EP: 397 Project Monarch, Montauk & Mind Control: A Psychologist's Journey into SRA with Dr. Robin Perry Braun

They're not even trying to hide him more, you know, Beyonce and what's her husband's name? Jay-Z. Jay-Z, I mean, he wears a shirt that says, do what that will. That's Alistair Crowley's, that's Satan's saying. I mean, they're not hiding this. We shouldn't. The Hollydale is a restaurant in Hollywood where you could go eat human meat. Is real. Go look it up. I'm, you know, these things are real. I mean, you saw Richie the barber, right? He's doing the guy and his gills are showing up on the side of his face. Like, you think he's just making up that's... I mean, seriously, I understand it's hard to believe, but that's when what people ask me like, well, what's it like working with Richie abuse survivors and I go, well, the only thing I can say is I figured out that every movie you've ever seen is true. The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine. Joy to join us. The Smithsonian, and if they found out about Lord Skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right because if one person's right it busts the paradigm. It all goes back to the phone, Jared, and the problem with the modern day church, they had a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop is just pregnant with all kinds of meaty associated with this Mount Herman of the End. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. All right. We're here with Dr. Robin Perry-Bron with their book Thrive. We're going to talk about all sorts of things today. Your holistic practitioner. And we've brought on a lot of people who've been through ritual abuse over the years. People who've actually had their story to tell or people who help people get out of there. I like your energy so far. I like your attitude and I like that you're willing to jump into these... The darker parts of helping people get out of the darkness, I guess, and the things that they've been through. And I think sometimes, like last couple episodes we've been talking about the afterlife and we have Bob Larson talking about extracesm and I think sometimes when people know there's a problem they get initial help but then they need more help to put themselves back together emotionally and kind of figure out what I've been almost fragmented. And I think we're going to talk a lot about the projects today that have been rumored to exist over the years. Things that our government has done to get people in here to use them as science experiments and these abuses that take place and people are like, ah, it doesn't exist or whatever. So we can start wherever you want. Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to Blurri Creatures. Thanks for coming to our basement. What do you thoughts on Bigfoot and then we can go wherever you want. These are the hardest ones because we don't always start. Sure. But there's so much to talk about. So I believe Bigfoot is an inner earth creature. So he's not extra-dimensional. I think he lives in the earth. They live in the earth. And there's portals or doorways or whatever you want to call it where the footprints disappear. And I believe he's a hybrid. So I'm not sure if he's a government project or he was created by, you know, thousands of years ago with some kind of Neffelum DNA experiment. I think clearly where people have the psychic interaction with him, you have to say that's a non-terrestrial or extraterrestrial phenomena to have a psychic communication. Do your patients talk about Bigfoot at all to you? I have one person I know who's had a Bigfoot encounter. But yeah, no, I actually have another one who she communicates with Bigfoot. Oh, Bigfoot, multiple footprints. They seem to be drawn to her. So, yeah, what's an inner earth creature like? Is there really like... So when you really start to go down this pathway, you realize, I mean, I'm sure you've heard about the dums and the deep underground military, all that kind of stuff. And so I kind of am a hollow earth person after doing this for a while. And people who've been trained programmed, not just in military bases, but in lots of things deep down underneath ground. Yeah. So I think there's a whole world down there that has maybe pre-adamic races and pre-flood species and racies and whatever. Things that go bump in the night, Rob. Yeah. And I don't know that they're all nefarious. I think they exist down there and they're pretty much not necessarily all wanting to harm us or interfere with us and they might be a little scared of us. So I'm not that worried about them. That's a heck of a start to the episode. I don't know what a sweet lady comes in and then just starts dropping all this. Well, there's all this crazy stuff that exists down there. But if you're new to the show, this isn't something we had. So we actually talked about. We had Trent on twice who was a multi-PHD reportedly who worked in the dumps up to Alvarino about it a lot. Tim has talked about the dumps and what he calls the dumps state and this idea of these deep underground military bases and left trains underneath spots. Yeah. Well, look at what Muska is doing right now. He's like, building out the left trains and they have under Hollywood now. There's videos of him. It's wild. Yeah, we've probably had 10 episodes on this topic specifically and kind of loosely talked about it. But these are the episodes that kind of ruffle everyone's feathers. Sure. Because these are wild things that people are telling you. Well, you know, I always say the red pill is best taken in small bites and I think that that's the best way to shift your paradigm. It's really overwhelming to have too big of a shock. Most people go back and I'm a psychologist. So most people go back and denial after they, if something's too shocking, which is what we saw with all the alien stuff, right? They just went right back and denial. And so I think we're in a season where and when you guys are a big part of this is people are open to these disclosures, little by little by little. And even in the in the SRA survivor community, it's exploding. These people are coming out of the woodwork. Their memories are coming back in an exponential form and more and more people are getting trained and knowing how to work with these clientele and it's in need. It's a huge need. Can you talk a bit about how just so for everyone listening, so how you, you know, because we're going to get into SRA. This is what is where you are now. But how do you get to where you are, you're a psychologist, but how does it, how do you start in that space and then end up where you're working with satanic ritual abuse victims and and all these projects where to get into, whether it be Montac or Monarch, stuff with free masonry and buddhudal, aluminum and all these things that we've touched on briefly whether it be with Dan Duval or Dr. Schnaubler, whoever, these all sort of are now part of your world, but how do you get there? Well, I think, you know, when I look back at my journey from psychology to nutrition to, you know, holistic energy medicine, it was all very divinely led. It's kind of step by step. I didn't necessarily go wake up one day and go, I want to do this. It didn't exist. And so it's a long story how I got there. I pretty much tell my story in my books. I have a few books I've written. I had this dream in 2008 and I had met a friend at church who worked explicitly with survivors, exclusive with survivors and had some crazy stories. I thought they were fascinating, but so I had this dream and I was part of John Paul Jackson's dream. So we were all trained in dream interpretation, you know, it was kind of a thing. So I have this dream and the basically the gist of the dream was this person gave me a bag of money and I opened it up and I looked at it and I would hand it it back to her and I said, no, thank you. And I knew what the dream meant. I did not want to work with survivors. It's a long haul. It was hard. I had worked in sex addiction for a long time. I didn't see a lot of recovery there. And I was like, can you just have me let me work in something where people get well faster? And so I really resisted over the years, but Jehovah Sneaky kept sneaking those clients in. Unbeknownst to me that were survivors. And so little by little I kind of had to tell and I have some crazy stories, right, of these people that I didn't know. And then their memory start coming back as we peel the layers back, learned along the way, started reading, you know, books like on the Pathie Mortals by Tom Horn and started realizing there is all this nephilim and, you know, alien and all this other stuff that and I've always been a conspiracy theorist. You know, my favorite movie was conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson forever. Like, I didn't know why. Like it's just God's trajectory has been this and I didn't understand it. And around 2021, you know, God brought me this one and I've had several survivors of the years, but a lot of it, I would work with them for a while and then try to get some other help. So I just didn't feel trained in it. And then stupidly I decided to do my PhD dissertation on using the modality I created to help heal people with trauma-based mind control. So thinking, I'll just teach other people how to do it and I won't have to do it myself. Right. Well, that just opened a door and they all kind of started finding me. And I think what shifted for me was seeing that it actually the model I created really did help people heal faster. And I think part of my objection was I just, I'm not a handholder. I don't know that I can work with someone for 15 years and not see results. And just didn't feel very confident. But as I started seeing my authority grow and my prayers and reading more and studying more, you know, God just kept bringing them. But one of the things that happened, and this is a significant part of what I want to share today, is in August of 2022, the Lord really said, will you surrender to working with this population? And I work with other people too. It's not my only population. And I finally said yes. And at that point I'd had several survivors I'd work with and they had done my training. And I was seeing them really progress. And my thought was, you know, this kind of, I love what the after life guy, the near death experience said about the whole view of your life is how much did you love, right? Because John Paul Jackson had an encounter with God 20, 30 years ago. And that always stuck with me that he went to heaven and God asked him, how much did you love? So I've kind of always had that at the end of the day. It's all about love. It's all about love. And so I kind of saw these people as, you know, Jesus leaving the 99 going after the one. And I've broken, traumatized, beat up people. And they're not going to really ever do anything. They're just going to barely make it. And that was kind of my mindset. But this idea that Jesus loves them so much that he would leave the 99 for them. And so I said yes. And shortly into it, I realized God gave me a whole different paradigm. He goes, no, no, no, you missed it. He goes, the enemy has spent their whole life, these people's whole life training them to be super soldiers for a new world order in time programming. And then God, the author of plot twist, right? The master of plot twist said, thank you. I'll take it from here. They wake up to their story. They all have parts and alters that know Jesus. And so they go look for help. And when they get cleaned up and I'll share some of these stories today, they have a authority in the spirit realm to take down realms and structures and dimensions and free thousands of parts and alters. Like, they are why we're seeing, in my opinion, we're seeing this veil being lifted off of all this darkness is because they're the ones who are doing the prayer work up in the heavenlies to bring those veils down. And so they are truly God's super soldiers now. And it's a really cool, it's a really culinary to be a part of their process to see him get there. And then when you see the normal people on the, you wouldn't know any difference. You know, on the street. You hear the word dog man on the show, Luke, you think something completely different than what we're about to talk to you about? No, we're talking about dog owners out there, man's best friend. And if he's slowing down, if he's starting to itch, if he's got bad breath, if he's losing interest in playtime, what do you do, Luke? Well, we found is that for my two dogs is rough greens. They love the taste of it. It's an addition to their food. It's not a food replacement. It's a supplement. It's long term health by providing live bioavailable nutrients, including essential vitamins, minerals, probiotics, digestive enzymes, and omega oils. And it has been a game changer for our two dogs. Our two dogs are older. And it's more pep in the step. It's got anti-inflammatory compounds that help reduce stress, support immune system. And it really slows the age decline as far as we've seen. 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How do you, how do you sort of take your patients and some of our listeners into a place where they're willing to understand the complexity of these realms and entities and how to begin to heal? Because most people, when they feel like their paradigm is being challenged, they'll either shut off the, shut off podcasts. They'll call someone a name. They'll have a sneaker reaction. And I think that a big part of what we've done over the years is just, you know, people will say things in an interview that I'm like, I don't know. Let's keep talking because I'm not sure right now. Even in the middle of an hour long session, or it's like, okay, I have to make room for that probably because maybe that's true or, but I don't know. It takes a long time for your brain to be able to get hit with those kinds of darts. Well, I think one you have volume, right? You've had books written about Montauk. Montauk was a thing. It's a fact. You know, stranger things was loosely based on Montauk. A lot of truth in that. So there's lots of books written on Montauk. There's enough Montauk survivors who can give you detailed memories apart from ever having read anyone else's story. So just like the way you guys do it, it's empirical investigation, right? There's tons and tons of books written by survivors and accounts and stories. And just like alien abductees, you at some point you have to go, too many people have had the same experience that you have to start giving validity to this. And, you know, a big part of this podcast is the Nephilim. And I mean, look at the Old Testament. There was a small group of Hebrews. Everybody else was sacrificing their babies to some awful, terrible God. Yeah. Right? So human sacrifice, drinking of blood, eating of cannibalism, none of that is new. We just thought it went away because we got civilized. I'm like, no, Lucifer still demands the same payment, the same currency. But you hear those things, right? Like the, like sort of the ritualist except that people talk about at a Hollywood, for example, the one that comes to mind, right, is these blood drinking and they call mock cannibalism with that smock or not. Right. But a bruh of it, yeah. Yeah, I want to start though with what you just said. So super soldiers, right? My thought, and we talked about this pre-roll is, you know, rest is our worth this book about this. But through your experiences in research, how is Satanic ritual abuse and the occult attempting to build super soldiers? Is it through these projects? Is that? Yeah. So one of the things that's really important to understand is bloodlines. Okay. So illuminati bloodlines. So I deal with a lot of generational inequity. It's a big part of my process. And one of the things the church really has not valued is understanding that we have legal ground and open doors. I mean, the whole free masonry thing, I would say the biggest ill in America is the generational results of so much free masonry here. It's addiction, depression, anxiety, sexual abuse, incest. It all comes down from free masonry. And so when you start to understand how the DNA is actually, and I'm obviously a quantum person too. So if you understand the DNA is actually energy, it's actually a frequency. Our whole body is made up of frequencies. And so it's a storage. It's a super-confutor for your ancestry. And Satan is about legalities. It's about legal ground. We call open doors legal ground. And so part of what the illuminati, why they inbreed, but they abuse their own. They killed the throwways. They abuse their own. They reprogram. They retrain. They're in this program, and this mindset of this is our life. They torture their own children because they're reproducing the next generation of themselves. And so the belief is, and this is why we use the word monarch, why they pick the monarch butterfly is the monarch mother will fly somewhere far away, give birth to her babies, leave them. They'll grow up, cookoon, become a butterfly. They'll fly back home. They have in their DNA, they know where home is. So our DNA has this blueprint of everything in our ancestry. So iniquity, piled upon piled, you know, the illuminati understand, they have to mount up a niquity in the bloodline in the DNA to gain great power, dark power. And so all these people in these projects, they're not randomly chosen off the streets. They all have illuminati bloodline. They all have their third eye was opened by their ancestor. They have psychic gifts and psychic powers. They're born with it. They don't necessarily know they're from an illuminati bloodline or their parents. Some of them are born into already, you know, they're in SRA families and that's part of it. A lot of them have illuminati bloodlines and they just happen to be, the parent just happens to be a CIA or a military and they're on a military base already and so they get used and picked. None of it is random. These people are picked for these projects because it's in their bloodline, it's in their DNA. And what is project monarch? Well, monarch is really the, one of the first names of what we would then call MK Ultra, it's this idea of mind control programming. It's kind of an overarching umbrella term and one of their earlier names, you know, Mangleist art as experiments in Nazi Germany. Operation paperclip was where we brought all the Nazi scientists that Mangle had taught on how to do all this trauma based mind control to the US. They began to work all that fast forward. I think maybe Laura Sangha talked about the Hitler project a little bit on here. So I believe Montauk was then an extension of the Hitler project where they took Camp Hero out in Montauk, Long Island and they built all the tech there and that's where they had, you know, 12 layers of underground bases of, and there's a lot of Montauk survivors who've written books and told stories about what it was like and it's pretty crazy. So we're looking at like sort of a building out like a hierarchy you have sort of this illuminati sort of, oh, is that over the top of this? The project monarch becomes a umbrella by which you have MK Ultra, Montauk and a number of other trauma based mind control programs. We're going by the CIA. We know that MK Ultra, especially that one. Yeah, they were all government dark ops, right? But they were so every so one of the things I find is that, you know, people will come and their first memories will be kind of maybe satanic ritual abuse and dark stuff. The most of the government stuff is what we call Delta programming, meaning they're in a deeper brainwave state. It's not the first thing they remember. It's usually after you peel back some layers, they start having memories of what we would call underground military bases being strapped down, electroshocked. Some of these other things I can talk about that are some of my clients and then obviously some other stories too. You know, Montauk in particular was this very overarching project and the overall goal was everything's about in times new world order, but it's also super soldier, right? Hey, if Russia's doing it, we better be doing it too. If you look at the mentoring candidate, you look at the born identity, right, where they did assassin programming. Okay, so ultimately a lot of it is building out assassins or superstitious. Two-letter too, yeah. Let's do it. Derek Zuliner was a trend. Well, I think it's interesting. It's like the government knows that these ancient occult things were happening. They kind of do it in more a scientific way. Well, and what you're going to find is that it's emerging, right? We go back to Jack Parsons, Elastor Crowley and Babylon Rising, where their opening portals are starting to do all this. Montauk, you're dealing with overall, survivors will say they saw reptilians there. They saw many species of aliens there. Mengele was there. Scientists and lab coats were there. So they're all working together, not necessarily in unity, but they all have a role to play. And those are reports from multiple survivors of what they saw and experienced. Ultimately, there's two things that Montauk was about was fully developing, being able to operate in full potential of your brain. They only use 10% of our brain. So it's high-level developing psychic gifts, like remote viewing and psychic assassination and telekinesis and telepyrokinesis and teleportation, all being able to use the mind to do all that and psychic communication. And then you had looking glass, which was a device that they believe came from alien technology, where, like I said, I like to reference movies to kind of give people a baseline. I was like in the movie Paycheck, where Ben Affleck, reverse engineers, this device, where they can look into the future about possibilities. And so one of the cool stories, which I always like to share with them to stories, is supposedly around 2012, 13, the deep state using looking glass, went in and they found out that no matter what happened after this certain time, they couldn't win. They were going to lose. So there was no possible future trajectory where they were going to win. And so that's good news, right? Like they don't get to win. So looking glass, but then also a big part of Montauk is creating wormholes for traveling to Mars. I know that's crazy, but all of this is crazy. But then when you see story, after story, after story of time travel, travel from here to there instantaneously, time travel, several reports of children being sent back to the time of Jesus. And they couldn't kill them. They just, they were sassons and they fell in love with them. And so then they sent them back to try to get some blood from the cross because they wanted to try to clone Jesus. I know this stuff's crazy. You know, many of the stories on blurry creatures are frightening. And I think for some people out there, they don't ever connect that close to home. But there's a woman out there who may have soon recently become pregnant and the fear takes over. And her first pregnancy, she doesn't know what to do. 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And the government is sort of the, you know, kind of down the line to sort of they have the assets and they have the funding to sort of almost manufacture some of these things or test them. But above that, there are these sort of satanic groups that are really running them. And I think a lot of people say, well, anything else outside of that is sort of a demonic deception. It doesn't exist. Right. Is sort of the open-minded Christians, like critique of a lot of the things you're talking about. Well, if that sounds so wild and fantastic, it can exist. So it must be some demonic thing when we've kind of relegated a lot of that into its own camp of, yeah, there are these spirits. They do a press and attack people. But there's also all this other stuff too. For whatever reason, I mean, I know that we're sitting down and we're talking going 100 miles an hour and a lot of people listening just don't have, they haven't interviewed people. They haven't worked with patients. Right. So they don't know what we're talking about really. A lot of this is what people are telling you. When you're, can you explain sort of how you get these stories told to you? Sure. And what happens so that people that are listening can go, okay, that makes a little more sense. Yeah. As well and say, can you, when you, when you share that, can you tell us why you think we can trust it? Because I think what, there's a lot of people that will hear this kind of stuff and they automatically shut off like Nate said, they have a visceral reaction to this and they say, that's the reason real. We've had, we've had an episode we had Joff in the woods. We've talked with Dan Duval. We've talked, these become very controversial on our, on our page, because people don't believe it. They just like, this is, this doesn't happen. These people are, are imagining or they're, they're being sort of led to believe that these fantasies are, are actual memories. But you walk in this so, Nate said, like, how do you, how do you listen to these stories? And then why do you think you can trust it? Why do you think you can believe it? Well, again, I do a lot of empirical research. So a couple answers your question. I just asked people to go read stories, go read books, go read stories. You know, Kathy O'Brien was a presidential sex slave. She got, she got 2,000 pages of paperwork in her books. Like there is tons. She's coming in next month. All right. Yeah, there's tons and tons of data and evidence, right? Like these are people who can back up their experience with data. So you, you, I don't talk about, not everybody knows I do this, right? Because it's dark. And it's like, if your world is never going to merge with my world, like what, let's talk about happy. My whole brand is peace and joy. It's pivoting everything to redemption, peace and joy. So if it's just going to put you into spare and my thing is, hey, let's find the problem, but there's always a solution. You know, God's doing something in the midst of this. You can bury your head in the sand, but it might not work out for you so well in the long run to, you know, ignore things that are in our world that are making a sick and depressed. So that's one answer is, I don't need to convince anybody. And secondly, there's people listening to this and it's pinging them because they have some weird memories from the childhood that don't fit in with their, their screen narrative. Everybody's got a screen story. A lot of people's memories don't come back till their late 30s or 40s. And all of a sudden they start having weird nightmares. Like the average person doesn't just dream about being in the middle of a forest surrounded by people in black hoodies, sacrificing children. You know, you just don't have those kind of dreams normally. Or you know, people wake up in the middle of the night and there's a nine foot reptilian standing in your room and you can feel as presence. Like if you've had any of these experiences, then this is believable for the people who are listening who haven't. Great. And I think again, back to the Illuminati, I don't have an Illuminati bloodline. I don't have a lot of personal demonic experiences. You know, little season where you wake up and you eagle and name a Jesus because you feel like you're, that's about it, which is why I'm not super afraid of this because it doesn't ping me. I wasn't sexually abused. I don't have that trauma. I don't know why God picked me for this. Right. And part of it as I believe I have a clean bloodline. So I'm not highly targeted. I've done a lot of personal work on closing legal grounds. So I don't get a lot of backlash. A lot of ministers won't touch this because it's brutal. It's the other thing is. These people are being targeted. It's like if this isn't real, then why are you, why is there so much attack and warfare and satanic demonic stuff that always happening in these people's lives? So I think that a lot of the people who this is just so weird, you probably don't see any of either one. There's a big strong denial thing there or two. It's just not going to touch your life because you're not from one of those bloodlines. I don't care about you. You know, if it's ancient times and you're looking good, maybe you have a coat of many colors back on the Bible times. Where would you get one today, Luke? Well, unless you're Bigfoot and you grow your own cashmere sweater, Quinn's is the place that got everyday essentials that we love with quality that last, I'm actually wearing a Quinn shirt right now. Let's look at these things. I've survived a number of washes. They don't shrink. It's premium, premium material. They've got light cashmere sweaters, short sleeve Mongolian cashmere polos, linen bottoms and shorts. 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And I remember too that like this is trauma based, right? So we know scientifically that when people experience trauma, especially severe trauma, they compartmentalize and these things, these people will talk about blacking out and not remembering things, right? So there's a lot of data predication for the effects of trauma upon our memories in our brain. So just to put that out there for folks, because it does sound fantastical. Oh my God. Dissociative identity disorder is on the DSM 5. It's a thing. And so dissociating versus having full blown alter personalities, we can prove that. We have enough data. Well how do those personalities get created to be so extreme? There had to be severe trauma. Sometimes it's sexual abuse or incest, but when it's really extreme, you're going to find something deeper and darker that caused it, that created it. So people have memories come back. That's one of the ways. One thing is an abri action. So an abri action is where you suddenly are feeling electro shocked in your body for no particular reason, because your memory of being electro shocked comes back. Or people are curling up in the floor in a fetal position and sobbing like they're three years old. Like these aren't normal behaviors, but your body stores that trauma, which is another reason holistic therapy is good because we are looking at the body memories. The body stores your trauma memories. And so when you start dealing in this world, there's tons and tons and tons of science behind everything I'm saying. It sounds so absurd and crazy if you've never heard it. But once again, you start taking those red pills in small bites. It just becomes a fully understandable world. So movies, the real primal fears, when I think of right away, right, I think it's a great, I want to add Norton's phenomenal actor. I love Edward Norton's movies. This movie he's sexually abused by a priest and he has this alter ego, which in this alter ego murders the priest. And this whole movie is about, he goes on the severe trauma as an alter boy and but he has this, there's two people in there, right? And this is a picture of that. But just as you talk about movies, that reference for me is like this is when people go through severe trauma, especially at a young age, they, they create this other front to deal with or to compartmentalize or even in split, right? Where he has altars that are female, that's normal, common. And he has one that shapes shifts into a hyper strength, you know, that stuff is kind of real. You can have hyper strength, super soldier program. I mean, as you can have an alter apart that is super human strength. I mean, these are some crazy things. But people don't deal with that. Yeah, that's the goal, right? Is it the goal with these projects is to sort of create these vessels, like these people that are trauma-based, controlled vessels you can activate at some point? Yes. And really what the Black Away, you know, Rustiz Dars was about at some point, you have all these sleepers, they're going to be activated. And I believe what's happening in the world today is stopping that from happening that a lot of these survivors waking up to their story are able to help free and rescue other survivors with who are, it's kind of hard to explain if we get a chance to talk about it. Can we talk about that? Because obviously, like, this is like what most people's childhood was. Right. You know, playing board games and video games. How do kids get selected for these programs? How do they get sort of trafficked into these arenas that are like normal people later on in life and being like, whoa, I had this weird, because some people like, I didn't know anybody that had anything like that. Well, you didn't know that you knew somebody. Right. Yeah. And so again, most of it is in the family. So your parents are Satanists. And so they start programming you in the womb. They start traumatizing you in the womb, causing splits in the womb. How do you do that? It's very methodology, like, or shock, like, or shock on the room, drugs, traumatizing the mother. So they have a lot, they have, you know, Mengele was a smart guy. I mean, these are like 500 MIT level scientists creating this type of stuff. And so they start young and the big part of the programming is to forget, you know, they create amnesiac parts. And when you understand survival, like, we cannot be in a constant state of trauma and survive. Our body can't grow. We don't have enough energy for ourselves to replicate. So let's say a child was sexually abused by their father every night. So essentially what would happen is 11.59, that little girl switches into this alter personality. Dad comes in the room, sexually abuses her. She switches back, wakes up in the morning, has no recollection of it happening. That's not demonic. That's survival. That's how our brain is designed to cope with severe trauma. That's not necessarily satanic ritual abuse. That could happen to anybody just in an incest family, which I believe 100% of the time comes down from free masonry, which is occult. Those types of things, almost all my clients don't just have all their memories come back at once. They remember something we work through and another layer comes up, another layer comes up. They're a journal and they're journaling. They spend time with God. God's gracious. He doesn't let the memories flood. And one of the reasons a lot of people don't have their memories is they don't have the bandwidth to deal with it yet. The parts or altars are keeping those memories encapsulated because their life is too stressful. So as we heal the body and the soul, they have more bandwidth to go back and deal with these repressed memories or the parts to come forward. And like I said, some people think their life was pretty normal. And I'll give you one example. And I'm obviously not going to use any names, but here's a woman who's very anointed. She's had an interhealing ministry for 20 years. She's in her early 40s. She reached out to me a couple years ago and her memories started coming back. But one of her conscious, a couple of her conscious memories was she was in the hospital all the time. So that's not normal. And so sometimes there's these, this doesn't connect to this or my mother doesn't remember taking me to the hospital. And then one of her other memories was I think is interesting. As her grandmother was a college professor and so college professors don't make a lot of money. So her grandmother flies her to England on a trip. She's like eight. They stayed at a hotel and she remembers that King Charles stayed at that hotel. So must have been a nice hotel. And then the next day they go to this castle and somebody walks in. Castles are big places of illuminati and ritual abuse and things. So this guy comes out and greets the grandmother and by name and says, oh, this must be your granddaughter you've told us about. And so that's all weird. And then she remembers nothing after that. Next thing she remembers, she wakes up in her bed in the hotel. Those memories stick with people. They have some amount of conscious memory that they can't reconcile and they just go, I don't know. It makes sense. As they start to wake up to their story and learn about SRA, about illuminati, about all this stuff, these weird little snapshots of their childhood that never made sense to them suddenly fit into this puzzle piece of making sense. And why was I sick all the time or why was my dad always doing this or you know, things like that. They just start to come back little by little. So like eventually you get to an age where when you're younger, splitting and protecting your brain helps you survive. But then you get to an age where it's a problem. Absolutely. You start to realize like I can't, I can't function in relationships. I, you know, I can't parent very well or I have these like reactions to things. Yeah. And they don't remember them. Yeah. Everybody's, yeah, said I screamed at them and I don't remember screaming. Right. Yeah. Evidence that something's wrong, but you don't know what's wrong. You know, the doctor, they get diagnosed with bipolar or something else when they're switching personalities. This doesn't sound like it's not unlike, sort of the alien abduction phenomena where we talk about Mac and some of these other clinicians that did these, these, his stories. And there's always people want to want to try to talk about, it's under hypnosis or they have these screen memories, memory recall, we've talked a lot with Timothy Alburino about his euphology research and the induction phenomena, but it sounds very familiar like there's the same, and the same goal. Yeah. Yeah. Those connected. Yeah. So I, one of the, I believe one of the alien abduction things is to get DNA is to get eggs. They do a lot of hybridization work with human DNA with animal DNA. You know, I believe a lot of the shapeshifting phenomena is if you infuse enough wolf DNA into a human, they believe with some magic and infusing the DNA there, they can develop a shapeshifting thing, but it's also going to have generational inequity. Also like skin walkers. So there's skin walkers. Yeah. So you have this, you know, you have kind of the Indian folklore with shapeshifting and then you have the more SRA, you know, thing, but there's quantum science behind all this. When you really understand we're made up of atoms and atoms are energy and we're really just holograms, but because it's in motion, you can't go through it. And you have these brilliant people who weigh, you know, there's so much technology that we've only seen. And you know, we're about 60 or 80 years behind a lot of the technology that they've developed and they have for their personal use. But a lot of it is just really understanding the quantum phenomena. But it's, they're all kind of doing the same things, whether it's, you know, human beings, human on human crime. Right. Or like you said, these things underground that are all meeting together with the various goals and it's all different types of you said aliens, and Italians, and humans working together for what? I mean, who's, what's the ultimate? So if you think about Illuminati, New World Order, right? Your 13 families, they were on the world. You look at world economic forum, builder burger group, you know, NATO, not NATO, but who? You're the who and the other one that we all belong to. World Bank. And the one that's supposed to be the global peacekeepers. Oh, yeah. We're talking about, I was saying the who and you're like, no, I know the world health organization. That who? Who again? Who's on first. United Nations. United Nations. Yeah. So you basically have the global powers at the top of all these. And so one of the things, and again, this is a whole of the rabbet trail, but what they do in the occult is that they program you to have a job. Some of your job, some people's jobs is to become famous ministers or pastors. I can tell you some of those stories, people whose parents were mega church leaders and they were richly abusing them. Wow. Got a few of those. Well, where are you going to do the most damage? Right? So the duplicity is, but in Kathy O'Brien, we'll speak into this. They place them so that it's not everybody, right? But you try to go up the chain of command to get something done and you've got a programmed person who may not even know their programmed. They may not know they have multiple personalities. They're just somewhere in that chain of command and they, they cobaugh the process so it never gets executed. And that's a part of what we see so much in our politics today. We talk about all this stuff. Nothing's ever done or executed because you have these well placed people in the government structures that are able to pull strings so they still in control. So have a global screen? Yeah. What was that? That movie departed with the Caprio? Oh, that's a great movie. When he, it's like the undercover, they swap places. You have the undercover cop and then you have the guy, the criminal that becomes the cop and it's this war. But it seems like that's what they kind of do, right? It is a lot of it. Yeah. There's a lot of infiltration to all these groups. And all these groups, we get the discrepanied emails from all these groups whenever. Sure. You know, because all these different people listen to our show, the Mason's Listen to Our Show, the Mormons Listen to Our Show, Catholics Listen to Our Show. And whenever we touch one of these subjects, inherently, it's hard for them, I think, to go, oh, yeah, this group I'm a part of has been infiltrated. Yeah. Doesn't mean that the entire group is like the church. Yeah. Sure. And the church. Yeah. And we, I know people, oh, you guys always rail against the church. I'm like, yeah, because this right here, because doesn't mean that we disassociate ourselves from the church. Well, and here's what people want to understand is that I always get, you know, your day personality is this anointed pastor who loves God, getting people saved, preaching the gospel. And then I say, you know, after midnight, they put the hoodie on the dark, the black hoodie. Yeah. And they, one doesn't know the other. That's how dissociated and amnesia. So they don't even know they're doing it. They don't. It's terrifying. And so we can love both of them. Jesus loves both of them. Jesus desperately wants that hoodie guy to know Jesus. And so, you know, the mercy and grace of God for these people, they're, they've just, they've been pro mind control. And let me give you, we call it a double bind. A double bind is a loose loose situation. And they're the master of tormenting. So, and I'm just going to give you one. There's a gazillion. And the Jesuits are probably the biggest masters at double binds. But so you're three years old, four years old, five years old, you're in a ritual. They stick a knife in your hand and they go, and I know this is graphic. You can cut this out if you want, but it's graphic. They go, either you stab the baby or we're going to kill your mom. So you're going to have to choose. And so you were, you know, a lot of these survivors, they resist and they resist. But eventually, and then once you stab the baby, they go see your evil too. You can never go out and exist in the real world because you're evil. You'll have to stay with us. Like, they are masters. And mind control. Like children in the woods. I was like this story. It's so hard to be in dad and hearing about kids and abuse. It's like. And by the time they're 10, 11, 12 years old, and they're having to do marriage ceremonies to Lucifer and make goes and bows to gods and goddesses. And so then they all have part, their parts carried demons and demonic power. One of the things I found that's interesting with them is I'm working with survivors. They'll all have witch altars or cult altars. And one of the things I find, I'll give you an example, this one guy who's a strong believer, strong minister. And so we were doing some work. And he had a 12 year old witch altar. And he wasn't willing to give up the witch altar because they kept killing his animals. And so the witch altar, he kept because he believed that that personality could protect them from killing his animals. And so they really have to understand. There has to be this revelation of, hey, one, as long as I agree with witchcraft, that's an open door for them to continue to infiltrate me and affect me. But I also have to give this up and trust Jesus. Well, they've all been programmed from an early age that Jesus is bad or less powerful than Lucifer. So it's not an easy process. And it's very, very, these are wonderful human beings who've had tremendous amount of torment and torture. And all the ones that I have who are my clients, they have incredible anointings to heal, to get people set free. These are God's super soldiers now. They're doing amazing things in the kingdom once they're freed because I believe in the principle and there's some scripture to back this up. I think one's first Peter 5, that anything we've gone through where we've been tortured, tormented. On the other side of it, God now gives us the authority in that very realm. The things we've suffered we then are used in those areas. Most people in alternative medicine were sick and the medical community didn't get them well. So they became alternative practitioners. And they go on a mission to help everybody. Yeah. Yeah. You get well. And so that's what we see with these people is they are truly changing the world once they're on the other side of their open doors and their mixture infiltration. How do you start as a practitioner? How do you start getting people free? Because I know that there's a lot of different schools of thought. We've talked, there's deliverance. We've talked with exorcists from the Catholic Church, exorcists from the Protestant side. And then we've also talked to like for an Audrey who do trauma based, they do a lot of, sounds like a lot like we do. Yeah, I think the first time we talked about this was with Doug Riggs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have an interesting direct story. Yeah. Yeah. But that was the beginning of like, oh man, this rabbit hole, we, we, we, yeah, big foot was nothing. Yeah. This rabbit hole goes real, real deep. Okay. Can I tell a quick, Doug? Yeah. Okay. This was 2015. This was one of my first survivors. I have this couple come in and he's got early stages Alzheimer's. So we're doing my work. I'll explain my modality in a minute. And that's how we get to there. And so one of the first things the mom has said is, oh, our daughter is off at some ministry somewhere and she's accused her dad of sexually abusing her. I'm like, okay, like not my issue, like set it aside. Couple of sessions go by and the mom comes in with eyes as big as saucers. She goes, I got this email and it was from Doug Riggs. And again, I'm not going to mention names, but the daughter, he said, she's doing great. You know, we've spent over 200 hours integrating personalities. Her dad is a high level luminaughty figure. She was a Hitler project. Now this was early on when we were just figuring out what this was. And our dad's a high level luminaughty figure. And the wife is just looking at me like, what? She goes, I went to this guy's website. It was really weird. And I'm reading that. I'm like, Jehovah Sneaky, right? And I said, well, I didn't know who Doug was at the time. I said, so does his website say anything like monarch or MKL train? She goes, yes. And I went, now I had just read on the path of the Immortals by Tom Horn. So spacecraft, you know, if you guys read the book, he's talking about all the Machu Pichu and the pyramids and tying it all together, the petroglyphs and Nevada, like how it's all tied together. So I was like, okay, I said, well, either your husband's an occultist and he's part of the occult and he's got multiple personalities or there's some other explanation. He had never been in daycare or anything where she could have been abused. So I said, let me talk to Doug and I'll get back to you. This was around Christmas time. And so I reached out to Doug and I said, hey, your client, her parents are my clients. Now this is like a sweet little Baptist couple who work in the missions in the Baptist Church. So Doug calls me and he says, well, the mom is just a dissociative. The dad is definitely occult involved. He is not her biological father. She's a Hilla project, which is basically a Petri dish baby of all of the Illuminati bloodlines poured into one bloodline. And so she was designed to be essentially, Hilla project is creating potential mothers of the Antichrist, right? And a lot longer story that is. This is what Doug is saying. This is Doug telling me this. So he says, a matter of fact, she kind of sneaked out a couple weeks ago and went to a ritual and she saw her dad there and I'm like, okay, hold up. They live in Texas, you're in New York. So this guy goes to bed with his wife, gets up in the middle of the night, hops on a plane, flies to New York, puts on a black hoodie, goes to his ritual, hops on a plane, flies back to Texas, gets in bed, he goes, well, not exactly. So which part was not exactly? And he goes, the airplane, I said, so he gets up in the middle of the night, space craft comes and picks him up, goes to New York, takes place of, I said, he's not astraling there, right? It's not an astral, he goes, no, he was there in person. I said, okay, gets on a space craft, comes back to Dallas or area, you know, he wasn't in Dallas, but it's in the Texas area and gets back in bed. He goes, yeah, so I just read this book so I was like, okay, so I'm like, well, so how long does it take to get from Texas to New York? He said about 15 minutes. Geez. So that was my, so then I'm like, God, I really don't want to work. Is this government or is this entity? Yeah, sorry, yeah, this is pretty, well, Hitler project, just government, space craft. Is that a government? I don't know. I don't know. It's all, they're all in bed together, right? Yeah, but I mean, the origins are. Yeah, but if she was Hitler project, then it was, so there's still satanists and their government infiltrated, they kind of all blend together at some point. If it's straight witchcraft, they're using on government. Almost everybody else is going to be some level of government programming. So anyway, so I was like, that's like, but that's you're talking about like deep state, like dark, like black project. Yeah, like I don't know who owns, I don't know who owns the space craft. Right. If governments want to be in control, then they're going to want to be with the people who have the most influence. Right. And obviously this, they're going to have to get in bed with these people eventually. Right. And then figure out a way to sort of write it off as a government project. Right. And really it's just a cold, cold practices. Yes. That's just the funding money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you have understanding that we need the witchcraft and the magic part of it for power. Yeah. Right. And the technology of how to create wormholes. So honestly, time travel is a fairly simple quantum principle, believe it or not. And it's, if you can find the exact frequency of another point in time and space and match it, you can create a wormhole. I understand. Rosenberg. Yeah. And so they've been able to do it for a very long time. And so it's just a matter of how do you then deal with that in our reality. So you think stuff's coming back from the future to our, to now. So I, Through you lose some news. Again, and I listen to, I listen to a lot of hot cast with super shoulders and stuff. These are all my clients, but I have clients who've done time travel and been brought on projects. And so some of it is like, say, we call it save the world programming. Like you're going to serve your country, just like military. And you're going to save the world from some disaster by traveling into the future and stopping it from happening. So you have what you would call good projects and bad projects, right? You have assassin projects, but most government assassins feel like they're killing bad guys, right? So they still believe they're doing something good. It's all part of the mind control programming. It's not God's timeline, but. What's also going to ask, like, how does God's sovereignty plan to that? Because if you're able to like manipulate space time in this scenario, like, how do you, you know, how does God, how does God's sovereignty plan to? Well, so here's my, here's my belief, theologically. And I do a lot of stuff on sonship, right? The metaphor I give is God is the CEO of the company and he says, okay, kids, I'm going to let you run the company. You can run it into the ground or you can make it successful. If you need help, come ask me for help, but I'm not going to intervene. Now at the end of the day, I don't believe the enemy can override God's timelines. He has sovereign things that are in our scrolls or in our destiny. They're in the bigger picture, but in the duken it out down here. We're playing, we're the ones playing the chess game with each other. And he, you know, let's it happen. You know, Jesus said three times the Lord of this world, right? Our world is we're governed by kingdom, but the world is pretty much given over to, you know, not our father's control. Darkness. Yeah. And so, you know, we find light, we lean to light, we bring light, we're supposed to be salt and light, we're supposed to be kingdom delivers, we're supposed to have these gifts in this authority, we walk in this realm, but the realm itself is not yet. Fallen, it's broken. It's broken, right? Yeah. And so really, man is frail. Like a lot of these pastors who are falling right now, this is my opinion. I've said this for years is that the church is made gifting and charisma more important than healing, mental, emotional health and character. So we put these people in places because they have a healing, anointing or whatever. And then they end up falling because men don't make good gods. You start adulating a man. It's not a good system. It's not the system Jesus designed. It's a Babylonian, become a Babylonian system. It's a straight, yes, trappings of celebrity. Yeah. Yeah. And we're all, but by the grace of God, they're going, well, I'm capable of this. Yeah. But really pressing in to have that deep healing of your identity to where you don't need the celebrity, you don't need the fame, you're not performance driven. You know, my more recent book, Living Like a Sun, is really a lot about that. Is really about, hey, this is who Jesus is raising up his sons and sons don't have to be seen. They don't have to be famous. They don't have to have a big following. And that's who's going to shift. And some of these super soldiers, you know, who've defected, they're never going to be seen or known. No matter, in fact, they got to stay safe. One of the reasons I don't go names and, you know, I know a lot of these people are going these podcasts, they get hammered spiritually after telling their story. They're taking a huge risk. They're exposing the darkness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we get a fair amount of, of, yeah, of fire. Well, I mean, it's, I think it's interesting for us because we're kind of asking the questions. So they go after the guest or they go after the person who, who says it. And I think, now I was telling Luke yesterday, I was like, you know, I think one of the reasons we love the story of Batman so much is because he's there to help. He's there to like save, but he almost, he's almost a little insane. He's because he's so close to what his trauma was, what he went through, the darkness he has. Yeah. And it's almost like, you know, that the whole line, you know, it's guy, the hero, or become the villain of eventually, right? And so these pastors, that's what's happening is they start out. The hero and then slowly they, they get too close to the celebrity and then they get burned by it. But, but also working with victims and stuff, you have to keep yourself, we're doing 50 years of exorcisms. You don't think that's going to mess with you when you're dealing with demons day in and day out. Yeah. What's that going to do to you psychologically when you're, when your, your work is to fight the darkness on a daily basis? How do you stay grounded? How do you come back to the source? How do you understand what you're doing? How do you know? That's a good question. I think I did a lot of my own healing for 30 years before I ever tackled this. I know God's presence so intimately. I know He's good. I know He's powerful. I know Jesus is good and He's real. I think for a lot of the survivors, you know, they have that, why did God let this happen? Yeah. And I'm like, well, God gave your parents authority over you. They're the ones that let it happen. But there's so many cool stories too where Jesus did intervene or He showed up and comforted them. And I think the best answer, which is not a good answer, but it's the best answer that most is somewhere in heaven, in their pre-adamic existence, they said, yes, to this assignment. And so they, they know the end of their scroll. They don't know it here in this timeline. But somewhere up there when God said, would you be willing to go into this existence and do this trauma knowing that somehow it's going to bring this outcome down the road? And they said, yes. And so there's no easy answer to go, why did this happen to me? And it's, I mean, I can't even begin to tell you how graphic the trauma and brutal it is. But it's such a gift to not remember. But then when Jesus really heals the memories, they almost seem like a story you're reading on a book with no empathy. They don't remember the pains gone, the pains detached from the event. So I mean, I can be a little desensitized because I've done it so long. But part of the desensitization, as I've seen people process the really hard trauma and come out on the other side. And then, you know, once you're in that place of kind of glory or peace or you've processed through that, there's something so redemptive about that. And it's so powerful. And then these people are living these lives. Now, they're doing stuff in the spare realm that's hard to explain. And I don't have the, I mean, their seers. I'll share one story that's really cool because this isn't somebody who really knows a lot of this stuff. But she had a mermaid altar. And so mermaid altar was a pretty high level goddess royalty in the mermaid kingdom, which is another thing that Montauk did was they tap, they had portals into the water kingdom. So but she said one day, she said Jesus just took her into like a four hour vision. She wasn't doing anything. She was just sitting around. She said Jesus took her into this four hour vision. And she's just sitting with him and they're watching all of these mur people jump stream and leave the dark realm and jump into Jesus's stream and throw their crowns at Jesus' feet. And get emotional. I share this. And he said they're doing that because they saw you do it. And if you just grasp our principle, Svolly, who's a very well known, famous, deprogrammer from the Jesuit, I mean, her stories, her books are brutal to read. She said more people have defected from the Jesuit programming because you can't get out. They'll, they will kill you. And she said more people have defected because she got out and they can't touch her. They can't kill her. And so these are very real people's stories. So my client isn't super spiritual, right? She just sat there. Jesus just took her into this vision. And that's what's happening with these survivors who are coming on the other side is Jesus has just taken them in and showing them how, you know, they're able to bust these realms open. I'll give you one other principle or couple, but one is almost all concerts. Are rituals. That's not hard to believe, right? So when you go to a ritual, you're participating by being there. Now you think about a heavy metal concert or whatever. Most people are altered, right? They're done drugs or drunk heavily. So your mind is a portal, right? We are open to other dimensions, especially when we're drugs or altered. Okay. So for a lot of these people, they literally have what we call like parts of them will stay stuck in this realm. A realm is created by heightened emotion, by heightened trauma, heightened emotion. So you know, think about the Travis Scott concert, that whole thing. Okay. So you're in a heavy metal concert. 50,000 people are there. You're all in unity together. These are all principles. And you're being traumatized because you're watching a ritual and you try to just like minimize it, but you're still watching a ritual. There's demons everywhere in that realm. And so my one client, she, before she woke up to her store, she was a heavy metal fan, right? So we went through and we kind of cleared all of her heavy metal concert stuff. And then God took her in and like literally gave her explosives and she blew up the realms, which meant that all of those people who might have had parts, I know this is kind of weird to understand, but this is how it works. They had parts stuck in those realms. Parts of their soul were left behind because they trauma bonded because they were in a ritual. And so Jesus would just take her in and she would like blow up. So 50,000 parts are freed just like that. And they go back to whoever their original owners, they may not notice any different, but it's one less point of access that the enemy has in their life after that. So you've got hundreds of survivors who are getting healed doing this kind of stuff. And I believe not that you guys aren't absolutely amazing, but I believe that's one of the reasons your podcast has blown up is because the veil over all this darkness stuff is being lifted. And we're like even with what's going on in the churches, it's a veil. The darkness was there. It's been there a long time. The veils are being lifted. People are open to learning now because we're the haze that's been over us is clearing. And I believe some of that is because of how Jesus is using these former mind controlled, super soldier people for his kingdom and his army now. So there's sort of day to day battles. And then you said that there was a point in time when they don't win. Yeah. And I think a lot of the debate in our channels is like, there's like some crescendo here. We're going towards something like they're abducting people. They've been doing it a long time. There's hybrids among us. There's spaceships coming. People are talking about it. You know, all this other stuff like what? And you say you have joy and hope and that's your message. Yeah. And I think that's a big part of what we try to do with our podcast is yeah, we dabble in this stuff. We also try to say at the end of like, well, this is why it's important to have these conversations because there is hope. There is joy. So what do you see at the end of like the macro battle inside the micro fights that you deal with? I'm going to give you some thoughts. I'm not saying they're right. The New World Order is the ultimate agenda on their end, right? The Annie Christ rule the world. That all kind of thing. Whenever that's supposed to happen, this has been going on a long time. I'm not a date person. Kingdom of Heaven is righteous and peace and joy. Courten's a room 1417. I don't dwell on the book of Revelation, the dark part because there's a lot of fear that that inspires. And fear is not a high frequency emotion. God doesn't want us to live in fear. So I'm going to focus on solutions and light. I don't believe, and maybe there's an end time when that's supposed to happen. We're not there yet. But I believe in the meantime, God's given us tools to capture back the ground and territory that he told us to have. And that's what he's doing. And that's really kind of the sunship movement is walking in the authority as sons that he wants us to have. And I believe that why this is getting dragged out, if it's getting dragged out, is trying to get us there. It's not about being perfect. It's about knowing our identity and walking in that identity. So I think the hope is the second thing, there's a really good book. It's hard to, you know, I have a PDF copy I can give out because the guys passed away and it's out of print. But it's called the Shining Man with Her Hands. In every survivor, when they start having these encounters, they go into some kind of water fountain and a lot of ministers say the same thing. And they see this man with holes in his hands and these shiny eyes and it's Jesus. And it's so powerful because like he has so much love for these witches and broken people. And when you see his love and mercy, you go, oh my gosh, like you want to redeem all of me and kind. You know, gosh, I'm all over the map, but a lot of a lot of people and part of the whole Luminati bloodline thing is they have a lot of enough on DNA. They're not pure human. And so I don't know what percentage you have to have before you can shape shift, but that's part of why they inbreed and they stay in the same bloodline is their DNA is not fully human. And that's why they do all that. But you know, I believe that when Jesus said is not God's will that any should perish, anything that is created by him and his image and likeness is his desire to redeem. And so I think that's what all of this time is about is what is our role in bringing that redemption to heal those that are deeply embedded in the occult, lift the veil off the occult once. In quantum physics, there's a principle called collective consciousness. And if enough people focus on one thing in unity and harmony, then that thing will manifest. It's a quantum principle. We call it prayer and unity, right? It's a principle. So that's why I don't focus on we're in the end times and all that because we can cause that to happen sooner by going it's a done deal. It's now it's here. I think there's some things that says we're going to have an end time harvest. We haven't seen it yet. Okay. I'm going to share one of the little controversial thing. I'll probably get really backlash from this one anyway. Okay. So back if you guys know who Jean D. Codis, all right, some people out there do. So he's this kind of weird guy who's in the really blurry space. But he shared this a few years ago. I don't know this is true. I've never heard anyone else say it, but it gives me hope kind of during the whole key movement thing. He was kind of big during the queue movement and he's still out there. He said that in the year 2026, the earth is supposed to pass through a photon belt. What is photon? It's light. So when you understand quantum principles, what happens when you get inundated with light, you change the vibration, the frequency of everything. Light raises the vibration. So we see all this corruption in the earth and all the pollution and all this stuff. We'll imagine quantum leave. We just the whole earth passed through a massive outpouring of light. Like instantaneously, you would see healing. You would see puff, things disappear, darkness disappear. I don't know that that's true. I don't have any evidence of that. But I hold that thought as a plot twist that God could do. As you go, our earth has so much corruption and pollution. I mean, I'm in the healing space, right? So glyphosate poisoning and chemtrails and this fog, they're just trying to kill us. I spend every day trying to get people well from just the stuff that's killing us, toxically. And so I'm like, how do we fix that? Now God can give us creative ideas and I'm hoping, you know, Kennedy will induce some of this stuff legislation wise if he is allowed to. But one of the things I say is, hey, doesn't it really matter who's president when you have cancer? Doesn't really matter. So can God do something massive like that where he can just puff shed light on the world in a way that we can't imagine? We part of the Red Sea, right? Wouldn't imagine that happening. You know, the time stood still for Joshua. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff that's happened that's miraculous. So why can't we believe there could be some miraculous outpouring? Well, I think you're laying out a great micro case of redemption, somebody who's been traumatized. But if you think about why God allows, you know, sort of this war to rage on, do you believe, you know, because obviously these, these, all the darkness originated from a rebellion in heaven down here. So do you believe there's some redemption of human that and, and jelly beings watching humans being redeemed as well? Because we're both learning from each other. We don't have God in our midst like they do, right? But they're also watching us with these redemption stories and that's encouraging them as well. And then you see what I'm saying? Yes. And again, I'm sure I'll get caught a heretic for saying this, but I believe that anything is redeemable. Because I believe that's how big and good God is. And I believe that there's free will. One of the things with, and I will get into, you know, post-life or whatever, but when you've been mind controlled from birth, from womb, and you've been taught Jesus is evil, right? And if you just have a straight hell perspective, well, how fair is that? How fair is it? So I believe there's other parts of the story that we can't be so black and white about theologically. If you understand the character and nature of God, we have to look about at the possibility. And I mean, I've done a lot of theological study and I have more questions and answers, but I think we should hold everything loosely, which you guys do an amazing job at, by the way. Well, we've tackled that recently, like Muslims who are in a very specific, same thing. But probably, I don't know how what's worse, I don't know, SRA or the things they are told, the young. Sure. But then Jesus shows up in their dreams. Or, you know, John Burke was talking about how this indi-indie guy is going and he gets a chance. It's like, I think we don't- I think we have to wrap limit this idea that God, you know, I do deal with a lot of ghosts too. And I think that just because you died in your body that if your spirit hasn't crossed over, I mean, that's a whole other- that's a whole show. But we talked to the hyzer that we did as last- Yeah. I think his last interview. I see ghosts getting redeemed all the time, except in Jesus. They're still stuck in this dimension. I have a theory that if you were free Mason that you're stuck here, that you're- your- your Rose and Bows teller to you here. I have to do it, I have a set on that. Yeah. So anyway, I got a whole bunch of good stories that are funny about it. Well, I think sometimes the question of- that the Christians that walk away from their faith being told sort of the harder parts of the story. Like God flooded the world and then they get to an age where they're- they're, you know, go to college or whatever and they go, God is- I don't like God. I don't like who he is. I don't like his story because they don't understand why we're in- to endure some of this trauma. Right. Why this- the darkness is still here in prevalent. And I think that a big part of the show is say, let's talk about those things so that you don't think it's all worthless and you just think God's this big mean- he's not- He's not. He's not. And that- in my book, Living Like a Son, I talk about that. And I refer to some other books that tackle some of those harder theological promises that make God seem mean and ugly, some things some other people have done. But, you know, I think that it really goes back to the Seed War. It's this battle on this earth for destroying- you know, we are the only creations made in his image and likeness. And all of the realm of the fallen and the- they're not happy about that. They're kind of pissed. They lived here before us. They didn't want us taken over. And it's this battle. It's Lucifer's battle against God. Destroy- I mean, look at the transhumanism, what they're trying to do. I mean, I- nanotechnology, all of this stuff I deal with people who are, you know, frequency radiation, things like that. I mean, that's a lot of what's going on today. They don't need to- you know, the reason they took Montauk when it closed down, I'll tell you how Montauk shut down. And this kind of leads into stranger things. So okay, this is a story again. Well, this is really crazy. But this guy named Duncan Cameron was supposedly on the Philadelphia in the Philadelphia experiment. He was on the ship. And when they time traveled, which has been proven, right, that's declassified. And people were embedded in the ship because it blurred the quantum- the frequency, their energy got mixed together. Several people jumped overboard and supposedly showed up in Montauk. And the time traveled ended up in Montauk, Duncan Cameron's one of the guys. And so the Montauk chair, which is what a lot of people remember, was what they would do is they would hook- and most of it was children because adults would die trying to do time travel. They couldn't do it. Only children were able to be successful. And so they would hook- and Duncan was an adult, but they would hook this chair part of the story. They would hook you up to this technology. And whatever you dreamed, you could cause to manifest. So it was about psychic powers, about the quantum thing of everything's in potentiality until it collapses into physical realm. These are all technology experiments. So supposedly, Duncan Cameron's hooked up to chair has a nightmare of a monster. This monster comes out of a portal and starts wreaking havoc. And that's why they had to shut Montauk down. That's the story. It's very strange to say that. It's very strange to say that. It's very strange to say that. It's very strange to say that. It's very strange to say that. But by that time, all the technology had been dispersed, you know, made portable. Obviously, we don't need massive things anymore. They could be this big. By all those years, they made portable and they could deliver it all over the world. And they're still using it. So. Wow. So is it more underground now? Absolutely. Absolutely. And I notice you have surface projects like CERN that everyone kind of knows about. Yeah, CERN was kind of the next step after Montauk to continue to try to create portals and open portals. But it's more of like, has sort of a science explanation. And we can explain it in a way. Some of this other stuff, it's obviously can't just be out in the open and where you can go and knock on the door. But people have written books about it. They were there. Yeah. They've seen stories about it. Their whole life, they're talking about it. Like they're just people don't go the deep dives to look for the end. Google's not necessarily the best place to find them. Well, that's the hard part, right? You gotta go to rumble or some off. Duck, duck, duck, duck, go. Nate likes that one. If you're still with us in this episode, congratulations. I appreciate you. So you only use 10% of our brains. I mean, we use 10% of our hearts. But I mean, these episodes open up so much possibility. And that is scary because you're talking about mermaids, mermaid kingdoms. We're talking about time travel, time travel. Well, you know, a lot of people have seen mermaids. They just again, they just play so hard. We brought on the guy who did. Yeah. And they were singing around his back. And there's some videos that don't look like they're old and they've been around a lot. I mean, there's good people of capture. We brought on the guy that would viral in TikTok millions of plays and they were like singing around his sirens. Yeah, remember that episode? Yeah. It's just wild to me that I think we try to slow drip people in like, okay, here's some big foot stories. Yeah. Let's build a case for big foot 20 episodes. And then finally, I said, yeah, okay, let's build a, let's build a framework for giants and all these other things. And now we're like, we just blew the doors off. Where is all this stuff come from? What is the origin story? Because some people are just like, they can't begin to understand how this stuff exists. What have you heard to kind of piece together like different kingdoms and different entities and sort of how they're allowed to interact in our realm or what they are or where they're from? Well, one like I said, it's always been going on. It was just not out in the open, right? And so obviously with technology and internet and all this now, we can explore and find out stuff we didn't know. But there's tons of books that were written pre-internet about this stuff. So I think the origin story so was back to the original war, right? Original war between Lucifer and God through all mankind. And Lucifer's got some pretty dedicated followers. They didn't go away. I mean, Alistair Crowley, these people are in your face, right? The rituals on stage, they're doing rituals. And Lady Gaga just had a lot of work. Yeah, I mean, it's not hidden. They're not even trying to hide anymore, you know, Beyonce and what's her husband's name? Jay Z. Jay Z. The one who's not in your heart that says, do what that will? That's Alistair Crowley's, that's Satan's saying. I mean, they're not hiding this. We should, the holiday was a restaurant in Hollywood where you could go eat human meat. It's real. Go look it up. I'm, you know, these things are real. I mean, you saw Richie the barber, right? He's doing the guy and his gills are showing up on the side of his face. Like, you think he's just making up that's, I mean, seriously, I understand it's hard to believe, but that's when what people ask me, like, well, what's it like working with Richie abuse survivors and I go, well, the only thing I can say is I figured out that every movie you've ever seen is true. Go watch the all the episodes of the agents of shield, right? They tackle all these in all those episodes. Well, the time travel, the shapeshifting, the mermaids, werewolves, vampires, technology that you see in movies, you know, anything dark, anything dark, they're all real eyes wide shut. Like, the, some reason names are just slipping today. I'm usually really good at grabbing names, but the director of Eyes Wide Shut who died, Kubrick, yeah, Kubrick died before it was released because he didn't want to cut 45 minutes of it out. I mean, they're showing Illuminati rituals in it. It's, it's, it's a fact. Like, these are just things that are really happening and these people who disappear and they die and, you know, they, and then we forget about it. Because it messes with our daily world until you meet somebody who starts telling their story who seems like a normal person or you meet somebody who switches personalities right in front of you and their eyes change color or their voice changes or, you know, when you start experiencing some of this stuff, you have to start asking these questions. And surprisingly, you'd be surprised at how many people have had one or two blurry experiences that they just filed away with no explanation for because it, these paradigm shifts. But again, God is bigger. Most people's lives won't be touched by this, but there's this quiet war going on in the spirit realm that we are winning. We're seeing the evidence of us winning. It looks darker, but it's only because the darkness is being exposed. We're winning. Because we're winning. I like that. Yeah. It feels like if you're a seminary grad or a theologian, why do you think the Christians are the biggest skeptics of their own story? I'll go back a little bit to my private practice. So I have a biblical studies degree in psychology, in masters in psychology. And my PhD is in quantum energy medicine and alternative medicine. So my modality is body, soul and spirit kind of all together and we can't separate them really well. Emotional things can cause physical pain. So we want to look at all of it at once. So part of I would say over the past 10 years for me where I was already primed for a lot of the stuff of questioning the narrative, like I didn't vaccinate my kids because I questioned, you know, did research. And so I'm always been a critical thinker. So I think for me because a big part of what I do with the average person is go and find limiting beliefs that you've created in states of heightened emotion in your subconscious, we're like icebergs. About 95% of us are subconscious. And from a quantum understanding, our thoughts and beliefs are really our faith, right? Hebrews 11. And so essentially what the law of attraction says is whatever I believe to be true is what I'll attract in my life. And so I wrote the first iteration of my book in 2013 because I'm like all of this quantum physics stuff is in scripture. It's all Bible. And so God took me down this road and one of the things he spoke to me as he said in 2013, there's going to come a time we're staying at a high vibration is going to be life or death. And that's really what COVID was and that's a lot of what we're fighting now is staying well. And so there's lots of things that add to our vibration, but the whole quantum physics realm of understanding in the church has opened up massively in the past 10 years. And I think that when you start understanding this quantum realm and all that that entails, you have to open yourself up to this idea of time travel, other dimensions, other realms, the possibility. I mean, if anybody's listened to your show for any years, either everybody's lying, nobody saw big foot, nobody saw shape shifters, nobody saw aliens. You have to either believe it's all a lie or you have to go back and go, my paradigm is a programmed mindset. And theology is some pretty strong programming. You go into church and you're told XYZ by somebody you trust and you're just told to believe it, don't even question it. Now, once you believe something, you go find scripture to support that. It's called confirmation bias. Critical thinking says, I'm not sure. I'm in a study. And one of my early experiences, I didn't get saved, I was 21, was I read a book by some theologian on one saved, always saved. And I read a book by another theologian on how you could lose your salvation. They both use scripture. And I went, that's ambiguous. So I felt like what the Lord said is, if there was only one right way, it'd just be a massive cult. And I said, if you're continually exploring me and you're seeking me, not just knowledge, that's relationship with the Holy Spirit, with the Lord. Most people's theologies have changed over the years I've walked with God. And so we have to hold some things loosely, right? And even Doug Van Dorn, talking about discovering that they didn't want all these prophecies of Jesus to actually be true, so they destroyed some of their own scripture, right? Because they were pissed that everybody was following Jesus. So it's like there's so many possibilities of why there's inconsistencies that we just have to hold it loosely and kind of let the Lord direct our paths. And I think what you guys do is so great because you empirically go down these roads, you get evidence-based stories. And then you try, you still kind of go, well, we're not sure. And one of the things I love about you guys too is you'll have one podcast where someone will go, it's absolutely this way. And you go, huh? And then the next podcast, someone will say something, pull or opposite. And you guys don't interject at all. Like you don't make anybody wrong. But I think that's so important in this age of deconstruction is we all have been programmed by government, by pharma, by alipathic medicine, by the church. And we have to step back and go, why do we believe what we believe? And even in my most recent book, I quote Rick Warren because for 40 years, he said, women can't be ministers. And so over COVID, he said, I read like 40 different commentaries on scripture. And he said, I've changed my position after 40 years. He said, because I'd only read like all the Baptist ones. And he said, I'm sorry. I'm like, sorry, he's not quite cut it for all those people who didn't fulfill their destiny because you told him women can't be ministers. And so after what is he in his 70s, he changed his theological position that he stood staunch on for 40 years? Well, yeah, I think that's something that's kind of why we do what we do. It's like it's having the folks on to say, this is my research and this is my conclusion. And I think when you listen and you disagree, I always want to say, congratulations, you're critical thinking. Now you're taking this and you're deciding, I don't think I disagree with that. Why? Right? Or I don't think I agree with that. Why? Or I do agree with that. Why? And I think that's something like that in our society, especially everybody who wants an answer and they want this, this is for sure thing. It's a for sure thing. Or they want, say they want confirmation bias. Like I believe this someone will listen to things in this echo chamber that reinforce what I say. And I think we host a show, Nate, and I there's, there's a lot of things we're like, I'm not there yet or I don't know if I agree with that. But this is that person's position and critical thinking and free speech would say that a lot of the best ideas to come at the top. And you also quoted Mike, you paraphrase Mike, which I love. It's just like if just one of these is true, it breaks the paradigm, right? Like so, all these stories, everything you do, you've told us, all things you hear from SRA victims, you could say everyone is lying. That's a much harder conclusion than telling the truth. And like, like Dan DuBall interviews, lots of great survivors on history for years, right? Most of my clients won't listen to his podcast because they might trigger him. They're telling me the same stuff. They've never, so if you think, oh, they just picked, you know, they just are copying. First of all, I'm thinking, you really don't want to be a survivor. It's not something you really want as your identity. There would be no reason you would make it up. And when people are ab reacting, they're not faking it. They're in distress. So it's kind of hard to fake. Like you've got to be a little mentally ill to decide you want to have been satanically richly abused. Because who wants to be your friend, right? How do you exist in the world? I wanted to go back to something you said a few minutes ago, but when I was thinking to myself, you said something about it. If it's just one person's message, it's a cult. Yeah. And I was thinking to myself that, you know, the Bible is 40 different authors or so. And they're all telling the same story. Not one person has the whole story. Right. And I think you look at some of these major cult, cult, how were they start? One guy, one person who starts this whole thing that everyone believes in. But I'm the arbiter of truth. I'm the master of God. I have the full revelation. And God, I'm Jesus incarnate, right? Listen to me. I have the message. Which is why is Christianity so unique? Which you guys are close to one of those right here. That's true. But you made a documentary about it. And a cult. You can get it the same place. But I think what you're describing is so much bigger than universalism, which is what like a trained theological saying, well, that's universalism. And I don't think that's what you're saying. You know, it's just like, yeah, not. It's bigger. It's that on top of all of these layers of human systems is God, his kingdom and his love. Yeah. And that he's going to use any and everything he can to convey this message, whether it's 40 authors in this ancient book or shown up in a dream. Yeah. You know, and we all go, well, it can happen in the book, but it can't happen in a dream. We limit ourselves the way we can learn the truth. And I think we're afraid. And obviously, there's so many people listening to this. This is all new age is what they're thinking when they're listening to this whole podcast. Yeah. This is all new age. Where did the new age get it from? Well, and really, why I wrote the books, okay? And my book thrive is like, you know, I've never been in the new age. I've never been in the occult. Like no one in my family has been sick. Like I'm as crispy, clean, normal. Yeah. Yeah. Don't think I'm weird. Yeah. So, gluten free. And gluten free. All right. Yeah. Just organic, not gluten free. Yeah. Super crispy. But the new age, just stole our stuff. Yeah. I'm like, take our stuff back. You know, Amethyst is an amazing stone. It's got a very high frequency. I sleep on a, or I have a bio mat. It's got 28 pounds of crushed amethyst in it. There's science behind what the amethyst is doing in your body. It's not spiritual. Yeah. You've got quartz in your phone. You're going to throw out crystals, throw it all out because they have properties. And when we go back and we take our stuff and we go, and this is one of the things, okay? So what I use in my practice is called muscle response testing or applied canesiology. Okay. Thousands of people over the world have used it. Lots of Christians use it. Our body is about communication. Everything is where super computers. You remember everything you've ever eaten in your life. It's in your quantum supercomputer. It's just not important. Muscle response testing works like a lie detector test. I'm able to ask questions of those in those hidden places because we're connected. And find yes or no answers. So I have a toolbox that I allow to do that. So that's how I can find where do you have generational inequities. You're not going to necessarily know your grandfather was a Mason, but your subconscious DNA knows that. And so muscle response testing, which is science, okay? It's based on quantum principles and lots of practitioners use it, Christian practitioners, new ageers in which is use it too. So it's not about the tool. It's about the person and their motive and their intention as to why they're using it. And so we take back our stuff. I honestly, I say this all the time. I find witchcraft, I find ghosts, I find demons, I find generational inequity using muscle testing that people don't know where they are. And we get them free from it, okay? Yeah, yeah. And so at the end of the day, you know, Satan's not going to go against his own kingdom to get people free. Right. But because there's so much duplicity, so much infiltration and confusion, I honestly believe muscle testing is a tool that God has given us for such a time as this, because if we use it correctly, we can get clarity. I don't ask future-based questions. That's a divination. You can use it wrongly. Yeah. But it's actually a site. I can put you up to a device and you can hold it and your frequency will go into a computer with software and it will read every mineral deficiency you have. It will read your, you know, your emotional issues, it will read your generational issues. So nobody's talking, nobody's interacting. You're hooked up to a device, reading your energy field. And that technology's been around a long time. It's just the alipathy community doesn't like it. So they call us quacks or new age or whatever. But it's very grounded in science and a lot of Christians use it because it's a very effective tool to help people get healed and get free. That's why I mean, I think if you've suffered, if you've had health issues, if you had problems, this is all making sense because you went down every road you could to get healed and you don't have healing. But if you've never had any of those kinds of struggles, you're the biggest skeptic of this information. So I think what we do here at Blurry is try and learn. The goal was always like for us to learn, Luke and I to learn. That is big foot. What is this alternate history? Why are these things built? What is this nephilim stuff? And we brought our listeners along with us. And like if you want to learn something, I love how Joe and Frank have said recently, like you're going to make mistakes. You're going to make mistakes along the truth journey if you want to know what the truth is. And I think a lot of artists in history have been trying to tell the truth to the people. That doesn't mean they always get it right. Yeah. But it's always an artist who's trying to uncover these things and tell the people what the truth is. Yeah. And it's rarely like some guy in a robe that's been given this position. It's some crazy guy in the woods. It's like Samuel, you know, walking out of the bushes and like, here's the truth. Or think of a little wobbling, right? Like he's a pretty sane guy even though he looks like an Amish, you know, minister. Yeah. Right. He's a pretty sane guy. He was there. He walked this walk. Yeah. People who question free masonry go read Albert Pike's book, Morals and Dogma. It says we're worshiping Lucifer in the book. Pretty hard to dispel. The guy who's one of the head free mason guys going, it's Lucifer. Great architect of the universe is Lucifer. No, no, even though they have scripture in there, it's all about counter fitting, mixture, it's not in your face. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. I'm here with this story. So I met Costa Rica. Right. It came that Thursday. So one of the things I was, my friend and I, she's also a health practitioner, we were doing methelling blue that week, right? So methelling blue is a health product and it's blue and it stains blue. So your pee is blue, right? So we have a break on the thing. We go to the restroom and there's a line of blurry visitors in the restroom. So of course, you have to throw the toilet paper in the trash can. So I go to the bathroom and the toilet doesn't flush and I get out of there and I'm laughing because I'm thinking, they're all going to think I'm an alien because my pee is blue. And they did? I don't know. Nobody asked me after. She cleaned it. She cleaned the toilet. She was a cleaner in here. That's true. She was a thought that way. That lady, her pee was blue. I wonder if she's a better. She's got a lot of blue hawaiian. She's the old bar. That's funny. I think if anyone is still with us, I appreciate it because I think that I'll a lot of our listeners have come along this journey. And I like these conversations because they helped me kind of rearrange the furniture. I expand the things that we've heard on different episodes that don't make a lot of sense. Then these episodes help it be, okay, I think that person was saying this too. And that makes a lot of sense. And also just to take a step back and go, this is a wild ride. This is a fascinating thing that we're all a part of. I didn't pick it. I just finally caved because God kept, I resisted for about 15 years and then He just kept sneaking in there. But you know, it's been one of the most amazing gifts to be able to work with this population truly. They're amazing. And they're coming out of the woodwork. We need more practitioners. One of the things in my modality that I created is I do train people. The modality itself is for everybody. It's not just for survivors. I do have an advanced modality from survivors. But a lot of people get a lot of healing, body, soul and spirit, which is how survivors came to their memories as we peel back all those other layers. And a lot of my practitioners are very blurry because we deal with a lot of the same stuff. Where the people that get gone too. So I love it. I love it. There's a lot of, you know, Christian hippies out there. And there's a lot of, I was just in Santa Cruz a couple of weekends ago and you're walking around and you're like, it's funny to retrace my own steps and be around the different types of people and understand how they come to these things. It's like we're all trying to get back to Eden in some way. But there are quantum truths that were present in Eden. For instance, Christians take their shoes off and go walk through the grass. There's a health benefit to doing that, right? And people, and all the Baptists are like, what? You're taking your shoes off, walking through the grass? That's new age, you know? You're like, well, actually, the Earth's energy comes up and that's maybe that's the way God designed it. Right. So it helps you heal your body, walking on the Earth. What a crazy concept, Baptist. I grew up Baptist so I can pick on the Baptist. I was there. You know, but all these ideas, it's funny how even taking your shoes off is controversial in the Christian space. Well, and really, walking on the grass, that's wild. My books are this mindset that God designed us a certain way. Yeah. And we're out of alignment with our design. And our goal is to get back in alignment. And that's mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual. And that's really my message is how do we get back? Because sons live at peace and joy. Sons live in alignment with God's design. Yeah. And our world has come so far out of God's original design. Yeah. And we're so mind-controlled and not question it. You know, I love all your paraphernalia back here. But you know, as we kind of joked about earlier, like corn syrup, toxin, toxin, chemicals, chemicals, chemicals. What about the big league 2? We are with that one. But I'll tell you what, the food, the wonder bread in the 50s is not the same as the wonder bread in the 2000s. Oh, yeah. It's not the same. It's so wonderful. If I, you guys are still going, my grandma's 102. She survived it all somehow. Yeah. But yeah, we have to live out long to finish Gary Wayne's book. So what else you do? Yeah. I can go on. Oh, I appreciate it. It's really helpful. I think all these topics are good to talk about. And my last thought is that some people are interesting. They will say that you're saving people from the new age and the occult with new age stuff. It's like, how does that work? You know, even Jesus said, you can't cast out demons with demon tech, right? It doesn't, it doesn't work that way. Right. I wrote books. I wrote theologically backed books on all of the quantum realm. It's all about the quantum principles, how to apply it, all the science behind it. There's lots of Christians who do what I do in different forms or whatever. But one of my biggest goals is that one of the things that church has not done well is acknowledge that we need to clean up our generational lines of the iniquity because people's lives are traumatic and dramatic and they're getting hammered. Yeah. So I kind of think of it this way. We have authority over the enemy. But if he keeps a sick and addicted and depressed and having all this drama, like we have no time or energy to do the battle. And so he doesn't have to go to with us toe to toe. He just finds those legal grounds from our open doors, from our ancestors. And so that's one of my biggest messages is, man, we can clean up. We can clean up our generational line and our lives can be peaceful and drama free. So I love it. Thank you so much for coming in. If you guys time portal, go back, get us some 50s wonder bread, bring it back. That's the good stuff and drop it off here. Or go into the future and like paycheck where he gets the brings back some more to McFly brings back the sports all men. Yeah, get some real Coca Cola from the early days. That's right. Next thing comes. Yeah, it's not that way. We do 18 shows in a row that happened. Hey, we were in Peru, June, Coco leaves at one point. You couldn't. It was a tough one for you to kick. We were running. We were just whiming wine, peachy and jeans. So website is integratedlifestrategies.com. I have another one, dr robinbron.com, but most more of it's on the integratedlifestrategies.com website. That's right. Way to contact Facebook, you know, Instagram, many of those. Yeah, thanks, Roman. And if you want, we're going to put out a Marty McFly vest with copper and terrier and we're going to we're just going to be cruising and healing. It's the same time with the world in 1985 all at once, right? That's right. We're working on that little idea in my head that we already we already talked about. That's right. I'm going to go to D'Lorean. Thanks for being a, you know, a supporter show. Yeah, thank you. I mean, I remember it and it's important to me to show it. Shout out to my daughter because she's out of my four daughters. She's the only one who's really excited about me. Maybe on this because she has some blurry friends. She's like, I can't wait to tell my friends you're going to be on the show. That's awesome. Love it. Well, thanks, Roman. Yeah, thank you. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. 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