Armchair Anonymous: Unique Kink
39 min
•Feb 20, 20263 months agoSummary
Armchair Expert's anonymous episode features callers sharing unusual sexual kinks and fetishes in candid conversations. Topics range from prosthetic eye attraction to forced gay dynamics, toe nibbling, and the role of vulnerability and trust in intimate relationships. The hosts discuss how shame around unconventional desires impacts relationships and mental health.
Insights
- Vulnerability and trust are primary drivers of sexual attraction, often more powerful than physical acts themselves
- Shame around non-harmful kinks creates unnecessary relationship friction and prevents partners from understanding each other's needs
- Sexual preferences rooted in childhood comfort (parental touch, soothing behaviors) are common but often carry unwarranted stigma
- Communication about desires early in relationships allows partners to make informed choices rather than discovering incompatibilities later
- Sex addiction and compulsive sexual behavior deserve clinical treatment and community support equivalent to substance addiction recovery programs
Trends
Increasing normalization of discussing sexual preferences in mainstream media and podcastsGrowing recognition that sex addiction (SLA) lacks the institutional support and destigmatization that alcoholism (AA) achieved decades agoShift toward viewing unconventional sexual interests through lens of consent and harm-reduction rather than moral judgmentLong-distance relationship dynamics enabled by technology (Zoom, FaceTime, AirPods) creating new power dynamics in intimate relationshipsYounger generations more willing to disclose kinks and fetishes in dating/relationship contexts compared to previous generations
Topics
Sexual vulnerability and intimacyKink disclosure in relationshipsChildhood trauma and sexual preferencesSex addiction recovery and SLA programsLong-distance relationship logisticsDom/sub power dynamicsShame and stigma around non-normative sexualityCommunication strategies for sexual compatibilityProsthetic limbs and disability in intimate contextsForced gay fantasy and role-playFoot fetishes and toe nibblingParental touch and comfort behaviorsConsent and boundaries in group sexual scenariosTechnology's role in intimate relationshipsMental health impacts of sexual shame
Companies
HubSpot
Sponsor providing customer platform and data analytics tools; featured in mid-roll ad read about business data utiliz...
People
Dax Shepard
Co-host of Armchair Expert; facilitates conversations and provides commentary on callers' sexual experiences and rela...
Monica Padman
Co-host of Armchair Expert; engages with callers, offers relationship advice, and shares personal perspectives on int...
Quentin Tarantino
Referenced as filmmaker who has incorporated foot fetish content into mainstream cinema, normalizing the kink in popu...
Tim Ferris
Mentioned as interviewer of Armchair Expert hosts; caller references discovering the show through Tim Ferris interview
Quotes
"When you know more, you grow more."
Dax Shepard (HubSpot ad read)•Early in episode
"Kinks are about trust."
Monica Padman•End of episode discussion
"I am just a dildo. Right. Right. You're a prop for her. She's in charge of both of you."
David (caller)•Forced gay story
"It's not causing anyone any harm or anything. No. Some kinks do. They get a little dangerous. Yeah, this one's very benign and cute."
Monica Padman and Dax Shepard•Rico's toe nibbling story
"SLA is currently at the acceptance level that AA was in the 40s where men were having to really hide that they were alcoholics."
Dax Shepard•Rico's recovery discussion
Full Transcript
Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armed Chair Anonymous. I'm Dan Chepard. I'm joined by Lily Padman. We're thrilled about this one. Look, one of our favorite things is hearing that people listen to this show with their kids. It's so fun to hear that. This is not that episode. This is not that episode. It's not and yet it's almost more PG than Ratwater bottle. Well, that's a gross factor, but the middle one goes hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I mean, these are great. They're great. They're great, but you're right. They're cute. They're cuter than we were expected. Yeah. Of course, it's unique kinks. Tell us about a unique kink you have. I loved it. It won't be the lap. Well, it might be the last. These are brave individuals. Yeah. We're really grateful to the people who wrote in for this one because very vulnerable. Very vulnerable. We appreciate it. Please enjoy unique kinks. We are supported by HubSpot. Did you know that most businesses, Monica, only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Yeah, or a pain for a coffee that's one fifth full. Yuck. Point is you miss a lot unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data. You need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs and transcripts, all that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. When you get a full cup of coffee, you can do more too. But I digress. Visit HubSpot.com today. Hi, how are you? Good. How are you? Good. Are you nervous? Yeah. Don't be nervous. I'm so proud of anyone that responded to this prompt. I think it's incredible. I was like, well, this is kind of awkward. Hopefully you'll find that we're the perfect people for awkward. Do you want to fake name? It's okay. Okay, great. And do you go by Amanda or do you go by Mandy? Amanda, my family calls me Mandy. I had a hunch. That's cute. Yeah, if I had an Amanda, I'm sure I'd end up calling her Mandy. It's a good nickname. We call Delta Delty. Everything gets just an E at the end. Linky, Delta, money. Where are you at Amanda? Ohio. Oh my goodness. We just got off the phone with someone from Canton, Ohio. Oh, really? That's where my husband works. That's crazy. Yeah. So you're in that general area of Ohio? Yeah. Mansfield area. Okay. And are you from there? Yep. This is where I grew up. Now, do you ever go to Shapel's town? I don't think I've ever heard of that. Well, Shapel lives in some town by Dayton. And I think he's bought up most of the town in his stand-up, he claims. Dave Shapel. I literally thought you met a place called Shapel Town. Oh, sure. Maybe I'll change that to the name. Actually, I think it's in your Springfield because my cousin lives there. Okay. But you've never been curious to go see what's happening over there. I have it. Yeah. Okay. So you have a kink story. Yes. So it's a very strange turn-on, I guess I would say. Oh, I have a lovely, yeah. The stranger, the better. I grew up knowing of my husband. We went to the same school growing up, but I didn't really know him. We weren't really friends. I just knew of him, especially because he has something about him that makes him stand out. That's like different. Oh, yeah. So when I moved back to my hometown as an adult, we reconnected. And so I remember who he was because of that unique thing, which is that he has one eye. Uh-huh. Okay. Very memorable. And really quick, what grade was it that you stopped being around him? We went to school together. All the way to senior year. Yeah. How long had you been gone? I had been graduated for like six years in Z wearing a patch. No, so he has a prosthetic. I started dating him. And that's why I remember him. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's the kid I went to school with. He had one eye. There wasn't very many of them. Did he pay a big price for that? Are kids nice to him? Sometimes kids can be jerks, but nothing too terrible. It's not like super noticeable. Study how fast forward we started dating and things were going really good. And then one night before we were going to bed, he said, okay, well, we're about to move to the next step in our relationship. And I'm like, you mean apparently his eye was irritated. And so he was like, I'm going to take my eye out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's good. So I'm going to sleep with it in at this point. I guess I never thought about the fact that his eye comes out. Right. I wouldn't know that. I didn't think about it. He always had it in. He sleeps with it in like I'd never seen him without it. So I just assumed it stays in. Yeah. Yeah. So he takes his eye out really quick. How long were you dating? Probably like seven months or so. I'd ask them a ton of questions about his eye before because I was just curious. But I never thought to ask like, hey, does that thing come out? Yeah. It's stuck around. Yeah. Yeah. Can I hold your eye? So yeah, he took his eye out. And ever since then, I don't know if it's because he looks rough and tough and sexy or if it's just the vulnerability. But I find him so attractive and I get all hot and bothered when he takes it out. When he got his eye out, I love that. I do too. I could see that being all of those things. Like he trust you and that's hot. I know. So I find him so attractive. That's my like unique turn on is when my husband takes his eye out. So like if fifth late at night and he takes that thing out, it's go job. Oh. He's so lucky. He just has like one thing he has to do. I know. I wish I had something like it. Yeah. When I take my nose off real quick and though let's get to it. That's awesome. Now, were there stages or it's first of all watching him remove it? What was that like? Or did he do it privately, removing it and then show you or did he do the whole thing in front of you? I wanted to watch. I was like, Oh, this is so cool. So he popped it out and I asked him if I could hold it. Yeah. It looked so different than I thought it would to. I've never seen a prosthetic guy before. I thought it would be like a round ball. No, it wasn't. What is it? It's actually got like little square corners on the edge and like hold it in place. It was definitely neat. I'm going to get really perverse on you. How deep in can you see you look into where the eye was? You can see his whole eye socket. People ask this all the time. My sister was so nosy. It's like one that looked like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks like the tissue inside your mouth. Oh, okay. It's like pink. Just a empty little socket. Yeah. And you kiss it. You kiss the socket I would. Oh my god. Actually, I have to be a little. No, I mean, that's what the first thing is. Never kiss the socket. Why? Okay. I really get it. Very vulnerable. Yeah. Different. How sweet. So how long have you guys been together now? We've been married for almost 10 years now. Oh wow. Now have you ever been around anyone else with a prosthetic eye and been like, oh, I haven't. My dad has one leg, but both eyes. Wait, did he have one like growing up? He got ran over on a motorcycle. It was right before he graduated. So I've only ever known him with one leg. Yeah. I think that paves the way for this and away. Yeah. We always make jokes. Like, my dad has one leg. My husband has one eye. They're like pirate. Together, they make one perfect pirate. Yeah. Oh my gosh. He's a good dad. He's a good husband, but together, they make a perfect pirate. If he's ever being annoying the husband and you're like so annoyed with him, are you just like, can you just take your eye out so I can like you again? Whenever we're mad, he was like, watch this. Now can he drive because what I understand about stereoscopic vision is that you don't have depth perception if you only have one eye. Does he have depth perception issues? He doesn't have depth perception. No, because he's just got the one, but I mean, he drives. They let him. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Well, man, it is a very uplifting story. I really like it. Yeah. Yeah. I would want this for him. He had he had girlfriends in high school. He did. Actually, I asked him if he ever used it as a pickup line. He said he used to use it as a pickup line and it actually works. Wow. What was the line, do you know? I don't know the specifics, but I just know like before we'd start dating and like, did you use this to your advantage? Because I had one eye. I'd be like, oh, did you ask him? I feel like I would be like, how many people have you taken your eye out for? Oh. Because that is a new level. And never taken his eye out in front of anyone except for his mom. That's so sweet. Oh. Oh. Well, if he's like, girl, I would take my eye out for you in your heart. Oh, that is a good pickup line. But he wouldn't because that's a pickup line. He's a liar. You have to wait seven months. Too funny. Yeah. You've got to wait seven months then hoping to get that to earn it. The comedian and me cannot help but try to think of what line I would want to use. Sure. I got to like construct what I would say if I had one. Like it doesn't take two eyes to see that you're gorgeous. Oh. Something along those lines. Sure. Sure. Maybe you can ask him and write back and we can report back. I'll keep you posted. But I'll keep working on it. I'll keep working on it. Well, this was great. Yeah. So Amanda, you listeners your husband or neither or both me. My friend actually, I work with her. She's the one who showed me the podcast. And so then we always look at the stories and I was like, oh my gosh, I have to write in. You did. Yeah, me too. Well, it's a delight to meet you. Thanks for sharing that with us. Thank you guys. Send our love to your husband because he's a participant unwillingly. All right. Bye. I'm going to get to you too. I would feel really lucky if someone took their eye out for me. Of course. Especially if it wasn't prosthetic. Well, yeah. They just poke themselves. I would bring you. I would bring you. I would bring you some man pops's healthy eye out. You just got rid of your bilateral serious pelvic vision for me. Well, I do like sacrifice. Hi. David, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Are you in a log cabin? I was going to say you're in a wood paradise right now. Well, I'm in Rhode Island. Oh, I love this. But it looks like a hunting lodge vibe. Yeah, it's just my living room. The closet's here too small. It's so cute. Thank you. What are these antlers next to the door? Well, it's kind of just for display. Sure. Do they serve as coat racks? Not really. Oh my gay man. It's cute. It's really nice. It's decorative. We don't hang our coats on antlers. We don't. And are you from Rhode Island, David? Yep. I grew up here, born and raised. So hopefully not giving the little brother energy. Oh my god. I was about to say it. And then I stopped myself. So it's like, that's mean. You are not giving little brother energy. This is big brother. Big brother. Big brother. Big boy. Big boy. Big boy. Energy. Good. Big boy energy. I mean, you have a salad bar for me. I know. Because big boy hamburgers stop. That's right. You might be our first Rhode Islander. You know, breaking the stereotype that I have in my head. So this is great. What was the Rhode Island stereotype today? Well, little brother energy. As we established. Yeah. Well, times still don't really understand. I don't understand how a steak can have energy. I'm trying so hard to be like. I think brother Boston or New York. Listen, I think Rhode Island has like, I don't give a fuck energy. I do too. I like that. Robins like, oh no, our gangsters are even nastier than y'alls. Totally. They're like telling you that. Because they need you to know. They really need you to know. Really tough, as you can see. Funny enough, they're like you, tiny and mighty. You should love them. I love it. It's gorgeous. Any of you ever left for some period of time or just born there and stayed there? Yeah. I've lived in different places. I've lived in Canada. I've lived out in California. I was in Palm Springs for a bit. So I've been around. But Rhode Island has a little bit of a gravitational pull. It keeps bringing you back. You're close to a lot of wonderful things, right? You're close to the cape and Martha's vineyards not far, right? You can ski. There's beaches. I mean, it's all here. Come visit Rhode Island. Yeah. This was a good ad for Rhode Island tourism. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you have an interesting kink. I think we use the word unique, but I would also say we could have said interesting. It's not my kink. This is a Tinder story. Oh, wonderful. Oh, wonderful. And usually for me, Tinder is not my go-to because you know, you want different things at different times, different moods and Tinder is very like black and white, swipe right, swipe left. I prefer grinder where you have the grid and you have different options. And so I was kind of on it. I was bored and I was just kind of swiping along and the sky popped up and he was an amateur bodybuilder. And so there's all these pictures of him flexing, it's biceps, it's triceps. And it was like, whatever your mood is, he's going to be a swipe right. That means yes. That's a yes. Okay. Great. So we swipe right. I match. And we start chatting and I'm like, well, what are you looking for? What are you into? And he's like, well, I'm into something pretty specific and I'm a 42 year old gay man. I feel like I've heard at this point most things. Yeah, you're like, don't flatter yourself. Yeah, I'm like, hit me. Yeah. But he says, well, have you ever heard of forced gay? I go, no, it's not something that's been on my radar. And he goes, well, I have this girlfriend in Australia and she's a professional dom. She's my mistress. And she likes watching me get fucked in the ass by men on camera. Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow. And I go, well, do you enjoy getting fucked? Right. Great question. On camera. Yeah, yeah. And he goes, I enjoy making her happy and she really enjoys seeing this. And I guess this is like the dom sub dynamic. She's like, you do this. Your big boy, what was it? I didn't do a good job. I was like, you do this. You didn't, isn't it? Please do it right now. You didn't imbue like great authority. I think in any other situation, like nine times a time, I think I'd be like, I'm good. This feels too complicated, right? There'll be someone watching in Australia. We got a time zone to think about. I just don't know that it's my thing, but he was really sexy. Oh, yeah. Also, when you step into the unknown, I find this is when you learn about yourself. So how bad could it be? So I say yes. The first hiccup was that it was this like logistical nightmare because she's in Australia. He's two hours away. She get to like watch over Zoom or something? Yeah. That's the whole thing she wants to watch it. So we finally picked the time and we're going to do it at my house and I see him come down the driveway and I'm like reliving it now. I'm going to sweat. Yeah. So he parks his car and he gets out and he's kind of pacing back and forth in my driveway. And I can see that he's speaking and I thought that maybe he was like giving himself a pep talk. And then I realized he's got the AirPods on so that he's actually talking to his girlfriend, this mistress. So I open the door and he comes inside. Really quick. Do you offer him a water? I don't think I did. Why is she called a mistress if she's just his girlfriend? Well, because subdom is probably just like sexy speed. I don't know. Like my mistress, you know, I just didn't know if like someone's married and they were because that's normally what the word mistress is used for. I agree with you, but immediately when I heard subdom, I'm like, well, that's clearly one of these terms that the mistress again. I don't know. Okay. I didn't do my house. The thing that immediately surprised me was that I could hear her talking to him. Oh, the AirPods. Oh, she's like giving directions. Yes. And she's going, tell him how excited you are to get fucked. And he's like, I'm so excited to get fucked. And she goes, tell him how much you like come. And he's like, oh, I just love come. And I'm like, okay. Forced gay. Like, it really is forced. She's saying exactly what he has to do. Yeah. Like piloting. I was going to say to me, it feels like you're about to have sex with a remote control car. Like someone is completely controlling. Or like Iron Man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, let's go upstairs. And so we go into my room and he pulls out his tripod that he has. He has like a whole set up so that she can watch. And now I'm thinking, I'm like, I don't know what I signed up for. Like, I might be in the little bit over my head. Sure. Well, I mean, a porn that's distributed. Yes. And so she's on this phone. I think I couldn't see her because I was starting to get nervous that it was going to be like a FaceTime experience. But she could see us and he immediately starts undressing. He climbs onto my bed and he's just like, ass up. What can I pause you though for one second? Please. I'm putting myself in this situation. I would be like, oh my god, this is crazy. I don't even know. Does he really want any of this? And then he would get naked and be like, oh, you know what? All that went out the window. Did you have that moment? You're like, okay. This is going to be a party. I was more like, oh, I am just a dildo. Right. Right. You're a prop for her. She's in charge of both of you. Yeah. I'm a prop and he's being piloted. Like this is not about me. His ear pod fell out while he's in the middle and he's like, hold on. Yeah. I don't know what I'm supposed to do now. And he is really sexy and I'm like trying to get hard because I'm like, well, I am a dildo and I am just completely at this point in my head. And I'm just like, now I'm doing hand gesture. I'm just like pulling like harder and harder and harder. Like I'm trying to start a fire. Sure. Sure. I'm going to really bring it to attention. Yeah, because this isn't, well, I guess it's just some people it could be sexy. Monica, it was not sexy. I got like half mass enough that I was like, I think I can achieve penetration. So I climb on top of him and I'm like trying to stick it in and it's not really going and she's continuing to speak and she's telling him like, tell him how much you want his load. Oh my God. And then she's like barking out orders of like, move the camera to the right. Move the camera to the left. Oh my God. And she's basically now like directing it. I was like, guys, I just need a minute. I'm stepping out. Yeah. And she needs a calm down and barking or it's like at least the ace of it, in one command, she did go to jail for a second. It was also like in this Australian accent that I found a little bit, it was just a lot. Yeah, it was like the woman who wouldn't come to it. Yeah, it can get grading and I love the accent, but if they're not giving you a good message, it can be grading. So I go into my living room, I just need to check in with myself. I was like, is this even still, yes, right, for you, because it's definitely not a hell Yeah, but it's not like an active violence against myself for me to like fuck this beautiful man on my bed What I needed though was like some entry point into the eroticism Well, you guys weren't connecting one ayoda. He's dialed exclusively into her Well, it's like you're telling someone a story and they're scrolling on their phone not present So I need something I can latch onto and I was like well, I guess it's like kind of sweet that he's doing this thing for this woman That he really loves that they have this really special connection I'm like I think I can work with that. You're trying to find your way in I'm trying to find your way in desperately trying to find my way in yeah, I'm like I will do this for them Like this isn't gonna be for me. I'm just gonna give them a performance like that's what they want So I pulled up some porn on my phone all systems go went into the bad room climbed on top and she's still Directing and talking and I'm just using like a hundred percent of my brain stay in it. Oh God There's zero percent chance that I'm gonna come but they really want that and I was like I'm just gonna pretend They're not gonna know it's like I'm inside of him like he doesn't know he's not even gay So I like do this really performative orgasm. She loves it. He loves it He hangs up with her which was nice and then he's finally present in the room and he was like that was really hot Do you have any feedback for me like anything you want to share as an actor as a partner and I was like well Yeah, I didn't realize that your girlfriend was gonna be so present Fucking this man in the ass was like the straightest thing that I've ever done It would have been nice to chat with her about Expectations and what she wanted to get out of it and also the bitch needs to commit to an angle Yeah, you micro-managing Yeah, you can either commit to one angle and see decent sex hopefully or do this Micro-management and see pretty bad sex Yeah, yeah, and he was like Oh, can I call her back so that you can get for that feedback and I was like no yeah Oh wow did he ever reach out again? Did he want around to he didn't he didn't want around one The whole thing was a little suspicious because I guess he actually maybe just gay and this girlfriend's a cover for it This is permission structure There's a lot you could do a lot of armchair is psycho and a Alice's on the whole scenario That's my story that was a great that's a story I never heard about that forced gay I do wonder if they ever even have been together they met on the internet and this whole relationship Taking place with her in Australia over the internet. I kind of thought maybe she wasn't even gonna be real like oh I have this girlfriend in Australia right again like kind of masking she was definitely real Real bossy Well, she knew what she wanted it was basically you were having sex with her. That's what it felt like did you have any sense of Whether she was masturbating or not she must have been yeah, oh, I don't know I don't know much about female masturbation admittedly. I don't know if I would have picked up on the queue I think you would have I don't think she was Hmm, I mean if you could hear her else is she watching it if not to masturbate what would be the point of putting this guy through all this power Yeah, it might not be a sexual kink. I hope she's our next caller. I'll tell you that you could get this story from every angle Yeah, kind of like she Well, that was great Teaching us yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Tell me more about your dwelling. I'm just so Was it built in the 50s or 70s 1978? 78 yeah, it's kind of this like mid-century Ish cabin in the forest here in Rhode Island. It's very cozy. We just had a footest now It's very picture-eyed you got a wood burning stove somewhere in there downstairs. Oh Baby, you're so handsome. I wish you lived in LA. I could cite you up with jazz. Oh You also seem fun to be around so it'd be fun. Yeah, I am single. Oh Maybe you should come visit if you ever traveled to LA. Yeah, give us a ring I'll do that and if you be more comfortable Monica can be on phone call with the whole time you guys are Well wonderful, meaning you David. This was delightful nice meeting you guys take care. All right, bye I just said I Wasn't a fart You know every time I fart like it says bless you really quickly like she's really got it It's her first thought and I said it's such a good joke and I'm just so impressed how immediately Yeah, that's great Oh Hello, I'm calling you Rico. Yeah, I'm Rico. How are you Rico? I'm doing good as you see my audience is not perfect I'm not in the closet. No, you're fine. I apologize But if you wanted to wait I should be home in about five minutes to in the closet like you guys requested or we can just go Let's go let's party. Yeah, if you're up for it. Let's party. Yeah Where are you driving around? I was training with my Spin so here. Hi. What state are you in? We are in Florida. Okay, so you guys and us are about the only people not miserable right now Yeah, I heard that the rest of the country is suffering from CO degrees and a lot of snow and as you can see short sleeves short Oh, baby, baby, so Rico where are you from my I'm from Puerto Rico. That's from my accent's from but I've been in the United States since I was 18 But yeah, my accent is not going. That's okay. It's very charming. I wouldn't try to get rid of it Yeah, I keep it working Okay, so you have a unique king and we're so excited to hear about it Yeah, so before anything I just want you to know I am in the same right now I've been like they dreaming about this and just thinking wow, you know, maybe one day they're gonna interview me Good when I saw the prompt I just want like oh, this is me Ding ding ding ding The king is one that I've been always hiding ashamed off and just very curious Who can I open myself to Sharing about this it feels something that lingers in there and I wish I could somehow cure it But let me just give you the point right now later on I'll give you the climax the point is that my unusual king is I like my Toes nibbled on oh Okay, I wonder if this is not uncommon. What's his start with? I think most people would enjoy their toes being nibbled on I Fantasized about this even when I've got it massages. I would be extra I'll tell you how this started most kids will be comforted by their parents Through a blankie or a teddy bear and in my case, there was my mom you soon they will have my toes Oh, yeah, I love that that was a thing that it would suit me and I am a parent right now I do anything to indulge my kid and to help him like get through the day whatever it is and my mom would do that I am one of four kids. I was the only one that requested this okay It went on for many years but around maybe when I was turning eight years old We began to get looks by other family members or even siblings He's just like what is this woman doing with him? It just looks weird. Yeah sure I would pick up on those hints and then my mom I would see her like side bands You're say like now almost like we're doing something table. Oh Yeah, and imagine it yourself. I'm just learning what's right. What's wrong? But anyhow my mom stopped doing it But I still had that need to suit myself So I just learned to actually bring my toes to my mouth. Oh my god You can get your toes in your mouth. I can still do it. Oh Wow, and it would work if you did it to yourself. You still got the same sense Yeah, so got it. It's not as good as when she was doing it, but right of course that got me through that season of my life Wait, can I just say real quick? There's a couple things I want to point out like one is my mom Oh, he strokes the side of my hair really gently and she just grazes my ear and I love it And she still as an adult if she is in town I lay in her lap and she says you want me to pet the side of your head And I say yes, and like that's totally acceptable, right? But all these things are so fucking arbitrary Yeah, like for some reason it's totally fine This stroke your kids ear, but then yeah to nibble on the toes is something and it's just very quite arbitrary And then even you sucking your toes people suck their thumb You might be worried they're gonna get buck teeth But you don't think there's any moral imperative being broken who gives a fuck what digits you're sucking the suit Okay, I wanted to say all those things Yeah, my whole family knows about this. They still to this day will sometimes bring it up They ask me do you still do it whatever? I've just sort of avoid the topic just because I had that shame. Yeah, move on into the future I started getting into serious relationships with women and like I said, I've wanted to get that itch scratched and I've been lucky that I've had some great partners in my life who wanted to indulge me But I remember it's just like the very first long partner that I had She didn't want she would see the phase that I was just turning to an emotional Nirvana. Yeah, that's what I needed, you know, it's like the best my session in the world I should probably like once or twice each act is so weird and then the shame returns You know, I can't do it anymore Sometimes honestly when I'm in the bedroom by myself. I was just like never on my toilet a little bit. So we just do it myself next relationship Same thing I just Risk can I Test this person so they should do it with me she would do it once and then be like oh, it's so weird You know my toes are washed I drew my nails But it was just too weird and I go back to being in shame about it now fast forward to now I am engaged to a Smoke show. Yeah, we saw her. She's beautiful. Yeah, sorry. She's a knockout. Thank you. Same thing. I saw when I was her and we're Little by little confessing things about ourselves and I just Confessed one day. It's just like hey, you know, this is one king if you couldn't dodge me We just like change everything right off the bat. No, it's too weird. No way And I just go back to my shame and things are going right between us But it's always this thing that I've won it and like I said if I could pay somebody to do it as a part-time gig It would be the one thing as a billionaire. I would definitely have a team I Mean a really hard time understanding why these women think it's so weird. I've sucked on girls toes I don't think it's weird. I don't give a fuck right? I would totally do it Like I'm giving my girl full massage and I'm like doing her toes. I least giving her kisses It's not the same for her. It's not being the same for anybody else like it is for me But anyhow the climax over this story was and during the beginning of the relationship with my Currency if I can just get a little bit more explicit if it's possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my son listens to this podcast One day we're in the bedroom. We're having fun and it's amazing. I guess that she's super hot I'm just looking at her body and she is writing me reverse cowgirl I'm just looking at her curves as I am play-maxing into that moment like this soul amazing She bends down Oh Seen in the matrix Neil gets disconnected from the machine, you know like I don't know if I went offline or if I came online Yeah, you combined it all so glad she gave that to you. Yes Nothing can equal that gift to me. It just took me to a different place and when she saw one an incredible reaction Elicited out of you did it encourage her to do that war very reluctantly, but she'll do it that might even be the best version where it's like You don't know when it's coming Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's a special treat Sometimes we are like getting each other foot most judges and for other TV as we're watching something and then it'll just come over me Like my you're gonna risk it. Hey, do you mind like never learn all my pinky? Yeah I make sure it's crazy my nasal cut everything says to make it as comfortable as possible and she like Neville on it and I'm like oh Wow, I have a logistical question if you don't mind and you don't have to answer if you don't want to but is it like with teeth or is it like Sucking what's the actual mechanism to me like the highest level of pressure with my pinky toe With your bottom teeth biting against the nail Sometimes that fatty part of my toes where the fat is on the bottom kind of like where your fingerprints are and that is yeah, okay It's like they're eating corn on the cob. Yeah, it is literally nibbling. Yeah. Oh, oh, this is so doable Have you ever had a dog nibble on your toes? It being closed and I thought about it. It's just like maybe I can train a dog with peanut butter Hahaha We found your make someone happy. It's harder to do with people who don't have any kinks. The more honestly you have with your partner, the more you can unlock secrets within yourselves that just shortcut you to get the results that you want, especially if your partner comes home and they are not in a great mood, it's just like, oh, maybe it is, I should just put on some music because that's the thing that they want. It's so easy to indulge a person if they're thing, or my partner is she wants food massages. No problem, no. Massage of feed, it helps you on wine. It's so simple for me. Sometimes they just don't display movies as often so they're not part of the culture. Well, I think Quentin Tarantino's gotten close. I think if anyone was gonna give it to you, it'd probably be Tarantino. But even that's wrapped in like, oh, it's naughty. It's not in your vanilla sex scene, which it should be. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my god, if I still in that already movie, I probably rewind that scene just to like see a couple of different things. Yeah, of course. I was actually watching Aladdin the other day, and I remember how somebody called saying that Aladdin would get her horny. I don't know if you remember that one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was pumping her stairs in her basement or something. Yeah, she was. I think those masturbation stories. Yeah. God, we've really run the gambit on the floor. Yeah, we'll do it all here. I wanted to tell you that I listen on road trips, like I say, even with my son sometimes, there are some ones that I have to just put the headphones on him and be like, don't worry about this. But we love it. My fans and I are faithful listeners. But like I said, I just wouldn't want to show this with anybody because it's unusual and I have shame around it. Oh, Rico, but liberate you from this scene. Yeah. This is so harmless and lovely. Yeah. This isn't causing anyone any harm or anything. No. Some kinks do. They get a little dangerous. Yeah, this one's very benign and cute. Oh, thank you. Monica would nibble your toes if you were dating. You were right. Yeah, if you were dating, I would do it. I wanted to tell you guys both something. One of them, of course, Monica, I'm not going to be hitting on you for a quick minute if I may hit on you. Sure. Before I do a backstack, I came across you guys through the interview with Tim Ferris. But I love your day seven episode because I'm also in recovery. I've been sober for about two and a half years. My recovery is from sex and porn editor. And that one, you know, with all that shame when I was listening to your day seven, I just felt like I had to stop and cry, stop and cry, stop and cry. It really helped me a lot. By the way, I've never seen who you guys were before. Later on, I like, go, who is that? I'm like, I'm going to go, oh, yeah, I've got fun punk. And you know, she's like, this guy is good looking at the tools. We all see a right thing, me. I'm like, I don't want to listen to this. I'm not having this so bad. But then I listen to Monica just being at the end of towards you and I am a sucker for attention. And I'm like, who is this chick? I do you. Monica, your eyes heal. This is so nice. It's so flatter. I'm next to you. I can't with these three people. And I wish that one day you do bring some sort of sex addiction expert every time one of us that have addiction get changed or just get me to identify these. Like, oh, no, they're just me. Some of their stupid because not about that on this program want to win the harm. But some of us have some shame around it that we just rather not carry on living. All you have to is bring a little bit of awareness on understanding. And I think that could heal a lot of people in the community. A lot of people in the world since you guys have so much reach. Rico, I totally agree. I say this often about SLA. SLA is currently at the acceptance level that AA was in the 40s where men were having to really hide that they were alcoholics. It was so shame inducing. And I feel terrible that SLA is decades behind the acceptance of people in AA. And it's totally unfair. And I know and love many people in that program. And I'll applaud the people in that program because if part of my recovery was I had to use cocaine successfully in a healthy way, good luck to me, man. And I say this about people in AA as well. It's like you got to eat so that you have to wrestle your addiction three times a day or to have relationships and have a sexual relationship and be trying to keep that in the boundaries of what's good for you. It's a really impressive undertaking. And I have a lot of admiration for the people who are tackling it. It's very difficult. It does become beautiful because you figure out, like in my case, if I was just very obsessed with something, we just take so many hours of your day and then now when you open that up, we're like, oh, now I can actually walk my dog. I can paint more. I can do my hobbies. Life just triples in terms of the things that actually give me fulfillment. Rico, it's identical in that the preoccupation of addiction steals your presence from all other things you're doing. That's a great way to say it, man. Yeah. Well, it's beautiful to meet you. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed this. I hope this sim moment was good for you because it was for us. Thank you so much and I appreciate your time today. Hope to see you again for another on Turn On In Must. Absolutely. Take care. Have a great day. Oh, man, I love him. Me too. Rico, we love you. Oh, man. Oh, that was great. Yeah. It feels like such a tiny request. I agree. But you don't want to shame anyone who doesn't want to do it. Yeah, I know. This is where things like no one should do what they don't want to do. Yeah, absolutely. And it's sad to me that he has so much shame around that because it's not that big of a deal. As you said, quite benign. It's benign. It's not a bunion. It's not a bunion. Although he had a bunion, I bet he loved it. I mean, I would maybe want to nibble on a bunion. Then it combines the eye thing and nibbling on the toes. You're like your full acceptance. You're like your full acceptance. That's like you kind of want to chew it off. And maybe they're insecure about it and you let them know and love your bunion. Trust. Look, Kings are about trust. Yeah. You heard it here first. I invented that. I love you. I love you. Do you want to sing a tune or something? I think so. Okay, great. We don't have a thing. So for this new show, so here I go, go, go. We're going to add some random questions and with the help of our cherries, we'll get some suggestions. I'm a flyer, Ryan Dish. I'm a flyer, Ryan Dish. Enjoy. I'm a flyer, Ryan Dish. Enjoy.