You Can Indict A Ham Sandwich... For Deliciousness.
36 min
•Apr 22, 20265 days agoSummary
Armstrong and Getty discuss a Justice Department indictment alleging the Southern Poverty Law Center fraudulently raised millions by financing the very hate groups it claimed to fight, including paying KKK leaders and neo-Nazi informants. The episode also covers Iran tensions, China's miscalculation in the Middle East, and a global demographic crisis where even developing nations have stopped reproducing.
Insights
- The SPLC's business model allegedly depends on the existence and visibility of hate groups, creating a perverse incentive to finance rather than eliminate them
- Global birth rate collapse is not a wealth phenomenon—even poor Latin American countries now have lower birth rates than Japan, suggesting systemic cultural or environmental factors beyond economics
- China's support for Iran is strategically self-defeating, as it endangers access to Gulf oil suppliers that collectively provide 37% of China's imports versus Iran's 11%
- Trump's approval among Republicans (73%) exceeds his first-term levels (69%), suggesting party consolidation rather than erosion over foreign policy decisions
- Media bias and poor government communication have made an unpopular war politically sustainable because the public isn't engaged enough to apply pressure
Trends
Nonprofit accountability: Major civil rights organizations facing scrutiny for financial practices and mission driftGlobal demographic collapse: Sub-replacement birth rates spreading from developed to developing nations without clear economic explanationMiddle East economic warfare: Blockades and sanctions proving more effective than kinetic action in destabilizing adversariesChina's regional influence erosion: Beijing's non-interventionist posture collapsing as Gulf states reassess strategic partnershipsPartisan consolidation: Shrinking party membership creating higher approval ratings within remaining party basesOnline culture dominance: Internet-native generations making life decisions (marriage, children) based on digital-first values rather than traditional timelines
Topics
Southern Poverty Law Center indictment and fraud allegationsNonprofit financial accountability and mission driftIran-US military tensions and ceasefire negotiationsChina's Middle East strategy and Gulf state relationsGlobal birth rate decline and demographic crisisTrump administration foreign policy and approval ratingsMedia bias in war coverage and public opinion formationEconomic sanctions versus military action effectivenessStrait of Hormuz blockade and shipping disruptionIRGC capabilities and Iranian strategic miscalculationRepublican party consolidation and voter realignmentInformant financing and law enforcement ethicsPakistan's mediation role in Iran negotiationsLatin American demographic trendsInternet culture's impact on life decisions
Companies
Southern Poverty Law Center
Subject of DOJ indictment alleging fraud, donor deception, and financing of hate groups through informant payments
Red Lobster
Discussed regarding bankruptcy and the myth that endless shrimp caused financial collapse (actually private equity ex...
iHeart Media
Podcast network distributing Armstrong & Getty on demand
People
Jack Armstrong
Co-host of the show discussing SPLC indictment, Iran policy, and demographic trends
Joe Getty
Co-host providing commentary on SPLC fraud, military strategy, and birth rate collapse
Todd Blanche
Discussed defending SPLC indictment allegations at press conference; also subject of questions about Kash Patel
Kash Patel
Confronted reporter at press conference about Atlantic article allegations; subject of defamation lawsuit
Tucker Carlson
Referenced for past criticism of SPLC's credibility; reported to express regret over Trump support
Ryan Riley
Identified as reporter who confronted Kash Patel at press conference about computer login issues
Fred Kagan
Expert cited on Iranian military capabilities and remaining targets for potential strikes
Tom Tugendhat
Analyzed China's strategic miscalculation in supporting Iran and impact on Gulf state relationships
Benjamin Radd
Discussed US blockade economic impact on Iran at $435 million daily damage
Charlie Cook
Noted that unpopular wars don't create political pressure if public isn't engaged
Elon Musk
Retweeted story about Chile's birth rate falling below Japan's, questioning media coverage
Donny Osmond
Mentioned in tribute to deceased brother Alan Osmond of The Osmonds
Quotes
"You can indict a ham sandwich for deliciousness."
Joe Getty•Title reference
"The SPLC's business model is they declare anything to the right of Hillary Clinton as fascist and a hate group, and then they constantly raise money from progressive people and organizations."
Jack Armstrong•Early segment
"They used the fraudulently raised money by lying to their donor network, thousands of Americans, to go ahead and actually pay the leadership of these supposed violent extremist groups."
Jack Armstrong•SPLC indictment discussion
"If you're actually paying a dude to drive around and pick people up at their homes to go to the We Hate Jews parade, that's weird."
Jack Armstrong•SPLC financing allegations
"How is this not like the biggest topic on planet Earth?"
Joe Getty•Birth rate collapse discussion
Full Transcript
This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. I've been highly annoyed for decades about this topic, that regularly the mainstream news would have a headline like, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, crimes against, pick your group, Asians, blacks, gays, whatever, is increased five-fold, with white supremacy being the number one problem facing the nation. And everybody would report whatever the Southern Poverty Law Center had and their studies about racism and crime and all that sort of stuff as if there's some on high think tank that everyone respects. Tucker Carlson, back before he went crazy, used to point out, this is Southern Poverty Law Center. They're not Southern. They don't deal with poverty. There's no law involved. There's not even really a center. Right, right. So the interim president and CEO of the SPLC responding to actions by the Justice Department, which we're about to describe, said, We are outraged by the false allegations left against the SPLC, an organization that for 55 years has stood as a beacon of hope, fighting white supremacy and various forms of injustice to create a multiracial democracy where we can all live and thrive, blah, blah, blah, violent hate and extremist groups, blah, blah, blah. The SPLC, born in the days of the civil rights movement, has, like all causes, turned into a business and ended up as a grift, as they all do. The SPLC's business model is they declare anything to the right of Hillary Clinton as fascist and a hate group, including a hilarious list of groups that clearly are not. and then they constantly raise money from progressive people and organizations because they portray themselves as bravely doing what the guy just blah, blah, blah. Well, they get to try to do that, and they've been successful at it. The problem I've always had is, and this is their real trick, and I should tip my hat. I'm actually wearing a hat. I should tip my hat to them. For convincing the mainstream media that they were a serious, nonpartisan, fair organization because they got quoted all the time. Right. Here's your first sentence from the Washington Post story on this story. The Justice Department on Tuesday accused the Southern Poverty Law Center, a storied civil rights organization. Yeah, I know. They're a grift. They've been a grift for decades. Anyway, here's Cash Bethel to explain to you what's going on. The Southern Poverty Law Center, in a massive, sweeping indictment, has been charged with allegations of fraud and using the banking system to perpetrate that fraud. The SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center, used the money they raised from their donor network to actually pay the leadership of these very groups. I just want to say that again. They used the fraudulently raised money by lying to their donor network, thousands of Americans, to go ahead and actually pay the leadership of these supposed violent extremist groups. so what the spLC claims is well we had to have informants just for our own safety and to you know keep an eye on these it's part of what we do keep an eye on these organizations what the justice department is saying is uh and and they go into a little detail in the next clip we'll play for you uh you raise money because these groups exist you're the ones keeping them afloat you have every interest in financing these so-called hate groups that are clueless jackasses, mostly. So they would give money to the KKK, so the KKK would have more money and could do more stuff so that they could then complain about and raise money on the threat of the KKK? If you have zero dandelions, how much are you going to donate to the Association Against Dandelions? None. There's no reason to. Wow. That's the allegation. Play 29 for us, Michael. This is David Spunt with Todd Blanche, the second in command at the FBI these days, I think. Interim director, sorry. You're alleging that the Southern Poverty Law Center was paying the leaders of KKK and other groups to continue their operations? Is that... I'm not alleging it. The grand jury returned an indictment that says that. And so what the investigation found, according to the indictment that was returned today, is that they were paying, so Southern Poverty Law Center is raising money, asking folks to give them money to dismantle racism. And over a very long period of time, they were using some of the money they raised from donors to pay to, they call them field, you know, basically to informants, for information, for access, to just pay them for certain, to do certain things. And so, yes, that's exactly what the indictment charges. Yeah, it's not quite as definitive as I'd like it to tell the truth. So they're saying these so-called informants were really a way to pipe money into the organizations to keep them afloat. A lot of it was concealed with financial trickery and just out-and-out dishonesty in violation of the law. Boy, I don't know what I think of that. Everything I've said about the SPLC, I will stand by. Oh, yeah, there's grift. their grift scumbag operation right exactly and they call everything white supremacy yeah i don't know if i was in it in that if i could justify we're giving money to this a guy in the kkk and even if you were even if you're if he's an informant who's not doing bad stuff maybe but if he's doing bad stuff i can't stomach giving him money well and how much as opposed to like an informant of conscience who is just a leaker. Right. I mean, because these people are employees of the SPLC. It's not like somebody who says, you know, I've come to realize this is disgusting and here's what's happening inside the organization. No, these people are on the payroll of the SPLC. So where is that line? They got an indictment, but as they say, you can indict a ham sandwich for deliciousness. Yeah, I wish it were a little stronger case. I accuse this ham sandwich of being yummy. I got nine yes votes. Okay, well this will be an interesting case to watch when it finally goes to trial. Now, as kind of a side issue, a different ring in the three-ring circus, at the press conference when they went to answer questions, Aaron Katursky of ABC News and 27 Michael, he asked some kind of unrelated, well not kind of, some unrelated questions. Patel is now suing for defamation and lashing out at reporters. I can say unequivocally that I never listen to the fake news mafia. And as when they get louder, it just means I'm doing my job. The Atlantic article said members of his security detail had difficulty waking Patel because he was seemingly intoxicated. It also said a request for breaching equipment normally used by SWAT and hostage rescue teams to quickly gain entry into buildings was made last year because Patel had been unreachable behind locked doors. Wait a second. Okay, so now this is based on that Atlantic piece that claims Patel is a drunk and everything? Right. Yeah. So, but what's the... What was that last part? They had to get breaching equipment to, like, bust down his door when they needed him because he was hammered? Is that what they're claiming? Now, that's a story. They had to use the battering rams to get into the FBI director's home because he was passed out? Is that what they're saying? The jaws of life or whatever. Wow. Wow. Last time I saw him, he was chugging beer with a bunch of hockey players. Oh, my Lord. So a reporter is asking about the Atlantic article and similar issues, and I guess they got into it at the presser. Everybody grab your popcorn. Let's enjoy. Explain the computer login issue. Just explain the computer login issue. You were not able to log into the – your lawsuit contends that you were not able to log into the system. What did you think after you were unable to log into the system? Let's have a survey. How many of you people believe that's true? Hang on. Did you communicate with anyone? You asked the question, let me answer it. No, no, no. Did you communicate with anyone that you thought you were fired after you were unable to log into the The problem with you and your report don cut me off you asked a question a question The problem with you and your baseless reporting is that is an absolute lie It was never said It never happened And I will serve in this administration as long as the president the attorney general want me to do so. And every time you guys report false lies, every time you guys raise baseless questions, when we are here to talk about the Southern poverty law centers three million dollar decade-long scheme to fraudulently fleece americans you are off topic it's a simple for three four questions if you talk to anybody about whether you the simple answer to your question is you are lying and every time you do so direct question i've answered your question it's simply as follows i was never locked out of my systems anybody who Anyone that says the opposite is lying. Thank you. Man, stop. You're being extraordinarily rude. And I know maybe that's part of your profession, but please just stop. If you ask a question, he can answer it. And then now you're interrupting me. Just a little bit of respect, man. Just a tiny little bit. Try it sometime. Who is that? Who's dad? That was Todd Blanch, I think. Todd Blanch, yeah. Yeah. Who's the reporter? I need a name. Name names. Well, you're the FBI. Arrest him. Wow. Oh, my God. This is fascism, folks. Jack has gone to the dark side. Oh, you go full rubber hose on him. I'm donning a pee hat and marching in the No Kings rally. Next time there is one. So the claim, I didn't read the Atlantic piece. I just saw the headline. So there's a claim that he couldn't get into his website once and he thought he'd been fired. And so he told some people, I think I've been fired. They logged me out. My password doesn't work anymore, which I don't know what would be proof of. I don't know. That just sounds like a gossip story. I don't know whether it was part of the lawsuit or not. Yeah, I don't. These insider accounts, the leaks and all, I don't know. They're true half the time. They're half true all the time. I mean, I like the ingenuity, the get-things-doneness of FBI directors who can't get a hold of their boss who knows his way around a drink, and they think, hey, we just bought those battering rams. Let's knock down the door and go in and see if we can wake him up. I think that's a positive step. Hey, can we get some of those bad boys in the office? I mean, like for his assistants. You can't get the director on the line, bust down his door. Put an explosive charge outside of it and blow it off its hinges. Wow. In fairness, I will tell you, Kash Patel has the feel to me of something that's going to end badly. He's a little too wacky. Hot young girlfriend. Got that going for him. Boozes it up in public. Who am I to criticize? Hey, he's a deep sleeper. Sometimes you need a battering ram to wake him up. I don't have the slightest idea whether Kash Patel's a good guy or a bad guy. But we had an FBI director that looked like a good guy all the way around. Extra tall. What's his name? Comey. Comey. I mean, he was a buttoned-up, straight-as-an-arrow, and a dick. Yes. Speaking of dicks, that voice we heard, Jack, was NBC News reporter Ryan Riley. Let's keep our eye on that young firebrand. All right. Oh, boy, our politics is stupid right now. Just so stupid. Discouraging. So, I got a thing I'm going to get to later, because it kind of fits in. One of the reasons our politics is so stupid is because all the onlineness and people who are too online. Well, I came across this piece yesterday who said, you've got to move past this whole people who are too online. We're on the verge of online being reality. The whole, look, Twitter is not the real world. We're all so online so much, and the younger crowd is on so much, that soon online will be the real world, and kind of a reflection back and forth of it. And when I read this piece, I thought, you know what? That sounds pretty right. I think that is going to be true. I will be in the woods if you need me. The Twitter's not real life? Maybe it is, very soon. Because that's the world we swim in. Anyway, I'll get to that a little bit later. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty. Red Lobster is bringing back endless shrimp. That's right. Our long national shrimp mare is finally over. The new CEO of the company initially opposed bringing back the unrelenting crustacea. Saying he was against it, quote, because I know how to do math. To which Americans responded, That sounds like a you problem. Now stuff me with shrimp, lobster boy. I'm sorry I wasn't listening to that. I was trying to find something else. Wasn't that what we were told? That's what caused Red Lobster to go into bankruptcy? It was the all-you-can-eat shrimp? That's false. It's not true. It's funny, but it's not true. No, Private Equity Group bought them out and then drained them of cash and took the cash and then left them a shell. It happens all the time. One of our great lobster-related American institutions. brought to its tentacles, knees. What do lobsters have? Do lobsters have knees? I don't know. Back to you. I had some really good stuff lined up for you, but because of the way a lot of websites work, it went away when I clicked away from it, and it can't be found again. I've got some of it in my head. So that topic we just did about the Southern Poverty Law Center and how they were paying informants and everything like that, the National Review had a lot of the details on a page that has now disappeared. but it went really really far for instance that get together remember the the one where the guy drove the car through the crowd and and killed somebody unfortunately and joe biden saw the hate in their faces and that's why he ran for president and then trump said there were good people on both you remember that whole event they had paid one dude 250 000 to be involved in organizing that thing picking up people and driving them to the rally to make sure there was a good crowd etc etc That seems like going pretty far to create the very event you're going to then complain about. Right. You cannot raise zillions of dollars to fight against something that is insignificant. And so they had to beef up the significance of these stupid-ass hate groups. The Southern Poverty Law Center financed them so they could raise money against them. And one other particular get-together, I think it was for the KKK, the Southern Poverty Law, SPLC, they did the website work for them. Like, you guys aren't good at this. Hey, we'll build the website and everything here to recruit people. So if you're recruiting the bad guys and then having someone pick up bad guys and taking them to the parades so that you can have a good crowd there, And then going on to fundraise on all the white supremacy there is, there's a problem with that. Right. That's way beyond. We have undercover people to keep an eye on them. No, you're financing them. I can't wait until this actually goes to trial and we learn more about this scumbag organization. And hopefully they're driven out of office or driven out of existence. Yeah, I'm looking at the article I think you're looking for. And sure enough, the SPLC paid another informant with a neo-Nazi group more than a million dollars over the course of nine years. In 2014, that informant stole 25 boxes of documents from an unidentified violent extremist group that the SPLC later used to create a report about the group. Blah, blah, blah. If you're actually paying a dude to drive around and pick people up at their homes to go to the We Hate Jews parade, that's weird. so that you can then report on how many people showed up at the parade. Ding! Come on! And raise scads of money. The SPLC is a grift. We'll have to check in on Iran, where things are with the ceasefire. We didn't attack. I don't know if you noticed that. Armstrong and Getty. The USS Abraham Lincoln carrier patrolling the seas south of the Strait of Hormuz, along with the USS Tripoli carrying thousands of Marines. The USS Ford already on the longest carrier deployment since the Vietnam War heading into the Red Sea and back into this fight. Squadrons of fighter jets that have already carried out waves of airstrikes against Iran for weeks Now add the George H Bush carrier on the way here expected to arrive by the end of this month Not to mention the aerial refuelers and many more squadrons of fighter jets stationed across the region. Also, more Marines are on the way, adding to a force of around 50,000 U.S. troops and counting. Yeah, 50,000. Yeah, we have quite the military buildup with, as Charlie Daggett has said, another aircraft carrier on the way. We doing all that just to bluff? I don't know. So if you were following this story yesterday, middle of the day, turns out Iran wasn't going to send anybody to Pakistan, so J.D. Vance never left Washington, D.C. to go to Islamabad and get involved in negotiations. And then Pakistan said, apparently, to President Trump, hey, you got no interlocutor on the other side here. So you might want to give them a little time. So Trump decided to let them get their act together. Like, who are you sending? Who are we going to talk to? I'm extending the deadline. Now, the Trump haters in the crowd call that another taco. Maybe it's just reasonable in that, like, well, there's no point to show up and negotiate with people that have no power. There also might not be any point than trying to bomb them back to the Stone Age, because I'm not sure what you're going to get out of that right now. Here's the part that bothers me. In a social media post, the president said he'd renewed the truce because Pakistan asked for it. They're trying to mediate an end of the war. He said the ceasefire would remain in place until Iran's, quote, leaders and representatives can come up with a unified proposal. Well, if I'm in charge of the IRGC and I am frantically bolstering my defenses, is producing drones, moving resources, consolidating support. I'd tell the president over and over again, yep, yep, still working on the unified proposal, just about done. Just having somebody proofread it for typos. Probably tomorrow. Yep, that unified proposal any day now. I would just string them along and string them along. You can't let them declare what the deadline is. I get that. You know, that may not be what's actually happening because Trump shoots his mouth off on social media all the time and either contradicts himself or does something different. But I didn't like that. But there's no upside to going all hard-ass on a floundering group with no spokesman. What are you going to get out of it? Beating down the IRGC further. I mean, going back to kinetic action. I'm just not sure it's going to have any effect on them. I guess we'll see. What's the alternative, though? I don't know. Getting them to cooperate or compromise? I think that's fanciful. I don't know. So I was listening to this. I've heard him on a couple of different shows. We ought to get him on ourselves. This Fred Kagan. He's with the Institute for the Study of War, the AIE crowd, and a super smart guy in this stuff. And he said when people say that we've hit 10,000 targets or whatever and there are no targets left, that's complete BS. There's all kinds of targets, which they have shown today even by sending a couple of rockets at ships in the Strait of Hormuz. They got lots of rockets and rocket launchers yet. There's plenty of targets left for us to hit, and we could resume that at any point. And then, yeah, I guess you punish them and hope that they submit at some point. I don't know. That's the Pentagon's job. You started this war. Right. Well, then you've got the whole, their economic situation is so dire, they're a couple of weeks from collapse deal. I don't know exactly how to appraise how true that is, but it's got to be pretty true. That seems like the best bet to me, just with the knowledge, with the information we have, and we have, I'm guessing, a tiny percentage of all the information that exists around this whole thing. But if they're about to collapse, that's a much better way to handle it than blowing up all their bridges and power plants and everything like that. And, you know, ramping up international condemnation and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I could see, you know, the patient approach, starve them out. I'm not sure it'll work, but it's not crazy. And Trump, I think, is uniquely positioned because he doesn't care what anybody thinks to weather the storm of the criticism over however many weeks it would take for them to collapse if we think that's going to happen. Hey, you have any problem with playing that Benjamin Radd from UCLA describing the blockade and its economic effects. It's 54, Michael. It sounds like this U.S. blockade is giving the U.S. tremendous leverage right now. We're not hearing about this, but the economic damage to Iran is $435 million a day, according to an American researcher, Miat Nathaki, who has written about this in Foreign Affairs. And this is something that we need to keep in mind. As much as Iran has leverage over the strait, It is a self-inflicted wound that is actually working against Iran's own interests. Just as a U.S. citizen is hoping for something, I'm hoping that that's what is going on. They're missing out on a half a billion dollars a day. They're near financial ruin. Trump mentioned in one of his posts that cops aren't being paid, all kinds of government workers aren't getting paid there in Iran, that it's going to collapse, and then we deal with it that way. I'm hoping that's the plan, and that's the direction it goes. keeping in mind that China's got its sweet and sour pork-stained hands all over a lot of them. Wow. Totally unnecessary, but I enjoyed it. Gratuitous. Yes, but delicious. So Beijing, of course, well, you're familiar with the situation with Straso Hormuz. You got all the shipping is stopped. It's causing enormous expense, insurance problems, blah, blah, blah. And some great analyses here by a fellow by the name of Tom Tugendhat, who points out that Beijing, for decades, has promoted itself as the nonjudgmental alternative to the U.S. or Western democracies in general. We're everywhere. We're committed to nothing. We mind our own business. Everybody makes money. China doesn't give a crap what you do. And in the Gulf, that posture, that reputation, is now collapsing among all the Gulf states. China, according to multiple reports, has provided Iran with satellite imagery, components and intelligence needed to attack infrastructure and shipping, as well as the U.S. targets in the Gulf countries. And the Gulf countries are pissed. Each part of the logistics chain has helped Iran destroy refineries and docks and kill civilians. This has not gone unnoticed in Riyadh and other capitals that, when combined, are far more important to China than Tehran. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration a couple of years ago, Russia supplied 20% of China's oil more than any other country. Iran contributed 11%, largely through the shadow network of tankers we've talked about. But those figures speak to the importance of Persian oil to China's power, but they don't tell the whole story. Okay, so you've got 11% of Chinese oil comes from Iran. Saudi Arabia provides 14% of it. Iraq, 10%. Oman, 7%. And the UAE, 6%. So those four Gulf states account for about 37% of China's oil imports. And China's enabling of Iranian aggression endangers suppliers that collectively matter more than three as much as the economy. That's a weird sentence. But anyway, so China, the more it backs Iran, is really screwing up its access to affordable oil, which it really needs because they're a huge oil importer. They're not very energy independent at all. and so Beijing is under this guy says more and more pressure to have Iran cut it out because the whole we'll sow the seeds of chaos in the region and everybody will back off and everybody will be fine thing has not worked and so he thinks Beijing's got to be at least close to panicking about this I hope so because it's self-defeating so that's the best case scenario to me Iran's going broke they're on the verge of collapse and China's going to start pressuring them to, hey, you got to knock it off. And then we don't have to try to wipe out a civilization or whatever Trump threatened. So as the war toggles between negotiations and open conflict, China's foreign policy apparatus has to deal with the repercussions of its support for Iran. Beijing's diplomatic energy will now turn to reassuring the Arab monarchies that the satellite data was misused. The components were never intended for offensive deployment. The IRGC went rogue, and the relationship with the Gulf states remains one of mutual respect. But so why did the IRGC fire on the three boats this morning They still committed to the closing the Straits of Hormuz thing as leverage So they don't think they're going broker, don't care if they go broker. I think they probably think this is the only card we have, so this is the card we're playing. Interesting. We're going to hold the Strait of Hormuz hostage and wait until the pressure builds on the U.S. I think they are miscalculating badly. By the way, more polling came out yesterday showing how incredibly unpopular this war is. Somewhere between two-thirds and three-quarters of Americans think this has been a net negative for the United States. I don't know how you judge something like that before it's over. You can't, but I guess if you're asked, you come up with an answer. The media is almost entirely biased, and the administration has done a poor job of selling the justification. True, although I heard Charlie Kirk of National Review make this point yesterday. Charlie Kirk is past, I'm afraid. Cook. That's right. Charlie Kirk's wife killed him because the Jews told her to. I don't think that's true. And then she danced around in leather pants. I saw Candace Owens' videos. Jeez, who would fall for that crap? Charlie Cook of the National Review said, one thing to point out, and I thought this was perceptive, it is incredibly unimportant but people don't care about it so it's an issue that if you stop people on the street and say do you think it was a good idea they'll say mostly a bad idea but they're not thinking about it they weren't thinking about it before somebody asked them and they're not thinking about it after somebody asked them it's not like it's a big top of mind topic so there's not a so even though it's unpopular there's not a lot of political pressure on the president because people aren't paying any attention I think that's probably true right it's like your stance on I don't know, the NBA playoff system. I guess I don't really like it. You don't care. Right, exactly. And to that point, also in the same polling from YouGov that came out yesterday, Trump's approval within the Republican Party is higher than it was at this point in his first term. He now has 73% approval among Republicans. He was 69 in the first term. Now, part of that is because so many people have abandoned the Republican Party and the Democratic Party. There's just that many more people that don't want their names attached to either party. So you're getting a smaller... Anytime you hear about polling among Republicans and Democrats, that chunk of people just keeps getting smaller and smaller. Biden's with Democrats at this point, by the way, and his term was 62%. So Trump is a full double digits more popular with his own party than Biden was. So usually you get forced out of a war because your party turns against you And his party has not turned against him. Right. Speaking of support for the president, the headline from the New York Times, Tucker Carlson says he is tormented by his past support for Trump. I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people, said the conservative commentator. Oh, boy, Tuck Tuck, what are you up to? So we'll keep our eye on that whole thing. I got an interesting different topic for you coming up. You know how people have stopped having babies? all over the world. Rich, poor, black, white. Western Civ, not Western Civ. You got a country in South America that now has a lower birth rate than Japan. What in the hell is going on? In South America. Yeah, stay tuned. That and other stuff on the way. Armstrong and Getty. I want to play this very brief news report just because Joe's annoyance with it I think will be hilarious. What? Alan Osmond, the oldest member of the 70s pop rock band The Osmonds, has passed away. Alan was a backup vocalist, guitarist, and producer for the family band. His brother Donny Tsang, he was our leader in every sense of the word. Alan Osmond stopped performing after being diagnosed with multiple sclerosis 40 years ago. Seen in this last photo posted on Instagram with his wife, Suzanne, who survives him along with eight sons, 30 grandchildren, and five... Who is that for? Eight sons, 30 grandkids, and five great kids. He cut off the endearing part. Who is that for? You've got to be a certain age to know the word Osmond mean anything to you at all. Lesser Osmond passes? Sorry, I'm not really annoyed. You got annoyed yesterday when Hanson wanted to do the breaking news. We had breaking news. One of the Osmonds has died. Well, yeah, that's annoying. Yeah, okay. All right. He hasn't performed for 40 years. He was part of a brief teen idol thing a million years ago. Seems like a nice fella. God bless him. The most, what's that? I was going to say, you talk about a more innocent time when the Osmonds were a big deal. The most interesting part of that clip to me was that he retired 40 years ago from performing after his diagnosis with MS and he just passed. Yeah, good for him. So good for him and his doctors and his family. Just so you know, Hanson is still depressed as of this morning. Yeah, I understand. There won't be any families like the Osmonds in the future because nobody's having kids anymore. That's my transition. The Osmonds will be one kid. The Osmond. So this chart came out yesterday. Even down in South America, Latin America, they've stopped having children. It's all over the world. I used to think it was a rich, successful, safe country stopped having kids. That was my theory. But it's everybody, everywhere, for some reason. Something serious is up. I'd say. Latin America is now aging faster than any region in the world. What? And they aren't all rich there. Chile has a lower birth rate than even Japan with the latest numbers that have come out. Which is stunning. All of these countries are below replacement rate currently. Well, trample me with an alpaca. Peru, Mexico, Ecuador, El Salvador, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Cuba, Uruguay, Costa Rica, Chile are all below replacement rate. In other words, they'll disappear from the face of the earth within a couple of generations if they don't start having more kids. And nobody knows why. How is this not like the biggest topic on planet Earth? Elon Musk retweeted that story about Chile being below Japan. And Japan ain't having kids, if you don't know the story. They've been held up as the standard of places that have decided not to have children for a long time. They kind of led the way. And in South Korea, yeah. Now everybody's doing it. But Elon Musk retweeted it with like, how is this not a bigger topic? I would agree. South America. I am fascinated by this. Especially because the whole, well, it costs a living. You can't afford to have kids. But we've never been more wealthy. And the whole, I was reading about this the other day, the whole, we're not going to get married until we're financially really settled. No, you're doing it backward. Right. You get together, life is much less expensive. You get your financial house. Anyway, people don't know. They had too much time on the damn internet. But yes, the fact that it's South Korea and Chile. What the hell? Wow. You need to roll your L or something like that, the way they do in TV news now whenever you talk about something. Chile. Chile. I could have steered more into the Chile. They also have a low birth weight in Nicaragua. Nicaragua. You're more likely to own a llama than to be a mama in Chile. Too much? Trying too hard? I apologize. Anyway, we've talked about this a lot and we've got no new theories, but it's pretty weird. Hormones in the water supply. And as Joe always points out, if it were whales or polar bears, there'd be great consternation and something to blame over the fact that they've stopped reproducing. But humans, eh, we're better off without immunity. Yeah, the progressive tendency or desire to show off their self-hatred, when it's like national or within the United States, it's hatred of their own country, which is the beacon of liberty on Earth. And it's brought health and prosperity to billions, for our example. And yet they pretend to hate or they actually hate it because they're so delusional. But on a global level, progressives have to hate humans in general to show how enlightened they are. So the fact that humans aren't reproducing anymore, which is just biologically speaking unthinkable for a beast. They're like, well, that's good because we're trampling on the planet and using up the resources. And you shouldn't bring a child into the world now anyway. Oh, you people. You need a slapping. If you miss a segment or an hour, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. Armstrong and Getty. this is an iHeart Podcast Guaranteed Human