Episode 276: Joshua’s Surprise Guest. 78 Years in Texas!

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And we became romantic because I was well, I don't know, maybe a little bit unprofessional. I'm not sure. You see, I was hired by a group to guide a special haunted bus tour. Only time this particular tour ever happened, by the way. And she was a customer. She was a guest on my on my haunted bus tour. And the fact of the matter is she just could not resist the charismatic muscular tour guide. And so I ended up giving her a VIP experience. She told me that she was from Texas. She was mainly raised in Katie, Texas, near Houston. And I didn't know anything about Texas, but I was always interested in Texas. And so it became clear that, you know, obviously, as our relationship was developing, I started spending more and more time in Texas, you know, visiting her folks. And I was fascinated by some of the conversations with Lauren's father. Now my father in law, a man named Charlie Munson. He was born in rural Texas the same month and year as the Roswell crash in New Mexico. Most people say it was around July of 1947. And Charlie, he was in the military, the Air Force. In fact, Lauren was born in Seoul, South Korea, because of his work there at the time. And then he worked in the oil business and traveled the world. And I've just always been interested in his life. And so I said to Lauren the other day, I said, you know, your dad is getting close to 80 years old. His mind is sharp as a tech. I should interview him and ask him what the heck it was like growing up in rural Texas back in the 1940s and 50s. So again, his name is Charlie Munson. He lives alone now. And he said, Yeah, I'll be happy to do an interview. And you know, celebrities contact me every day, wanting to be interviewed to promote a book or a show or a movie or an event. But I don't usually do interviews on this show. It's just not my main format for this show. If you actually listen to this show on a regular basis, you know that. So I turned down celebrities every single day. And so when I do decide to interview someone, I want it to be a real person. Thus, what you are about to hear is an interview with a real person, my father in law. He was born in Texas almost 80 years ago. And he's going to tell us what that was like. And then of course, I'm going to ask him if he knows anything about stuff like maybe the assassination of John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas and the Texas good old boy system. But look, there's nothing sensational here. You're about to hear the phone call that I had with my father in law a couple of days ago. And yes, he's lived all over the place. But he was born in Texas. He's in Texas now. So I call this 78 years and Texas. Here we go. Enjoy. Charlie Munson, welcome to the show. Thank you. You know, Charlie, your daughter, Lauren, and I started dating about 30 years ago. So I have known you for a long time. So where were you born? And where are you now? Alright, I was born in a little town called Mercedes, Texas, which is Hidalgo County. It's right on the border between Texas and Mexico. And then I'm currently living in a suburb of Houston called Katie. And been here since about 2009, I think of you. Mercedes, Texas, I'm looking it up right now. I've never heard of it. So you're saying it was right on the border? Yeah, it's right on the border that I looked it up before. And I think there's about 16,000 people there. You know, I haven't been down there. We left there when I was probably a year older a bit less, I don't know. Okay, so now, what is your birthday? It's July 21, 1947. So that makes you about 78. Is that right? That's correct. Now, as you probably know, that is the same month and year when the Roswell crash happened in New Mexico. So come on, Charlie. What do you know about it? Yeah, not much, I guess. Maybe they dropped you off or something. Maybe I bounced over from New Mexico. I don't know. Well, that's interesting. All right, we'll get back to to where you are shortly. But you know, as you know, I was born in North Carolina on the East Coast. And my whole life, I grew up hearing about like, like watching Westerns with my parents shows like Gunsmoke and Bonanza and have gun will travel and the rifleman. And so I always considered anything out West to be out West to me. But when I met Lauren, she said, Oh, Texas is not the old West. It's the South. Well, I mean, do you consider Texas to be part of the old West? Yeah, part of it, I think, you know, the central part is probably more Western. If you go to the East part of Texas, it's more Southern. I grew up in San Antonio. And when we spoke over there, we didn't at that time ever really much of a Texas accent, because we had a lot of military bases there. So there's like 30,000 military people there. So we didn't we didn't develop an accent. I have it now more so than before. Until I came to Houston, and it was like coming down south, you know, everybody had a at a down south accent. But you have to kind of put Texas into the central part of Texas is more Western. And that's where the ranchers and stuff were on the East side is more farming communities. So 78 years ago, you were born in, I guess it's safe to say rural Texas, right? Yeah. So describe for us what was it like as a child growing up in that part of Texas? It was a lot of fun, really. It's like the old thing they say nowadays, you know, our kids we could we left it, you know, we got up in the morning and we we left the house and we came back after dark, you know, and they take dinner. And that's pretty much the way I was raised. Um, it was we could we'd be out in the park and you know, we had wooded woods around the area where we lived in San Antonio and the park that I remember anyway, before that we kind of lived in downtown area. But we just we were we had a creek, we had woods, we had hills, we had a big gravel pit, not too far from the house and we can play down in there that had been abandoned. But it was like a kid's paradise, man. I mean, it was great. We didn't we, of course, we we were pretty much cowboy types. I mean, as far as what we watched on on the movies and stuff like that. So we carried our guns when we were like six or seven years old, you know, played, played cowboy Indians and that kind of thing. So it was, you know, but it was a good life. It was a good lot of fun. So when you were a child back then, what would a treat be like? For example, you know, a birthday or like a really special day? How would someone celebrate you? Our family didn't really celebrate. I mean, we got a cake. That was about it. You know, we might get one gift or something like that. I don't remember off top of my head. Nothing stands out in my mind about it. It was just, you know, kind of another day for everybody. My family was pretty much hard working. My dad was anyway, and my mom later on when she kind of got us into school, we started she went to work. So it was, it was pretty quiet, really. I mean, birthday for Christmas was a little bit more celebration, you know, and but it, you know, it was not anything so it attacked or anything. At what point did you decide that you wanted to do something particular with your life, you know, like I don't want to be a cowboy or whatever the cliche is. Well, yeah, I went with my uncle. I was about 12 years old, I think my uncle decided or they needed to bring in some spring cabs. So they had they had leased some land, I think there's about 1000 acres up near a little town called Goldie at Texas. And myself and my cousin and my two uncles, we left about 530 in the morning, we got to the deal we they got the horses. And we saddled up the horse. They saddled they saddled up the horses. I did. But they saddled up the horses and we we went out into the pasture to bring in the cows because they were having their little cabs. They wanted to they had to do some doctoring on them and they had to do some I think they put some ear tags on or something like that. So we brought them in and that took about all morning. And it's real brushy down there with a lot of a lot of mesquite trees and that kind of thing. They're low mesquite, but you can't see very much. But anyway, we got them all in. And that's why I decided I did not want to be a cowboy. Yeah. I'm telling you, man, I got roe over about 14 times by the by the cab. You know, even the small cabs, they don't look like much, but they can make it knock you down pretty good. And my cousin got drug across he wrote one and got drug across the crown stuff, you know, so that's when I decided that that wasn't something I wanted to do. Maybe ought to use my head. Time for a break. We come back. 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You will find things there that you won't find anywhere else in the world. I promise you Joshua P Warren dot com. Now, let's get back to my conversation with my father in law, Mr. Charlie Munson. Well, of course, this show is called Strange Things. Were there ever any ghost stories or legends or such that you heard growing up back then in those days? Not really. I mean, uh, I'm trying to think of anything that my my uncles or my aunts or any of that kind of thing ever ever talked about. Nobody was nobody was superstitious or anything. No, not too much. They were all, you know, my dad's family was really church oriented. My mother's family not so much, but but still was pretty religious and all that kind of stuff. So it was going to my going to my mother's place. We go down on Christmas sometime and it was like in the 1950s, it was like going into it was like dropping back into the 1800s. If that time in that area of Texas, they didn't have electricity. So we had kerosene lamps. We had wood stoves. We had wood cook stoves. We had we had water. We had a windmill and a cistern outside, but but no water in the house, no toilets in the house. You know, it was it was just like that. I guarantee it was just like going back, you know, 50 or 100 years and like 1800s. It was it was really I think back about it. And it was really, it's really an interesting time. Well, you know, speaking of that, again, going back to like these stories we hear about old gunslingers and what night. I mean, I'm sure when you were a kid or a young man, you met some really old guys who probably went back to the 1800s. Did you ever meet a guy who like killed somebody or had some kind of wild story? Yeah, my grandfather, he he was a sheriff in Lovaca County back in the early 1900s, like, you know, five, stuff like that. He he shot a guy in the leg was was trying to escape. And there was he told the story about two brothers who had come into town and they came into town square and got a hotel room that overlooked the town square. And this man walked through the town square the next day and they shot him. And so they put him on trial for murder. And they asked them why that they had shot this guy. And he had gotten their sister pregnant. So they actually released them. They didn't they didn't convict them. I didn't really meet. I met a lot of Cowboys. I mean, a lot old old timey Cowboys. They used to sit on my my uncle had a had an old general store there in Fanninville town called Fanninville. And they'd all sit on the on their benches out front. They'd all sit on the benches and smoke and talk ill story. So I used to listen to those but I can't remember too many other but that's about it. Back in the day, everybody used to smoke. Huh? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was. I mean, you look at you know, you you look at some of the old old movies and stuff. I mean, they were like chimneys. They were sweet smoking all the time. But yeah, everybody was smoking. I mean, a lot of the guys that came back from World War Two. I mean, that was one of I guess the only thing that kind of calmed their nerves during World War Two was, you know, smoking. So that became something they did. Did you ever get into tobacco? I smoked a little bit off and on. But I never got into it. I smoked. I smoked one time I was I was kind of getting more into it and I went in the office. I bought a pack of cigarettes, went in the office and I was doing my normal stuff in the office and I smoked an entire pack of cigarettes in the morning. So I decided at that point I didn't want to do that anymore because I could taste anything for the next Oh man. Yeah, it is amazing. Isn't it when you look back at just yeah, the guys who would chew big old balls of tobacco and lay out all the baseball players and it's like it was yeah, it's a common thing. Put the snuff in between your lips and your teeth, you know, and then you're, you know, unfortunately your cancer's on it. Yeah, yeah. And I'm bad. So so you you found it enjoyable growing up in those days? I mean, like, did you ever use an outhouse? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And when was mainly when my grand my grand parents, you know, you had to go if you had go there was a fence, there was a wire fence around the main yard. And then there was a barnyard. Okay. And in the barnyard, there was a couple of cows, a couple of milk cows. And there was a hog bin. And my uncle kept I think they kept a couple of horses, but there was one month ahead that was he's real pretty floral colored horse. But he was real mean. And you had to watch for him because when you went to the outhouse, which was about 25 yards from the house or something out in the out in the barnyard area. You had to watch for him because he kind of come at you every once in a while. You had to you had to kind of sprint out to the toilet. You know, it's kind of kind of spooky sometimes in your kids. Well, you know, I'm just obviously thinking of questions that are coming up as we talk. But I mean, like in your 78 years, what is what has been your your scariest animal encounter? Actually, that's a good question. Like I'll give you an example. Twice in my life, I have walked up on a black bear in the wilderness. Yeah. And there's nothing in my experience quite like me standing there, looking into the eyes of a black bear and not knowing what's going to happen next. I've never felt a more chilling and cold strike of fear than that. Yeah, you ever had such an encounter? We were in the creek that was down from my house. We used to my friends and I used to go down. And we'd we'd shane along the creek bed to catch minnows. And the we were walking along and I was I was walking next to the bank and so and a snake wrapped around my leg and I jumped about hitting feet up on the bank. So he didn't get a chance to bite me. I was already out of the water. But there was water box and all you know, all around that creek. And when we used to hunt, we used to go fishing down and in the little town called Fannin, there's a creek north of this town. And we should go there and we would take our fishing poles. And we'd also take a 22 or four 10 shotgun with us and a box of shells. I mean, we were in years old 10, 12 years old. And two guys with fish and one guy would shoot snakes, you know, because the snake is when you put the corks in the water when they get the water, but the water mocks and start coming toward it. So we'd shoot and fish at the same time I was we were walking at one point we were walking toward a low, a low bridge. And my cousin yelled snake, you know, and I said, where and I looked down and he had a shotgun and he shot right in front of my down in front of my face and two pieces of snake went by my head. So other than that, I don't think I've had too much. And I said a few words, I said a few words that I couldn't have to do. Anyway, yeah, yeah, this is family friendly radio. So you know, before we kind of move, move into your adulthood, I mean, so you said you had a good childhood, would you go back and relive that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was good. I mean, I mean, it was we were we weren't very well off. We were, I would say in the upper lower class, I guess I don't know. And, you know, it's that part of it bothered me a little bit when I was growing up. But but just the life that we had and where we live. It was just it was like, just a fun deal, man. I mean, every day was okay. I don't remember ever being in the morning. We even rain. You know, it was not a bad deal just to stay in the house. And I had little toy soldiers and stuff and I play with them and that kind of thing when I was a kid. But as you got older, you know, I went to a good high school. We got we had a really good class of kids. And it was it was, you know, that was enjoyable. So how did your life proceed from growing up there to college to the military to corporate America? I mean, like, what's the overall rundown? Well, you know, I transferred schools by freshman year in high school, because the school, the country school that I was going to, lost its accreditation with the state, which is kind of bad. And we I transferred to this school called San Houston. All right, time for a break. You are listening to me. The great and terrible Joshua P. Warren interviewing my father in law, Charlie Munson, who is close to 80 years old talking about what it has been like to live in Texas for the past 80 years. And you know, I think you know where this is going. Yes, we're gonna, we're gonna get into the Texas good old boy system and see, see what he has to tell us about that. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to strange things on the I heart radio and coast to coast AM paranormal podcast network and I will be back after these important messages. Yeah. Welcome back to strange things on the I heart radio and coast to coast AM paranormal podcast network. I'm your host Joshua P. Warren and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual and it's kind of a special edition of the show. As you know, I don't generally do interviews that often period. But in this particular case, I I'm letting you hear a conversation that I recently had with my father in law, Charlie Munson, who is 78 years old. He was born in rural Texas. He's in Texas right now. And we're talking about his life and whatever he can tell us about what what what he has experienced. Going back for the past, well, let's just say 80 years. So back to the conversation. We I transferred to this school called San Houston. And I really enjoyed myself there. I transferred with a good friend of mine from the central. We he was a guy lived down the street from me. And he went back to the school game discreditation, he went back. And I went ahead and say to San Houston. And I really enjoyed it. I played football there and ran track and blast president and, you know, it was fairly good academically. But the pin from there. I went to Trinity University in San Antonio. I don't I'm not exactly sure how I got a scholarship there, but I did. Which I managed to lose my freshman year with my grades. Yes, and party in two months. And so I went for about three years and I kind of my dropped out and got married and went in the military. I was stationed at the airport space, which is a B 52 C five a which is 747 cargo plane for the military. They overhauled them there. They had a they had a hanger there was one mile intercom and they could park 13 B 52s and that thing by just in one time. But I worked there for about three years and I was since Korea. Kind of got me I really liked the orient that was I really enjoyed that area. Lauren was born in Korea. She was born in if you watch any mash movies, she was and they they talk about the 121st the back hospital that's where she was born. And from there, I got out and I went back back to us and went to work for South West Research Organization and got my degree finally. And then I went to Houston and that's kind of started my career in the engineering construction and that kind of thing. I got my I went overseas for about almost 20 years. I was overseas in Southeast Asia, Middle East, Australia and that kind of thing. So give me a give me a quick list of just some of the countries you visited were off the top of your head. Okay. Well, been to Denmark, I've been I've flown through Germany. I've been to England. I've been to Panama. I've been to Mexico. I've been to Saudi Arabia. I've been to India. I've been to Thailand. I've been to Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines and Australia. And what what is the weirdest thing you've eaten? Burgeoness soup, I guess, I guess people, if you understand what that is, and what is made from it. What is it? It's basically a bird regurgitating. It's like a glue almost. And they use it to when they these swallows or something in Philippines and areas like that make their nets. And they so the people climb up these wheels and pull the nest down and then they boil them and get this food and then make a soup out of it. It's the sweet tasting. It's almost like it's the same thing as honey. I mean, bees regurgitate honey. That's, they sound terrible, but that's what we eat. But this stuff was sweet. It was it was really good. But I, oh, I've eaten curry fish head. That that you have a fish that probably would be the head would be about six or eight inches in circumference. And it would be in a big bowl with a bunch of curry and and okra and some other stuff. And you put it over rice. Just it's amazing how much meat's on the head of a fish. At least the big ones anyway. One of the reasons that you got to travel so much is because you were working in the oil business, right? Yeah, basically oil and chemistry bit chemical business. We were engineering our company called about KBR. And we were, we built engineering. Most of the stuff I did was with offshore platforms and that kind of stuff. Basically, I was I was purchasing manager and that kind of thing for that kind of stuff. That's about manager. So as a man who worked on the inside, how would you in general describe the oil business? I think now it's probably, well, it's very profitable for the oil company. They're tough. They're tough customers. They really are. They're, they're, they're very into your business all the time and they're sitting among you all the time. They, like I said, they're very, they're very profitable. They really go into places that people, you know, sometimes you think that that's really not a good place to go to, but they do that. And they, it's probably one of the, one of the places, one of the kind of businesses that where you are still in the exploration mode, meaning that you're going into places like Papua New Guinea, you're going into places that, you know, like Sudan and, and you're going into, you know, you're going into places that you, in a lot of cases, you put yourself in harm's way. How did you find out that John F. Kennedy had been assassinated? I was sitting in, it was right before lunch and I was sitting in a chemistry class in high school my junior year, which when that happened, I don't think we'd taken a test. We just doing our normal, doing our normal, I think we were in a lab. We had our chemistry classes in labs and I was just, you know, we were all just sitting there and all of a sudden they made an announcement over the intercom, the school intercom saying that he'd been assassinated or that he had been shot. At that time, we only knew that he'd been shot. And did that change the rest of the day? Yeah, everything went real quiet. Everybody was really pretty down about it, you know, it was, we weren't, we weren't, we all thought we'll kind of had our rose-tinted glasses on at that time. We didn't realize people could be so cynical and do that kind of stuff, you know. And so it was, it was kind of depressing for the whole rest of the day and a couple of days after that. But they still gave you homework, didn't they? Oh yeah. Nothing's gonna stop that. That's right. We actually, yeah. So I mean, I mean, obviously, you know, you, you have deep roots in Texas. I mean, have you heard any rumors about what happened to JFK that you can share? Well, just, I mean, recently, they finally, I think admitted that there may have been more than one shooter, you know. I mean, the governor, I think admitted that, I don't know if they did or not, but you know, it was pretty obvious that if you've ever been around guns and you've seen things being shot, it was pretty obvious that he was shot from the front, not the back, at one point where he lost the back of his head, you know, where his wife climbed across the trunk trying to get part of his goal or whatever. That's awful. But I mean, it's pretty obvious that maybe it couldn't have been one shooter, you know, even to people that looked at it even back then, but, you know, the government claimed and did all their investigation, which basically was just a cover up, I think. Yeah. There's still a lot to be revealed about that. Yeah. I don't know why they worry about it at this point. I mean, you know, we're so far removed from that now and, and they could come clean and I don't think there would be a big, any kind of big situation about it. Well, so, you know, the idea is that, you know, there was obviously a good old boy system in Texas. And I mean, obviously, Johnson, his vice president was from Texas and Johnson was involved in a lot of shady dealings, they say. And then, and then, you know, the whole thing went down in Texas where a lot of the military industrial complexes rooted that was trying to ramp up what was happening in Vietnam and all that. So, I mean, do you, do you believe that? Have you, have you seen evidence of some kind of a shady good old boy system in Texas that may have had something to do with that? Okay. I think that is a good spot for us to stop for our break. You know, as I mentioned earlier, I grew up really knowing very little about Texas first hand. And then when I met Lauren, of course, that, that all changed. And I've now spent quite a bit of time in Texas. And I actually did an episode of this podcast, episode 239 of this podcast called Strange Things. And episode 239 is called Here's Who Killed JFK. And this is my opinion, but I think I do a pretty good job of substantiating it. I, you know, I don't even think Charlie has, has listened to that. And I know he's listening to this show. So Charlie, maybe you should go listen to episode 239 of this podcast and we can talk a little bit afterward about what you think. But anyway, when we come back from this break, not only are we going to sort of like see what he thinks about that concept of the good old boy system in Texas and how it may or may not have applied to something like the JFK thing, but also like, what's the conclusion here? I mean, after 80, almost 80 years of life, what ultimately has Charlie learned? It's fascinating. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and coast to coast AM paranormal podcast network. And I will be right back. Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of Strange Things. On the I Heart Radio and coast to coast AM paranormal podcast network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren. And here is the conclusion of my recent conversation with my father-in-law, Charlie Munson, 78 years in Texas, I call it. Here we go. Have you, have you seen evidence of some kind of a shady good old boy system in Texas that may have had something to do with that? It's, it's possible. I think, I mean, I know Johnson was tied in the two guys that formed a company called Brown and Rouge. There was, there was a lot of rumors about Johnson. They basically bought Johnson. You know, I think, you know, there's, there's several areas where I don't know if it was a combination of different people, but I mean, there was, there was speculation about the mafia being involved because he, because his brother, Attorney General was going after the mafia, which basically it helped him get elected. You know, that's rumor I heard or one rumor, you know, Cuban, some Cuban involvement, some mafia involvement, I don't know, some CIA involvement. I mean, we just don't know. I don't know why they won't just tell us what happened with this. But, but, but you don't have any, you've not seen personally any evidence of such a thing. No, no, no. What are your thoughts on the concept of God? Good question. I was raised, I was raised in a very religious family. I kind of stepped away. I stepped away from, I was in a church probably two times a week or three times a week sometimes, almost every week of my life until I was in my late teens. When I was in my late teens, I kind of stepped away from that and I stayed away from it every since. I believe there is some, I mean, it's, it's hard for your mind to think about that I am sitting here and I can see my hand and I can talk to you on the phone. And my, your mind can only go so far and then it stops. We can't, we can't get past the veil, I guess. I think there's something up, you know, something somewhere that's more powerful than what we are. And I do pray that I don't, I don't go to church. I don't, I don't need that institution to believe what I believe. And I, I just, I just, I feel like if there is a God and then it's between he and I and, and nothing else. I don't need anybody in between. I don't need, I don't need to go to church to, to have that, communication, I guess is the best way to put it. I don't need anybody to intervene for me. So you don't, you don't really try to define what it is. It's just a sense that you have, huh? It's a sense that I have. I mean, you know, I, we had to come from somewhere. I mean, but then, but then your mind goes to the fact that if we did, if something is there that is more powerful than us, then what created that? You know, I mean, somebody had to create God, I guess. I don't know. I mean, I don't, I'm not sure. I don't know if we all float away and become part of the ether and, you know, just kind of float around or, or what, you know, I'm not afraid of death or anything. I'm, you know, I'm afraid of how I die. I'm just not afraid of death. I don't, I don't believe in hell. I'm sorry, but I don't, I can't imagine a God that would do that to someone or anybody, no matter how bad they are. So I, I, I believe it, if there's, I think they, whatever it was that, that created us or created this world or created this universe, he put an emotion and that's it. He doesn't put his finger in there and stop this and move that and change this and, you know, stop, stop this from happening. That doesn't happen. It's our choice. You know, we, we make our own misery if we are our, our happiness. We do that ourselves. Charlie Munson, what a great father-in-law. I agree. Thank you, sir, for being on the program. And I agree with your conclusion that you've reached there. And, you know, I'd say, we can all overthink things, but I mean, it's, it's kind of interesting to just stop and pause and accept the simplicity of what's true and what's not. So I just, you know, I'm glad that I was able to bring that conversation to all of you so that we could learn from, from this man's experience. Hmm. I still have some time left though. I still have some time left to fill. I don't know what to do. I was kind of thinking maybe that conversation was going to take up the show, but no, no, there's still I have an idea. All right. All right. Get ready. I haven't done this in a while. See if you can guess what, what, what is about to happen. Okay. You ready? I'm taking off my, my microphone headset and stuff, and I'm going to put it down. All right. Here we go. Okay. How horrible is that? That is the Aztec death whistle. And sometimes I get the funniest emails from people when I, when I play that or when I, or when I blow that, because they say, I was dozing off. I like people like to go to sleep to talk radio and, and that, that kind of wakes them up out of it. You'll ask tech death was, I've never blown it like right into the microphone. Let's see how this sounds. It's actually not nearly as bad when it's close. It's worse when you stand back. Oh, well, I got an email from a guy in Texas and he listened to one of my shows episode 262 of this podcast called strange things ghost writers in the sky. And also it's kind of interesting because it's called ghost writers in the sky and it's called ghost writers in the sky and the strange case of Audrey Munson. As far as we know, there's no relationship between Charlie Munson and my, my in-laws and Audrey Munson. But if you don't know who Audrey Munson is, go back and listen to episode 262 of this podcast. Anyway, I was talking about ghost writers in the sky and this fella, he emailed me and he is in Corpus Christi. His name is Martin. He said, Mr. Warren, my name is Martin. I don't want to give his last name. He says, I live in Corpus Christi, Texas. I'm a cross country truck driver and I took the attached photos back in 2018. I have never let anyone see these photos for fear of being labeled a nut job and losing respect from family and friends. Well, join the club sir. He says, I found your podcast several weeks ago and have been binge listening from episode one. I am currently on episode 75 listening to your fans, send an emails about their experiences and the respect you give these folks is phenomenal and inspiring. I decided to send these pics to you to get your response. I don't know if you'll be able to see what I see. So here goes. If your opinion deems these photos worthy of speaking about or showing them to a broader audience, please use them as you wish. Sincerely, Martin and he gives his phone number as well. He says, these photos were taken just southeast of Amarillo, Texas on US 287. I took them with an iPhone. I don't remember the model number. I remember holding the phone out of the window of my truck. If you need to contact me, blah, blah, blah. Thank you and have a blessed day. And then I see mail and he sent me some pretty crazy looking pictures of of the sky, you know, of like just but see the thing is like I I can't even really do photo analysis anymore because that everything is just it's too complicated now, you know, with with drones and AI. So I but I took his his images and I sent them to Mobius and Mobius. He's he's up on the latest and the greatest and the cutting edge of all that. So we'll let you know if we come up with anything that's this, you know, noteworthy. But thank you for sending those to me. All right. Guess what? I've killed enough time. It is now time for us all to take a deep breath. If you can close your eyes, let us meditate together on making the next week the best week ever for all of us here, my friends, is the good fortune town. That's it for this edition of the show. Follow me at Joshua P Warren. Plus visit Joshua P Warren dot com to sign up for my free newsletter to receive a free instant gift and check out the cool stuff in the Curiosity shop all at Joshua P Warren dot com. I have a fun one lined up for you next time. I promise. So please tell all your friends to subscribe to this show and to always remember the golden rule. Thank you for listening. Thank you for your interest and support. Thank you for staying curious. And I will talk to you again soon. 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