Parenting Backbone, Being Medicated & The Halftime Show

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you. This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. I love your hat so much. I didn't know if you were going to wear it. I know you're a hat girly, so it worked out. Good morning and welcome to Coffee Convos Podcast. I am absolutely locked and loaded. I have my protein shake. I have my Alani Cosmic Stardust and I have my mini G2. I have my ghost and my water. I love that. I need to become more of a water girly. I actually was watching this TikTok of this one girl and she said she found this 50 ounce water bottle and she only has to fill it up twice a day. I think they're recommended as like 128 ounces of water a day. Be careful with that because I was also trying to do that. And I learned that you can like, if you drink too much water, remember when people were carrying around those like gallon? Yes. You have to also be careful because it can deplete like your sodium or like create a sodium imbalance that's actually really unhealthy. So just be careful. Do you remember when we saw that one article of that lady that consumed too much water and died? I don't. It was roughly around that same time when it became like a thing to carry around the gallons of water. Yeah, that's dangerous. Like you have to, I would just like talk to your doctor about like, what is like a safe amount of water to drink. I also need to talk to you about this Big Bat Cat Because I feel like kids were walking around calling their parents big backs for like a long period of time. And it made me think if I would have ever called my parent a big back, I wouldn't have lived to ever say it again. Same. Susie was neglectful, but she wasn't going to let me disrespect her. So that was going to be backhand straight to my face. But like, what's wrong with these kids? Why do they just like walk around thinking they can say whatever they want to say with zero regard? Is it the parenting or is it just kids today? I think it's both. I think parents today are more interactive with their kids. So on one hand, you have like the parents joking around with the kids, but then you also have the kids that are like blatantly disrespectful. And then there's like a lack of parenting, right? Like more so being their friend than their parent, if that makes sense. And so I don't know. I think it's like a millennial parent situation. It doesn't bother me. Like if Jackson says, Hey, big back, like, okay. It doesn't bother me. Like I, my kids are like witty and funny and they like joke around. So to me it doesn't, they know when it's the time and place, right? Like they're not going up to somebody they don't know and saying that, right? Like if they're joking with me, we just joke. Like it's funny, but they know there's a line like they don't cross the line. No, I feel like if he said that in front of other parents, if he was like, Hey, big back, be like, excuse me. Yeah, no, we're not. Yeah. You can't do that. Especially if you don't know. At home, then you can say big back. I need to know if you have the cussing car rule. Cussing car rule? What is that? Like you can only cuss in the car. No, I don't have that. I already, you already know. When I tried to let them cuss all the time and they, I thought it was going to desensitize them and then it got worse. So now, I mean, it does slip sometimes. But, ooh. I don't like we'll be driving down the road and somebody will slam on their brakes and Jackson will be like, what the fuck? I know we're going to get crucified for this. Also that there's a Morgan Wallen song. Ain't that some, ain't that some shit? I do let them say that. Like it's not my fault. A catchy song has the shit in it. You know what I mean? Like that's Morgan Wallen's fault. Take that up with that man. You know, not Morgan Wallen on today. don't let them listen to it then and i'm just making jokes it's not that deep it's like listen i could find way bigger issues honestly i have found way bigger issues and that ain't it no that's not it what the fuck not my you know what let me tell you something last night lincoln looks and creed all slept in my room okay they have moved the nugget couches into my room and just position themselves around the floor and they fall asleep. And last night we said, first one to fall asleep gets a prize. And here goes Lux, passed out, knocked out and forgot about the prize. Oh my God. Wait, so if they forget about it, you're not going to remind them? No. Oh, see, I have too much anxiety to do that. It's like, if I have promised something, I cannot, like, I will remind and be like, I know I said this, so I'm going to do this. I guess the responsibility falls on both of us. I didn't bring it up. Can you explain to me why your children are moving around portable furniture to sleep in your bedroom? I think it's one of those things where like, I actually don't know, to be honest. I was going to come up with some elaborate reason and they're just, I don't have one. I don't know. Like it started off over the, like on a weekend. and then I wasn't really allowing them to do it on school nights because like what kind of quality sleep are you getting on a nugget couch versus being in your own bed you know and then um last night Lux comes in he's like can I sleep in here and I'm like okay fine and then Lux and then Lincoln comes in and he's like well if Lux is sleeping in here I want to sleep in here and then here comes Critter Crat and he's like well I want to sleep in here so it's like I can't tell one yes and the rest? No. And so we just, it's fine because like, they're not going to do this forever. And it's like, imagine growing up and being able to say like, my mom let me sleep in her room as long as I wanted to. Like, I have no memories of that, right? Like I have no memories of like wanting to sleep in my mom's room and she letting me. Okay. So I have two feelings on it. And this is coming from like a co-sleeping mom, probably way past the point that we should have been co-sleeping, right? I believe everybody gets better sleep when they're in their own space. I do agree. But that's also coming from an adult. Like I know that I get better sleep as, you know, by myself, but my kids, I feel like kids can sometimes sleep better knowing they're with a parent. I do agree. But is that codependency? I would say not yet. I think there's, because they're still young like my kids are still young I mean if you're talking like 15 16 years old I would say yeah I would say that's like codependency now there's like maybe an issue but Lux and Lincoln I mean Lux and Creed are five and eight Lincoln's 12 and Lincoln more so like he just loves his siblings and his family in both households so much that I think it's more of just like a want to be with the family not necessarily like because he's always slept in his own room perfectly fine. You know, once he transitioned from co-sleeping to his bed, he was fine. I think now it's just more like, I don't have, like, I allow my kids in my bedroom. I saw this TikTok, I think it was, or an Instagram reel, something like that, where it's like, do you allow your kids in your bedroom? And then I was like, yeah, like there's this thing where like some kids are, their parents' room is completely off limits. Like you cannot go in your parents' room. Oh, wow. Yeah. That wouldn't work for me. No. When I tell you guys, I use every fucking square inch of my house. I'm talking every fucking inch of it. And my kids can too. I don't care who goes in my bedroom. Yes, it's my space where I sleep at night, but my kids are welcome to go in my room at any time. And I remember growing up, I wasn't really allowed in my mom's room. That's off limits. Don't go in there. There's nothing in there that I would need. I don't need to sleep in there. I don't need to cuddle with mom in there. I don't need to do that. Off limits, you're not coming in here unless someone's dying kind of thing. See, I just, I don't know about that. Jackson did sleep with me on Super Bowl night because he fell asleep in my bed. Okay. 13 years old, fell asleep in my bed while watching the Super Bowl, chastised me, don't really care. I am a strong believer since I moved into this house, he needs to be in his own room, sleeping most of the nights, obviously exceptions to the rule, needs to shower in his own shower. No one needs to be showering in my master shower. See, and that's the other thing. I would say five of my kids shower in my bathroom, shower or bathe in my bath. Yeah, I could not. I absolutely could not do that. But I'm also saying that coming from a place where Jackson was doing it until he was like 10. Okay. So, so he's done all, he's doing that stuff until 10. Now it's like, you're trying to phase it out. I can see that, right? Like Lincoln's 12, I'm sure by like next year or the year after that, like he's not going to want to be around his parents, right? Like any of us, he's going to want to just be with his friends, like that, that age where you're, you become a teen and you're more with your friends than you are with your parents. so like I'm soaking up the last like what I feel like is the last year of him doing this and I'm fine with it because I also like I won't see him all summer and things like that and so I'm soaking it up I don't care if he does it until he's 15 I don't know where like what how it all play out with like custody and like you know if he ends up at any point moving in with Javi for the school year and me with the summer like I'm just gonna soak up any fucking minute that I can so I think that I might have like an adjustment issue. Okay. Will and I moved from our first house that we bought when we were married and we had separated, got back together, built a new house. Jackson slept with us, like co-slept with us, never slept in his crib ever. He had a crib at that first house. I did not want him to get a big boy bed until we moved in to our new house. Then when Will and I got divorced, I was allowing Jackson to co-sleep with me all the time. He was showering in my bathroom. Then when I moved here, it was like the hard stop. You need to sleep in your bed. Your room is your space. Your bathroom is where you shower. but it's almost like I do like these big life events to get me to that place. I'm going to be so honest with you. You're better than me. I have no backbone. Um, when I sent the babies with Elijah this past weekend on Sunday, I said, I'm going to need you to take the bottles away. The Baba's have to go, but you, you got to do that. Cause I have no backbone. Will would say that I don't have one either. I have no back. Like I can't be the one And honestly, like I'm joking about it right now, but like it's not funny. Like it's really not. I used to have a backbone, but the older I get and the babies are like my last babies, like I'm never going to have another like cutesy wootsy little chicken nugget. And like, I don't, I can't say no to them, but Elijah is like, this is, this is, this is this. All right, parents, let's talk about choosing the right school for your kids, because that truly can change everything. and that is why so many families are turning to K-12 powered schools. These are tuition-free, online accredited public schools for kindergarten through 12th grade. If the traditional classroom isn't the perfect fit for your child, K-12 can help them thrive. K-12 knows that every student learns differently. So whether your child needs more flexibility or an education that is more personalized, K-12 will give them the support that they need. 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I want to say it was like a lollipop and Valley like handed me the trash. And he was like, no, you were going to go throw that away. Like he told Valley and Valley didn't want to do it. So he took her hand and he walked her to the trash. And he was like, you're going to throw it away. Like this isn't, you're not going to give your trash all. Right. But like for me, I would have been like, no, it's okay. I'll take it. I'll put it in the trash. See, that's me too. Actually speaking of that this morning, Jackson calls me on the way to school and he's like, mom, I need my basketball shoes and I need my uniform. And I'm like, I'm getting ready for stuff. You've got a whole day of school. I understand that we just found out they have playoffs this week. And we just found out last night that they have a game tonight. So of course the uniform wasn't washed. His basketball shoes are at my house. So got to get all that there. That was the intention of the phone call. In the midst of this phone call, he and Will are arguing over where Jackson's lunchbox is. And I'm like, what do you mean where his lunchbox is? You're three minutes from the school. He's like, I don't know. He's an idiot. I put it on the counter. And if he forgot it, then he's going to figure out what he's going to do for lunch. So meanwhile, me pushover, I'm on the school lunch account to make sure he has money on there so that he's not scrambling around when it comes to lunchtime. And Will's like, well, who cares he'll learn a lesson to be fair I am a big fan of like natural consequences we've talked about we've talked about this on here before like I am a fan of natural consequences so like I can also not have a backbone and also be like well that was your responsibility like especially with I don't know if Jackson ever played with like toy like little figures oh yeah superheroes power rangers like all that stuff like and so Lux and Creed specifically have really been big fans of those uh Elliot and Lincoln also were but like more of like the bigger ones where Lux and Creed like the little like mini ones not mini but like just like regular ones and they'll ask me do I know where whichever character is and I say I do not touch your toys those are your responsibility if you cannot find it that is on you well can we get a new one no put it on your birthday list put on your Christmas list? No. See, I'm big about like keeping the shit picked up because if you think that I will not walk through this house with a black trash bag on a random Saturday and start throwing shit away, you won't ever see it. There were like 3D printer shit that Jackson had made and they were just laying around the counter as if they were decorations that I don't want to look at threw them away. I just got the kids a 3d printer. Are they cool? Like, are they, they are really cool. Um, I don't know what brands that you got. I got toy box. Yeah, me too. I got the toy box brand. They actually sent it to us and I wanted to take like a video or whatever, but I, I want to do it when I have like time to actually like film it or whatever, but I'm excited. I just don't know. Does it take hours? No, actually the toy box is really, really fast in comparison, David's daughter has another brand of a 3D printer and hers takes a lot longer. And sometimes the texture of hers is very different than the toy. I prefer the toy box. I think it's great. And there's like different designs on there that it, let's say you're like, okay, it's time for you to put it away. You have one more design that you can do. They can pick like an eight minute design. It'll tell you how long it's going to take to print, or you can set it to print and then send them to bed and be like, it'll be done in the morning. Oh, okay. I think, so the kids go to their kids, the kids go to their dads this weekend. I don't know when this episode is airing. Maybe we could do it before they go, or maybe when they get back. I don't know, but I have it. And I just didn't know. Someone told me it took like hours and hours and hours. So I was like, I need obviously to spend time doing this when we have hours, but like based on what you're saying that might work. Okay. I'm excited. There's all different kinds of designs that you can do with various different times that it takes. Um, obviously the more intricate designs are going to take a longer amount of time. So always tell Jackson, like if you're in the mood to like start printing stuff, print all this stuff that takes the little bit of time while you're awake and then set the printer, you know, for like the longer time while you're sleeping. That makes sense. That's really cool. I'm excited. That's so cool. Um, I do have to tell you that I've literally been sick and cannot get better since what the first or second week of January. Like I'm going to go to the doctor again because I can't get rid of the cold. You should probably get labs done. I did. I just had labs done for my life insurance and everything came back like well within the normal range. Interesting. Cause if you're not, I mean, I know it's the season, but also that's concerning if you've like, cause you've had COVID you've had the flu, you've had all the things. So that's concerning. And like, I just can't get rid of the congestion. I don't know. I, I also, nobody told me that Adderall and Vyvanse. So I'm on, I switched from Adderall to Vyvanse. You just brought up congestion. That made me think of this. When I wake up in the morning and my, I obviously it's out of my system. My nose is always runny. Like people probably think I do cocaine. See, my nose is always runny, but that's because of my nose job. I think it's because of the Vyvanse Also I here to tell y I don know if I ever updated y on this podcast I didn talk about it I don think any other podcasts but if I did I sorry Um I did switch Everyone was telling me switched from Adderall to Vyvanse You won't be as mad. Like, cause I would be just like, not angry, but like kind of snappy at people. Um, and by people, I mean one person, AKA Ike. And so just like snapping, snapping, snapping. Everyone was like, Vyvanse is better. Vyvanse is better, better. Vyvanse is better, better. Vyvanse is not Vyvancing for me and I'm not I want to go back to Adderall Adderall worked and it wasn't broken and I just need to work on my fucking attitude with it but Vyvanse does not work for me in any way shape or form really not at all and I am currently taking 20 milligrams of Vyvanse versus 15 of Adderall and I was fine on 15 15 milligrams of Adderall which is like just above a child's dose. Vyvanse is not it for me. I mean, I think it's like different strokes for different folks, right? Sure. And I'm sure it works for whoever, like if you take Vyvanse and it works for you, great. Like I'm so happy for you. But when I tell you that, I would say the first entire week, it didn't work at all. So I started taking 20 instead of 10. Wow. Wait. So somebody messaged us. It was like, is Kiel on meth today? Yes, I'm methicated. Like, did you know that it's basically like meth? Yeah, I always make the joke that I'm methicated. Like I'm taking, it's like under a doctor's order. It's a specific, you know, dosage. I take X amount of days. Actually, I have been medicated for 41 straight days and I have not even taken one single weekend off. So you took it Monday through Friday and the weekends. Because before I like committed to this, I was kind of just taking it like as needed because the doctor had said it's like they consider it like a holiday drug. So like if you don't have to be productive on the weekends or whatever, you don't really have a reason to take it. You don't have to. But I wanted to see, you know, how much I could be productive, how well I could work essentially if I was just doing what I was supposed to do, which obviously has been working. I've been really productive. I feel like I focus better. I just all the things. And so, yeah, I even, but I don't notice like now when I, if I, for example, when I took the Vyvanse the first week that I switched, it was basically like, I wasn't medicated. And I broke down because I was like, I cannot believe that I've lived like this for so long. Now I cannot handle the chaos of not being medicated. Like it was, I mean, I full blown boohoo cried because I could not handle everyday life unmedicated. And I don't know how I raised seven kids up to this point. So I would just take it whenever I needed it versus every day. Now that I've taken it every day, I, it's just been life-changing for me. That's so good. But at the same time, you know how I feel about meds. I'm like, if I don't have to be on anything, then I'm not going to take anything. I'll just use it as a holiday drug. If I need to be real productive and then I'll take it. I don't know what the healthier option is. Jackson's doctor told me that if obviously we're his parents, so if he's at home, he doesn't need to be on any medication if we're fine with him not being on it. There's no reason for him to need to produce in life that well on a medication over the weekend. Don't really care. But I'm sure there will be a time when he's older that it would probably be better for him to be on it every day. I don't know if any of your kids are on medication or not, but I can tell you for the parents who think that their child needs to be on it, I strongly advise going and doing the full psychological testing for that. And I think that it is a huge benefit whenever it comes to school because you don't understand what their brain is struggling with, with them not being on it if they need to be on it. I wholeheartedly agree. And I even took Lindsay's recommendation and flew Lux down to Atlanta last year to have a multi-day evaluation. It was not a one size fits all. You go into this building and you get diagnosed the same day. It was not like that at all. Um, it was a couple of days. Um, and I recorded here with him with Lux the other day for my podcast and I could see, um, the difference, um, with him being unmedicated. Uh, and it was sad for me because I, I recognize patterns in him that I struggled with my whole life and just my mom didn't give a fuck. So I struggled a lot. And then, you know, obviously going into adulthood, it was also a struggle and just mass chaos all the time. And so I see what he struggles with now when he's not medicated versus when he's medicated. And he also notices the difference because he'll tell me. And so obviously it's not a one size fits all. You have to do what's best for yourself and for your kids and for your family. Once I switch back to Adderall for myself and I sort of get into a routine, I probably won't take it on the weekends unless I'm working because, I also don't want to develop any type of dependence or, uh, what is it like a tolerance? Cause I don't want to have to keep upping the dose either. So I feel like once I feel like I'm in a good place and I can take the weekends off, I'm going to just for that reason. Like, I don't want to, my sister was telling me about her, um, meds. And I mean, she was at like the highest dose that you could ever have for like Adderall or Vyvanse. Um, and it, at some points just stopped working for her. So like, I don't want to get to that spot. that's crazy wait all right y'all let's take a quick second to talk about one of my absolute favorite sponsors and that is quince quince is all about elevated essentials that feel effortless designed for layering and mixing and each piece helps build a timeless wardrobe made to last with versatile silhouettes thoughtful details the other kind of styles that you're going to want to wear again and again. All of my cashmere sweaters that are in my closet that I wear all fall and all winter are all from Quince. 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That's q-u-i-n-c-e.com slash coffee to get free shipping and 365 day returns, quince.com slash coffee. For people who are on the medications, do you prefer to take it every day or do you like taking it just the days that you have to be productive throughout the work week, like while you're working and trying to get stuff done? For me, I can't sleep on it. Oh, see, I, when I first, first started taking my meds regularly, I also had a hard time falling asleep. But then after probably like a week or two, I was fine to sleep by the end of the day. I will say the other day, I think it was Sunday, maybe I texted Alessandra. And I said, I don't have I, I'd have to scroll up. But I basically was like, 3pm on Sunday, I couldn't keep my eyes open anymore. I had to go to sleep and I had 20 milligrams of Vyvanse. And I was like, I have to lay down. And I had to lay down. I had to take a nap. I took like a two hour nap and then I was up for the Superbowl, but I, it was Vyvanse is not for me. And if you guys also don't know, like if you get evaluated or anything like that, or have your kids evaluated, you could also do, it's called genocide or gene sites, G E N E S I G H T to see which medication would be best for your specific biology. Vyvanse is clearly not that for me. Yeah, I don't, I can sleep on it. Now I can sleep at night and I apparently now I can sleep during the day on Vyvanse. So I don't know if you struggle with this at all with Lux, but I had a really hard time accepting the fact that we probably needed to go and get an evaluation. Had a really hard time just submitting to the fact of him being on a medication. I actually struggled more with once he got the diagnosis, knowing that he needed to take the medicine for him to be his best self. And when he first started taking it, I felt like it somewhat changed certain parts of his personality a little bit. And then when he got used to taking it, I noticed some of those personality things kind of coming back. And I don't know if it was his body like adjusting to the medication or what it was, but like I had a really, really hard time and Will wanted him to be put on medication way sooner than I did. We did not do that until he was in, I believe third grade. Okay. Lux is in third grade. So that that's around the time that I did it too. I just on Vyvanse it's not I'm not triggered as quickly but I'm also I'm not able to I'm just as forgetful as being unmedicated I'm just as like I can't finish a sentence all the time it just doesn't work the same way but I'm less triggered so it's really and then I've also fallen asleep on it so like I also I'm just like I think Adderall I'm gonna have to figure out like what triggers me and why snap so easily like a short fuse on Adderall it works for everything else it's just I don't know if there's something that I could do that's like in between the two. I don't know. I'm sure somebody who's listening probably also has some of those triggers and I have heard that that's common. Okay. Well now I know I'm not alone in that. That's just, if I know, I think that probably some of that, if I had to guess knowing you, it's probably because your mind is all over the place when you're not on it. And then when you are on it, you're able to think like in one straight thought. So I can imagine that like things that like pop up throughout the day would probably be triggering to you when you're not on the med, you, everything's going on around you that you're just like, what? You don't even notice. Yeah. Yeah. Literally that. Um, while we're on the subject of meds. I put this topic, I think I just saved it in my little album on my phone, but this family is suing a pharmacy over son's asthma death. And so it kind of fits into the conversation that we're having about meds, but also sort of just like this situation that we're in, in the economy and whatever. So he, this young person, I think he was 22 years old. Yep. 22 years old, he had health insurance, but he could not afford to refill his asthma inhaler after the cost went from $70 to more than 500. So even with insurance, he had to pay $500 for his inhaler. And then he had to choose between paying rent or getting his inhaler refilled. And ultimately he had to pick rent. He picked rent. And five days after his pharmacy visit last year, Cole had a severe asthma attack. He stopped breathing and collapsed. He never regained consciousness and died. And the doctors attributed this death to asthma. So the parents blame what they say. What they say is a dysfunctional system where medications can change in price overnight without notice. So he didn't even have the notice that he should have had. And so a part of the insurance system that many Americans don't know about was responsible for the spike in Kohl's inhaler prices. And I think that that is a wild, wild situation to be in. And I think that their family is right to sue whoever they need to sue for this because he's 22 years old. What the fuck do you want him to do? I just, I guess I don't understand why a prescription could be one thing. And then it goes up. I've heard this, um, have somebody in my family who's diabetic and a lot of diabetics can't afford the medication that they need to be able to survive and like live a healthy, productive life as a human being. I don't understand how they're not, what do they call it? Like limits on what they can raise the medications to. Like, why are there not any type of restrictions on like price, price gouging? If they're raising prices like that to $500, dollars, I'm sure the mentality probably is, well, they need it to survive. So they'll figure out how to pay for it. They need housing to survive too. So it's like, for me, I'm looking at the situation like, okay, if this was me and I have to choose, and I've been in a situation like this, not with an inhaler, but like, I've been in a situation where I have to choose between my housing and something else, my housing and my car, my housing and my schooling, my housing and whatever. If that was me between the inhaler or the housing, I also would have to choose the housing. Like, okay, I can try not to have an asthma attack the best I can. So I'm going to choose my housing and then try to come up with the money. But ultimately, if I drop dead, now you're not getting $70 every single time. And all it takes is what, five, six times for you to pay for your inhaler for, no, $70. Yeah. Five, six times you pay for it and you're almost at the 500. So you're going to make more money long-term keeping it at $70 versus everybody dropping fucking dead. It's just ridiculous because it should not even be a conversation. You shouldn't have to choose between a medication that you need to survive and your rent. Ever. I will never understand that. I know somebody that has dealt with significant, significant health issues, diabetic, and literally cannot afford the medication. So just keeps going in and out of the hospital due to the fact that they can't afford the medication. So they keep having all of these health things. that are going on because of it. Amputations, like all kinds of stuff. I just don't know what the solution is. I don't know. Big Pharma is not the solution. Wait, can we go back to the weekend? Tell me about Super Bowl and did y'all have predictions? Was it a split household? What went on? uh everyone in the house was hoping for the seahawks except for lincoln i was rooting for the underdogs because when they played each other patriots and seahawks played each other in 2015 the patriots won and so i was like oh if they're gonna do this rematch like almost 10 years later like i gotta root for the seahawks also i love the seahawks uniform so much they're my favorite uniforms in all of the nfl um were i got the the coin toss wrong i said it was gonna be tails. It was heads. I said it was going to be yellow or orange Gatorade. It was yellow. I said the confetti would be red and white. I don't know why I thought that, but it wasn't. And then I said the Seahawks were going to win. I said the national anthem was going to be just about two minutes. And then I was really just there for Bad Bunny. Honestly, the outrage about the Super Bowl really fucking pissed me off because, and we can get into that. What were your bets? I'll talk to you about Bad Bunny in a second. So my bet was that the Seahawks were going to win by at least three. Okay. Jackson thought that the Patriots were going to win. Okay. We bet each other 20 bucks. He actually delivered on his bet. Okay. Me being a pushover, I'm looking at the $20 that I put back in his stuff. Didn't keep it. He bet on, I don't know if y'all ever bet squares or anything, but it probably would be something that would be cool for y'all to do and incorporate at Killer Sports. Okay. And I can send you like a link on how you do it. But basically, most of our community goes to this one place to eat all the time. and it's a certain amount of dollars per square. And then you bet and then all the money goes into a pot and then you win based off of like certain things, whatever they're pulling for. And so I got a text at the end of the Super Bowl and the text was like, what's Jackson's initials that he would have put on the squares? And I was like, probably JTC, I don't know. And they were like, well, he won $125. dollars so he did give me twenty dollars that i gave him back and then he won 125 so now he's sitting at a solid 145 dollars for the super bowl period go jackson i mean he's the real winner here and we had chicken fried chicken and texas toast that's all we had um jackson actually said that he was really surprised. He said, you always do stuff like big for all events. Like everything is decorated and all your like pots that you put stuff in is always themed. So for like Easter like all of my stuff matches and Christmas all of my stuff matches And he was like I just surprised that you didn do like a big huge old spread And I like no I just I wasn feeling it this year I feel like I've been going through a lot of shit. And so I was like, we're just going to go to the local chicken shack and get us some fucking chicken. I made buffalo chicken dip. It was my first time making, like I did chicken breast. Next time I want to try it with a rotisserie chicken. I did like an actual chicken breast. Oh, much better. with the rotisserie i i think that it would just be easier to shred because like the chicken breast that i did it was not as easy to shred um it was okay i could do better and then ike made buffalo chicken wings lincoln made fried chicken lincoln's been begging and he does fried chicken with tenderloins he likes to do like basically like a fried chicken tender and i i didn't get to try them but um so that was what we did my nanny does that too with the tenderloins Yeah, I feel like it's because I don't really love meat off a bone. So it's better for me too. Like I am a flat girly. Now I will pick it off with a fork because I don't want to look like a Neanderthal somewhere. But I love a good flat piece of chicken off of a bone girl. This episode is sponsored by Better Health. We get it. February is full of flowers, candy, stuffed animals. 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That's BetterHelp.com slash coffee. well i want to talk about the super bowl halftime show really quick because i do have a lot to say i'm highly disappointed in our country and the outrage that has um just been ongoing since they announced bad bunny as you know the halftime show i'm specifically want to say something about jake paul jake paul has a lot of fucking audacity to be living in puerto rico to to benefit from tax loopholes and speaking out about bad bunny um the audacity that someone must have to do that when he just got his face rearranged by someone who is also hispanic like you put your money where your mouth is they're better than us they have more love than us you're a hateful person jake paul i don't fuck with you and nobody should fuck with him honestly in my opinion i'm not a fan of either of the paul brothers to be perfectly well logan paul came forward to basically go against what his brother had said. And I just, you cannot sit here and live in Puerto Rico and benefit from the island and the people and the culture in one way, and then speak out against Bad Bunny performing for the Super Bowl. Puerto Rico is U.S. territory. And at the end of the day, we're, the American government will use Puerto Ricans for labor, for war, for their food, their culture, all of the things. And that's all okay. But the second you give someone from Puerto Rico, the time for the halftime show, like Jake Paul, what was your, what was your take on YouTube performing halftime? Right? Like what's your take on Coldplay? What's your take on Rihanna? Right? Like none of them are US citizens, but we gave them, but because they're speaking in English or singing in English, it's okay. And it's always the fucking people. Like I saw this woman on Facebook who I know in real life. And she commented about how she did a post about all the things her daughter said, her small daughter. This is a mess. What are they saying? Why is it in English? And she's like laughing about it. I'm like, this isn't funny because you'll accept business from Spanish speakers. You will accept money from people who are not part of the U.S. They're immigrants, right? You'll accept money from them to spend money in your businesses. You'll go to Puerto Rico. You'll go to Spain for vacation. You'll go to, you know, Uruay. You'll go wherever, Panama you'll go to Costa Rica and that's all fine you like Mexican food don't let me catch you at a Mexican restaurant around here because I will call you the fuck out and so anyone that is going to Nicaragua Argentina Costa Rica Guatemala Venezuela Puerto Rico Mexico Panama El Salvador Honduras Ecuador Spain Uruguay Paraguay Cuba Chile Peru Dominican Republic any of those places and you're bitching about that number one I felt like that that halftime show was better than better produced I guess than any halftime show I've seen in a very very long time and Jackson was dancing to it he said this is cool like look at those trees out there moving that's people. It was the bushes. I honestly, as a country was very proud in the moment until after the moment. I just don't understand the outrage, right? Like, are the same people speaking out about Bad Bunny? Are they also speaking out about the Epstein files? Are they also talking about that all the white people who are criminals and sexual predators? And where's the outrage for that, right? Like there's rumors going around about LifeTouch, the owner, the CEO of LifeTouch, which has taken all of our kids' photos at school for school picture day in the Epstein files, right? Like Donald Trump, who else was named in the Epstein files that are Jay-Z. Like you're more worried about someone who speaks Spanish, who is putting out a message about, you know, inclusion with Lady Gaga and Ricky Martin, and just telling the story of people from Puerto Rico. And we can benefit that from them, making them a U.S. territory, making Puerto Rico a U.S. territory to benefit the United States. But you're not going to treat the people that are from Puerto Rico with respect and fucking dignity. Like, I just can't wrap my head around the outrage because it was in Spanish. No, it's because he's considered brown. It's because he's, you know, not white. That's really what the outrage is. And nobody wants to look at themselves in the mirror and say that out loud is you are fucking racist. And that's the bottom line. I just don't understand why people had or are holding the position that they had when I felt like he was more inclusive to everybody in this country and what he did than anybody else that I've ever seen. 1,000%. 1,000%. But also, the same thing happened last year with Kendrick Lamar. He makes a statement. People didn't understand it. They hated it. You don't actually hate the message. You don't understand the message. And you're racist. Because... That will forever be my favorite video where people put Kendrick Lamar up on the screen. Like they green screen it from his Super Bowl performance. And she's like walking around like with his legs all crazy. Like it's like my favorite thing in the world. I just, it doesn't make sense to me. And honestly, the message was so loud that I just can't understand how people didn't get it. And I, I am unfriending people on Facebook because of it, because you're not about to play in my, in my face. The same woman that was talking about her daughter with all the comments about the show. Her daughter is the same age as my kids. and you're teaching your daughter hate and you're teaching your daughter ignorance. And I had to unlearn a lot of that ignorance that I grew up having. And I'm not, you've accepted money from me knowing that my kids are black and brown. My kids went to your camp and you accepted money and they come from Spanish speaking families. Like you accepted money from us and now you're talking shit and playing my face. No. Now I question how my kids were treated while they were at your camp. Now I question what type of treatment did you give to my children while they were there? I've had to learn, and I say old age, but 36, that some people just will never change. Some people will never evolve. Some people will never look at things in a positive light. People on the internet are going to do and say whatever they want to do for whatever a reason that they want to fucking do it. The question I have is why? Like these people, grown adults that are listening to this podcast, if you were outraged by the Superbowl, okay. By the halftime show with bad bunny performing and singing in Spanish, I want you to look in the mirror and I want to, I want you to ask yourself, why do I believe these things? Why am I outraged by this? Okay. I want to know, like, ask yourself why, if you can ask yourself why, I feel like you're already on, you're already on the path to changing your mindset, right? I got a message. I posted a lot on my personal Facebook page about the whole situation, which shouldn't even be a situation, right? Like, I don't give a fuck what language you speak. Like, if it's a vibe, I'm going to participate. And this message is from a friend that used to live in my neighborhood and our kids went to school together. And she said, I have a few friends who finally woke up and saw that what they were a part of. Ignorance, selective ignorance, willful ignorance and finally straight up bigotry anyone on the ignorant side of the spectrum has hope of turning someday because they don't want to be bad or be wrong right they're staying ignorant because it feels good and safe which again is a psychology thing right the mere thought of them being racist or fascist in any fast fascist or fascist or any pedophile protectors is so utterly painful and shameful and uncomfortable for them that they choose to keep the bubble intact to protect their fragile egos. So if there's a chance of them waking up with a period of grief or pain, as they reckon with their complacency, why can't I speak today? Complicency? Complicency. No, it's not complacency. Complicity. Complicity. It's pathetic, really. Love the flags. And so she was just, we were just talking about it. And I just, there has to be a reason why you believe the certain things that you believe, right? Like, and I talked about it recently about some of the comments I've made over the years on Teen Mom, and they're embarrassing. And I had to come to a place of like, where, how did I get to that mindset? What was, what was my childhood like? Why did I think these things? Right. And so start asking yourself those questions. You can recover. You can fully like learn about implicit bias. You can learn about, you know, your ignorance and whether it's selective or willful, or do you want to change? And I think that's the question is like, if you can get to the place of why do I feel this way, there is hope that you can change your mind. I always look at other people. And I don't know if you do this as a mom, but like, since I had a child, I always look at other people. They could be the same age as me. And to keep me from like wanting to do anything mean, I always tell myself, well, that's somebody's child. Like, think about that, right? Like that's somebody's fucking kid that you're talking about on the internet for what for what because he's portereen actually i i challenge and encourage anyone who's listening to this to go on tiktok and pull up um the co one of the co-hosts from the view and i absolutely loved her position on the bad bunny situation what did she say I will send it to you and then we will also post it and I'll post a link for everybody to be able to see it. But it was just I mean, it was long winded, but it was so spot on. And I feel like if everybody just watched and listened, then they might have a different perspective. Well, my fingers are crossed that I changed at least one person's mind about it because it's not that deep. 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That's ro.co slash coffee combos to get started on Roe. We are going to talk about the Epstein files on next week's episode because I have quite a bit to say about it, but I did want to get to the Nancy Guthrie stuff. Have you been watching that? I followed it a little bit. I do know that her mother has been missing. I did go down, excuse me, I did go down a rabbit hole where they were saying that maybe her son-in-law had involvement. But then the last update I got was that no suspects were, like, nobody was a number, like, what is the word? It's really wild to me how this all went down. So I don't know if you know the history of Savannah Guthrie. She is a Today Show host. Okay. And she, I believe, if not the first, one of the first to interview Epstein Files victims. And I didn't know that. Yeah. So she did. And then when all of this new Epstein Files stuff recently dropped, some conspiracy theorists, and I'm not really calling them conspiracy theorists because it could be true. but people are calling them conspiracy theorists, that this has a link to the dropping of Epstein files and Savannah doing those interviews with some of the victims. I could kind of get behind that. That would be the only thing that logically would make any type of sense to me to take an 84 year old woman. There were some theories out there. I posted about this over the weekend and some people were saying they believe for for sure it was the son-in-law um some people say that they think it was the cartel and i'm like what business would the cartel have to come to some 84 year old woman's house smash cameras and steal her with like a long list of medical issues like i just don't think that's the case do we know and this is me literally asking because i don't know. Is there any, when you say medical situations, is dementia part of that at all? No. Okay. Cause I, when I was a kid, a family friend who had either dementia or Alzheimer's or something, she would leave the house in the middle of the night, not my house, but our family friend's house. And ultimately I think she passed away. And then Elijah had a family member who had dementia that like basically escaped the house and passed away. So I don't, I didn't know if maybe that could be. There, the reports that I have read that there are no types of issues like that. She did have a pacemaker that either was linked to her phone or her Apple watch. And they realized that the pacemaker no longer was reporting because the devices, I guess, how they were synced were no longer close enough together for it to continue to report. So whoever did do this, they were somewhat smart. I mean, we're going on day 10 at this point that she has been missing. And I am just mind blown because you and I have talked so much about like anywhere you go, if you try to commit a crime, chances are like there's going to be a camera that catches you, they have absolutely no leads. Like in her neighborhood, there are no leads to any vehicle. There are no leads to anything. So before the cameras were smashed, there's no record of anybody. Cause like when you go up to a camera to smash it, there has to be video of you going up to the camera. So apparently her ring camera was on a Subscription. Supposedly the subscription was not paid last month. So it didn't save the stuff only in real time happening, which makes me believe it's an inside job. Because that would be such a wild coincidence that you accidentally because also surely someone in their eighties that has a ring subscription I would guess obviously I not I don have the world greatest memory but I would assume that someone would have set that up for her or she would have set that up on auto draft for the bill to be pulled regardless. That's what I said. That, you know, you don't want to forget. So you set it up on auto draft. That would be one of them for my 85 year old mother, right? Like I would make sure that that is taken care of. And so that would make me think that that is an inside job or some... I know that Ring cameras themselves have had so many lawsuits and like big time lawsuits that it is possible that maybe it was an inside job, but they had connections with whatever that is with Ring because Ring has been corrupt in the past. So supposedly like her floodlights, I guess, were smashed. also the I don't know if the ring doorbell was smashed or it was actually taken but as far as the subscription it was not paid for and the last month which really like threw up major red flags for me but I'm going to just like tell you some of the details and the timeline of what happened so 84 years old she was reported missing on February 1st from her home in Tucson Arizona authorities describe the case as a possible kidnapping or abduction, and there have been reports of ransom notes. She was known to have last visited family January 31st and returned home that evening. She was reported missing in the afternoon of February 1st after not showing up to church. It says that at 5.32 p.m. on Saturday, January 31st, she left her home in an Uber to go to a local family members home for dinner and playing games with the family and just visiting. It says that authorities did speak with the Uber driver and he said without providing specifics on that conversation. He said, you know, confirmed the time stuff without really providing any specifics. 9.48 p.m. on January 31st, she was dropped off at her home where she lives alone. The garage door open and at that time it closed two minutes later. Sunday, February 1st at 1 47 a.m. her doorbell camera was disconnected. It said the doorbell camera has not been located and noted that there were multiple cameras at the home. At 2 12 a.m. software detects a person on camera but there is no video available. It is not clear which camera detected the person. It says the camera had no subscription. And that's possible that an animal triggered the software, which I don't believe that. I don't believe it was an animal. I believe it was whoever was there that got her. Wait, hold on. Because who dropped her off at home? Her friend? I am unclear on who dropped her off at home. I think that it possibly was like a family member that she was like at their house and then they dropped her off. I think I read and obviously you're updating me in real time. So like, you might know more than I do. I read that it was she was with the son in law, which is why, which is why I think he was originally like people were questioning him. And by people, I mean, general public, because I didn't read anything about him actually being like questioned or a person of interest. I don't know. But who in their right mind? Right. And I'm not trying to be rude when I say this, like who in their right mind is dropping an 80 something year old woman off outside and not physically walking her inside, no matter what day or time it is. I completely agree with that. That was one of the questions that I have as well. And I'm just thinking of my nanny's age. I couldn't imagine her getting in an Uber at five something PM to go to a family's home. Wait, this is an Uber? She rode an Uber to the family's home. I am unsure on how she got back home, but I did see one report and allegedly, I believe it was said that the brother-in-law dropped her back off at the house, saw the garage door go up and it closed two minutes later. If that is the case, if that is the case, he can go fuck himself because why are you not walking your 80-something-year-old mother-in-law to her door? I don't – you should have walked her inside the house. Like I don't care if there was even evidence that something happened or not. I mean she's in her 80s for fuck's sake. This is why I don't want to live that long because nobody's about to drop me off at my fucking door. You said this is why I don't want to live that long. So it says 2.28 a.m. We're still on February 1st. Her pacemaker disconnects from her phone. 11.56 a.m. Her family goes to check on her at the home and discovers that she's missing. What time? 11.56 a.m. So after she did not go to church, I'm going to assume that like maybe church service would have been around like 9, 9.30. when she didn't go to church, I think the family or whatever family members goes to check on her at 11 56 AM at 12 and 3 PM, a nine one one call was made and the deputies arrived about 10 minutes later. It says that what they have uncovered so far is that she was possibly in taken in the middle of the night, and that would include a possible kidnapping or abduction. It says the sheriff said that blood was found on the porch outside of Guthrie's house and tested positive for her DNA. He said they would not comment on whether there was forced entry to the home. Her cell phone was left at home and is now in the possession of authorities. There has been no suspect or person of interest being identified. It says that nobody has been ruled out. We're actively looking at everyone that we come across in this case. The blood on the porch is concerning. Does it say how much blood? So I actually saw some like photo video stuff and it looked like it was like on the porch leading like outside of the house. So maybe something happened to her while she was inside the house and then it was like right outside the door. There was a rather large splatter. In my opinion, it looked rather large. And then there were smaller splatters after the large splatter. I didn't want to believe that it was the brother-in-law. and then part of me still believes that it might not be because there was ransom notes and stuff sent after the fact that the brother-in-law's devices and stuff were seized which is not to say that somebody else couldn't have been involved and he could have communicated to those people in a different way I just don't know like call me crazy and call me woo-woo but I think this is something political. I don't know enough about it to even have thought about that. So I'm not going to say either way. I just hope that she's found. And I hope that, I mean. And like, what is wrong with people to just go to an 84 year old woman's house and just take her? And how did they get, how did they get anywhere with her? Like there is no, I mean, think about it. If it, it wasn't a neighborhood, right? But eventually they're going to hit like main roads and streets and there's going to be cameras and whatever, no vehicle. That's a good point. You said it, it was in a neighborhood or it wasn't in a neighborhood. It wasn't a neighborhood. Because even where I live, the neighbor across the street, if they have a ring camera, it's going to get the comings and goings of my house and elijah's house so if it's in a neighborhood there had to have been yeah like where how did they get her unless her car unless their car was in the garage but wouldn't someone yeah like that doesn't make any sense you know what i mean like wouldn't wouldn't something have been caught like whether it was a person on foot or I mean think about all the other cases and stuff that we have covered like there's been a car scene on a video there's been a person on foot on a video there's been like some type of I mean I just brought it up the other week when we talked about something the Chris Watts they bring cameras around we got him getting something lifting something into the bed of his truck like and it was grainy but like you could see it same thing for this like that does not make sense to me And what really pisses me off about this entire situation outside the fact that she's 84 years old and just at this point of her life, not that anybody should be bothered, but 84 years old, like don't fucking bother an old lady. The fact that somebody sent a fake ransom letter to a news station is wild to me. This is giving, I just watched on Netflix, there's a show called Homicide and it was like the LA one. and it was a Fox exec, Fox News, Fox TV exec, was in sort of some love triangle situation, an affair on his wife. The woman that he had an affair with, her boyfriend ends up killing him and multiple people help him. And it was years and years before they finally nailed down the person who did it, which was the boyfriend of the woman he had an affair with. And he kept, like several people were involved in this and like storing the body. And they ultimately, the body was in a car, in his own car in a storage unit in LA. And it took years for them to solve it. But that's, it's sort of giving that, like somebody knows something and they're not sharing it. And I like, when someone tells me not to tell anyone, I'm telling my boyfriend or my best friend. Do you know what I'm saying? So like somebody knows something and they're not speaking up. Like you aren't safe if you tell me something, because I'm definitely telling Keel or David. Facts, like I'm telling something. Like this is not going unscathed. There is no situation that is not going to be coming up in conversation. I can promise you that at this point. I, they did say that, um, they saw, uh, a large group of like law enforcement officers at a circle K. Okay. So I'm wondering if there's any type of like tip of some type of vehicle and they were trying to get like surveillance and stuff like that. I'm not sure, but it says that what they don't know is that how could somebody have entered her home at that hour? What actually happened to her doorbell camera? What caused her home camera to detect movement at 212 in the morning? The camera of, because it was multiple, was sent to a technology company and it's said to have exhausted all options and methods to be able to recover video from the device. And they also don't know if any of the reported ransom letters are actually legitimate. What I will say is one of the ransom letters had requested money and they put USD. So they said a homicide, retired homicide detective said that that was kind of giving, maybe it was somebody out of the country, because why would somebody in the country say like US dollars? Yeah, but it could also just be to throw somebody off. Off. Yeah. Right? Like, look at JonBenet Ramsey. I don't- I was just thinking of that. I don't care what new evidence people bring. I don't give a fuck. That was an inside the home job that was done by a family member. And that ransom letter was written by Patsy. That is my theory. I'm sticking to it. I will never change it. I don't care how much evidence comes out. So, I mean, if you're well-traveled, like you could be literally from America and be well-traveled and say USD or US dollars. I mean, I have been guilty of saying that several times kind of recently. I mean, to me, that's like the equivalent of saying, sending an email and me knowing that I'm sending an email to somebody who works on the East Coast and I say EST. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Like you just need to cover all bases so that there's no confusion, you know, and I like, I can't, I don't know. Something feels like, what would the cartel want with an older woman? Like it doesn't, I don't. I'm just thinking like if Coffee Convo's podcast was the cartel, are we stealing an 84 year old woman? I don't think the cartel was it. The cartel is the cartels because there's multiple. I don't know that they're worried about somebody that has nothing to do with them. Right. Like, I don't know that that's not their MO. Like, they have bigger fish to fry. It's just a weird coincidence to me. And again, call me a conspiracy theorist. Call me woo woo. Just weird at the time that the recent Epstein file stuff dropped. and the connection with Savannah Guthrie's reporting and an 84 year old woman just going missing. Like, is that, is that like a warning sign to be like, don't continue doing this? I mean, what else can they steal if they took her mother? But then we're talking about all these people that have been named in the Epstein files. And you're worried about this 80 something year old woman because of a news anchor, like a Today Show host. I just don't like so many bigger people have been named and so many other concerning things have come out. Like this just feels like a weird, I don't know. I think that Savannah, she is a Today Show host, but I think she's actually like a journalist and an attorney as well. Okay. And so, I don't know. Maybe with the new stuff coming out, maybe there was fear that she was going to interview more people. I don't know. I just don't think that like some 84-year-old woman just goes missing in her Tucson, Arizona home. No, that's really weird. You know what I mean? Yeah. But on that note, we have foul play and we will be covering some of the Epstein files on next week's episode. Period. Okay. So for the foul play, when my boyfriend and I were 19, he took me out to eat at Applebee's where I ate an entire chicken Alfredo plate. Sounds like kale. We then went and grabbed ice cream at our favorite spot after. We went back to his house and commenced to getting it on. I started to suck his dick. He's not small by any means. So it went down my throat when he would go all the way in. Well, my dumb ass decided to be brave and show off and deep throat him over and over until I threw up noodles and cookies and ice cream all over him and the bed. I was so embarrassed. I immediately sat up where then I kept throwing up onto the floor. Instead of being an asshole or grossed out, he sat up, rubbed my back with throw up all over his dick still. He wiped it. He wiped off the vomit from him and told me to stay there and he'll bring me water and a towel. He threw the comforter into the laundry room, cleaned up and managed to get me back in a couple minutes with water and hand towel to wipe my mouth. I was crying out of embarrassment and just throwing up. And he told me that it was okay because even with the vomiting on him, I was one of the best blowjobs he'd ever had while it lasted. He remade the bed with clean sheets and blanket and we watched TV for the rest of the evening. Fast forward to 14 years, we're now married and expecting our first child. And no, I did not learn my lesson the first time. I have in fact thrown up on him two more times since and he's always a good sport about it. Ladies and gents, don't eat a full plate of Alfredo and ice cream and then suck a good dick. you will throw up on it wait i need to know people who are listening to this women specifically um ryan this would apply to your wife i want y'all to ask your husbands or your boyfriends or your hookup or whatever like i can't understand men wanting blowjobs over sex you want a blowjob over sex he wants both thank you guys for always supporting our show please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app. Follow and rate on Spotify or listen wherever you get your pods. For our latest merch, visit coffeecombospodcast.com to shop. Full video episodes are available on Kale's Patreon at patreon.com slash Kale Lowry. Please don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us in our community. Kale, where does the Big Back hat come from? KaleLowry.com. So you guys make sure you go get you a Big Back hat for all of you big backs. 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