Cars for Swinging?; Puncture; Mecum Results; More!
117 min
•May 21, 202610 days agoSummary
The Smoking Tire covers the sold-out Notice Canyon watch, a new manual BMW M3 CS from a listener, insane Mecum auction results including a $10M Ferrari Enzo, and various car culture discussions including swinger car recommendations and EV racing implications.
Insights
- Luxury collectible cars are now treated as alternative asset classes by ultra-wealthy individuals, with financial advisors recommending purchases based on stability rather than appreciation
- Watch design optimization at 500cc per cylinder displacement appears to be an industry standard, suggesting engineering consensus around ideal power unit sizing
- Quality control improvements in mass production can be achieved through reducing customization complexity rather than increasing manufacturing sophistication
- Lightweight sports cars struggle commercially because consumers perceive value in features rather than weight reduction, limiting market demand despite enthusiast preference
- Modded cars retain value longer when kept by original owners, making early modification investment more economically sound than buying pre-modded vehicles
Trends
Ultra-high-net-worth individuals using rare Ferrari and exotic cars as stable alternative investments with professional financial guidanceManufacturer shift toward limiting customization options to improve quality control and reduce supplier complexityGrowing adoption of PTS (Paint to Sample) colors as status signaling in luxury automotive, creating exclusive color-focused communitiesElectric vehicle racing as potential solution to noise-restricted racetracks, opening new revenue streams for facilities facing neighborhood oppositionIncreasing pressure on automotive enthusiasts to justify keeping modded cars versus selling for newer models, despite economic disadvantages of selling
Topics
Notice Canyon watch design and market performanceBMW M3 CS manual transmission specifications and performanceFerrari Enzo auction results and pricing trendsMecum Supercar auction market analysisWatch chronograph operation and maintenanceSkyline R32 vs R34 GTR comparison for import buyersCorvette C5 pace car track modificationsMitsubishi Lancer vs EVO design and performance differencesSwinger car selection by price pointLightweight sports car market demandPorsche PTS color customization trendsElectric vehicle racing noise reduction benefitsModded car ownership economicsSubaru STI future design expectationsAlfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio reliability improvements
Companies
BMW
New M3 CS manual transmission model discussed as product from listener who works as product manager at BMW
Ferrari
Multiple models (Enzo, California Spider) featured in Mecum auction results with record-breaking sale prices
Notice
Watch manufacturer producing the Canyon diver watch and upcoming fjord model with Swiss movements and custom assembly
Mecum Auctions
Auction house hosting supercar sales with significant price escalations year-over-year
Porsche
Discussed for PTS (Paint to Sample) customization options and rare shade collector community
Rolex
Submariner thickness and design compared to Notice Canyon diver watch specifications
Mitsubishi
Lancer and EVO design comparison highlighting transformation through styling and performance upgrades
Toyota
GR86 and potential MR2 revival discussed as lightweight sports car alternatives in current market
Subaru
STI future design expectations and comparison to BRZ platform for potential manual transmission models
Alfa Romeo
Giulia Quadrifoglio reliability improvements after 2020 production reorganization reducing customization options
Mac Tools
Mobile tool franchise business model discussed as alternative automotive industry entrepreneurship opportunity
Willow Springs International Raceway
Track facility discussed for amenities and current operational status during off-peak weekday hours
People
Scott
Contest winner who created manual transmission M3 CS prototype with custom specifications
Seth Weisman
First openly gay brother at Tau Epsilon Phi fraternity at Penn, mentioned in historical context
West
Watch company founder who engineered Canyon diver and upcoming fjord model with custom specifications
Cullen
Notice watch company co-founder involved in product design and assembly in Los Angeles
David Lane
Instagram fashion guide for larger men's clothing and styling, recommended for weight loss wardrobe transition
Jerry Horton
Papa Roach guitarist mentioned for potential concert collaboration opportunity
Spike Ferristan
Press launch companion for Ferrari 849 Spider drive and Indianapolis 500 attendance
Quotes
"Light is really hard man and there's not a lot of profit in light. People say they love it but they're not willing to pay a fortune for it."
Host•Lightweight sports car discussion
"If you're worth 200 million dollars and you think this car will not really go down much, your financial advisor would just say buy it."
Host•Luxury car investment discussion
"The longer you keep a modded car, the better your value is on your mods because no one you sell that car to is going to give you any value for those mods."
Host•Car modification economics
"It's one thing if you have 40 cars, but when it's like dude when you've had a car that's 12 years old and it's got a thousand miles on it, what are you doing?"
Host•Low-mileage collector car criticism
"The problem is capitalism always beats car enthusiast. It's so profitable to buy one of these things and then just park it."
Host•Collector car investment trends
Full Transcript
Alright folks, on this episode of the podcast, the final notice canyon and therefore the entire range has sold out. I've learned some things about what's broken on my Tycon. A fan of the Smoking Tire podcast has brought to market an incredible new product from BMW and we go through the insane results of the Meekum Supercar sale. It's the Smoking Tire podcast, let's go! Guys, the Smoking Tire is giving away a 992.1 Turbo S in partnership with Dream Giveaways. We're giving away a $275,000 car with some slick choice mods. The proceeds benefit charity and you don't have to buy any merch, it's a straightforward entry process. So hit the link in the show notes and get entered to win today. I just found out that I can just like have breakfast burritos like waiting for me at the track like if I want. Oh wow, that's nice. Yeah, so I was just like hey, is it what time does the diner open like for breakfast or lunch? I was like you know breakfast and they're like oh well do you want to just like have burritos and coffee at the at streets when you get there and I was like I can do that and they're like yeah and I was like okay. It's funny watching a wealthy person be introduced to the rich life. You don't know what the amenities are like. No, I'm normal. Not like there's levels to this shit and I'm only on a little bit up level. It's also when we go there right now it's kind of empty so you don't really know what is available. Right, it's like it's not like there's a breakfast that's there for everybody every day. It's like they're gonna wait they're gonna do all this just for me and you're feel a little I feel a little weird because I didn't write the check you know. It feels like you know recently they just rebuilt a shopping center around here the one with the FedEx and the motorcycle store and you know they have all this like scaffolding in front but all those things say business is open during. Yeah, I feel like Willow Springs is like oh no the like the restaurant's open but it's just very quiet here and there's a lot less happening you're not sure. Dude on a Wednesday you know going out at 9 a.m. on a Wednesday if you're not if you're not bringing your own friends like who the fuck else is gonna be out there I mean I grew up at I grew up at hoity-toity-ass private country clubs golf clubs and I could walk up and no tea time and play at 9 a.m. on a Wednesday my whole life because all the members are at work. Yeah yeah yeah the like I got I got real spoiled like reality hit me hard when I came to LA and and did not have some kind of private golf club access like even in college in college I went to you know a lot of a lot of in Philly a lot of kids were local they were they were from the suburbs of Philly like all these feeder schools so a bunch of them belonged to you know local-ish golf clubs so I was able to like get some golfing in college with my with my friends which was pretty cool actually and we actually we even drove we were like already old we like drove on some golf trips as well one of my pledging things that we drove like like like a road trip to a golf course okay like and I summer but for a different sect all right so here's where it relates to cars I had my mercury mountaineer we've talked about in college my drug dealer mobile fucking epic drug dealer mobile the most perfect Philadelphia drug dealer car that exists ever in history it was great and three rows TVs in all of them and so you know I was in this fraternity and I was never like a gung-ho fraternity but but I was the social chair which meant I was in charge of parties which is a pretty if you must be in a fraternity be the fucking social chair you're literally in charge of all the money for partying it's the best job that exists in being in a fraternity and so when I became a what are the that an elder like a junior in college was like an elder person of fraternity you know you when there's pledges you can have them like do stuff for you yep and a lot of people were like mean to the pledges you know they there's that weird cycle of violence that happens with pledging where you know people get fucking forced to drink and the shit beat out of them and do weird stuff doing pledging and they can't fucking wait to do that same shit to the next group people when I was finished with pledging I wasn't like I was like I want to do this to some other people I don't like the peanut butter it's like gross I know I don't I don't want to like have a bunch of like slaves like I'm not about that so a couple of times like for I thought of like fun things for a pledge to do for me where the pledge would have a good time so like for the only real thing I had a pledge to do was me and my buddy Jeff Jeff Miami Jeff we were going to go to from Philly to my parents house in South Carolina by car to play a round of golf and I had a pledge put on a suit oh and a hat and show for you show for us in the truck and me and Jeff sat in the back with my other buddy and puffed L's and just watch movies for 9.6 hours you just watched the fray knows the whole way yeah basically the whole seat we watched all like all of season three is the fray knows like a half ounce of herb this and this you know freshman fucking drove us and of course we weren't we weren't dipshits like he stood the freshman like stayed at the house with us and like we invite he played golf with us we had a very good time he had the best time ever like he had a great time like he just had to do most of the driving you know like it was it was pretty awesome like that's that's about the extent of my pledge abuse yeah that's pretty good and when I was a freshman I started selling weed when I was a freshman so I was selling weed during pledging so the only thing I was ever asked to do as a pledge was yo bring weed bring weed yeah that was yeah and so I'm seen as an adult immediately yeah so I I was I fucking sailed through through our pledging but yeah the cycle of violence that you see in like households with alcoholics and abuse of like that plays out in in full in two years in in in a fraternity our house was small like when I joined it was like 20 people and it was you know started by entrepreneurial nerds and they were like much nicer than what became of the house when it quickly grew sure like three years later so there wasn't much of that there were but there were like two people you could see had the eye and the attitude of like I can tell these folks what to do you know like your parents bought your brand new car like you're not tough and I know exactly what I'm talking about but they really like wielding that power for the two years they had it and maybe they went on to a job where they have you know I don't know if they became cops yeah you know yeah but um our fraternity actually you know fraternities all get a really bad rap mostly mostly deservedly so I'm not here to defend the fraternity system at all and in fact I didn't even stay for senior year but our fraternity in particular which was Tao Epsilon Phi at Penn we had uh we were like fully like multi-racial like there were the black people Indian people Asian people white people Hispanic people we had the first as far as we could find the first openly gay brothers this was 2001 first openly gay brothers of any fraternity in the history of Penn we had to make a rule that brothers couldn't hook up with pledges actually because there was a because it's like there's like a power dynamic and it that that is not unless the power is coming from the bottom as always sunny it's right no no but let's just say that that was not who now wasn't to rule uh written in blood per se oh it was preemptive it was preventative it was a preventative yes it was thought through it was a preventative yeah it was a preventative we had because after we had the first gay pledge shout out to Seth Weisman who I also went to high school with and then ended up in my fraternity as the first openly gay brother but um when he literally at the end of pledging were like we have to make a rule so you can't take pledges next year then he's like oh yeah that actually makes sense yeah it was all right it was okay it was very progressive situation it's very good yeah we had an openly gay pledge too in 2003 I think and it was very funny with the way like most of the house was like yeah sure whatever and a couple people were like you know it's against my beliefs of this or that and I felt very encouraged when that argument people believe what they want but when you're like part of a democratic system yeah I got laughed at quorum laughed it away like for sure yeah no there's others in the making that one rule it actually was not that big of a deal but uh that making what making a pledge drive me to uh to South Carolina for a round of golf was was I think a good use of a pledge my first turbo car driving experience was when I was a pledge I think and I got to drive shout out oven I know you're listening oh yeah let me drive you know oven I do let me drive his eclipse gst oh do to go get alcohol when he was like 21 and I was like this is awesome he never let me drive it again in college was it a first or second jet first gen first gen oh yeah like the eagle we drove oh yeah look the same power seat belts I think power seat belts very tall shifter like very dildo very dildo very pull this lever to open hatch bucket and type of lever extremely uh which I remember I looked at when I've driven like I don't know 10 cars at this point that all have shift knobs not a shift lever so that was weird but when turbo hit I was like oh this this is spicy calm down yeah man my friend Brandon had the eclipse GS non-turbo automatic you want to talk about a car there was the vibradiest car all the reliability of Mitsubishi with none of the joy great oh yeah Brandon's Mitsubishi was tough dude it was bad they've made some man when you see like a regular Lancer like oh yeah from the early odds yeah and then you see what was turned into the EVO and you go man they did great work with like that surgeon with the body cladding and the wing yeah transformed the base Lancer dollars look looking car it's like an like an EVO 8 but in base Lancer that a base Lancer from that year is one of the saddest cars imaginable like if you if you asked me to draw me failure on wheels yeah draw me the cheapest gray car you can that is a that's a sad looking car it just looks it looks so short and stubby yeah it's like a Corolla on lithium it's yeah it really is like this whole hood looks it looks like they found wheels at the factory that were too small and put them on anyway you know this should have 16s because of this front end those are like 14s probably those are bad but then but then you have the EVO 9 like dude just put the EVO 9 just like give me any EVO yeah any EVO right you widen the fenders you give me some vents little aggression in the low nose or the right wheels i mean look they also change the headlight design exactly the same by the way the shape of the roof is exactly the same the hood lining trunk line are exactly the same i think the hood they change because the see how the lights wrap up onto the hood in the regular lancer and then here they're horizontal oops oh hang on a minute did you that oh see for real the grille is the same oh wow the lights the lights were the key what a difference that makes yeah look here's a clear example oh shit that goes up the side lights that's crazy there's just no intimidation factor you know because look even when you have the rs there with no wing and stuff you got to have the right the right headlights fuck those headlights what a world of difference wow yeah that same year well it's like think about the shape of eyes like you go from like the yellow one has like crazy fucking cat lady eyes the lift was too aggressive you know when someone looks surprised and they can't really blink yeah yeah Beverly Hills the yellow is Beverly Hills she's she's 72 yeah she's got divorced yeah the red and the red one the the evo is glendale just anger straight straight away from staying away from that comparison people are gonna think you mean something else with glendale that's the problem oh well i mean i mean anger folks support is coming into this episode from mac tools love mac tools you've seen the mac tools truck at shops before if you've been around anyone 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because it's about to get hot in here and i got like six of them for what it would have cost me normally to get like two you can do it too refresh your everyday with luxury you'll actually use head over to quince.com slash tire for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns now available in canada too that's quince q i n c e dot com slash tire for free shipping and 365 day returns quince dot com slash tire uh the pink notice can officially sold out uh the the patrons had a week to buy their units and the remaining units were available to the public as of yesterday and sold out in an hour so that's that's the last one i promise we're not making any more of those no more canyons no more canyons however not however you're making a canyon no canyon no you're making a fjord i was noodling around the name um canyon deep for the diver but i don't really love it i think that's not going to be where we land that just sounds like a larger canyon or a canyon grand if it as a canyon for diving it's on it's a different uh it's a completely different architecture watch but west from notice texted me that we uh we we call in the engineer um the the guy who who literally engineers uh notices watches uh was able to hit my crucial milestone or my excuse me milestone is the wrong word my crucial metric of a 200 meters water-resist diver with a with a thickness that is in the tens so this not this isn't shit that's not the canyon the canyon is 11 7 so this is a slimmer but more waterproof this is it it's uh actually the canyon's 200 meters also but this is a diver with a spinning dive bezel like it that think rolex samariner but thinner that's so then the canyon like almost all affordable divers are going to be like 15 millimeter chunky chunky yeah and even like the new grand seiko that i was like gushing over last week the ushio that's like 13 7 um yeah like that's like third that's 13 there it's it's something with a 13 13 7 13 8 something like that and so uh like a 90s or 2000s submariners like low 11s hmm like we wanted to go thin wow actually check me on that can you google what is the what is the thickness of like a i don't know 2002 rolex samariner is it 12 7 to 12 8 so significantly thicker than that thinner thinner than yeah significantly 20 percent ish yeah cool which like listen for a affordable watch with serious water resistance this is going to be a fucking heater so it'll feel almost like a dress watch in terms of the thinness and lightness go under all the cuffs instead of being this big thing yeah yeah you'll be impressive the more the thinner the watch like the more versatile it can be so like the really dope mega high-end sport watches the nautilus the royal oak these are really thin the nautilus is like eight and a half millimeters that really thin wow yeah so um but does does that usually come with higher cost yeah those these watches those watches 35 40 000 retail we're talking about something that is around the same price as the can we have not landed on final pricing but it's it will be in the same ballpark as what we've been selling um the movement is a little different we it's not used it's still going to be a it's a salita swiss movement this this is the lishu perrette movement so um it has a slightly shorter power reserve this has the 70 hour i don't think it's it's got quite such a long power reserve i forgot to ask what the power reserve is okay it's just the mission was the thinness with the water resistance and it was you know whatever dependable accurate movement we can get that will fit our fit our thinness target yeah if you're still underwater at 70 hours you don't need to tell the time anymore and notice hand clocks the movements so they they regulate every movement so they don't just buy the movement and put it in the watch they actually they put it on a time grapher and and they there's ways to like adjust it to make sure it's all the same yeah yeah they make them really accurate so um but yeah we we six colors and uh how many what how many watches 100 mint 100 blue 100 green and 100 pink okay that's 400 we got 200 orange okay so 650 mother of pearls and then scott's watch so 600 651 dude this is cool that's a lot of watches to sell it is it's amazing that you you know you were a fan of watches since forever and then you get to make to make it to make one and then people like a lock it yeah also that and then they like it and then people who bought all six i think there's like eight people maybe or nine people that bought all six Thanos he did it first yeah and yeah and yeah i see him out you know when i go to when i go to stuff people are people are wearing them and they really like it and and i have we have a couple friends that are like pretty well off and have like pretty high-end collections and like they're wearing their canyons like all the time dude it's a nice pretty good watch yeah it's a good watch so uh i don't know if the pinks have shipped yet they're like it's if they have it it's like they it's like now they should be shipping now so um i hope to see him on people's wrists uh very very soon thank you for thank you for playing that game and uh i hope you like our next watch we have we have it's gonna be fun it's gonna be really nice i'm stoked that they that they said that they hit a 10 which is which is fucking crazy um speaking of though um the the 650 first watch did you see uh our our friend scott's project mm-hmm okay so there's big news today car big car news the bmw m3cs oh yes hand us shaltz or first the mat hand bmw uh m3cs masturbatory device hand a shalter um our contest winner when we did the the blood thing uh the stem cell blood thing to give away the prototype notice with the the the teal the dark teal dial it was so fucking beautiful uh the winner was a dude named scott who was a product manager at bmw uh on the three and four series line and this is uh one of his projects whoa so he he dm'd us uh this morning and was like hey check out my shit made a thing that's cool so this is a this is a manual transmission rear drive bmw m3cs with an asterisk because it has the 473 horsepower motor not the 550 horsepower cs motor when when you have to get the all-wheel drive to get all the power they won't give you the full beans with the rear drive but it's a manual sedan that looks like a cs and is light it's got a bunch of lightweighty bits uh you can look look where they are by the way yeah i can i have their streets yeah it's like nobody invited me the fuck bro let's go this is evening for like 5 p.m 6 p.m yeah good glow yep yeah good drifting around the u-turn yeah as one does you do need that kind of power to carry that as a full drift this is a very long corner that you need like over 400 horsepower really to slide i couldn't slide that escort there i could slide the escort on the bus stop with 208 horsepower yeah but i couldn't hold that whole thing but also it's sticky tires right yeah like racing tires yeah that makes sense uh but uh how cool is that right it looks it looks pretty good yeah it's really fun and $107,000 exclusively for north america zero to 16 4.1 top speed 180 m drivers package reduced weight no violent metallic sorry they uh using carbon fiber reinforced plastic forged wheels titanium muffler and some buckets you lose they shave 75 pounds compared to the standard m3 but only if you get the carbon ceramics so a little bit yeah i mean people will be more drawn to it because i mean seven pounds with the manual though so it's a it's a it's branded a cs and it's a manual that'll be that'll be enough to do her yep and then you know like m engineering or whoever the bmw equivalent is will give you the 550 horsepower like righto no problem yeah three minutes later carbon stripes look pretty good it looks good in red i gotta say i mean i like i still don't love the kidneys but the rest of the car in this color it looks looks pretty good yeah these are like bronze gold wheels they look nice with like a shadow carbon stripe and i i was giving scott a little bit of crap about and they're not being the comfort seats and uh yeah oh well it's a cs what do you do it is a cs what yeah uh but uh no cup holder but anyway it's a cs manual gearbox loving it i like this pattern on the seats for people listening it's a wave it's got like oh yeah it's like a wavy texture down the center of the seat that looks like uh distorted red waves that's kind of cool mm-hmm all right well when we get to drive when we get to drift into the streets that's what's important there apparently will be press cars so we will have to check that out um the right there oh we can talk about either the insane like meekum results this past weekend mm some of this some of this shit is crazy an enzo crossed 10 million dollars what and yeah i don't know what's going on here isn't the new high six a few yeah this one's over yeah um briefly though uh even if you there if you yeah uh is that recent results oh wait that's from that's that's a different one that's the one from no you want what we want is uh i believe it's in Jesus christ oh here we go down where's that silver enzo that's indy we want indy filtered by indy that's it that's this one yeah okay um this was this i just saw some of these this some of these were really really wild the california spider understandable let's see this silver enzo 2003 it is it is apparently the only one in this color and it's a good color which is greegeo titanio but this sold do we even is it have an exact number it doesn't give you the exact number i think i think meekum hides it well their instagram had it for sure the instagram their instagram had it on it and it started it was 10 okay um i'll find it which uh come on like what is happening i don't know what i don't know what's going on with this where in a year we go from you know three to five to ten and also we've got the 9 11 reimagined by singer classic commission 1.65 million 400 miles since it was built 400 miles highest ever recorded auction number for a singer classic oh wow i thought they were higher than that for classic i know i thought if you want to skip the line it was two or more no uh the dls's are all high twos but classics are all we've all historically been like 900 to like one five okay uh wait go up go back up all the top uh the the a the slideshow at the top right with the with the california spider california spider 18 million but a huge number a fabulous result for california spider but it's it's still a california very very famous car these cars have been over 10 for 20 fucking years so not surprising at all there 10 million uh 230 000 for the ferrari enzo this might be the best looking color on an enzo i've ever seen and i'm not usually drawn to silver i agree with you but i think this is the best looking enzo i've ever seen i think uh yeah i think you're right i do think it is a very very nice looking color it's all class yeah i mean i thought i thought gray on new cars was played out but on this thing like this looks pretty awesome with red interior red seats at least that's pretty hot it is it's pretty hot but 10 i mean for me no i don't know i don't know what's happening like we'd say we've said this all the time like people have so much money yeah and maybe they also have all the other things that are cool yeah and they just go oh i've always wanted one of those and i have for 40 more money after three months because of the market than i know when the the yellow one sold for six so sure i don't know this is i that essentially you're right and special ferrari's particularly in unique specifications are now like a a known and encouraged like asset class you know like your financial advisor will tell you yeah go in hard on that especially if you're worth if you're worth let's just say and this is where again we're talking about silly people fantasy money right now but if you're worth 200 million i bet if i was worth 200 million my my actual financial advisor who i do work with would be like so you you think that this will not really go down like much right and and i just and i would go no i don't i think it could go up a lot it could go down some it'll probably stay right right where it is she would go okay buy it like without that'll be the whole conversation right this is five percent of your net worth yeah if if you were 200 million dollars that's insane yeah so anyway i mean it's crazy money and it's crazy way but but just the the escalation of this car in one year yes that's the really surprising is bananas because let's um yeah i think because i think the yellow one was six and that's at the record for enzo's it was literally earlier this year if you paid six for the yellow i bet you're fucking annoyed that that you didn't just get this one almost nobody but wasn't it one yellow i feel like no i think there's a couple it was like single single digits yellow but but yeah this is great this is a more popular color than yellow absolutely i think there's two that are blue and the blues are fucking insane they're so good blue and tan far right yeah yeah the light the light blue or the dark blue look for arie knows how to do a blue they do it reluctantly but they do oh you get this it's being a farari sidebar i have been invited through rodentrack actually um to tenor reef uh to drive the eight four nine spider cool yeah okay end of june so that's gotta be kind of cool but and for rodentrack so i don't even have to make a video that shit is going on going on a press launch as a print journalist is fucking luxury livin guys support is coming in today from zock doc join me in this one raise your hand if you've put off a dental cleaning an annual checkup or any kind of doctor's appointment yep me too yes hand is up and when something feels off i will usually uh first you know maybe assume nothing is wrong but then doom scroll symptoms right self-diagnose quietly spiral maybe i'll 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as a video journalist the information is going two directions because you have to present it back immediately to the camera on the location so for me you everybody that is the more stressful part of it while you're also like getting video worried about the audio you know if you're by yourself it's a extremely like high pressure situation you're like negotiating with the manufacturer to get like two extra laps of track time to get a couple extra shots you're running a production while also trying to ingest digest and then express information again not complaining it's a fabulous way to earn a living there's people that dig dig fucking ditches but compared to being a print journalist it's nothing like that that shit is that's living baby so that'll be fun um oh two two more funny things i talked to my service advisor at the uh at the portion doing today it wasn't that so the bushings at the front were uh were done but they don't actually just replace the bushing they replace the entire control arm assembly oh because sometimes they keep a lot of cars now the bushings are not serviceable they just give you a new arm yeah they actually did that with mine because it was cheaper to just get the new lower front control arm yeah put the bushing in and out yeah yeah so they're doing that it'll be done tomorrow though cool but yeah it also like there was just this hint this very faint you know i said it was creaking the front end a little bit when you go over articulations but there was also this just a hint of what felt like this light electrical resistance and low speed at the steering and he was like he was like yeah that's from that was the control arm was causing that i was like i'm glad i'm glad i actually felt that oh because the bushing was loose yeah it was like a very subtle electrical resistance it was weird like the e-pass was trying to like counter it inch whoa yeah so it's pushing back against you as you were turning it because it was feeling getting you on information yeah whoa it just had like a little extra force feedback like maybe like one or two percent only in that direction whatever one direction no both directions but only at very low speeds like parking lot speeds and you notice it more when reversing than going forward but um yeah it was like like most people would not not like i'm so great but like most people wouldn't notice anything like this they would not be this is like really really really inside of like you know i've driven six tycons this year right isn't like yeah this one's not like them you know and you've also driven that car since for two years almost so you know it was like when you got it yeah and we put the wheels on like you're very you have to pay attention to that because you wanted to know does it feel different now that it has these new wheels and new tires on yeah yeah so uh fortunately the the dealer did not tell us anything about uh i felt a new sound in my car today i was exiting 405 to the 90 and i got on that ramp and then all of a sudden i heard like a but the but the but the but the but the but the but the but the but the but the but and i start and i take my hands off the wheel i go is the tire flat no still tracking straight like i was trying to assess you know as i approach the exit what's going on but but a but very rarely good no never good there's no but a but and it was i could feel it through the seat a little bit i went did i like run over a two by four or something that's like stuck to the tire now but my brain started going to what's already a little wrong with the car that i have been meaning to address like the axle weeps a little bit and i know i need to get it done but i'm just i need to take it to office and i haven't done it yet and i go oh man did i just blow my diff up and now it's seizing right now and you're on the highway 405 i'm on the 90 about to exit for sentinela all right but i'm also going can i drive home i also have to go back to you know jury duty tomorrow da da da and i get home and i look at the front tire and i see the largest nail i've ever seen stuck into my front right tire like the head is the size of a quarter and it's like as thick as and so i i think if they take it out to plug it i mean it's like a pinky finger so we'll see the whole nail is not just the head you know the head is obviously much larger but i could see a little bit of the shaft looking sideways i'm like that's not the shaft that's not a wood screw so we'll see i'll tell you what we'll see because i have to go to the track tomorrow and it's too many miles to just put on the astin why don't you drive me why don't you take the astin and you then you don't have to fix your tire to go to jury duty by tomorrow oh what are you gonna do what are you gonna drive my pink car oh cool okay that would be helpful yeah i will roll out today i have yesterday no today i arrived at court in my car left for lunch and returned in a lift and uh when i got picked up in a lift i felt like i had a d y case i was fighting where is your car it's at home okay i got i got home it was like two blocks and i looked and it was fine all right but that would be helpful that would be very helpful yeah yeah yeah all right you can you can you can roll the astin jury duty this will i'm sure you'll be totally unbiased so zack because zack has the fucking jury duty which is his civic duty but uh he literally missed missed the db12 s in the canyons today fortunately you have it over the weekend while i'm gone so you can have some fun but but also the zinger at the miss the zinger at the track tomorrow mother they're gonna make breakfast burritos the zinger and a breakfast burrito in the pink car too you should i should i mean last time i was there i drove my car in the streets it was so fun no i did i did like three laps uh when i forgot to talk about on the podcast i did like three laps in it while i was up there for the f1 race um and wow it is a lot of torque um it is a lot of torque and also the ps4 s tires are really not enough for these kinds of speeds really onto the track i mean it's fine they're fine but like i could fucking spin them in third that makes sense and and you know i can easily enter a corner with these brakes i can easily enter a corner and this kind of speed faster and and develop some understeer just like just like if i had stickier tires that i wouldn't have understeer like it's like the car is set up for street driving it's not set up for track driving so right you're gonna use to closing speeds but like yeah you i mean i got some slide it no i well i did good it's it's very easy to slide great it's very very bring your pink car togo pro vertical from the back for the bus stop and just put that shot up for social but that's a good time it is it's really really easy to slide it's not hard at all i saw a nice like a pearl white spider today with a red top and i was like oh that's a pretty good classic look yeah red works yeah i mean there's another frozen berry one somewhere that has my my interior the two-tone interior and has a red top and it's a lot of red man it's it was too much there's way too much red yeah yeah but on a white you could swing it you probably have a black interior though you probably maybe if you did black interior red belts red like just seat centers that could probably work that could you can make that work i didn't get close enough for that but i saw go by and like that's a good look it'd be fun it'd be it's like a classy color but if you had the big engine it'd be a sleeper but that would be super helpful i will have the most expensive car in the car park of court by probably a huge mart like the judge will look at me like this why i didn't let you off right do we know what the trial is yet yeah but i can't talk about it yeah what else was in this list before we before we move on from this meekam thing even though we've clearly already moved on the uh we had we did a 9.7 on a 1300 kilometer says a sub thousand mile uh 95 ferrari f50 wow yeah i'd rather drive this than the end zone but but you wouldn't be driving it 1300 kilometers dude that's a that's a sit in there oh you would drive it i would drive it oh you would you would buy it to drive if i asked 200 million dollars and i know that i'm going to die with one million dollars yeah yeah i would drive the hell out of it we talk about this all the time yeah the goal would be to be wealthy enough to drive the thing and not care about i agree yeah i agree yes i'd rather drive this than the end zone for sure manual and i'd you'd save them you'd save 600 grand in the process there you go it's a deal 600 grand you know much you know much uh gas that is in an in an f50 that's a bunch of gas how many services is that in an f50 six shit yeah probably i mean tenors at six i bet a service on an f50 is like fucking 80 to 100 000 for a major yeah yeah you take the car in half to do that shit where i'm going to the right 8.5 for a la ferrari but deliver that's delivery miles so that car was like but they're they're huge man we still when we stood next to one at 1010 so i forget how big they are they are a big car they are yeah it's not it's not what i would personally spend that kind of scratch on what do we got here that's maybe a little more approachable approach i don't know if that's the right well it's offensive i mean this is the hypercar auction yeah clearly well these were the these were the these were the big number stuff wow bugatti eb 110 supersport uh gt 350s what about you what do you what do you think about a little gt uh 65 gt 350 i want one so bad and i make fun of my wife once a quarter for not buying the great replica that we passed on and she's like and i go it's not her fault though it's not her fault she goes why don't you go why don't you go quarters on it with my stepdad and my brother in law and i was like that's a thing we could have done and then i feel like an idiot all of these though are like no fucking miles is the problem delivery miles 156 miles 40 kilometers on a 935 like like ah like it like dude it bums me out that like just you know capitalism always beats car enthusiast like it's so profitable to buy one of these things and then just park it doesn't that suck yeah like that sucks man very much sucks like this is not why i like it's one thing if you have 40 cars okay i get it you can only drive cars so much you work you have kids there's only so many places to go but when it's like dude when you've had when you've had a car that's 12 years old and it's got a thousand miles on it like what are you doing like go somewhere for a weekend in your car come on yeah there's like there's low miles because you can only drive so many things and then there's just delivery miles when it's clear that you just bought it bubbled it yeah and flipped it it's a bummer how about this maybe a little more approachable 512 tr uh five speed oh yeah still probably 300 000 bucks very expensive but a fucking fantastic analog for you go you like a boss Mustang i do like a boss let's go this huge boss 429 k k k code um wow that's pretty fun big fucking numbers down there these big numbers really big numbers but at the same so at the same time we've got some like huge numbers on blue chip stuff i've i've heard anecdotes of you know the the wednesday thursdays of these auctions where it's you know random ass bell airs and buick regals and paunayak lamans and you know just whatever you know nice but not significant cars there are deals to be had that's what i was hoping to find down here but they don't post the like an amx 200 200 miles 200 miles i'm sure that's affordable god 200 mile am all right me can be for listening start posting the things that sell on a wednesday so that we can cover it you know that's 50 years 200 miles that's probably just that's probably just in and out of trailers you know what i mean i i feel like three people owned it someone owned it and bubbled it when they bought it new because they love the amx and then it probably went to a museum and then to a person who has obscure sensibilities can you search for a gt 500 do a little search there for a shelby gt 500 i want yeah 60 for 67 super snake these wheels are terrible those are those are those hubcaps those are white wall tires are white walls on big tall wheels that one at the bottom is sort of similar to the uh to the the revology car that's kind of what i wanted to see is like an original receptor i keep seeing this 427 cubic inch police interceptor v8 the cops chase me this i'm pulling over to talk to them what's up bro like dude without things awesome 428 um because i'm riding for 19 000 miles i'm riding for road and track uh this month about how you know in in some cases like this revology or that boron motorworks thing the the recreations are more expensive than the real things right so i want to know what i'd like to know what this actually sold for uh where could we find that information just find google the vinn number is there the vinn number there you go serial number let's see if we can find that motherfucker well southerby's arm southerby's huh oh here we go haggardy has it was sold for 400 grand it was sold for 400 grand last january okay all right so it's so it's a little bit more expensive than a revology they're like 380 but it's 19 000 miles the vast majority of these will not have such low miles you know what i mean yeah so like the average 67 gt 500 will not be 400 grand it'll probably be 250 to 300 maybe that's a good question like were these cars driven more when they were new because they were still the most expensive Mustang you know so they're bought by people who maybe maybe the same problem existed people had too many cars or had too much work or they were just driven a lot more because it started 50 years ago i don't know i think these cars were not necessary i don't think there were very many cars that were collectible from new in the 1960s you know in the 1960s most people who bought even very fancy cars use them as their car you know what i mean like it wasn't like and maybe they had a few cars but it wasn't like there weren't a lot of these collections in the 60s where people bought a new thing and then just stuck it away in plastic that happened that didn't happen starting until like the 80s um but yeah okay good condition 168 on haggardy price guy they don't have the miles listed here all right but yeah but night i mean 19 000 is low for a 60 that's a that's a low mile car by anyone's standards yeah all right all right cool good to know oh dude before we get to the questions fucking cricket with an assist from monti actually i should say mont monti monti and cricket it's unclear who actually hunted and caught the bird but monti brought the live bird into my house cool and i'll be a bird what are you talking about uh tennis ball no it was a uh slightly smaller than this water bottle okay skinnier like uh finch like uh uh uh you know uh dump and dumber like pete it was like pete it was like yeah okay everyone knows everyone's gonna know what i mean when i say this pretty bird like pete from dumb and dumber was like that and mauled the fuck out of this thing and fix it with masking tape dude or uh but it did but didn't i managed to like stop uh it was cricket by this point from like killing it but like only so it wasn't like just a disgusting mess in my house like it was essentially like it was gonna die right but you want to prolong that experience for the right no i had no i took it outside and put it in a towel and no i didn't shoot it i know i snapped its fucking neck did you yeah i'd seen him i see him do it all the time in quail hunts oh when a bird is wounded right i see them i see the quail guides do it like a hundred times to fucking shoot so i've seen it i've never done it but i've seen it done i didn't enjoy it i bet didn't enjoy it at all yeah i did not enjoy it when we first moved into our new place uh a bird hit our window and got like hurt its wing or no no actually i take that back it didn't hurt a window sarah found it by the pool like she saw this bird like trying to get around and broken leg broken wing we bring it inside and we text a friend of mine who was like a vet tech we're like hey what can we do for this where can we bring it and she goes well you could just twist its head off and i mean this this woman like is a farm chick and i went what and she goes look that's the quickest way to do it and that's what they're they're not gonna do that the vet but they're gonna euthanize it so you can just do it and save herself a drive yeah we hung up the phone really did you no we tried to like feed it and hope it got better and it died it died in the night yeah so yeah yeah you should have just ripped it's no it's gnarly that's fucking gnarly i didn't enjoy it was a tiny little bird i had felt no resistance whatsoever but i did not enjoy it see in our situation there's no blood and we've watched too many videos of like person heels crow crow is now friends with their dog forever i mean you know me and my wife and so we do i do no no this is real this is very real they are very real but we were very optimistic that it might come back you know and it might heal itself up they're all a i so hundred percent fully i don't know these are very real videos this shit happens infrequently sure i just i'm so proud of my girls are for uh of cricket and montee for catching a bird definitely that's fucking some real shit dude i really like that yeah they uh but man i did not i was sort of hoping it couldn't still fly because that's all i needed is a fucking bird flying around in my house and uh it's hard to catch dude yeah it's so hard no fortunately it was it was wounded enough that it was not that hard to catch for me okay once i got but well as soon as i saw cricket knew that her time with the bird was up so she growled and this cat loves me she growls at me grabbed the bird and took the fuck off running and i was like oh no like so i'm trying to like herd her to at least take off running back into the backyard and i've talked about this a lot my backyard is walled in so the cats can't get out so i when during supervised time i let them in the backyard when i'm there but like i'm trying to get her back into the backyard and she does not want to go outside so she's running like through the fireplace like back and forth and uh eventually i pick her up with the bird in her mouth and uh i take her outside with it she finally puts it down the fucking then i put it down right but it's a prideful moment though that was great yeah and i was like Hannah they brought a live bird into the house and she was like did you give them treats and say they were good i was like no no you took their feet away chase them around the fucking house well then i remembered that we went to the hoity-toity plyo vista farmers market where you can buy dead dried birds we have done that for our dog yeah so then Hannah was like no you have to we have them in the cupboard you have to give them a a dead baby quail which i did and cricket this is they're so quick it ate a dried baby quail her in two bites chomp chomp gone it's like holy shit she was charred up she was fired out just ready yeah snuggled with me all night was like very happy with herself well it's a whole like hunt hunt kill eat sleep hunt catch kill eat green yeah from the cat book dude all they they all after hunting these birds all day they slept all fucking night so well they were they were their bloodlust had been you know quenched yeah the thirst had been quenched and they finally yeah for sure like a vampire indeed let's talk to the people patreon.com slash the smoke entire podcast where you can join in the fun you can ask questions for the show watch the live stream get the show the day it's recorded or you know shortly thereafter it's the 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working on more shows but these are these are the shows that are like we're working on a very cool big one for la but it hasn't come together yet we can't announce it yet ping pong my ding dong says uh i'm almost two weeks off of my burble tune in my f30 without relapsing and turn it back on it's been nice ripping the car and just having the way it sounds sounded the way it sounds without the burble tune if you're over 30 you know you need to stop with that um side note my three-year-old says the blow off valve on my gen two raptor sounds like the truck is ripping toots so i can't win ripping toots is fun let's see use that in the video what is the db12 does that the db12 has a little blow off noise when you live that's kind of cool yeah car's real fucking fast it's very very very very very fast uh forza eight my free time says uh i'm ready to buy a jdm import uh an r 34 with an rb 25 so that's an that's an r 34 skyline non-gtr it's like a gts t uh or an r 32 with an rb 26 so that's a gtr both seem to be coming in at 65k is the gap between these options in the r 34 gtr largely a rareness collectability gap or is the r 34 really gtr really that much better than either a lower option to r 34 or an older gtr it's a good question yeah okay i would say the gap from an r 34 gtr to an r 32 gtr is largely aesthetic electronic yeah the computing power went up a lot a lot between the 32 and 33 and then the 34 yeah aesthetic electronic and then your sixth gear outside of that the driving experience is like fairly similar slightly bigger car too right like this still feels pretty much the same the 34 is more power but it's heavier like the 32 is lighter you can you can essentially make have them all end up in the same place if you want the big thing with the 32 gtr versus 34 is the ceramic wheel turbos which can easily be changed and upgraded and it only becomes a problem if you're running like big power i would say if the dream is an r 34 gtr then an r 32 gtr is closer to the dream than an r 34 non-gtr yeah i agree with that an r 34 non i can't believe in r 34 non-gtr is being sold for $65,000 but now the 34 gtrs are like 200 plus right so that is with respect to my friends who import cars and know the market better than me fucking crazy yep a rear drive non-gtr r 34 is like a $25,000 driving experience i have never i don't think no i have not driven one i mean i've driven a 34 gtr and it feels like a fantastic japanese e46 m3 with a whole drive in turbos on it but with the rb 25 you know slightly smaller it's less yeah it's less but if you have a rear drive one with with less it's like a nice it's actually a nice you know it is a very nice car it's a slick a slick inline six powertrain you know just like the 26 is it basically a sophisticated like 240 sx yeah okay much very a very sophisticated 240 sx because the actual skyline platform like is good and when you remove the driving from the front tires you end up with better steering feel and things like that so it's like a nice car but like 65 grand jesus christ friend well but if you think about it like uh is it closer in driving to a mark 4 supra or does it actually feel a little more athletic than that it's been a long time okay tough to tell yeah tough to tell it's expensive i would go i would go r32 yeah gtr because it because it says gtr the market will always know what it is always want it there are there's a market obviously for the gts t's they're out there but it's smaller for this the yeah the yeah the r34 non-gtr like yeah people are into it obviously but it just doesn't have as much cash a i never would have considered a gts t to be a collectible you know real a real collector great car you know to like i always was like when i when i drove one i was like oh this would be like a great like fun just like car to just use as a car not to like invest or rip strictly on the weekends like it wasn't enough to be more than like just a nice car but it was a very nice car that's interesting because it makes me think of like 911 t versus 911 turbo you know the all the r34 gtr is the turbo now you've got only real drive it's a simpler car lighter steering all that stuff but for some reason it's just not seen in that light or maybe it is about maybe it's coming into that i don't know yeah i mean they're only like the rb 25 is like only like it really is like 225 horsepower it's not that much horsepower like i think there's an aftermarket for it there's like stuff you can do but um that's just that just that's just my impression of it was not that that is a investment grade kind of car maybe i'm wrong though i haven't i haven't watched that market at all ll car to a 1 to 10 how cool would a c5 uh pace car be as a track and weekend toy keep it aesthetically unchanged but coil overs and send it i am not were there any c5 pace car coups i think they were all convertibles i think they look ridiculous they do look ridiculous you know and if you're into that and you're down to get out every day wearing your yellow crocs and be like that's right i drive a spongebob cartoon car yeah sure but can you just can you just google c5 corvette pace car and let's see if any uh coups come up i've only ever seen convertibles convertible convertible convertible convertible convertible convertible convertible convertible yeah that's not real that's the 2003 i'm talking about the one that we're talking about is the the fucking neon wheels that's what we're talking about and i and and those are all convertibles so i'll tell you what there could be a fun bit of irony in faking the livery on a coup for a track day beater if you wanted to spend money on a vinyl wrap yes if you want to spend money on a wrap build an ugly car for the walls right and there are people out there that have that money and mindset and you know what go for it for real if you if we were in a place where we could find a corvette that was appropriate for lemons slash champ i would shanty livery on a lemons car yes um so anyway i i uh yeah i don't think there's a coop we need a coop so saw spin blue does that am i missing us some kind of thing saw spin blue i don't know okay um anytime you step into a truly light sports car it's almost enjoyable lightness adds so much value in terms of performance and with cars getting gargantuan when will someone come out with a new light weight but not miata small sports car that's designed to dance with you i like i says new night lightweight but not miata small parentheses 2400 pounds sports cars designed to dance with you a miata is almost 2400 pounds if you made a miata any bigger it would get heavier than that true 2400 pounds is like i mean g r86 is the next neighbor i think in terms of both lightness size cost uh i mean that's that is the car that's it yeah right in terms of new cars yeah well toyota has talked about a possible mr2 right that might use uh the the uh the g r corolla the three cylinder as a as a possibility that it's supposed to be supposedly mid-engine maybe all-wheel drive i hopefully it's not a hopefully rear-wheel drive there there's some hope there um but that's you know light is really hard man and there's not a lot of profit in light yeah you know um people it's like light cars like mexican food people say they love it but they're not willing to pay a fucking fortune for it you know guy because it's so because the cheap stuff is so good you just you don't you just don't need it um and people people are people are uh well there's a gulf right like if the car is light and cheap people are fine with it because they go well it's light because it's cheap and then if it's light and expensive they go right because they had to use carbon fiber and gordon murray had to fly in and you know a lot of thing and do stuff like that in between it's expensive i want stuff for my money right yeah like we just talked with those those longbow guys and i don't want to get too into it because they don't have a car for us to drive yet but you know uh lightweight sports car not much of an interior very true yeah their prototype interior was yeah basically i'm swingers and singers this question dude is so funny wait let me thank you for warning me to read that first i'm glad this matches up with the fucking username though my partner and i opened our relationship and now it's time for us to start meeting fun lucky couples god i hope this is real if you had to pick a car to pick up couples at the 25k 50k and 100k price points what would you choose for some extra luck this is a fabulous question isn't it this is my favorite question of the day and we will need the input of queer shifting gears for the queer angle of this because i'm only able to give you a straight swingers perspective i'm not really sure about the queer perspective or if it even matter or if there is a there might not be it might not matter but it might car enthusiasm is universal it also might yeah all right so if you're trying to fuck another couple using a car the answer that immediately comes to mind is bentley turbo r this is a swingers vehicle it really is yeah you've been pimpin since yeah and pimping yeah if that person pulls up to your house like drinking a martini while driving you're like all right you know you're in for like not an ascot but open shirt for sure you're ready you know down to like the naval type yeah right yeah so 20 that'll be your 25k i mean it's not going to get you great turbo r but it'll get you a runner 50k what are we swanging with 50k now do you have to put the other couple in the car yeah you do i think you're going on a double date of some kind i don't know what the entry point is well no okay hang on 50 what are you doing at 50 we're going brand new well no we're not going brand new prices for anything um i if like toyota century oh for two reasons it's interesting it's different it shows creativity which might come into play later but also it's a toyota it's a responsible choice even though it's an interesting one yeah and that means these people whoever picks me up in a toyota century i bet they get tested because they they're not reckless you know this isn't a boat tail rift with like cigarette burns in it like you know the people will be fun but you're going to the doctor the next day like you're getting checked yeah i go toyota century that's very good 50k it's going to be a rolling heavy fuck van it's going to have a so much cheaper it's going to have a round port hole no it's going to be a good one it's going to be a dodge a bond fuck van there you go that can be go to a track day on the weekends and then fuck in the paddock well because the back is open yeah it's empty but carpet with carpet yeah there's not well full you have to full interior it out why to fucking exactly why interior gets in the way no it's got shag carpet that's all okay shag's got a shag carpet if it's a race van you got to take the seats out of the track no no no no i've already solved this problem your seats are inflatable you have a whole inflatable nicely it adds almost no weight but feel full you'll just fill it out right full full suite of inflatable furniture i would like to add as an option because i'll have a roll cage for the track you could have sex swing hanging from roll cage genius once you park why are we doing podcasts why don't we have a big cars why don't we have a business you instead of let's just call it swinger it'll steal their logo open it i'm right the building next to them singer zinger and swinger say every load is important oh my god singer singer would get all of our packages that are you know the ups person's like oh it's gotta be a typo and it's just like here's sex swing sex swing right next door is how you're saying yes between singer and zinger and zinger exactly it'll be singer zinger and swing right and and the the boxes will get all mixed up it'll be fantastic so for a hundo if you want to i mean i'm gonna this might be it might sound shameless but the mires mangs resorter which is the tube the four-seater four seat mires mangs says you know sparkly paint job shag carpet very good point tassels on the bimini top i'm ready to bone and i have and i have weed it all it does you can't bone in the car no but that's okay as soon as soon as these other vehicles kind of accomplish that soon as you get there go yellow says is there a correct way to operate a watch that has a sweep second hand as part of a chronograph function let it run all the time or leave it parked or is it overthinking it and do what you feel type of thing um i don't understand any of this question so can you so if you have a chronograph right like i'm wearing i'm wearing my speed master right now the second hand is the little sub dial here it's not the big hand so some people that have chronographs they like to just run the chronograph all the time so that the second hand just goes around like a three-hander watch does so the question is is there a quote correct way to do it do you just run the chronograph all the time do you not run the chronograph all the time what do you do you have a large second hand going around because i just started the chronograph i just turned it off normally i don't oh i see i thought you meant the oh that's the second hand running all the time the other one has to be started manually correct so that's the question so so the harshness of a chronograph is in the stop start and reset it's not in the like running so if you leave it running all the time there's like a little more drag on your powertrain like think like towing a trailer so your power reserve will be slightly less while running the chronograph but you're gonna go through your battery more quickly if it was an ev if it was an ev right if it's if it well you have a spring you'll go through your spring more quickly yeah and because it's well my watch is a hand-matched hand-wound watch so that may matter um in but it in in terms of wear and tear it will not wear and tear more to run the chronograph all the time just to stop start reset stop start reset and again it's meant to be used so you'd have to do it a lot to really cause any kind of fucking damage so i don't run the chronographs all the time but i know people that that do and it ain't that weird i'm gonna say no correct way to do it there's just a way that could potentially make you need to service it once every nine years instead of once every 10 years you know i mean like that kind of thing as an aggressive capitalist which i am we know this i would want to have a watch that only has one second hand because you have redundant you have a job that's being done by two people right now and you don't need that so get rid of one of them save some money buy a new jet have you ever used a split seconds chronograph what is that it can time two laps at the same time i've not yeah it's pretty fancy shit it doesn't seem fancy it's cool you gotta like stand there and click click no the car goes by oh it has it's it's got an extra button and so you start the chronograph and then when if if two cars start at the same time and then you hit a button when the first car crosses the line and then when the second car crosses the line and it pauses and it shows you the gap of like whatever seconds that's cool yeah before iphone and like digital timing that would be handy at a racetrack it can also you can leave one of the hands running and freeze the other one and that's the complication they use to time continuous laps like at lamar oh right when they sit there with the clipboards right one of them continues and you freeze the other one write it down and then hit a button and it catches back up that's a split seconds chronograph so a lot of those like famous like Hoyer stop watches that are on the clipboards and that's what those are yeah they're fucking dope uh dismoldering rim my wife is pushing me to sell my old cars and buy a newer car uh i have an an o5 vet convertible with big cam heads and nitrous nice uh a camaro the single turbo 900 wheel horsepower and a mini cooper s with suspension bolt-ons i like the spread it's fun i like the spread a lot that's a good time i think i'll have more fun with what i've established than getting into something new if i sold everything for top dollar maybe 50k and i don't think i'll get a car that will scratch with these three could do you sure as shit won't you're very smart you're very smart um if your old cars and these are not that old well 2012 or 2011 and o5 they're not that old if they're reliable and not like just a drain on the bank account yeah you're probably better off keeping them because assuming you did these mods and didn't buy them modded the longer you keep them the better your dollar is on your mods like the best time to mod your car is as soon as you buy it and the best dollar for dollar for value for your mods is to keep that car for a long time because no one you sell that car to is going to give you any kind of value for those mods days per dollar so the long if you're going to mod your car the longer you keep it the better your value so i can't think of anything new i mean this person they like heroin you know 900 horsepower camaro big nitrous on a vet and then this mini cooper which is probably like their little slot machine car like this person likes big adrenaline and there's nothing you'll get for 50 grand that will be as fast or crazy or interesting yeah yeah i completely agree i completely agree anything you're gonna buy is gonna be dull by comparison and you're gonna start putting money into that exactly that's like i was like ariel adam is probably close but not fast enough in a straight line and then you start modding it and that'll be expensive if you like what you have there's no better financial plan than just to keep it just just don't do anything yeah i think that's probably it right yeah is this it last one no no more sorry uss enter thighs says if and when the new sti gets released what kind of changes would you like to see that could improve it dynamically more horsepower yelling away from the mic because i've yelled this before i'd like it to be a brz and not a w rx that's a cool idea i'd like it to be a brz sti with a turbo how about them how about them with the fucking apples those are great apples and maybe a lift like maybe it's an sti like a rally it's not a brz safari it wouldn't be that but if they gave the brz if they gave the brz good horsepower and called it the sti i think everyone would be pretty well it'd be pretty great i would be very aroused the w rx fans would be so mad but they shouldn't be hanging on to that boat anyway and he'll go watch the um this mozi video please it's very not just because it's a not just because i want your click so i can have a third of a penny it's uh it's so because it's a really good car and it's literally like the car that everybody says they want and then when they offer it people like oh no that's not what i meant are people saying that that's not what i wanted or they say i can't afford it well they're they're they're saying it's i mean some are saying it's not a good value but it is i mean this is that's a there's a difference between something being good value and and and you not being able to afford it i like i'm not i'm i think i've made it clear enough that i'm sympathetic to people that can't afford yeah these things like that's a different issue from is this car a good value relative to its competition it is objectively a good value relative to its competition whether or not someone can afford it different issue i can't do anything about that other than speak my fucking opinion right may which is going to affect nobody let's compare cars i'll tell you who is worse that is a good deep cut rise against their um i bought i bought tickets they're playing it some fucking outside outdoor show with um with christian james i want to say it's a fi whoa i think it's a fi wow might be a fi i got tickets though if you want to go it's in the fall it should be fun is it a fi you look at the fives and sounds like 14 i want to say they just came out with like a collab thing and they announced the tour and i just impulsively bought tickets because it's rise against i'm gonna fucking hit up jerry horton and i'm gonna ask if he can somehow hook it up i've been listening to a lot of papa roach they i don't think they got the credit they were due back in the day i think great band i think it is a it's a fi i think it's a fi all right cool i'm gonna yeah i'm gonna go see that you want to go yeah i got i got two it's the whole show is ga from the beginning yeah me too they're fucking good i saw them in philly back in the day at the fucking electric factory uh let's compare cars i'll tell you who's is worse says as communities want less noise from racetracks will there be room for electric race cars to allow practice training racing quietly i mean i thought that's what would happen at laguna seca if they lost their lawsuit they would allow they would keep the track and allow ev racing there i think they would do that and i think like that happened tomorrow the low adoption of evs as we are would lead to the track closing probably within two years that's just it like there's not enough people with electric sports cars that would be able to pay for laguna seca to not be developed into like into houses right i agree but if it happened in 15 years and there's more evs around there like then that would probably be the solution that the neighbors would hate which would be wonderful yeah i would say that there's probably if there are racetracks that have noise restrictions there are and yeah i know if there are and like let's just say that that means they can only operate eight certain days of the week for instance or certain hours of the day or any other restriction if running evs around the track like is well below that threshold like it could it could open up a potential new revenue stream from a track wrote america said that they had to stop running cars like hard at 6 p.m because the neighbors i wonder if they could start doing night races with evs i don't wear their lights on the track that wrote america i do not think so no but when i did the thunder hill like they they set up like two lights with generators to me they like four it's like enough no you need you need your own headlights and ours were bad no i did a v ir was very sketchy johnny ev gearberman says uh 12k project car fuck mary kill 12k fox body c five corvette z 28 catfish is catfish the wide mouth yeah uh go ahead well i just contributed something like this for the throttle house guys and i i listed the z 28 so i'll go i would marry the c five i would i'd fuck the fox body because i almost bought one like years ago and i think i would kill the catfish uh i would uh marry the fox body fuck the c five and kill the catfish yama habibi says g r supra manual or nismo z manual if you had to own it for five years or more i would get the nismo i prefer how the nismo drives and i don't necessarily care about ultimate tune ability i care more about balance and to be perfectly honest like the nismo is like fast enough for me and even if someone came out with like a tune and it because it wasn't very loud if someone came out like a exhaust and a tune and it was an extra like 50 but sounded like it was a hundred then i'd be very very happy but outside of that i wouldn't i wouldn't anything yeah that shit is nice lamborghini kooch touch sv yikes um haven't heard many alpha uh julia quadrifoglio horror stories since the first years they were out looking at later model years and i was wondering if you heard anything the contrary so i left this reply because it seems like uh she rub she rub on my dub on my butt until the tip is whistling has one um they said i have a julia quad it's a 2020 all the nightmare ones that reviewers had go into limp mode uh were the earlier 27 and 2018's after that they're fine but they add that it's still expensive to own they get bad gas mileage um every four years you have to do the serpentine belt that costs about four grand wow belt service in a fucking modern car whole friend comes off so in 2020 you know what happened alpha had a reorganization oh yeah where they reduced the number of customization unique options and everything and made it like four option packages so you could only order the car one of a couple of ways and it and and that improved their quality like an astounding percent by doing by doing that like they they couldn't they can't be Porsche they can't build every car different but like when they're only building four versions of the car like they actually can build a car just fine so like yeah the later cars once they switch to that uh production process like you really didn't hear about them being problematic after that yeah and i'm trying to find the stories because the number of combinations they reduced from was like it started in the billions it was like it was a huge number such a huge number of iterations and not iterations like different combinations of trim and and this and packages and it was just leading to bad qc and and too much too many different suppliers with bad qc and that helped a lot um she rub on my bub until my tip is whistling that's fabulous um why does every turbocharged mass produced car these days have specific engine displacements of two liter four three liter six and four liter v eight is it so manufacturers can cut costs by using the same components or is there some kind of magic crossover that happens at 500 cc's per cylinder i would love to get an exact answer from this for this from an engineer and i bet we can either scott or david twig i'm sure could give us an answer for this i do believe there is an optimization that happens at 500 cc's a cylinder like i i actually think that is accurate that that is just the right size to make a cylinder in a car um i think there is a balance that's what i remember from some you know because it's out he's five cylinders the 2.5 and and the v 10s are the 5.0 like it's there is i believe there is a a magic not magic but like that's a that's just an optimized yeah i'd like to know too and i think i bet there is a lot of part sharing within you know if you make a two liter i make a two liter and they make a two liter and we have you know similar power requirements we probably buy the same pistons assuming the three companies are happy with the quality of those pistons yeah so it's easier for all of us to make a two liter then for me to make a 1.75 or something weird yeah uh notice me in the canyons i was surprised to see the berry canyon stay in stock long enough to make it out of the patreon thoughts on why this would be compared to other colors that sold out in hours um also this will be my most expensive watch i have several others in the four to seven hundred range um how will i like this for double the money okay second part first you will love this watch this watch is ideal for someone coming up from a watch that costs hundreds or from someone coming down from watch that costs tens of thousands that's right in the sweet spot um why this i mean look it's pink you know it's the it's the sixth color we've did we sold we sold 551 watches before we did this color um i think it's a beautiful color i happen to think it's really fun um but if you're talking about within the patrons with which is a group of about what 1700 people 1800 people it's a big group it's a great group but it's not that big of a group and when you're talking about a watch that's like you know 1200 to 1800 there's only so many of those i can sell to folks some people are not into watches some people many people are happy to support love the idea of a watch but they're not going to buy more than one they got one right they're not collecting all five and so um other people are like look good for them but i'm not buying pink cool not everybody wants to rock pink that's fine i think it's beautiful not everyone will fortunately people have been generally supportive um but you know it's the sixth color of the same watch so it's we've we've we may have squeezed the this lemon you know as as hard as it can be squeezed given the uh the the the patreon as a as a limit it should be said that it made it out of the patreon and it was gone an hour so the second we gave the fucking public the taste of these things they were they were done so so um i just think we have a limited number of people to sell watches to within the patreon we're so happy for the support that we have and we're so happy that people have bought these watches and enjoy them and wear them um but there's just so many so many so many people to buy to buy these watches and so so it's i don't see this as a disappointment at all i mean we give the patrons first crack at it because we appreciate them and we want to make sure they can get one um it doesn't mean that if the patrons don't buy every single unit that it's a super failure you know by by any means at all so it's good that a few people outside the patreon got to get them for once so it's all good um we're we're just happy that the people who wanted one uh patrons and fans were able to get one and uh and and now that it's done we can uh we can move on to the next project and you know it's is a great fun thing to be doing um as part of this podcast is like designing a product that's expensive that people actually want to buy and that come back to you and go this is great like this is real like that's awesome yeah that's not a lot of people get to do stuff like that that's cool um and notice is they're west and cullen and they're whole like they're fucking great people they're just like really great good people to work with and they do as much as they can in los angeles um many of the components are made in asia and the movement made in switzerland but but uh the final assembly and the design and all that is done is done here in la fast back to the future says if they if infinity made a q 50 red sport with a manual would it be right on timer a dollar short and a day late i'll tell you what if it was a nismo z four door it would rip they almost made it 10 years ago i was like i really got hired as a stunt driver like a faceless one for that exact concept and then they shuttered the concept i think a month after we shot it and and i didn't review infinities at the time if it bothers anybody um but i remember like going oh this would be cool and then it was like project canceled commercial dies yeah so uh fast back to the future says what matches the fizz of a turbo 1992 miata but isn't a screaming metal death trap of a vehicle for relatively equal money what is the value of a 92 miata that's what i read this that i have no idea is it is it four thousand dollars or is it a really nice build in its let's be generous and say it's 15 because what do we comp it four g's four g's your comps are running the car what do you want from it built civic so i'm sorry i'm not trying to be elitist but we need something to work with here bro come on uh fizz of a night turbo 92 miata let's give you 15 grand i think a track ish prepped c five is a good one feels like a miata very fast a car you can grow with your abilities can grow with um and if you start putting a little bit of work into the engine obviously you can make a bunch of power and then yeah that can terrify you can't sure uh i mean if you can find a a scruffy boxster somewhere you know you you might be able to get in the game for for even money there that'll be faster than a miata and it'll be it'll be nicely fizzy if you can find if you can find a lease with a front bumper yeah if you find a lease with a cracked front clam yes 20k and you're in the game jb weld the bumper and that that's a really fun exciting car for sure yeah because i mean the problem is this person is dealing with you know you're coming out of a 300 horsepower 300 pound car yeah pretty much like not much is going to feel like that and like you turn into an exoset which you could do well but it says that's a screaming death trap an exoset is a screaming death trap yeah um you could find a somewhat functional uh bmw 135 i with some mods you know that would be big power true it would be a little heavier than you want but but but it would be a different kind of fizz yeah fun and same goes for like a 335 that has some mods on it how about like a great r 53 mini cooper s supercharged yeah i think a 15 grand great one yeah yeah our fit o2 to o6 mini cooper s couple bolt-ons service that bitch do the bushings you're good mm-hmm randy says i'm a large man that has also recently lost a good amount of weight congrats randy good for you what fashion brands or designer items where you most excited to get into once you're able to buy normal clothing sizes again dude i can relate i um fuck i shop at like four stores it's really funny the four stores i shopped are all right next to each other in malibu the shopping center like across where the bathrooms are i shop at faherty i shop at outer known i shop at double rl and i shop at vio rie and like those are that and they're all right next to each other and then in venice i shop at marine lair and vince uh and i just bought i can't i still can't really fit in aviator nation which is hilarious aviator nation was was so cool i couldn't fit in it and now it's like post cool and i could finally fit in it sucks um those are the those are the best ones but like what's frustrating is a little bit is that like i spent a bunch of money on awesome clothes 20 pounds too early you know what i mean started at 295 when i got to like in the 250s i was like i'm there i'm in and i and i spent a ton of money on great clothes you didn't realize what was possible i didn't realize that uh that six eight months later i'd be in the high 230s and all this stuff i just bought and like war once would be too big it's a how long do you think someone should be at a weight before they go this is where i'm gonna be you gotta buy a few good a couple great items but not over shop yeah because you don't want to keep wearing as you said like this stuff that's way too big for you yeah because then you're swimming in it and you know you don't want to fill it back out if you've done the work to lose weight the last thing you want to do is be wearing oversized clothes you want to be wearing good-looking clothes now you put in the work but like if you buy a whole bunch of shit and you're still on on the move and you just go oh man i just it's okay it's like it's like uh it's like throwing pennies in the in the fountain of fortune you know you you you you got to a goal and you celebrated with clothes you didn't celebrate with i lost 40 pounds let me eat let me eat desserts right you know what i mean like that's it's it it is healthier to do that yeah definitely but like yeah it sucks to spend a lot of money on really because the shit i buy i don't dress fancy but the shit i buy lasts a long time it's durable it's soft and comfortable and i can wear it in any condition and it lasts forever even these fucking veori t-shirts which are like thin and super like brevy and show my nipples and everything these things last like six years being washed once a week like for a 48 t-shirt like that's what i expect yeah so um so to buy durable stuff and then not hang on to it for that long yeah that's a bummer and you don't want to buy like the fast fashion you know stuff that falls for all the reasons no you know what i can just fucking last week learned i can wear now uniclo i don't know it's the it's like a japanese brand that sells like basics but they're like i don't know nice basics but i couldn't i couldn't wear some uniclo shit you and i ql found it okay yeah anyway i'm glad no i'm glad you're excited i just i'm not a fashionable person so i don't know if you are still a bigger person you need to follow my he's not my friend he's my quaintance david lane on instagram it's big fits one on instagram it's like how to dress well as a bigger dude and like uh yeah this guy that's him this guy's fucking great i i really like him and he is like he's got like his like work wear game is tight his like cozy winter wear game is tight it's big fits one with the number one not number one sorry yeah and uh i forget where i found this guy but he's great uh shout out to david lane um he's if you're if you're a bigger dude and you want to you want to learn how to dress well this guy's got a great instagram and a great blog i said i've heard this a long time ago that women will pay more attention to how you're dressed than what they think you'll look like with you know underneath your clothes like fashion over fitness for most people yeah it's also more important if you're if you're if you're on a date or something oh yeah that your car is clean then it then and then it's a nice car yeah you know what i mean that's true like if you were if you were going out with a woman and you had a Lamborghini but you had like trash in it and it was dirty versus you had a you know decent absolutely not a shipbox but a decent car that was really clean the it's the clean car right because your life looks put together even if you have a Lamborghini they're like it's gonna look like you financed the shit out of this thing yeah hanging on by a thread yeah yeah exactly last two two renause one cup chassis better specifically what is your favorite gear change for example i really liked the three four on my abarth that is a great question i like two to three two to three i like two because two is is brisk acceleration car leans back a lot it feels kind of in my car like that's the quickest accelerating gear and then third you can stretch it and you kind of sit in full throttle for a while long enough to be like this is illegal this is kind of fast all right you know you have to experience the car sure that's very good depends on like depends on the engine and the gear and of course given a standard h pattern like not a dog leg i'm gonna go with a three two downshift as being my favorite gear change uh it's a thing of beauty when it's executed very executed well least favorite gear change is going to be the one two shift on the seven speed asked advantage that they did for like two years oh yeah advantage over yeah that's weird last one riders on the geostorm says i found out recently about the rare shades car club where it's just Porsche owners who celebrate pts color choices that's it i mean i get it that's fine what's the strangest theme for a car club you've known of theme i can't say i do you know of i don't really know of anything this is definitely the car the most interesting one i've heard of the rare shades car club yeah because it's you know usually car clubs are like we're a beamer crowd or a vip stance crowd or it's it's about like the mark or i guess the setup and this is like nope this is just people that get rare color choices and that's what they want to talk about um yeah i mean cool sure like uh you know it's great that Porsche is willing to paint a car whatever you want yeah i mean it really is yeah and so like and it's cool that people want to like personalize their cars as long as they drive the cars also yeah yeah i agree when when all i don't know it's so hard like i saw who's ranting about this um you know people whose only focus is on their build spec and like they especially with 911 it's become like a thing you you got these seats but with this stitching and this color and then the back is this because they'll let you customize so much stuff and on the one hand you know can that come off as like annoying pretentious it's not about driving sure but we do with any hobby you know people are going to always get more specific and into the minutiae and they're going to find different ways to enjoy things even if those things are mechanical so and those are the same people like the same kind of the same personality trait that puts rims on a Mustang and your fucking Instagram handle on the quarter window that's the same person that's going fucking ape shit over pts options and Porsche exclusive this and whatever they're just in a different income bracket yeah it's there they're the reason they care so much is because this car is the way that this person expresses their themselves like especially if it's a car that they've built you know from the from the factory yeah it's it's it's it's the same as wearing an outfit it's the same as whatever and like a lot of the people that own this shit are like not interesting people i don't mean like on a fucking conversational level but they have a boring job they just whatever they dress normal they're not they're not everybody's Magnus this is their art you know like this is their uh what are we looking for like their art studio yeah they don't paint they don't do sculpture on the weekend yeah so they have this car and that's where they left and that's that's what's great about cars is you can express a part of your personality either one part of it in one car or all parts of it in one car it's probably the same kind of person they probably have a they probably have an expressive house of some kind you know they probably have a designy type space they they may or may not care how they dress because cars having a custom car and dressing well are not one-to-one at all sometimes they're inverse as a matter of fact but sure but i mean i don't you know i know Doug is like offended with all the pts stuff it doesn't bother me i think as long as it's authentic and it's coming from a genuine place where you're like i love this color and this i think if people start going what's going to be cool and and they're trying to fit in and be cool and then they're either hiring someone to like guide them you know with their color choices or something or if they're just doing it to be obscure then that's lame for sure but getting a you know like getting a pts color is hard like you have to be approved you have to like apply and be approved and then it takes a long a long time you know there's like there's there's delays and there's the it's it's if it's it's it's a real uh it's one of those um requires more intention than just no it's uh it's a it's a vice signaling it's vice signaling it's look at vice sock signaling very good it's it's look what i had to do to get this car i had to pay an extra 20k i had to wait an extra year they had to pay in a practice car i went in there with my wife's fucking nail polish and you know whatever it's a go it's a whole it's a it's a look what i had to do to get this thing you know that otherwise is just writing a check you're at because ultimately that's what it is doing is writing a check so i think that's why i hope i hope people that did this have an attachment to the color and they weren't just trying to like you know follow the fashion of things yeah because one thing that you know folks that it's they'll do the same pitch that someone built a car and you walk up to them in a car show and you're like tell me the story they want to tell you the story because they have all the work put in it same as the person wants to tell you the story of how this color came to be purchased the difference is that someone built the thing yeah and the story might be longer i mean i'm no i'm no innocent but i will say this when your crazy color is uh is crazy but non pts such as frozen berry metallic it's like a wonderful bit of stolen pts valor right i think they think it's a custom color but you're like no no and you go i just saw what you didn't see which is that that color is free but ain't nobody brave enough to get it and i'm gonna get it and i'm gonna make it fucking awesome and i'm gonna create my own height machine around a color that they were giving away pen drop the good point there it is that's why you get frozen berry watch or car um we have the most paint to sample car that is right it's right there we have the most paint to sample car it's under a cover you can't i'm sorry but you've seen it didn't you see it which one the the the new the brand new 9 11 turbo that has that everything everything is misty chrome not misty chrome um they wouldn't call that no what do they call it chroma flare excuse me or she calls it chroma flare everything is chroma flare even the inside the wheels are chroma flare okay all of the bits like the lower diffuser that would normally be black black plastic are chroma flare everything is chroma flare the front splitter is chroma flare it is the it has the highest msrp i've ever seen on the 9 11 turbo s and it's it everything is chroma flare here's an st that i might have the it's that color this is not the same this color is cool the colors on its own yeah yeah yeah two things okay the color is nuts i can't those are those are like white gold wheels though i don't think those are chroma flare wheels yeah um all right it is a it is i mean it's truly amazing uh good amazing or just amazing it's amazing to see i think it's a little over the top for my personal taste but it's an it's an amazing thing to see every i mean you look at it and you go wow you're just like i'm i'm i can honestly say i've never seen anything like that like i there was a guy at the audrain a couple years ago that claimed to have the highest option gt3 rs ever and it was chroma flare and it had white leather on everything there was a white dash white roof i mean it was most it was the most ridiculous looking thing ever um and i think this has more this has more painted chroma flare than that car wow yeah it's wild uh thanks everybody that's our program i i really wish zack was out with me on the mountain today with the db12 it was fun yeah me too um i saw some mercedes prototypes testing uh some like slopey backed crossovers in camo we're up there testing and uh uh i can't believe you're not coming to the track tomorrow for zinger that sucks balls i mean i i put the jury thing on the calendar on monday but i should have stretched it for the whole reporting week but i didn't do that and that's what i should have done there it wouldn't have made a difference it would not have been different this tomorrow is a confluence of literally the only day this car is available in the next month or and the track being available like tomorrow is the only day right no jury duty or not it's only day in may like we could have done in june well no no no we would have had to wait like the car there's one press car yeah so so the car is going off i can drive it before it goes off on its national tour right when it comes back got it and i was like okay and i didn't know you had jury duty i know i didn't i the odds were against you know the math says i was two people away also from not having it not having to stay they were like were you wearing the shirt the the yeh shirt yeah yeah no no no no no not the the shirt that said which shirt the supreme court shirt no i didn't wear that i should have worn that but actually they'd say like you know don't wear things that have slogans and what not really they tell you that like don't wear and yeah i have a shirt from the onion that says like supreme court overturns right versus wrong yeah yeah it would i definitely would have gotten asked more questions yeah looking like which which which decisions exactly uh thanks everybody by the way when we come back to you wow so many things will happen have happened when we come back to you all have driven this is the high down force zinger on track maybe it'll rain tomorrow zack maybe it'll rain be a good time in the desert i'll be a good time look it up pray for rain do a rain dance clap and i am i'm going to the indy 500 actually this weekend with uh with spike ferristan courtesy of edwards life sciences who would like you to get your heart valves checked cool that's a whole thing all right um but uh yeah so we'll we'll we'll talk about it's my first ever indy 500 we'll we'll talk about that when we get back zack will spend a few days in the astin marten db 12 and talk about that and uh yeah thank you to our patrons for keeping the ship floating down the ocean we appreciate you very very much and if you're not yet a patron fuck you doing when you're waiting for getting the game thanks everybody we'll see you later bye