The Scientist That Scanned Beneath The Pyramids [Exclusive Interview]

I'm here with Filippo Biondi, who shocked the world. I think it's one of the most interesting findings in the last century. I am struggling to express in words just how significant of a discovery this is. Eight hollow cylindrical structures that are underneath the middle pyramid on the quiesa plateau. With coilums and coils around the columns I'm like what? We have measured approximately over one kilometer of depth. Over a kilometer depth. Do you think that the pyramid was a nuclear fusion machine? Please give me another question. Maybe the water goes through these spirals. And the spirals are made by piezoelectric material. Do you think we can turn the power grid back on? But we do like that. I'm here with Filippo Biondi, who shocked the world with the discovery earlier this year. You really did. I think it's one of the most interesting findings in the last century. And I don't know exactly what it points towards. I hope you can help elucidate make clear what it does today and what your methodology was. But you detected through this synthetic aperture radar, Doppler tomography, this really exciting new technique. What seems to be like it looks like an energy grid below the copper pyramid on the quiesa plateau. And there's a lot of controversy. You have Zahi Vowas who's this cultural, you know, minister of culture, they're former minister of culture. And he says, you know, it's fake news and there's nothing there. And then you have a lot of people supporting you saying that, you know, they're actually probably is something underground. Obviously that whole area is full of subterranean chambers. It's an honor to speak with you today. I'm very excited to get to the bottom of this here in beautiful Perugia, Italy. Thank you very much. Yes. Thank you for saying that we made a very great discovery in the quiesa. Just to begin the work was done together with Corrado Malanga, who is the head of the research group Armando Mai and me. I am the technician that developed this synthetic aperture radar technique and I shared to the group so to and to everyone, to everyone. And so to perform the scanning at the quiesa plateau. I want to start with the most like to the point question. And then we can back up and figure out how we got there. What in your opinion say say a gun was to your head you had to just guess what what do you think is underneath the cough repairman? Okay. Yes. Thank you for this question. The answer is very it's a bit difficult for me to give to give you an answer, a precise answer because the truth we know the truth only if we go inside the physical leader to check what that is exactly. Now what we can say that we have measurements, measurements, physical measurements, that are acoustic measurements. And we perform at these measurements as you announce before using a synthetic aperture radar. Then we will speak about this synthetic aperture radar and how we arrived to perform these measurements. We are considering tomographic analysis on first of all we began these analysis on the great pyramid of CAHOPs and then we moved on the calf repairman and then extending all the measurements on all the gisoplato. So what we are watching we are watching huge structures that are connected to the base of the calf repairman and these structures goes are extending underneath for let's say tens and tens of meters. Approximately we have measured approximately over one kilometer of depth. Over a kilometer of depth. Yes, over a thousand meters. And what do the structures look like? Yes, the structures are like the tomographies are public so we have done a scientific interpretation of those tomographies and they are like cubes that are connected to the base of the pyramid. We are counting at the moment four plus four cubes that are descending underneath and they are connecting the top so the base of the pyramid to something that is located at the bottom. So at the bottom we probably have huge chambers for approximately 80 meters wide of wide of width and also of height 80 meters on the bottom. On the bottom? Yes. And so what is that that's like the kind of foundation structure on which probably because we are observing that the cubes are connected to the respective top of this structure they are connected and goes inside. Wow. Because then I explain why and all the physics that is behind all these measurements. And obviously we don't know the exact objective of these things. What we know now is this. There are these structures, tubes, huge tubes that are descending underneath and we have noticed that these tubes have a sort of spiral nature. So they spiral around themselves going down. And then we have noticed that each tube has a core in the center which is that they say connects the spirals. And this core descends down. So just to be clear the physics behind all these all these work that we have done. We have used an equipment or a device, let's say a device, a payload that is called radar. Radar is an acronymus that it means radio detection and ranging. So we detect things remotely and while we detect things we can also measure a distance. This is the radar. In the past radar was installed on board ships maybe to know for safety navigation or on board aeroplanes. But today they are also onboard satellites. And of course the technology advanced and radar became synthetic aperture radar. Why synthetic aperture radar? Because we need two perform pictures, electromagnetic pictures of the earth. It requests in the so-called remote sensing of the earth observation. And the more the aperture and the detailed are the image of the radar. So synthetic aperture radar it means that we synthesize a very long aperture in order to have very high resolution on the earth. We are talking about a sub-metric resolution. Maybe a pixel can be of this dimension or of this square. So it is very important. It's like a quarter of a meter right? It's a pretty strong resolution. And there are companies like ISI and others that do all sorts of work when it comes to synthetic aperture radar. They have Umbra, Capella space which I think are responsible for some of these scans are very credible companies that do work in defense and commercial applications as well. They are the companies that you said they are American, Capella space and the ICI's and the European company. We have Cosmos and Cosmos Camiat second generation which is an Italian company affiliated to the Italian space agency. So we have a lot of equipment, a lot of radars and we use data produced by these satellites to perform the scanning on Giza. And so radar backing up is just bouncing radio waves off of physical objects. Synthetic aperture radar is a way to do that with finer resolution essentially. And so how does that work exactly? I have to tell you this. That is very important because initially when we announced that this discovery there was a lot of mess in terms of scientific information. So misunderstanding, a lot of misunderstanding. Radar, synthetic aperture radar cannot penetrate the earth. So electromagnetic waves has also has only superficial interaction. According to the maxultiory according to the past physics, classical physics, the interaction of electromagnetic wave is superficial. Maybe you can have a bit of penetration but very few centimeters of penetration. In this case, we have used, we have developed a new technique which we are able to detect the superficial vibrations of the earth. Why? Because vibrations penetrates the earth. It means that photon and phonon and phonons which is the quantum of light, of electromagnetic waves and the quantum of vibrations. So photon and phonons are separated by something called boundary. It means that light propagates only in the free space and not in the matter. Phonon propagates only in the matter and not in a free space. So in order to combine these two, we tried and we successfully combined the two informations given by the photon and by the photon, where we have both of them. Try to guess where we have both of them in the intersection at the boundary. And at the boundary, we have the information of the photons and the phonons. We have the interaction of them. And there we were able to retrieve the so-called sufficient statistic in order to perform a tomographic inversion and so to go deeply inside the earth. So this is something that we have developed two years ago. And it is new. And at the beginning, people were not, you know, it was something new. So it had to pass some time in order to realize that this was possible. Is something penetrating the earth? So in the case of radar, like you said, it's reflecting off the earth's surface, pretty much superficial. What else is penetrating the earth to even gather the data on the structures? I tell you this, the satellites flies in the space. On a velocity of approximately seven kilometers per seconds, it means that in one second, the satellite has flight flow seven kilometers. Then this high speed, this high velocity permits the radar to synthesize a very generous Doppler bandwidth. Doppler, it means that the electromagnetic waves that we transmit and receive are frequency modulated by the movement of the earth. If the earth vibrates because of the presence of seismic waves, the presence of vibration you by the cities, the presence of vibration you by any natural phenomena occurring on the earth while we are observing it by the radar, it means that the earth is moving. And if this movement performs a frequency modulation on the return signal, so this frequency modulation is proportional to the vibration. We can grab the vibration of the earth. And this vibration that is located on the boundary has all the information of the vibration present in the below the earth. According to this, it was possible to perform an algorithm that realizes tomography. Tomography, it means I look inside, tomos in Latin, it means slice. So we can scan the earth according to slice that are located below the earth. Slice, imagine to uncharge or to extract a vibrational slice from below the earth. And here you can see everything concerning the energy vibration on a certain depth. So, phonon, which is vibration converts to photon, which is basically a light packet, which is the unit of an electromagnetic wave, the frequency modulation, then goes to the satellite and allows you to read vibrational differences in the earth, which is obviously correlated with material differences. This is under the earth and you can figure out the structure underneath the earth. Is that correct? Yes. Okay, that's very interesting. And I think to maybe the skeptic out there, I imagine this is used in other cases, right? Like this isn't just used for scanning underneath the pyramids. Has this been used in commercial industry and defense, anything else? As you know, on American Alchemy, we cover a lot of technology that goes beyond human limits. This is about technology that helps the body catch up and feel good. I'm talking about the iristor LED face mask, a red light therapy system that uses clinical grade wavelengths to boost skin cell energy production. 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Red light therapy has really been a game changer for me, so I hope you love it. It can be used for everything. I suppose for commercial purpose. When we are able to retrieve the superficial vibration of dirt in order to perform tomography, we can use this technique for maybe fore-mining, maybe for crude oil extraction, maybe for other kind of application that can be used for humans. Is it currently used for anything? I've heard that it might be used to map magma chambers and volcanoes. Yes, it can be used for map, the magma chambers of the bouquinos. My personal opinion is very important to do this type of facilities because I give you an example. In Italy, we have a very dangerous bouquina, the Vesubius, the dislocated in Naples. From 1948, this bouquina is not smoking anymore, so it is accumulating energy. We know that I'm not saying that tomorrow we'll be able to get rid of the root. I'm not saying this, but it has to be monetized. I tell you, Italy is very here in Italy, we are focussed on depth. It means that it is very under attention. There are a lot of incitocismograph radars are using the so-called interferometry, which measures the displacement of the earth are always also wide with on my work. It is always under attention. This other method can help scientists to study bouquinos. Absolutely. I think it is very important for people to hear that this method is used in business contexts when money is on the line or in the case of Mount Vesubius so that another Pompeii doesn't happen. Lives are on the line. This is a tried and true method, Doppler tomography, because it is really funny, man. Even in preparing for the interview, you can chat GPT, you know, you're finding under the conference pyramid. The response you get back is synthetic aperture radar can't penetrate below a quarter of a centre meter below the earth. They don't even mention the Doppler tomography, which is used in all these other contexts. It is just bizarre. I don't know why either, man. It is a... Yeah, okay. So that's really helpful that it is used constantly. I think it is important for people to understand your background as well. You do some work with the Italian military that's classified. You can't even speak about it, right? So it's clearly useful to them because they don't want anybody talking about it. Should I not be asking about that? Okay. I'm just saying the facts that you do it. Are you not supposed to say it? Okay, sorry. I mean, in the US, like, you can say like, I do work. I just can't talk about it, but you don't even want to say that you do the work. Okay, okay. Forget it. What was your motivation in the first place to even look below the pyramids? How did you have a hypothesis? I mean, most people wouldn't even think that there might be something there. Yes. Thank you for this question. The first thing I did is to move on with because I had in my consciousness to make something for humanity. So the first thing is, okay, let's see what is happening under the visubius. And I wrote a paper. It was very, very nice paper. And together also with the National Research Conceal of Italy, because we have synchronized the data coming from in situ seismograph with the radar data and the matching together. I suggest to read that paper is very nice. It is open source. Everything is open source. And here I can say it's in my article or not, it's in my book, it's in my article. So, and then after writing this or something, no money only for humanity, and continuing this paradigm only for humanity, according to my friend in 2019, Corrado Malanga, we decided to do something concerning. If it was possible to scan inside the Knoom Kufu or K-Opspiant. And then we made the motivation. The motivation was because Giza is, I think, the archaeological, the best archaeological site in the world. There are a lot of things that in my best or obedient has to be discovered and we are doing it. So we moved there because we were motivated, very motivated to move in Giza because Giza is very important for humanity. And you go from there? The past. We are. Who are we? Because in my best or obedient people, when they born, we don't know who we are. We are here and we don't know anything about our past, our history. And who we are. Truly. And Egypt is the center of the debate. If humans have collective amnesia and we don't remember who we are, Egypt is the center of the epicenter of that kind of discussion because you have people on the one hand like Robert Beval and Graham Hancock and Robert Schock, who since the 90s have been saying very interesting things about possibly limestone damage on the sphinx and a lot of these structures possibly being dating back to pre what we think of as the Egyptian kingdoms talking about their mapping to processions and to Orion's belt at the time of 10,500 when they think maybe the sphinx was built. And you have subterranean chambers in that area as well. You have Zahiwas, the minister of culture famously debating them and trying to suppress a lot of this information. But admitting that there are some chambers down there, he even went down in certain cases and then it's often nothing to see here. Don't dig further. So it is this. And then if you think about Western civilization, the Greeks got a lot from the Egyptians. And Egypt, pre-Egypt, you have Sumeria, a couple of other cultures we know less about. But Egypt was far more advanced than a lot of what was proceeding it. And so it's this really interesting, seminal place to look I think. I agree with you. In my bachelor's degree they were far, far advanced with respect to others. We can see how they used to cut the stones very precisely like that. I don't know if you went. I went for the first time in the Serapéo of Sarkara. That's something very amazing. You see these huge, I would say, not sarcophagus. They are sarcophagus, let's call them sarcophagus, but they are not sarcophagus. Very precisely, very heavy. And so the first thing I can say how they built them, how they transported them in that site. We don't know anything about things. Yeah, it's taking courts from 500 miles away. We don't know how that works, we don't know how you get. That's what today it's a problem to transport those heavy masses, all these, all the distance from the park to another one. Even today it would be hard. We're talking about 10, 20, 30 ton stones. And they do, in some cases, look like they were laid or something. They were even modern techniques of civil engineering wouldn't be able to recreate some of these things. So it's just really amazing. Do you have, for example, the pyramids? Do you have a good theory on how they were built? Very interesting question. Personally, my own theory, I don't have my own theory on to say how they were built, those huge structures. Just to tell you, two weeks ago I went for the first time in Egypt. So I appreciate in person those pyramids, I went inside the pyramids and I was very amazing for the first time. How they built those huge structures, I don't know, I really don't know. And you know, before the study that we did, so I'm saying this for me, maybe people used to ask in their self how they could realize those huge structures, the technology that they used to use for these pyramids. And if we consider also the destruction that is underneath, what can we say about this? What do you think? What can we say? I don't know. Yeah. Really, I don't know. Because our Armando Mai who you collaborated with has some interesting ideas as to maybe the function of these pyramids. Yes, Armando, we speak about this every day with Armando, with Corrado, and we speak also with Christopher Dunn that has a lot of theories about energy plants or other kinds of purposes about the pyramids. In my personal opinion, now is time to stay on together and work on a common propose. We have to go and see in person what the reason underneath. I think Christopher Dunn's ideas are fascinating that it's some sort of solid state electron generator and it can sort of, it has wave guides for microwave transmission. Maybe it was hydrogen generator or something. It's really interesting. I don't know what to make of it, but it seems very rigorous and smart in terms of the way he thinks about it. Do you think that there's something possibly there? Because you have his work preceding the scans that you found where he's hypothesizing all this stuff. And then you essentially find what looks like in energy grid. It looks like coils wrapping around these sort of possibly charged rods or something. That's what it looks like. Yes, I thank a lot Christopher Dunn because he and I said our research. So I am very thankful to him because I knew him in person. He's really wonderful, wonderful person. And so I thank him. Yes, I agree with him because I think he was the first person that gave this theory about energy power plant or something related to information. Let's say information. You have a very fascinating hypothesis as to what the pyramid or theory, as to what the pyramid actually was. Well, my first book pretty much describes what I thought it was in 1998, which was a power plant. The book is entitled the Gees of Power Plant. I describe it as an electron harvest. And I agree with him. What can I say personally? Person I can say that this structure, the tubes, the targoying below the earth, the pyramid are something related to information. Information from the stars? I can say anything about this. Why do you think information? Information because also generating energy is a kind of information. Information is everything. I tell you. And in all this technical compound, there is my personal opinion, an actor that it is always present. You know what it is? Water. Water. Water is the principal actor that is related to all these structures. Why do you say that? What role does water play in the pyramid? Water when flows, maybe let's say on the pipes, like that, it generates certain information in terms of a vibration that is very precise. Because water is the important stuff of life that is present on the earth, very a lot, the earth is full of water. We are water. And so the pyramids and the water are connected together. And when you say it generates information, I tell you. You know that we are made of water. 80% or something? I think more. Maybe more. It depends on how you are watching your percentage. I tell you. In terms of mass of the molecules, I agree with you. 80%. But in terms of molars, it means number of molecules. We are 98% or 99%. Well, it means that that 1% of number of molecules are half the weight of the 20% that you said before. In terms of number of atoms of molecules that is composed of our body, we are 99% of water. Yes. So that's very important. That's extremely interesting. If you are seeing it in terms of mass, the 1% of molecules has the mass of the 20% of all the entire water, composing my body. So 80% or 20% in mass, 99% in 1% in terms of number of molecules. And that's because of this power law, where there's, how does that work exactly? So you have the mass has less number of molecules than the water. The water has more molecules. It means that they have a great weight. So the proteins, I don't know, other things that are composed in our body, that is 1% in terms of molars. Number of molecules. That's interesting. Is there all these studies as a guy named Gerald Pollock who talks about this? I suggest to read the studies of Giuliano and the millions of Giulias, where two former professors of the University of Milan. What are they? What are they talking about? Yes, they were the scientists that worked together to fleshman and ponds. So fleshman and ponds for the audience who might not be aware were proponents of cold fusion, so low energy nuclear reactions. And they claimed all these over-unity results. And then I think maybe they were sabotaged and maybe some scientific suppression occurred, who knows. So they had a connection with fleshman and ponds. Absolutely, yes. They studied all that. Because unfortunately it disappeared both because they were wonderful. Emilio del Giudice and Giuliano Propriato. Does this have to do with deuterium at all? Heavy water? On this show we talk about advanced exotic technology. But the most advanced system you'll ever deal with is your own body, your own biology. In the older you get, the slower your body responds. It's not broken, it's just a bit laggy. That's where stem cells come in. They're basically your built-in repair crew. And as we age, the signals your stem cells send get weaker. Pallia stem cell is designed to support those natural repair processes. 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You know, some of the low energy nuclear people, even now doing experiments say, deuterium atoms are really important. Absolutely. Yes. So that's heavy water. And so I wonder if there's some connection between what you're saying. Because when I asked you, you know, how should we look into water? You mentioned these two Italian scientists. And then you mentioned the cold fusion. Absolutely. It is very important. Cold fusion. Cold fusion is I'm not interested in cold fusion, but I'm very passionate. I have passion in cold fusion. When two hydrogen atoms are connecting together, and they transform in helium atom. Relasing energy. Because helium atom has a weight less than two hydrogen atoms. So by different mass, they generate energy in terms of electromagnetic waves. This kind of, let's say, union can be done or forcing the atoms together or persuading them to be naturally connected. That's cold fusion. It's the second. You have to find a method to persuade, to convince the two atom to go together, naturally, without forcing them. That's good fusion. Hot fusion is the first one. But I tell you, that hot fusion, the various tokamak that they are designing or other kind of hot fusion, given by pumping energy, designing very powerful laser, magnetic confinement. I can tell you, that is the energy of the fusion. It means that we'll never find the present. What do you mean? That doesn't work. It doesn't work. It's the energy of the hot fusion. No, I agree. I don't know. It'll always be of the future. I fully agree because it's always, it's extremely hard to make it work. Basically, for the audience, controlled fusion is the holy grail. We only have fusion in the form of hydrogen bombs right now, which is obviously very dystopian thing. With tokamak receptors, it feels like a fool's errand or almost self-defeating because of the amount of energy input to make the thing in the first place. It is very high energy. There's all these lore rumors of cold fusion. I'd say, Pond's inflation are probably the most credible of the rumors. I think so, yes. That would be this groundbreaking thing because if you had an over-unity reaction with low energy input, it's like paradigm shifting for humanity. It's free energy. What do they find that flash my impulse? Also, Giuliano Verparada and then you, the Giulitans, after it was, how can we persuade to hydrogen atoms to go together? Because there are the atomic forces that the most you can find those atoms and they will never go together. Yeah, you have columns for which is repulsion, electron repulsion. How do you persuade them? How do you do that? Like, where are two people that they do not talk to each other? No, I don't want to talk to you. So maybe a third person comes here and persuades you and me to talk together. And that third person was the Atom of Palladium. Palladium is a special, let's say, material that it's able to persuade to atoms of hydrogen to go together and become magically an atom of helium and the fusion reaction is done by Palladium. And also electricity. So, the Ethereum, Palladium, electricity and this recipe allows the cold fusion. There was problems about the quantity, the amount of energy, you know, that was very little. But if the research from the 80s to now, where perform maybe today, we can have better results with respect to the 80s when the first experiment of flash manate points was announced. Do you think that the pyramid was a nuclear fusion machine? Please give me another question. I don't know. Well, the more specific question would be when you were talking about water transferring information, yes, where does that leave us as far as what it could be? Like, is there... My thoughts on being could be, but I say... Was there any evidence that Palladium was involved in? We don't know. As I tell you, we have to go down and see and explore what is really that... Jeetza, what's the Jeetza? Yeah, yeah. Can't be tombs, I don't know. Well, I think that it's funny. It used to be conventional dogma that they were all teams. Now, you had Grimhankoq for the last 30 years being like, it's not a tomb. Now people are like, okay, maybe it's not a tomb. So it's slowly, slowly following, you know, do you think that mapping to Orion's belt around 10,500 BC? There's something somehow important with that. Because if you... If you... Basically, yeah, they do map to Orion's belt. Orion's belt plays a very important role in a lot of different traditions, even like, tolling me, you know, said that the soul's path was through Orion's belt. I asked Grimhankoq on my show. I said, what do you think the pyramids were for if they weren't tombs? And he gave me a very trippy answer. He said something about, you know, ascending through them. Like, once maybe a Pharaoh has died, they're buried there, and then it's like an ascension portal or something. When it comes to the pyramids themselves lining up at the Rhine's belt, Rhine's belt has always, across many cultures, been the place of ascension of souls. Absolutely. It is... It is here in North America. And in Central America and in South America, the path of souls, that idea that on death, our soul makes a kind of leap up to the heavens and then makes a journey along the Milky Way. And that journey is full of challenges and difficulties on which we will be assessed for the use we made of the incredible gift of life. That idea is found all over the world. Do you have you considered any of these things? In my words, are we, or no? Yeah. There is something that Gives or has to be something that is related to give a better life of the people at the time living there. So maybe an energy power plant, something related to chemical, something related to, I don't know, mining, something related, but or a combination of everything. So there is something that is related to make better living people there. And speaking of water, aren't there rumors of a water table also? Yes. Below the copper pyramid? Yes. Below the copper pyramid, there is water. Absolutely. Yes. Because we found water in the, in the Osiris shaft at minus 33, 30 centimeters, approximately. I don't remember precisely, there is water. But I have to, in my personal way, I have to say this, water cannot be everywhere. Maybe we find water in the Osiris shaft. We move a bit on the left, on the right, on the north, on the south, and there is no water. So it's not a mathematical, a mathematical that we find water everywhere in Gita. That's the first thing. Then I will explain you what the Kaffir research project is moving on because it's related to the water. Because as I told you, water is the principal actor of Gita. Well, before we get to that, I want to give you one more like the skeptics say you can't go that deep. With Doppler tomography, we can definitely go a thousand meters deep, a kilometer deep. It's possible. Absolutely. And we have in other cases. Because the vibrations are traveling inside the limestone and two kilometers, I don't remember 2.5 kilometers per second, something like that. Sorry about you making a mistake because I don't remember precisely, but the water is there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the image that went viral all over the internet of the coils. You said four by four, 16 pillars, energy grid. The other critique. Four plus four, not times. So eight pillars. Now, I'll good. So eight pillars in this shape of an energy grid. You have Sabina Hassenfelder, is this physicist? She makes this video. She was nice. She was nice. And she was, I think, pretty open-minded in her video. But at the end, she said, I think that the AI reconstruction of the image is taking liberties. Because basically, for the audience, you have tomography scans. So that's the raw data. And then you have what went viral all over the internet, which is these imagery constructions. That's the pillars with the perfect coils that everybody's seen. So it's beyond my expertise. Do you think that that's a faithful rendition of what you actually measured the pillars with the coils? The shape is that. The shape of the doppelpertomography was regasting a spiral form. So we can't say that our, I don't know, copper coils or they are, what we can't understand. We can't understand this. We can't understand that maybe can be, I don't know, stairs that are going down. Or I don't know, they are cables that are going down. What we understand this, they have, it is something that has a spiral nature. But that's all. Are you like 100% sure it's man-made? We couldn't naturally. 100%. Yes, it's man-made. This, I can't. Because you don't find things in nature that coil perfect and perfect, you know. It's man-made. It's man-made. Okay. So that's easy to say definitively. You never see anything in any of your other sub-surface scans that look anything like that. No, no, no, absolutely. Okay. And then it's a question of what's the material and, you know, but you feel like you have some decent resolution. You think that it is these circular pillars, something wrapping around it. For sure. Maybe it is hard to say which kind of material is or for now, maybe if we have hundreds of tomographies with a ground truth, we can also understand the acoustic fingerprint. And maybe we can move into material recognition. And that's what we are working now. Because we like to move this technique for mining. Today mining is very important. Also, United States or other countries, we need rare earth materials. We need gold. They go this very important. No, we see the gold price going up every day. Why? Because in this moment, technology is exploding. We need rare earth materials for our devices. Because there is AI, because there is, I don't know, Nvidia that has to build a lot of, sorry, by the same same Nvidia or other companies. The graphic cards that are very powerful. So we need rare earth materials. So now we are moving further. Maybe in some years, we will be able to know which kind of material we are dealing. But now not, I'm not ready. So what we can say is, okay, that in that part of the tomogram, we have high vibrational energy and there we have lower vibrational energy. The peak, the peak cells, we can represent that they underneath as a spear on the ship. But we can't understand the type of material. And the AI reconstruction for the image, are you using generic software or your own software? No, my own software. Not AI. Okay. It's your own software. And that your own software, you use that in other contexts when you use, sorry, Doppler tomography. In the scientific community, it's called the pseudo inversion of measurements. Okay. In order to retry the tomographic analysis, it's called the pseudo inversion. But you do this a lot over the course of a year. And you feel confident because you've, in the other cases, based on the software read, in certain cases, you probably can go down and verify what you're seeing. And in those cases, they usually check, they usually check out, they confirm what you see in the software. You are speaking about validation. Yes. Okay. Yeah, have you been validated in other cases? We do, we did a lot of validation experiments. A lot of because as a scientist, I have to validate, no, how can I present my results, like that, no, it's not possible. So you know that validating things that are underneath is very difficult. Yeah, to go down is difficult. It's difficult. Yeah. But it's not impossible. Yeah. Have you done it ever? Yeah. So this strategy that we have made is this. We know that there is a structure where we know everything about it in a certain depth. Okay, let's move, let's move there and we try to perform tomographic inversion there. So to see if our results are matching with the reality. Have you done those experiments? I guess. Okay. Have you done a lot of them? That's another point, it's another point of view. Three or four experiments. Okay. I tell you it's very difficult to do a regression. So we did a measurement of the Grand Sassos, the Italian, physical, lab, or other located inside the mountain. It's 200 kilometers far from here and we depicted the laboratory. Okay. That's our measurements and the reality. How accurate. Oh, 100%. They match. 100%. Did you do a double blind? So you didn't explain me double blind, the police? Yes. The way I would do the experiment in order to prove that sourdoughpler tomography is really effective is I would, if I were you, find somebody else who's a good practitioner of sourdoughpler tomography and who can get the scans somehow. I guess if you're using a satellite, so I don't know. But somebody who isn't aware like you that you're doing a test and you say, okay, get the tomography scans. And then you create an image based on the tomography scans with your software. Yes. And then see if that matches because you already probably know what the laboratory looks like. I didn't do that. Yes. It is important. Yes. We have to do it. Yes. But we didn't do it. But it's still you've done your own scans and it lined up with what you saw. And then, okay, so that's pretty yeah. Because I mean to me artificial intelligence is just pattern matching. So the more data you have, the more you're like, okay, I've mapped this and then I've also validated and seen it personally and myself physically measured it and it lines up. If you have, you know, a lot of instances of that, I think we can kind of say that there's definitely something here. So I just want to tell you this. Yeah. The rule of an artificial intelligence in our technique. Mm-hmm. Okay. There is not rule because we do use artificial intelligence. Mm-hmm. Okay. That's funny people. Okay. Okay. Let's forget artificial intelligence. I tell you how it works. Okay. It works like that. We have measurements. Okay. Yeah. We have a model and I tell you what's a model. And we can, if we have the measurements and we have the model, we can say, do inverse the model and so to retrieve the result. Okay. The result is tomography. Okay. Okay. It works like that. It works. Yeah. It's a model results. Not artificial intelligence. Did the data just come from one satellite or from multiple satellites? Multiple satellites. For the calf, right? Absolutely. And they both four satellites. No, or a eyesight, a couple of space, aumbra space, cosmos, climate, four satellites. All four. Yes. Wow. And all four gave you the same raw tomography data. I had to go to the results. That's amazing. That's really amazing. It is the basic, the basic things. We can also announce anything without these basics, artificial metals. And you've done four, so instances of validation in other cases to show that structures that you are measuring actually look like what you think they do. Yes. I don't know. We have measured also the Ossahiris shaft, which is well known at the structure. The structure is well known. And the readings that you got in the synthetic aperture radar doppler tomography matched. Wow. Okay. So that's pretty good. We don't have a double blind because I don't know what's the depth down. How deep down does that go? Thirty seven meters, the last one and then, but the Ossahiris shaft goes down. Yeah. It goes down for a while. I don't remember. Okay. It's okay. Maybe I don't remember. No, no, no, it's okay. So that's fascinating. I mean, that gives me a lot of confidence that there's something there. So, Philippa, what are the next steps of the Kaffir project? The next steps. We are moving to completing all the scanning. We are completing. We are nearly finished. We have nearly finished all the scanning. And now we are working on dealing with the Egyptian authorities in order to request some authorization to go in situ and do some measurements. Do you think that you'll get permission from the Egyptian authorities? Okay. You know, in Italy, we have this kind of saying like that that is mixed with latent. If I ask you something, it's something is human. I can ask you something. But to obtain what I have asked you is another kind of fish. So we are working on compiling a project proposal. Maybe the Kaffir research project can be at the center. So me, Armando, Corvardo, and we can work together with the university. Let's say, University of Ferrara. And maybe other companies that physically can work on Giza. So you want to get funding and work with an academic institution and then be able to and do you think because historically, and you saw it with Zahia Was going on, Joe Rogan, you know, very recently. I discovered, I discovered, I discovered, now. You just have these people in charge who are closed-minded, they're corrupt, their incentives are to basically force fit any new finding into the country's own history. And if something involves any civilization predating that country, they're going to have an allergic reaction to it. So how do you get around that? I'm dealing with that a little bit because I've done some stories in Peru. And they have their own ministry of culture and they have gatekeepers as well. And it's extremely frustrating. And our mutual friend, Jay, has experienced that as well. So what, yeah, I guess, how do you get around that? How do you get around the politics? Good question. I went two weeks ago, as I told you before, I went in Egypt. I found a nice country, nice, very nice people. I don't know if all of them are over the mind, but maybe yes. I found that they are very friendly and they love the pyramids. They love the pyramids. We, in my personal opinion, we are not against them, but we are together. We are all together. It would be the best thing in the world for Egypt, for tourism, for national pride. If they found out that the pyramids had some elaborate substructure and some exotic functionality that we don't know of today. I mean, we don't know, but maybe in a couple of years, yes. It would be a groundbreaking discovery, a revelation, and it would be the best possible thing for Egyptian GDP in the world. It would be amazing. I can't think of a better scenario for that. And I tell you, maybe these times are we are ready to do it. Who knows? Yeah, who knows? I like that attitude. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, the water thing is so interesting. What do you think, as far as you say, water has information. And what is that? I mean, obviously, there's a water table below the coffer pyramid. But why is that significant otherwise, as far as the pyramid structure itself? Yes, it's, thank you for this question. It's important. Water table, water table, why, if the Egyptian authority will give us the authorization to go there in situ and makes measurements, maybe make some cleanings on the existing facilities, we are not asking to go inside the pyramid. And I tell you, I tell you, maybe we are asking to go on the Gisablato. Because on the Gisablato, there are, I don't know, you remember when you went there, there are some existing shafts that are located between the coffer pyramid and the these things. There are some shafts that are, that has the entrance on the surface of the plateau. But when you go there, you can see that they are blocked by the bridge, so very solid inside. And according to our scouts, we are confident, very confident that those shafts are connected to the underground facilities that are located below Gisablato. So it is not necessary to go inside the pyramids, because the pyramids are something a bit more complicated, it's something more complicated to have authorization. Maybe can be simpler, can be better to have authorization staying on the plateau, not going inside the pyramids. And that we can do a lot of things. The first thing that we can do is to perform in situ measurements, so in situ measurements, campaign, using seismic reflectivity methods, not to double the tomography, other methods, so maybe to see if they match with my methods. And in that context, we will be able to map very precisely the water level under the plateau. That's the first thing that in my personal opinion, we can do. Then we can measure perfect and so match the in situ measurements with my measurements and see how the depth of the existing shafts that are located on the Gisablato. The third step can be to clean those shafts. We can clean them, because now they are blocked by debris. There are also other things like rubbish inside those shafts, so they have to be clean, clean. And while we are cleaning the shafts, we can go down, down and down and see what there is at the end of them. In our personal opinion, that's a set of the centers, a secondary entrance that connects that facility to the main facility that is located. Do you think we can turn the power grid back on? Back we do like that. Beamsheet out of the top of the perimeter. That's so interesting. How does Dunn think that this is like a fusion generator? Does he think that? That we could produce over unity energy from it? Chris has a very clear idea and I agree with him that the power that Gisablato is related to electricity or something that is very near to electricity. It's such kind of electron generator energy, electrons. And maybe it can be hypothesized this as I told you, water is very important. Maybe the water goes through these spirals and the spirals are made by piezoelectric material. And while the water is flowing through the spirals are exciting, these piezoelectric materials that generate electricity, something like that, but it's all in a dadeus. To go there and check. Interesting. And is he interested in Pons' flashmen? We did talk about Pons' flashmen, about fusion reactors about that kind of stuff. But maybe the next time I see him, I will ask him about this. Do these two Italian scientists who mentioned who were kind of adherents to Pons' flashmen? Do you think, do they hypothesize that the pyramids themselves have anything to do with nuclear fusion? I'm fasciaulagi, I don't know. Because now they voted, they disappeared, they're sold. They disappeared? Yes. What happened to them? I don't know. They are not with us anymore. Oh, they died. But you said, I mean, not in a mysterious way. Oh, okay. Okay, okay, okay. Amigual Joule di Shiaiting in 2014-2015, Giuliano preparata, errier. Okay, okay. In the beginning of the 2000s, something like that. They were very clever. Armando Mai, who you have worked with and we just discussed for a little bit, he has very like esoteric ideas, it seems like he talks about the number 237 and he talks about what was it 137, sorry. What profound mystery lies hidden behind this number? For what reason did Richard Feynman, the great quantum physicist of the last century, so stubbornly insist on suggesting to his fellow physicists that they should have fixed a small plaque bearing this number upon the walls of their laboratories and then meditate upon it every single day of their lives? Why did Leon Leedham and the 1988 Nobel Laureate in Physics make a point of telling people he had lived in a house numbered 137? 137 in quantum physics is the ratio between the speed of light and that of the electron orbiting the nucleus of the hydrogen atom. You surely haven't failed to notice the correspondence with the number found in the proportions of the second pyramid of Giza. Is it a coincidence? What do you make of his ideas and maybe for the audience can he summarize them? Yes, Armando is a very, very nice person and a scientist also. He is convinced that the number 137 is related to, especially to Kaffir Pyramid, on the Kaffir Pyramid. Exactly, I don't know exactly his theories and I have his books I have to read it and I have to study his books. But I think that I encourage him to go with his ideas because they are very interesting. Armando is a nice guy and he will do a lot of things with us. What do you think of Benvin Kirkwick? He just went on Joe Rogan's show and he talked about this large labyrinth underneath the Lajabird. Like Hawara region and he talks about Herodotus and Pliny the Elder and like past historical accounts of this large chamber. The stories of this hall of records and these rooms beneath this thing go back thousands of years. I mean, not just the Ayers but also Herodotus and these other guys. Also I talked about that whole area, the Sphinx and everything else being vastly more ancient even than the Pyramids. Do you think there's anything interesting there? In some portion of the Gisa Plateau, we found MS in terms of the tomographic reflections. So there are really something like a network of underground tunnels. That because when you watch the tomography you see everything projected on a plane. So it is hard to have the third dimension inside the depth. And yes, there are a lot of connections. The shafts that goes down are all interconnected. And it's difficult for us to make a precise reconstruction of what is connecting the main shafts that are very visible one to each other. Because he's claiming, I think the lab are at this like a half a kilometer or maybe more, maybe a kilometer, it gets extremely big. What there is underneath there is very huge. In fact, in this context, I think Armando, that me and Armando, for Armando I think, said for the first time, that's the tip of the iceberg. The Pyramids are the tip of the iceberg. It's just a head to complete something that is located underneath. It's like a little cherry on top of the substances below. Might that sound good? The measurements are showing that. So interesting. What else did you say you mentioned finding these networks of tunnels? And then obviously you have the coils under Cafferat. Are there any other findings? In this case, I'm sorry, I have to quote Cite also, Trevor Gracie. Because Trevor gave me, for the first time, the indication on the shafts of the shaft people, he told me because he's ex that me and not, Philippe, please explore the depth of the existing shafts that I told you, the shafts are located between Cafferat and the springs. Because from there you can find the entrance to the underground, under Cafferat. Yes, because he's also making independent research a bit far away, but 100 meters far away from these shafts. And he found a so-called corridor of rooms that from the surface goes underneath and then it connects the top to the bottom. And the bottom is constituted by a network of tunnels that are located underneath. Wow. Also he is studying this and he is 100 percent convinced because he wants to go inside personally in the underground, in the interchapting this network of tunnels. It's amazing. Is there anything that you've found besides the network of tunnels, like anything else you have this sort of? Yes, and I told you, I told these things on the conference in Spolato and also in Malta. We had a conference there. The structures that we found in Cafferat, we found the same thing also in Mencoure and also under these springs. Wow. Yes, absolutely. It's on the same thing. The same not 4 plus 4 but in Mencoure, 2 plus 2, a smaller version of these things. And in under these springs only one cube going down. So they are all connected. So the Gisau Plateau is not constituted by the pyramids. That's Mencoure, that's Cafferat and that's K-Ops. No, it is something that has to be considered entirely. Yeah, it's a system, it's a network. It's very fascinating. What do you, like how his academia received these findings? I have to give an answer to this. Giving an answer to this academia is wonderful. Academia is very interesting because there are a lot of things that I learned thanks to academia. It has to be something, we have to be very diplomatic to academia. Because academia works, you have a hypothesis, you make the measurements, and you explain why you had these measurements and then you do comparison with the reality. And you explain the errors. So this is a scientific paper, no? You start from an issue, you perform the measurements, reality and the errors. Reality means a state of the earth. You have any innovation, the state of the earth and the errors. This is academia. So, the data you agree, because I am 100% thankful of academia because it is an institution and it is an exercise to study through academia. Because academia gives us a lot of tools, mathematical tools, scientific tools and physics that are behind things that we do. Also my techniques comes from a canine because I studied this interior, I actually read it from a canine, and that's very important. When there is something new, we have to be careful to announce things. So it is new and it has to pass time to how you say, to realize that the things that we are claiming can be valid or not by the academy. Which I agree. So in this moment we are working on a scientific paper. The scientific paper is, let's say, under review. Is it peer review? Yes, only peer review. Do you have a timeline on when it might get accepted? I don't want to say something because it is under review. Yeah. Let's see what happens. That's exciting. Let's see what happens. I hope it gets peer review. That would be very exciting. I don't know what happens. Maybe it will be rejected. I don't know. But if it will be rejected, we have to know why. If it will be accepted or 100% will be some revision to do. If you are just saying these are the findings, I don't know how it can be rejected. If you are saying we use doppelgraphe and all these other cases involve life or death or normal commercial business cases. So it is useful in the free market context where people have skin in the game on it being useful. And then you are saying we have done cases of validating that it works by going inside of a few things that we have measured. And then you are saying four different synthetic aperture radar companies measured this thing and you have this raw data. And then you have software that you use in other contexts to create images that invert the raw data into an image. Why would that get rejected? That seems super to me. I'm not genius, but that seems very simple and basic and obvious. I agree with you, but academia is very orthodox. So they have I think they are orthodox because of what everyone is saying about the implications of it. Because circulating the internet is everybody saying it's an energy grid and it's at the end that it's fun to speculate about and it could be true. But just the findings themselves are the findings. So it's like I don't see how you can reject that. We are proposing measurements. Let's see what happens. I don't know. Yeah. I just interviewed the sweetest seronomer in Beatrice Vio Royale. She's amazing. And she is similar because she's traditionally credentialed like yourself. She's well respected. She's at Stockholm University. And she's a physicist and master of physicist. And she went to the Palomar Observatory, which is basically the most prominent observatory in use in San Diego in California. From 1949 to 1957. So pre-satellite being in space, she found all these transients that look like mirrors or like light reflecting objects. They're not stars, they're not sun streaks, they're nothing else. And they're pre-satellites. And she found a hundred square-oddly located. These transients came from solar reflections at 42,164 kilometers from the earth or somewhere there around. They really did. That's the thing. Yeah, no it is. It's pre-sporting. Pre-sporting. And so she's trying to find another observatory to see if she can line it up. Because people said that the spots she found are plate defects. But then she basically did a study of these transients, these light reflecting objects. And she looked in the earth's shadow. So the earth's shadow, you know, the sun pointing at the earth. And she wanted to see if there was a drop-off in the earth's shadow. And there was a drop-off showing that they do reflect light. So they're probably physical objects. Yes. Because they reflect light. I would like to read about that. I will send it to you. But it's another example of, and this was just accepted by peer review. Oh. And I think, you know, my sense is that the people around her did everything they could to poke holes in it. Everything. And there's, it's weird. There's no one left poking holes. Sabina Haasenfelder did a video and she's like, I don't know what to say. This is interesting. Brian Keaton, who's, you know, very, you know, well-established physicist, who normally plays the skeptical side, to be honest, he came out and he was like, I find this very interesting. Maybe we should look for corroboration. So it's an amazing time where people like Beatrice and yourself can find these, you know, bold, amazing things and actually try to get peer review. And I really hope you do get peer review. To me, again, I'm, you know, just thinking about it simply, but it makes a lot of sense to me. I don't understand why it would get rejected. In my personal opinion, we, we will need a lot of time for review because I tell you, in 2020, I don't remember, 2021, 22, we initially published a work, a peer review that is online now. But the, the initial work that we made on the kelp pyramid didn't have this such a media explosion on, on, on, on all the world. Now, with the second paper, I know that the editor of the journal where we, submitted the article will be very, I don't know, let's see what happens. I don't know. Yeah, well, I'm excited. And I think if I were you, I would try to keep the claims as humble as possible and just give an honest readout of what you measured. Because I think it's hard to reject if you do that. I think if you insert some of the stuff we're having fun speculating, but it don't insert any of that stuff in the period. Holy measured man. Yeah, because in my opinion, academia is myopic in narrow and not very bold. And so if you do that, then they'll reject it. But just keep it super narrow. That's your way. That's the way. Well, I'm so excited, man. I'm so excited. Do you think that we'll be able to make progress in our lifetime on really understanding what the pyramids are for? Do you think, do you think that what we discover through your work and maybe the fall up work and the Cofford project will wholesale overturn our understanding of the pyramids and maybe reality itself? Maybe yes. We need time for continuing the studies. That's important to say. Time is important to stand the ideas that we have to consolidate ideas that we have. I tell you that the technique that we are using now is every day improving in terms also in terms of precision and the performance. So the answer is yes. Maybe I'll say yes. We can maybe define our provis to go there and march and see what there is. We have to go in sun. Well, I hope you're given access to do that because I think it's really important for the world to just understand both our past from a placing humanity in a specific context, but also technologically who knows what it could unlock? No, no. Maybe in 2026 we'll be a year where if we begin to perform in pseudo exploration, we will know really more in terms of information about the pyramids with respect to now. If we will be able until the end of this year to submit to the Egyptian authorities, a project proposal, having a very focused ideas on it. So without going around, so focused on specific topics, in my births on a wini, we will have an authorization. Why not? Why not? Why not? Well, that's exciting. If we have an authorization, if we will have an authorization, maybe we can find excited, exciting things. My prediction is you will find exciting things if you're given authorization. I think it's cool. So I think to me, the more bigger question is, will you be given authorization? I think if you get authorization, I think you're going to find something very interesting underneath there. Because if you can't explain the way you described it, the tip of the spear, the tip of the iceberg, and that is literally a world wonder. Like, we don't understand it at all. We don't understand how it's built. There are debates about how it's built. If we don't understand that, then, and you're telling me that, that's the tip of the iceberg and that there's this whole network underneath it. Oh my God. I mean, the contribution to humanity, and I hope Egypt is able to see just how special that is. Well, you have to promise to let me and Jay come and film it. You will be, you and Jay, it will be the first to compete. Oh, let's go. Maybe we can get Joe Rogan out too. Well, it's an honor to speak with you. I said hello also to Jay. Yeah, what's up Jay? Project Unity. Go check that out, subscribe. Yeah, no, I'm just so excited. And it does feel like these sort of discoveries are speeding up. I don't know why. I think people are waking up collectively to some of these ideas becoming more open-minded. Yeah, thank you for being bold because I know you come from more of a traditional engineering background. Yes. And to be able to speculate about these things isn't so easy. Actually, before we go, we were, before we were rolling. Yes, I like to tell you all the things. Yeah, tell me. What we did, it is absolutely inside the scientific compounds. Because we did measurements. Yes. They are scientifically approled. So we didn't do nothing exotic. Yeah. Maybe we need to do a double-hull blind check. It has to pass time. No, but to me it's like using an electron microscope or mass spectrometry or something. And just saying, you know, we found these isotope ratios. And then people are like, what do you mean you found those isotope ratios? It's like, we use this machine in a million other contexts. They work. And then here it works and we found the thing. You're telling me that doppler tomography is used in all these other contexts effectively for commercial, and you know, I'm sure it's used for defense that's me speculating. So it's like, if that's the case, why not? Yeah, why would this be any different? Like it's just an instrument that we know works in all these other cases. So it's miraculous. One other thing is before we were rolling, we talked a little bit about this idea of extended electro-dynamics and scalar physics. And some people have hypothesized that some of these ancient structures involved kind of acoustic resonance, but also maybe tap into a more exotic kind of version of electromagnetism than the typical transverse hertzean wave. Do you think that's possible? Have you explored that at all? I never explored this. But it doesn't mean that maybe I will never do it. If you ask me what is a scalar wave, I don't know how. I can't give you an answer because I never studied this kind of topic. I think it's a very unique topic. So, but I am not saying that it does not exist. Yeah. In my personal opinion, all people, academic, not not academic, everyone, we have to be open-minded. We, I tell you this, we go in the past, in the 15th, 1915 maybe, 1910, when an Italian scientist called Gugliano Marconi, who invented the radio, we are now today with these nice things on the internet, thanks to Gugliano Marconi. And this is what I'm saying. It is exactly the example that we are living today, but we are today we are, we are saying this. Gugliano Marconi wanted to perform a huge experiment. So, can I connect the terranovale and with cornovalia? So, a huge distance. Across the Atlantic. Yes, we are across the Atlantic. And can I transmit some information from one part to the other one without cables, only using electromagnetic waves? He was sure about this, the success that he will succeed this experiment, because he felt it inside the heart. All the academia, I am saying nothing about the academy, is not something against the academy, no? Only to explain the fact that is now used to. All the academia was saying, no, Marconi is doing something wrong, because it will never go, it will never be okay this experiment, we never walk. Why? Because the transmitting antenna and the receiving antenna were not in line of sight. And so, Marc's well said that the electromagnetic waves are only transmitting in line of sight, it means that I have to watch physically the transmitting and the receiving. And so, why he is doing that? Because he wants to waste money, because it will never work. I can tell you that who was saying this because it's history, it was maybe Poencare, Professor Rigi, Academy. And so, the journalist from the academy used to go to Marconi, and the ask Marconi Marconi, but the academy said that the experiments would never work. Don't worry, don't worry, follow me, don't worry. Oh, well, when they arrived for doing the experiment, they used to have the, how you say, the morse signal, the morse signal from the transmitting source was transferred immediately to the receiving source. It, it, it, it worked. Why? Because there was the so-called third via the third solution. So, from one side, the theory of Marc's well said that this experiment couldn't work, because the earth is a sphere, no, and so on. It's like a laser pointer, it would be off the board. On the other side, Marconi, that he didn't study, he didn't study, he wasn't a scientist, nothing. He taught, in his mind, wrongly, that electromagnetic waves followed a curved path. That's not possible. Wrong, it was, it's wrong. So, the academy that studied was saying that the experiment will never succeed, and they were, because they studied. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, that he, it was what's a mess, scientific mess, because nobody, or the academia, and Marconi knew about the third via. And what was the third via? The present of the Yonospheres. Yeah, Yonospheres. Conducted by Yonospheres. So, the wavelength that was transmitting Marconi casually, he was interacting with the Yonospheres, and so the electromagnetic wave, according to the maxed theory made like that, and like that directly to the receiving. And so, it worked. That's amazing. And this gave the Nobel Prize to William Marconi. That's an incredible story, because he was right, but he didn't even know why he was right. Until after he figured it out, it's amazing. And Marconi flunked out of school. He flunked, and none of his professors took him seriously. And yeah, even these, they won't. So, everyone has to be open mind. Of course. Well, Electro magnetism in general, Michael Faraday was the early 19th century. He was a poor book binder in South London, who knew nothing. And he just kind of like had revelations about some of this stuff. Of course, he's hard to inside. He was feeling that. It was a part of him, clearly. And Tesla had all of these speaking of scalar physics. He had all these ideas of where Electro magnetism in its current form, even with his update of alternating current over direct current vis-a-vis Edison. Even beyond that, he was talking about wireless instantaneous transmission and his experiments at Wardencliffe that were sponsored by JP Morgan. I think if he were alive today, he would say, you know, his experiments barely scratched the surface of what he thought, the potential for Electro magnetism actually was. So, the point is, just like Einstein is housed within, you can find Newton. Also Einstein. Yeah, yeah. At the time when he developed at the special relativity, he was saying that time is relative, time is changing, it was an erratic thinking. Yes. But was successful, he was successful. So, in this context, everyone has to, of us, has to think erratically. Absolutely. It means, it means, in Italy, in Latin, it means, to be free. Free of mind, okay? Absolutely. Because in the... I read it like the erratic, erratically, erratically. It's free. The whole history of science is the history of heretical thinking, moving science forwards. And scientific paradigm shifts occur when there's a build-up of anomalies and then the kind of damn breaks. So, and each theory, let's say I love the Marconi example, because Newton was right, but he didn't know why he was right. Einstein was more right than Newton in his theory. There's going to be somebody who's more right than Einstein about his theories. And the idea that this is the end of history and the end of physics is the biggest fallacy of like, you know, that we know everything. And it occurs at every generation, every generation we say we know everything. And then somebody figures something out and they're always the heretic. No, anything. That's right. No, everything. And if you can't find somebody who is not part of the conventional body of knowledge who you agree with, you're almost guaranteed to be on the wrong side of history. Because that's the person who's going to bring forward. The trick is finding the right person who's, you know, and that's hard. But, you know, I couldn't agree with you. It's funny. You know, you know, two days ago I interviewed Marconi's grandson. Oh, very nice. And it's really trippy, but he said that his grandfather was part of a secret cabinet from Mussolini to study extraterrestrials. And it was called RS-33. In 1953, the Italian government set up this, a secret research, 53 cabinet, where Marconi was the president and then decofered me was the vice president. And they made some searches and studies on this phenomenon. Because in 1953, they say that in Barreza, in all of Italy there were some apparitions of so-called UFOs. And Magenta, Italy, or do you know where? Barreza, it's north-east Italy, north-east, yes. Barreza, it's north of Milan in Lombadi. And between Lombadi and a benignian land. And it was fascinating. That's the question. He told me that personally, like, and he's a prince. I was, I was, this is amazing. So it's funny you brought him up, but, yeah, it's so... I, I will see that interview. Yeah, yeah, you'll see it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, but it, I'm just, you know, amazed by it. But, yeah, I agree. I think that, yeah, I go for it. I'm not saying that this experiments that we did on Giza, or a Sotelic experiments, erratic, no, they are orthodox. Yeah. But it is a different way to watch electromagnetics. Why? Why not? So it is inside the academic compound. Well, that's... The, the point I think you're making is like, when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when you, you're an archaeologist, and you see a structure, you just say, oh, it's a pyramid. There are pyramids in other parts of the world. That's just this structure. And then you come up with some lame, you know, a justification for why it was built. You come up with some reasons that are kind of inadequate as to how they were built. But you're force-fitting your own priors onto the observation. And you have people like Christopher Dunn who's done all this work just engineering anomalies with the thing itself. And then you're contributing with this, you know, very clear scan of what's underneath the pyramid. And all of these things don't look like normal modern architecture. So the idea that it's just some ancient, you know, tune is so obviously coming from our own false preconceptions based on modernity. It's not based on, you know, unbiased reading of what's happening. Yes. I agree with you. So I would bet on, you know, I'd bet on, I hope your team really figures this out. And it's exciting. It's a really exciting time and history. I think that in 2026, we have to do something. Yeah. Maybe in my best opinion, humanity is ready to go there and to go and see what there is down there because there is something. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, you know, Luis Walter Alvarez, who was really important for the American Atomic Program. He's depicted in the movie Oppenheimer. And he was very high up in the Manhattan Project. You know, he X-rayed the pyramids in the 50s. X-rayed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's been a subject of longstanding interest, like even from like an official American government perspective for a long time. And how he X-rayed it. I don't know exactly. Yeah, but it's online. You can look at it. Yeah. Yeah. It had to use a huge amount of energy in order to penetrate all the mass of the pyramids. Yeah, I guess so. And I think, I don't know. Did there was maybe a, like a Mua, a Mua and detector? Yeah, it's great. Yeah. If we have to speak also about the skamp pyramid project, because there is not only the, the Caffer Project, but there is also, or much more time with respect to us, the Skampium Project. The Skamp pyramid project is using Muan's, which are subparticles that are emitted from the universe. They go to the pyramid and they interpret some, how you say, detectors. So the Muan's impress the detectors and they carry the information about the voids, existing between the top of the pyramids, why they go through the pyramids like that. Yes, the Skamp pyramid project is a well-known research group. They're using another physics. We are using acoustics. They are using subparticles and maybe, let's see if we can reach them. So be in contact with them. Maybe we can work together or share our results. No, because now we are in competition. But if we are in competition, we have to work together. No, the way you have to think about it is, it's you guys against the world. It's not you against the, you know, it's like, it's amazing for everybody if we can figure out anything here. So, and we're up against kind of establishment forces. You know, the Muan detectors, that's specifically for mapping the chambers inside of the pyramid. Is that right? Yes, I tell you, yes. And I tell you why we should collaborate together. There is a difference between the methods that we use and they use. Because we scan from the space, they, from the from so from the space, we can scan underneath. They use the space particle to scan what there is between the pyramid and where they locate physically the detectors. It means that for us is not a request to go physically to locate the detectors. Our detector is the surface of the earth. In my version of opinion, we work better with respect to them because we can detect things where never a human went. Underneath. Their technique is different because they have to go physically somewhere. And so they will retrieve a tomography between the surface and where they locate the detectors. I am hypothesizing this and I will share this information. If we perform a joint project, so a project together, maybe. And if we will be able one day to go inside the shaft and maybe intercepting an horizontal tunnel, constituting the network of tunnels that is underneath, this pyramid project can locate the detectors inside the tunnel in order to retry what there is up to there. I don't know if I am explaining. Yeah, you'll use them and can junction. You'll put the move on detector there. There and so they can scan. It makes sense. Interesting. We have to work together. We don't have to be separated but work together. Yeah, very cool. I love that idea. On that note, Felipe O'Bioldi, this is an absolute honor and a pleasure and I really wish you good luck because I think what you're doing is very important. 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