Rachel Sennott

Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Very excited about our guest today. It is the great Rachel Senate, a super interesting funny charismatic actress, producer, writer. You know her from the film Shiva Baby, from bodies, bodies, bodies, from bottoms. She has a new show that's out right now in HBO called I Love LA. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about so many things. Open Mike Knights. We're going to talk about TikTok and how to use it and work it and what we love about it. She's going to give me fashion advice and she's going to give me reasons to love LA, which is what her show is all about. So very great conversation. But before we get started, we always talk to someone who knows our guest, who can tell me something about our guest and give me a question to ask our guest. And we have another supremely talented delightful young woman joining us today, Molly Gordon. Molly Gordon is an actor. You may know her from the hit show The Bear, where she plays Claire. She is Claire on the bear. And she's in film such as theater camp and oh, hi. She's super talented. And Molly is going to join us and give us some info about her buddy Rachel. Hi, Molly. Can you hear me? This episode of Good Hang is presented by Walmart Express delivery, getting gifts to your doorstep in as fast as an hour. Who needs elves when Walmart express delivery can make nespresso machines magically appear on your doorstep. And if you do happen to forget something, no judgment. You can even order gifts up until 5 p.m. on December 24th. Santa, you might want to take notes. Download the Walmart app or head to Walmart.com and get your gifts delivered fast subject to availability, terms, and fees apply. I'm glad I'm what he's saying. I never wanted to be good. Hey, it's nice to meet you. Yeah, I've always seen you from afar. And like I'm trying to send you very intense love. And I don't know if I've fully found my way over it. But yeah, but honestly, I've been listening to your podcast before I go to sleep. So you've been spending a lot of intimate time with me. Oh, yeah, that makes me feel happy. I'm thrilled you wanted to talk today. But I'm so excited to talk about my wife. So she really is your wife. I was looking at the stuff that you and Rachel have done together and how long you've known each other. And you really are married, legally married. We're legally married. Yeah, she's my wife. We talk every single day. Well, if one of us doesn't respond, we'll just keep calling. And it's hard to know when it's like an emergency or not, I would say with with her. But yeah, she's an incredible human being. And like, I you guys together is going to be magic. Well, I'm thrilled to talk about her today with you. But before I do, let's not forget about Molly. Okay. What's Molly up to today? I'm prepping a movie that I'm going to direct. Fantastic. That I'm actually going to send you, Ami, at some point. So we can have to tell me live on the podcast if you want to be a part of it or not. But I'm good. I just I made hot tea and then I burn. I like burn my whole mouth and then spit it out all over the computer. And that's kind of where I'm at right now. Let's talk about tea for a second because I'm a tea girl more than a coffee girl. Are you two? I like tea. I violently wake up and I want like seven coffees of matcha. Then I have a tea around three. Okay. And what kind of tea do you like to drink? So I love this hot cinnamon spice, Harley, uh, honey and sun's tea, but usually English breakfast or peppermint. You thanks for asking. I enjoy my favorite tea is an Irish tea called berries tea, which I highly recommend. And it's a black tea. And I don't like any other, I mean, maybe occasionally I'll do a peppermint. Like if I've had a like a big meal, of course, I want to chill out. We needed to move through. I got it. Yeah, totally. But I've switched entirely from I used to be kind of a coffee person and I'm totally tea. And it's made a diff. And you feel like that's changed your whole personality. But definitely has changed my stomach's personality because I used to have to drink coffee like it was melted ice cream, like tons of cream and sugar. Yes. And now it's helped a lot to not have to get into that, like just to have that much shit. I moved back to New York and I was like, oh, it's really fun to like drink so much coffee and then like be trying to make it home to your house. Like I was nostalgic living in LA for that. Like, am I going to make it home? Yes. I mean, for people who you know, and this happens, this happens in a lot of cities, but like you get to know where you have to quickly go to the bathroom. You have to learn. And in Los Angeles, you're kind of in trouble. You spend a lot of time in your car. It's tough. A sweet green, they're pretty kind of a sweet green. I do have to say. They're sweet. Yeah, they're sweet. So when was the first time you met? Tell us about your meet queue of when you met your wife. So I met my wife, MXL in the director of Shiba Baby had a set of breakfast for me and Rachel. And we all ate and Rachel thought I was like a real actress because Rachel had just like been a stand-up and and she was asking me a lot like what it's like to be a real actress and lots of questions. And I was kind of like, I'm just I don't really get work and like we're just like been in like one movie. But she yeah, and then we like we read the script together and she was so funny and I had just never met like women my age that were that unapologetically ambitious. She is so honest about what she wants in her life and like what she does, what she's trying to achieve, like her what she does every day. And I would always hide that I wanted those things. And I feel like it was just so inspiring. But yeah, I think she kind of showed me with like with that film she was trying out so many different things. And you know, it's that movie's a lot about sexuality and all these things. But she just showed me you don't have to fit in like some box. She was like sometimes I want to do this. Sometimes I want to do this. And like I don't know I when I was thinking about what I wanted to ask her, I was like, how did you have that confidence? Like exactly what I wanted to start with because but it's a funny question, right? I've been doing this podcast for a while and there's people that come in and I want to say, how did you know what you knew? Like like how did how did you get this sense of yourself? And it's a hard one to answer because it's sometimes it's just kind of the way that they came out into the world. Totally. And she's still speaking of what we're saying about containing multitudes. Like she's still really vulnerable. But she's just but I don't the first time I met her Amy, she was like, I wrote four scripts. I'm doing this. I want to do this. And like I have just never seen anyone act that way because you think, oh, that's like going to show that you have a big hat or something. But it's like, no, she wants to create things. Yeah. But I don't know it's it's you can get into it with her. But it's like, yeah, she wants to create things and she wants to have great sex and she wants to have a great meal and she wants to cuddle with her friends. Like she wants all of those things and there's nothing wrong with that. And you don't need to choose one lane to be in or something. Shive a baby was made for $200,000. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, how much did it end up making? And that all went to me. Yeah, you have a your quote was $199,000. Yeah, I had only worked a little bit of my quote was, I don't know how much it made, but it definitely not that much because it came out in COVID. We do have to say Emma and Rachel always laughed that the movie is huge in London. We don't think not a people don't know it in the States, but in London, we're huge. You walk around and it's like the Beatles. In London, I'm like having to go like this, but everywhere else is pretty. There must be a lot of like Jewish women who have sex at Chivas. I don't know. Yeah, and they all live in London. Yeah. Okay, so just to be clear, your question for Rachel is what? My question for Rachel is people have said that you from a young age were very unapologetically ambitious. Where did that come from or how did you learn to be that way? Where did that instinct? Where was it through line? Great question. Okay, and then the last single thing is there anything you want me to any story you want me to prompt Rachel to tell? Because she's a very good storyteller. I've noticed on these kind of things. I'd love for you to ask her about the first time that she was fingered. I'm sorry. It's an incredible story and she used to do it and oh, and I'd also love you to ask her if she'll come back to stand up. Great. So did she tell her fingering story on stage? Okay. Great. It's not like a violation. Yeah. Yeah. You can say the Molly or like someone was bringing up, you know, some of your first pleasuring experience for Rachel but I think her and I don't need to get back to stand up. I know they're famous actors now, but it's like, come on. We got to see you on stage. I know. They're so funny and stand up is like I want to talk to her about because as you know, and you know from being on stage, like if you can be on stage and hang in there, you build a muscle where you can kind of almost, you can handle almost anything, almost anything. Yeah. It's so good talking to you. You in the course of us talking, your hair has looked incredible down and also looks incredible. I have to be honest. It's a gorgeous up to. It's so dirty, but it's exciting. It is stunning. Oh, and like, and then you got like, perfect. It looks like you're just ready to walk out into the streets of London and just be mobbed. I got to get to London. I just got to get to London. All right. Have a blast. Okay. Thank you so much. It was so fun talking to you. Bye. Bye. This episode was brought to you by Visible. When your phone's plans as good as Visible, you've got to tell your people. It's the ultimate wireless hack to save money and still get great coverage and a reliable connection. Get one line wireless with unlimited data and hotspot. For $25 a month, taxes and fees included all unverisons 5G network. Plus now for a limited time, new members can get the Visible plan for just $19 a month for the first 26 months. Use promo code switch26 and save beyond the season. It's a deal so good you're going to want to tell your people. Switch now at Visible.com. Terms apply limited time offer subject to change. See Visible.com for plan features and network management details. How do you like the the height of this chair as a fellow shortie? I love it. I love it. And I love I love that we're both short. I always talk about like is it a short set or a toll set? It's very true because we can't reach things. Things are too high for us. And also I like I don't like feeling I don't like feeling short. No. That makes sense. Right now I'm feeling very tall. Okay good. I'm feeling 5.6. We're both we're both giving 5.6. We are? Yes. That's my dream. 5.6 is my dream actually. Me too. I'm with Rachel Senate. She is here. Rachel I'm so happy that you're here. I am so happy that you're here and so is my entire family. My dad was freaking out and he was like tell me about your dad. He I'm addicted to him. I all my love my dad. Okay. This is what is so incredible about people in their 30s. They love their parents. You take you take a journey. And I literally just turned 30 like a couple weeks ago. And I locked it's almost like you have to like go away and be like yes. I'm an adult. You don't even fucking know me like and then I like something shifted and you're like you're my friends. You know what it's actually I do want to talk about that. That's actually really deep. It does happen in your 20s. You have to kind of separate. Yes. And it's painful. It's painful. Was it painful for you? Yes. And I'm like scared because I know of everything I've done. I'm like both of my parents are absolutely listening to every second of this. Okay. Other things they're like we'll skip that one. So I'm like let me try to let me try to tell me about your parents. They are what are they what were they what are they like? What did they do? What was their job? Because here's one of my highest compliments. Yes. You seem like a Manhattan nepot baby and you're not. Girl don't worry me. Thank you. Thank you. Congrats. Thank you. I am maybe an insurance nepot baby basically in that my dad works in insurance and he did hook me up with car insurance multiple times because I was driving around with a car with no insurance getting in car accidents and he was like let me help you. Oh, he was like this is what I do. This is what I do. So my parents both were accountants and they met when they were both accountants at the same firm. And then fell in love. David secretly. Fun. Because they were sort of like we got to keep it low key. Which like you they're like we don't want it to mess with the numbers. We don't want our romance to get like to screw up the numbers. Literally. By the way they when they got married they got a mug that said which doesn't make sense. A mug that said beware of accountants they multiply. Which I'm like they don't you two were already accountants and then you got together and none of your five children are accountants. Well excuse me five children and nine still on a children. Where are you in the birth order of that? I'm second oldest. So they fell in love and they just started they multiplied. They I mean multiply they started popping up out. And I will say I feel like they they having five or four siblings but being in a big family is a huge part of who I am because I think it's like automatically you have so many different personalities. It's like if you put us all together there's like you could kind of make connections between like pairs but some of it is really random like where you're like all of you guys. And I think like my parents did a really good job raising us and and sort of like taking everyone basically like not putting anyone's needs above another like everyone's career and what everyone does is equally important. And like you sort of had to like you know shout at the dinner table to be heard. And like you you automatically have to compromise because it's like there's no way everyone's going to be happy all the time. Well and you have two very right brain parents it sounds like too like so are you looking like and you have pursued a very artistic path in your family with the siblings does it go either way. There's some people that are like strong and stem and numbers people and other people that are artists. We I would say we've got I'm going to say three artists. But but because I'm going to say my mom secret artist secret artist like she she did like my first play ever with me. I was like I really want to audition for a play and she was like all audition with you. This is so different so different. And she and she like sings and like plays piano. So it's like I feel like the art was there. My dad not an artist but like trying to make everyone else do art. So he like forced me to my siblings like play in a quartet for family. That's very Matthew. That's very number. Yes like you will play. Like yes music and instruments is still like still kind of mouth in a counten stream. That's totally yeah yeah yeah versus right whatever the hell I'm doing. It's a little it's a little more lefty Lucy. Well what I love about what you just said because it does feel like you're in a you grew up in a family where you had to kind of you know you just have to make space for yourself. Yeah you have to figure it out like you said you have kind of compete in a healthy way. Yes. One of the things I love about you. Not knowing you we're meeting for the first time is that there's something about the way that you are in your own experience like your own body that's very grounded and very self assured and it's kind of like you have it or you don't it's like this an effort an effortful thing where you just you you make us lean into you Rachel like you you're kind of yourself in real time and we're and we all become very interested and curious about it. Like there's not a grasping energy from you you're kind of doing your thing and people are like invited to come along and that's really nice of you to say and that means a lot coming from you because you have I feel like it's like in comedy and like I read your book I read Tina's book when I was like in college and starting stand up and like I feel like especially when I think to like the beginning when when you're like the first not the first women in comedy but like you're forming a group like I feel like my friend group took so much inspiration from you guys of being like I've got my girls you know what I mean and being like I'll go to the weird up and mic with you and the whatever but like carving out that space for yourself and being like you come to us as opposed to like trying to be a part of the other thing yes like you're not necessarily invited to so let's get into okay we talked about your parents you're in Connecticut you grow up in Connecticut and again you seem like a man hat and kid congrats thank you Connecticut is a strange state because it's like what is it what is it what is it happening right like yeah red socks Yankees like what do you want okay and thank you for asking that red socks red socks I got actually like absolutely or my dad reams in my ass because I put on my boyfriend Yankees cab I just thought I would be a little flirty and I picked up a face number my dad and he was like take that off yeah take that off that's not okay you can't do it no you can't do it okay so you're more in the Boston side yes yes you grow up there and you get to NYU yes where is that jump from you like at the dinner table being funny with your family and deciding I want to get to NYU and like be a performer how does that happen it so I always wanted to like perform I feel like I did the classic thing well you were in place I was forced I was doing plays you were in lay miss I was in lay miss wow yes it was part I was Minam Tadarriye of course we who she you just set it in a French way with Antonarriye I was I was she was sort of do you know the master of the master of the the his wife oh the master of the house lady yes okay sorry I should know no she has master of the house lady you had the comedic part yes I had the comedic part and you know at any time I was in a plane high school there were like that's a witch or the head of the like the prostitute house like it was really it was like that was the only parts I was getting cast in why do you think that was why as a little kid did it because yeah I know but I kind of know what you mean because it's usually the comedic part yes yes why were they like seeing something like where you did you have a maturity in that age or you just like self assured on stage you know what I mean like not nervous I think it was like I was not vocally talented and loud and I think loud and I think like I don't know I look I'm like it was always like and you heard the little the ratty little whatever and I'm like okay I really I because at that time I want I was like obviously I want to be because I want to be up to me and I want to be like singing the pretty little voice they heard me saying three bars they said but you're but you're gonna speak the whole song and they're they're usually the most boring of the song they are and even though the epineen has some great yeah because it has some great songs yes ladies are incredible yeah they're bangers and and by the way the girl who played epineen in my high school like went on to play epineen on Broadway and I was like wow you know Emily Batista I got a hand at you you were meant for the part voice voice of an angel incredible incredible yeah so I was like I'm not taking it personally but can we talk for a second about loud loud because I'm I'm relating like I was a loud kid yeah and there's something like underneath being like a loud young kid yeah that's kind of can be very exciting especially if you're like a young woman not always sometimes people don't like it so I think you feel better yeah but it is like it's like carving out space like taking up space yeah somehow and people saw that in you yeah and they were like she's not afraid to I guess that or they were just literally like we can't get her to shut up like just give her this part and maybe she'll lose her voice yeah laying on stage and then she won't be like annoying at home but I do think you're right it's like you have to sort of like be loud first and then figure out how to make it like entertaining as you go but I think once you like break that I also like I feel like I've always have like a loud laugh which like I've read about like tear laugh at the table read that SNL and whatever and it's like I think like not being afraid to like bring joy into the space or be like I don't know once once you start shouting you're like I'm not gonna talk like it's just you break into that space and then you can refine what what you're saying or how funny it is or whatever but I think like that instinct was always there yeah and that brings you to NYU yes where you kind of join this class of people who are now your friends and successful actors and actresses in their own right who you mean like tell us about coming to NYU like those early days there I so I think I at first felt like I didn't fit in at all and I have like a really hard time because the acting program was very like serious and it was very like Shakespeare and like we're doing we're like walking around the room in your cat and then you're like a chicken and I was like but everyone's like crying while they do it and I'm like what you're like what am I missing what am I missing yeah the money is gone we paid so I got to do something with this but wow this is crazy like it was that I was scared and I just felt and do you know what I mean like yes like yes and you're looking around and everyone's like so locked into it so you're like there's something wrong with me do you think they were locked into it or was it like peer pressure to feel locked into it now it feels like a cult a little wherever one was like I'm crying as the chicken I'm feeling they like you're you know yeah but I I felt like oh there were a lot of opportunities that the school had which was like the plays the the school did shows that you could audition for didn't get into any of those the school had like improv and sketch groups I didn't get into any of those really really dang I bet they're regretting that probably not they're probably like well another year doing our sketch really I'm really surprised I didn't and I would debris who I met didn't either and that's when we first met was like at the auditions for those groups sometimes that's just the best motivator literally by the way I'm like I always need whenever like something doesn't work out for me I'm like thank god yeah whenever I'm like rejection is God's protection period and also it's like whenever I'm flopping I'm not scared it's what I'm doing well or then I'm happy when I'm terrified okay that is the best way to say it Rachel is that to flop and not be scared to flop and not be scared that's a very powerful thing it's a super it's a superpower if you can do it because I the best things happened to me right after I met rock bottom like whenever I'm like rejected hard whenever like I'm like like in love with someone who like is treating me like garbage that's when I fly that's one because you sort of like let's go everything and you're like fuck it I'm at rock bottom I don't care let's go that's beautiful that's a beautiful time is when I'm soaring that I start I'm like I'm soaring the ground is really fire away I'm gonna fall like and then I get in my head and that's when yeah so you are auditioning you and I owe both not making what you want to make what happens then then I think that's when I started being like okay I have to find my own opportunities and I think that's sort of when I like started to find my friends and my community and doing stuff on our own so I started like I started doing stand up um so tell us about your first like yeah because you were on a date I was sure yeah so basically this poor guy is like he's also in Les Mis he's always in Les Mis no I feel bad because I'm like every it's like I still know him he like is um he is like a comedy producer whatever great guy but he basically we went on like what I want to call it a day but it was like really like we went to the dining hall and then he like fingered me but it was it was I'm like that that was hard ain't but he's a lovely person I use a lovely person I just call it you know but you know what I mean yeah yeah sometimes I just happens but so he was like you should do stand up I've been going to open mics do you want to come with me to one and so wait and he was gonna perform and he performed he did perform okay so he was like do you want to come watch me perform he was like do you want to come watch me perform but do you want to go to yeah and try it he encouraged got it got it got it shout out he encouraged so we go to an open mic and I think I did stand up about like him fingering me like two days before so I was just like I have no experiences other than this it's like pretty like I'm still like a freshman like I'm like can you tell us a little bit more about what you talked about would you be okay to tell us that okay I will I this part this is where I got into something that I think I've I've hopefully grown out of but I the fingering was weird and then my first joke which I think he helped me write was that it was like or maybe I think maybe my friend my friend Moss helped me write this part Moss Perkony very funny stand up and write on snl who I just got to work with recently oh my god and it was really funny he's lovely yes so funny yeah so Moss and I would do open mics together too so I think Moss actually helped me write this part of the joke which was that like he was fingering me and it was like trying to trick a vending machine Rachel great Joe great show that I I think all I brought to the story was like it kind of hurt and then he like wrote helped me write that part yeah but I did that and I got like I also it's like you your first open mic you go on stage and you're like also I'm like 18 years old at like a random open mic with like guys from New Jersey and I'm like hi it's my first open mic so obviously like everyone the room was warm warm the room was warm it was toasty yeah so I go fill with perverts yeah totally absolutely so and at the time I'm like I'm a genius saying a joke I didn't write in a room full of six perverts who are all just like maybe she'll only be here for one week and you shall kiss one of us totally so at this time I'm thinking like I'm crushing I am crushing so I do that joke whatever and I get that like high of yeah totally and then like for the next like two years of open mics I'm really bad but I am like chasing that initial that initial high of performance yes and when you were when you were doing stand up like were you feeling like there was a party that was like I'm gonna be a stand up like I'm gonna be a stand up or did you feel like stand up was a tool or like a stepping stone to what you wanted to do which was right act direct all the stuff you're doing now I think like a little bit of both I think in the beginning I was like I just want to do whatever I can get my hands on yeah and like you can do an open mic for like five dollars you buy like a beer or something and you can do is an open mic so I was like okay I can do this and I did that I did like every student film exercise that I could do there is like I have like a whole reel of like some of the worst dialogue in history I know no hate but it was really like I'm doing any I would do them like back to back to back and I was like skip class to all these films but then also I met talented filmmakers that way I met my friend Emma Salogman and who directed Shiva baby and bottoms yes and so I was doing that and then like I started writing sketches I when I did a sketch together that that's sort of like one of my early memories of us like forming a bond because she was so funny and I was like I was laughing the entire sketch completely unusable takes for me but I was like cracking up at her and then like I wrote a sketch that the the sketch is about the babysitters club that she was in and then we performed on each other shows so it was like I was slowly like building out the community of like friends so it was like I met I.O. Moss my friend Katerina who's a writer director Emma so it was like I felt like I got to like build out my community I mean that's what it kind of feels like the 20s are about yeah is like figuring out who is like me yes how can we help each other out like how can I form some kind of community to get me through the next X amount of years like of trying to do the thing that I want to do yeah yeah yeah and and when you were in that period in your 20s like well I mean you just said that you turned 30 I just did what did you do for your 30th birthday what did how did you celebrate it because I got to tell you yeah my vision of you is that you're partying every night I am I wrong some times but okay okay let me I so many things to say okay first I just have to say I just do you know about your Southern return not only that but I believe that I'm going to in just a year or two be entering my second oh my god because I've been doing research for this because of your show yeah because I love LA which we're going to talk about and it's all about Saturn's return which you just went through I did and I believe you go through a second one in I'm 54 but I think you start going through a second one like 56 57 and I have to I could look it up but are you are you scared or excited I'm excited you're excited very excited because it does I will say it's nice back to the rock bottom thing yeah when life sort of like yeah shakes you up and you're like whatever let's rock how did it shake you up okay I I feel like it was like if the whole thing is like three years long but there's really like one month that's like super chaotic or for me there was like a month when that was like really bad and I felt like everything all happened in one month but basically like I feel like in my early 20s I was parting every night I was like very messy chaotic I was like crying at the bar on the table like it was really crazy yep then I feel like I moved to LA and I like I got really like a little weird and like hermity and like kind of I don't know I went through this thing where I was just not feeling good in myself like the strike was happening I was really depressed and I think I also like had a lot of insecurities about like myself as a writer or creator like I didn't think I could like make something on my own and I was really scared too and then I think like basically the the big part of this out of return was like I went through breakup and I didn't know about if my show was gonna get picked up yet but in the meantime I had to sort of say no to other opportunities which was really hard for me especially because I I think I defined myself off of my work and my value off of my work and so I was like I have to say no to stuff and like trust my gut that this is gonna happen and that I can make something on my own and when I say on my own literally I made it with amazing room of writers amazing coach or runner directors of course but you know women always feel obliged to say that and they don't have to but it just it was but it's but you know I take it back I can take it back because no you're absolutely right nobody does anything alone yeah nobody is anything alone but you're you're making a really interesting point which is like which I see see this in you and women that you're coming up with which is this you know this moment where you have to kind of decide to take ownership of the stuff that you want to make yeah and decide that you're ready to do it yes because no one's I think like it's also like you can't do anything until you do it like it's like I directed an episode you just have to direct one day and be like okay like you obviously you prepared you right you dropped the little pictures so you make the pictures and you go I think the shirt should be blue well that's the thing about directing and I want to talk to you about this because you've been really I love how you talk about directing and producing and writing and show running which is you know people act like everything is like a secret room like we learn this from Hamilton yeah like that like there's a room where it happens and only certain people are allowed in it and there's a language and a vocabulary and only one way to do something and it keeps people out of the room yes totally and then you get in the room and it's like three guys being like I think we should shoot it really slow I think we should do it really fast and you're like this is all that this is what they're saying this is what they're saying here totally you're kidding and they have snacks they're ordering like three rounds of coffees it's just say I think we should shoot it slower if I got pissed yeah it's it's incredible once you get inside the room and then you get a high and then you're like I'm staying in here and I'm ordering ten coffees and I want to shoot it fast and then slow it's so you're going through your Saturn's return you come out the other side and you greet 30 yes do you party on your 30th birthday I do party on my 30 I do sorry that's what that's okay I do party what what does that look like I went to Sicily amazing for my friends wedding okay great and I really party there and then I stayed there for the week perfect and this is what I expected yes I'm happy to hear and I really I really went off it was great it was fabulous and it was good it was good because I feel like I've been working for so long yeah like I went into the whole of making the show yeah and now I'm out every night I'll tell you that I am I'm going to a concert tonight if you are you going I'm going okay I'm going to see Gina Carole Della no she wish I did she you're gonna I'm like that song sex on the beat you gotta get under that um Della we you're you're a concert it's her concert and I'm going and I'm I can't wait and then I'm going to do I just basically I this is the other thing tell me if you do this when she's a Slovakian singer songwriter yes very cool she's very cool um but she so I'm going to that tonight but I I do this thing when I'm like shooting something where it's like you put off every single person in your life yeah yeah you you make promises you can't keep which is like you're like yeah I when this is over I am gonna be I am gonna be out I am gonna be yeah just going to the club and then dinner and then we should go on a hike the next morning really early like I make so many promises and then it's like you you you get into a debt a social debt but it's actually kind of fabulous because then you just commit to a period where you're like so you're you're in that period right now so tonight is is it dinner first I love talking to people about plans because I love I don't want to do them but I want to hear your I want to know yeah I want to know what you're doing tonight okay so the plan is we're doing a group dinner amazing where at my boyfriend's house we're ordering food fun so we have a small group going yep we're pre gaming what time is this this is probably eight o'clock fuck that's okay dinner I know I like an early dinner too okay but it's more it's sort of like you know if we do dinner too early then we're gonna get sleepy before the show right so I we got a sort of what I'm thinking instead is like when when it should be dinner that's when I'll be taking it now yeah and then but of course I'll be sleeping with my glam on because I want to keep it for the show so obviously being like this like a soap opera so star glam on like this getting lipstick on the pillow and then I'll jerk awake seven forty five um-hmm list read you know swishing around yes bam dinner people start arriving dinner order in order in no cooking that no cooking we're no cooking for that many people six that's crazy cooking for six people outrageous what are you some kind of machine no six people the way I only know how to make sweet potatoes and ground turkey and then we're gonna be burping garlic all over the aros at the concert we can't I can't do that no so then you eat then we eat and it's like you know drinking a little maybe I'm trying on outfits maybe I'm leaving dinner coming back presenting an outfit oh that's fun yeah okay do you do that no I don't but I I in general have a weird relationship to outfits really I like I and I love and I'm very very intrigued by your relationship to outfits because for me outfits like I don't have the feeling like I'll use my front my good friend Maya Rudolph as an example when Maya Rudolph gets dressed and she gets to change she would love to do that what you're doing like come in and out of the room with different outfits yeah look at my outfit what do we think my outfit that to me feels so stressful do you know what you should do it do you like to smoke weed I don't really smoke it anymore but I will okay for this or it could be glass of wine or complete little CBD join over whatever I'd rather weed over wine okay yeah let's do a let's do a let's do a gummy let's do a gummy okay all right you not fuck a gummy okay now you can I kind of think it's good to do this like on your own okay because then you and like maybe myself yes okay start by yourself because then you're not you know you're not doing it for anyone or you better believe all come on I'm in my social chapter I'm free so I'm already worried that you're overbooking yourself don't promise okay okay but I'm just saying okay it I would say do it in like the daytime gummy ice coffee so that your body is funny itself okay I mean my part is blazing sun gummy and ice coffee two o'clock in the afternoon call I just cancel all my plans and what do I do next I go to my class plan elevator getting really high from the coffee and then getting really down from the gummies what do I do what do I do okay music what do I play what do I play I think is like something really like your theory oh fun okay like like you know you make me feel like dance and okay I'm just kind of good telling you about a Saturday that I had okay perfect and then you just start trying shit on okay grossed up on the floor and you take pictures with stuff and it's like and maybe like halfway through you stop you order some food and it's like and by the way you're not picking up any of the clothes till the next day when you're not high in the gummy anymore that's gonna be really hard for me okay but that's okay but it's part of it yeah is it's just like there's no like there's no I'm cleaning there's no I'm organizing you're playing you're trying stuff on you're and you and you should also have a mirror with really good light this is why I'm saying the daytime because in my house I have a mirror that only looks good at a certain time so you can take this and you know judge it for like your your vibe okay you know like but this is this is just from this is actually really helpful because it is about like what you're talking about is about play yes like not just not making everything so serious not making everything so serious and it's like you can you can take pictures of stuff or lots of times I'll do videos of me like walking and then walk into the camera and back and then I text them all to my sisters and I go like heart which ones you like okay this feels like a very sister thing yeah yeah yeah like what sisters do for each other yes and then you can get feedback and then they can be like drop the vest keep the scarf right you know and do you take that feedback do you go depends depends depends because it's like sometimes I'm like you don't know this is a really good outfit and then so and sometimes you by the way sometimes you'll try on an outfit that you created that day that this is that's inventing outfits this feels like level two I feel like I'm at level two right now I just need to start I just start by taking the gummy during the day just start by taking the go just start by getting high in the morning and then work your way up work your way up to all of this okay you and your sisters yes make me think about the women that you have like kind of like your chosen sisters like you said I owe yeah another chosen sister is Molly yes love Molly Molly Gordon who we spoke to yeah for this interview love I love her I just talked to her last night you she said you guys talk every day yeah she called you her wife what wife sister we're like we're it's which is weird but we like five different things so for people who like are getting because I think like there's a lot of people who are getting to know your work Molly's work Ios work like you are this rising class I think of really really talented artists and filmmakers and showrunners and writers and and actors but Shiva baby was a film that you and Molly did together that was this teeny tiny film that really like exploded and took off can you talk a little bit about the path yes so that was a crazy experience and it's crazier now looking back at it because so it was first a short film that Emma Seligman wrote and directed that I was in and it got into South by and after it got into South by Emma was like I still remember it was like Emma and I like met up at a dig in and a dig in what's a dig in oh my god and a dig in a dig in it's a fast casual lunch place it's like a a dig in is a restaurant it's sort it's like a sweet green it's like a sister of a sweet green sweet cream was brought up earlier because Molly was like that's a nice place to go the bathroom they're usually nice they're sweet green they they'll let you so dig in is that an LA thing no it's a New York thing we got I don't know it okay good to know I think they have them here too but there was really a chapter where it was big okay in New York when we were in college so we needed a dig in we're catching up and Emma is like I'm gonna make Shiva baby into a feature and we were also that's also the same day that we came up with the loose idea for bottoms and we started writing it wow so we're writing bottoms well Emma's also writing Shiva baby and like basically it was like this like slow process of building the movie out and it's like no one wants to make a first-time filmmaker's movie it's like so impossible to get people behind you and it was sort of like this this game of like we're trying to cast the movie we don't have the money for the movie I want to shout out Rianne Jones who was one of the producers who was like the first person to be like I'm giving you guys money to make this movie and gave like a big chunk of money it was like a super indie movie I think the budget was around like 200k but it's like that's really hard to raise that money when you are college students yeah all you have is a short film of course so it's like I remember like talking with Emma and we're like trying to cast the movie without the money get the locations but get the funding at the same time so it was all of that and when Molly signed on to do it it felt like oh my god like she's legit because we had seen both seen her in booksmart and been like she is so funny right so funny and like she's a real actress I mean I was that's exactly what she was talking about like she said when you guys met you were like your real actress and she was yeah but but I relay because when you come through the door yeah like comedy yeah you often feel like that's that's just kind of like you just you've always that's the door you've always come through yeah and it takes a minute to figure out that you know everyone is talented at a lot of things yeah um so were you feeling then insecure about your acting or anything or you were okay because I had never been I was all of a sudden the lead of a film that wasn't fully funded yet and didn't have a location like it was so like it was like I think we got the rest of our funding like a day before we shot the movie and basically we go to film the first scene and it's me and Molly and I clam up and I just oh yeah I was right because you know sometimes when we're really nervous we get like very sleepy and tired really really and I'm like no one can tell if I'm doing a bad job if they can't hear me or see me so it's like the first thing we film is that scene where we like run into each other we talk for the first time at the shiba and I'm like this guy says yeah and it's like Emma's like cut and so then Emma like pulls me aside because they're an amazing friend and director and they're like so we can't hear anything we can't hear a word that you're saying and I'm like totally did this in private thank god and was and didn't really nicely but was like I think just like maybe have a little more voice and I was like totally we go again and I'm like so yeah and I was I was like sweating this is so interesting because we started talking about like how little Rachel on stage being loud and then you have this moment you're like okay now I'm a real actor and now it's going to get very quiet so cool I'm gonna do I'm actually gonna do the it's like I'm not gonna pitch my fastball I'm gonna do the opposite of what I do well I'm gonna drop it I'm gonna drop the ball on the floor yeah well I'm gonna roll in the mound let's look at the baseball the dad and the red socks would want to know that you can extend that baseball metaphor so it would be on the mound on the mound on the mound were sports yeah so um so you're but that's so interesting so that and then what happens and then I think Molly basically was like Molly can do she like charmed the pants off of me basically and was like she just started improving and talking to me and talking before we were rolling and I didn't feel like I was in a scene anymore I felt like I was like talking to her and flirting with her but feeling like and it just as I clicked for me and like between Molly and Emma Emma coming and then it was like we got into groove and then Emma came over and was like whispering seven my year of like really like make her work for it on this one or like like give it on this one giggle on this one and let's move the camera slower on this one camera slower on this one faster fast really fast and then Molly was like improving and like I just felt like basically they just but I just felt like so like brought into the space and then I felt like I know how to do this but it was like I think I just I just watched both of them like shine and like bring me into their like like artistry is like a big word but I kind of felt like they both were like come here you you can do this and like I just it just anyways it really like opened everything up for me and it was really special very cool yes now Molly had a question for you okay and the first one was please have Rachel tell the fingering story which you already told naturally I did it on my own wow huge incredible so thank you for that and then and and she said basically said you know when she met you that what she was so drawn to and what I feel drawn to you right now I'm feeling the same thing which is you're like the great audacity of here's what I want to do I want to do this I want to do this like like ambition not being afraid of it like feeling like you want to take up a lot of space and she said that confidence like has that all as have you always had that the question is like where did you where do you think that came from it's interesting because I I look back at myself at that time and I think I was like I was very insecure and anxious but at the same time I did always have this feeling of like I have to do this and I think I think that's for my family for sure like I think it's like I there was like this thing of like okay if you're gonna do it then do it and I think like in my mind I was like I can't even entertain the possibility of not doing this because I don't have any other plan I don't there's never a job you would want to do instead of this do you ever think about like another major or another job other than insurance salesman or yeah I think now that I'm here I'm like I would love to do marketing I love marketing what do you mean I just love marketing I just started getting on marketing calls and I'm like these girls are fabulous they're just so I'm just like I love I love marketing you like you like figuring out how to get the message out yes you're very good at marketing you're very good at TikTok very good at Twitter and you better believe I have I have sounds saved for us for our TikTok yeah if you're down I have a question for a TikTok question for you how do you get your TikToks to move so fast you make it slow I'll show you wait do you do you have your reduce slow mo so then it speeds it up no we'll do that today you shoot it in slow you shoot it yes so it shoots it shoots in so the sound are we talking about a cap cut situation no I won't do that to you I will not do that to you someone's laughing I Claire Claire is laughing because I had her help me with doing a what I've always wanted to do which is green screen basically I'm talking in front of a picture that's what I want to do and I don't I can show you I can show you today I can show you I just found out how Claire taught me and now I can teach you okay we might we might have to do that we have to talk is talk about ourselves in front of a picture we can even take a photo of us pose and then we can analyze like our outfits we could do anything we can do whatever we want it's so fun it's open why is it fun because I think it's fun too why do you think it's fun I feel like I'm playing with clay and no like I feel like I'm like Play-Doh I feel like I'm doing crafts and then afterwards you get to watch it over and over and go I made that I did that just now yes it is so fun and it always is in the colors it's just the best but it makes sense to me because you definitely have this sense of knowing how to exist in that space and it kind of comes back to you just like being authentically yourself which is just hard to teach you know it's got a rocket I guess you do but sometimes things happen I don't know if you've had this where it's like you you're like okay I'm being authentically myself I'm being authentically myself and then you either these are two things that have happened to me you're either being authentically yourself and everyone's like we hate it yeah and you're like I should do be someone else I should be someone else or yeah you're kind of being a version of yourself and everyone's like we love it so that and then you change a little I'm never gonna stop being a slut but sorry something else sure you know you're like I'm messy I'm this whatever and then you go into a different zone and then you're like but they still like that I should keep doing that but in reality you're changing you are the generation that has grown up like when did you get your first phone when I was in middle school yeah and you've had a lifetime of being online we talked about this a lot when we were creating the show I think there's like a lot of times people like look at like I'm gonna say that my generation I'm I'm like zillennial cusp so I'm not claiming I'm not claiming what do you claim I claim zillennial I claim zillennial because I feel real like I feel a bit of both you know what I mean when we start getting into skippity toilet I get lost sure you know what I mean I'm like what's going on I didn't do kindergarten on zoom so I you know what I mean like I I didn't have what is this called when your brain fully develops oh um your frontal lobe my frontal lobe I think my frontal lobe developed like what time does that happen I have way through covid take over weird time to have your frontal lobe closed during covid during covid but I felt it snatch she really snatch snatch uh yes yeah and and so I I didn't have to go through like formative development developmental years during covid or whenever like yeah I think there's something to do with that that I don't have right um but the the we were just talking about six seven I found out I've been group seven from tick tock I found out I was in group seven group seven what does that mean I don't know okay and so if I was fully junky I would Claire explain it to me because she is because she's 25 okay Claire will explain and she'll show us how to do the green you know how to do the green screen okay let's talk about I love I'm talking so much I could just so be the same I and and and you have a great cast and you shoot it in LA and do you love LA I do love LA okay what can you help me because I'm actually genuinely it's I'm coming up on like year 15 or 16 of being here and I go back and forth between LA and New York and I'm not loving LA right now LA is crushing me a little bit okay I think I want to go back to the East Coast like I really you know my kids are almost out of school I'm like feeling this giant pole and I'm trying to stay with LA because LA has been very good to me yeah and it's there's a lot about I love California there's a lot about Los Angeles a lot of friends here had great memories here I made a lot of stuff I'm really proud of here but I'm just like what do you love about LA and can you help me love it too yes I like LA most in the winter I do too it's my favorite January to April is having because everywhere else is freezing everyone else is freezing meanwhile we're going to the beach in an hug and a hoodie beach in an hug and a hoodie yeah and you're getting yeah get this you maybe okay morning um Saturday okay again we'd got me coffee sorry you don't have to we could do something driving somebody's boyfriend somebody's boyfriend is driving okay like not us we're getting in a new birth okay but ideally it's like someone's boyfriend is driving like the boyfriend of the friend group he's he's driving everyone like this yeah and you've got a playlist you guys stop you got bagels okay not good bagels so an hour yes yeah okay great you go to courage or there's place in Burbank called hangs underrated I'm actually giving away my spot but okay I know you bitches aren't going to Burbank so it's fine it's okay I work there so I'm going but you work in hangs I work no I work at the law oh you work at the law okay so I'm right in your body I was like oh my god you also working and I work I work two jobs okay I've three so you get your bagels so you get your bagel and now you're eating your bagels in the car or you save them you get to the beach you run on the sand you're just sitting on the sand in like jeans and an augin a sweater yeah I love I love the beach in a sweater beach in a sweater it's completely empty yeah because no one else is this good of an idea except for us and and you're just like vibe you're having a beach day but you're having a winter beach day and you can make it into a thing like you could then then you could go like up to to pengu canyon and you could buy a set of tarot cards for your friend and go on a hike over there there's like some really nice hikes in Malibu there's like you could go to the pier you could get like seafood at broad street oyster company but like you make a day in the winter that you couldn't do somewhere else I completely you know what I mean I think Los Angeles California and the winter is where it really shines it's really where it shines the rest of the year okay for me so what if what if you stuck around would you like beach day in the day we got me cause it yeah and it's like by the way we're in bed at seven o'clock I don't believe you we will be if we're starting to do either we go already about your plan tonight I know but that's still I'm in a social chapter but in January and February okay January and a social chapter we're hibernating but we're hibernating with our friends okay okay in our community we're hibernating with like six people I I or three of that feels bad that actually really did make me like Los Angeles more what you just said this is the thing New York BAM you're confronted with a new chapter or an event or whatever and it's it's thrown in your face and it's fabulous and it's going like wake up you just met this person on the street LA you have to do it a little for yourself but you get to sit down in your room one day delusional me this alone hi in my in my closet new era let's go okay um lightning round lightning round I'm walking in have you done ayahuasca no should I no okay um okay our cigarettes making a comeback they are they are but we have to stop but they are they are and they're good but also who can blame us look at what is happening I know I know and they were they were feeding they were feeding people the vapes at 12 I know the vapes hopefully are taking a break but cigarettes are back well the the cigarettes are people trying to mean off the vape oh that's so brutal yes like heroin to not take your oxy heroin to kill to kill to own fills it's hard out there okay okay album you're listening to you right now I've been listening a lot to the out of some album it's an album that makes me feel very like free it makes me feel like my mom's friend to always wore yoga pants who was like really chic and sexy and I want a little sleepy and in a dream and so free I was like yeah yeah Addison feels very like free to me um is there a person's career path that you look at and admire definitely I'm not being a suck up you can't see I'm not allowed you're sitting right in front of me I what if I was like I need an idea but what if what if before this podcast someone pulled you aside and said like when Amy asked that you have you have to say her she gets really upset she gets really upset yeah that would be crazy if they said that no I I just what I do want to say like okay so I'm sorry I'll just say it and then we can cut it okay genuinely and then when I'll say someone else okay okay but I do really want to say like genuinely like you have made a difference in my life going to pursue comedy and going to to like be funny and be loud and be bold like and also be kind like I feel like when I read your book I was like there was the ability to be like both like bold and loud but also like vulnerable and sensitive I think is that like sometimes it feels like you're not allowed to have both and I I feel like you need both and you should be able to and that's something that I get from you or like I'm inspired by from you and like I think like the women you your community like my Rudolph Tina Fey all of them thank you Rachel that's really nice so that's true but now do you want me to say someone else okay um I Brittany Murphy is an actress that I really look up to I think she's an incredible actress um or was an incredible actress yeah she's just someone who like I saw her in like immediately like when I saw her in clueless I was like she just has something special and she's very she was very true to herself she was you know I she hosted S&L my first season there and she I remember her being like really kind really super hardworking very open new ideas and you're right she had like a sparkly interesting quality about her and she could do a lot of things really well yes like I feel like I had so much range yes and like I don't know I felt like there's certain people where it's like it's like the character wouldn't be the character if it wasn't you playing it and I feel like she has that which is really special when was the last time you cried um yesterday because I this is the other thing so I didn't cry for a speed round but I'll say really fast that's okay you I like speed rounds to go slow to go slow I didn't cry for like a long time because I was so like stress about the job and I was trying to take it seriously and be locked in and I was like there's no time to cry there's no time to cry and then I think now that I'm in my social era and I have like a little space to breathe like the litus coming off so I'm just crying more freely yesterday I sort of had a little bit of a manic episode this goes back to the closet thing where I remember the shirt from three years ago that I haven't I just was like wait a second where is it where is that and then I started like rummaging through my closet not in a fun way no we gummy just like panic yeah panic texting people pictures of the shirt being like happy to see some texting my mom being like is this at home she's like what like that what do you think the shirt meant what was it when you thought of the shirt where did you where had you worn it what did it mean to you what did it represent I think it was that I've been living in my place for too long and I used to live there with my ex-boyfriend and I lived moved around to Airbnb's before I lived in that place and all of a sudden I was just like where's all my stuff and who am I and then I start to cry yes I think that material I think that objects can do that yes and then the last question is what are you listening to watching what do you do when you want to laugh what do what kind of stuff do you do when you like need a break like when you want to get out of your head and just feel good and feel good I have a couple of friends and my sisters where it's like we send each other like take talks that are like really weird and then like I catch up on all the take talks that like my friends or my sisters that be and I like feel like I'm watching like their show kind of the fee that they've curated for me and then I reply to all of them like ha ha this is us when we're in the car with mom this was us when we would go on a walk during it whatever yeah and that feels that's fun and silly for me it's funny it's like we do this at our work at our office at paper kite we like show each other our feeds yeah to see what where everyone's heads are at yeah and you know sometimes my kids will be like mom your feed is really sad you know like you're like you're right it's too sad it's too sad but by the way sometimes that's good because then you can go I'm in a sad period right now totally I'm not in my social chapter I'm not in my social chapter so like what is it what is I'm just as we finish can you remember any TikTok that you enjoy it is funny yes oh my god amazing you want to show it to me I would love to let me go I don't even know how to get TikTok on my laptop I was gonna show you on my phone yeah yeah okay here we go what are we watching I'm just going through I mean let's look okay so how would you describe okay this is incredible yes yeah this is incredible this is a video of um it says congratulations it's a girl and then it says the girl and the girls walking around wearing a giant pig head holding a baseball bat and she's a creepy little song to a creepy song and she looks awesome she this diva is I'm like she knows who she is already yes yeah that's very good that's very very funny okay and then we've got priest DJ a priest DJ you just feel like he has a hobby and a passion like do you know what I mean like I'm like he's having fun he is having fun yeah all right rage I'm gonna have you sit back in your chair so we can I can properly say thank you are coming into me this thank you so much for having me this was a damn delight this thank you so much Rachel senate that was so fun you are at delight and so funny and charming and I could have talked to you all day and um you know for this polar plunge uh well today's polar plunge is presented by visible when your phone plans as good as visible you've got to tell your people unlimited data just 25 bucks a month join today at visible dot com so let's get into this plunge as we finish up this episode we talked a lot today about Saturn's return and if you don't know what that is it's basically this period in astrology that occurs um around the ages of like 20 late 20s late 50s and late 80s and it's when the planet Saturn returns returns to the same position that it was in when you were born so we all went through it or some of us went through it or going to go through it in our 20s I'm just here to say I'm looking forward to the next return for me the next change um I don't know what's around the corner uh life has taught me anything it's that I cannot predict what is going to happen but I look forward to the first human robot marriage on tv and um that we will be we will run out of water and we'll we'll be drinking other things during that return so um uh but if anyone's going through Saturn's return right now and their 50s right in and let me know how it's going for you babe can't wait okay um today's proler plunge was presented by visible it's one line wireless and Verizon's 5G network for $25 a month that's top tier network at a budget friendly cost tell your people and make the switch terms apply see visible dot com for planned features and network management details thank you so much for listening see you again soon bye you've been listening to good hang the executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons Jenna Weissberman and me Amy Poler the show is produced by the ringer and paperkite for the ringer production by Jack Wilson Katz Balaine, Kaya McMollan and Alia Zanaris for paperkite production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weissberman original music by Amy Miles