we would now say she joins an all-women's racing team yes and then yes the diana concert lineup was for the 10th anniversary of her death it was at wembley stadium on july 1st hosting rod stewart lily allen sir elton john uh artists chosen to honor her taste and those of her sons yeah i don't so i don't know why my brain chose to completely ignore or abandon the the the diana a 10 year anniversary line because I know Diana that I know I would have probably said 2007 if I would have been a hundred and I just weren't like when when we when you read the last clue I was so fixated on the the Philip and Queen thing and I don't know why I said 2008 I can't you were so close my brain works when it's under pressure yeah okay good to know good to know all right okay yeah exactly now you know how to it's also it was a crazy year because there's a lot going on that sort of mixes different eras. So for that reason, it was difficult. Well, look, well done you. You go into week three with still a one point lead. And yeah, I'll get them next time, as we like to say. All right, moving on, I have brought a segment today as well. And it's something I've been very intrigued with this spring. That is Beatrice and Eugenie, The former York princesses, I guess the York title is dead in the water now as Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, their father, has lost his titles and honors, of course, in connection to potential financial misdeeds and connections to Jeffrey Epstein. But for some reason, the headlines this spring have shifted off of him, even though he was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office, onto his daughters who do not represent the royal family in a full-time capacity. They have their own jobs, their own families. But there's a lot of speculation on whether we will see them at future royal events, whether members of the royal family will even want to associate with them going forward. There's renewed scrutiny on their finances, business dealings, even their marriages. And it's just kind of a mess. There's not been any real suggestion of Beatrice and Eugenie committing any misdeeds, any wrongdoings. But it's been reported now this week that they would miss Easter Sunday services. Of course, this is Easter weekend. The royal family typically appears at Windsor for Easter Sunday. we are supposed to see that we're recording before Easter, but we were supposed to see the King and Queen, Prince William and Kate and the kids. We are told that Beatrice and Eugenie will not be attending. And even that we have mixed reasons. Some say it's because Prince William is tightening the circle. This was decided for them. They were told to stay away. In other places, you have reports saying Beatrice and Eugenie just have alternate plans. They have in-laws, they're seeing the other side of the family. And that's sort of the trend. There's a lot of back and forth when it comes to reports about them. So Michael, what do you make of Beatrice and Eugenie's sort of standing in the royal institution at the moment? Right. So so call me a cynic first and foremost, but this they had other plans. Excuse does not wash with me. No, I don't. I don't think that that is the reason. Now, again, I could be wrong and it's impossible to to really get it from just reading the newspapers and the conflicting reports. I don't think we're going to get anything concrete on it either way, or at least not enough to 100% say, okay, they're not being shunned by the family. They are just sort of, you know, living their lives as usual. I don't, like, I mean, obviously, even if the Royal family did have a problem or had come to the decision that the girls wouldn't be around as much, we'd never know that anyway from a PR perspective they would never you know come out and say um oh they're not welcome here I don't to my knowledge they haven't even said that about Prince Andrew uh and you know given everything that's happened with him it would be crazy for them to say that about the girls um that said I think so I think a hell of a lot or this has a hell of a lot sorry to do with perceived guilt by association um now I don't think that people believe Eugenie and Beatrice and Eugenie were directly involved with anything to do with Epstein. As you did mention before, there were other things sort of floating around in the ether to do with them. But for me, the public image of the royal family has traditionally always been super, super important. So even when they were at their most powerful in terms of direct influence, and when they ruled the country, not just nominally, but literally, what people thought of them was important. So given their place in society today, it's critical. Like it's even more important that, so scandals aren't just damaging now, they're potentially monarchy ending. And in some alternate universe, if Prince William had been friends with Jeffrey Epstein and travelled with him and emailed him, I don't think the discussion about the royal family's future would be the same. I think it would be very different. I mean, I don't think there would be a monarchy moving forward if that had happened. So with that in mind, I think Andrew is a poison chalice now. He's the skunk at the garden party, whatever you want to call it. He's the rotten apple in the bunch. Anyone in their right royal mind doesn't want anything to do with him just now. And I, again, his personal opinion, I think that such is the gravitas of his fall that I think it extends to his daughters as well, or his immediate family as well. I don't think, and it's for no obvious fault of their own, but I think they're going to have a tough time moving forward living in the royal sphere as they have previously. So last week we were talking about people potentially losing their royal titles if the monarchy is slimmed. I think they are ripe for the chopping block if that ever happens. Personally, again, that's just my gut feeling is that their standing has been severely damaged by Andrew's, well, the things that Andrew has done, basically, in a nutshell. Sure. And optics, I mean, optics are everything. You don't survive as a 1,000-year-old institution without learning a few tricks, I think, about PR and, you know, how to preserve your image. So maybe it is just the guilt by association that would be enough to see them cut out from public life. I do find it interesting there have been claims, you know, there was also the idea that they would be banned from attending Royal Ascot this summer. They did not appear at the Cheltenham Racing Festival, which happens in the spring, early spring. But the Ascot claim has now been denied by one of my favorite phrases, sources close to, who say that the sisters have been invited and senior members of the royal family have continued to check in on them. So this push and pull might have as much to do with public response and what the public is feeling. You know, there is a feeling that, you know, the sins of the father should not be passed on to the children. But from the monarchy's perspective, that effort to paint Andrew as just one bad apple among the bunch, like, could be enough to make it so that Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie won't have any official, you know, role in the monarchy going forward. They could still be seen at family events. Remember, we were trying to make Andrew an accepted part of family events as recently as 2022, 2023. So we'll have to check back in at some point. And maybe there will be some concrete reason in the future that they need to be excluded. There has been reporting that Prince William wanted Beatrice and Eugenie to subject their own financial dealings to something of an audit. And that apparently went nowhere. It almost seems like we're looking for a reason to cut them out of public life. Yeah, and I think that's going to be very interesting to follow moving forward. This idea that the possibility that if there is a minor slip up or if there is a reason for them to be excluded or shunned then that might be for lack of a better word grabbed with both hands It might not be It might be I might completely be off on this and you know that they welcoming and Prince Andrew done what he done or formerly Prince Andrew has done what he's done and the girls are still, his daughters are still welcome and it might be that that's fine. I personally look in, again, through a more cynical lens at traditionally how the royal family have tried to avoid scandal and tried to sweep things away And I don't think that's going to be the case, but I'd like to be proved wrong. Well, it sounds like you're also looking at this through the lens of the royals have said they want to slim things down. So here's an area. Here's an area we could be trimming. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's in the coming years. I don't think that's something that we can ever forget that all of the decisions made are made with the with the the overall aim of when this thing needs to be smaller than it is now. it needs to be more efficient we can't have 50 princes and princesses we people aren't gonna gonna just blindly accept so okay well there's another 12 princes born here and it's just not really it's not realistic in in terms of where the monarchy's at today so so yeah we'll we'll see moving forward but um but interesting stuff very interesting stuff to see how the whole this is literally like like watching uh watching a soap opera unfold yeah i mean in real in real time and History books all at once. Where can you get history and soap opera at the same time? The British royal family, which is why we are always sucked back in. Yeah, exactly. And that's, I mean, it bodes very well for you and I to be able to speak on every week because it is this never ending source of entertainment and information. But yeah, we'll see. We'll see. But that brings us nicely to our last segment. Before we go, this is where we get to bring any tidbits that we found interesting during the week. It is my turn. I'm talking a lot this week. I'm bringing something that I have found amusing for a couple months now. And it actually relates very nicely to this idea of extended royal relatives. What is part of official business? What is part of family business? Because Peter Phillips, who is the son of Princess Anne. So King's nephew, late Queen Elizabeth II's eldest grandson, 19th in line to the throne. We should also say he's a little farther removed. He has announced the date of his second royal wedding. So this was fun. I've been following his relationship with Harriet Sperling, who is an NHS nurse. They have been dating since last year. Their engagement was announced in August in a Hello Magazine exclusive. That's a nice little royal perk there. And we have now heard that they will be married this summer in a private ceremony in the Cotswolds. So June 6th. Apparently the Cotswolds is becoming a very trendy like playground for the posh. Have you ever been, Michael? Yes, I have. I was actually going to, of all the things I have to add in this segment, top of my list was the Cotswolds is beautiful. It's amazing. If you ever get the chance to go there, go there. It's basically what I would say is when people think of England, And sort of the rolling hills and beautiful little villages and the really, really sort of like, oh, this is too beautiful to be true. That's the Cotswolds. Like it's extreme. I can see why it's becoming ever more popular and why someone with the power and influence and money would want to get married there. Because it really is a great place. Definitely. I'm supposed to be going this fall. So I will be hitting you up for some recommendations at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do so. Yes. So he is getting married in the Cotswolds, specifically at All Saints Church in the village of Kemble, which is apparently pretty close to Princess Anne, his mother's Gatcombe Park estate. So he and Zara Phillips, his sister, sort of grew up in the area. And Peter Phillips' first wedding was held in 2008 in a very grand royal ceremony at St. George's Chapel, Windsor, the same place that Harry and Meghan were married 10 years later. He did separate from his first wife, Autumn, in 2020. They have two daughters, Savannah and Isla. But now we have this private ceremony. I have to wonder, will we see pictures? Will we see the royals attending? You know, the Cotswolds, they're not very busy, but will this bring traffic, both royal and from the public? You know, we know the date, we know the location. Will there be stanchions and crowds? It'll be interesting to see. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, so I would say that there will be some amount of interest just because it is a royal wedding. There are way more royal, I want to say royal enthusiasts, but that's underplaying it. There are people who love the monarchy. There are a lot of people like that in the UK who, you know, he's still 19th in line to the throne, which is a damn sight higher up than most of us. That's true. the UK has a population of somewhere in the region of 53 million people and he's 19th in line to become monarch so I believe that there will be quite a lot of, well there will be a bit of interest I wonder if it will be enough to attract the big guns like I mean if the really King Charles, Camilla, Kate William, if they're going to make the trip to the Cotswolds to see well to see it to attend that'd be interesting yeah exactly to be there we've been told they have received an invite um and like you said he is 19th in line to the throne the king's nephew even though peter phillips does not have a royal title he was actually the first royal grandchild in 500 years to grow up without a royal title and that's because princess anne chose not to give titles to her children she did have the option even though she was a daughter of a queen and the way that the rules were written meant that her kids wouldn't automatically get titles she was offered the chance by queen elizabeth to make her children royal like give them the prince and princess titles and she said no so that they could live a relatively normal life and here we have peter phillips going to have a second wedding and announce it to the world the royals might attend it's just again this weird in between realm not quite normal not quite part of the official royal fold yeah he's he's he works independently he does not receive money from the sovereign grant which funds the royal family's official activities he's the managing director of a boutique sports management company okay so it sounds uh i mean so he's basically as close to being royal as you can get without being royal sure basically yeah apart apart from from andrew who was royal until very recently and now now isn't technically i mean uh kind of it depends on which way you want to look at it but it's it must be a very interesting position to be in to be as i said like your entire family is royal your mother is a famous royal your grandmother was arguably the most famous royal of all and uh you still have to wake up in the morning and go to work yeah yeah yeah you still have to to clock in as to i don't know how much clocking in you do as the managing director if your grandmother was Queen Elizabeth. But yeah, on the face of things anyway, he is just a normal everyday bloke, as we say in England. Interesting. Very interesting. I would like to know more. I mean, it feels almost like, you know, sometimes when we do our segments, Amanda, that we start scratching at stuff that I think like, oh, this would make like an episode on its own. Sort of like, you know, deep diving into royals who aren't really technically royals. It's all related. Yeah, you can always go a little deeper, which is why, like you said, we'll never be out of a job. No, no, no, no, no. And as long as we have listeners, we will keep doing this. And we will hopefully, eventually, maybe get those extra tidbits. Maybe we'll do some special episodes down the line where we just nerd out on a really specific... I actually thought the other day of doing... It interested me of what does a day in the life of a royal servant or butler look like today. Sort of the people who work, you know, just doing weird little jumps down a rabbit hole and seeing what we dig at. There's a lot to look forward to. I'm game. Yeah, great. Well, that's us for today. You can listen to more episodes on Spotify and Acast. The podcast name, as we said, is Raincheck. If you can find me on X and Instagram, my handle is at MichaelPanter5. And Amanda, given your enormous mind-boggling following, it shouldn't be too hard to find you. But where can they do that? Stop. So I am on Instagram and TikTok at matteroffact. That's M-A-T-T-A underscore of underscore fact. You can also hear me on my other podcast where I dive a little bit more into the media narratives, maybe spinning stories in a certain way. That is off with their headlines. And you can listen to that as well anywhere you get your podcasts. Great. Well, I hope you've had fun. Myself and the lovely Amanda will be back next week with more. Until then, God save the king. Goodbye.
