Spittin' Chiclets Episode 606: Featuring Zeev Buium & Guy Gadowsky

Hey, spit and chicklets listas. You could find every episode on Apple Podcasts in Spotify. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Bostal sports. I brought it towards the coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined a spit chicklets podcast full time. No, little bit. Ryan Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now. I just got to land back or get there on camera. He can't be. The song man. Hey, it's a full time member. Marley just got this from Chris. Beat. Whoa, where buzzing right now? Ski. What is up folks? Welcome to episode 6. Oh, six of the spit and chicklets podcast. We're all rocking the same lid. Well, the same sort of lid. Biz has a different color scheme. But what is going on folks? You know what next episode is? Six oh six. Six oh six. People get so mad. We just want to have our followers. I have the other half that are actually still around. Well, we'll get into that in a sec. But first we do need to mention, Biz in sports winning takes more than talent. It takes strength, reliability and the drive to go to the distance. Sound familiar? That's the same DNA you'll find in the Chevy Silverado. As capable and dependable as winning team Chevy Silverado shows up against the job done. It won't flinch when the pressure's on. It doesn't take place off when it comes to trucks. Chevy Silverado's football guy approved to learn more about Silverado. Visit Chevy.com. And I will say this. We have a chance and it's not definite. We have a chance to bring something to you out of winter classic that you couldn't guess if you had six, the seven million guesses. So let me tell you right now, be prepared for a possible very, very special. We can't tease the potential of it even happening. No, I'm not, I'm not T. I, but put it this way, everyone who's thinking anything right now won't be able to think of what is maybe possible. There's a clue. That's only clue. Biz likes being teased. Oh, he does. He does. And choke to bring out the feathers. Bring out the hot candle wax. Yup, yup, yup. Maybe. Just pour it all over your chest. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where are you at right now, busy boy? I'm actually, I was just going to ask if you could hear the, the horns going on one of the cruise ships. I'm actually at the pack rim right now in Vancouver, British Columbia. A bunch of the boys are having a boys lunch on Friday to celebrate the holidays. I wanted to come up here, get a little bit of work done and obviously see Jeff Pasha and my fun crew that I hang out with the summer. Why are you laughing like that when I said Pasha? I'm laughing when you said I'm up in Vancouver because I want to get some work done. And I see your workbench right behind you. So I know that the boys will lead into some work. You know Keith grinded over his desk and his papers and his pen. Yeah. So yeah. Hey, one of the best hotels in the game, though, the pack. Yeah. I actually liked that Western Bay Shore too that we always said that was. Who were you? Me and it was grimey. We had that lunch room that had, it had everything. And they would have the best salmon we would have on the road. Like a fisher is to dive for. And you could look out to the water. You could see the mountains in North Vancouver and the fact that they always used to have us on the same floor. And this is during like the coyotes hay days. And we were always that was what they play off three years in a row. So we would always win and stick around for that a couple of days. We would always make it like a home base. And off we would go to the Roxy. We'd come back like everybody's doors would be open. We'd all be hanging out on the floor. And it was just a, this was one of our awesome road cities that we would get to. Um, I always felt like, uh, Yanns, we were in Chicago and Nashville a lot. And Nashville was the one where all the veterans would come out. Cause you know, we had like, we had a lot of vets where they weren't out booze. I'm like me every night. Like you would far and few between CM out having fun on the road. And that was even one where donor would come out was a Nashville. So those were, those were our hub cities. So, uh, yeah, because like when we were younger, we were, we were going to clubs. But then you go to Nashville and I remember to be like the older guys are out in Nashville, but it's just a little part of great music. So it wasn't like the hero act scene that us young guys were into. It was like, Hey, let's go grab a bar stool and listen to some sick live music from somebody that has a chance of ending up being like a famous musician. So there was a difference in the, in the old guy's mentality in Nashville. Yeah. I loved obviously both, but it's crazy to look back on the fact that I, like I would go to clubs all the time. Like you couldn't catch me dead in a club. I was just at that charity event in, uh, in Aspen and they have like this, like a club set up for the one night. I was in there for 30 minutes. I was asking people if they had earplugs. Like, yeah, get me. Get me the one in Chicago. We used to go, right. I think it was called underground. Oh, yeah. Oh, it was just an absolute. Oh, it was a war zone in the whole buddy. Buddy, you're sweating your cock off. It was just a, yeah, everything going on in there. But, uh, yeah, boys, um, other than that, what do you want to get into now, Woody? Well, I think we, we got to, uh, we got to, you know, talk about the, the big announcement that broke, uh, broke, broke over. I think it was what Wednesday. Yeah, because it's Thursday right now. Um, we're going on Netflix. We are going to Netflix. Um, pardon my take, the Ryan Rosillo show and spitting checklets are now on our video. Going to be a part of Netflix and kind of crazy when Dave called you and I, Bizz, I want to say is about three weeks ago. Maybe, yeah, maybe a little, yeah, a little, maybe a month ago, um, and, and just was like, Hey, this is an option. Like, what do you guys think? And we were both blown away, right? Like, bunch of questions right away and kind of curious, like, whoa, I didn't even know Netflix was in the podcast game. But just the fact that like we started this thing, Bizz wasn't there. Our A myself, Grinnell, we had, we had as what Grinnellie called a hammy down. Yeah. Now it was a hand me down GoPro camera when he wrote H, A M M Y. I, I thought he was a typo and I, but then I was like, Oh my god, this fucking idiot thought that hand me down was hand me down. No, when you say it, you really could kind of understand what he's going through. But you replied to bring nice. I think at 6 p.m. I tweeted, I can't stop thinking that Mike Grinnell thought hand me down was hand me down. And he said, plummet state education. So a little shot at his school, uh, she got more text about this than anything we've ever done with spit and chicklets. Like my 10 year career here, people, people are just baffled that I thought it was hand me down. Have you guys ever wrote note him hand me down? I never I'm with you. I'm with you on this G. No, this was one G where I thought, like, you got made fun of no doubt. But there was there was more comments than I thought, like, Oh, I kind of thought that that was it as well. Um, I didn't skip a beat after I read it. And if anything, I think they should change it. You don't count. You don't know. They should change it to hand me. I think I'm right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. It's it's it's almost like your trailer park moment. Your trailer park lost. I lost this. I'm now the loser in this convol. But you three are all idiots. So I still know that I'm winning prep school B you three years. Um, grade point average, not necessarily phenomenal, but I knew it was hand dash me dash down. So I'll stick to my guns and say that I'm still correct, but you guys can live in your world of hands. There's a lot of English things that I get. I used to think it was a two P's in a pot where it's two P's in a pod, like, because they're in those pods. So that's I guess that's an easier one than hand me down. Like that one is kind of like that one's, yeah, that's borderline R word. So G very funny, very funny. Um, in a big announcement and, you know, like in like in anything these days, there's there's people who. I think we're saying, hey, congratulations. Like great for you guys. And there was people who were furious, big mad as they say. Um, it is. I'm kind of going to throw it to you first. Like kind of explain your thoughts and and and where we're out right now. Yeah. So I don't think we should give like the time and attention right off the hop to maybe like the five 10 or 10% of people who. Somehow don't have Netflix and who I guess you would question like someone being a fan. If they're not happy for you when you're having success and and you know, you're building towards, you know, bigger and better things. Uh, we'll get to, um, you know, talking about that afterward. But I guess my brain, uh, first off just kind of went to being thankful and grateful for the people on our team and our staff. Like, you know, I remember when Erica, um, Nardini, who's no longer with bar stool and and gas and some people behind the scenes, uh, recommended that we start putting our, our, our, our podcast on video and obviously I was furious. I was furious when that happened. I've been like, no, no, we're going to lose. Well, I'm disgusting. I have to then like somehow look decent. Like I still can't do it, but go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah, I got to put this big. But it was a two years. Yeah, it was just, it was a, it was a, it's a podcast. Yeah. And then obviously like G being the producer, having to act on that and it putting more work on his plate and as well as, you know, memes who has been around along for a while, uh, Pasha, fish, uh, uh, Nick, burda, like the whole crew that we currently have Julia, who helps with pink Whitney. So, uh, R.A. Yanns, like everyone, everyone who's on our team, right? So that's first where my, my mind went to be thankful and grateful for all you guys. And then my thought went to like, how are we even in this position, um, bar stool in general, right? And the, the people who before the company was as big as it is now, who helped lay the foundation, like the four play guys, Riggs, uh, Trent, uh, and Frankie, who were there since the beginning, the chicks in the office, girls, uh, the, um, uh, the, the list goes on and on. I mentioned gas, like you guys could think of a million more people who have been involved at barst with from the beginning, who, once I said brick by brick, obviously Dave being the, the center piece of all that and finding all this talent that have helped grown this company to the size that it is now to eventually put us in the situation that we're in now to get linked up with Netflix. And I couldn't be more grateful for the opportunities that I, in the doors that I think it's going to open moving forward. And, uh, I think that it, it is going to have an, along with putting sandbaggers on there, chicklets you, now I know there's a lot of questions from our hardcore fans, like what's going to happen with those? Those sandbaggers, chicklets you, the vlog, uh, game notes, all of that in video form will remain on YouTube. So you can go watch that and consume that for free. Um, also I feel like a lot of the people that do complain, especially with us moving to Netflix are also the same people that were complaining about YouTube ads because they didn't pay for YouTube premium. Well, once again, that solution can be solved by you paying, paying for a premium product on that platform to avoid all those ads that constantly come up while you're consuming that. That aren't even ours. That's YouTube. That's, that's, that's YouTube, right? But once again, like I just want to thank all the, like the support from all the people, uh, who have been with us since the beginning. And once again, all the barstool staff and I'll hand it over to you or Yannes if you want to keep, uh, and, and it's also not just the talent who have helped us lay the foundation from a barstool perspective. It's when we go do the chicklets, uh, cups, uh, live event Lisa and that and her whole staff and all those people who help with that, all the people who had, uh, help set up our pink Whitney events, all the people who, like, like the spiders, the large is like, you could probably name off 50 more people off the top of your head who have, who have helped us get to this point from barstool in the, in the army that it is. So I, I just want to express my gratitude to all those people on that side who have helped facilitate us and the fact that we've been able to grow even before Netflix happen. So I'll hand it over to Yannes and you before we kind of dive into, to the hate, so to speak. When you guys called me and obviously I'm new to this. I'm small fish big pond, but I couldn't have been more proud of you guys. Just what you put into this, what you've, you know, given us, I was a fan before and I think it's such an amazing opportunity for everyone involved. And, uh, it basically be like getting a call to play in the NHL if you weren't in, if you were in some random league and you just said, no, like, this is an opportunity you got to take. Like Netflix is such a huge player in the game. And I think it's amazing. And I think you guys deserve a lot of credit and for what you've done and what you've given back to hockey, what you've, uh, you know, given, you know, fans every single week. So I think it's something should be super proud of yourselves for and, and, you know, really be, be happy. And with the KFC radio, like, like, a fight, a bird, uh, what's that? The first, the first pod. They were the first ones, right? KFC, uh, obviously, uh, pardon my take, big cat, all those guys like, um, so PFT. I just, I can't keep snapping the lover out more to the love around to the guys and girls at barstool. Yeah. And in terms of snapping the love around, I was thinking about this last night. So all of us, our dreams came true of, of, of reaching the NHL, right? Like, and when you look back at the end of your career, there are, there are many people that you owe thanks to and you see different speeches, whether it's a Hall of Famer or somebody who played five games in the NHL, like, their dream came true. And there's people who helped them along the way. But a lot of times, most of that, like, ability to get to that level is within you. And it's what you did. And it's what you put in and it's what you sacrificed. And it's all those things that while getting help, no doubt, you were the one that got it done. This second career of ours is the opposite where without you guys listening right now and watching, we really are nothing. So you look back at the NHL and like, I take a lot more credit for what I did playing hockey than what I've done as a podcaster. Because without you guys, there's literally nothing. There's no pod. There's no, there's no anything. It's just, it was a, it was an idea and a thought that turned into something that's beyond my and Keith and business wildest imagination. I hope, I hope you know where we're being honest. Like when, when at least personally, this thing started, I was literally going over to our race to shoot the shit about hockey just to get out of the house. I didn't have kids. I didn't know what I was going to do. All right. Well, this is something and I was a bar stool fan and I don't know. Like not a plan, not an idea, not even a thought to make any money. Like I truthfully telling you that. And then as it progresses and it gets bigger and biz hops on, it's like, wow, we have something pretty, pretty special here. And all the guys have done interviews, but I come back to the fans and more fans and more fans and a guy telling his buddy and another guy telling another buddy and all of a sudden, like we've grown up as podcasters and as people in our second career. So when we got this news and we got this opportunity, like, I'm not going to sit here and say that. Me and biz didn't think like all like it kind of does like screw over if you don't have Netflix, some of the people who watch on YouTube. Now I'll also go into the fact that I've always thought it's kind of crazy. And this is purse, this is me personally that like people watch podcasts. Now thank God they do because that's why we, you know, we do what we can and we're able to now go to Netflix. And that's how so many podcasts become successful. But I listened to them and this was an audio podcast. That's how it began. That's how it ran. And then his video became the thing we obviously got into YouTube. But I don't want you to think that we didn't sit around and say like, oh, some people are some people are going to be rattled. But at the same time, like, for me, if I was a fan of something or someone and they kept growing and they kept moving and they made a move that maybe I didn't agree with, I wouldn't then say like, oh, fuck it's sell out, fuck it's scumbag. Some of the messages I've gotten and this is a vocal minority. I, I, I, as biz said, I'd be happy for them. I might be bummed out a little bit, but I'd be happy. And, and the fact is that like, I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, like, there wasn't way more money involved. Like, we got paid more money. Like, that's a fact. Now, jeez going to make more money, posh, going to make more money. Morals army. Everyone's going to make more money. Like that. We're going to make more money. And if you're sitting around calling me a sell out, all right, I'm a fuck it's sell out that I don't give a fuck. I really don't. I'm saying that and telling you how much I appreciate every single person who's ever watched this show, who's ever tuned in, whoever has commented, liked, watched, subscribed. It doesn't matter. Now, sometimes like, you kind of agree to disagree. And if, and if you now hate us so much that you don't want to watch anymore, that sucks. And, and I'm bummed out to hear it, but that's your decision. And I respect it. And if you want to keep riding with us and you want to get Netflix, or you'd rather just maybe listen to the audio instead, thank you so much. We appreciate it. But you can never please everyone. And this is something that came from nothing that has turned into something very special that I will think of myself more as a, as one of the hosts of spin chicklets, when I'm 70, 80 years old, God willing, then I will that I was a hockey player. So I'm very long winded here. No, you've been breaking this down unreal, dude. I just want to say thank you to everyone. And if you're upset, I am sorry. I'm not saying sorry, not sorry. I'm sorry, but we made a decision. I hope you still ride with us. That would mean the world to us. And if you don't, no hard feelings, no hard feelings. It's more about the like the nasty message coming back. Like you said, where it's like, oh, so we've gone to two a week. We got all these guys behind the scenes, grinding their cocks off. And then you expect them to just like not take this opportunity. And it's also like, it wouldn't just be leaving an opportunity to like make sure these guys are taking care of financially, where we're hoping it opens up the door to get, you know, better interviews, maybe more opportunities for different guests for sandbaggers. Maybe that gets amplified and we do more of them. You know, jeez been doing these chicklets, use that have been doing great as far as views. Like maybe they're interested in that and they're willing to fund more of those types of trips for him to go do so you can consume more. And also like we're not holding the gun to your head and say, sign up for Netflix. Like just to listen and watch our podcasts, like there are so many more talented actors and shows and things that that Netflix has to offer outside of our podcast. And another thing too, it's like we also made the decision based on the fact that 80% of our our listenership overall. So including if it was video form and or audio are listening on audio and then also assuming that what, like 70% of the population has been in Netflix. So like, yeah, there's a small percentage of you that are quote, a quote getting hose, but it's like if you're that big of a fan and you're happy for us in our success, like if you don't want to buck up and pay the $15 a month in order to support us, we're okay with that. But coming in with the mud to slander the fact that everybody's hard work shouldn't be rewarded. I just don't think that that you're honest in saying that you wouldn't be doing the same. And that's kind of where that's where you lose me. That's perfectly well said. And like I mentioned, like sandbaggers and everything else it remains on YouTube. Ideally for us, we bring those over to Netflix, not exclusively though, those will forever be on YouTube. That's free and the chickens you and the vlogs and also like our Twitter and you know, maybe everyone's not on Twitter, but like Instagram and Twitter, all of our clips from the shows and the interviews are still are still on there. And I think a lot of people kind of consume a lot of our content on the clips. So, Biz, I like what you said, like if if you if you hate us now, I honestly, I'm not being rude. I don't care. And I wish I wish she didn't, but like good luck to you, no hard feelings. And we're not going we're not going anywhere. We're still going to be bringing you the best content we can. And there might be I believe that net Netflix has about 90 million users, like people that have signed up on average, maybe it's just in North America too. Maybe that's just North America. So the amount of exposure that it might bring to hockey with us being on there now where people are like, oh, like what's going on over here? That we also look at that like an opportunity. So I just don't really I can't I can't reason with you if if your idea is that we're kind of hosting you if you're that five five to 10% of the minority that are like extremely angry about this because let's keep in mind here, like we started this as a just audio podcast in which once again you're getting free on all platforms. You're still getting the the sandbaggers. You're still getting the chicklets used. You're still getting all the clips on social media, which we're doing. So literally we're taking one a quarter quarter away for you that you can still pay to go watch, which also provides you all these other amazing things that this company was willing to buck up and pay us for the work that we're putting in. And once again, we've went from one to two a week and we're bringing you a lot of entertainment or at least we try. So I feel like we've been we've been long winded, but pretty reasonable and rational about this. And if I could just say something for the behind the scenes, guys, like when you're in film school and you're learning how to edit, the NHL is Netflix. Like that is such a it's such a pipe dream. It's something that you you almost never feel is achievable. And when I called all of our guys to tell them, Hey, we're doing Netflix, like the excitement in their voices was just something that made us made me so happy. And it should make all of our fan bases happy because like this for me and I can speak for the guys behind the scenes, this is a dream come true. Like our work is going to be on Netflix. Like that is the that's what we worked our entire life for. That's why fish went to the best film school in America. That's why Pasha went to an unbelievable film school in Vancouver. Like we worked our asses off for this. So for us, it's a dream come true. So anyone out there that's not happy for us, I just feel sorry for you because we're living our dreams right now. We couldn't be happy. And some of them are saying like like a woke all you're working with Netflix. Some of these people, man, they live in this like they live on this hamster wheel. And they just like they did they're just angry and they want a bitch about it. All you're associated with this company and they they didn't like one thing this company did at one certain point of time. So if you associate with them, then they'll never I'll never listen to you again. It's like man, get off your hamster wheel. You got some major major brain issues. They do allow nudity though, right? Netflix announced nudity. So this is well be doing helicopter cock and man. As long as the first episode. Yeah, there you go. A live piss bomb on Netflix. Yeah. I thought you made a good point just about like the community of the, you know, the fans that we have like I can't see a world that you know, everyone is in like the true writers aren't happy for everyone because like you said, it's growth and it's just bettering ourselves and it's kind of better the product, right? And it's going to be better listening for them. So I at the end of the day, man, it's fucking a huge unbelievable opportunity and you guys should be pumped. And like, biz, there are some people and it honestly like makes me sad. It makes me feel really bad that they're just they're they're they're down on the dumps. They're not happy with the way their lives are going and they and they choose to kind of like spread not it's not hate necessarily. It's just spread being miserable as opposed to just trying to like live life the right way. And I'm not saying everyone who's not going, you know, we're going through things. It's not easy. But there's a lot of people I could sense from the comments I was getting at just just kind of miserable people and they're just looking to make other people miserable. And it brings me to my other point. Uh, boys week. Do you remember a couple weeks during the weeks ago at boys weekend? Oh yeah. I screamed. Breeze in Hawaii for six days right now. Boys. So we're going ham. We're going ham right now. And she left a note and it was a great note. It was it was to the boys in the morning and it said, uh, be kind, work hard, choose joy. And I was like, I texted her. I go, you're a fucking animal. You're a rock. So it's just a ride or reddit. And he was like, he loved it. I could tell it sparked his day. So that's what we're going with. That's that's the boys week model. Thank God, the ranks ready. And I'm out here. That's a baby center. I'm out here. Grind this morning. Got got rider up. Got him to the boss. He's like 30 minutes from here. So he takes a bus to school. Then I got wide. I came back. I got wide to school. Then I got Cal over to like he goes like a, like a, like a little plate, play area place. You know, a couple days a week. Then I came back. I gave Yoshi his medicine. I stuck it in a piece of chicken. So he like usually spits it out. But I able, I was able to master it within the chicken where he ate his medicine. Then I took him for a walk. And at this point, it's nine. And I'm like, I have, I have rushed this day so far. Like you want to give me medals out. You want to have Netflix come on and bring you onto their network. That's what you do in the morning as a father or three young boys. That's why you have that coffee cup that says number one dad, right? Yeah. I also have this coffee cup, which brings us in to a team that's buzz. Can I say one last thing? No, with, you know, squeaky wheel gets the grease. And I know we just gave a little bit of time and attention to the people bitching, but to, to regurgitate your comments about thanking the original rider dies and all the people who have followed us and support us along the way. I think this is a win for all of us. And that we're happy for us too. I said congrats. Yeah. And I look at this as an opportunity to like not only prove the, the haters and the naysayers wrong, but continue to amplify the product for those people who have support us. And the work starts now. Like every time we've hit these little milestones, it's not like we've taken our foot off the gas. We're just going to continue to try to bring more and better stuff to our fans who support us. So I'm sorry to the people who don't want to buck up the $140, $150 a year in order to support something you supposedly love. But you could still listen to it on our, all of our channels from an audio standpoint. And you don't look at us and you don't have to look at her. Exactly. Exactly. Guys, and real quick, we did mention when we were talking about Netflix Chikletue. We did just drop a new Chikletue University episode. It's with you, Con Tuscany, family, ice arena, $73 million. They just put into this bad boy. It's absolutely gorgeous. It's brand new. I believe they opened it in 2023. Joey Mulboundy gave us the tour, name sound familiar. Second in the country last year and scoring. So very excited. Go check it out right now on this Chikletue YouTube channel. And it's Coach Kavanaugh. That was actually the one big takeaway I wanted to discuss is coach Kavanaugh was absolutely incredible. Just so impressive. The program he's built. He infamously was at Boston College Recruited Cabin Hays Recruited Jimmy Hays. So just an unbelievable guy. He's built an unbelievable program. So very, very excited fish. We can actually just roll the trailer here. And then you guys can move on. Here you come. I mean they got it all. Now it's time for hockey talk. Boom. You're right. Bez hockey talk. And that's why I want to just give an incredible congratulations to not only Leon Drysidle, but the entire city of Edmonton and every person that's loyal to the oil around the world. This is this is a global brand. Biz the Edmonton Oilers. You know why? They're the first team in NHL history with five players to get 1000 points with their team. That is the type of team we're talking about. That is a truly great franchise that while having some dark years that unfortunately was while I was there have had many, many more magnificent incredible seasons with players that you couldn't even dream up in your mind. AI couldn't create some of these players. And Leon Drysidle is one of them. And I want to show to Jason Greger, good buddy of mine, who's in Edmonton. He's a he has a podcast on daily face off. He's got a radio show. He's dialed in. Knows the game. His nephews Noah Greger, who's on the Florida Panthers this year. Oh, actually keep congrats. You won the 50 50. Oh, yeah, that's crazy. That's fucking insane. That is absolutely ridiculous. That was so fucking fun. If you want to, if you would have wanted an Edmonton game, you could retire. Well, not like I know. I guess you could. All the trainers when we'd be in the Canadian cities, they'd all like get the pot together because the 50 50s are out of control in Canada. Right. Like eight million for one of the cup final games last year. Yeah, because it's crazy. Edmonton's always been no great franchises. Great 50 50s. So I've mentioned Jason Greger. He wrote an awesome article. He went back into Leon Drysettles entire life. He interviewed his mom, his dad, his sister, a bunch of teammates, all of his former coaches for Edmonton. So whether it was Ken Hitchcock, Todd McClellan, what's his name that was in Anaheim? Tip it. No, yeah, tip it. And then who's the guy who took away the donuts? Oh, yeah. Jesus Christ. Nice. Nice. What the heck? Oh, God. Jesus. What a hell. What the fuck? Yeah. Fuck Dallas. He can. Dallas. He can. Wow. That's not, that's not you. That's us. But the article sick and it was talking about. So I didn't know his dad was a very good player played for Germany in the 98 Nagano Olympics played, you know, in the, in the league over there. And he was just obsessed with hockey from a young age. Like his mom's talking about that he would sit in full gear at two and a half and just watch games and just watch hockey. And it's like it kind of made me think that. And I think I mentioned this last week or a couple of weeks ago that while 98% or 95% of the NHL aren't these generational talents, hall of fame superstars. And maybe fall in love with the game at 12 or become great at 13. The true superstars, the SIDS, the McDavid's, the Leon's, the McKinnons, they are born with it. And you kind of know right away. I'm sticking by this. Like when I read this about him and all the stuff about Sid and McDavid playing against 11 year old 26 or seven, like the greatest of the greats and Gretzky as a little kid shoot on his grandmother. Like they are born with it. And they are created in a lab that is somehow their mother's stomach as well. So Leon was one of those kids. The placenta, a placenta very busy. Women actually like turn the placenta into pills after and eat the placenta. Biz. You know, you know that. No comment. Well, go check out that literally my multivitamin. But the way he did it in Pittsburgh, I was very fired up for that game Tuesday night. Oh yeah. Because Sid's, I think at that point, Sid was two or three away from from tying Mario. That is just something that penguins fans, like you drafted him and he turned into this Mount Rushmore hockey player. But you still would have been like, Oh, I don't think I don't think he's touching Mario's record for points. And he's going to break it. He's probably going to crush it. Especially if he remains there his entire career. So you had that and you had McDavid on this run and Leon, look at first thousand point. And what do you know? It's Jari versus Skinner on real and the puck goes in and they're celebrating. Now I as an oil fan, I can even admit I was like, you're empty in the bench for a thousand points. Absolutely. Yeah. He's comment was that the entire arena of fans should come on the ice for a thousand points. That's for a hundred goals. Fucking I got everybody in the hall of fame, right? Like you should be celebrating these types of achievements, yeah. One hundred percent. Like the work that's gone in the years of staying healthy, like not to mention the guy's still only what? He's 30 years old. Like I mean, he's still on a good clip here. Like we got a lot more years. Hopefully his next thousand points. I'll go on the ice for that as well. But it's just one of those things where I'm sure the player doesn't love it. Like because all hockey players are kind of you know built from the same cloth. They don't want that attention on them. But as a teammate in biz with you know that like when other guys get accolades, it's your teammates. When you see how happy they are when they're celebrating you, I'll never forget when I played my thousandth game. You see guys are just like giving you a hug because they know what it takes and stuff like that. Even when Shane don't, he finally got a hat trick. Dude, I was just going to mention that. And then Mike Smith when he got a goal, we went out that night like we won the Stanley Cup. It was like those are some of my funnest nights of just like when your when your teammate does something that you know 95% of the league is never going to do. In you're a part of it, it's the coolest thing. And that's what I love about the game. And I love the fact that you're old man, you know, a cloud that you don't like that. But it's stay I think it's just like, whoa, I didn't expect it. I didn't expect it. Oh, you know, it was your dad and said, the facts. What was it your dad who said it? No, he's calling me old man, you know, at the club. Okay. So you're coming off the bench for a thousand points. Yeah. Oh, I mean, I think that you any chance you get to celebrate anything in life. You do it, especially that. And I just think that you could just tell the morale is so high. And you know, they had those t-shirts teed out with the six ready to go. So that's what I think actually the boys are more excited about. We're smoking the Jimmy's after the game. But I agree with you. And he's also like, he's made that organization. A lot of those guys lives very easy. And the fact that he's helped carry them to back to back Stanley Cup finals. And just the, you know, you talk about those types of players. And they're so hyper focused. And they put every fiber they're being to be being the greatest hockey player. And you know how much it means to him. And but yet they don't like the, they don't like the attention like that. So it's just remarkable how these guys are built and how their program. And sure enough, after that morale boost, what does McDavid do the next shift? Like probably less than 10 seconds later, 10 and two and around the fucking D man and boom to the back of the net for dry side. It's thousand than one point. So first ever German player to do it. So that also has to mean a lot for him for his country and where he came from in order to, to put them on the map. Like he's continued to do. And just like the evolution of German hockey. Like, you know, like there's more and more guys coming up, right? And he's one of those guys. He's going to be Germany's Gretzky. For the rest already. He is already. So that has to just mean so much to him coming from where he came from and it was remarkable to see I couldn't be happier for the guy. And hey, it goes back to some guys get it all. I fucking he has one hand. So he is a Sally. He I would never let my wife in a room alone with that guy. Some of the most underrated hair in the game too. His hair is always. He has facial hair. The hair. Yeah. Probably the article is Paul Battenhorn. He's gone. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And he could probably do a piss bomb because he's European. But he uh, uh, what one of the coaches I might have been McClellan said what what he loved about him was he'll play any way. Like he's like, all right. Um, you're running into a night where a team's like, let's skill this thing up. I got it. And hey, we're running into a team that's like, we're going to muck it up. And this is going to be a battle zone. I got that too. And I kind of thought about it after like he is he's so big and like dominant. But he fucking takes hits to make plays. He drags guys in and then the backhand his ability on the backhand probably. I'm going to give it to cross. Be obviously after that. I think the best player in the world on his backhand partly to do with him having a legit like two by four is a stick and a blade. But uh, like even his his mum was talking about. He's like five years old. And he would just like take the top of like he take a bottle cap and then like find a stick. He'd be just like shooting the bottle cap stick stick hand on the bottle cap. When he had time off his dad's like, what do you want to do? They'd go to random parking lots and like put a net and he would just shoot and stick handle balls at like seven years old. Like like you said, but it's put every single part of his life into this game. And so to see that happen and to see the player he is and to also talk to Euler's fans if you do. I mean, he's third overall pick. It was um, he was after Reinhart who was first that your Eckblad maybe. Ecky. Yeah. Ecky. Reinhart him. I think the Euler's were like, you know, excited third pick, but they didn't they didn't expect this like, nobody could have expected this. He left home. He left his, uh, his town, uh, Cologne, Biz. He still hasn't actually come out with the Cologne line. That's an all time checklist moment where Biz, if anyone didn't know, looked at his uh, Google page or his bio and saw Cologne Germany. And then randomly, it was like, I think he's starting a Cologne because he saw the word Cologne. Very funny moment. So at at 13, he, he's like, I have to leave like it's it's not good enough here. I want to go to manheim, which was three hours away. In the article, it says with two teammates, they got an apartment. They were 13 years old. Like kind of crazy to me, but that's like, let's learn how to smoke. So he had a full fucking beard and a fucking baseball bat. So I mean, yeah, and then he went on to have a proof of insurance. We got we trust you. And then in the article, it says that year had 29 goals and 97 assists, which is kind of crazy, like 29 and 97 now on the oil. There's like, oh, we're very random. Like the stats to the numbers of him and him and McDavid. But Pittsburgh and Edmonton, it's been a, it's been a hammer and nail type rivalry. Like Edmonton dominates them. And not only did dry side will get his thousand point and first and thousand and two points that game. Good English. I believe McDavid pass crossby in that game for most four point games by active players. It was McDavid's 44th career, four point game. So it's like, kind of forgot that that McDavid, I think is third or fourth fastest to a thousand points in NHL history and Leon's like top 20 in the league. So just generational players that that we get the chance to watch and you know, how many more arm and gave are going to have and speaking of all both of them too, like as much as they get points on one another's goals and they power play, power play together, they're both of their abilities to play with other guys that maybe might not be up to their standard, but yet still get it done and elevate their play is pretty remarkable. Like even the way that he's took and pod coals and under his wing, Leon and now sometimes pod coals and he's going to his spot where he scores off to the side near the goal line. So I just think it's remarkable the way that these high end guys are able to elevate their teammates. And another thing I saw too and I don't think this was AI generated, but maybe I'm getting a spoofed here, but obviously a tough situation between, you know, Stuart Skinner and the way that he was handled leaving town, like that's not that's probably not enjoyable. He's from there, Jari who's also from there gets to go back. So they do the goalie swap and that's probably the main topic of conversation going into that game that was on TNT the other night, but after the game, just the way that McDavid and Leon like embraced them and say, love them. You could tell. Yeah. And you know, it's just a god to see he's had this draw together. And you talked about, you know, you talked about how, you know, when they get a safe percentage above 900, how successful they are. And maybe how, you know, he had has, he's had has his struggles or had has has had has had has had English to your fucking rubbing off on me, Whitty. It was just cool to see that in that the love is not lost. And there'll be brothers for life. It just, you know, sometimes businesses business. So thought Jari looked good. And, you know, that was just the peppering by Edmonton on on Pittsburgh. Another thing quick on Leon. And I'm sure like Edmonton fans and true hockey fans, he's when McDavid's not even playing. He elevates his game to another level to like whenever McDavid's been out of the lineup, it's like, okay, we obviously you miss him, but you miss him a lot less when you got a guy like Leon. So he's not a guy that's kind of rode anyone's coattails either. He's done it all himself and has no it's not. It's Malcolm crossby. And I know we don't we don't have the three cops, but they are so similar in terms of like the way Malcolm and dry side will play. And then the speed sit had at a younger age and he's changed this game. He's played 20 years that and McDavid has the speed. It's it's eerie. How similar it all is. And just a little in depth oil or stuff. There was an article by Alan Mitchell in the athletic. It was interesting because what did I tell you guys do? And the oilers are now on a run. The oilers are now humming. What did I tell you needed to happen and would happen 20 games 40 points. Okay. Thank you. McDavid in December. He's got seven games. He's got 20 points. So we're looking at possibly after 20 games. It might be 50ish points based on what he's doing. He's in Boston tonight or or you guys listen on Friday. That could be that I'm not going. Breeze and who I have fun. But yeah, that should be a good one. But the article by this Alan Mitchell guy. So his ice times down. McDavid's ice times down and it makes a lot of sense. So it's it's down about a minute of game. Even a minute and a half a game in December compared to October and November. And it just makes sense. And people are probably like a minute and a half. It's like dude, it adds up. It adds up and your matchups are the toughest you're going to get and you get 90 seconds less a game. That's just more energy on the bench. The shape. They're in the recovering quicker. And it kind of I was surprised because I didn't know that. And that's kind of explained this just explosion. He's on right now. That's kind of one of my issues. What sometimes you see Matthews up in the 21-22 range where I'm like bump that down. And the same goes the other way. Like I know Philip DeNoe has now requested a trade out of L.A. Where you notice sometimes the game sheet. He's in that like 15 and a half 16 range where sometimes that extra minute and a half, two minutes and that ice time you're not getting from your coach is irritating because that's you getting in your rhythm a little bit more time in between shifts to not get in that offensive rhythm. So I'm telling you that the ice time thing is a very fickle conversation about how much you should get or shouldn't be given. And I agree with you. I think that Edmonton, especially how heavy they lean on them as the playoffs go on, the more you can conserve their energy now, the better. And if you have a well built team, they shouldn't be playing 21-22 minutes. They should be in that 19 range where they're more effective. What was especially in an Olympic year too, like the condensed schedule. They don't care about that. But yeah, I know. But we talked about it earlier in the year when Minnesota was struggling when Capri Solve was playing 24 minutes a night. It's like man, one is too much to. Yeah, it's like you got to be at that perfect amount. And that's what takes a good coach to figure that out and implement that. And then the player can't get pissed off, right? Because obviously everyone wants to play the most that you can. But when the coach knows how many minutes you should be playing your production that you're going to get, like that's a huge, huge, huge asset to have. Whit, did you want to just quickly talk about Krosby about to hit 1800 points? He would be the second fastest player all time. He's so other than Wayne Gratsky. Yeah, I think it's it's a no-brainer now. I don't know if anyone thought 2000 points would be touched. SIDS going to get it. Connor's going to get it. I mean, God, Leon's 30. Like fuck, he might get it. But it's just it's just an amazing to see. And it's it's now at the point though with Pittsburgh, the questions are going to come up again. Magical star at the last six in a row. I think three of them have been overtime or shootout losses where they're getting a point. But they are out of the playoffs right now. That kind of sucks to see because what had happened in Pittsburgh and Mewse comes in and and Malcolm was playing incredible. It's like, oh my god, like we're going to get another run here. We're going to get another maybe not a run to the cup, but a playoff opportunity. They're they're struggling and not not having Malcolm is bad news. They got to get him back healthy. But Sid is just it's what we've said it over and over and over again. It's like it's just 20 fucking years of over a point per game. How do you even explain it? My call plays a few points away from passing Mario. He's still a little bit away from hitting that 1800 mark. Yeah, what? What 20? No, no, he's at 1722 overall right now. I thought it was 1780. Okay. Okay. I thought he was a little farther along too. That's why my call. But he's getting he's getting. I think he's getting there too. No, no. I think I actually think this won't be his last Olympics. That's my hot take. Love it. I think he's going to play. You've been saying that well, buddy, you think he's you think he's going to let Marshaun play past them? They're fucking buddies are trained very true. Nate's going to still be going. He ain't fucking retiring. I know bunch of on our group chat Keith was like, I can't believe Marshawn has like 17 or 18 like whatever he had, I think it's 16 17 18 19 now. And also 19 and also I went on part in my take. It's going to be out Wednesday and they they were it's their NHL preview. It's the earliest. They've ever done their NHL preview. And he's like, all right, give me your cup finalist. And I'm like, obviously Edmonton, but I mentioned the central and and then he's like, all right, what about in the east? And I was thinking and I'm like, it based on the last two weeks, I think Florida's going back to the cup. Yeah. Yeah. So and I started talking on them. I'm like, all right. So Tampa, but they own Tampa last year, maybe different story like who's better than them. And then Kachucks, I'm going to be rested. And then if they get bar call back, I think that it's going to be a rematch. I think it's going to be third time in a row. People are laughing at my Edmonton take, but who out there right now doesn't think Florida's going to do it. They look unbeatable again. The biggest question is the West because how good the central is. That's the only question. I think the east, the Florida's healthy. They might have it again. Yeah. I actually at this point now would love to see a rematch again. I just got to see if McDavid and dryside all can beat the fucking the Florida Panthers. This would be I think it would garner. It would be great for ratings. Oh, yeah. That's that to me is is where it's at. But let's hope the Leafs have something to do with it. You did mention the crossby take about how he doesn't have the same speed as he once did, but how well he's been able to transform his game, which I think is one of the more underappreciated things about him. Like how he's yeah, how he finds ways to exploit the game. He's around the net doing those tip plays. I can just how he's I compare him to the Tom Brady because it's like when you play quarterback, it's like he cracked the code. He's seen every single defense in the formation and nothing coming at him is a surprise and that's just where sit is right now. He's playing with the house's money and that's why I agree. I think he's hitting 2000 points and I think he's playing in another Olympics. So that's that's a remarkable thing about and like when said came in Keith before you go, he the way you see, McDavid dart through the middle now in the speed that nobody could comprehend. That was said at the beginning. It did the same exact thing. It was speed that nobody'd ever seen before with the puck. So he had that. Yeah, I was just going to say his adaptability the way when he first came in the league though, it was still like that tail end of the clutch and grab. Like he was playing against mutant demons like prong the prongers of the world. You know, you can go. Aaron Hatcher was in Philly. Hatcher. Yeah, exactly playing against him 15 times a year. And then to play, you know, when the game's gotten faster and he's gotten older and still be enabled to dominate the way that he does. Like he's just the poster child of the NHL the last 20 years of what he's been able to do. He's put the league of him and over. He put the league on their back when it was in dark times for a few years when we were on the OLN and now look at us. It's it's it's unreal what they've done for the game. And in Buffalo lucky enough before the last episode, the news broke Kevin Adams was out. Yarmul comes in and well, he'd been there, but he gets he gets the GM role. He spoke to the media for 20 minutes. It was actually after Pagula spoke to the media. Pagula took no questions. He hasn't taken a question from reporters since 2020, which I found kind of interesting. I love that move. It's just like, I was a bill. I would be there on the owner. I can hire four thousand different people if I want to. I never taken your question. Would there people in the room? Yeah, it's oh, the whole media outlets there. He has a jet, but he'll you know, they'll clinch the playoffs at some point, Buffalo, you will. And he'll be like, ah, question and answer with Terry Pagula tomorrow at 3 PM at the arena, but I didn't know Kekelein is the first GM. He's hired who was a GM previously. Kind of crazy. Because I think all the got you know, Baudero was a system GM and all that. So all right. I'm going to go with the guy who's done this before Kekelein still spoke for about 20 minutes. He some of the quotes that stood out was we can make the playoffs this year. I mean, what else are you going to say? I mean, I don't necessarily agree with you, Yarmul, but he believes in that. And he said like, I am looking at everyone. I'm not willing to commit to the coach. I'm not willing to commit to to players. We have some great people in here who are awesome at their job, but everyone is under the microscope. And in terms of Alex Tuck, we have to have a number that works for both of us. I want to resign him. He's a great player. Grinnelli wrote on the outline, gee, you can hop on that. You read that reportedly Kevin Adams, yeah, I don't know. I don't know where you see in that, bro. Now it's like Sabers report. It's like a pretty credible Sabers like so there's Sabers report whoever they are saying that Kevin Adams told people that Alex Tuck is asking for more than Adrian Kempe around the Adrian Kempe number. And once again, like, we can't confirm or deny that. I feel like the guy just lost his job and he's been through the meat grinder. So I and we did talk about the fact that sometimes when you have an owner whose hands on it's it's not free reign, right? You have to okay a lot of things through him. So and probably a reason why he'd never hired a GM who'd had experience before all of a sudden he gets to be the puppet master, right? So I mean, the guy won't even ask her for answer questions for Christ's sake. So I don't know what type of truth there is to that. Now on the flip side, I respect Alex Tuck and his abilities as a player. There isn't a lot of great free agents. Do you see him getting in the 11 range? So what it can't can't be got 11 or 10? 10 six or something like that. But still if he's looking for a little bit more of a bump, let's just assume the numbers 11. Is that a is that a? Maybe to stay in your bill. Is that an eight year deal? Like what does that look like? Maybe to stay in Buffalo, give him the 10 11, but elsewhere, I'd see it a little lower around the nine range, but I love the player. 29 he'll be turning 30 in he'll be he'll be turning 30 before the season starts of of this monster deal he's going to get. I don't mind giving him 10 on a shorter term, right? Like I if somebody's given him eight years at 10, like I don't know how that's going to translate. Looking at his numbers, I mean last year 36 goals, 67 points this year, he's at 28 points 31 games 11 goals, awesome player. I would love him on the oilers, the wild fans with love them on the wild. Everyone wants him this spring. That that's a big, big ticket for a guy who's just based on stats and age, going to regress a little bit over the course of that contract. So if it's four or five years and he's able to get 50 million, does he want way more term? A lot of times players, players do want the term. I don't know, though. And does he feel like he could be part of the solution in Buffalo, which going back to what you said about Kekalainen's comments like in last pod, I mentioned like fuck, it's kind of ugly if it continues the way it's been going, you know, maybe trade off some of these guys. I'm totally fine with them keeping some of the core that they have there. He's one of the guys I would want to keep. I would keep talk. I would keep Dalline, although I want him in Toronto. Uh, Tage Thompson, who's on a ridiculous contract for the next how many every years, uh, don't like they have, uh, I don't mind that Benson kid. They probably have about six, seven, maybe stretch it to eight pieces that I think are are a good solid foundation to create that core and build around. But we've been sitting here talking about that for a long time. So at what point is, is there a type of major change? Who knows what we'll see the rest of the season? They have been on a bit of a heater since we said that there's zero, zero point zero percent chance that they're making playoffs. You just never know, but let's hope they're at least fighting till the end here and they're relevant enough to be in the conversation for the fans of Buffalo. But I'm going to take my comments away of trading some of those guys. Yeah. I mean, you got to start somewhere, right? Like the guys you name, if you look at any teams, Rossin, you have, you know, four legitimate NHL stars, like they do, I mean, stars might be a little stretch, but like they got legit unreal players. Like you have to start somewhere. They've done the, hey, let's get rid of guys. Those guys go on win championships. They have to build within. They got to keep guys and you got to bring other guys in. Obviously, drafting. Well, like you got to hit home runs on your draft and I don't know, man, it's just dark, dark times there. And you wanted like we said last podcast, we wanted to be good there just as much as the people of Buffalo. Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. So you're going to see some action there. And John Boutragross is teasing towards the Buffalo. I texted a buddy that's still playing. And he actually asked me who was best saying in the text about who he heard might get the job. And I mentioned it. And then I was like, I mentioned maybe torts and people have been saying that and the guy said, we need torts back in this league. So I kind of found that interesting. You guys never played for him, but that cracked me up. And I should have mentioned also this is off of Buffalo when we were talking Pittsburgh. Biz, I know you're into investment. You're beginning to real estate. How's the ROI, which is return on investment for spending 900 million dollars on the penguins five years ago and selling them for 1.8 billion. I was shocked at that. That is the lift that they made, but a really intelligent time to buy. And then you look at where franchise values are at where I think that the NHL's not budging on their price of two billion to start a new team, like a new franchise. So what a what a fucking job by then to turn things around. It was a little shaky there at the beginning. Heard there was there was rumblings that they weren't paying Mario all that he was deserved off the hop. Like I was hearing some pretty weird shit that was going on, but it was nice to see that they've completely right the ship. They've done right by everybody. They've got the good people in place that are there now. They're winning some games blowing some definitely blowing some leads. But all things are systems go there on for the sale of of 1.7 billion dollars. So wow. Unbelievable. The heart moved to smart move to sell it now too. Cause I mean, realistically, what if you get five more years of said like you saw how it was after Mario when Mario was going to leave, like it kind of went down a little bit. So it's great move by selling it and getting that ROI. I agree. I don't think that there's I don't think there's going to be as big of a nut moving forward on these franchises. I think that too much has to go involved in real estate plays in order to develop the whole rink out. You got to do all the condos around it. So I don't know how many more opportunities there are to squeeze that type of lift off these teams. So good for them. Good for them to do that. Yeah, it's a rich get richer. Yeah, David, David Hoffman, the Hoffman family. So yeah, I wonder then all of a sudden though, you look at like everyone's contracts there like like Dubas, like it's not it's not the owner that hired you, right? Like that's that's a little bit similar to Kekelein and saying everyone's under the microscope new owner can bring in whoever the hell he wants. But I think you talked to penguins fans right now they're pretty happy with Dubas. They loved they loved what they got back and and get rid of. Yeah, it's in the car and game. Yeah, exactly. What's not to love? Exactly. So the big trade from Minnesota to Vancouver with Quinn Hughes going to many and Zeeb Buoyem and old grand and all the pieces going back to Van so far Minnesota the power play with with with Hughes is a joke. I saw the Kachak brothers their podcast and they were just calling him the best sifter. He had the best sifter in the league. People don't know that's just like you don't need a cannon literally get your shot about 18 to 24 inches off the ice past the first guy and then it's a straight up dream scenario for the guy in front because it's not going that fast and it's coming in at the perfect height to tip and that's what Brady said Quinn Hughes is the master of that and obviously McCars so good at that too. It's always a snapshot. But in what Zeeb Buoyem looked like against New Jersey. 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First off, um, you know, like congratulations on that first game. Dominion out there. Pretty sick to get a point that quick. But take us through the reaction, right? I know you were driving to go watch Denver play and and give us the breakdown of kind of the call with Billy G and your thoughts after. Yeah, it was crazy. Obviously, um, you know, a little bit of a surprise. And, um, I won Billy called me actually originally. I thought he was sending me down. Is that it? I mean, you talked to Billy in a while and then he was like, hey, I got bad news and like no trade or anything had ever gotten like that wasn't going through my head. I was like, oh, God, I'm about to get sent down. But, uh, yeah, no, I mean, obviously, um, you know, a tough phone call and, um, I mean, I think, you know, when you get, when you get drafted and and everything, you know, you think you're going to be in that place forever and, um, you buy into everything in the culture and, um, you know, wanting to win there and, um, you know, kind of got to see the business side of it pretty quickly. So, um, it was obviously crazy and, you know, didn't really know how to feel at first with just, um, you know, with all the news. But, um, very, you know, excited for the opportunity to hear with the Kanox and, um, you know, I think there's, you know, there's opportunity for me and, um, you know, it's going to be kind of cool to see this team grow and, obviously, um, you know, really thankful for for everything. Minnesota, I know it was a short period of time, but, um, you know, kind of kickstarted my NHL career and, um, yeah, I mean, I couldn't be more thankful for Billy and everybody there. I think, you know, like I said, a short period of time at friends for a lifetime. Um, and, you know, like I said, I couldn't thank Billy enough for everything. How long does a, like a phone call like that take? Like, are you able to share with what he said? And, I guess, just got to be so hard. You're, you're such a stud that he drafted and he was probably so excited about it. You know, I don't think I'll share it all, but I think, um, you know, I think he, he was very honest and, um, you know, told me it was a, it's a hard call to make and I mean, yeah, I think we both, like he, he was so great to me through everything, not just hockey-wise, but off days, he's great to my family and, um, you know, like I said, he was just, he was just unbelievable to, to me throughout the entire time and, um, I, I, I, I, I understood right away, though, you know, I'm like, it's Quinn Hughes, you know, it's like, you got to take a chance on this guy. They want to win now. They, you know, they have a vision and, um, I respect it, you know, like there's no, I'm not like sitting here all like powder or anything. Like it's, it's, you know, it's a business at the end of the day and, um, you have to do what, what you feel is best for the team. And, um, I guess, you know, I feel like I'm understanding of that for sure. Zeeva, first off, happy Hanukkah. Hope you're, uh, enjoying the first couple days of it, but it, it, going back to the, the trade too, like for you going to Vancouver, like now you're the guy, right? Like in, in Minnesota, your young favorites been there a little bit. Uh, you're not playing, you know, top power, playing stuff like that. Then you go to a team where you're going to be the guy there for a long time and you get traded for one of the best offense men in the game. So even mentally, for you, like, that must have been like, okay, this team really wants me. They got rid of one of these guys. Like, I'm going to go there. I got a little bit of a chip on my shoulder. And I'm going to go there and show what I have and, and bring your game to Vancouver. Yeah. Uh, for sure. I mean, I think, um, you know, you kind of set up as like, uh, you know, you don't want necessarily wanting to get traded, but I think we get traded for guy like Quentin, you're the only D in it. It's like, um, you know, you kind of look at the bigger picture of it, going, okay, maybe, you know, I can come here and be that guy and, um, you know, bring that, bring that element to it. And, you know, I believe in myself, I'm confident myself that I can be that and, um, you know, work toward that. But, um, yeah, I mean, I think that's, that's the cool part is is kind of like, like you said, I mean, Minnesota, you have so many great, and Brody, and Spurgeon, you know, favorite, it's like, they're, they're so good. And it's like, there wasn't really much room for me to like, do the things I want to do necessarily. I think, you know, not playing those big minutes, you know, getting taken off the power play here and there. It's like, there's a lot, you know, that I think that, um, like I said, I think it's just different too. Like Minnesota is very veteran team. Like when now there's not a lot of little detail things that, uh, you know, you might be going like, like even here with, with Vancouver is a lot of, you know, we're such a young team. So it's like, there's so many little things that we go over as a team and as a group of young guys, and it's like, you know, we weren't doing those things in Minnesota just because it's like, I said, it's a veteran team and these guys had been through it already. So, um, I think it's, it's like I said, it's a great opportunity for me. Um, very excited. I know, I mean, we were in Vancouver a couple of weeks ago, and it's beautiful cities. So, um, you know, like I said, it's not easy, it's not, you know, it's a little bit of a whirlwind, but, um, the guys you're being great too. So I'm just excited. Biz, when you asked him, uh, how long the conversation was when, when I got traded by the, the biggest man in hockey, Bob Murray from Z from Anaheim Edmonton, he called me, I go, hello, he goes, Hey, Ryan, it's Bob Murray. I traded you. I go, where he goes Edmonton. I go, bye, any, any hung up. It was legitimately seven seconds. I don't think it was like, Billy G telling you, dude, you're going to be one of the best defensemen in the league. We had to do this. But, uh, Steve, one thing about, like, and I was traded twice. Um, and you're, you know, the shock and like, maybe the disappointment. But then after the first game, it's like, it's kind of like over with. And for you, you played so well by the time you're showering up and getting dressed in Jersey, like, you must have been like, all right, like, I'm, I fucking played a ton. I played well, like, right away, it's pretty quick for how excited you are for the next spot, right? Yeah, 100%. I think I mean, it makes it easier that the game went well, obviously, I'm a little bit of a lucky balance on my goal, but, um, they all come. Yeah, they don't, they don't ask, I'll ask no matter. You don't need Kanox Twitter getting on your early Jesus Christ. Yeah, but it's, it's good. I mean, I think yeah, for sure, after the first game, it was nice, so it's kind of get that under and even last game, getting another win. It's like, it's nice. So, I mean, it's been, it's been easy, you know, transition. I mean, I think, you know, for me, the way I look at it is like, you know, Billy, again, Billy had to do what he had to do. And, for me, it's, it's looking forward and, you know, focusing on this opportunity and, you know, just, just, just really appreciating that, you know, I get to be here and do this and, you know, try to become, you know, part of this, this rebuild. Zeeve, I think the first time we talked to you was just after you'd been drafted. And, and we knew you're going to be a special player just from talking to you and, and how obsessed you are with the game and, and how much you're going to put into it. Now, one of the things I noticed, and I read was when you moved on, you took the number 24 to show respect to Bogosian, who was probably your mentor while you were in Minnesota. Maybe just talk about that. You talked about the veteran group, like, talk about what they meant to you and what, I guess they instilled and taught you early in your NHL career, only playing like 30 games. Yeah, they were phenomenal. I mean, it's such a great group of there. Like, they're, they're seriously one of, kind of, I think you hear that a lot about like Minnesota is like their, their culture and the veteran group and, and how great they are. And they really are like, even from the playoffs last year, like, you just come in, you can be yourself and they don't care, you know, that you're 19 years old or 20 years old, like, they just want you to be a part of it. And, um, I mean, it's just amazing. Like, every single guy that, you know, wants to be your best friend, they want to help you in any way possible. I think, you know, with Bogo, me and Bogo got really, really close, I think, through that time. I mean, he's, he's one of a kind. He's such a special human. He's just a fun guy. Like, he's such like a, you know, he's, was he 35, 36, he's played, you know, I was telling my dad that he played for, you know, Atlanta when he first came, my dad was baffled that he played for a team that's not even a team anymore. Um, so like, it's just, it's crazy how long he's been the league and, um, you know, what he's been able to do. And you see why, you know, he has so much respect generally just through guys, just because of the person he is. And, um, I mean, he took me under his wing, you know, always inviting me to his house for dinner and, uh, just never treat me like, you know, I'm this young guy that needs to figure it out. It's like, just, just treated me as one of the guys and, um, you know, wanted me to be a part of it and wanted, not, not miss out on anything, because I think, you know, he knows that at the end of the day, you'll remember the stories and in the good times and the laughs, uh, you know, over any, any hockey games unless you really went to the cup. So it's like, um, you know, I really appreciate him for all that, but then you also have, you know, like, bowls and faves and, um, you know, like, heart man, like, you have so many of these guys and Filippino and Spurgeon, like, it's just such a, it's like such a great group. And I think that was the hardest part when Billy called me was like, you know, I think that, like, that was the hardest thing to kind of reflect on. I was like, God, like, when I missed those guys, you know, I know it was quick, but it's like the fact that it was that quick and you get that close with those guys, it's like, um, you know, it hurts, but, uh, like I said, I mean, I think, you know, those guys, I'll, I'll be friends with forever and, um, yeah, I mean, just, just really lucky to, to be able to meet all of them and play with them and, um, you know, get to, to call them friends for life. I've read that, um, the media was asking Connor Garland about you, uh, and he was just raving, like, going back to worlds. I got a kick out of, uh, he said at worlds that, that before the gold medal game, you're like, yeah, we'll win. And I guess, and, and he kind of described it like, yeah, he's won under 17 under 18 two world juniors national championship. Like, he literally is one everything I've never won anything. And, and, and apparently I think your dad was also saying, like, yeah, they'll win. Like, that's pretty sick. You were that confident. Going into that game. Yeah. I don't know. I think I saw it too. I don't know if I was arrogance that saying, no, I got a phone. No, it sounds, it sounds, if you read it, it does, but knowing you, I, I, I think we all know it didn't mean it like that. It was, you know, talking to existence, right, Zeef? Yeah. Manifesting. Yeah. I believe in it. I believe. I think if you, I, I, I've always had this, you know, like, believe about like, if you genuinely believe it can happen, it will happen. And, you know, you can't be delusional. Like, if you're, you know, whatever, but like, I've always just believed like, if you, if you have the team, you have a group to do it and, and you believe in it, it'll happen. I think like that's, that's what it comes down to is, is having that belief. And, you know, like, I was fortunate, especially at Worlds. Like, I just, we had, you know, smitty too. Like, we just, we had gone through through all these, IHF tournaments and everything. We just, we would win. It would just happen. Right. And so like, we genuinely just were like, we're going to win. Me and, Smitty were joking around. We're like, Billy needs to take us in the Olympic to you so we can win. Yeah. These holes ain't loyal. How sick is it though? You get to go over and get coached by Adam Flette. Like, he was fucking a machine back in the day, top tier defenseman. So like, what's your communication been with like him early on? And, and just how cool is it the fact that he's your head coach? It's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I think you, and you said it like he had such an amazing career. And he just has so much, I actually got to work with him when I was really young. I was like 13 and, and he just, he, it's time is so many little things that actually, you know, have stuck with me through, you know, up until this point. And, I actually worked with him again before my freshman year at Denver. And so I have known him for, for quite some time now. And it's just, it's really cool to be able to be coached by him. And just like his demeanor and how he goes about things. And, you know, he wants his best routine, but also it's best for you. And he wants to teach you and, you know, help you understand the game. It's like these little details that I feel like as I had coach, you might not always be sharing with your team, but he does. You know, he wants everyone to play with these little details and have these things. Doesn't matter if you're, you know, a guy who's playing league for 10 years or if it's your first year. So I think that's, that's pretty cool. And for me, I think that's perfect. Because, you know, I want, I want to become, you know, that two-way. I don't want to just be an offensive guy or, you know, one-in-way, you know, defenseman. It's like you want to be out there, not just last minute offensively, but defensively. And, you know, I think he, he, you know, will help me a ton with that and, you know, get me there. Who's kind of, I know it's been a couple days since you've been there, but who's kind of that one guy that you didn't realize had the, you know, the gift that he has on the ice? You know, I remember being traded and a guy like Derek stopped on who I know worked with you in Minnesota. He was kind of one of those guys when I first got there. When I went to New York, I was like, this guy's hockey IQ is off the charts. Like just little things that blow you a, is anyone done that to you yet? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I think, I think Garland was actually somebody, you know, at Worlds that I just didn't know was that good. And even just last two games and practice here, like he just does little things that are, you know, that are pretty, pretty like, you just never noticed if you didn't play with them. And I think someone else is like, heroic. Like, I just didn't realize how much of a tank he was. Like, this guy's a horse. Cannon too. He's got a bomb. He's got a, I was where I was asking him out to take a one timer because I was like, how do you shoot the box? I saw that video. Yeah, I, well, I was like, I got to work on it. So I'm like, asking him like, what, you know, what is he doing? So last, you know, call practice as we've been working on after, but it's like, it's just, it's not even that, but it's like, even in the games, like, he'll just, he's just a horse. Like, I mean, I think the one in New Jersey, he was out there last like five minutes of the game. I don't think he changed just a beast. It's like, I'd even like, it's like, you don't even, like, he, it was like, like, FAMES was like that too. Like, he's just like a horse. Like, these guys can just like, and it's not like they get tired either. It's like, they just work and work and work. And it's like, they look like they never get tired. I was able to go to the, to the frozen floor and watch you win a national championship. And it was G and, and, uh, Yanns and Witt who were raving about you before I'd even seen you play live. And you were so dominant, you end up going to, at the end of last year in a Minnesota to get your playoff experience. And then you get to start this year, what's been like the hardest part about adapting to the NHL? Like, obviously, it's, you know, it's, it's a difficult league and you can't maybe dominate like you did in college, stepping in. But what are the things you've taken away early on that you're like, whoa? Yeah. I mean, I think last year in the playoffs, um, I mean, you just see the difference in like, like, it was, it was crazy. Like, these, everything is so, to me, it was like, everything's so tight. Like, no one messes up. Everybody's in my position. Everybody, you know, it is great with their sticks. Like, it's so hard to find space. Um, and I think that was like the biggest thing. And then also like, this was, this was great. Like, I didn't even, like, I feel like when you get hemmed in in college or something or like, you, you know, you're tired or you have a long shift and, and you know, guys are doubling up. Like, you can kind of get away with like, oh, we'll be fine. You know, like, now it's you get hemmed in. Like, you're so fuck it. It's the worst thing ever. Yeah. We iced the puck one time in Chicago. And I was stuck in the D zone, which I would never put on for D zone draws from my Dave Tippett. And then they throw over a cane and tapes. Oh, buddy. They put like, this is out there. Go. I was on too many men on the ice. I was on the ice to the bench. Like it was fucking like I had six platoons out there trying to fucking murder. I heard him yelling too many men, too many men. I'm like, no, bizz, they have five. We have five. It's just they're better than you. I had fucking flares. I was taking a flare or shooting flares on the ice. I got a shout out, uh, rollback last question, not necessarily the last question, but right now, use code chicklets on rollback.com for a generous 20% off your first purchase through the end of the week. CHIC L E T S on R H O B A C K dot com 20% off polo short swim trunks and more with code chicklets. I think come 2030. Um, you're going to be playing in the Olympics, but it's nice. I remember, uh, a nice trip with a bunch of days off. Did you have something planned with the mini boys? Will you still do that? Like what, what, what was your plan for a Olympic break? Usually like there was a group. I think obviously bolts and faves are usually in that group. So it's like, um, you know, they weren't there obviously going to be the Olympics. So, um, but yeah, I mean, there was little talks. I mean, there wasn't really anything set or figured out. Oh, that's good, then. Yeah, that was a good part. I mean, if anything, probably a bowl, a couple other guys, but, um, yeah, I don't know. I don't really have anything planned. I mean, just just chill. Take some time off for sure. Can I give you some advice? Careful going on vacation. Yeah. Be careful here. Don't go to Kabul and don't trust a little Mexicans on the beach when they say you want to fly to the moon because you're not actually going to fly to the moon. It's not like Bezos on his little ship there. You're going to be parry. You're going to be projectile vomiting in your hotel room and staying a day later than you have to because the XC they gave you wasn't XC. So that was just very experienced. You're just good advice. Oh, yeah. That's a great advice right there. That's what Adam foot was hoping business would tell you. Yeah. Well, he's teaching him probably had a stick guys in the nuts in front of the net so they don't go to the blue paint. Like, what are some of these little details of the game? He's teaching you to put in a guy in the fucking ribs if you come here as goalie. Yeah, pretty much. But it's a lot like, like, you used to, I remember when I was 13, it was time you like, you got to be like a cat. Like, you got to be like a cat out there. Like, you always got to be like on your toes in position, you know, kind of ready to pound something and like, he's big on like stunts. Like, you know, like, when a guy go past it, like give him like a shot, you know, like, doesn't matter where you are. Like, especially in the easel, like, if guy makes a pass or whatever it is, like getting in front of him, give him a shot, like, you know, let him know you're there early and you know, it's hard to do. Like, there's so many times in a game where, you know, I can, you know, you can easily give someone a shot, but it's like, you might forget or you're, you know, tired or whatever it is. But it's like doing these little things just set you up for success, like, later on in your shift or, you know, you might, you know, you might stunt the guy or whatever, and then all of a sudden, next thing you know, you know, the puck's coming toward you and because you got in front of him early, now you can get it instead of him. Like, it's like, just little things. I mean, obviously been only a couple of days, but like I said, just a lot of knowledge and so much that, you know, especially he was, you know, a defenseman. So it's like, there's so many little things you can learn from him, you know, in that sense where, you know, he might not be able to teach the four is the same thing you can teach the deep. Have you had any guys like Brad Marshall or anybody chirp you? Like, has anybody laid into you yet where you're skating with your tail between your legs going to the bench? Not yet. Not going to win, not yet. Okay. Guys are actually a lot nicer than than I thought. Like, there's a lot of like conversation happens on the ice that I like, it's just like, oh yeah. Tommy sticks? Yeah, like Tommy sticks a little bit. Yeah. Okay. Good to know. That's what I lived for. Yeah. There's a lot of it. And I was shocked. I was like, it was not expected to be like, but I've also like, when I was like in many like, like if if someone, you know, got in my face, like, Bulgo would just step in front of him when they'd skate away. The sheriff. I always like, I always joke with Bulgo's, hey, I could take him. Yeah. There you go. I had a coach. I can't remember you speak. You cut and fucking deals out there. You cut and deals. I'm like, yeah, I fucking right. I'm cutting deals out there. I'm trying to tip would get mad if you were playing Tommy sticks pregame. I had a lot of coaches. Like, I would, I learned that pretty early in my career. Like, don't be fucking tromboned up with guys at face offs and stuff, especially for how my game was too. Yeah. And you were in a bit of a different bracket when you're like the offensive guy. Like you could be playing that you and Hazy were basically jerking each other off of the face off draws when you guys were planning on each other. Hey, yeah, it's crazy that you would only be a junior and it's wild. How's Denver doing? And we actually just interviewed guy Gwodowski, the coach at Penn State. He brought up this pole camp that demand pole camp. Pretty nice player, huh? But how the boys doing? Like you must stay in touch with all those guys. Yeah, I do. They're doing good. I mean, I always say like Denver's it's the same every year. Like everyone always thinks we're not going to be good. We're not going to have a good team. And then we end up making the frozen for it. It happens every year. Like everyone turns around and then it happens. Yeah. And I always say like when when when you get to be like when you get to be coached by David Carle, like you always have a chance to win. Like that guy, he's a special coach. So it's like, I mean, pole camp, it's awesome. I mean, he's he is that guy is he is such a fun like he's a clown. Like really nice player, though, huh? Yeah, oh my he's shot is like a million miles an hour. Okay. Why didn't you ask him how to do it and wait for her on it? Jesus should have asked us the freshman last year. Because pole camp isn't always do it. He's just so strong. It just rips it. Just a mutant. I want to know who so far have you noticed who's the clown jester, the jester in the locker room in Vancouver? Who's making you laugh the most? Who's doing the helicopter cocks get the boys fired up in the locker room? Like who's the guy? I mean, canners pretty funny. Let's see Sam driving in in Bentley's is good. He's funny. I mean, Garland's obviously really funny too. I don't think I've been here like long enough to to kind of to know for sure, but I mean, canners always saying something. Do you even have a roommate? Or is there not enough young guys? No, we don't we don't we don't we have a bunch of young guys. We don't have a roommate. No, what's the story with the yo-yo on that group chat? What's that bug? We, uh, my birthday was in Seattle. And, uh, I'm like, you know what would be sick? Like if we if we like if there was like a magic store and we're like walking around Seattle and my god, boat, I've never met anyone who hates a city more than Bogo. He hates Seattle. It's a depressing city. Look at look at him. He's like a sheer. If he could take a if he could take a shit on the city, what everyone else does it there anyways. Oh my god. But anyway, we're walking around. There's and Bogo's a holy shit. There's a magic store and I was there. We walk in there and I was like, I got to get something and there was a like this little shit yo-yo and then Bogo's, oh yeah, I used to play a little or you say I used to mess around with the yo-yo. He starts doing all these crazy tricks. I'm like, what is this guy not there? So then he ordered like these like super like bougie nice yo-yos and I don't know if he sent you a photo but he came with he got him and he came with a glove. It was like we were like yeah, we were like five yo-yos for some of the boys. You better send you one. Yeah. All right buddy. Good luck. You're the man. Sounds good. Yeah. Thank you very much to Zee Boo-Yam Special Player. Great kid. But guys, we got to talk about this Monday. It is Prime Monday Night Hockey. Vancouver Connux first the Philadelphia Flyers Monday, December 22nd at 730 Eastern. Our listeners in Canada can watch Monday Night's Game on Prime Video. If you're already a Prime member, you're all set. If not, sign up for a free trial at PrimeVideo.com. Prime Monday Night Hockey. It's on Monday. It's on Prime. Prime Monday Night Hockey is available free to Prime members in Canada. Start your free trial. www.PrimeVideo.com for the full Prime Monday Night Hockey schedule. Visit www.PrimeVideo.com backslash, S-A-L-P backslash, NHL. So the Flyers Zee Gris is money. He's been phenomenal. They got a big win in Montreal earlier this week. Fowler started. He had a tough giveaway behind the net. They won that game on the road. Now they got Vancouver and Zee Boo-Yam. That's exciting. Now Vancouver to watch them. It's a see how much he's going to play. I'm very excited for that. But the Flyers have surprised me. They really have. I thought they were a bottom five team in the league. And what is talked on the fighting Rick talk. It's unbelievable. And the fact he gets to play against his old team on Primetime Amazon Hockey. Baby, that's awesome. You know, a lot of good memories there. One is first Jack Adams. He's a fucking Hall of Famer. You got to put him in the Hall of Fame for the full body of work. But yeah, yeah, it just said to watch Zee Boo-Yam and see how he progresses and continues to help this young connect team along. And like you said, man, I think that the Flyers as they continue like their top three biggest surprises in the league this year. I would say throw the Islanders in the mix, throw the Flyers in the mix. And who else would be your other other team? Would you say? Bruins, maybe. Bruins. Bruins. Bruins. So. But we honestly, you didn't like people didn't expect it. But us knowing talk in the way that he is and the way that he bleeds that black and orange like you could you knew they were going to have a good turn around. You knew the guys were going to buy into whatever he says because at the end of the day, the guy did it at an incredible level for so many years with that jersey on and his word there goes a long way. Oh, buddy. Then it's not only bringing the nostalgia back from the old days, but yeah, there's no fucking around. There's no we talked earlier about the or actually the interviews coming up because we had to pre-record it, but the gray area like we talked about with with hitch. There ain't no fucking gray area with talking. No, he's he's in he's imposing those defensive systems. You're going to check. You're going to play with pace. And it's awesome to see what he's done with Zegress, man. I'm happy for that kid. I know we're going to get him on in the next couple weeks. I think we've we've put the request in, but there are some dark days for him going from that contract negotiations and not playing much to not getting along with his coach. Oh, Nanheim, the one who had the high blood pressure who they got rid of, but it's it's great to see what he's doing now. Yeah, over a point per game. And she said, Hey, I'm talking on flyers. Who do you want to interview? I said, well, I said, Jonesy, I said, we got a chat with Zegress. We haven't seen him in forever. And then Coturriet, Connect me and then Dolore, he'd be fun to interview, I think. So, yeah, hopefully we got some flyers content coming up soon. But another guy that's doing well in the state of Pennsylvania is the head coach of the Penn State hockey team, Gavin McKenna's team guy, Gerdowski guys, real quick, before we send it over to guy Gerdowski, we do have a little announcement we got to make. We are going to be at the Penn State Michigan State outdoor game at Beaver Stadium at the end of January. So very excited. We have a ton of stuff planned. I think we're planning a potential little party. We're going to be doing some big interviews. But most importantly, we're going to be at the outdoor game. So very excited. But we can send it away to coach Gerdowski. This episode of Spit and Shikles is brought to you by No Bull. No Bull is a footwear brand for training and for daily life, built to support you in your pursuit of physical, mental and emotional strength. No Bulls celebrate a no Bull shit approach to wellness. 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Did you take your teeth out for that one as well for the game? You know what? Whenever John says that I can take him out, I do because I sound I list with the men. So this is the one he said it's been trickless. This is the one you definitely can take off. That's true. You know, you know, you know, your big time when you have a teeth guy as an assistant tells you when you does he hold it? Does he hold the flipper? He will now. Why haven't you gotten the permanent sin just because in practice, you might catch one. Nah, because when it happened three of them got compromised two or finally out one was out for a while. The other fell out years later and there's still one. So when that one's gone, then I'll do it. I feel like that helps in recruiting though. Like you meet a big time recruit. It's like, hey, look at me, buddy. I'm a hockey guy. That depends on the recruit, but yeah, good work. It's a tough one that the parents cook at Cornelacob though when you're over there recruiting. You're like, oh, shit, we're we're really in one now, but I would imagine it's pretty good during maybe meetings with the players, maybe not enough back checks going on to take them out and you really lay into them and all of a sudden they're they pucker up and they're like, we better listen to this guy. Maybe, but not great for team dinner is either for your first point. But that's awesome. So give us the rundown so far of this season. I want to go back into like the program beginning. And I think it's 12, 13 years at this point and what you've built is special. And I think being at a place like Penn State with that many students and that many alumni and the rink you have, it was a no brainer at some point you guys are going to become very good. But so far this year, what do you think? Because big expectations coming into this year. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun specifically because we went to the frozen for last year. So this was a really an exciting year for everybody in Penn State. And when you said, yeah, like it was, I'm along for the ride. Believe me, like this Penn State thing is a little different when it comes to support and resources and the alumni getting behind you. So from day one, you know, Mr. Pagula, he was, I mean, it's so we're here because of him. He was the one that donated the money and really was the catalyst for us going to one. And whatever since it happened, like what is it 14 years ago now, I mean, just every Penn State has been so supportive and are, like the student body is so supportive and so awesome. So it's been a blast. And last year, when we finally made the frozen for, you know, there's so many people that I'm so happy for. Because so many people work so hard to get it to this point. And then, yeah, you make the frozen for a couple of other good things happen in terms of recruiting in the summer and here we are. So this year, you know what, it's been interesting because we really haven't had to manage a buzz and distractions as we did this year. And so that's been an education for me, but the best teacher for that has actually been Gavin. He's been dealing with that since he's been very young and the way he handles himself is just, I think it's a great example for all of us. Is it a little overwhelming? Maybe the media coverage just given the fact that he's joined the program. Like how, how have you guys balanced that or maybe there was the initial reaction and it's been pretty normal since then? I mean, I wouldn't say it's overwhelming because I think that's a situation that everybody wants to be in and this is Penn State. They're so successful and so many other things that I think you come to Penn State hoping that you'll get that buzz, right? So it's not overwhelming, but it, it is a bit of a distraction. A lot extra time that you don't necessarily anticipate, but like I said, Gavin, he just handles everything so well and so chill that that, you know, once we understood, once we learned from him how to do things, it's been all right. Just going back to the, you know, the support that you get. I know one of my good friends, Frank Marzano, he's a big, uh, he's the guy. They were saying that. I was one of his, yeah, they're like, you know, they're trying to, they're trying to change Jans's burst certificate and bring them back to play there. I know what you guys got going on. No, but he literally, he called me when you guys, when they opened up the doors from the CHL that, and he's like, who's a good young player and talking, you know, obviously, G helped me out with some names and stuff, but just the alumni, can you talk about the alumni there and what they, what they provide for you guys and obviously Mr. Pagula and my second question to that is has Mr. Pagula asked you to coach the Sabers yet? Well, I'm all second on first. That's that answer is no, but Mr. Pagula has been extremely supportive of our program, obviously, he's been tremendous. He's been everything. When you talk about the alumni, I mean, you, you almost have to experience it because certainly when the announcement was made, the Penn State was going to be one and and you sort of look at just how, how, what's Penn State like? You go to, you see football games wrestling, you name it and it's unbelievable, but you have to be in it to feel it. I mean, the supporters, the alumni here are absolutely the best, the absolute best. The most supportive, they just, they love everything Penn State. They're very helpful. I tell you what, they've just been amazing and and and that's been one of the most gratifying, I guess, parts about this experience is just the support of the alumni and the student body. There's been off the charts. Given Pagula's intensity and love for for that hockey team yours, do you, would you consider the sabers maybe his like side check at this point is maybe that's why no, I would not, no, I would not. Okay. All right. That's just maybe the way it looks right now anyway. Maybe you guys are getting a little too much attention and you need to, yeah, no, no comment. I knew that was a no comment. Smart man. He's made it. I don't play with it. I know, guys media train. Let's get them off. But, but yeah, it's, I got a question like as a coach, right? You got 23 25 guys, whatever the roster is and you're trying to take care of everyone. You're trying to build a culture. You're trying to create every year's a new story and call a chalky, but it's different this year, right? It's this generational talent and it's a kid that's coming in and McCannan that there's so many expectations and all of a sudden, and I won't say that I'm not guilty of it. It's like, all right, he's not putting up two and a half points per game and then the noise started and there's draft rankings. How do you deal with him and maybe grab him or talk to him if you even do it all about like trying to block out the noise a little bit, considering it's your draft year and all these expectations you had. Yeah. So, so first of all, regarding the expectations and and college hockey right now, this is a, this is a unique year in college hockey because every other year up to this year, you look at the freshman that are coming into college hockey. There's guys that played high school hockey, a lot of guys play prep school hockey and then the rest played tier two. And then this year, you have guys that have been playing four years in major junior that have been drafted. You have guys playing in Canadian University. You have guys that have actually played in the American hockey league that are coming in old freshman, right? So, so this is by far the most experienced mature college hockey year that's ever been. So, number one, you got to say that and Gavin is 17. But when you talk about, you know, the expectations, the buzz, honestly, he has been such a good example of how to deal with it. You asked how we deal with it. We watched him because I mean, it was new to us and we're trying to like figure out and navigate and he comes in and the way he handles things, he controls, but he controls. He's very chill. He's extremely, he's very much the team like he's not, he's very much comfortable with the team and about the team. He's not really comfortable about himself and and he's just really chill and he handles it really well. So, I think it's like I said, it's been a big help to all of us. Did you always know that you were going to be a coach eventually because you played at Colorado College for my understanding? Did you know after you played that you were going to hop into coaching? Was it always in you? I mean, my whole family or teachers, so I think that's sort of where it came from and I just loved hockey. I just wanted to be a part of hockey so badly. And so, you know, when it became a parent that my career was winding down, I like I wanted to be a coach. So, I did all the, you know, certificates and coaching clinics and everything else to try to get into it. And I did his first coach. I was a player assistant for Roy Samurai in the East Coast league to start and and then in the West Coast league, same thing and then I had coach and went on. But it was something, yeah, I just want to be a part of hockey. If I'm in hockey, then I don't consider I'm going to work. And also like how has it been for you evolving as a coach because we talk constantly about how you have to talk to these players nowadays and even like Rick talk and a guy who was so hardcore as a player and maybe the way that he had keen and but he talked about in Vancouver how he has to massage these relationships constantly and make sure each guy is getting attention. So, have you felt that you've had to do that throughout the years and how you've progressed as a coach? Yeah, sure. There's a difference in how, you know, every generation is a little bit different. So, yeah, you have to adjust your communication for sure. But I think it's good. I think it makes us learn. It makes you don't get stale, but at the same time, you know, you're successful because of your stripes. So, as long as you don't, you lose your stripes, I think you adjust to how you communicate and you want it, you know, sometimes it's different how you get through to every player is different. So, you're always trying to evolve and trying to find ways to be more effective. And it's the same thing as you do with individual players is the same thing with, I guess, generations. So, yeah, we're learning. We always learning. I hope so. Makes you better. And that must help you too. I mean, your son's on the team. So, you know what the kids his age are, you know, at least going through and a lot different than the way that we came into the game. And I'm sure the way Whit came into college, like the times have definitely changed. And I'm sure he's been able to help you with that. Well, not really. We sort of have a, like, not really. We sort of have a deal that like hockey's hockey and he's just, he's just a player. And then, and then home is home and he's not a player. That's sort of the deal we have. And actually, he hasn't come home that much. My wife's a little disappointed. So, I probably have spoken to him less. This year than I did even last year when he wasn't on the team because at least I'd call and ask him what's going on. But we don't, we don't really talk team. So, I look through like your stats as a player, your hockey DB. And there was games in 93 94 you played for the Canadian national team. Now, that was the team I believe that was preparing and getting ready for the Olympics in 94. It was Canada who was playing Forrestburg when he pulled that legendary move that ended up on a stamp. So, were you in the running to play for that Olympic team? Like, how did that work out? Yeah, I got cut before the, before the Olympics. I got cut. And then to like, when biz asked about coaching, I got cut and I went home. I'm like, that's it. I'm done. Like, I don't need this anymore. And I went home and I, you know, I went on job interviews and I interviewed like cops and firemen and lawyers and I got offered a couple jobs. And I was sitting there thinking about what I, you know, one job I had a deadline. I had to give them an answer Monday morning. So, I remember Sunday night, like, am I going to do this or not? And I thought a lot about it. And I was like, man, I need hockey. Like, I just need hockey. So that was probably the time where I decided, man, I got to get back hockey. So I, so I, I scrapped the job hunting and went back to, to play in hockey. That's what happened. I'm sticking with the international theme here. Something really cool that's happening for the first time and G brought it up. My understanding is you're going to be coaching a team that's going over to the Spangler Cup, which is a combination of all the top US, is it US-born college players? No, it's just all it's everybody. So Canadians, US, Europeans, yeah, it's a college select team. Is it under 20? Is it no under 20 kids though? Or is it anyone who's not world juniors basically? Correct. Anybody who's not world juniors. So we could take sophomores, except we're trying to stay away from the freshmen because and a lot of those guys are going to be world junior selects. But anybody else, yeah, regardless of the country of origin. So what do you, what do you think about this and what an opportunity for you to go over there and I mean the building over there is iconic. So it's going to be done yet. No, the one in Davos is. No, it's kidding. I was kidding. Yeah, that's a humor. Yeah, be careful, buddy. He gets me every day. Well, I'm pumped about it, like not not personally, but for college hockey because look, like college hockey, this is great opportunity for college hockey in Europe and Canada. I mean, it's on on TV all over. I think more than 20 countries and obviously in Canada, we've been, we've good Canadians grow up watching it during Christmas. So it's very cool. But I think it's a great opportunity to show how good college hockey is. I don't know what to expect. I mean, I know this is the first time this is happening. So we no one really knows what to expect, which makes it sort of even more cool. Obviously, there's a lot of pros that are that are extremely experienced. We're going to be a little different team, but it doesn't mean we can't just go, my members is going to go, man, we're just going to go. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. And it's good for a lot of these guys. It's good exposure for them too. So guy, one of my all-time favorite movies is Blue Chips and just it just makes me think about the recruiting process for you. I just was wondering if you had any like cool stories where families, you know, breaking down or a horrible story where something crazy went wrong. Yeah, and once it all how many double-wides you've bought. Well, now they can. I'm not going to give you any, like I can, I'm not going to give you a bad story. That's for sure. I think that when it comes to recruiting, look, man, like it's, you got to sell what you have. And there's a lot of different ways to do that. And then when you bring people in, there's some families that are going to be absolutely blown away by tailgating at football. And there's going to be families that are blown away here at Pagulay Serena or the weight room we have. And you just sort of have to find the niche. I think for us, we're a real competitive program and like to compete at different things like Ping Pong, you name it. I think Gavin. Oh, there's number one. Well, he is now. That pisses me off, though. I'm with the John Podlet at the bad time. I beat him. Yeah, he had, I had a bad week. He had a good week. Some guys get it all, eh? Yeah, that's unreal. I know. I know. So that's like that's a pyramid where you got to beat. You can only play who's above you, right? You can challenge anybody on the board. And if you win, you, you, you switch spots. If you lose, you move down and below that is the minor. So everybody's either in the minors or in the top 10, but you're going to do, you're going to beg skate Gavin. You got a bag skate on one day and then call him on be like, we're playing right now. You know what? Exactly. Cause he does the same thing. He'll be like, he'll be playing, he'll be all relaxed. He'll be practicing. And then I'll be running around. He's like, Hey, challenge. We got to play now. That's his deal. So I got to be a better GM when it comes to that. I think you're right. What kind of player were you? A hockey player. Yeah. Not a very good one. Well, Bob Stoffer stepped me the stats, midget AA. I think you're six in the leading scoring. Although, I think you were seventh because it's soft cracked me up today. And he sent me the list. It's a, it's a newspaper cutout. And he's right above you. And I'm like, oh, oh, I think this is my stop. Stop at 20. Or you had to say amount of points, but he had 21 goals. He might have had 20. And he said, no, that guy could play. He could really play. Well, you know what? I'll still line from Stoffer. Stoffer would say that I was a stay at home centerman. Like Philip Denol. Well, that's how it was. Yeah. Steve Ruchin on the docs in 2003. How is it though for like a, like I saw you were a defensive minded player. Maybe you didn't have the option. I wasn't. I just, no, I wasn't a defensive minor player. I just wasn't good enough. Okay. So do you like to try to like have the guys play with a, with a high pace, a lot of offense? Like where, where have your, your, your hockey philosophies came from and who were the coaches that maybe you took from? Well, I grew up in Edmonton. So that's probably the biggest hockey influence was just growing up in the 80s with the Oilers. And actually my friend really close friend of mine, his dad was Ted Green. So he was an assistant coach of the OIS. So we got to, you know, I was very fortunate. I got to go to their practices. I got to be in the locker room when they want to Stanley Cup. And I think a lot of it was just watching them that got my love for hockey. I mean, but man, I've been really fortunate to, to play for coach with some unbelievable coaches. Ken Hitchcock, I got to tell you, he's been one of the best guys. He was during the lockout and Philly. He was, he was coaching and Philly during the lockout. And I was at Princeton. And so I just called because we needed a goalie coach. He said, well, you know what, I'll come help you out. And I thought he was going to come for a day. He was there all season. And I learned so much from him. So I would say those from a hockey standpoint, probably the Oilers and Ken Hitchcock had probably been the biggest influences to ask you more about Hitchcock. Was he helping you with any video at all? Because when me and Whit got to experience him in St. Louis for a training camp, I thought it was pretty unbelievable for a guy who never really played at a high level or maybe really at all, how he was like able to break down the little nuances of the game. Like I was flabbergasted about how he was able to do that. Yeah, you know what, I think he's a genius. And in the sense of not necessarily what he knows, but how he communicates it. So it's really interesting. Like you, you'd ask a question that I think is pretty complicated. And every question he, he answers like boom, boom, it's a B like he boils it down to every single guy in the room gets, oh, absolutely. That's his genius. He can communicate his ideas in a very well-defined way. Like very well-defined. And when it comes to video, yeah, he was like he would come to every one of our home games, but on the road, we would send him tapes. And he'd go through them and then he'd like, and discuss him with me. So he was a, it was a master class in coaching and I have the most respect for him. That's funny. You say the way you describe it is true. There's no gray area with him. That's what I remember. There was, you always kind of knew exactly what he was saying. And I never, I never really considered it. I also remember with him, Biz, and I'm sure it was similar with Princeton, maybe different with personnel, but he was so crazy and adamant about cycling down low. Like all he wanted was you to cycle down low and tire them out and like hope passes to him. It made him sick. And great. This was, we were there three and a half weeks in training camp, but he was always drilling and going into like controlling the puck on the cycle. And St. Louis was very good at that. You know, no surprise. Well, for us, I mean, I think he, I don't remember that specifically offense is on part of it, but I can tell you that, that back to the communication, like when coaches sit around and talk and someone will bring it up and someone will say, well, what do you do here? And a coach will say, well, this is what you do. And then there'll be a question, well, what if that guy does that? Then what do you do? And you get into more discussions. And then with hitch, though, it's like, what do you do? And hitch goes, boom, boom, done. Everybody gets it perfectly. No other questions. And I don't know how he does it. It's a, it really is, you know, when you come across great teachers, you know what? He is a great, great, great teacher, great teacher. Like no matter what, you leave the room, the discussion, whatever you're talking about, go on, I got it. I 100% got it. And to me, I think that's the genius of coaching because it's not necessarily the systems or the concepts that you use. It's how many guys on your team absolutely get it. That's what matters. And for him, I think he's genius. Do you find the kids are maybe a very skill obsessed and like offensive obsessed, maybe even more so than like prior generations? And how hard or easy is it to beat into them, like the systems element, like, hey, man, you can't go there. You can't take that risk. Is it harder? I think that's coaching. I mean, I'm sure that's what my coach said about me, your coach has said about you, about you probably at some times. I think that's the genius of it. And depending on what you really want to get out of it. But for sure, with all the different videos now and everything, it seems like every, every hockey player coming up has been very, very trained in the skill aspect of the game, very, very trained a lot more than than I remember it when I was growing up, like a lot more trained and very aware of different offensive techniques. But I think that once you buy in that lift, you all have to do something structured together to have individual success. I mean, that's the key. No, NHL is a copycat league and a lot of teams are taking, you know, whether it's D zone coverage or power play stuff from other teams. Is it like that in college or you guys looking at NHL games and going through? Oh, absolutely. It's copycat in college too, but we still, I think the majority of us want to see what the best teams in the best league in the world do. Obviously, that's to me, that's a no brainer. So we're very much, I think coaching is very much a copycat profession. You do, you can't ever lose your stripes, but you certainly, it's a great way to get to tweak your system to where the game's going and evolving. And yeah, very much so. I got a larger question about like college sports right now. And there's been so much discussion that it's in a weird spot. And college hockey is no different. It's obviously not to the level of college football with the money involved in the NHL, but it's still right there. I'm curious, like, are there any things that you've talked to other coaches about where you're like, God, I think we got to switch this up. Like personally, to me, like the transfer rule, I always hated the fact you had to sit out a year because if you were a junior and you realize I'm not really going to play the next two years, I was like, I should be able to go, but the transfer ring every year to me is insane. So I don't know if there was something for you right now. It's like, I think we need to address this. Well, I think there's a lot of things that a lot of coaches would like to address and our staff is no different, but we're taking the attitude that, look, unless we can change it, why complain about it? So yeah, a lot of the different, a lot of things that you're talking about originate from probably football. The rules aren't just, hey, no one thought about college hockey, then implemented all these rules in NCAA. It comes from, you know, football, for sure, maybe basketball, etc. But there's not a lot that we can control as hockey coaches. So our attitude is, hey, just give me the rules and let's play. Like I want to be, I love hockey, I want to be a part of, I'd love being a hockey coach, I want to be here. What are the rules? Let's go for it. So aren't those confusing right now, though, little? Yeah, I mean, it's a ton. Like, if you get coaches, any college coaches, you go for a beer, where of course we're going to talk all about this and how and how ridiculous a lot of the things are, just like I'm sure a lot of other coaches from as football coaches, basketball, everybody across the NCAA. However, I guess like our attitude is I'm not going to change the rules. So you get me the rules and we'll play. That's what we think. I think the talent pool in the NCAA given the rules and the fact that you can go to junior first now, like it's at the highest it's ever been. I mean, we've talked about Gavin, but you also get a first hand look against teams that you're coaching against for those who don't watch enough college hockey who are looking forward to this year's draft or even like prospects that have been drafted, who are some of the most fascinating players in college hockey right now where you're like, this guy is this guy might be like the next kale macar. This guy might be the next Connor Bidar like who are the guys that you've seen first hand? I mean, there's a lot in the big 10 right now. There's a lot of really great black actually. I should say all across the nation when you talk about defenseman, we have a couple going to our team in the Spaniard Cup. I mean, Eric Polkamp is just is an incredible defenseman out of out of Denver. He's fantastic. Jake Levin Oz from North Dakota is extremely good. There's another one. Cool Hudson. Obviously, I'm sure you're very familiar with and BU is one of those guys that you know, I have great respect obviously for kale macar, but we've got other college, you know, college has done an amazing job with defenseman that guys come out of college and do a great job in the national hockey league. So I think there's a number of them. I'm a there's some really good forwards as well. Obviously, you're going to see a few of them in the in the world. Juniors that play in the big 10 were mark home as have been having a really good year. Personally, I got to tell you and I don't necessarily think this is biased, but I just love like if you love hockey and love watching creativity like Gavin to me is, I mean, that's a guy to watch. He just is. He's just so much fun to watch. It's so much fun to watch his his vision and his brain, how it works. It's it's it's quite incredible. Can you can you dive a little deeper into Gavin? Like that's what fascinates you the most like what are you like what are you seeing that separates him and why he should be first overall? Oh, well, there's a cut. So first of all, that's what you see. Like you watch him in practice and the way and even games like you'll see the way he manipulates time and space is really weird like weird. It's different. Like he'll have guys flying. He has no time and like you're thinking don't get rid of the park and cover up and he's like just so calm and we'll take time and just make the nicest easiest play and you're like, how did you do that? And then on the other hand, you know, he'll have time and space and you think, oh, he's going to slow things and he'll like one touch a pass, bullet, you know, he just he does. He sees things differently and that's what you see right off the hop. But but what we're learning since then is like he does so many things in a lead level like his vision and his the way he thinks is is incredible. But then we'll do a conditioning drill and he'll just kill it like he's a leap condition. And then if you look at anything he does on the backhand side of his stick, it's it's insane. It's insane how good the backhand side of his stick is. It's just insane. Like the first the first 50 times you're like, that has to be luck. And then that's like he does it all the time. And it's amazing. And then you know, he's 17 and he's and he's a he's a young 17. He's not one of these early developer kit. He's a very young 17. I think that's a lot why he came to college so he could develop his body nutrition, et cetera. But I mean, he just wires the pocket like his first goal was a bullet pass across the whole I say one time top shelf like he's got so many things that he does an elite level besides his vision. And like you talked about like that patience, I think in that first game against ASU, he I don't know if he was on the point during the power play or you put him there or he just ended up there where a guy came barreling out and then like he just made patient patient patient and making the right play down the wall. You guys ended up scoring off of it. But amazing, amazing player to watch. Now is he related to Connor Bedard? I believe so yeah, that's okay. So has he been around at all? And I mean, I'd be an unreal guy to pick his brain, right? So there would be it would be I know he hasn't come here. I'll leave that up to Gavin. But no, we haven't seen Connor here. Okay. It's almost. He might be on the fucking roster if you wanted to be. They could probably pay him more than Chicago too. Cool is right in the check right now. So do you do you almost do you almost think it's kind of unfair the way like the criticism he's getting? Because I mean, I play junior it's a wide open game. Like it's a it's a skill game. There's so much room to make plays. You're not getting hit. And then I went to a college game over Thanksgiving break. It was Michigan Harvard and there is no room on the ice there. Granted, there's probably not as many high high end talent as he is. But like I honestly think it's a little unfair to give him this criticism because like you said, how young he is, he hasn't please never played over here. And he's playing with guys that are 24, 25 years old. I mean, I don't I don't really listen to criticism. I think they're very wrong. We get to see this kid every day. He, you know, and the thing is when he came here, he's very, very conscious that he wants to improve the team and be a part of the team. He'll only talk about the team. He doesn't like talking individual. And so I think he's been very aware and they're very conscious of getting everybody involved. And there's times where he certainly could be more selfish. And maybe I'm hoping that maybe happens the second half. But that is well. I mean, we brought him here to play with a guy. We have an excellent winner who is, I think, he was a second leading scorer. The leading score coming back in the NCAA in Finke. And he broke his thumb. So he's missed half the season. So like Gavin's been playing with a bunch of different players. He's been, I think he's been doing handling it extremely well. And, you know, if, if intangibles mean anything, the way this guy is with the team, the way he ingratiates his teammates, just love him. And just the way he does things like, if you keep score and anything, you see this kid turn it up. He's, he's phenomenal. I mean, he's excellent. I, I don't listen to any criticism. But again, this is also the highest quality, most mature, most experienced college hockey league that's ever been. So I think that you got to take that into consideration, because there are no preps school kids coming out in our league right now. Hey, I, we appreciate you answering so many questions about Gavin too. I know there's so many other things to talk about. I think we're just kind of fascinated about this prospect coming up. And my next question about him though is like, what would your advice be to other coaches who have maybe never coached a guy of this stature, right? Like, I'm not sure if you've ever coached a guy that's this special coming up. And there's probably a lot of other ones who haven't. What would your advice be to a coach who might be all of a sudden finding themselves get this type of player? You know, I'm not sure that I have the, that I would be able to give advice right now because it's still new to me and I'm learning. But what I can tell you, I think, I mean, if you, if you have the privilege to coach a Gavin McKenna, just enjoy it because he makes it easy. Like, he's very much about the team. That's why I'm saying like, it's very different with him. He was, he, he's, no, he'll, no, and it, but it's more than that. It's not all these, there's no ego. It's, it's he really, so he's a very young 17. And, and I remember one, you know, we were like, man, we got to get more physical. And you know, in the, in the middle, between periods, we got to get more free. Well, he's the guy that goes out, just lays someone out. And like, he'll do whatever the team, like, that's what I think he's really driven to do what the team needs, rather than necessarily do it individually, accolade. So, so you're, if, if you're asking me, what's my advice of year, fortunate enough to coach a guy with that team character that Gavin has just enjoyed it, that's what I'd say. That's awesome. In 2013, your first year, was that the first year the team had gone from a CHA or club to D1? We had, so I actually coached the club team for one year. No way. Yeah, which was a blast. I bet. This guy, it was a blast. And then, and then we co we played the next year was independent. And we played out of the little rank on campus before Pugula, Icerina. And that was a blast and awesome. And what happened, we actually were supposed to have a number of years as an independent to get ready to get in the big 10. But they saw what the Serena was going to be and they anticipated the support and what the fans were going to be like. And we we've shulled out every game like it's incredible. And so when the big 10 saw that, they were like, Hey, you're not, we're not giving you more years as an independent. You're going into the week now. That's what happened. So we actually started thinking 2013. That's when this building was built. That was the first year of the big 10. And we still had, we only had two recruiting classes. Well, and at that point, Club hockey there. And now Club hockey, it kind of blows my mind now because there's a lot of schools that have two or three teams, like very pretty good hockey players are going there, not making the number one team. Like it's, it's in a competitive, awesome thing for kids to have that can't play Dwater D3, whatever. But when you guys had it, you were kind of a king's because at that time, weren't you getting four or five thousand a game? Well, no, no, because arena that was on campus only held about I want to say 600, I think. Oh, so yeah, so it was packed. It was very, but it was packed. And they were really, they were really good team. They won the ACH championship a number of times. And the guys were awesome. Like that was an awesome year because it was all about building for the future. So these guys are just they're loving it. And then the first year that we played, I mean, D1 and even in the big 10, we had guys that came to Penn State play Club hockey, they're playing the big 10 and Pagul ice rink. So you kept some guys. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. That's probably had to. Yeah. That's unreal. You kept a lot of guys. That's what I was saying. Like we were supposed to have a number of years, but we didn't. So we had two recruiting classes. So we had two recruiting classes that we recruited and two recruiting classes were from from the ACH team. And these guys were just loving it. It was a blast. How many more, how much more is that going to be happening as far as club teams? I mean, you got to think of some of these. I mean, Yans is a big bulldog. SEC, some of these SEC teams, they got to be coming up with from club to the big dogs. No. God, I'd love it. I hope so. You know what? Before COVID, I think that we would have definitely had another big 10 school for sure. And maybe there's others around the nation. I know that there's a lot of feasibility studies being done. And I hope I really hope that more and more jump. And I would like to see it a lot in the West Coast. I think that would be the way to go. Well, G says UNLVs next. You remember they beat Denver last year. They didn't have their coach. Yeah. But still like doesn't really matter. So that's one he's saying it would be next. And the SEC, yeah, I agree with you. Like like the old pack 12, pack 10, whatever those schools. But then you look at like Keith and I were down at a football game at Georgia. We met the club hockey team. It's like these the kids on campus. I don't even think they know it's club hockey. They're like, oh, this is our hockey team. They might as well be in the NHL. Yeah, I mean, I know there's been some great support. I mean, we went to when we played club here. I remember going to Jesus was at Oklahoma. I think we went down to Oklahoma. Yeah, they had a great team and it was packed. It was a lot of fun. I really hope more and more jumping. I know you mentioned it a little bit earlier, but just like the atmosphere, especially at your rank and you see it throughout college hockey. You got the bands going like it's so fun to go watch the games. But and I think Whits the first guy I've ever heard say this with the playoffs. How it's at a neutral site. They should be in these home arenas. Like you go with your own fans again. Like imagine you guys playing. If you're the one seed, if you're the ones not fucking St. Louis. Right. Yeah, like what like what are we doing in Tampa for you? Like there's not even like even crazier places. Like St. Louis to Tampa would be like Vegas compared to some of the places they're going for reason. They did Manchester new Hampshire, which I mean, I played in match. I love match, but like it depends. It depends on the matchups. Like last year we were at Alan Town, which is in PA. And I mean, we had it was awesome because it was in PA and we had the whole student section showed up. Other like supporters, other alumni that don't because it's sold out here. They can't always get in. They win and it was a blast. It was unbelievable. But in some regionals, you know, there's flies. And I could not agree more. This is something that we've been talking about for a while that I really hope goes because hey, we're very fortunate here. It's an amazing atmosphere, but there's so many other colleges with amazing atmospheres. And I just think about the two colleges that I was at before here. I can't imagine. Holy Baker, Rankin Princeton, if they were ever to host the regional, it would be off the hook. It would be unbelievable. It put it put the hockey program at the forefront of that university for the first time ever. And the same goes for Alaska. It would be it would be insane. We nuts. It would be nuts. So I could not agree with you more. I hope it happened. Yeah. Like in you just, you know, if you grind it all year to have, but there's four number one seeds, if you get one of them, your gift, your gift is some sort of advantage. So I, yeah, that would be pretty cool. That would be pretty cool. The Holy Baker went to Princeton, huh? Hope, yeah, he did. Yeah. I didn't know that. And so did actually Patty Kazmire. So the top college hockey players, hope you make your word, the top women's college hockey players, Patty Kazmire. They're both Princetonians. So that's cool. Before we let you go, I got a question on because last year, I watched a couple of your games and that kid Aiden Fink, I was like, holy shit, one of those players, you'd look, you're immediately going online seventh round pick. He lit up his freshman year and then really took off sophomore year. I don't know how he didn't sign. Like, I'm sure you had something to do with it. And I was missing. He's missing some games. So he's still a point per game, but is he battling an injury? He did. Well, that's the thing. So Gavin was to play with Aiden and Aiden broke his thumb very early in the season. He's missed half the games. So that's why me and Gavin's been playing with a bunch of different guys. He really hasn't had a solid line. So Aiden's coming back. He's coming with us to Spangler Cup. Back. So he's going to get his feet on him. When he comes back, I think him and Gavin are going to have a heck of a second half. The last thing I was going to ask about is how fired up are the boys in you for playing the outdoor game? Yeah, it's going to be awesome. It's crazy. Crazy. You know, ever since I got here, so it's been 14, 15 years ago, that is the number one question, most common question. I guess, when are you guys going to play an outdoor game at Viva State? I get it all the time. No matter where I'm at, I get it in the airport. Like anybody sees Penn State. They're like, hey, when are you going to get it all the time? Penn Stateers just can't wait for this. So it's going to be awesome. I mean, I think they, but I just heard just they've already sold 60,000 tickets. How many can it be there? 110. Well, I don't know exactly because of how construction is going and how they can figure it, but they better have some because they've already sold 60,000. Jesus asking, are they also going to do a white out there? Because you guys are notorious for your white white outs. Half do. Yes, they will. Wow. So this is one step closer because I keep busting my buddy Frank Marzanos chops that Penn State is going to be a hockey school and not a football school. So I think this is the first step but taking over that field. They can't even, he's got, he's got to coach the football team now too. You didn't hear that. That's right. Double dip. He's got a, he's double dipping. That's funny. I got to tell you, Keith, I didn't, but your name came up. So Frank, you know Frank very well. He's an awesome Penn stator. Yeah, the bus. Your name came up the other day with him yesterday. He said to say, hello, cool. Cool. This has been awesome. Hey, Gads, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Good luck, good luck in Davos. That'll be a special trip no matter what the record is. But good luck. Represent the college college game. Well, and we'll see you. We're going to be out there. Beaver Stadium and the January and we appreciate you coming on. That's awesome. Thank you very, very much guys. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Good luck. Big thanks to Guy Gadozki. Whitt had to take off because he's he's on Daddy duty. Boys, we miss me and you each have four years of eligibility. I would love to play for Guy Gadozki. Think about it. Think about it. I don't, I didn't even write my own exams in high school. Who's going to help them not doing that stuff in college, are they? Oh, the athletes don't really have to go to class. No, perfect. Well, here's another guy who never went to class. Let's bring them in. Arrays world. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Arrays world here in the spit and check this podcast. How's going boys? Good to see you once again. Keith, I apologize last week, but you know, for a little oversight with who's going to play you in a movie, but Casey Affleck, that would be the perfect guy to play you in a movie. All right. I'll take it and I appreciate that. And the one week extra of thinking about it and I'll hit in a home run with one of my favorite actors, Casey Affleck. I really appreciate that. All right. Absorpositively. This, what's going on, buddy? How are you? I got a question. Is he the one that was in Manchester by the sea? Yeah. I never saw that, but he was pretty, did he win an Oscar for that? I believe he did. I know he's definitely nominated. I believe he might have. I should know that with my movie stuff, but he's definitely a nominated. I know that for sure. He was really good in the Oppenheim too. Did you ever see that? I saw I've seen half of it and I've always watched him on flights. And I know it was never able to finish it because the flights always ended by the time I like put it on and watched it, but definitely one that I have to watch. Like to the point where I haven't gotten to Sean Avery's scene yet, like I need to watch and finish that movie. So I mean, now that we're on the movie talk here, R.A., you have to be thrilled. Could you ever have imagined when you started this podcast that you would be on Netflix? hilarious. Like I tweeted, I said, I watched the wire for the first time actually on DVD. And that's when I started using the subtitles for the first time because you know, I didn't know a lot of the lingo. And now I joke like now people can put subtitles on until they get on this day when I'm saying, when we're on Netflix coming, coming up soon. Yeah, very exciting. It's just wow. Just just another, I guess, another notch for this crazy, this crazy life that we all have. And yeah, the more the merry man, it's fun stuff. I'm looking forward to it. Do you remember the old days we were, I was talking about it with Chris then the other day, when Netflix used it, you'd get a DVD, mail to you and then you'd have to mail it back. You could get like two at a time. Remember, you'd bring them on the road and then like some guys would open up their case and then have like the Netflix, they'd be like, dude, you got to return this. What are you doing? Oh, buddy. And yeah, it was, and then didn't they have almost like a, like vending machines that were, then they had them after that. Yeah. Yeah. Their progression. And I believe at a certain point blockbuster could have purchased Netflix or been involved with them somehow. And I don't know who was in charge and who was running the ship then, but talk about a talk about fumbling the bag, my goodness, man. That's like the Michigan football coach. That's a bag fumble for the ages right there. Yeah. I got to love hate them with blockbuster. I mean, obviously had a great selection, but they go all the up all the mom and pop stores back in the day. And you know, I worked out my uncle's video store. So basically, when I started, he had like one shelf of adult movies. But the only way he could compete with blockbuster was just to keep getting more ponos. By the time he's the store closed, like, half the store was like, we're going to a point of shop. I'd come on. Would there be the room in the back where they could go tug and like, some of them, we weren't that custom friendly. Okay. There's like shops like that that exist where you go there and you pop the DVDs in and you tug in like the back room, which is Bizarre land. Yeah. Well, like that was a time square. They used to have those boots. You would like put like quarters in it. Like a girl with dance flying like, you know, you fucking rubble out in the middle of time. We're just watching some girl dance. Come on. They would have almost like the in New Amsterdam style. I've never been an Amsterdam, but well, that's that I think you just kind of pick your hookers over there. So I heard. But no, it's time's great. Literally, you put like quarters in it. And yeah, you just like crank one on them. Go back to fucking sparrow and grab some pizza afterwards. I guess there was no like the internet back then, right? So you had to either rent the DVDs or I guess that even before the big VHS or the file, we just go to the old file right here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The memory bank or a Sears catalog on the brass section. If you're getting real desperate. What else are they? What do you? What do you got? Cooker for the boys, baby? Just Kevin showing them still found a little little walk in the back. But I did go to I'm, you know, buddy, Jay T. Boehaw plays the role. He's played for Milton Academy. He's at Babson now. He had family Christmas party last week. So I drove out the fishburg and last year I went and it's like, you know, it's like an hour drive. It's like, you don't want to have like one or two beers and then, you know, like have to drive home. So I was like, buddy, I'm crashing this year. I didn't get like tuned up or anything. But it's like, I don't want to have to drive home. But he's great guy. It's just a great family. All his teammates at Babson are so good to him. All the boys with his socials. Well, all the all the Babson boys too. So nice time. Great to see you. Bacon out. Yeah. Get the Christmas spirit going, boys. Oh, that's awesome. Today, big anniversary today, business. 108 years ago today, the NHL opened for business. The visiting Montreal Canadians, the senators, the OG senators, 74. And the Montreal Wanderers beat the Toronto arenas 10 to 9 and their first last and only victory because they're buying burned down a few weeks later. I mentioned this a few weeks ago. The Montreal Wanderers. So there are only three teams left. Yeah. They're buying got burned down. Man, they basically had like four for the season. Pretty wild. No way. And then like you're saying that because when they eventually like we're recreated, they had a different name and maybe even a different owner. Like what? How did that all work? Yeah. Why didn't they just relocate? I mean, it was 1917 or whatever. I don't know. It was really feasible because they basically, there was, they were renearing to burn down in the Canadians. I guess had first dibs on. I don't think it was the forum yet. But so yeah, they basically just kind of suspended operations. And I don't know if they became the Montreal maroons later or if they just kind of like closed up shop and much more on that old. I got a question. So you said the game was 10, 9. Yeah. Is that where the term bar burner came up? Came up. Oh, I'm not even fucking around here. I don't think so just because it burned out a few weeks later. But that I like you I like you trying to think of that. But it was the last game there. You said, right? Yeah. I don't know. I just trying to put it all together with my. Yeah. Dude, that's it. That's big brain shit. Is it? All right. Also too on that. So I wonder if those players were able to go and play for another team or not or if they just had to go back to the job. Yeah. Interesting. Like some major names through from hockey history. I enjoy. Visna, New Zealand, Joe Malone, Ot Ross and side identity. Like those legendary names from the game. Those all those guys played, you know, in the first day of the league. So pretty, yeah, little history fly a business. You know what would be fun is to see like maybe do like a like a tournament, a little mini tournament throughout the NHL regular season. But all the players had to wear the gear from back then just to see how bad the like the hockey would be compared to the technology that existed back then. Yeah. Like show the past. Basically look like show the pads woman were in the 80s. Under the effect on blouses. Get back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Moving along. Like we got to have a thumbs down a Seattle for what they did the other night with the post game stuff. I'm not sure if you guys talked about earlier. They lost five, three to Colorado and they only had one person asking questions and it was their own in-house like guy. That's right. For them. And you know, it was like, I guess other writers were given this guy questions to ask. But it's just weak. I mean, you know, Seattle, they did come up with a statement. The bottom line. It wasn't right. I was a mistake. And it'll never happen again. But it shouldn't have happened in the first place, man. It's like, you know, it was like, I don't child is just foolish. Like, you know, this, you can't hide this stuff anymore. Everything's online and on the internet. I just don't know what they were thinking. It's like, you know, tough loss. Things aren't going great there. But you can't, you can't shut out the media. Man, that's, that's that's, that's who publicize all the games and that's all that stuff. So although guys in the locker room shut it because it was way to work because I don't know what it was. It was Lane Lambert, the coach, he was sitting there and they had one person just asking, I think his team related, just asking him kind of softball questions because they were just kind of fed up. I don't know if they had a closed door team meeting or something happened internally. But they also have been leaking oil. They did have the big win where they came back against LA and tied it in the dying seconds. But I believe before that, they lost like six or seven in the row, all of which in regulation. So they haven't been getting points. Do you have their stats? Like, how bad of things gotten for them, right? It was actually that the game that was the ninth loss in 10 games the other night. So, but you know, obvious frustration, but that's, you know, that's just not the way to handle it at that point. What's up, chief? I was actually reading that they're shooting percentage to start the year was just like astronaut. But they stink. They're coming back to earth. They're coming back to earth now. They're not a question. They said that that they'd come back to earth that they're, that their numbers, the under the hood shit is, it's not sustainable. And listen, great guys in that locker room, like, you know, they're fighting every night, but like just an absolute boring team to watch. I watched a few of their games this year and it's like watching paint dry, although contradictory that that LA game was not bad, but two defensive minded teams. But yeah, you can't be doing that. You got to fucking stand in the fire. That's why you get paid the big bucks and that's bullshit. All right. And that's big J journalism for our boy, the reader. Absolutely. But some good stuff at MSG, Chris Crida, Jacob Trubo made their first appearance at MSG and man, Crida, like they really gave him a giant stand and oh, like, I mean, a couple of minutes long was I love to see that stuff. But Tristan Jerry though, he did not get a video tribute in Pittsburgh because per beat, right, a Dave Mollon Ari, the penguins are not expected to have a tribute video for Tristan Jerry tonight. They are believed to have a drop at a policy of giving such recognition only to guys want to cup here. I mean, I want to ask what because I know he's been bitching about this for years, but I don't know. Do you think that I mean 300 games he played the attendees and I was pretty shocked. I didn't give one. I kind of I mean, I respect the fact that they're doing that when you have that rich history, I guess you can get away with it. Do I think Jerry would be hurt from it? No, I don't think so. I think like, you know, he I'm sure he got the love from his teammates before and then after the game. So I don't think it'd be that big of a deal. But just to go back to the Rangers one, too, like Chris Crider at the end of the day, he's going to go down as one of the greatest Rangers of all time. Like he is an he was a stud there for a long, long time. He put in the work. Like he's one of those guy. He came right out of college lit the world on fire when he played there and then it sustained it. How long is he there 15 years? 13 seasons, 13 years. So top seven all time goal scorers for the New York Rangers. What is he at? Do you have that information? Maybe G in the back? I he's I believe he's easily in the top 10 for most goals ever scored. I think he actually playoff. He has the most power play goals in New York Rangers history as a player. So there's there's a lot that he's done there for that organization and to get pigeon tossed the way that he did. That's bad karma. It is. If you were running a team, what would you ask standard B to have a video tribute? Would it depend on the player or it's kind of a case by case basis? So as I said before earlier in the podcast, I have everybody in the Hall of Fame. Like I'm the easiest one to come to all that stuff. I get where people are bicker about this. And considering I'm on board with the video tributes as nice of a guy and as good of a player as Jari is, I don't think he falls under that category and hit it on the head. Like they've won five Stanley cops as an organization. Like, you know, if if if said, if Geno, Geno's retirees, so that won't happen with tang. Like any of those guys ever come back, give them a 10 minute standing goal. They've just had too many guys in that roster who have accomplished so much to be just hand on those out like candy. And I think that there should there should almost be a like a board, a board amongst the NHL where they have to say, Hey, we're thinking about giving this guy a video tribute where they're like, yeah, now some of these players that maybe don't have the impact on the ice as they do off the ice in the community where it is being done during a TV timeout. So it's not like you're stalling the game at all. And I I'm actually surprised because I want to say I saw online that during one of the TV timeouts, they did give Jari a video. So maybe I'm getting bad information here, but I think he falls under the category where, Hey, man, thanks for your time. We'll come say hi on the hallway after the game, but you ain't getting a video. There has to be a prerequisite thousand points. Get out there, fucking whip your cocks out for your teammate. I don't give a shit, but the video attributes. Yeah, speaking of the pan was man, how about said he does, I mean, he looks like he's 20, 70 years old. That's pretty what he's been doing 19 goals 16 assists in 32 games, but although, Bloomberg, that that was nasty. The overtime goal with Bloomberg and Celebrity the other night. You don't see that happen. It sits off and a guy dangling like that. Klingberg looked like Dallas Klingberg that that whole game. He was great. But that move that he made to and then Celebrity gave it back to him, right? That was an incredible play. And one of the worst comebacks or best comebacks, depending on who you root for, that game was like this likes to say crack on ice. I know you mentioned that the announce a Randy Han the other day is, but what like I literally was like half asleep and he his colleague woke me out of a slumber. It was just epic. And each like if he listened, they put all the goals together on one clip and he just got a little little out, a little out, a little out each one. So great stuff from Randy Han awesome. And you know, they've been polishing some turds there for a few years now with that team not being good. And it's funny that you said that Randy ended up texting me today saying, hey, thanks for the shout out. So thank you to you, Array, reaching out mid live a podcast in order to give me the heads up on on who it was. So he's a stallion. I want to say he's in his 60s. Looks like fucking look like he's 40 years old man. Good for him. He doesn't unreal job. Look them too. Oh yeah, which one? Who's our army with Pittsburgh? Oh yeah, all armies incredible. He's a great play by our color guy. Boys, we want to send out love to Kelly. Jason. I'm not sure if you saw the clip the other night. He addressed the crowd at the blues game. And you know, he's been battling cancer for years now. And you know, he's had a couple more issues pop up. But you know, we just want to let you know, Jason, we love you. He's one of the most well-liked guys and you know, anywhere around the league. But he was actually in town September. I stopped down down the nights on the street. And he was in town with a son. They had some business to take care of in big Jimmy Vs. He was there. And it was just the four of us. There was no one down there. And we had an awesome night, man. He was in great spirits. He was telling some awesome stories and in big Jim Vs. He said, hey, how many times have you been knocked down? And he created cases like only three. And I forget who the guy's name was. But I, you know, Jimmy's like, oh, I didn't know he was tough. And he's like, neither did I. You know, he's like hilarious. Telling the story. So we just want to, yeah, I just want to extend that. You know, I love and everything to you, Jason. So we love your brother. Just want to help put that on. All right. You hit the nail and I had everybody like, like he is a machine too. Like everything that he's still doing in order to create awareness. Everything that's been going on for the hockey fights, cancer, like him getting on the ice and talking to the crowd. And he is, he's an inspiration, the way that he's been fighting and dealing with this, starting a podcast of his own with Red Hall and slinging the stories. And you could just tell, like being around the boys and in that locker room setting is what brings them true joy. And especially just doing it through the pain that he's in and the fatigue that he's in. Like, it's affected. And he lost his eyesight for, I believe five, six days that he said recently. And just going through all the chemo and everything, man, he is, he's, he's, he was a larger than life in safely tough hockey player. And he has surpassed that by light years the way that he's handled this situation that he's going through right now. So just to piggyback what you said are, are, you know, our thoughts are with him. He's going to keep fighting and he's going to beat this fucker because he's, he's as tough as they come. Yeah. And when you think of Chase or two, obviously they've an absolute killer on the ice. But what he's done behind the scenes for that alumni program, like when you, when you talk about alumni programs in the NHL in St. Louis is the standard, right? And he's been the main part of that for a long, long time. So just a guy that just, he's all about others, right? He's not just trying to do it for himself. He's keeping people together. He's keeping alumni around, giving back to the game and, you know, just an unbelievable guy. Just you hope and pray and I hope everybody has him in his in their prayers and hope that he gets better. It's actually the fact that you brought that up already because I saw that video you're talking about that was going around. I actually when, when we went to the outdoor game last year, it was, it was St. Louis in Chicago. St. Louis ended up taking it down, but Wayne had brought a bunch of jerseys, like an old school throwback, the looking ones that you wore on the ice with Chase and number 39 on the back of it. So I grabbed one and it I actually put it right behind where I record, but we're not recording in our regular or my regular spot today. So it's going to be behind me from now on when we record the podcast and I actually somebody left the extra one. So I have the extra one. Yeah, I don't know if you got one or you'll take one. Yeah, maybe even R.A. I can send it to you and you could put it behind you there just to kind of continue to show our support for him. And as crazy as the sounds, like I bet you he would love to even come on and talk and just talk hockey with us at a certain point, especially when his energy is where it needs to be. So we're thinking of you, we love you, Chase, sir, and you're an absolute legend and you're exactly what the game of hockey embodies. Yeah, yeah, I was really glad I just stopped in spur of the moment that night. That's a expensive time on them. So that's time. Yeah, Christmas time less than a week away. I know we talk about the movies every year. You know, we're not going to do that. Christmas vacation, Christmas story, Alphbad Santa, but I want to say with the I think might be the worst Christmas movie and I hate to say it because I love Michael Keaton, but I was I put on that Jack Frost. I didn't I didn't put it on it. It came on, you know, when he dies and he comes back to life as a snowman. And I never heard anything good about it. I thought it was like this could be like, you know, like a lie, lie, a type of movie father something, but oh, tough watch, just a tough watch. It felt like they were trying to like be in like the CGI Olympics when they made it. Just had like finished this movie in time just to try to get some award, but it was a freaking tough watch. Keep you ever see it. I cried like a baby during that movie. That is a sad movie when the kid is waiting for his dad to come to his hockey game and then the dad gets in a car crash. You just think about like, oh my god, I love my dad so much. He always just wanted to come to my hockey and every time I watch that, I ball my eyes out. I've never even heard of it to be honest. No shit. Really? Yeah. Frost. Yeah. Yeah. I'm basically I'm not going to go on G, but it was like a movie for like 70 rows. We got kept back three times already. It's like, I know, it's I know it's a, I guess, an annual hit, but I don't know. It was a tough watch for me. Again, I love Michael Keaton. I hate even saying that, but I would about this. You ever go watch the old like the old ones that I root off from Frosty, the OG ones this one was that was clay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I watched out sometimes that was when I watched growing up. I loved it. Obviously, Christmas story. But yeah, I like to hit up all the I loved Elf. I thought for like one of the new school ones, Elfs probably at the top of the list. That's Santa. That's Santa's great. That's Santa's great. Jim Carrey and what he did with the Grinch perfect guy to replay the Grinch and that one. So yeah, there's so many good Christmas movies and Christmas is my favorite holiday growing up. My mom made it very, very special. And I've told the story before like they would always spoil me and I ended up getting the the Gretzky, the Gretzky aluminum the one year. So Christmas is a great time for me. Definitely. I don't give two fucks about the gift giving anymore. I don't need one single present. I just want to be around friends and family and be having a good time and a little time off work. Yeah. Absolutely. I think he has a goal. I mean, like my siblings, we just like, well, you're gonna buy me a hat. I'm gonna buy you a hat, whatever. It's just like, you know, I'll see it. Christmas will get drunk and have a good time. But yeah, I kind of the gift given seem to get like too, you know, too much over the years. But one other movie I noticed it's obviously not a Christmas movie, but it seems to play at Christmas time. A lot of the Wizard of Oz. Love that movie. But Keith, you know, I mean, I would say the four characters, you know, Dorothy, Tin Man, Cowley Lion, the Skiercro. I would say that's the most iconic for some in movie history. And I love Star Wars. But I don't know if you can come up with a more iconic for some, but you know, two of the four are Boston Irish guys, the Skiercro and the Tin Man. I didn't know that, but didn't the Tin Man get like really sick because of what he had to wear from that movie? It was the guy who was gonna play it before him. His name escapes me, but no, Jack Haley who played the Tin Man. No, he didn't end up getting sick. He actually was born in Boston. I raised a Newton and Ray Bolger who plays the Skiercro. He was raised. He grew up in Dorchester. Codman Square went to Dorchester High. Really? Yeah. I don't know that. Yeah, a little boss. I love it. Yeah. And yeah, even at the M2s from Boston too. And if you're looking for a gift for the Bruins family life, I pal Mike Commito got Bruins 365. He did a Bruins one too. Yeah, daily stories from the ice. Great stuff. I know that he's got other versions for other teams, but for the B's fan in your life, if you're looking for a gift, little last minute gift, that got Amazon or else books of soul. So good stuff. Like new, is there new stories in that? Or it's all old school stuff? Just yeah, from the history of the franchise. Yeah, like right here. 2020, 22, 1979, he skips around the years. Times of great stuff in there. So he did the leaves one first, fucking trader. Come on, Mike. To be in the heart. The book. I know boys, we love to keep it light on here and check us, but I do want to acknowledge Rob Reina, the director who unfortunately was murdered with his wife Michelle the other night. Apparently, the sun's been charged with a sad story, but I just want to let you know shine a light on what he did. I mean, he, you know, spinal tap, stand by me, Princess bride, Harry Medsali, a few good men. I mean, those are, I mean, probably one of the best mockumentaries all time. One of the best coming of age movies of all time, stand by me. One of the best fantasies, Princess bride, Harry Medsali, probably the best roommate, the comedy ever, and the court drama, a few good men. He was also a great actor all in the family back in the 70s. He was the father and wolf, a Wall Street, but for me, it was stand by me. I saw that when I was 14. My dad took me to see that and that was right in my wheelhouse. I mean, you know, I was that age same age as those kids and I don't know if you saw it post the other day, but I wasn't really a reviewer. It was an English assignment. My freshman year in high school and they picked like the best one of the class to be in the school paper. And I, you know, I wrote like a five four five ward hug. I gave him five ward hugs, stand by me. So and it was like the first time I ever like realized, okay, I can like talk about this movie in another way. Obviously, you know, I had read movie reviews, but that was the first time, you know, I have a like really expanded my thoughts on it. So yeah, it's just, again, a sad story, um, stand by me. It's just a timeless classic. And you don't have to be guys, girls, everybody loves that. Everybody can relate to youth and friendship and all that stuff. What do you got busy? Um, you said you said that it's considered a coming of age movie. What do you mean by that? As in like, you just like a growth from like adolescence to adulthood and like experiencing like life, like growing up life things like what do you mean? Pretty much. Yeah, basically, when you're, you know, maybe an adolescent or a teenager, you know, you're basically not an adult yet. Just sort of that, that age that those guys were in the movie. Yeah, that sort of a category coming of age, uh, coming of age movies, you know, there's just, but I can't full amount there. But for my money, stand by me the best time. I watched it every few months, just, uh, I don't freshen up. Is that what your, your Halloween costume was? Yeah. Yeah. So is the Raid Rawa? I've seen parts of the movie. Like, I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but it's been so long. Um, is that the main focal point is they discover a dead body and it kind of like what transpires from that? Uh, yeah, uh, Vern, you know, Jerry O'Connell who goes on PMT all the time, Married. He was a bad girl. I mean, yeah, he was, he, when you, when you watch the movie, you never know, he was going to be the one to marry a super boy. He's got a little baby fat on him. But yeah, he over his brother and his friends talking about, you know, the, the body that's missing and then they all go blinded at the parents, he'd, they can't put out and they go look, look, look for the body and that's basically the, the gist of it. It was a Stephen King, no, no vellus short story. Actually, I got the book over there. He wrote four stories in that book and three of them became movies, uh, Shawshank Redemption at Pupo and stand by me. Wow. So this guy, like, so I've obviously seen what you're talking about. R.A. Like, I wasn't really familiar with the guy's name or his body of work and didn't realize he was the one to direct all those. I have now seen clips that have been popping up where it seemed like he was close with his son where he'd be doing interviews and his son would be involved in the interview. So like, what has happened? Like, you're saying that him and his wife were both killed by that son that was in all these clips and interviews. Yeah, he's been, been charged with the murder. He's been, you know, had some, I guess, some substance abuse issues, mental health issues. Yeah, I deal with homelessness and I guess, you know, it was a story that I think with the Hollywood reporter and I guess he showed up at a party like Conan O'Brien's house. I'm not sure if he went with the parents or if he just showed up and I guess he was making people real uncomfortable and like just kind of like staring at people and and that was the night before. Yeah, he allegedly killed his parents, but yeah, he had been dealing with a lot of issues and actually they brought Ryan and made a movie a few years back about based on his story. You know, I have a child with addiction issues. Yeah, it's just, you know, it's just awful. So to the point where, so the obviously this is it could become a deeper discussion. Basically, drug addiction to the point where sometimes the parents, the last resort is you have to cut ties. You have to say, I'm not giving you any more money. You're not going to stay here. You're not going to, you're no longer going to affect our life with the choices that you're making. And it's terrible because we don't need to get into the whole addiction and what creates it. But at a certain point, he was no longer at the house. It was at the case recently when he killed him like where he was no longer living there and stuff. I think they might have like, you know, a house outback like a guest house. He had been staying at, but the other story said he had been homeless, but yeah, he basically has had a lot of a lot of issues. White a island. Yeah, it is. It's just a tough story, but yeah, I just want to acknowledge Rob Ryan, also two James Woods, you know, Jimmy, great actor. He did a great interview on Fox the other night. And, you know, those two are polar opposites when it comes to the way they do the world in politics. But I just thought it was so classy with James Woods. Just, you know, he put all that stuff aside. He was in a movie with him. I was in his movie. I'm sorry, Ghost of Mississippi a while ago. And I just started the way he handled it with such grace and empathy. And yeah, I just thought it was a good example of like, hey, man, you know, the world's fucked up right now. Everything's kind of crazy. And, you know, people have more common ground than they realize. So I just want to acknowledge, you know, Jimmy Woods for saying what he said. And just, yeah, we're all here for a while, man. We should try to be a little bit nicer. Oh, for sure. All right. His, his scene in a waffle wall street when he's trying to watch the equalizer and someone calls him on the phone is one of the, I think it's one of the best scenes in the whole movie with a, in a movie that has some amazing scenes. You remember that scene, is when the dad, no, no, describe. He's, he's sitting down on his chair trying to watch the equalizer, the phone rings. He's like, who the fuck is to call him? I'm trying to watch the equalizer walks over the phone. He's like, mother fucking shit. Yellow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yellow. And then like, he's like, yeah, no, all set and hangs up. And he's like, fuck. He loses. It's such a good scene. That's, I don't remember that one. You must have seen some old one on the family apps. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm believe it. I'm believe it will show it. That show changed television forever. But good stuff. So yeah, Rob Reiner, you know, bought some imprests to assemble these stories. Vamian French is a sad story. But moving along here, the same, same Vamian movies, my classic recommendation this week is thief. It's a 1981 Michael Mann movie, the guy who directed heat. The inside of a bunch of other great movies. It was his first movie directed. And it's pretty much regarded as a masterpiece. It's not as James Conn as a safe cracker. Like, they don't rob houses. They basically break in a building and steal diamonds and sell them on the side. Tremendous movie. I think it's one prime right now. If, uh, James kind of sunny, coyote. You know, if he was a 10 like intensity, the guy Frank and thief is a nine. He's sort of similar to sunny, coyote, but you know, Dennis Farina, you know, who that is Keith or Bist of the act that he was, he was a big grayhead that Chicago must have. He passed away a few years ago. Well, he was an advisor on this movie. I was a Chicago club at the time. And he, you know, this is very first movie he was in. I don't even think he has a line at it. And he ended up getting the act of buck and became like this, you know, he's too jacked to like after, you know, being on the set. And I guess like all the like Michael man, he goes deep in the details. I mean, you see it in heat. If you watch deep, you'll see it there. And all the set, there was all like cops as advises in all the robbers too. But they weren't like come back Rob as they would just, boosting diamonds and they weren't like, you know, I was robbing or anything. So all the cops and robbers on the set all like new each other. It was like a familiarity on the set all the time. That's not something to see all the time. But either way, thief, phenomenal movie, check it out, get, get back to me, let me know what you think about it. And why didn't I pay a couple picks last week? We did our right Tampa Bay. They won, covered the puck line. Didn't do so good in the football, but Detroit pushed on the weekend. But tonight, if a hell of bucks, that's tonight Winnipeg plus 200. I don't call around. It's been on a tier. But if hell bucks in, I'm taking Winnipeg. That's a pretty good price for a team. You know, that's got, you know, probably gonna like try to get back on the well, they're in the race right now, but I have to miss a hell of bug. I think he'll be locked in. And I like them at that price in the NFL. Green Bay, take them on the money line. They're in Chicago. I think the lines one and a half, but just take them on the money line. It's like minus one 10 or minus one 15. So so fast, so good. Make a few bucks this year. So hopefully you have people falling on them and making a few beans as well. Beautiful. Anything else, boys? All right. Great job, buddy. Great senior. Yeah. You're a legend, buddy. Appreciate you starting this goddamn podcast. And now we're on Netflix. Yeah. Yeah. How long do you have your own premiere? Aha. No. Well, I'll be honest. You pull on, buddy. Hey, what solo? If you could, if you could write and direct a movie, what do you think it would be about? Oh, probably maybe like growing up in the city, growing in Boston and, you know, all the craziness, like, especially in the neighborhood like this. And I used to, you know, I have always say it was going to write a book in college. And then when the time come out, basically like Ben Afford, more or less, cock me on that idea because it was, you know, I even had the idea of former hockey play against, you know, bank robbery, all that type of stuff. But yeah, I think, I think, you know, right, we know that's what they say. So yeah, I would think some sort of boss the movie, but, you know, said it back in the 70s back when it was really fucking an aniland. Yeah, probably what I would. He did kind of jack that idea. Fucking Ben Afford. Some guys got it all. Boys, well, I'm not sure if I'll talk to you before next week, but if I don't marry Christmas, marry Christmas, well, I'll listen to this out there. Happy Hanukkah or whatever else you may celebrate. I love love what we do. The feedback's been great with our A's world so far. People have been awesome about it. So thanks again, boys. And we can and we'll talk soon. I'm sure. That's it. That's a wrap, baby. That's the moon. To the moon, baby. But I have it worth breaking. But it's taking time. I don't know. It don't let it. It's going to happen. It's going to happen again.