Joel Anderson on James Harden traded to Cavaliers, College Basketball in Crisis | 02.04

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Beaumonti Jones. Thanks for listening. We have you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is that time of week where we have a guest joined us. Check him out or ring a tailgate. Also check him out on the press box. I hope he wasn't on camera by the time that like Joel Edison is this become your thing now? This is my signature move. It's like this wasn't always the case. Like, like, no, let me tell you, I keep what's happened here with my good buddy, Joel. And look, we're going to talk about James Harden. We're going to talk about a few other things, right? But one thing that I have noticed and I have to keep in mind, this ringer tailgate show, I think is the first opportunity that you truly had to be not simply on camera, but to be an on camera personality. Okay. That's fair. Right? Like, you've done your stuff. You've done your slow burn. You've done other things. But you've been there to be a serious person doing serious things. You know what I mean? And I'm not saying that your job isn't serious, but I'm saying the vibes of this, I look, you next to it, you like to do what a cowboy had all. You understand what I'm saying? And you know, and they have shared with the world what we have always known here on the right time, which is that you're a touch of a weirdo, right? And you get a touch, Joel, you spent the last week arguing with your coworker about whose dad could beat the others up. My dad beat the break softies over there, but okay. I'm dead. I'd like to point out. He brought that up, not me. Okay. I, I, I, but you know, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll say it is this as you have become a person who is now a bit of an on camera out from personality. You figuring it out and quite often part of figuring it out is going through gimmicks of sorts until you get to another space. So how you've decided to show gimmicks is that you go raise the roof. It's what this is so this is so disrespectful. What is this? You get a little touch of fame. I'm saying to somebody here, I know how it goes. Like this is part of the process and you're not going to keep doing that shit forever, but for right now, as you sift through things right now, you are adhering to your insistence, you no longer want to publicly be identified as the president in your own in America in 1980. I know. I'm fine with that. No, no. The inventor of raising the roof. You're like a little fucking Richard showed up in every award showed or revived people that he'd O.G. And O.G. Are you bringing that up because B dot called West Side Gun a little Richard on Twitter today? I had no idea that this happened. Oh, it's West Side Gun did not take it very well. Well, what kind of little Richard was he calling him? Well, you know, B dot was talking about how, you know, the J Cole DJ Clue thing and there's a couple, you know, the rappers are getting back into the mixtape vibe. And he's like, I want to see more of that. And West Side Gun was like, well, basically, I've been doing that. People hadn't given me my respect for it. And so B dot was like, well, you sound like little Richard. I want my credit. I want my credit. Oh, and West Side Gun was not able to appreciate the new odds of statement or did he get the new odds of the statement is still didn't like it. He said something to the effect on my soul when I see you in person. I'm going to hurt you. Okay. I got to say I am assuming that it's number one. Yeah. That I rolled out, give it the fierceness of that. I have thoughts on West Side Gun that I guess I will not offer now. I wouldn't want to have a misunderstanding with him. I will. I saw West Side Gun once on a playing train in Atlanta. And it was too late at night for me to highlight them because I had no idea if you knew who I was. It was really late at night. But black thought name checked me on a West Side Gun song. Yeah. West Side Gun. Is that right? Yeah. I think though, and before we get the other stuff, in terms of like coming up with a concept, putting there our direction out, tiling it, all of that stuff, that man is an honest to guy, jeans. Right? Like in terms of taking a vision and applying it, like I can come up with some stuff and then do it. I don't feel like I don't feel like I had that ability to start with just an entire escape. Like I've been better at it at different times in my life. But I look at that stuff. He does. And I'm like, wow, there's a mastermind behind this. Yeah. Absolutely. And I guess that's almost immaterial to me. Hey, he's my favorite artist. I love listening to his Side Gun. He's always on my top five. Hey, Joe, let me spin something to you right fast that you need to understand. Okay. Sometimes when we leave the thing gone said, we don't say that we're leaving it on said. We just do it. Okay, you understand what I'm saying? In case Wes I gun sees this, that's something that other people say. I think I love Wes I gun music. He's always in my top five, it's called a five rap. Joe, Joe, one of my favorite rappers. Joe, Joe, I already did the work for you, bro. Okay, I just wanted to, I wanted to call it because we just really did the work for you. I want to know that I don't think. Oh, you're doing is making it worse. No, I just, I want some clarity. I don't think you, hey, check this out, right? James Harden, and you know what, I want to be fair to James Harden this time. Okay. Because I'm not sure that James Harden has to be traded. Okay. Right. What it sounds to me like what happened for those of you don't know James Harden is now a Cleveland Cavalier. And I don't know, I don't know what the clubs is hitting on in Cleveland, but I guess he's about to find out. And something tells me it's not going to make him happy. But anyway, James Harden went to Cleveland for, with Dears Garland, the second round pick. I forget where the second round picked, but that don't really matter too much to me. At first, it felt like a classic James Harden, oh, you're not going to pay me? Well, watch this. And then he got traded. What it sounds more like it was the clippers were like, hey, James, just letting you know, we're not going to pay you. And they ain't even let it get to the point of James acting bad. They were like, we know where this goes. All right. Don't you worry, partner? We go, we go figure something out for you. Like, hey, hey, hey, I know, yeah, we know what that means, James. We know what that means. And now James is going to the Cleveland Cavaliers. And this is my question. Cause on one hand, it makes perfect sense for Cleveland. They got a significant construction problem, or a rascal construction problem, or at least they had where they had two little guards and two talls, not bigs. Right. All right. Well, James Harden has many things. He is not a small guard. He is a tank. All right. He has a lot of stuff to do. Yeah. And you can put up next to Mitchell and Mitchell can play off guard, like in a way that Kyrie can play off guard when he was playing with LeBron. Like, if Harten decides I'm just going to be the point guard, he can do that. The problem is, we know the last game of the season, James Harden is going to play terribly, like five for 17 with eight turnovers. He's going to be awful in the last game of the year. And you're going to lose that game, which means you're not going to win a championship because we got 17 years of this, which James Harden. And I'm amazed that like, do people, because he's such a good player, right? Like, is that even, he's not my favorite player? He's Joel's favorite player. Oh, no. He's a very, he's an excellent player. And he has stayed good longer than any of us expected that he would stay good. And in an era where guys have been known to be in and out of lineups, he's played a lot of games at a lot of points with a physically demanding style. He's in year 17. Why, why they think it ain't going to be the same as is always big? Do they think it's just mean? Well, I don't you think that's more of a referendum on what they think. Darius Garland is going to be that they say, well, I mean, because on its face, it is kind of ridiculous. You're trading a 36 year old, 17 years on the league for a 26 year old, who's, you know, I mean, he's borderline all star and presumably still has plenty of good years in front of him. But I mean, Darius Garland has been hurt. And I wonder if they look at him and they say, well, look, we know that we've capped out on what we can get out of Darius Garland. Maybe James Harden has taken these lessons in these failures in the past and will get something different. And they're like, look, Donovan Mitchell is a great big game player. We've got two defenders and Evan Mowgli and Jared Allen. So we don't even have to worry about if he plays defense or like maybe his deficiencies won't matter as much here because we got something for that. I think Darius Garland's problem is that he's six foot one. Okay. And, and Donovan Mitchell is six foot two. Right. You just, you just couldn't, you couldn't keep doing that, right? Right. He, I mean, he's, he's been an all star, right? Like, I don't, I don't know if necessarily the calves are down on him intrinsically. Right. Or just the fact that he does not fit with the guys that they have. So I think that's a fair question that you ask. I don't, I don't think it's so much an indictment there. I, I just look at it and yeah, if this is the thing where he gets interested because you're right, Donovan Mitchell, pretty good big game player, right? Um, but Jane still going to find a way, man. Like, you can't even have him around. You can't even, like, you can't even let him come to the stadium. Yeah. Well, I mean, you can stagger the minutes. You can give. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then Donovan has a compliment here and then you and I hear him and you can't let James on the, you can't stagger the James and Donovan Mitchell minutes when you do this because you need, you, you need to diminish any possibility that James gets the ball in those games. James Harden has been terrible and some very notable spots, but he's not always terrible in a playoff. Just the last game of the year. Hey, look, uh, that, I mean, right. You know, the thing is I'll call it holy say it's not great this because he had a good game seven against Oklahoma City that one time. Well, yes, but I say because I want to say some you're right. He has some big playoff performances like with when he fell apart at the end of that series with the sixers against the Celtics, they had two games in that series that he won by himself like jump on my back, got it done that game seven against Oklahoma City, which because it was the bubble, nobody's going to remember it. That was a fascinating series. Just remember they had just traded Chris. That was the year after they traded Chris Paul and Chris Paul and James do not like each of it. Don't make me say that. And it was looking like another James Harden series. And as I recall, the last play of that game seven was James Harden reaching up blocking that shot. And I have never seen James Harden look that emotional on a basketball court. Like he made the play on defense. A defensive play. Right. He made the play to win the series. So it's part of what the thing is about him is like, why don't get into like, is he a hall of famer? Of course, when you start talking about him and the upper echelon of two guards where it gets tricky is the knowledge that the last game of the season, he's going to be terrible. Well, you know, does that make him little calm alone? Right. I mean, because Carl Malone was definitely a guy that came up short in big moments, right? Never wanted championship, but it was like dependable, put up lots of numbers, carried, you know, played far longer than you would expect somebody that played, you know, that sort of ball. The most durable player, the two most durable players in the history of the NBA. Yeah. Those two dirty motherfuckers, John Stockton and Carl Malone. Yeah. I mean, I just like, is it bad to be remembered? It's sort of calm alone. I mean, well, did you just add, did you don't hold on to, I'm going to talk about summer field Louisiana. Somebody else is in the house so I could call them over and be like, hey, Joe just adds to this bad to be called little car below. Not summer field, excluding the summer field Louisiana of it all. How about the 18 will of it all? How about the like like like everything other than the box score? Yeah. I mean, everything other than the box. We keep it into the box score. We keep it into the box score and like what you expected them in a big game. And if you keep it to just that part of it, then I think that's not necessarily the worst legacy to have. And I saw James Harding's last one. It's not. It's not. But I saw James Harding talk about this and he was like, well, look, I had some bad look. He's like, my peak came during those those great Steph Curry teams, the strict Steph Curry and Warriors teams didn't win during then, which is true, right? Is that not true? It is true. They were the only team that had a legit shot at being them. But that is not the explanatory variable for why it went bad for James Harding because let's say in was it 2018? Yes, it was 2018. Yeah. I was on the way to Barbados. It was 2018. That's how I remember these. Okay, okay. I was at the airport on the way to Barbados, the game that Chris Paul heard his hamstring. It was game 60 heard his hamstring, right? And so that was 2018. All they would have done is gone and played in the finals against LeBron and put up three terrible games. Come on, Wayne. That's what I'm saying. It wouldn't have mattered who was around. The circumstances seem to be the problem, not the opponents. I don't know what to think about that time because the Rockets were really the only team that gave that healthy warriors team a run, right? Like they were the only team that ever really had them on the ropes. Well, I mean, I guess it was only one game with the 2017 spurs where they were the 25. Yeah, we just say, right. Yeah, the foot. Yeah, but you're right. You're right. The Rockets did their best. They did their best. They went, they went for it and came up short because Chris Paul's hamstring. Couldn't hold up and they fell apart in games. Because I mean, well, thing we know is not like you could ever lose or Chris Paul or you see. I mean, I just think a lot of this because I don't like to, I mean, winning championships are so hard. And so like when people do it, I elevate people who win championships, but I don't really demare it people who don't win because knowing that it requires so much, so many things to go right for you to win a championship. So let me throw something at you because I agree with, I do think we undersell how hard it is to win one. However, what do you say about not playing for one? Okay. And to be clear, Hardin is a weird case because Hardin has been to an NBA finals, but it was as the sixth man on those teams, right? How a Bryant makes this point about basically every sport. Not about everybody that's one of them dudes. Forget about winning one. Plays for one, right? So as much as I love Dominique Wilkins, I was going to say, yeah, didn't even get past the second round and you could talk about everybody else that was around, but at some point it was not you, right? Like you were not the guy, and especially in basketball, which is typically a best man win sport, but you go through it. Even Chris Paul, but you should we could talk about him. Chris Paul was the best player on a team that played for a championship. Right. Should have won, too. Yeah, just about all of them are, or you get guys that it was never like James worthy, never had the opportunity, for example, but James worthy in the conversations. That's, yeah, that's different. That's different. We ain't got a Hall of Fame, right? Even when we thought Derking of Viscay was soft, Derking of Viscay had played for a championship. Right. Look at Dodge itch for all our criticisms of him has played for a championship. Like it's going to be interesting with guys like Anthony Edwards when it comes down to it. Are you going to have, especially now is it's a little more random and weird about who gets there, but we go ask about him. Have you played for Yannis? Who's one ring is taking him a long way, but he got there. He played for one. You know, we can go up and down the line. It's hard to name guys in truth who haven't played for one Patrick, you ain't played for one. I mean, what do you think that, I mean, because the thing is, what are we, what are we arguing about James Harding? Because I don't think anybody is saying that he is top, top of the line, you know, top 20 NBA player of all time. But he has a statistical profile that would make you say that he should be in that discussion. Absolutely. Absolutely. And let's say that they had gone to the finals in 2018, which I don't think was necessarily his fault, but he's also not the reason they went. But if he had one in 2018, what would we say about James Harding? I mean, man, I mean, I see that I don't think you would put in with D-Way, but I mean, right now, we're saying what, you see the fifth, the fifth, sixth best to guard. Okay, so we're saying all time two guards. All right, I'm going to try to do this like off top of head because two guard is a weird position. They're having really been that many great two guards. Yeah. Michael Jordan. Kobe. Kobe Bryant. And they had no particular order right now, just so people don't start arguing about it. D-Way, Jerry West. D-Way, Jerry West, Clyde Drexler. James Harding is not as good as Clyde Drexler. Wow. Really? Clyde Drexler played for it twice before he got to the rocket. Yeah, I look, bro. Clyde Drexler was the best player of two teams that went to the finals. Why wouldn't it be Clyde Drexler? Those were really good ensemble casts. But you have five, but the second five, but the second best player on the team is Terry Porter. Yeah, man. Why would you have your own person? Yeah, I mean, you can say Kevin Duckworth. He was a star. He was a star. He was a star. You know why he was an all star? Why? Because he played with Clyde Drexler. Those were some really good teams, man. You played with them on NBA live? That's fine. That's fine. But James Harding is not Clyde Drexler. Man, I don't, that's a tough one, bro. I can't, Clyde Drexler, by the way, who also has a ring. Who, he was a ring. Clyde Drexler has the best player on the team. James Harding doesn't have. Man, that's, that's a tough one. I'm not saying that I wholly disagree, but I, that kind of shocked me that you threw Clyde Drexler over there, just like that. Like I feel that's a, that's more of an argument than I would. I've never seen Clyde Drexler be the reason his team could not go to the NBA finals. Man, I mean, people see the thing is, it's like everything gets washed over, because remember that year, the year that Michael Jordan got to play, the Lakers in his first NBA finals, that was the year that Clyde Drexler was supposed to have gone to the finals, but he played poorly in the West of Conference finals, gets the Lakers and they lost. And then like, Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan. That's fair. Yeah. That's fair. Right. And so there were things that, like, you know, in a way that Michael Jordan regards him. Just, just, just tell me, just tell me about it. Well, that's the way Michael Jordan recorded everybody. But just, just, just tell me, just tell me about the time. Just tell me about the time that James Hard got done. Let me ask you this, because this is where he gets interesting. You would say that James Harden is a better player than Tracy McGrady. Oh, man. About him saying, I mean, and I think he had a better career for sure. Yeah, but say that never getting, and that's where it also becomes interesting, because that never getting out of the first round thing is a huge demerit for Tracy McGrady. But Tracy McGrady and his coldest, like, it's almost unfair to anybody to try to compare them to what it looked like with Tracy McGrady play a basketball. Hey, man. Yeah. But there's no way I could say Tracy McGrady was a better player than James Harden with Tracy McGrady and never got out of the first round of playoffs. Man, you know, and I, so I covered Tracy McGrady when he was with the, when he first got to the Rockets. And I mean, they settled him with some of the worst rosters. They did. No, no, man. I mean, bro, he had clearance. It is a match. It was not there, Bobby Sur. Yeah, right. Yeah. The magic was, it was the same deal. So that's what, that was one of the first times that I was like, sometimes it may not really matter how good you are. Yeah. You know, when you got a, when you got, when you got to overcome, like, the deficiencies of your teammates and no disrespect to those guys, but it was like, Tracy McGrady was not playing with like a loaded deck. Right. Well, let me ask this question also about two guards because as we've been talking, I've been going through and off the top of my head, I've not been able to think of another person necessarily throw in there. But here's a fun question. And it's because we don't actually like treat this band like a serious basketball player. He knows he's a serious basketball player, but when we have these discusses, we don't treat him as a serious basketball player is Alan Iverson a two guard. Oh, man, that's a good question. Because I think, literally, he is when they went to the finals. I mean, Eric Snowman was the point. Yeah, when he went to the finals, they went to the finals. He was the two guard. He was the two guard. Would you say that James Hartton better than Alan Iverson? Oh, man, I don't think so. I mean, hold on. Let me ask you another one. God damn. How much better? Because I think most of us would say he was better, but I say, last, how much better is James Hartton than Ray Allen? Well, you say I would like Ray Allen's a tough one to evaluate in these discussions. By the time he became championship guy, he wasn't the player that he had been earlier in his career, but he was a hell of a player earlier in his career. And then he became the best three point shooter of all time until stuff took the crown from him, right? But at the same time, nobody ever won anything. I guess they got one game away from the finals in 2001, but nobody really won anything. Nobody really won anything where Ray Allen is their best player. Yeah, man, that's like, man, the two guard thing is kind of weird. I, because I don't, I don't want to have to pit Alan Iverson versus James Hartton. It just seems too hard to think about. But like historically, the league has had a lot of great ones, a lot of great threes, a lot of great fives. The four became the thing from the 90s on. Right. Like your whole list of greatest power forwards, the earliest real candidate that people will have is Carmel. Right. Right. Like it was just back, it was a different position back in the day. That was not for people to be a four. That was not a position for people who were good at basketball. Cerman, your Cerman Washington. You know what it was? It was the full back of basketball. Like sure, there are full bats that could run. Sure, there's full backs that could catch. Like Jim Brown was a full back. Exactly. Like they're there, but that's not, they, they're what the highest salary cap allocation. Yeah, I forget. Yeah, not, not a lot of what. And also like just isn't a side. Do you, do you count him dunking his four? Because I kind of think of him as a five, even though, even though they, he wants to be a four. So the thing was he was a four until David Robinson retired. And then he was a five. And all, all the Tim Duncan early career stuff becomes interesting in muddy because they gave him the minutes. They made him that guy, but you go look at the advanced numbers on that first championship team or even the regular numbers when you pro rated out for minutes. It is clear who the best player on that team still was. And it was David Robinson. Damn. I know. Okay. And Robinson, they cut, like I think they put him in a position to be good in like more concentrated stretches. Yeah. But it did great. I mean, David Robinson, talk about a guy that had some terrible rosters. Oh my God. That's the guy that was so cold that, like that's the one of those that I'm like, he would still be everything if he played today. And he just had that one series against dream. It's just really, it will never let him slide for it. I mean, it really impacted the way we thought about. I mean, he's such a great dude. He was such a great player, man. Like, I mean, he even look, he would look great in basketball today. Like, yeah, and he kind of is don't, you know, is it crazy to say he's got almost like a win B.S. figure? Well, it's hard to say that because he's not eight feet tall, right? Yeah. But I don't even, I mean, pick your guy, seven feet tall, could face the basket, could shoot. Like, he would have more range in today's game, just like a Lodge of Wine would have more range in today's game because that would be the game. Take two, one or two more steps out. Yeah, you would, yeah, you would tell that person to do that. And Robinson, the thing is, Robinson was like so much bigger than a Lodge want and strong as shit. Like, that's why those clips of a lot of, uh, chat, just abusing David Robinson, also bad for the reputation, but he was doing it to everybody else. Absolutely, man. Look, I, so I watched that 95 finals right when the rocket swept the magic. And I remember thinking I was like, man, a king came to shit with shit. I was like, like, a king did get his numbers off. He was MVP of that series. Shack has respect for a king that he really doesn't have for anybody else that kind of counts as his peers, but watching those games and dream said it later. He's like, I can't do nothing with this guy. They didn't do that much guarding of each other. Right. Because here was the issue for a Lodge of Wine, with those dudes that were just like way bigger than him. A Lodge of Wine would take that step back and then he'd get off the ground so fast that he, here we go, pitching a little finger roll. Fitch, whatever. Yeah. That's not working with Shack. Cause that's ... He's not putting ... He's not putting that thing up in the ... Oh, he's not flexing away from the best. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. in the arsenal. No, no, no, no. But yeah, no, I mean, so your dream, and dream looks so much smaller compared to him, like when you see those videos of them lined up against each other. He's smaller than all of them. Yeah. Like we, we, we, we greatly underestimate how not big, really. He and Dwight Howard, those are the two, where people don't quite understand. Moses Malone is also on that list too. Moses Malone is a list of six, ten. And have you ever watched a Moses Malone video on YouTube? Sometimes not very often, but what have it? It's the most boring thing that the internet has to offer. Oh, is it a lot of knee bounds? It's look better. I can't imagine what it was like for an old cream, Abdul Jabbar, like a, like an early, mid-thirties, cream, Abdul Jabbar to be like, here we go against Moses Malone. He played like an old man from 17 on. Just relentless. And it is a lot of knee bounds. He's doing those, but it's just, and it's done. But imagine that as a whole strategy, there's nothing you could do about it. It's like grown, a grown man is out here and he's not, he's not going to stop. And he's, he's a grown man, but he's 23. Right. And there's a boundless energy. Yeah, man. Another guy that's kind of lost the time, man, people don't talk about, but I mean, again, Moses Malone's peak was what, 40, 45 years ago, so it makes sense. Moses Malone and his funding, Moses Malone's peak is really like 79 to 83. Right. And that stretch, you'd say really probably from 81 to 83. He has an argument for 83. He was definitely the best player in the NBA, yeah, best player in the world. And just by, you know, he wouldn't know part today. Just, just, just, just, just, that, that six is team two, one of the underrated champions of Alta. I mean, that was all time great. Yeah, all time great. It's like, I don't even know if Moses Malone used, like, needed a basketball to practice. He was, he was with, is those drills. If I'm not mistaken, he has the most free throw attempts of anybody in NBA history. Is that right? That tells you, that tells you everything, if somebody passed him, it was Carmelone, right? Like, it's everything you need to know. Oh, wow, a lot more basketball. I thought, coming up next, I got a sneaky suspicion that I don't talk about these dudes going back, like, need growing men going back to play Kyle's basketball. And I just, okay, I love it. We'll be back. Listen, think back to a first date where you were really interested in someone. You probably asked them important questions like, what are you looking for? Well, the same goes if you're hiring. 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And so we have seen guys who have played in Europe or played in the G-League who are now coming back and finding spots on college basketball rosters. And now it's gone to the point where we got to do who has actually played in the NBA. He's coming back to play college basketball. Wait, Amari? What was he saying? Amari Bailey? Is that the one you talking about? I don't remember his name. Okay, the details were important to me. He has played in the NBA, did enough for what I needed here. Okay. Yeah, but all right. Now Joel says he loves it. And I'm just curious what there is to love about it. Well, hold on, other than the fact that it makes people upset who happen to be people that Joel doesn't like. How did you know that that was a part of it? Because I know that. That in number two, I just don't think there's anything to love here. Like, what is there to love? Well, I mean, okay, let me just go back for a second. I mean, a decade ago, people were complaining. Man, the one in guns. Nobody wants to be in college basketball anymore. They have all the great players. They don't stay very long and they leave. And then they created all these other leagues over time elite. The G Lee Gilly, you know, there was all these other leagues. The G Lee Ignite. The G Lee Ignite. Right. Yeah, Lamello Ball went over to wherever because they did not want to play college basketball. And people were like, man, nobody wants to play college basketball. And even you've talked about the degradation of the quality of college basketball over the course of our lifetime. I failed to see how it's a bad thing for college basketball to have better college basketball players playing it. And so I'm with that. If we're going to get the kind of players that had NBA talent or potential and they want to come back and play, that makes the game more entertaining for me to watch, rather than the guys that they had out there. And I think college basketball fans should be grateful that now people want to play college basketball again. Well, you sound like a white band. They should be grateful. They should be grateful. I'm talking to the white folks. They need to be grateful that their beloved college basketball has brothers who wants to come back and play for them now. They were complaining about that forever. Oh, man, nobody wants to play. They just speed on through. We came to get attached to these guys. Well, now you got good college basketball players and you can play. You just gave away your own game at the end, right? Number one, I have to give you credit for this. Your ability to construct the most realistic straw man possible. Before, before, before, shop it up down to the ground. It's incredible, right? The majority of that time was spent building that straw man. And I understand, by the way, the inspiration behind the straw man. So I'm not acting like you build a straw man completely out of nothing, right? Like there's some carbon in that, right? There's some signs of life in it. But why I feel like to a degree of what you're talking about is straw man. I think that you're not that big into college basketball. I think, but this is why, and this is not a, not a, you'll get to have no opinion sort of thing, right? But the reason I bring that up and what informs my thinking is the way that I viewed college sports change so much when I lived in North Carolina, because I got to witness two things. What it was like for people to watch seven-win football and enjoy it. What the experience is of we're always going to be a seven-win football team, right? And this is, you know, this is the space we're just in. juxtaposed against those same people having completely different expectations about what basketball was, but also a place that had a, and I'm talking right now specifically about Carolina, though Duke fits in this category and NC State, which has been the equivalent largely of seven-win basketball, seven-win football just for basketball, right? Yeah. People, what they have said that they've wanted, I think, is not simply better at college basketball players, because that has absolutely been a part of it. What people have wanted was greater levels of continuity, right? So think about how many of our favorite college basketball players, a college basketball players that we reminisce about, we're not going to be great pros. We enjoyed watching them in part because of the time that was accumulated watching them. A great example. Lawrence Moten, Rest in Peace passed away very recently. People our age very much so remember Lawrence Moten, remember the high socks, remember all of those things. And he was a very good college basketball player, but we don't remember him because he was going to be a great player in the NBA, right? I was watching, get up before we got in here and the trivia question was, other than Michael Jordan, who was the other number three overall pick from North Carolina in basketball. And the answer was Jerry Stackhouse. And I agree, Stackhouse was only there for two years, but what Jerry Stackhouse was and what he seemed to be as a college basketball player was bigger in part because the brand of Carolina was bigger. And the truth was it was about those two years. Like when he came in, they were like, yo, he's in, he and she and two shake come in and like, oh, he's going to be the next Jordan or whatever it is. It's not just about having good basketball players. There is something to the idea. And I know you're, you're rather cynical about this justifiably, but there is a certain idea around college sports that is completely laid to waste what a dude goes to the NBA. It comes back. So like I thought it made sense. I had to come around on it, but like the guy that he gone to play G league ignite, but he never made it to the NBA. And then he comes back to college. I think it was reasonable to say that G league ignite. It's professionalish, right? But that was not the same as like going to the NBA. And even the guy that was in the actual, I think there's one that was in the actual G league. And then he decided to come back and was within his window of eligibility for his own sake, get your money, right? Because that's the real reason we in this for, right? These cats ain't coming. Like this isn't exactly right, he danger feel. Coming back, right? Right. Coming back to be on the dive team. They like, hey, man, they out here cutting these checks. If they was cutting these kind of checks before, maybe I never would have left so forth and so on. But a guy coming back in the middle of in January to just wind up on a team like as a ringer, like as a free agent. I don't think that improves college basketball. I don't think like I don't think improving college basketball is just as simple as like your point was, I don't see why how having good basketball players is bad for college basketball. Is sort of like dropping Luca down to yourself would not make college basketball better. That's an extreme example, right? But simply because the guy is better, it's not going to do it. Like I think it is cognitively dissonant when it's just like, hey, we just got somebody off the waver wire the other day. And then he just dropped in here. It may make it better to why this is why I brought up the not really being in the college basketball. It may make it better if you drop in to watch a basketball game and now you have this better player. But for people who are most dedicated, and I'm not as dedicated as I used to be, but like the people who follow from day one and you grow and you watch a team, you watch players mature and like get to a senior night where you're like, yo, I remember him way back winter, even through the course of a season. A college basketball season is a building, developing sort of thing. I find that to be what makes if you're going to get into college basketball because it's not because of the quality of the basketball. But if you're going to get into college basketball, those are the things that you're into. And it just gets a little bit weird when it's just like, a man found his dude from Turkey. He said he could come next week. You know what I mean? I mean, I get why people embrace and have like reverence for that sort of mythology around the college basketball. But it's not just mythology though. But it's always been like, I mean, even the guys, like you said, like Stekhaus was only really there for two years. It's very few dudes that are like Marcus Faiza, where they, therefore, the whole four years, you know that they're probably got a limited ceiling in the NBA. But they spent their four years there. You saw them grow and become a productive player. And they leave. I think there's way more of those than you are acknowledging there. I think the national champions over all these years have typically been teams with those kind of players. Yeah. So that's the thing. I'm like, what does it, what enjoyment does it actually take away from anybody? Is that Alabama has a six foot 10 guy coming off the bench who spent a little time in the G league? I don't, like, how does that actually affect your enjoyment of the game? I don't, that wouldn't affect mine. And I, I know you said that I'm not a college basketball fan. And I'm really, I'm not, I mean, I watch the match, March Madness, like the rest of y'all, but you know, University of Houston fan, you know? And so when University of Houston is good, I get it behind that. Oh, and this kind of shit is right up Houston's alley. Houston is, Houston is all about, oh, is that right? There's a way we could finagle this. Yeah. Hey, man, we can make that work. You want to come through? You know what I'm saying? We got, we got to rush as well for the next three months. You know, I would, I would, I would want that. I, I guess the thing is, is that I guess I'm just kind of tired of the complaints about college sports. No, no, no, this is, so this is why I noticed about you and I realized it worries me. We talk about this. You not arguing the points no more. You just argue with against the people. Yeah, because I just think that like people have, there's a, there's a cottage industry of just complaining about college sports and like the players, the, the players don't have any loyalty or the players. Now they too old. We don't want them in here or the players are too young and I wish they would stay longer. Like it's just the guys that play college basketball, the labor force that is involved, they can never do it right. It's always wrong to whatever, whatever, either they're not staying long enough, they're staying too long, they made, you know, they're all about money or whatever, all that kind of stuff, they didn't get better. You know, the motivations are changing. I just, I'm just like, why don't you all just enjoy basketball? Well, well, well, I was like basketball. I don't want to ask you this question. And I was talking specifically about me. You don't think that I am arguing that the players are doing something wrong here. I don't think you are. Okay, but no, so there's a level of the argument that goes beyond that because I get you to a degree, like I see you give fervent defenses online of AAU basketball that the people that I trust in youth basketball would never dare entertain at this point. Like I think these systems are broken. And I think that a lot of these discussions are about the systems and not necessarily putting the blame on the players like the trans-reportal situation, the trans-reportal is out of control. Like they are, they've got things that they are going to need to figure out about how this works because no matter what the reason is, no matter whose fault it is, all these guys left stand to with no chairs when the music's size playing becomes its own issue. Don't you think that that's the NCAA's fault? And that is the administrative and cultural fault? I agree. They can do something about that. Right, but acting like it's not a pro acting, ignoring the problem in the name of defending the players, I think is. What is the problem? To me, there are a couple of problems. Number one, the advice economy around college football in particular is underdeveloped and leaving players in incredibly vulnerable situations. To me, right now, the biggest problem that is not discussed enough is the fact that a lot of these NIL contracts are entirely one side. I think these players are like that's the thing that happened with this kid at Duke. Like if you go look at the quarterback that's going to go to Miami, if you go look at what that contract was, he never had a chance in trying to challenge that. Like it was very much so all the power in that contract wound up going to Duke. That's a huge problem, but that is also part of the advice economy that I think is being negative toward players. I do think a lot of these guys are being advised, does the girl try, because look, this is the one chance for them to get money in many cases. And so somebody tell you, we think you can get a little bit more money over here. You might be able to get a little bit more money over there, but this thing is so unregulated that I don't think you're necessarily winning by making these moves in that way. Is it the NCAA's fault? Yes, because at every turn they beg somebody else to solve their problem for them, but it doesn't change the fact that within that construct, it's a lot of people on a lot of sides making a lot of bad decisions. I so which is their God given American right? Right. But I would I would like to find ways that they didn't have to make bad decisions because they not all getting fucked over by the coaches and getting forced off of these college. They're not all, but I think that that is an under under reported and under told story of this though. And I think that it is very much in the interest of the power brokers in the sport to make it seem like it's players chasing money, rather than the deans, the Kenny Dillingham's, the Kurt Sigmetti's, turning over there. How do you think a team gets good like all for one year to the next? Like they turn it over these rosters. Like with Dion first did it in Colorado. It was just sort of like, wow, we've got like 80 different players this year. How did they do that? And he was very clear about what he was going to do it and how he was going to do it. That is like kind of the expectation when you bring in a new coach now that you're just going to turn over a roster. Right. So you're putting a whole bunch of guys into the system right now. And I don't think I think that that is happening a lot and more than people get credit for. I think that like if the system was such that college football players didn't have to compete for their spot every year, every year in my, my, my co-host Van Lathen said that's on the show. If you are a FBS player, every year you're competing for your spot against everybody else in college football. There's no telling where your competition is going to come from. If you are a middling right guard in Vanderbilt, you have no idea if they're going to buy somebody and come from Florida to take your spot. Maybe somebody from Murray State will come up. There's a good prospect to take your spot. Everybody is sort of on a one year timeline. And so I just think that like, yes, I, is it ideal? No. But I think that like there is a way that these teams in the, in the NCAA could do could change it and make it a more favorable situation for everybody, but they don't want to do that. And I think that, I think there's an element of them liking this chaos because they're hoping the Trump and the Congress are going to come in and say, yeah, that's, that's always been the case, right? Yeah. But I also think two things can be true at once. Mm-hmm. Right. Which is, yes, there is definitely some roster turnover that has taken place. And there are also questions to be asked about, and this also comes up in the NFL with the discussion of guaranteed contracts, whether you could really have a properly functioning economy of labor in that sport, given certain levels of guarantees. Mm-hmm. So much change is so fast. The injury risk is so much higher and players like getting really good out of nowhere and what comes with that. Like this, it's, it's, it's, it's not as simple as we would all prefer for it to be. I think is the, is the way that I would put that. Um, but I do agree. Like Deon came in and told everybody, there ain't going to be no place for you here. We'll help you cut up your tape and we'll help you send it out. But there's not, it, it ain't for you here. You're right. So what part does happen? I don't think that part is as under-discussed as you think it is. I don't, but I don't, I think this is the feeling that I, I don't get the feeling that people are blaming players. I get the feeling that people are blaming the adults around these players. And I think that that's what all of us are doing no matter the side, the, whether the adults be coaches, whether the adults be whatever, whoever the advisor happens to be, wherever it comes from. I don't know how anybody can be expected to get good advice. Who do you think that's because, because the, because the game is so big and so spread out. So like the idea, when you somebody, if you're an FBS player, you're competing every year for your spot, you're not just competing against the FBS guys. Trinidad, Chamble is over there. Some school that you've never heard of. Yeah. Like ready to get you. That's right. Yeah. And all the transferring to me, what is bad about it is the losers wind up being the players. But you're also right. If you're a quarterback, they looking at another one. But this, would you say also I wonder there is also two or two degrees, some chicken and egg going on here, right? The coaches are looking because they can get better, but also at the same time, you also got to look, because they ain't no telling when this do my van for you. Right. Well, I mean, like the Duke and the Daria Mintsett situation is like a really good illustration of this. They're really mad, man. Miami came in and strong onto my day quarterback. They did that to Tulane the year before. And they go do it to somebody else to bring somebody else into replace Daria Mintsett, including recruiting over a high school quarterback. And I'm certain that they recruited and said, Hey, you don't get a chance. You might get a chance to play, but they're going to bring somebody else in. And so yeah, like that is the chicken and egg part of it. And that's why I'm like, if the NCAA and all these coaches and everybody wanted to change this, the dynamics here, they would do it. They could, they could do it. I agree with that. It is within their power to do it and to, and to advocate for a better, work, work for a system, but they don't want to do that. I agree with that. And I also say this one though, the they brought somebody in over me. I don't have no sympathy for that one. I don't know. That's that's the game, right? I mean, bro, that's, I mean, anybody that's an athlete and you know, like, I always talk, you know, and this is, this is maybe just another straw man or whatever. Like, here's don't want to compete. Kids want participation ribbons. They don't want to fight. Look, bro, from the time you start playing sports, you know who's better than you. You know what you got to compete against. You know that like, hey man, somebody might be taking my spot. Like, if you're in sport, you're always sort of aware of that. And so yeah, like, I don't, it does suck. If a kid does, they bring somebody in over you, but you know that like, if you don't perform and this kid is better than me, you also understand, coach is going to, coach got to play him. Well, I do think, I think saying they don't want to compete is a fair hypothesis to explore. And this, but this is, here's what I'm saying. Is anything, man? You know what, you don't want to hear something. This is the part I do think that you would agree with. And this is not something new. This has gone on for a really long time, which is all this maneuvering to find a place that you can play right now, right? And this, this goes on in high schools. Hell, this goes on in middle schools. Like, oh, I did not, I'm not the starter right now at this place. Okay, well, I'ma go somewhere else where they are going to wind up making me the starter. Like, the game is find the, find the path or at least resistance in this. Well, there's something to that. Now, there's some schools where you go look at the depth chart like USC used to be like this. It's going to be three, five star quarterbacks on this depth chart, right? And if you are the number three, but you are a junior and the other two are soft moors, hey, I get it. You might need to go somewhere else, right? The days of DJ Shockley sitting behind David Green for three years, right? That's gold. Team Martin. Yeah, but, but I make the argument for a lot of those guys and where I think they mess up and they get it wrong. Man, you only need one year of film, man. Like this idea that you got to go somewhere else in order to get this done. Yeah, but when I'm going to get my money though, well, we'll see, but now that is where this, but see, that's where this is a little bit of a black box situation, right? Yeah. Is what is the money that you're getting for not because look, if you especially with a quarterback, let's just talk about quarterback. If you're talking about playing an NFL long game, then that money's the money you need to be thinking about, right? So let's try this. An interesting case in the transfer world was in James and Williams left Ohio State and went to Alabama. You couldn't blame him, right? He was Ohio State's number four receiver. And he was a top 15 pick, right? I get it. But if you was like that number three Ohio State receiver, I know you're going to get your bag if you just stick around here. I know it's going to work out for you because I've seen what they've done for these other cats. Right. But you know what you know what you know what changes the equation for that number three receiver. And I'm not saying this is right or wrong, whatever. Oh man, my receiver coaching here no more. My offensive coordinator has changed. I don't know if I have a great relationship with the quarterback that's going to throw me to ball this year. Things change. Things are changing everywhere all around you. It's just like you're not necessarily making a decision just for yourself. You're looking at the situation around you and be like, well, shit, they're going to bring in two more five stars. Chris Henry June to come in. Somebody else going to be calling plays this year. So like some of that I could get, right? But I would like to know how many of these cats is rolling somewhere else for like another hunt a grant. Yeah, man. And I would say that in many cases, and it's easier for me to say because I don't need that money. Right. But that's not that's not for the key that money that I need to money is not for the kid. You understand what I'm saying? Like, like, there is, there is, there appears to be a short sightedness in some of the decisions that are being made on all sides. I need all my bills paid right now. And my mama might need all her bills paid right now, you know, and I may not be able to bank or wait in eight years until the future where I can make my second contract. Like you have a finite amount of time to take advantage of all this stuff. Yeah, but I'm telling you right now. But these, these boys that we are talking about in large part, all of them are leaving a place that is giving them enough money to pay those bills that you describe to go to another place. Yeah. And some, and some of these cats is going from, and of, of their own volition, some of them, not all, some, but some of them are going from being able to pay in a mama's bills to not being able to pay in a mama's bills on the basis of a bad decision. And so that's why I say, this has become professional sports, but these are not pros. And the people advising them by a large are not pros. Man, I hear you on that. And I know that you come from a good place with this because you've also had experience with these kids on a, on a, on a really intimate level, like you've worked with college kids at that. But, man, we just don't worry about tennis, tennis players, golf, because they're already rich. Why are we? I mean, I just feel like it's kind of like, you ask me why I would worry more about the boys that play football than I would worry about the boys that play golf. Uh, okay. Let me ask you this question. Do you really believe the coaches like the college football coaches have a better sense and are more invested in the kid than the people that are around this kid and have brought them up and have spent money for them to quarterback training and go to this camp, go to this camp? I mean, like, no, I don't, but I'm not arguing, but I'm not arguing against the coaches. I'm arguing against the point. I mean, I guess, I gotta tell you, the, the advice economy around this is shaky. Yeah. Like, think about it. They're guys in the NFL who don't have good agents. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay. And that, so who, so who the hell you think is advising these kids? I, I, I, a great one, but that is a problem of life, not necessarily of, you know, because the transfer portal has done this or anything. No, no, no, no, no, no, but we're here now. Yeah. That's the, I think that on all sides of it, no matter who we're talking about, if you stop arguing the side and look at where we are, there's enough to go around. But I don't think it's as skeptical, as cynical as I am about the coaches and the administrators. That ain't changing the fact that there's like, there's a lot that everybody got to get right about this. If, if you're a coach or an administrator and you watched the Beaumonti Jones show or you watched the Ring of Tailgate show, here's what I want you to do. Let's, let's, let's formalize this. Like, let's make this a more equitable and stable system for everybody. You can do that instead of getting on TV and complaining and hoping that your daddy Trump is going to come in and save you. You can, it just, I mean, so it just, it just, it's what you're saying, though, and this is the biggest sticking point is make the players employees. I mean, bro, I mean, they can't pay it now. I mean, they are important. No, I understand you. I'm not saying it's wrong. I mean, I'm not saying it's wrong. I mean, I'm not saying it's wrong. I mean, I'm not saying it's wrong. I mean, I'm not saying it's wrong. I mean, I'm not saying it's wrong. I understand you. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm saying, but that's to put that in other terms. That is where there is. But I'm going to tell you this, though, collective bargaining for all of these children. You won't talk about her and cats. Like this is, yeah, I mean, how to, like football, like, like, profile ball, for example, they can barely get anything done because they basically have four different classes of players. Right. Who are the, like, who are the members that vote for this? Who do you decide? Who's going to be in charge all of this? Like, I agree with you that that is the best solution. I think that people who say that undersell what it'll take to arrive at said solution. And all of this has happened because instead of planning for this over the years, they just kicked a can, kicked a can, kicked a can, kicked a can. And now it's such an un-wheeled demess that I don't know how you wind up fixing it. But I don't know. This doesn't seem sustainable. Like, like, I mean, this doesn't seem any easier, you know what I mean? So, like, we might as well start moving and advocating toward what is inevitable. Like, don't, like, don't you think that that is actually inevitable? Like, what we're talking about, that they're just going to formalize these working relationships and make them employees? Like, that's going to happen eventually. And every day that they don't push for that, we're wasting time. Yeah. But I have no idea when that day is actually going to come because I don't know what it'll take to arrive at that play. I mean, look, they just got to a place where teaching assistants could unionize, right? But this collective bargaining we need to take is that on the school level, is it on a national level? Like, when you envision it because we saw what happened in Northwestern. Yeah. So I had to go down that road. Like, yeah, this is, these games were never intended to be about this much money. That's like, that's really fundamentally what it comes down to. Yeah. Is that the economies that have sprouted up around this were never intended to be what they are. That's right. The thing is, that is true, but now that it is, I don't just want the coaches and I don't just want the athletic directors and all the little patronage jobs that the black athletes never have access to. They don't hardly very few of them get to go on and be the assistant athletic director or this person working in the athletic department or whatever. And so like, now that the football has grown and it has become this huge billion dollar industry, I want them to get every dollar that they owe because I know that they're only going to be, they're going to have to claw it out of the people's hands and out of their banks. So I want. I hope they get it too. I just need you. I don't know how much you, you a dominoes player. You know, so just say no. No, look, I'm just, give me, give me, give me, give me, tell you a story. Just, just, just, just, I'm going to shut up. I'm going to go and you know him because it's working with that foot record. Hey, it's a yes and no question, brother. I, I don't play regularly. Okay. I'm leading people. I didn't use these just fireworks, just fireworks. It's telling me, but okay. All money ain't good money. But I want money though. But I hit all money ain't good money. Let me figure out what part of the money is going to be bad. That's a look. Everybody has the right to make bad decisions, right? I just be feeling like you, you be trying to defend bad decisions just because you don't like the other people. But I don't like the other people, but also like let me have the money and then we'll figure it out from there. I want the money first. And it's better for me to have the money. But if you have to make a bad decision in order to get the money and figure it out, the figure it out part needed to happen before the money sometimes. Yeah. I just don't want the money. Give me the money. Yeah, I say this is somebody who's broke. So maybe that's what, that's my, Katie Vellot. I wasn't going to say it out loud. Yeah, I'm broke. I was like, yes. I'm talking to that. That's, yeah. I was about to say I was so hot. I was about to listen to that broke Negro. I'm just saying, look, man, everybody can't go to Barbados. You know, it's easy for me to be, oh, man, and that Barbados trip, I'd scoff at that now. Yeah, it's easy for me to be looking at people being like, oh, buddy, hey, good buddy, though. Yeah, right. I'm saying, hey, yeah, I'm fed it ain't fed it ain't. Well, give me some of your bad money then. That's something 15,000 dollars change. It's my life. I was like, I would take it right now. 15,000 dollars would change your month. That would be, I would appreciate that month a lot, but yeah, you would, I know, I understand, I understand. Joel Edison, check him out on the ring of tailgate, check him out on the press box. Hopefully by the time you get around and check him out, he will stop. I have been in it. I can do it. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, it's a gimmick. I get it. I mean, look at this. I'm just famous as Goombani. I ain't never had an HBO show. I ain't never. I used to, I used to carry the big gold belt on national television. Okay. Yeah. I'm telling you, it's game recognized game. It's not. I'm just telling you that we need to get you something a little bit stronger. You don't like the, you don't like the, you don't like the race the roof. You don't like the race the roof. Okay. It's not even just the race. If you had done the, do I do it the two hand race the roof? Maybe that would be one thing, but you got a whole wine dub. You do the dog take call, Pepple. I told you raise the roof. There's a story behind that because the two hand win is not the reason, not the version that I found it and it was perverted and when it went national. But on the south side of Houston, they know who is they? They. South side of Houston. Shout out, shout out, drumstick, shout out, Jamaican Jamaican, shout out, Oasis. Shout out. Joe. Is it Tucket Town? Tucket Towns on Northside. Tucket Towns on Northside. Northside, yeah. You remember bust down. That's the one. Bust down, dude from New Orleans who had that song nasty. Oh, yeah. I once saw him at Chocletown. 17 years old. I saw him at Chocletown. He was open up a slip. Oh, there he is. It was also 17. You don't like to point out. You had no business being in there, man. Like I said, Slim Thug was performing. He was also 17. I mean, it was that was the man. We didn't even say them about Michael 5,000 Watts dog. No, no, no. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, Michael 5,000 Watts, man. Let me say, the importance of 5,000 Watts that the whole Switch House thing was that was a legitimate, that was legitimizing that Northside life in a way that really hadn't happened up until that point, right? You think it wouldn't like that when rappers that was from the Northside, right? Oh, yeah. But, no, have a Switch House game, game change. Yeah. I mean, it brought the city together in a way, you know? Over, overall, Switch House had better rappers. I give you that. I give you that. I give you that. I'll set that. We all here. Shout out to Paul, shout out to Hockey, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, damn, I completely forgot about this. And we're patching this into the podcast. I don't even know where we're patching it in. But I'm going to ask everybody this until I get bored with it. Joel, what would be the funniest name to turn up in the Epstein files? I say Tim Tebow. Oh, wow. That's a really good one. That's a really good one. You know, it wouldn't be funny, but I would love to see him have to talk Tom Brady. I would love to see him have to talk to him. It would be, it would be funny. It would be. Ooh. Like Tom. Hey, I tell you this. Oh, I forgot Epstein was the Democrat, because I was about to say it's a little bit surprising. Bill Bellichick ain't turned up in there. I mean, a lot of his homies in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We could play this game for the rest of our lives. Funny names that turn up in the Epstein files. Look, man, I just, I've been going through it just every night again. Like, I don't even know. Ooh, I got what? Lou Holtz. Oh, man. You know, man. And you know what? That is his crew. That's his squad. That's his squad. Look, because he was on the some American, American first thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That man lost his job doing a commercial for Jesse Helms. I mean, you mean, he's, I mean, he is died in a wool for this shit, bro. And look, in the funny thing about this for people that don't know, he did lost his job at Arkansas. Arkansas. It was a different time. It was a different time. Well, one, they wanted to fire him anyway. I think that's the important note, but also don't forget Lou Holtz brought Blackass prop 48 ass Tony Rice to be the national championship in Notre Dame. A higher trolley strong is deep. It's a coordinated South Carolina in 2001. I say all that to say it's just a little weird out here in these football streets. People are complicated. It's weird in these streets. But yes, he's complicated. I got a homeboy that played for Holtz in the 90s. He's from Missouri City. He's a legend. You can. Jimmy Friday. That's right. And I hope I'm not talking about school, Jimmy. But I think he's, it's complicated. Like how he feels about Lou Holtz. Yeah. But I keep thinking next time I'll ask you for another Epstein day. I'm gonna start preparing people. I'll be ready for it. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this four times a week. Ryan Brumbley, hand us everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Hit the voicemail line. 3, 2, 3, 5, 9, 6, 7, 7, 6, 7. Remember, follow the right time. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us. Give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. And we'll talk to you guys in a couple of days. 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