Spittin' Chiclets Episode 611: Featuring Tom Brady

Hey, spit and chicklets listas. You could find every episode on Apple Podcasts in Spotify. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Bostal sports. I brought it towards the coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined the spit chicklets podcast full time. No, little bit. Ryan Whitney got a pink Whitney out there now. I just got a man-bagger. Get that on camera. He can't be. The song man. Kate is a full time member. Marley just gotten a kiss from Chris. Beat. Whoa, where buzzing right now? Ski. What is up folks? Welcome to episode 611 of the spit and chicklets podcast. And we're on Netflix, boys. This is on Netflix 611 episodes. The first one on Netflix, but not the first episode where we're going to talk about pink Whitney. Pink Whitney, New Amsterdam's own. As you see Keith fake chuck that bottle. And let me tell you NFL playoffs were electric this weekend and last night the New England Patriots, Sunday night. Excuse me. They had an amazing win. I had pictures of pink Whitney nips all over the tailgates. People dumbing them. So maybe we could say pink Whitney had something to do with Drake May getting his first playoff win. NFL fans all over the place. They love pregame with Pink Whitney. It's one of those drinks that gets you fired up. It warms the soul before a cold playoff outdoor game. So thank you to everyone who watched NHL NFL. Doesn't matter what you're watching as long as you drink a pink Whitney. Shout out to Amsterdam. Shout out Pink Whitney and shout out you two guys. We're on Netflix. What's going on boys? Can you believe it? No, I can't believe it though. Okay. Okay. I like that. A lot of hard work that went into this, but I still can't believe it. And I still can't believe the fact that we've had now two goats on this podcast. Wayne Vetsky and now the football goat, which he's Tom's getting his tires pumped on the internet like crazy right now with that breakdown of how you throw a spiral in the wind. And people just loving him. Maybe on the wrong side of it, Tony Romo. I didn't listen to the game that he called people saying he sounds like he's on Koi Ludes or something. I don't know. I don't I didn't watch that game. But we are a hockey podcast, but I would say that that NFL definitely took over the weekend, especially on how exciting all those games were. Yeah, they were all good games too, right? Like every game when you have playoff games, you got some upsets. You got some down to the wire games. You got good defense and the Patriots game last night. You got a little bit of everything ton of offense in the other game. So it was an unbelievable day. I watched it with my Buffalo friends. I watched the bills game with my Buffalo friends. How long were they? Oh, it was unbelievable. Unbelievable. They started they started drinking three hours before the games because the nerves got to them. So there was a lot of fun, a lot of yelling. You know those baffelonians. They don't play around, right? So it's it was a fun day. Got the endorphins going busy. All right. Murl's biz. I don't know if you saw this before Carolina L.A., which was the first game of the playoff Saturday. He put a little parlay in through the draft Kings happy. Colby Parkinson to score a TD in that game. DJ Mortus score a TD and Packers Bears. Dalton Kincaid to score a TD in Bill's Jaguars. Dallas got it to score a TD 49ers Eagles and Stefan digs to score a TD chart. Come on. He had five guys. The first three guys got one all in the fourth quarter of those games, right? So then he looks in the cash out option on a hundred dollar bet. This would have paid 58,481 bucks. 100 dollar bet. The cash out option after the third one was 5,500. He said, what do you think? What do you think? I said, buddy, it's a hundred all bet. You got to let it ride. What happens in the Philly game? Goddard scores early. He's now one Stefan digs TD away in the late game for 58 grand. His cash out then changed to 15,500. Don't catch up. He took it. He took it. He took the cash out. Good. Good. Here's the thing. You know, Murl's he might have taken it. He told me he took it. But I said, what's going to happen is he, if he takes it, he's going to score, which he didn't. So luckily, and he'd be furious. And if he doesn't take it, he won't score. He didn't score. So a great cash out as long as he took it. Now sometimes when Murl's is drinking, celebrating a bills game, I don't know if he knows what he's saying to me. Did digs end up getting a touchdown? No. No. What a cash out. Now is that the one who's with Cardi B now? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow. I think he's sitting up in the press box with craft and stuff. This is fucking wild. Yes, she's a lot more Taylor Swift. She's electric. Um, I, I believe he, you know, like he has several children with several women, but as Cardi B said, like he come back to my bed. So, um, I believe when he spent Christmas with another one of his baby, mamas, like she mentioned, like, what do you want me to do? Put my baby back in my pussy. That was an exact quote. She's very electric, very electric, very electric. He's legit. Now, I go from house to house dropping off gifts. Hey, like six, seven different addresses. The only thing I have to say besides the excitement of the paths and drink, may, um, I'm such a mush. It's incredible. And I think people who watch part of my take and have watched Chicholts know my hatred towards the bears and the commanders based on PFT and big cats, hatred of Carnomick David, which is so weird. Like how enjoyable he is to watch play, but they, because I like him, don't like him and root against him. It's real scumbag behavior, real bad guy. Yeah, we have people. So I was just loving life. It's like on home Saturday night and I look and the bears are getting worked and Caleb Williams passivating at this point. I think in the third quarter, maybe later was 45. He was horrible. And this guy, this man, all season, this guy in the fourth quarter turns into prime tom Brady and the, and I, and I tweeted out, wow, 45 passivated looking good, big cat. And in the next like 12 minutes, they came back and won the game. And I got buried online. But I was like, oh, it's unbelievable. When I say things, it's like the exact opposite happens. It's crazy. It's crazy. And it felt like shit. And it feels like even shitter today knowing that I kind of had something to do with the bears winning that game. So I don't really know a lot of guys names. I know Caleb Williams, like all the guys for TDs, you mentioned, the fond digs was the only name I knew because he's dropping loads inside a Cardi B's Puss. Yeah. The coach for the bears, watching his post game speeches in a locker room, and the way that that team interacts like, buddy, I was getting fucking goose bumps. Like I, I was getting a little emotional because I watch it while I was on a flight. So that's a crying thing. That's a thing. That's not getting all you people listening know that you get more emotional when you, when you watch emotional things on flights. Like you, I remember where I watched the football game, the Justin Bieber documentary or movie about his come up. Like I was fucking in tears on my way to Saskatoon, but I digress like you guys have obviously seen the interaction. They've been going on all year. I just felt like this one felt even more special given the Packers bears rivalry is fully back on. Well, they always lose to the Packers too. The Packers own them and it switched. Yeah. What did you, what did you guys watch that interaction with this, with his team in the locker room? Yeah. I think football too and biz. I think you would be a good football player because like the way that they fire the, each other up the way that the coaches come in the speeches like, you don't really get that in hockey, right? Like maybe a little bit in playoffs, but like you're not having a coach coming in head button players like Mike Raeble or chess bumping in like the Chicago coach. So I always, I always think it's hilarious to see these grown men just like yelling at each other before or after a game, but it definitely is, it's emotional for them. But it's probably like we were talking about the other day. The life expectancy of a coach like every game must be a do or die like where you're, you're next on the line. And so the emotions are unreal and to be able to see them when they have the cameras in their soul fun. I think that you're, you're playing one game a week. So for hockey, you don't want to go too high too low. You got to stay more even keel because the amount of times you're playing, but also I think that just with football, the short bursts like you're like you're all on for six, seven seconds and then you get to relax. All on for six, seven seconds. So it's a way different temperament just from my observation. The obviously to throw from Caleb Williams is the one thing that everybody's talking about where you didn't have any feet on the ground and he just somehow figured out that four and 10. Another, it's crazy though. I, I was watching that game in the second quarter and then I fell asleep right before half and then woke up to the end of the game and then like how much time left? Like you saw the last like seven minutes legit watching the coach sprint onto the field and then kind of give the mat look for a shitty handshake. Yeah. What did you make of that that that somebody saying that he had a security guard next to him. So the bear's coach couldn't hit him with the clip war on the back being like, good job. Well, there was some shit talk coming out of the green Bayes locker room apparently during the week leading up like we want them or I don't know the exact quote, but almost like, hey, we're going to go take care of business in Chicago, paraphrasing and he, you know, Ben Johnson, remember that on the handshake. I almost think if if a team's giving you bulletin board material and then you get the meetup at the 50 with the other coach, I'd rather sit there for a long time and almost be like, oh, body water game. We gotcha. It was a good game. But we ended up getting you a good effort, but we gotcha at the end and just instead of like quickly, you know, shrugging him off. I'm sitting there and making him leave first. You're giving him your, you're giving him that stiff handshake and you're pulling them in almost like the sun. Yeah, like you had us. You had us. You're up 21, three and then you were up 11 with like seven minutes. If you had us, but he didn't. And then he got to walk off and knuckles and it was like off the other way. Yeah. Um, another, uh, yeah, and another coach that ended up making headlines was the Jaguars one. And for good reasons in my opinion, the certain reporters were losing their minds about this, calling it unprofessional and you're, you're supposed to say unbiased, but there was a woman reporter in, in Jacksonville. Is it Jacksonville Jaguars? Yeah. And she complimented the head coach basically being like, you brought a lot of joy and it was a hard year or fought and, and, and, you know, congratulations on the success and we'll see you next year. And then all these cranky reporters who have no lives just started fucking feeding the mentions. What do you guys make of that? I thought I loved what she said. It's like, you never hear anything like that, right? And I'm sure like she's been around the team. I would imagine for a while they haven't been good for a long time. He comes in, turns their team around, they make the playoffs, they lose the game, but they have a good game, right? It's, it's giving somebody their flowers. It was a very nice gesture and the fact that people are pissed about it just shows you how miserable people are in their lives. Like just be happy for someone for one second. He's going to answer the hard questions before or after. But like, why can't someone you get a compliment for doing a good job, which he did. Well said dance. Thank you. Well said. Oh, that look at that guy. I'm not at all. And I thought they, they, after that, I was like, this could be a one in 16 team for eternity. There was a long story in the understand and he turned it around and yeah, I didn't really understand the anger about that. I mean, I was at the end, the beginning of the press conference, like if, if he was asked ten questions, what's the big deal of one lady's? I don't know, but he needed a little love. He could tell he was down to dumps and he changed that team around. He deserved a nice little tire pump. I don't know how much other football we need to talk about. Boys was earning us the car. The ride before we move on here. The only thing with I meant to mention it today, the last night, like he must have felt a little stress in that Patriots game. He was, he did a pizza review with Drake May's wife, the week of, and I think they did like a baking show or something together. Like if he loses, if they lose, you know people are coming after him for that. So he must have been stressing watching that game. Well, he says herba terrible. I'll tell you one thing about Justin Herbert. That guy's fucking tough, man. Like he, I think he had a broken hand. He was getting crushed at least at the end of the game and he was standing in there. I don't know how good of a QB is, but respect to how he was able to like battle through a lot. But yeah, that's kind of it. Biz, last thing before we get Madison Pierce, he'll get over it. I mean, fuck. I know. But I like 50 sheets. Fucking unreal player, probably an approval, Madison beers, like some guys got it all hung like a horse. Yeah, I also want the guy to have one. I'll probably get a good looking cat tall tan. Biz, last thing before hockey, it's incredible. I went, I went over Minty, shenanigans. You, you described everything. I mean, the man is such a, such a scumbag. He, he pretty much ruined the paint job in your guest bedroom. Yeah. And those were pistains on the floor and the bathroom. Oh, yeah. Okay. One of the bar still guys goes was he pissing Worcester sauce. Is that what it's called? Worcester Worcester. Yeah. I've seen it. I don't know how to say it. I won't even try to say it. But I know that's a tough one. That's a tough one. But so we, I thought that the whole Minty Fiasco was over and done with. I said goodbye in the midst of recording our last podcast. Like I have a window that looks out to my front and I could see him leaving. So after we were done the pod, I had a bunch of other stuff to do. I had to line up a cleaner. You know, yada, yada, yada. So fast forward to, I think it was that night or even the next day. I can't remember right now because my brain's a little scrambled at night. It was that night. It was that night. So Ohio, Ohio tape finally sends out a tweet saying it's over. Minty's leaving. I'm, you know, he's going to his friends mansion with the lazy river. I'm actually catching a flight out of town. And then underneath there was an encore tweet. And I don't know who sent it to him, but it was about Minty leaving one of his Lucy pouches on somebody's a nightstand. So as soon as I read that and see that, my light bulb goes off. I'm like, I haven't been to Minty's room yet. So I walk over. I look right at the nightstand around the corner and ensure enough there's a little Lucy pouch on the ground. And you know what? I'm like, that's not bad. It looked like it was a freshie. Like you'd just taken it out after you put it in. Not a big deal. It wasn't stuck to the floor. I can put up with that. Well, I pull my head up to go around to go see like the closet. If anything's over there and then you look at my window seal and the portolo paint is what it's called. It's completely ruined. This fucking guy jumped in my chlorine pool. Came out took his wet boxers and maybe he had socks on. I don't know what else he put on there, but puts it on the window seal and completely ruined it. And he he ended up calling me. It took him a little over 24 hours to call to apologize, especially at the fact, they probably saw all this going on online. But his rebuttal was as I didn't know you couldn't put wet stuff on on like dry wall. So neither does Wyatt. And he's five. Yeah. So I was like, Minty, don't worry about it. Because at the end of the day, the amount of joy and laughs that that whole crew brought me over the course of a few days, it was worth the ruined wall. So this guy is an all time fuck up, but you can't deny the numbers that he put up over a 48 hour span with Ohio Tate. They sent out Ohio Tate that a 10 minute breakdown of his full 48 hour experience. It was amazing. It's Emmy worthy. And yeah, that's that's pretty much the end of it. Now I don't want to you. Like if you're taking off anything wet, it goes into the bathroom. I don't care if you put it hanging in the shower, even on the ground in the bathroom, you did not put it on a fucking windows. And that paint is, I know that paint. It's expensive paint. That's what I was going to ask. If I you don't have to say the exact price for what's going to cost to get fixed, but if I set the over under at $5,000 over on a way, I would say under, I think the whole room costs like close to 10. And some people might say like, why are you painting your room like that? It's, it's kind of a finish that I think was popular back in the day and it's coming back around now. And some people go like over aggressive on it and do their whole house in it. I just, all my walls are basically like an off way throughout the entire house. And that was the guests, the smallest guest bedroom and the designers were like, Hey, why don't we try something different? It gives it a darker feel in there. And then when you close the window shades, it's like pitch black in there. So I was like, sure, let's do it. So that I would assume to prepare is probably going to cost about 1,500 to 2 grand. I don't care. I don't need the money. Like I said, mincee in the crew brought you. You weren't going to get it. What? No, he called it. He called and offered. Now what would be cool? And we have, we have a hockey illuminati coming on soon to talk about and give tribute to a guy named Kevin who's a suit. It was a super fan for the Toronto Maple Leafs, a heart heartbreaking story. And big cat throughout that 48 hours with Chris, who is introduced to us, who has brain cancer, they did that mincee shirt where they raised money. I thought maybe it would be a good deed where if we did the print of him, fucking up my wall. And instead of you guys remember, I've heard of Banksy. Yeah. Yeah. Banksy is just like on the ground artists. I don't think anybody's ever seen what he's looked like. And he all of a sudden will do these portraits on the side of buildings or wherever in Prop 2 and he'll sign the Banksy and their, you know, everyone's tweeting about it. It's the rage. To me, that's mincee play off of Banksy. That was his mark that he left on my house, which I won't be getting fixed. I'm going to leave it like that. And it'll be now known as the mincee quarters. If we could put that on a shirt and make them where all proceeds help out this, this fan Kevin and, and, and his wife who, you know, who's, who's still around, that to me would be, that would be the only thing that I would ask for and hope that mincee would, would promote it. And I mean, well, once you guys hear the story from hockey illuminati, I think you guys will understand a lot more about why it would be fun and an amazing thing to raise some money for, for a family and need. So that's pretty much that point. You need to see to come back and sign it though. That's, that's kind of what I want. At some point, he's going to have to come sign it. But for now, if we print the shirts, we'll just kind of do it like a fun little collager figure or however it should, maybe he puts the wet bethies should over his finger and sign it like with the wet bethies. So, you know, it's similar to the stain now. Also, I love like, along with, I think it's rocket scientists. You say world wind. I love window seal instead of window sill by you. When was it one? Yeah, I like window seal though. I'm going to be using that. I thought, I thought it like, like the window is sealed. The not that was when it was. It is. That's why I love it. That's why I love it. Okay. I love it. It was. It's okay. Now I get it. The other final thing for me is quigs. One of the most talented men at bar stool. He worked for NASA. Like I told you, he's a legit genius. He does all the behind the scenes on sports advisors, very creative, funny on Twitter. He made an Ohio State Centel, which was just a fake. Did we talk about this last episode? What go back and describe what the centel is. It's like a humorous Twitter account, right? It's NBA's centel. I don't know if I'm saying right. Centel where it's, it's just fake stuff. Yeah. It's like a complete parody account. Ironically, the NBA won. I think has like, called a couple trades and signings like, barn advance of it actually happening. So people think it's a joke and then it actually goes down. But he made the Ohio State one. He put a picture of apparently mincee eating sunflower seeds and there was no less than 800 shells on the guy in front of them. Like it's so many people thought it was real. That was incredible. I think that's lying. Loffan that one was great. There was another one where I think he was talking to Chris. This is obviously parody about the money that was raised to help him in his fight of brain cancer. If he could maybe give him some of that for a flight to Miami for the wherever he was going to the national championship. Yeah, I don't it was just amazing. Did you see the one where he put the veterans hat on him on the flight? And he's like, yeah, he and I'm better. Yeah, yeah. There was awesome content. But yeah, so a great, another thing to it is, is all jokes aside. Big cat was had the idea or somebody at the office and big cat was the one who called about it. It was in order to print those shirts that Chris showed up in with mincee and passed out next to him on the flight. I believe at this point right now, it's raised just about $150,000 for Christmas family. So this guy is going through a lot by weekly or by monthly treatments on brain cancer and having to do these cross country flights. So this guy is going through a lot, folks and through all the chaos and hilarity in what bar stool is. There's obviously a soft spot as well. And we got to thank the fans who followed all along and support causes like this while, you know, sending mincee on a bit of a rat race, but then raising $150,000 for guys got brain cancer. Like I feel like everybody really went one one in the over that 48 hours. Yep. Yep. That's so true. Getting to the NHL. Yeah. The New Jersey devil's boys. Oh my God. Let's get the drama going. Do they stay in the news? Some more to more info and and Pasha are resident in St. Devil's fan who let me tell you was the cockiest motherfucker of all time after nine games this year. I believe the team was eight and one. They were cruising along until the Chicago cut rookie party dinner in which Jack Hughes cut himself accidental disaster. He goes out. The team is is a joke now. Pasha was all over Dougie Hamilton and some others for not waving their no move causes, which they had rightfully so deserved and signed and told me if it's still that given them Dougie Hamilton being one. It came out that the San Jose sharks had a trade in place for Hamilton. He said no over the summer. I don't know if it had happened again where they went to him again in recent weeks before the Quinn Hughes to Minnesota deal. He might have he might have scratched off another trade that they could have sent him out of town with. But now the team has decided, OK, and you know what? This was kind of the only play they had left. It is now Dougie Hamilton is not playing. He is out of the lineup and Dougie Hamilton's agent. I believe his JP Barry came out and had a quote saying, we do not believe this is because of his play. This is business. This is them trying to basically force Dougie Hamilton out of town to accept a trade. Now this is business. He's right about that. And if he won't accept the trade, I think this is what Pasha was saying in terms of like do something. He was mentioning attaching like high draft picks with Dougie Hamilton just to make sure a team would take him, but that still didn't fix the fact that Dougie Hamilton could say no. So at this point, they're saying, all right, buddy, you want to play hockey? You're going to have to accept the trade. Biz, what do you think about this? I think you did already mentioned 10 team, no trade list, right? So Sam is a being one of them that he declined a trade to this summer. I believe Pasha mentioned that. I'm not sure where he got that info. I think it's all fair for them to do that, right? But in the same breath, like I don't know why Pasha in his brain, he thinks that like even though Dougie Hamilton, when he negotiated the contract, he got that 10 team, he negotiated what he wanted out of that deal. And he has a right to nix it. And I think that even going back to the Truba situation, I feel like he had that same type of energy where it's like, they don't want you. Just wave it and move on where it's like, no, no, no, no, no, at least slow things down and get the pick where you can be happy next given the shit show that is transpired and how you've been treated in New Jersey. You want to make sure the place you're going next is maybe on the rise. Has a great group of guys where you're going to fit in all of the sudden, you're Dougie Hamilton not going, oh, yeah, you're trying to trade me to a team that's got two guys on my side who they view as just as offensive if not more. And they're their prospects and they're going to be around for much longer. So I'm not playing power play anymore. Now I find myself in a shitty situation out of line up there and not happy. So why would you do that? So they, but in the same breath, they have a right to healthy scratch him and try to make his life as miserable as possible for them. New Jersey. And I believe it's like quoted where they're saying, this is not like, this, this doesn't have anything to do with the trade situation. This has to do with his play. Uh, I don't know. I'm going to call bullshit on that like that's fucking bullshit. So I get that you don't want this guy in your lineup anymore. If anything, you should try to be prop him up in order for other teams to maybe want to trade for him. But I, I agree with the having to throw in high end picks to probably get him off the books. If you want him gone, you're probably going to have to maybe give up a prospect, a good draft pick. And then maybe in, in, in some case, eat salary in a perfect dream world. They would give up to high end draft picks and just get rid of that salary and then be able to add and, and figure things out from there. But, uh, kind of bullshit from the team, but also a GM, a coach, an organization that is scrambling so hard right now. And one other detail you missed out from the Chicago cut. How much onus is Frank the tank putting on himself for being there and taking that photo. He's the one who's at the top of the mountain screaming the loudest, even louder than Pasha. I don't even think we're allowed to play his rant on Netflix. Like, we would get kicked off of Netflix. We would lose our contract if we played that rant in which he lost his mind on, on fitsy on, he calls him, we've shelled in, we've not Keith at 30. That's 30. And he's a tough dude too. I wouldn't be saying that. I would be saying it either ask murals what the result is going after Sheldon Keith. Yeah. Go fucking him and go ahead and ride. Yeah. Go down. Now, like, if they do, if they are able to get a trade, like every team knows that their hands are tied, right? There's 22 other teams, right? He's got a 10 team. So there's 21 other teams that are like, okay, we're just going to wait. They're going to get such a bad offer. They're not going to be able to trade anything for him. And then Jersey fans are going to be pissed about that. So it's like, I agree with you where you got to play the shit out of them, make them, you know, feel good, have them playing good. And then you can trade them and then maybe get something or at least somebody want them. Can Pasha come on here quick? I have a question for him. And with, are you writing off this season? Oh, you write. No, we don't want him to. This is being brought off the Buffalo Sabers. Don't write them off with. Yeah, but, but, but, but I was rooting for Buffalo deep in my heart while writing them off. Okay. I'm also just hating everything about them because of the man you see in the picture. Now, Pasha, I forgot to mention the reason that this is all kind of going down now is Kovacevich's back in the lineup. Cool quotes from him. He said he's just like so happy to be back playing again. He just almost can't believe it. Like, I'm finally back. You're finally doing what you love. Love to hear that. But I'll disagree with these guys, Pasha, and agree with you a little bit. The healthy scratch, I could see it being because of his play. He's not getting any points, right? He's not physical. He's not great defensively. You need the 60 70 point, Dougie Hamilton. So are you now on board or are you agreeing with the fact that it is his play? Not just we want him to finally say, okay, I'll leave. And in one question, have they healthy scratched Luke Hughes ever? Just before we get to that, is you keep bringing up this fucking troub of thing? I wasn't sitting there being like, Oh, Truba, wave, they don't want you. I was hoping Truba would stay there because he fucking sucks. That's bullshit. I don't know where we're going to get this through the sucks. I think he's going to affect the way I believe he might have more goals this year than any defenseman on your team. Let's go. Let's do you're talking about Oh, Dougie, like he wants to control, like go somewhere good, up and coming. Yeah. As San Jose not exactly that San Jose doesn't have much on the right side. They're an up and coming sick team. So I bet if you asked him to go there right now, he would say yes, but over the summertime in nobody, nobody. Nobody guessed that. I can't see the future. Thank you, Yanns for talking so fucking sense into this. You're welcome. I see your question, what I do think, I mean, it's for sure 100% like trade related. Like we're going to force a trade here. But I think the fact that his on ice play isn't great makes that an easier decision. I think if he was just, you know, lights out, if he was lights out, they wouldn't be in this fucking predicament. But I mean, regardless of what Fitsy says, which is nice to see him put out a statement. I mean, we hadn't heard from the guy in months. It's definitely. I think he was saying Bart's. He was a text that he sent to a reporter describing the situation with Dougie. But Pasha, like, forget Dougie Hamilton. I mean, this team that lost to the jets. I mean, this team I'm disgusted is so bad. And I don't really, when I say I'm writing them off, yeah, I mean, I made the 500 dollar bet with Pasha. I think he'll own me around 7,500 when they missed the playoffs. He's just in the hole. The guy can't get 100. Are you already counting the five grand for anime who's lost nine in a row? Well, we can get into them later. That has gotten ugly. No, I was exaggerating on the money right now. I was exaggerating on the money, but I'll ask you like, I think we made that bet what five days ago, like you have to be a lot of attention that week. There has been a lot that's changing. There has to be a big party who's thinking there's no, there's no way we're getting in. I don't, I don't see it. I just want to go back to Dougie quick. It's been reported this morning that Anaheim, Vegas, Detroit, San Jose again, Utah and Toronto have interest in Dougie. So that's really, yeah, the Toronto thing, like right, we'll get the Toronto later, the culture and the locker room, their whole. It's boxing right now, maybe it's blocking. I want to show you guys are I really like phase. But I mean, that would scare me a little bit. You don't want to shake things up too hard, but talking about when he's at the height of his game, when it comes to power play, that's one thing that they could use. Eleviate a little bit of pressure off of the other guys who, I mean, Oliver was probably a PP one guy at a certain point in his career. If you evaluated him across the league as far as like what you would, like where you would slot him, I would say you'd say a PP two guy, Ian, is that fair? Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. So all of a sudden, no tan of at least for the rest of the year, it's looking like now all of a sudden, they got a, their decors looking even fucking better. And I personally don't believe that a guy like Dougie Hamilton, maybe with some of the things you've heard and maybe how he doesn't gel necessarily with, with certain teams or certain cores, I feel like there's no one that could go in right there into Toronto right now and fuck things up. I think that they would embrace him with open arms and. Frank the tank. If he became a fan, we ain't taking Frank the tank. He's been, I don't even think you're getting the candidate at this point, but I would, I would definitely entertain to see what, what they could get as far as taking on that. But then they would have to get money off the books. Like I don't know, even know how that fucking would work, but definitely something I would entertain, but going back to you, Pasha, so you're not writing off this season, like you think the, like what percentage do you think that they're going to make the playoffs at this point? It's interesting. You said Toronto, the word Toronto and shake up. I mean, look what's happened since they fired Mark Zavar at the turnaround, something like firing an assistant coach has, has sparked the change. TSN turning point, if you will. The lack of action from the devil is as fucking despicable. And another thing that's actually come out this morning, this theory, people seem to think that Keith is being forced to play a system that fits he is forcing him to play. I don't know how this is read. I saw that. I don't know. But we don't know if this is the jet. I have no idea if this is legit, but it seems to be that like these people that are in the know have been talking and certain kind of devil's reports have been getting messages about it. I have no clue if it's true. But Keith is playing a different system that he played in Toronto. So I don't know. I mean, Fitz has assembled this roster. He kind of changed it from a really fast running gun roster to more of like a, let's try and play Florida style, which is new to their offense. If that's true, that's a fucking complete joke. If I was on the 50 fire, 50 train before I am now running up to the front of it and I'm putting the conductor hat on it. I'm leading that fucking charge because this is a complete and mass, a complete disgrace. The team is in everyone needs to go. I, I, I, I, the dance. Well, you're saying a shake up. They fired so far because the, the power play was atrocious. If you looked at special teams, their, their power play, the, the devil's, there's, is at 22%. The penalty kills maybe what's hurt them a little bit. It's clicking at 77, but nothing like insane to where you're pointing the finger at one guy. So you're obviously saying, Keith, get him out of the chair right now. Like, are you, would you get anyone out of the chair? Yes. Get Keith out of there. Just want somebody fired. Yeah. I just want to shake, get someone out of there. Do something. The benching, Dougie was like a nice first step, but like, they should have taken action a long time ago. This team has been fucking broken for a calendar year. The fact that there's been no shake up of any sort. I don't care who it is. Something's got to give something needs to change. It's fucking, it's crazy. It's, I can't believe what I'm watching. Pasha, I don't know how you can blame a GM went, they've got scored on 27 times in 45 games. They've got scored on first 27 times. Like that you got to put some onus on the players on that more than the coach. Like, your team's going out, not giving you much. Even in the Winnipeg game, like they scored, there's no fucking life. Like no one's even happy. Like you can just tell it just misery. I agree, but I think that's like, I think the keyf is lost the room slash the team is quit on keyf. And I think that's, that's a big part of it. Like, I mean, under keyf's 10, you're not showing up on time. Has been a training that runs back the last season, give me up the first goal. So I don't know what that is. It's just, is he not getting them ready? Obviously, some onus is on the players, but I think right now they're just, they've quit on keyf. He's lost the room. So yeah, I mean, I think keyf needs to go. The ownership is not letting Fitsy fire keyf because they're like, dude, you hired him a year and a half ago. He's your guy. Right. You're going to fire him like the, you know, the, you know, the gun points at you next type thing. I don't know. But like, regardless of why there's been no change or, you know, all this inaction, it's a fucking disgrace. I can't believe what I'm watching on the ice. It's, I don't know enough of what goes on the locker room. I don't pick information. Sometimes I hear about stuff. When he was originally hired, people were, that I talked to were a little surprised. They're like, he couldn't really get through to a young core and figure that out in Toronto. Why would all of a sudden he get this like young up and coming? Maybe a little, maybe you would have considered them a little bit more established. I would say pretty much right even. I like the hiring. I, I, yeah. I thought you were more on the players than with. Yeah, I do. Um, I don't know. I look at those Toronto teams. Keyf had, yeah, the playoffs weren't great. But God, they were good in the regular season. And I looked at like the skilled jersey hat at Pasha, you liked the hiring too. I did like the hiring. And last year before the injuries and the wheels fell off, they were playing great. And once again, this year before the injuries and the wheels fell off, they were playing great. So again, like I said last pod, like I wouldn't just fully say like, oh, I hate keyfews a bad hire. He's a bad coach, fire him. But it's just, it's as a result of just the losses. Like something has to give the team just doesn't look engaged. So like, you know, a sign of a bad team. Like if one player goes down, you can't lose every fucking game. Like you got to have other guys. Yeah, but it was a lot more than one player. It was a lot more than one player. Well, it's just incredible because I said, oh, what is yours? You have coming up here and I didn't even know. Oh, no strength. That's the thing, Benz. And I don't even think you know this, Benz. They're in Minnesota. Oh, they're in Minnesota. And if we've seen some angry devils fans, if they go into Minnesota tonight and when Hughes puts up basically his standard two to three points, you know, he's getting four points. And the wild trounce them. It's going to be me sitting on my nice chair next to my fireplace, reading devil's Twitter with a permagr enough like this. I might fly to Jersey for Wednesday's home game. I hope it's a fucking bloodbath. And I hope there's fire, Fitsy Chats. I hope they lose tonight. You're vicious, dude. You're a funny guy. You're a funny guy. You're a funny guy. Funny. We're at a breaking point. We're way past a breaking point here. This is unacceptable. It's been going on for way too long. I hope they're booing the whole fucking time. And I hope, yeah, I am beyond done with this. This something's gotta give. If you could pick one of these, Dougie gone. That's a hard doggy gone doggy gone doggy gone. First that would be the first move. Yeah, because then that will allow Fitsy. I'm sure because he's got all these trades. I'm sure he's been talking about the table. It'll allow him to shake up the roster. He can't shake up the roster with Dougie on it. So I would imagine if and when Dougie waves, because I think at this point, it's a matter of time, there will be another trade or two trades following shortly to bring in a winger, to bring in a 3C. So yes, first, that has to be the first domino of Dougie. Would you rather see Keith or Fitsy gone? I think at this point, Fitsy. I mean, I think Keith would have a bigger, on ice and maybe it impact. So maybe that, but I think in terms of genuinely, who's to blame? Fitsy. What do you think of the future right now? It's so crazy, Keith, that I'm aware of the picture. Where were we when we were at a game and we were hanging with Fitsy in the sweet posh, it was like a young kid meeting his hero. And he was looking at him and he was asking him questions and he was smiling and he was nervous. And now he's on Netflix calling for the guy to be fired. You know how to be even crazier? If they're in the Eastern Conference Finals and posh is showing up the games and they turn around, but yet they kept everybody, it's Keith still there. I hope so. I'll put out a stave. I'll apologize to his face. Yeah, it is sad. I really, I hate that we've gotten to this point because I loved his body of work up until, you know, not too long ago. So it is sad. But let me ask you guys a question. I sent you that chart. The doubles have the lowest goals scored above expected in the NHL by more than double. It's like, mine is 22 goals. The next team's the rangers at like 10 goals. How much of that is just a lack of talent and finishing touch versus like a mental thing like an or a luck thing? Mental. Yeah, I'll let you answer this one. Yeah, I mean, there's ebbs and floats during a season where like you can't buy a goal like shit, just like you can. There's no puck lock like, you know, puck sort of flopping up on your stick as you're going to shoot. But usually like the good teams can shoot their way out of it. I don't see it happening anytime soon there. But yeah, I'd say it's more, it's just kind of like those locks of a season, right? There's nothing you can, you know, because sometimes it do go in for a guy and sometimes they don't. So I don't know there's it's really nothing you can. Yeah, it is a very, very unlucky team, the past few years. Yeah, I'll say that. The injuries, that is like, I mean, dude, it's all luck when you look at injuries. Maybe talk about guys being smaller or more injury prone. But when you're looking at the devil's lock the past two, three years, I mean, it's it's it's probably the worst luck of any team I've seen. That's off the top. Which brings me to my point of that fucking Jesper Brat doll sitting in your office biz. I might fly to Arizona today and I have to do something. I think that you have to try to take a, you have to make a difference at this point. If you're that much of a hardcore fan, I have you ever, have you reached out to Frank the tank to ask what he thinks of a solution? Like an actual one is as opposed to yelling at his fucking phone. Yeah, why don't you guys, why don't you guys try some positivity in your life? Hey, I have been the most fucking positive devil's fan even to a deranged point for my whole fucking life. Okay. This is like the first time I've genuinely been very negative about them. So don't talk to me about positivity, but I have a solution. Frank, because of what he caused that night at dinner, it is now on him. He needs to do everything in his power to get Arnold to come and coach this fucking team or at the very least, give some pregame speeches because the devils need the power of our what's this guy? I love that idea. Schwarzenegger in the devil's what, what if they hired him as coach? I would love that everybody's playing the same systems. Anyway, who gives us shit? I mean, Kevin Stevens, two point all. All right, Pasha, that's devil's talk. All right. I would say though, boys, a lot of it does have to do with like that quote unquote, fung shui and the puck lock. Like, yeah, is I remember that year where when we went to the conference finals with Smitty, like he was playing Unreal. So we were getting the saves and all those close one goal games. It just feels like we had so much like we had so much camaraderie in the locker room that it was carrying over to the ice. Then the following season, the lockout happened. We missed that half the year. And then it felt like we didn't have any of that the next year. Like, you know, we'd hit that post. We'd lose that one goal game. We know that that that squeaker would go by on Smitty. So I think it just has a lot to do with with juju and, you know, creating that positive energy inside of a locker room, especially in hockey. Like I think that that can't be more overstated. How important that is. Yeah. And just quickly, just a nightmare for another Metro club in the New York Rangers who took one of the worst beatings I've seen this year at the hands of the Bruins who aren't necessarily an offensive powerhouse, 10 to 2 on a matinee game Saturday afternoon. Pasta had six assists. Who is it? Who's nets it off? He had four goals. I can't say I can't say his name correctly. Isaka with his first ever hat trick and just another, another post game New York Rangers media session. I've seen JT Miller, I think five or six times say this is so unacceptable. I have to be better. Troll check looked like a beaten dog at the end. I don't know what the Rangers do. You got to think penairans getting traded in the next month. Obviously that that has come to an end. Who else do you look to trade? I would say that any single player on the Rangers could be traded. Besides Shasturken who's injured a disaster for the Devils and the Rangers. And who would have guessed that at this point in the year of the Devils, the Rangers and the Islanders, that the Islanders would be the club. You talk about good jujubez. You talk about a hell of a team to watch play a fun team. They get shafering. And what are they doing as the Devils and the Rangers are trying to put out fires and just talking about disaster after disaster. They're playing hockey in Minnesota on a pond with their entire team. They got Anders Lee and his older Diana captain number nine Jersey shafer and barzel buzzing around that as a team, which is a team and some good vibes. So shout out the Islanders and the Rangers and the Devils fans. I feel sorry for you. I really do. This is a disaster of epic proportions. And it goes back to what both of you guys said, like other teams are dealing with injuries. They lost the top four defensemen. If not top five and Roman and then Paul Mary, man, like they like every team has dealt with it, especially with this condensed schedule. So credit to what Paddy Waw and Darshan have done there over the last, whatever. I mean, Paddy Waw had basically all of last season to figure things out. Another thing too. I've talked about before, like, do Claire playing like himself again out there buzzing around. And at the end of last year, I think it was Paddy Waw healthy scratched him and maybe used the media a little too aggressively to try to get to his player where Paddy Waw, I think he traveled to Montreal this off season to go talk with him face to face. Like that is that those are the types of details and things you have to do as a modern day coach in order to get through your players and get them going as hard in his balls to the wall. Night and night out as possible for you. So it's, it's awesome to see, dude. And another thing too, like the Mike Kelly with the analytics, he'll back it up. Like they're one of the tea, the fewest dumpins in the league per game. Like they're carrying things in. They're making plays over it. Like they're, they're, they're a fucking fun team to watch all of a sudden and all the analytics back that up under the hood, bitch. Yeah. And you get to see, you get to see like we've talked about it. You get to see more of these guys personalities with the new coach and new GM in there. It's been a ton of fun watching this team and just the shape for a fact, man. Could you imagine? Could any Islanders fan imagine that a 18 year old demon will come in and just absolutely turn your franchise around? It's a good question for you two guys, too. You came in as offensive defenseman. He really possesses it all. Even though you guys were a little bit older when you made your debuts and stuck around NHL, where did you feel that first season? Maybe where you hit the wall a little bit where you're like, oh my God, 82 games. Night and night out. The best players in the world, you know, you're playing 18, 20 minutes. Like when did you guys really be like, oh man, this is a, a, a different beast? But the shape or has it hit it yet? Yeah, I think when you're that young, you're just like so excited to be playing like the games, especially the games I always just loved playing in the games like the practice shit. That was kind of where you hated it, but like the games, it was so much fun. And if you're him and we weren't him with, like it would be even way more fun. If you're just out there snapping it around, getting up and playing, dominating, making a difference every single night, being the talk of the league, being talked about being on the Olympic team as an 18 year old. So I don't know if he's even going to hit that wall, especially like you said, with this condensed schedule, he hasn't, he hasn't seemed to hit a wall yet. He's going to get a little bit of a break for Olympic break. He's going to come back flying. But yeah, for me, it was more so just like being so nervous, like my first training camp, but like we interviewed him before. He didn't seem like a kid that went into a training camp nervous. Like I didn't even want to look at anyone. I was so scared of these guys, but he doesn't seem to have that. He knows he's the man and he's going to continue to do it. I, I, I was 23, I think, and I didn't make the team out of camp got called up. I think I played 68 games my rookie year, never felt a wall, right? I think I was playing with Sid, like it was not. And then the next year had a, had a real good year. My best year I had and I didn't hit a wall that year either. It was playoffs. It was playoffs where not necessarily a wall, but more like this is so much harder, right? So maybe if the, if the islanders get in, which I think they're, they're a pointer to back from first place in that division, maybe a little bit more from Carolina, but that could be when you see like, whoa, like he, he's not completely dominating every shift. He's not able to run and gun because of how much the game changes. So we'll see was that a game's Ottawa with that series. You were talking about out shot 20 nothing in the first period of game one. No, that was auto. That's the one. Did you book, did you book your expedia trip after that game? David him in three. Yeah, they, they, no, we got a game. We actually won, I think game two in Ottawa. But going to the, going to the Atlantic right now, because the Atlantic is buzzing. It's incredible what's happened with this league. I was reading an article where breeze ball GM and Tampa was talking about kind of what's happened with this division. It's pretty cool that all the powerhouses for the past few years, right? You think of Tampa, even before Florida, then they come in Boston's been good forever. Toronto's had really good teams forever. And then it was Detroit, Ottawa, Buffalo, whom I'm forgetting. Philly Montreal, Montreal that were kind of in the rebuilding, figuring out stages. Now all of those teams have improved so much, but somehow the top dogs still remain. I mean, Boston, maybe not right up there with, and Toronto not right up there with Tampa and Florida, but they're still around. But Buffalo is the one that is just, it's an incredible story. And Bizz, I'm so excited to watch you in between the benches in the key bank. And that place, let me tell you that place right now is as electric as I've ever seen it. Going back to 06 or 07, whatever that year was Saturday night, that game, Josh Dome and what he's doing, he fights Ryan Strong with six minutes to go in the third period. He'd already had an incredible assist on the second goal in the second where on a back check, he lifts the stick of, I think it was Walsh, Walshie. I don't know how to say his name. And then Krebs comes in, picks it up, feeds, Tage Thompson for a goal. They go up to nothing. You even have to look at the empty netter that Josh Norse scored Bizz. I don't know if you saw that Alex Tuck completely dominates. Whoever it was behind the net, behind the net, crushes him gives it to Norse. The place was going bonkers. And after the Josh Dome fight, it was crazy for a soft, spoken kid. I guess Shane's the same way you saw the crazy Shane Josh Dome. Oh, yeah. He looked back to the bench or he was looking at strominoes. It looked like his dad who just would lose his mind in games and was competitive as anyone. This is special, man. They've won 13 to 14. Everything's clicking. And it's just, I never saw it coming. As you know, by me saying a 0.00% chance of getting in. They are right now sitting in a wild card spot. Yeah, it's I'll never, I'll never forget that game in LA when donor was mad. Do you remember that one game when he chased Brian Boyle into the other teams locker room? I said the game. I did. They got like kicked out. They both got kicked out of the, the period say there was like five minutes left. They both got a 10 and they got kicked out and he chased the member in LA. You could get in on the team. When that happened, it was unbelievable. As Boiler about it, he was like, I was horrified. I think Boiler was right out of college too. Like just came out of college. That was before I got there. There were not time I'm talking about. I think like Dustin Brown had done something and then tip. Remember they had that point system. If you get a shot, you get a point. If you get a hit, you get a point. Tip kind of called out donor. And I think donor had like 18 points on the point system. I think donor finished the game with 12 hits, two goals and assist eight shots. So you talk about that switch that the dones possess. They're very kind lighthearted people, very into their faith. But when the wires cross, we're talking full fledged net flanders. So I would imagine that I would imagine that Josh has a little bit of that in him. And boys, when they made that trade, I'm like, God, it doesn't really make sense because I would have assumed that Josh would have needed probably another year or two to really get his feet wet and playing in a responsible top six role. Yeah. The Turk, although maybe not as reliable defensively, he has that speed. He's kind of played in that situation for a little bit longer. I am blown away at the not really the opportunity that he's been given, but what he's done with it and how his, his hockey sense in his hockey smarts are on full display. Like you he's not as fast or as big of a bully is donor out there. Like I'm not saying he's not physical, but just as far as like body position, you know, always making the right play his vision, like playmaking abilities. One thing that donor must have taught him is his net front play because his ability to tip pucks and take abuse and still find it and make plays. It's been remarkable, dude. And that's been obviously in my opinion probably outside of a T. Asanis and like the brightest, the biggest bright spot on the season so far. Byrams look good too. Byrams look at the Byram. Byram's been fucking really good. I think he's got 10 goals. 10 goals now. That's his career high too. So he's tied that and Kessel Ring who I think he re aggravated an ankle sprain. So he'll hopefully be back soon, but he was saying I think it was that just Josh Stone didn't get the chance like didn't get the opportunity in Utah. I don't think he was saying it in like a bad way. Just he's gotten more of a role here. And I think he's basically saying I think he could have done this in Utah too. It was just a matter of time if you gave him the ice time, but that that fight, it was awesome. I mean, it was just like the arena is so electric. And we talked about how many people, you know, weren't going to games and why would they for so long now? I bet you that tick that Wednesday night business is going to be insane in there. I bet you're going to be blown away at what you're seeing from those fans and Byram. So Byram's taken over the second PP role from Owen Power and G has in the outline here that Nick Kiprios was saying that the Sabers have some good young prospects, depth in the system and could be a sleeper team to not only be buying at the deadline, but also sign Alex Tuck, right? I talk about like what he means to that team. You got to think that they are looking or at least listening on Owen Power deals. I know a young, enormous first overall pick. He can move. You do not want to give up on him. But if you think you're going to have Byram for a while and you have Dali, and like maybe that is something where you're going to net an enormous return. So that's probably something that Sabers fans, I bet you they're arguing about, like hold on to power. He's so young. He's still be so good. Or let's see what we could get for him. I don't know. That's just definitely it. I there has to be teams asking about him. No, I was just going to say like when a team's going like this, though, you don't want to shake up too much, right? Like what do you think they need to get them to that next next level? Where if they were going to get rid of power, which is he was first overall pick, wasn't he? Like you're getting rid of a guy like that. You're going to get some good return, great return, right? But what would you want back if you were a Sabers fan? I know. I mean, I feel like you're, I feel like you're okay on D. Gold. I think I think you need to, you need to add up front. But here's the thing though, as critical as I've been on power, I think now that they got Byram, click on the way that he's clicking offensively, it now is one less thing for power to worry about. If I'm them, I try to get through to them and say, just get your base. We need you to be and I think he's been a lot better. Like people expect because he got paid, what he got paid, because what he was when he came in, drafted first overall, they're expecting this, they're expecting to lead. They're expecting to lead. They're expecting to lead. They're expecting, expecting Victor headman, where maybe that's not him ever, but it's definitely not him right now. So let him play five on five, let him kill penalties. Let's see if he can find a little bit more, worry less about the offensive side, worry more about finding a little bit more aggression in your game. Take more time and space away from forwards. Worry more about your gaps and you know, 45 second shifts hard and off. Be a piece of shit in the pain of playing to play against, especially in front of your own net. And like I said, I think over the course of this stretch of games here, this last 15, I think he has done a better job of that. I personally as hard as I've been, I would not give up on him this early. Because even if you get what I just said, at $8 million as big as he is, as good of a skater as is, as much ice as he takes up, I think he could be a very valuable asset moving forward. So let's hope he's just slotted in properly. And with all that and with maturity, maybe in three years, two, three years, he is like running the second power play. Maybe he is playing 22, 23 every night. In mind, you still kind of doing that now. So they have a lot of good defensemen. They're getting solid goal tending. As Jan said, I would not shake that up right now. Because he seems also like a very likable guy in the locker room as well. So let's hope he can kind of find that next level, much like Samuelson have, Byram Dahlene, and the list goes on. And you do see and we talk copycat league and the giant big defenseman that you've seen Vegas win with and Florida win with. And then even Ryan Wassowski and San Jose was talking about it after their game. So, hey, this is a giant, enormous defense. And that we have signed long term that we picked first overall. We know how good he's going to be. So yeah, just I think it's definitely a discussion, though, between Sabers fans. Maybe ask around biz when you're in town. Here's one for you. Like what about the way that Bowle Mr. played when he was with St. Louis when they wanted? Like to me is what I would like to see out of own power. Like I hope that it's being communicated to him where it's like, Hey, we don't need this 60 70 point defenseman. We got that with the end. And fuck, we almost got it with Byram now. This is where where you can really help us out. You got your money. You don't need any points to get paid. Play this solid 2022 minutes tonight and we're going to be a winning playoff hockey team. Great point. So now we're going to we're going to go to Tampa. And I, I, you've brought up the no Jack Adams, John Cooper thing for years. It's, it's, it's, it's looking right now like it's, it's finally going to change. I mean, what they've done, they've won nine straight. And the most incredible thing you guys talked about it. And Pasha's blaming the injuries and I'm talking about the bad luck. And you talk about the islanders grinding through injuries. Nobody's had to deal with it like Tampa. They've played a lot of this year without headman, McDonough and Cernac. Three of your top four D out for long periods of stretch. And they are just the class, the class of the Atlantic. They're not in first right now. Detroit is, but they have, I think maybe four if not three games in hand. Kuchirov is at a completely different level. He's a freak. Did you see the game against Philly Saturday? You see his first two goals? The first one. Point gives him a sick backhand pass. He's literally in the crease. One of his feet might be touching the crease. He takes a full clapper from four feet away from the goalie. And it goes shelf. There's one. The next one he's, he's wheeling out of his own zone. He gives it to point who makes this sickle move to the middle, gives it back to him. And then Kuchirov just wheels around the side and snipes one with a snapshot from like top of the circle, even a little outside that. And they go on to put up seven. You can't beat him right now. They're built. I don't, I don't even understand how they're built with. They have, note, they every year they're all in, right? Last year they get, they get Yorkstrand. They get Gord. They're coming off three first round exits. So there's worry, right? There's worry. But the people who said their window was closed. I think I might have been one of them. We're, we're, we're very, very wrong once again. It honestly just looks like this team is like, okay, we've had enough with Florida winning. We've had enough with every other team beaten us. And it's our time to fucking show who we are again. Like we still have all these guys. We still have guys that can win. We still have John Cooper coaching us. We still got Vassian net. Like it's almost like they looked themselves in the mirror like, boys, we're still the fucking Tampa Bay Lightning that we know we are. And they're playing like it right now. And it just looks fun, right? Like they got guys like radish. Like no one ever heard of him. He's got 12 talks this year coming in. He probably wouldn't have gotten the opportunities that he's getting without those injuries. But he has fucking taken it and grabbing it. He's going to set himself up this summer. But it's just finding ways to win games when guys are out. And they're doing that. They look like they're having so much fun. They're scoring it well. They're playing hard. Like they're still that piece of shit team. And that's a good thing in hockey people. If you're a piece of shit team, that is a really good thing. And they got that in them. They got it in them. They're getting it. They'll put their bathing suit on your fucking wooden table. I would say like you said, I said, there's like eight to 10 games a year where you see them getting in like full line balls where guys have their gloves off. It's they are dogs. And it's funny that we got Tom Brady on this one. And I think the the term he used, he said, at 25 I was good at 30. I was great at 35. I'd basically mastered the craft. That's where I feel like we're a kuturov. Is that like he he's an assassin. He's cracked the code in his brain. He knows exactly what he's going to do with the puck before he gets it. He knows where his line mates are going to be. He knows exactly what to do on the power play. And it it all starts with him. And Mike, I'm just going to go over his numbers here. And this is there's two years in between this where he didn't play a full slate. The year the first cop he played 68 games. The year after that, he didn't even plan the regular season. And actually, I'm going to go three years. The year after that, he only played 47 regular seasons. So let's take the two years before that. He hit the hundred point mark for the first time. Then the year following that, he was 128. And then the next time he played a full season, full 82, 113 points, then he had the 144 season. Last year, it was 121. And now in 39 games this year, he's got 65. And he's probably going to get well over 100 points. Like this is like this is a guy who's going to go down as one of the best wingers of all time. Like I would say probably top easily top 10 all time. I can't think of like all the great. I mean, that's that's a big time statement. But what he's doing now, he's not slowing down. I mean, he's played what 830 games has over a thousand points. Maybe maybe less games. Dude, he's got eight four two games over a thousand points, 159 at this point. When I brought up Mick David and and and needing and waiting for him to go on the the 40 20 game 40 point run, which I believe right now it's 18 games 43 points on his his longest career points streak 18 games 43 points. That's what dude. Who true off in his last 21 has 46 points. So you always talk dry, settle and McKinnon and McDavid and I do it more than anyone. And he just sits there in Tampa and not many people talk about him. And he fucking dominates every single season. And then he gets in these modes where it's crazy and you talk about mincey mode piece of shit. He's a complete piece of shit. He's probably probably the dirtiest skilled player in the NHL. Like he is he will spear you. He will cross check you. He will elbow you, which hey, probably creates more room for him. He does not give a fuck. I never knew until I think Pat Maroon might have been the first guy that told me how insane. Like dedicated he is and how every single day in the summer he's on the ice alone. The same traits as the other greats. But watching him play it's he is so smooth. It's complete silk out there and then add that in with like a kind of a prick switch that he can flip. It's incredible. And points back and points now doing his thing. But just to not have those 3D I mentioned off the hop. It's wild to see. And Breeze bought talks about not having draft picks. Like I don't care. Like our window we don't believe it's closed. Like that is years down the road. We're trying to win. I'd rather have really good hockey players on my team than draft picks. And every organization's different what they're looking for it in certain times. But this has been a long run for them. Dude, you go back to when they lost the cup final with coup to Chicago. What was that was that 15 15. Yeah, when that's 11 years ago. They've been in the mix. One of the years they set the record that the Bruins then broke and lost in the first round. They still have two cups. So incredible. And we just to go back to that stretch right. I gave you those three years he didn't hit the 100 point mark. The year he had 68 games played he had 85 points. So well over a point per game. He sat out that full next season. Decided a let's put the gear back on for playoffs here when they won another Stanley Cup. The back to back and he had 32 points in 23 games after not playing one god damn regular season. And that was the and that was did he have the t-shirt on? What did he say after that cup about LTR as I could understand. I could understand. We're pulled. Ship face. Yeah. Just mocking everyone that was furious about the LTIR. They pretty much began that LTIR madness that Vegas then took over as the kings with the Mark Stone. We played them that year first round and that was that was during the COVID where you kind of you'd play a team like three times in a row. So we were in Tampa for like a week and he wasn't skating. He just go out there and practice after and everyone was like, oh, he's not even going to play and play off. So I'm like, he's going to play. He was just out there by himself dominant. It's like just looking so nasty. Like it was so effortless for him. Then he comes into a playoff situation where that series was one of the best series ever. And he just absolutely dominated. It was like he'd been playing all year and nobody else had been playing all year. Horseburg did it. Horseburg and him. They could. They I think they're the only two that missed the whole regular season and let lead led the playoffs and scoring. It's alien stuff. Yeah. Anytime you're being mentioned in that conversation, but just going back to breeze, blah, they're scouting staff. How they're able to reload. And then of course, coop like with the 3D being missed for majority of the time. And then I'm still doing what they're doing nine in a row. Like, coop has to be way at the top of the list to finally crack his first jack Adams. That's the one takeaway from all this that has to get hammered down. I'd say it's Koopin Wersoski one and two from me right now for for jack Adams. And he might win the jack Adams. Fuck. Celebrity just quickly. He has 70 points. The next closest is two guys with 32. So if they're in the playoffs, I don't care if McDee's the 155. He's winning the heart. This isn't Atlantic. This isn't Atlantic. Kind of show today. Last thing on Buffalo. I forgot looking at my notes. Josh don't leads the NHL takeaways. We got to mention that one. That's a pretty sick. Wow. That's a unreal style. That's a style. That's Duke style. So where are we going next? And that's all effort. That's all that is his effort, right? Like he's getting on the back check. He's good in the corners, putting himself in the tough positions. But that's all effort and anyone can do that. Grinnelli, Grinnelli two things he wants to mention. Josh don't he. Grinnelli guarantees on team USA at the next Olympics. The Grinnelli guarantee. I got to guess that things. Hitting at a maybe seven percent. Yeah, cancel out. cancel out. They'll be playing for Latvia. And then Grinnelli also says that. And I kind of like this. I see this guy in their system. Is Kanak's going full rebuild Tampa, Conor Garland. That is something that they can pull off. That is something that I could see them. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I bet you they go after Sherwood before they go after Conor Garland. Yeah, he. He's a reason why I see it. The reason why Garland might make sense is because he's got term left on his contract. Or is he always like the term or because Garland just. Garland just signed. Yeah. But we're key for Sherwoods making a million and a half this year. So to be able to slide him in and also sign him. That that could be a potential. They might not have the draft picks though. So someone who does have the draft picks and what the team I actually meant by that is Buffalo Sabers. I think Conor Garland is a perfect fit in Buffalo. They have tons of draft picks, tons of prospects. They have all the Kenak's ownership came out yesterday and said we're going full rebuild. It's time they did. Yeah, they did. Rotterfoot was I think was Rotterfoot and Alvin came out and said it's time. I don't believe it until. What the fuck? What the fuck? Unless bullboy says it, I don't believe it. So in the Atlantic still Detroit buddy, this whole division, 72 and one in their last 10 John Gibson boys. He's on fire. Was he one 12 of his last 14? Yes, 12 of his last 14. Big win against Montreal Saturday night four, nothing. I think the coolest thing that's happened with Detroit in this past week is JVR showing up officer to Fias Keith calls him in a full Batman costume. It was the same costume I believe I had on for Halloween because it was his son's fourth birthday and he said, Dad, I want you to dress up as Batman. That's fucking hilarious. Somebody tweeted, this is why they made the no dress code rule in the NHL for women's thing. Well, I thought I texted him. I thought he was like late for the bus because I know usually sleeps in his Batman pajamas. So I thought he just like rushed to the bus and forgot to put his suit on. But did you guys see the video that they made for the first son? No. They made a video with like three of the other guys addressed this, dressed as superheroes. It was unbelievable. I'll send it and have them post it. But it's so cool. But this team and just speaking of reamer, reamer with that like they got the perfect amount of veterans, right? They got good older guys that can be around, teach these guys. JVR has been around forever. Knows what it takes, can or knows what it takes. And the young guys are helping each other and the older guys are there for them. So I love the makeup of this group. And like you said, John Gibson is playing like he did in Anaheim in 2010. It's been been awesome to see. Yeah, you have to give a lot of credit to Steve Irzeman for remaining patient, especially when the entire fan base was ready to fucking lose their minds about the lack of playoffs. And what has it been 11 years now? Maybe 10 to 11. But one of the, yeah, one of the issues that he added, address was goal tending and Talbot was fine. It was just sometimes if he would dip off, who was the guy that you went to. And now the fact that they got those two guys. And Gibson didn't also have the best of starts this season. Where Talbot actually had the net more. So great to see that tandem working together. And hey, you ride the hot hand. Gibson's been buzzing. He's been rejuvenated. And I don't think you can say enough. I mean, just like we pump breezebois tires and their staff for the way they draft develop, they retool. I mean, so far a lot of these young players for Detroit are looking good. And I know that that Quinn Hughes trade might have been looking very enticing to them and to rush things and get it done. But it didn't, it didn't feel right at the right time. So, but yet they keep on chugging. So credit to Detroit. And also, to me, it was also part of the juju that they created at the start of the year with the fact that Sergei Federov's number was going to go to the rafters. And it just so happens that it's happening tonight in Detroit. Some very funny content. Darren McCarthy is, McCarthy has been documenting it, taken selfie videos. They had like the master's lunch or dinner yesterday style with, with celebrating Sunday and whatever he wanted to eat. They had the Russian caviar out. So it's, it's a lot of things looking up right now in Detroit. It's a fun fan base to follow when that's the case. Ever since the eyes are your eyes are the eyes are pan, eyes are pan. Ever since then, they've been hot, man. And it's you should take a little bit of the credit. Yeah, I will. Okay, good. But even I think Gibson is first game with Detroit. He got pulled in the first game like just the resiliency from him playing so well. But I played with Talbot in New York. He's an unbelievable backup. Like he can come in and get hot for you, right? Like if Gibson's struggling at any point, he can come and take the net for four or five games and be unreal. But this teams on like Lucas Raymond. How good is this kid? He's fucking awesome. Dylan Larkin is playing. He plays both sides of the puck so hard. Like you're going to see it. See it on team USA. He won't be playing at, you know, top six role probably. But just like what he brings to that team, you can tell he is second-tied or not being in the playoffs. And you know, they're shown at every night. They're, they play hard. They play for each other. And you know, what always says it when Detroit's in the playoffs. The leagues in a better place. I love Detroit. They got the cane magic. Also, as you mentioned, like the goalie and how he had to go out and do something now. They got Augustine at Michigan State. And then the Sebastian is a cost cost cost cost. He's 17 and one in the AHL with a 168 goals against and a 937 save for seven. So they got like they want to bring a guy in. That's one of those guys could get moved out, right? You bring in a big team who needs a goalie. And the Fedorov thing, sorry to just get up quick. Just the coolest guy of all time. The biggest. And my question about Fedorov was, who to you is a current Sergey Fedorov? Like who compares to Sergey Fedorov? I would say Austin probably just like Austin Matthews with the style. Defensively. Good defensively. Okay, I liked that one. Just like the style, the swagger that he has. Gee, it's not pasta. Pasta is never winning the Selkie trophy. The same year he wins MVP. It's not pasta. Gee, that's a granelli guarantee. But he maybe the swagger part, I can see a little bit like the way, but you meant the whole game in every. I just meant as a hockey player. I would say Josh Dong. Yeah, same. Yeah, I'd say big poppy. That's a great call. I mean, it's hard. It's because when you're not bad. But he Fedorov was a little bit faster, maybe. Yeah, he flashed here. I don't, I wouldn't say Capri Soft is that unreal defensively. But like the Russian aspect, but the Russian aspect, the offensive flare, how he can wheel on his own in the offensive zone. Coach coaches carrying it up the ice looks similar. Yeah. Coach can be a little bit lazzadezical in a sense of like on the way back, but hey, fucks who he's fuck. I just rode you off his numbers. I let him bang my old lady if he was on my team. If you put up those numbers, fuck. Antick your dog. Yeah, antique. Hey, but wait, you were saying that we're heavy on the Atlantic. And this is, I don't know if this is exactly up to date, but this is why it's so hard to make up any type of ground. Detroit seven, two and one Tampa nine and one, Montreal dealing with all the injuries they've dealt with. And we could talk about Demodov and where you think he ranks as far as the rookie of the year. He might be fed her off. Yeah, there's six, two and two in their last 10 buffalo. By the way, buffalo is still a wagon. You have to lose back to back games to lose wagon status. And they have not done that every time they've faltered, they've won the next game. So they're nine and one. Well, man, you're coming into town. That's a little bit of a worry. And then Toronto don't even get me start seven, one and two in their last 10. So we haven't even mentioned Boston. You know, it's it's fucking crazy what's going on in the Atlantic. The toughest division in the league right now. And we can they were the worst division for a while, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was a buffalo. Even before Florida got real good, it was just Boston, Toronto Tampa. Yeah, Florida came and yeah, those other teams. Now the only team that is going through it is Ottawa. I want to show it out. Brady Katox answer and discussion to the media when addressing those rumors. Like, talk about a guy you don't want pissed off. He was fuming. You could tell. I think he said it's fucking bullshit. I think he said that a few times. Almost like, do not ask me this again. This is a fucking joke. You want to I like how he said you want to you want to critique us for our play. You want to critique us for our losses. No problem. But that stuff was fucking bullshit. So he made that clear and Ottawa continues to struggle. So that's the one team. And man, 97 points last year, they give the Leafs a good goal. They were down three, but they made it a series. I was expecting big things. And it's just been a disaster. So I don't know what auto was going to do. I don't think it figured out. But as you said it, like you can you just can't gain ground. It's so hard. Every game seems like it goes to overtime or a shootout. You know, everyone's getting points. It's it's nuts. And last thing on Detroit. Sorry. This was a tweet I saw. Just wanted to mention maybe get your guys opinion. The 2021 NHL draft. If you look at it, it was it was a tough draft. Similar to mine. 2002. There's a lot of Detroit fans saying Simon Edvinson who went six could be the first overall pick. If you redrafted it right now. Now, I'll give you some names quickly. It was own power went first. Then Beniers went second Mason. McTavish third Luke Hughes. Fourth Kent Johnson. After that man. Why a Johnson's down there. That's a possibility. But I think and Dylan Gunn there was ninth. But I kind of could see the argument from Detroit fans on what Edvinson looks like. How young he is. How good he's going to be as being a guy. If you went back and did it, could go first overall on that. So it's not just cider. Biz, you now get the chance to talk about the Leafs. It sucks. It really hurts that I can't be the one laughing. And it's your time. Keith took the headphones out. He's not listening. But go ahead. It's been impressive. Well, this could be a discussion, boys. I mean, if you want to start with the power play. Since unfortunately since Savard let go. Like that's a tough thing right before Christmas. But Sullivan takes over. And they're clicking at 40%. Like that is alleviated a lot of pressure off of them. As far as their offense. And remember, there's still one of the higher scoring teams in league per game. I want to say that they're in the top eight right now. Uh, penalty kill. You actually, if we're talking about the full Atlantic, I think that four of the top teams in the top six in the league are from the Atlantic division. So all of them are buzzing right now. That's been the one bright spot. Derek Lillon took that over and they have been humming despite the injuries of missing your, your best defensive defense been in TANF. And then having Carlo out as long as he's been out. Uh, since Carlos has been back, buddy, like it was a very difficult start to the season for him. But he has now filled that hole of missing TANF where he's been a beast. I think he got to belt the other night in the locker room. A men's amongst all the commotion and celebration with the Mojo that they got going on. Dole me fighting in that game against Vancouver and like taking on a little bit more of that aggressor role. Like Barube was, was loving it. Obviously, Matt, can we not agree? Matthews is just simply back to normal. Yeah, we can stop because. Great for us. Yeah, he was awesome timing. Buddy, you could throw the potential back issues out the window, which I didn't know if they were going on because I agree with a lot of people. In the first half of the season, maybe didn't look exactly like the Pablo were used to seeing, but getting used to new line mates. I speak into like Michele, like world, world of difference guys. And I know that you guys threw a couple insults my way. Like, oh, yeah, they're going to replace all those points that they missed with Marner with the, you know, two extra, two, three extra guys that they brought in. Can we not agree that if Michele keeps playing the way these playing? Like, I'm okay with saving some money and having him on the wing. Like, I don't know. Marner was, come on. Buddy, you got to, you have to snap the money around and plug holes in other areas. And that's what they've done. Like, Nick Mann's been fucking unbelievable. We're going to get to hit tribute soon. The Dakota Joshua's, I think like goal tending. I mean, held the beast in wall despite the injuries and in and out in the goalie rotation. Like each goalie's obviously played some substantial time this season. But between held the beast and wall, they're fucking kicking right now. And that's huge. And I've talked about how strong they are in net. You have a blank stare in your face. You don't seem too impressed. No, I'm, I am. I am impressed. Like, info. I'm taking it out of the playoffs. That's kind of what I was look. I was actually looking at the standings while you were talking. That explains the blank face. Uh, also like, you know, not very, very smart. Sometimes so I think my blank face is just like me, like trying to like process. But yeah, out of the playoff, but, but, but, hey, one point out of the playoffs. And it was a lot uglier before. So everything you're saying is true. Everything you're saying is true. And then I just, Neil and Neilander comes back after injury and, and having us tits out in the press box. He had what one and two the other night. So it's just like, it's good vibes and Toronto. I love seeing the clips of inside the locker room. And it's more about, it's more about the fact that lately, I've just been like, up, up, up, like a proud fan watching them. Because like, maybe the expectations aren't as high as, as they were in years past without having Mariner and figuring out things without him. But I would say over the last 10 games, man, like, that's the identity I want my team playing with. And if they end up snake sneaking a wild card, that's all I've asked for. If they make playoffs and they're playing the way that they're playing now, I think that they're a dangerous team. There's nobody in the East that scares me. This is not that this is not the Western conference. There's no Vegas. There's no Edmonton. There's no Dallas. There's no Colorado. No, no Minnesota. We're talking about an even playing field here in the East. Maybe not as strong in the West, but buddy. You just got to keep plowing away and get there. And I got hockey illuminati coming on right now, boys. And I know like normally he comes on and he's fucking telling you all these crazy things about why we think it's our year. Although we still sure he will have some of those. It's more about to break down what he saw and to specifically talk about this gesture from Bobby McMahon. So hockey illuminati. Look at the Stanley Cup behind you. You cannot have that cup and you rule. No, why not? Why not? Ballas did you miss me? The illuminati has dropped in from the portal. Okay. I really thought the last time I was going to or last time when I signed off with you guys, I thought the next time I've been coming on, I would be teeing up Leafs, Carolina, Easter conference final, that did not work out, obviously. No, no. And with the Stanley Cup in the background, okay, what you got to understand is there's, I figured I'm going to use the cup as a planter this year. Okay, this is a plant that I picked up from the region of our year. Okay. And I was told by the botanist that the flowers would start blooming in the spring. So this is what we're doing this year. We're planting the seeds early for the, that's like golf courses. Ironically enough. That's what happens to golf courses. Flowers, golf and you throw off and you're lovingly, yeah, I'm on vacation. Yeah. Hey, listen, this year it's been a very, very weird, different year. We knew it was going to be a transition that it was going to be, and he's we're going to look and feel a lot different without Michi. And we had more injuries than anybody else beginning of the year. And it was, it was really ugly. And the sky was falling every other day here in Toronto. But thanks to Austin Matthews, that's what really sparked this. I mean, we're talking about survived. And whatever that caused, maybe the boys felt bad about one of their lads losing a job right for Christmas. And that woke them up. But really, this turnaround started with Matthews showing some spunk. And that's what it has to be. It's from the top down. It's from the top down. And all of a sudden we start to see, hey, there's that old vintage poppy that we know and love. And when he's on his game, he's one of the best. And we've just seen the trickle down effect. And you know, busy mentioned, the glue guys like like, Lotton and and Domi are making this feel like more of a team. Troy Stetcher has been such a revelation for this team. You know, and like, what we've seen him do this year, wicking into the camera, doing the Maximus Gladiator, plumping the crowd up, these may seem like little things. But leaf fans are not used to seeing their players acting like them. You know, the guys are in bubble wrap in Toronto. And it's little things like this set that are bit by bit maybe changing the culture. Like we saw the guys making fun of Eastern Callan when he was doing his post game interview. Another day of walking, probably popping out their teasing, it looks like a team. And to your point is all we want in Leaf Nation is we just want to be proud to be fans. And we want to see the boys empty the tank and show the fan base. They know how sacred it is to play for this team. Oh, that's all you guys want. They want to stay up in the play. I'm going to want lower ticket prices. We want our arena to be a little louder. You know, there's a lot of things you want. Yeah, there's a lot of things we really want to beat your, your Panthers last year. I'm still dealing with that trauma. And I will be probably for the rest of my life. How cool was it seeing Lawton come out the in pregame skate and offer up the boys 250 to the MVP of the pregame skate? Like the hands is we have to play with them and Philly and adding character guys like that and guys who really make a long 82 game season, especially when it's condensed. And maybe the body and mine are worn down a little bit. Having a guy who's bringing that much humor and and and and levity to a locker room is the world of difference. And the hands like you saw it firsthand. Yeah, I mean, he told the story when he was on the other day. Like you may show up to the rink and he's in the hot tub with the team chef. Like it's it's little things like that. But like he said throughout a 82 game season, you need some you need some clowns in the locker room. You need, but he's also a guy like he's a clown in the locker room. But he's probably playing with a broken foot, a broken hand. Like the guy's a complete warrior. He's given 110% every night and he's from there. Right. So he's got that extra, you know, sense of pride to be putting on that jersey every night. You know how how important it is to that group and you see it, right? Like their locker room stuff that they got going right now is so cool. Chief looks like he's ready to kill anyone he wants to. But just a fun group to watch right now as much as I hate to say, especially with you on here, Illuminati. Yeah, and so that warms my heart, buddy. I know you were really excited to have me come on today, you know. And and yet I know yours, but I know you got a soft spot for the least somewhere in your heart, buddy. I know what's there. Um, before before it goes on, um, well, I was going to ask you about, uh, well, you mentioned Scotty Lawton and the gladiator move. Was that something that you think really galvanized the boys, Illuminati? It got not just the boys, but the fan base, you know, like again, the yacht club is a real thing. That's a real thing. The rate is a joke. Okay. The atmosphere man, I was there on Saturday and even though it's big five or thing, when we're staying Cooper, man, that's a big problem. And it's it's little things like that that galvanized, not just the players, but but the fans. And again, we're not used to seeing our players necessarily act like that, especially, you know, in the, you know, this era will call it. So that does that does do a big thing. And you know, Max, don't me, man, Max, don't we drop in the gloves other night and scrap in someone twice as big as him with a smile on his face. Max is such a key facilitator of passion for the team and the fan base because of who his dad is. But man, like he's always joke that like Max told me is like the best worse player. Like sometimes you won't notice him. And then there are other nights where he's like, wow, like this guy is unbelievable when he's on his game. And we need him locked in every single night. We need Neil under locked in every single night. 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That was incredible. I would have been fine with that. So he's a horse man and he's only fine free and he's still. He's had a good season, but he's had a good season, but he's still got room to grow, man. Like he would have needed to light it. Wanted right? Yeah, to get on that. Our fourth. I don't know, Biz with Cal and what do we think? Like it's hard to judge a teenager, you know, like, all I know right now is he's bringing the passion and that movie had the other night where he dodged the, the, the four checker for Florida and then ended up starting the whole playoff and then finished it off at the other end. I've just been so proud of him in the way that he's progressed. Robert Sins been awesome, especially with the opportunity he's been given. And I know we spent a lot of time in the Leafs as we always do because I'm a hardcore Leaf fan and you are. But the main reason why I brought illuminati who's one of the biggest Leafs fans out there on today was because of a gesture that sparked the conversation I had with illuminati yesterday. I was, I was, I never expected yesterday to be full on balling my eyes out. But I guess I'll start the story here. So you posted to your Instagram a tribute to a gentleman named Kevin who worked at the law blog in Toronto near where you live. And you would go in there all the time and you guys had obviously gained friendship and would chat about the Leafs, take pictures together, joke around about the highs and lows of being a Leafs fan. And it also just so happens that Bobby McMahon doesn't live too far from where you guys are at and also attends the same law blogs. Well, it's tragedy struck guys and Kevin ended up losing his life. And after that tribute that you posted, Elliot Friedman then posted it to Hockey Night in Canada with Bobby McMahon walking in with a vest that Kevin would wear at work. Probably because when you're grabbing all the cards sometimes it's dark, it's a reflector on it just so you don't get ran over. And that was kind of, I guess that was his signature vest. Right? Everybody knew him always wearing that. So Bobby McMahon pays tribute by walking into the ring with that vest on. It's on Hockey Night in Canada. And then I think yesterday, well, I'm going to call, I'm going to call illuminati. I actually saw that on his timeline a few days ago. And then I'll throw it over to you illuminati. This is the conversation we ended up having and eventually led me to tears. Yeah. And now it's being picked up by CBC and Global and all the Hockey pages on Instagram are reposting. And what I want to do is just add some context to who this guy was and why he was so special. Right? And I really appreciate you inviting me on who shine the the Chicklets platform light on this on this fellow who was one of the kindest, sweetest men I've ever met. And Leaf Nation, no hockey team has more fans than Leaf Nation. I can legitimately say Kevin was one of the biggest, most diehard fans and the most optimistic guys there there was. And he passed away at only 48 during the Flyers game Leafs Flyers during the game last week. So I'm going to try. And I'm not I'm not I'm not going to lay anything on here for theatrics or to make this, you know, a compelling story. I'm going to rip it raw right now with what happened and what I experienced last week. So I've been living in Fort York here in Toronto for the last four years. And I start going into the law blogs when I moved in here across the street at Lake Shore and Bathurst. And I'd always go in and see this sweet guy in his best and Leaf gear pushing the carts. And our relationship started with just little head nods on Game Day. Like, hey, big big one tonight. Let's get a little fist ball. Big one, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that slowly starts to develop into okay, you know, I'd see him we're talking about the games. I would just see last night. We'd have our own little seconds, you know. And and that developed into into a legitimate friendship. And you know, eventually he found out that I was, you know, the illuminati and the social media guy. And and I can tell he was really just, he loved talking to me and and I always made time to make him feel like he was special. And Bobby McMahon, who also is a frequent at that law blogs, he lives in the area. Same thing. You know, I think Bobby recognized that Kevin, but not always your sweetheart, who wears his, wears his, who loves the buds. Kevin was, Kevin was born slow. He was on the spectrum. He was on terrible disability, on on terrible disability. You should not have been working as doctors or, you know, the government suggested, maybe you shouldn't be working, but Kevin said, no, I can't sit still. And I need to be, I need to be out and, you know, with my people and working, okay? So these are some of the little details I started to learn about his life as time goes on. And and we really developed the real friendship. And of, you know, sometimes I'd pop over the law blogs during intermission during a leaf game and he'd be like, oh, I'm taping the game, don't tell me the store, don't tell me the store. This guy worked five, six days a week. He didn't often have a chance to watch the leaf games live. He would have to record them and take the bus home and watch him later at night. You know, sometimes I'd be shopping, I'd be in the aisles that I'd, I'd hear, I'd hear him at the end of the aisle. He'd say, holy machin' honor, just see the goal from Matthew's last night, illuminati, you know, just little things like that that made the grocery shopping experience fun, you know, not just read, but for other people that were leaf fans. And this is just my story. There's a lot of people in the Fort York community who are leaf fans who would probably share similar things. But, but Kevin, you know, sometimes I put them on my, on my illuminati channels on my story in fun ways and yet a goofy, funny sense of humor and, oh, Bobby McMahon's in aisle seven. He's buying macaroni, you know? So, yeah, we developed this beautiful, almost like brother bond. And I always took time to make him feel like he was special because I knew he looked at me in the same light as one of the players, even though I'm certainly not that, but, you know, being the social media guy. So, last week, I got a call from his number, you know, we would often text, you know, after the game or whatever, oh, Bigwin, it was his wife calling to tell me that he had slipped into a coma and had passed away. And it hit me like, it hit me like one of Max Domis punches to whatever that was last week he was spiting into the face. And his wife, his wife asked me, his wife who's also on disability and currently in a wheelchair said, can you, can you get down to the hospital for me to take a photo of him because I'm going tomorrow and I need to mentally prepare myself for what I'm going to see. So, and again, I'm not, I'm not, fellas, if you told me, if someone told me last week that I'd be telling what am I about to tell on chicklets and that this would be being picked up, I've seen no way. Come on. So, I'm, so anyways, I said, of course, so I hopped on my bike. I bike to save bikes hospital, which is not far. I went to the ICU and there he was. And, and I talked to Docker for a moment. I said, I said, what's going on? He said, he slipped into a coma five days ago. And he's, we're just keeping him alive right now. We're just keeping his heart alive. I mean, we have to pull the plug. He's going to be a vegetable. And I said, I said, Doc, I said, has anyone come to visit him in the last five days? And he said, no. And I found out later in talking to his wife that heaven was really badly imbused as a kid and his family, you know, either abandoned him or didn't have the capacities to take care of him, but he came from a broken home. So, or guys sit there and so I sat down beside him and I brought a little leaf sticker and I put a little leaf sticker on his wristband. And, and the doc said, you know, he's in a coma. He can't hear you, you know, but his heart is alive. His heart still bumping. And I said, well, I said, if his heart's still pumping, then he's not, he's not gone. Okay, he may be, his brain may be dead, but, but you can, you can speak from the heart. You can also listen from the heart. Okay. And wherever, wherever our consciousness, wherever our awareness, wherever our soul goes and we pass on, it sees what's happening down here in moments like that. And I sat, I sat with Kevin and I fell as I'm not making this up again. I'm not making this up for theatrics. I promised you I sat there and I put on the highlights from the night before against Billy, the Joe Bowen highlights. And when I put the highlights on, I put the phone next to his bed at fellas, I, my head to God, what I did that and the highlights started his hand jerked. And I said, Doc, did you see that? And he said, oh, that's just a reflex. That's just a natural reflex. Well, there are some things conventional medicine. You know, we can't explain everything with science. And I don't believe it. That was just a reflex. And again, I left and, and I never thought I'd be sharing what I went through last week on, on checklists. And now, and then speaking with his wife just to wrap up, you know, learning more about his life, you know, I've been helping his wife out with Spinoir Age and things like that. And, and Kevin, all, she said to me, she said, all, Kevin ever wanted was to see the leaves from the cuck. It's a have friends. That's all he wanted, she said. And that's why he went to law blogs. And I'll never forget there was one day he asked me like, almost like he was asking me to like be his girlfriend. He was like, Frank, will you be my friend? Of course, I'll be your friend. What kind of question is that, buddy? I love you. And he did the same thing with Bobby McMahon. At one point, he asked Bobby, he said, Bobby will be my friend. And Bobby said, yeah, you know, and it, and he, and I know this because he told his wife and his wife has been recounting now, some of the things that the conversations they would have in private, right? And that's why she reached out to me because she was going through Kevin's phone, looking for a friend. There I was. And it happened to be, it happened to be me. And, and you know, Bobby McMahon is a, is a McMahon of the people for what he did. And, um, having had big dreams, he wanted to be a social media star once he found out I was one. He wanted to play for the Leafs. He was a goalie. He played hockey growing up. And he used to tell me sometimes the wall of lies, just see the way the Leafs played last night, put me in that. I can do better than that. And he's like genuinely believed he could go in that. You know, like he was like, put me in that can do better than the wall did last night or whatever. And I just, you know, I know that the tribute that Bobby did in the in the reaction from the hockey community and especially the Leaf Nation man, it's, it's, I'm, I'm, I'm fucking going away. And, and like, I've been, it's been hitting me and strides last couple of days and find myself crying. And, and right now we're trying to raise money for his widow, um, who again is also on disability. And yeah, we have a GoFundMe going on right now that the link is in my, in my hockey, my Instagram bio, um, for the GoFundMe. And, um, I just, I know that Kevin's looking down right now and smiling. And, you know, one last thing I'll say about Bobby McMahon, you know, somewhere, somewhere, I've been a Leaf in my whole life. And somewhere along the line, maybe somewhere in the, in the 2010s era, somewhere in that era, a disconnect kind of started between the organization and the fans where they were became two separate entities. You had the team and the players and the fans and they were separate. Somewhere, somewhere along the line that happened. And I feel like, you know, Bobby doing it, making a gesture like that. Man, that's, that's bridging the gap a little bit that we need. There, there is it, there, there has been a disconnect between the fan base and the players' organization for a while now here. And Austin Matthews, there the week went to went to a, a middle school here somewhere in Toronto and surprise some kids, you know, you guys are having a lot of Leafs on this year. Oh, it's been your best season of checklists, I think. Well, I'll leave you pad on. You know, great. Keep coming, keep coming boys. You guys are doing a big thing as well there. So, so it, this is about, this is about paying tribute to Kevin. It's about, it's about raising awareness and, and, um, firing up Leafs passion. And the last thing I will say, the last thing I will say is that I wish looking back now, I wish there was more I would have done for him. You know, like, I was trying to take him to a game and the guy was always working, it was difficult. One time I did have tickets, he was sick and couldn't come. There was another time like I'd been trying to do it. And I'm thinking myself like, shit, I should have just went to the manager and been like, no, he's not working tight. I'm taking the game, you know, Bobby. Yeah, no feeling guilty and, and the overarching messages, man, if there's someone that you love, if there's someone that you want to do something with that maybe you haven't talked to in a little bit, don't wait. Don't wait, because you might get that same call the next thing. I really hope you don't feel, I know what you're saying. Feeling guilty, but buddy, you're, you're a great guy. I mean, imagine what your friendship meant to him to get to talk to a social media guy about the Leafs that's all he wanted. And I think it's really cool too that, you know, before Elliot's tweet in your Instagram or even people who didn't see, like, people probably saw him, McMahon and was like, oh, what's that? You know, and like, now the story's out, like, just to get to hear about him. So you're a good person, dude. And we appreciate you coming on and sharing that. I know that's not easy, man. And, and, and, you know, for hockey, in Canada to post that as well to like get the conversation started, that's, that's so huge. And we're going to do everything that we can in order to help you and, and, and his, and his wife out and, figure out all the funeral arrangements, buddy. So obviously we'll keep in contact. But thank you so much for coming on and just shed light on an amazing human being and, and right back at you, buddy, everything you did for him and Bobby, it's, that's, you know, it's, this is what it's about, right? Yeah. That's what it's about. Yeah. It just goes to show you how much, you know, hockey brings people together, you know, brings bonds and friendships together. And if I know the hockey community, like I do, and, you know, with all had shit that's happening in our lives and the hockey community's been there, they'll take care of his, his wife and, and she'll be fine. And, you know, we're going to do whatever we can do. But yeah, like Witzhead, you shouldn't feel any, any sense of, you should have done more. Like, you got that phone call, you stepped up when you had to, you, you, you proved your friendship to him and, and you're going to continue to talk about him and, and leave his, his legacy in a, in a better place. Yeah. No, I, guilty's not the right word, but, you know, that's for the mind of, you start thinking about what the last couple of years have been like, and oh, I could have done that. I could have done. Yes. But yeah, now guys, I really appreciate the opportunity to shed some light and some context on this story, which a lot of people probably don't realize, like, oh, why is this such a big deal? And the buds are going to get into the playoffs for Kevin this year. We're going to squeak in a while as well. The cards forget, you know, but let's just get into the playoffs. Let's just get into the playoffs and, and let's just see what happens from there. Yep. Yeah, best brother. Well said. Appreciate your time, man. We'll talk to you soon, bud. That was great. Yeah, that's emotional, crazy story. It feels so bad for Kevin's widow now. But good for aluminum. He is a good guy. He's a good, good, funny bastard, a good person. So moving along, getting out of the Atlantic, the calves continue to do their thing, right? Like we keep talking about them. They keep winning at home. They're unbeatable. It feels like have they lost the home game? Maybe one. I think they've won 17 in a row now at home. An interesting point actually on 30 thoughts today. Elliott Friedman said that our Tammy Pinaran is a name to keep in mind when it comes to the Colorado avalanche and the trade they got enough guys for fuck's sake. Another star. I know Jesus Christ. I know they get Pinaran before the Olympics. They should just play as a team in the Olympics. They they play with so much past all like I don't. Yeah, obviously, Pinaran fucking work anywhere. I guess I'm just trying to get him not on in the West. Yeah. I guess they made a strong push for him two, three years ago. They made a real strong. Yeah. I think that they said that they offered them a shorter term deal is what Elliott said in like the 13, 14 million range right before McKinney and signed his big extension. So they they've targeted them in the past. But what agreed with you with they do play very fast, curious to know how hard of an adjustment that would be for them to make a big move. Maybe even potentially come off of a roster player. If not, maybe a few in order to land a big piece where I mean, you've seen how hard it is to go there and all of a sudden like get up to speed. You saw it with although it was at the start of the year, who's the guy who came over from middle-stead. He was never able to do so. I think that most people would say that Brock Nelson is a way better version of himself this year compared to last year when he came over and what he was able to do in that lineup. So you know, buyer beware here. They got a lot of good things going. I'm not saying that you can't improve your team despite how good things are going. But like you said with the pace of play would definitely concern me and playoff performance. There's only one puck out there. And yeah, I mean like his first lazy back check like McKinney's ripping the ball shot of the locker room. He's fucking. He's he's learning Russian just to yell it impossibly. Yeah. But the abs the record is 23 in a row at home by the 2011 12 Redwings. The abs are 19 0 and two. So they got to they don't have a regulation loss yet. And they're 21 game home point streak is second in team history 21 22. They had 22 games. So yeah, they continue chugging along the sharks. Cell phone game is first the Leafs to. Is that is that tonight that's tonight in Colorado. Yeah big Monday night slate. Yeah, I know it's great. The sharks they've won six of eight beat Dallas and OT Saturday. They got smoked Sunday by the golden nights, but on the back to back and Celebraini has point streak. It ended at 13 games. But it's the second longest run in sharks history behind only who you guys. I'm a judge. No, teach you. No, Patty. No, Brian Dan Boyle. No. 14 games. Point streak for some ones. Dan Ozee. No, hurdle. No, Jesus Christ. That name everyone. We're really going down the dog. Murray. Doug Murray not burns either. Nope. Not Doug Murray. All right. What's the clue? What? What's been not Dan Boyle? No, classic. No. Oh, Carlson. Carlson. Oh, shit. Jesus. When he had a hundred points. Nice job, we named everyone in sharks history. We can't down with the Netflix. We've exceeded our time limit. If we're talking Pacific, are we talking Seattle to? So yeah, that was last. And I don't get it. They don't have anyone even sniffing a point per game. They got Montor injured. They were, they're still on my no watch list. I'm sorry. I don't get this credit to them. It's incredible. But I don't get it. And I don't think it's going to last. Gold 10. That's all it is. The court was was carrying the low majority at the beginning of the year when they were getting their winning done. And that grew power has been on fire lately. Like, if you look, go look at his numbers right now. So a collective of unbelievable gold penning, but you're right, Wayne. It's kind of an anomaly. It doesn't make a lot of sense. I want to say their penalty kill is the worst in the league. And maybe clicking at 70%. They don't score a lot. One positive element is, is, the can was injured for a hot minute. And he's back. And since being back, I want to say he's got he's been scoring. And then also Maddie Beniers. Maddie Beniers has six goals in his last six games. A guy who's not, you know, I'm always curious to know if he's ever going to ramp it up to the next level offensively, right? Like, after the rookie year, I was like, all right. Yeah. This is a 90 point guy in the future. And it's, it's been slower. What I would hold, I would hope that he turns into Dylan Larkin. That would be my ceiling for Maddie Beniers. A great, that'd be nice. Two way centerman who can still put up 30, 35 goals every year. But yet, be a first line center. He's not going to be a world beater as far as the numbers are concerned. But when you're playing the way that Dylan Larkin's playing, you don't need to be. Especially when you're raw, I mean, no offense to that roster. They don't have like the superstars that other teams have that you're going to get, you know, 15 to 20 points that you don't deserve. Like, just handing it off to Kudraub and getting an assist or something like that. So he's earning all those points. Right. He's got 28 points in 43 games. But those are hard points to get there. They're earning them, right? Like, it's not no, no goals that they're scoring are easy. Like it's, it's tough grinding it, trying to get a point every single night. And they're not here for them. I know. No, they were, they were so bad. And now it's completely turned around. Lane Lambert wouldn't even talk to the media for after the one game. I think that's what turned it around. He shut them out. Oh, yeah, he was only talking like, yeah, Kim Jong Un North Korea shit going on in Seattle. Oh my god. But the crack, the crack in a buzz and so with that, I think it's time to throw it over to the goat. The man we went down to Florida and interview TB 12 Tom Brady boom. Guys, let's take a quick moment and talk about skills. Spit and Chicklets launched new co branded hockey training aids with skills, the leading sport skill training brand. Now you can go to Dick sport and goods and pure hockey locations and see spit and chicklets on the shelves. We released training aids for players of all ages and all skills. We have the universal shooting target, the hockey shooting trainer and the foam shooting targets. Perfect for the driveway or on the ice. These products will help your offensive game in a big way. 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And now right, we are joined by seven times Super Bowl champ five times Super Bowl MVP, the record holder of every record a cube you could have in the NFL. Tom Brady, what's going on? That fellus. Thank you very much for joining the show. We we're going to talk ball. We're junior ball-nowers. Yeah. But like what's your puck knowledge? Do you know puck? This is a hockey pod. Is that where I'm here? Yes, exactly. We're just going to break down. Yeah, I break down the ring. Like four checks breakouts. And Panther smash up tonight. Yeah, it's I follow it kind of on the periphery. I don't probably have as much knowledge as I used to have. I think when I got into my football career, there's just a lot of things you lose track of over time. But I was in like in college. I was in Ann Arbor in the Red Wings run fire. Yep. And I had a lot of friends that we went to a lot of games. Then I was in Boston and the Bruins were amazing. And then being in Tampa for three years, the lightning were winning. And then coming here and the Panthers are winning. So it's like I've kind of you know, I've been around it and obviously I've got a lot of friends that have played. But I just don't have the same knowledge I had when I was a kid because you know when you're a football player, it's like 12 hours your day is all football. And then I don't even get to follow much baseball or basketball. I'll turn the games on for sure because I love and I love hockey. I love the sport. It's a lot like football to me in terms of the toughness and the resilience and the physical nature of the sport. I think the demands of the sport of like having to respect your opponent and having to prepare your body because of the physicality. Like if you don't prepare, you pay the price. And it's not really like that in basketball and it's not like that in baseball. But in hockey, it's same as football. Like you have to you're not going to cheap shot that guy because you know that it's coming back your way too. So you play hard. You play tough. There's so much skill, but there's also this disciplines of the sport that probably you don't find in the other two major sports. And you got to play injured, which like that's probably the biggest part of football. I mean, I feel like it's like so much luck now in football where who's going down for the season and who can keep playing. Yeah. And hockey's similar I'd say. Yeah, it's just you you better have a good team and you better have good values and you better have good veterans that kind of paved the way for the young guys because some point everybody's going to be out there playing. And it's just can't rely on the starting five like you can. Maybe another sports. It's it's it's a great sport. I mean, it's just it's so fast. And I think when you go to the games live, you have such an appreciation for the sport. And you see how hard it is to score. Yeah. Like I'm always like amazed when I go to the game. I'm like, God, they had no chances. And it's just so difficult to get, you know, that puck in the back of the net. And look, as that Michigan too, I don't forget that. The Wolverines had an incredible hockey team who were the studs there playing hockey when you were there? We had Marty Turko. Okay. That was a great goalie. Yeah. Brandon Morrison, I think was there. He was there. He was unbelievable. We had a we had a great program. And even through the five years that I was there, but we always supported it kind of the other sports as well. Football players, we'd love to go to see hockey games and a lot of that we take a lot of recruiting kids that would come to that were recruited by Michigan. We take them to hockey games. So it's been a part of my life forever. Yeah. You're not the first patriot we've had on we actually had drunk on the pod. And one of the more famous stories he told that went viral was he slept through his draft meeting or parts of his draft meeting. Were you aware that that happened? I'm not surprised hearing that. It's I don't think I should be surprised. He the amazing part is he could get away with basically anything. And there's nothing malicious about rocks. I think even if he falls asleep, people like they get cute. Oh my God. You know, he's so fun loving and and he's just not afraid to be who he is. So he's a special guy. He's one of my favorite teammates of all time. I think at that point, you were the start and quarterback. So do you follow the draft? Like are you watching? Hey, what what weapons are we picking up? Like, did you see when he was drafted and and that whole ordeal that went down the others on stage? Or were you like, what were you thinking in your head when you saw that? It was it was it was great for a team to have that and to have so it got like that comes on and we had had success with the club for a period of time before Grunk had got there. And I'd say like when he got there, it kind of became Patriots 2.0 like the old guard was kind of had left. The guys were a part of like the first group of championships we won. And then we kind of had to reinvent ourselves. And when you're winning like we were, I would say the mood for our team will got pretty serious because the expectations were so high at the beginning of the year. And even the media would say like as training camp started, well, who do you think you guys are going to be playing in the AFC championship? Yeah, it's like, whoa, you know, it's kind of like that's not really fair, but it's also kind of the way the fans saw it and the way the media saw it. So you get less, you get a little bit just because the high expectations, it just gets serious all the way around. And I was a really good thing because it kept us focused, but it was also we needed some like levity at some point. And like Matt Light used to bring that a lot and he was so fun to have a Mike Vray bowl. And was a fun guy to have around. And then there were really like serious guys. And then all of a sudden we get wrong. And it's like all the boys, the brothers on stage jumping and I'll never forget Wes Welker texted me right away. And he was like, did you F and see this? And I was like, of course, that he goes, this is amazing. So we need exactly what we need. We loved having him. And then he brought like a total new life and energy to the program. And it was like, we needed like people that could, like I said, just break us out of this kind of really serious place we were in and bring like the joy of this work back. And he had that. And then like, I just remember some plays that he made early in his career that were just absolutely absurd. I remember one on the practice field, grunked a big guy like six, seven really fast, long arms, long legs. And you know, he's he's straight line speed was elite. Certainly when he was younger, I threw him a ball in practice. He was running straight down the middle of the field and kind of made it not a great throw. It was like basically at his ankle bone. And he was running full speed down the middle. I threw balls coming down this way. He reaches down with his hands to hand it. I'm the Mike like this. Looking backward, the ball was one inch from the ground caught it in stride and kept running. Just the ability from to see the ball track the ball, drop his hands, catch it. And I was like, holy shit. It was unbelievable. And then he made so many incredible catches over the years. And then it was just you have that type of performer. And you have that type of like guy that he is, which is just so fun loving, brought the joy for everyone. It was like just an incredible teammate in a in a Hall of Fame career. NAM is teammate at Fox and we have the best time every time we see each other. That was going to be my next fall up before you really dive into your career and your come up was how are you liking the difference side, the media side of things? And is it hard for you to be critical of guys off the hop? Like what's been the hardest adjustment? Yeah, I don't consider myself a media guy. I guess I just I'm not like a reporter. I'm not trying to investigate anything. I really am like, hopefully I'm an ambassador for the sport of football. That's really how I see my role at Fox. I get to go on there and talk about what I love to do and what I love to do and why it was successful. And then the programs that I'm looking at on the field like why they're successful, why they're not successful, how they can be more successful. And I think when you're doing a game, what I hope for every game is just a good clean game. Not a lot of penalties. I want the quarterbacks to play well. You know, I want some great plays by the receivers. I want good decisions by the coaches. I would find it really hard. And I'm very blessed to be on the A crew at Fox where they typically try to give us one of the best games. And we get it. So I get to talk about a lot of this. I think it'd be really hard to be a crew that has to do some of the games where the teams aren't winning as much. Because you really just want to be positive. You want to show the fan base is, hey, this is how you should be hopeful. This is why you should be hopeful. And this is what you should expect from your team. So I think that's what I enjoy most. I leave the game a lot of the times. And I'm like, really fulfilled because we made a lot of really good points about, you know, these clubs. And I think the fans now see me in a different light that I wasn't out there beating their teams anymore. I was out there as like a fan of their team. And I'm a fan of people doing it the right way. I don't really enjoy that people or the organizations that I don't think do it the right way. You know, I think I'd love to see 32 teams in the NFL, you know, kind of go about their business in a successful way that I think ultimately makes the league the best possible league it could be. Yeah, which right now doesn't happen. I mean, there's some teams and organizations. You're just like, what is going on? We were talking before about like you mentioned seeing good QB play. And I don't know, like I don't know a lot about the sport, but it seems like it's so hard. And some of these guys with all this potential are drafted so high, then they end up like hitting it at another spot like Darnell right now or so. What do you see? Because Aikman was talking the other day about like, I don't even blame the QBs as much as some of the organizations. I put them in spots. Why now is it so hard to find a good QB? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I think, you know, kind of meant in my era of quarterbacks, we had, I would say, more depth and quality that there is now. I think from a physical skill standpoint, there's a lot of kids that are developed. They can throw the ball well. They're athletic. They've trained their whole life. They're strong. But at the same time, there's a process to where they're so focused on their physical skill set. They neglect the mental and emotional skill set as well. And I think that part of why I was really successful over time was I had a baseline of physical skill. I was obviously, I could make any throw on the field. I had enough athleticism in the pocket to move and avoid the rush and by myself a little time. I was never going to be someone that could get out of the pocket and create these magical plays outside the pocket. But I really learned to use the mental and emotional parts of who I was to elevate my total play style. And I think if you want to be the best you can be, if you want to be truly a peak performer and elite athlete, you have to be at your best physically, mentally and emotionally. I think you go into the NFL draft and everyone's like, look at this guy skill set. He's really fast. He's really big. Look how strong an army throws. Oh my god, he was on his knees, knee through the ball, 70 yards. But I'm like, okay, like what does that mean? Is he mentally, you know, is he smart enough to take an information, process it and use it on the field? Does he know as he mastered the playbook? Does he know how to study? Does he know how to learn from his mistakes? And then emotionally, is he competitive every day? Is he really volatile as a leader? Does he know how to deal with adversity? Does he know how to deal with competition? How does he react when things don't go his way? What's going to happen when he throws four interceptions of game? How's he going to respond to that? So if you don't have those, because as you guys know, when you play sports, adversity is coming. It may not be your first year. It may not be your second year. It will come at some point. And the best players I've ever been around, they know how to deal with all parts of those emotions. They know how to they know how to study. They're going to learn every single year. They're going to be a little bit better. When you become mentally and emotionally a master of yourself, my belief is you do get better as you get older. The people who are only focused on their physical ability over time, you get worse. If you don't ever master the mental emotional part, to me, you're declining asset from the day you're drafted. So you have this great rookie year. And everyone's like, oh my god, there's great potential except that that's the pinnacle of where you're at. And now you start to, you know, decline over time, because maybe that organization that Troy was alluding to isn't teaching you the right values. What really matters toward your success. And you're right. I don't think there's a lot of programs. And now it's starting more even in high school and college where there's less development in those areas, because in college, there are real no programs anymore. There's teams. There's no programs. We grew up with programs. I went to Michigan. I was playing pro football when I was in college. We were playing the best teams who had great teams. We had well coach. We ran pro style offenses. I had five years of training. Then all of a sudden I got to the pro level. I had one year learning the system. And I was like, man, I can compete with anybody now. So that I end up getting my opportunity in the second game of the year. And I said, if I ever put me in the field, they're never going to take me off the field because I learned to compete. I knew how to be resilient. I knew how to be competitive. I learned playbooks. I mastered playbooks. I trained hard because physically, I was actually way less developed than a lot of other guys. So I had to work my ass off to try to make up that ground. And finally, when I made up that ground, I thought I was really well rounded. And my ability to compete was at a much higher level. So now I got my chance. And then as I got better physically through the course of my career, mentally emotionally, I was awesome. Well, there I got to be, you know, at 25, I was good at 35. I was great at 45. I was a master of the sport. Yeah. Now is that back. That's how the break down. I mean, it's just, yeah, I mean, are we good? Yeah. Thank you. But even the like, your famous quote, when you got drafted, and you said to Mr. Craft, like, you're never going to regret this. Did you have that confidence? Are you, you know, obviously drew was there too, right? Like, you probably knew you weren't going to start right away. But like you said, you were going to learn the playbook a little bit, learn how to figure out the game. Did you, was that more confidence or just in your ability? They said that. You said that drafted. Yeah. Craig Patrick is the best decision you've ever made. I didn't say that. First of all, I didn't say that. I said, you're never going to regret picking me. But I think the point is that you said it. Like, and I wrote about this last week, I do this really cool newsletter that I sent out in the email form. And we talked about the ability to figure things out. And what a great skill set that is for an individual. And I was in college. And my college career was pretty tumultuous. It was difficult. I went to, I went as a freshman to Michigan, chose a hard school, great competition. There was no easy path to success there. So I was the seventh quarterback on the Dept chart when I started by the end of my first year. I was fourth. I registered in my first year. My second year, super competitive. I kind of battled to basically be like the third or fourth quarterback on game day. I thought about transferring. I didn't transfer. Thank God. My third year, I got an opportunity to compete to be the starter. And I lost the job to Brian Greasy. We went undefeated that year. It was hard. There was no like, hey, you're going to come to Michigan and be the starter. You're going to come here and don't worry. You're going to be at a great position to start. We're going to promise you a chance to play. I had to battle for three years against other great competition to even see what I was all about. I was a long way from home. My parents were in California. This was not the era of cell phones. I couldn't call home. And mom, dad, what do I do? I was like on an island trying to figure it out. And I had to work through a lot of different emotions about doubting myself. Lack of confidence. Is this the right place for me? What do I do when I feel like I stagnate at certain levels? And I had to get better physically. I had to work with the sports psychologist. I had to work physically on my skill set every year to improve. Finally, get a chance to compete my fourth year. The fans didn't even want me to play. I lost my first two starts as a fourth year player. We finished that season. I think 10 wins and three losses. And we were like 12th in the country. I went back for my senior year and then five days before the first game. The head coach is like, you're going to basically platoon for the first half of the game with another quarterback. Yeah. So I'm like my fifth year, name team captain by all my peers started every game the year before. And I got told, well, we're going to start you, but Drew's going to play in the second quarter. And then whoever has the hot hands going to play the rest of the games, the rest of the game. And it was like a kind of like holy, it's not what I want. But oh, well, at least I'm playing. I get a shot. Let me go. All right. And I learned to compete. I learned to figure it out by midway through the year. Coach Car finally said, okay, we're done with that. You're playing the rest of the year. We won every game after that. So now I go to the orange pole. My final game. Have one of my best games in my career. And I'm thinking I'm going to be a second or third round pick. I had developed a lot of confidence in myself through a lot of failure, through a lot of competition. It wasn't easy for me in college. I had to grow, I had to grow the fuck up. I had to learn how to compete. I had to learn how to deal with my failures. My first college pass, I threw an interception return for a touchdown. They put me in. I threw a pick six. I was like, I don't think I'm ever going to play here again. Like you go into the team meeting room the next day and the coach is like, Brady, I don't think where everyone puts you on the field ever again. So it's like, you break yourself down. Then you figure out how to build yourself up. So now I go to the pros, drafted in the six round by the Patriots, fourth quarterback on the depth chart my first year. Sometimes I moved up to three. Didn't play going to my second year, but I was battle tested and no one could really see that. They couldn't see what was yeah, mentally understood everything. New okay, fuck it. Like, don't go my way. Don't worry. I'm going to figure it out. Didn't start right. I'm going to figure it out. Didn't learn to play book. I'm going to figure out don't know how to throw that pass quite yet. I'm going to figure it out. Never losing confidence in what I was able to do because what I had learned through all my failures was that if I work hard at applying new things to my skill set, new ways of throwing the ball, new ways of footwork in the pocket, new ways of studying, new ways of film study, new ways of developing confidence in myself. Then when I'm challenged, I can rely on those fundamentals that I learn, apply them and then things got better. So now I go to the pros and I'm in my second year. I win the backup job on the Patriots. Drew gets hurt in the second game of the year and I was like, I'm ready to roll boys and I said if and I told all my buddies, they put me in the game, they're never taking me out. And then 22 years later, they never took me out. When he got healthy that year, were you really confident you'd stay in or were you like, I have no idea what way this is going to go? Yeah, I would say, there's one part about me, which is I'd say natural and normal. And a bit of a blessing was, I was very naive. Like you don't know what you don't know. So you don't even know like what you're up against. You're just like, yeah, of course, I want to go to Michigan and play like, why would I not? I didn't realize how hard it would be, how cold it was, the type of challenges that was going to face. Then I get to the Patriots and I'm like, yeah, like my agent called me like three weeks before final cuts in my rookie year. I'm the six round pick. There's three other quarterbacks on the depth chart. And I'm like, Hey, I'm going to buy Thai laws house. And he's like, you haven't made the team yet. And I'm like, of course, I'm going to make the team. So I buy fucking Thai laws, where to God in camp. Yeah, like just as cam sending. So I make the team. And then you know, I'm like, yeah, of course, I'm going to compete. You know, it's like going to my second year. And I'm like, of course, I'm going to like win the back of job. And of course, they signed a free agent. They gave me an humor. It was a great buddy of mine who they wanted to be the backup quarterback. So then I'm like, go in and I start playing. I'm like, I start playing well. And I'm like, well, yeah, I'm going to, of course, I'm going to play well. I always kind of do that. You know, and then Drew comes, Drew is gets gets healthy. But in my mind, I'm kind of like, I'm going to keep playing. Of course, I'm going to keep playing. Like not even realizing like there's totally another view of this. But it wasn't like in my nature to think about that. So then like we go to the Super Bowl. I was like, you nervous. I'm like, no, of course, we're going to win. And it was like, it's just it's naive. It's not smart. It's naive. And I maybe that blind confidence in some things has really been an asset for me that maybe like, you know, I could look at different people that have been around where they, they kind of know too much. And they look at all the challenges. And they're like, man, that's going to be really hard. And I'm like, when you don't see that as really hard, you kind of jump with both feet in and you're all in. And in some ways, it, it finds its way working out other than yourself. Obviously, who, like, who do you think for, for like having that, like that, that type A, where, you know, you dealt with your way to the university and you kind of dealt with that adversity. Was that something that was instilled to you from your parents? Like, how did you know, where was that developed? Such a great question. And I think there's, there's, there's, there's the natural thought, is it nature? Is it nurture? You know, and I think that the me being born into the family that I was born into with three older sisters that were all very competitive in sports. My dad got drafted to play professional baseball. My mom's a great athlete. So athletics was in my blood. From the time I was, I was at, I was at my sister's soccer and soccer games. My entire childhood, I probably had as many meals at the ballpark from the, the snack shack that I did at my house. And I had this foundation where my parents were all in on all of us kids. They wanted us to succeed. They were going to do everything they could to help us be the best we could be. So this like the unconditional love and support of my family, regardless, win or lose. Like that had the best foundation growing up. And then I had my dad, I was like, Hey, you know, what do you think? I'd like to go to Michigan. He was like, absolute, that's what she do. And it kind of broke my dad's heart because I was his only son. And I'm going all the way to the Midwest. And it's hard for your dad. But even when I wasn't playing, hey, you're the best. Don't worry. You keep going. And you're, you know, I love the way you're working, just that support. And then meaning a lot of people along the way, you know, I, like I mentioned, I learned how to throw the football bag. I named Tom Martinez. He was the college of San Mateo community college, Julian Edelman actually went to school there. But it was two miles from my house. He taught me how to throw football. So it wasn't me like just naturally picking up a ball. And yeah, I had a good arm, but he taught me. And I was receptive to that. I mean, I love to learn. I love to learn from people. I go to Michigan. And I had a really self-defeating attitude where at first, I was kind of like pissed off that I wasn't getting all the opportunities. Other guys were getting. And there was a sports psychologist named Greg Hardin. God rest his soul. He passed away earlier this year. He was one of the greatest mentors in my life. And he was like, why don't you quit bitching about all the things you're not getting? How about you focus on the things you are getting? If they put you in on the scout team, you run that scout team like you're the starting quarterback. When they put you in with the guys, the backup receivers, who gives a shit? Do the best with the three reps you get. Go in there with enthusiasm. Show your teammates that you're committed to them. Show your teammates that you're enthusiastic and you can lead them no matter what. So like, okay, that was a new approach. I'd never learned that before. So I went out there and I started treating practice like a game. And naturally it elevated my play. I didn't have to wait for the game to prove to my teammates that I was ready to go. That I knew the playbook, that I could execute the playbook, that I could make the throws, that I was confident in what I was doing. So by the time I got to playing, it was just an extension of me practicing. But I had to learn those things. Then you're going up in college. I got Charles Woodson in my class. I get to watch him and I'm like, dude, that's a man. I'm looking at my body and I'm looking at him. I'm like, okay, I'm so far not in his league. But like the inspiration from a teammate to make me better than I had Brian Greacy, who was two years older than me. He went on to play pro football. He led our team to a national championship. He was an incredible leader for our team. Like incredible. I had another quarterback, Scott Leffler. He's the quarterback coach for the Philadelphia Eagles now. He tore his rotator cuff during his rookie year. He ended up being even those two years older. He kind of became like even though he's still on the team. He was more of a coach, but he really took a liking to me because he saw how hard I was willing to work. So he and I became like, he became like my coach. And he was mentoring me, my throwing mechanics when I was away from Tom Martinez. And then I go to the pros and I build Bella checks my coach. And in a crazy way, after my first season, in training camp, our quarterback coach, Dick Raybine, who was really responsible for drafting me, he passes away. And Bill Bella check the head coach, the greatest defensive coach of all time has to assume a quarterback coaching role to fill the void. So now I'm learning defenses from Bill Bella check. And then and then my body's like starting to hurt because now I'm 25 and I've been through like a lot of workout. It's a lot of training, a lot of hits like my third year in a league. And I have really bad elbow pain and Willie McGinnis, one of my teammates first round pick for the Patriots. I think in 1993, he's like Tommy, I need to introduce you to my boy Alex. He's going to take care of your arms. Never going to hurt again. So I meet Alex Guerrero who I worked with for 20 years. My best friend. He's treated me through everything, every injury, broken ribs, concussions, separated shoulder, ACL injury, high ankle, sprain, you know, broken fingers. Never missed a game. Talk me how to take care of my body so that every time I took the field, I was prepared as I could be. Never missed a game outside of an ACL tear in 23 seasons. So it's like there's a lot of us that have to be born with certain things. And we have to be born with a certain level, like I say, maybe a baseline level of physical ability and intelligence to play based on the quarterback position or depending on the sport might require some different things. And then there's other things where you have to develop. And I believe that we always should be a work in progress. We should always be open to people who know how to do things better than we do. We have to be really receptive to those things because that's how you stay ahead of everybody else. You can't ever rest on your laurels. And I think the challenge with people who are really physically developed when they're young and they're ahead of the curve, they never have to develop the mental emotional because with minimal effort, they're still better than everybody else. And they're told how good they are by everybody. Their coaches, their parents, even though they're not fully developed, but because they can go out on the ice or the football field or the baseball field and be better than everybody else, they never have to put in the extra work. Like I wasn't better than everybody else. So I had to do the extra work. So now I get to the pro level and I'm still doing the extra work. I'm still doing more film. I'm still staying after practice working with the other players. I'm still in the offseason training harder than everybody else. Then I changed the way that I ate, then I changed the way that I trained, then I trained, changed the way that I rehab. Then I had just the right things over a long period of time that allowed me to play as long as I could because my body was my asset. And I had to take care of it as well as I could in order for me to achieve the dreams that I had set forth. I don't know. Yeah, that's like, at least being down in Florida, like, Bobrabsky's the goalie of the Panthers. And so they win and they want back to back now. It seems like right away he gets back into like training. Like there's no time. There's no like resting on anything. Yeah. You won your first one, you know, relatively unknown. And then like this fame became just insane. Like so I imagine it was hard all of a sudden you're asked to do so many more things, but were you right back into getting ready that next year? But when you were young, were you celebrating for a while? And then it took you longer to, all right, I don't care if we win. Like I'm on to next year. Yeah, normally I would take a month off where I'm going to do it. Yeah, we wouldn't do anything. I'm just pushing. Yeah, it's I'd be hitting the bottle obviously going celebrate with my buddies and have a fun off season. So yeah, were you like right back into it? Yeah, I love you hockey players. Oh yeah, a good time. Bobby drank my way out of a few more years. I wanted to do it. That got for podcasts. I think things worked out pretty good. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, that's you know, it's it works in hockey. Yeah, I watch Strange Brew. You know, I've seen all the hockey movies. So you know, I feel like it's part of the culture. I love slap shots. That's the goal. Right. It's one of the best. But yeah, I think it's um, I just for me, like I was really focused, you know, I wasn't I was never like a big drinker. So that was not hard for me. Like of course, like we love to go out and have a great time. And when I was younger, I did a lot of that as I got older, it just became less and less and less. And the training part I actually enjoyed. Um, it's kind of like throwing a football. You guys play golf. Yeah. Okay, so you know, like when you hit like a perfect seven iron and you're like on the range and you're like, wow, how do I do that again? You don't even feel the ball in the club. It's just gone in the feeling that you're like, I just want to repeat that. That's how it is to throw a perfect spiral. And when you're addicted to throwing a perfect spiral, that's all I needed. I want to do. And I just like, let's throw. And then when that ball would come out of my hands, and it would just be the perfect pace with the perfect amount of rotation, with the perfect location, it was you fork. And I would just go, I want to do that again. How do I do that again? And I would just work on it. So it was a sickness. I mean, it was just in a positive way. Yeah, good. It was a way, it was an addiction that is just all, it's hard to explain to people who maybe, and not experienced that before. But when you do it once and you're like, and I would say, in a football season, I would throw 700 passes, 600 to 700 passes. If you look at the stats, I would probably throw out of the 700. How many do you think I would throw that way? Perfect. Yeah. Like in my mind, 40 is 40%. Perfect. Yeah. I'd say 100 maybe. Yeah. I'd say at a 700 throws, maybe 20 of them did exactly what I wanted to. Oh, you're going to say, 69. No, I would say 20 that I was like, you know what? That is exactly how I wanted that ball to come out. And it's just, so my misses were still pretty good because I was really focused on those 20. And if I could make like, if I was aiming right for your nose and I hit your right ear, now you may not know that. But I knew where I was throwing it. And if it came in a little softer, you didn't know. I knew how much arm, how much pace I was trying to put into the ball. So when it really would jump out of my hands and go exactly where I wanted, you couldn't probably tell the difference much. I could tell the difference. So that's just what I was after. So was it a case of you didn't really want to get out of that rhythm where like a week after the Super Bowl, you got guys lining up and you're doing routes and throwing? I would probably, I would probably wouldn't do as much of that because what happens is um, 30 football season is you kind of train an off season to build your body up, maybe a little bigger, a little stronger, um, probably a little more weights. And then when you get into the season, I would not do a ton of weights. I would do a lot more band work. I never wanted to be really bulky. I wanted to be able to be like, maybe a little um, thicker um, to withstand the hits. But I was not like, you know, I wasn't going to like get all cut up just because, you know, that would get I always believe that really tight stiff muscles are the ones that get injured. And over time, there's less fluidity in a in a quarterback has to be a really fluid movement, a lot like a baseball pitcher. There's a lot of energy or transfer in the ground. It's coming up through your hips, through your shoulders, to your arm, to your elbow, to your fingertips, and then the ball pops out of your hands. The more strengthy you are, the less effective you can generate the power through the entire kinematic sequence. So to me, it's all flow. So the more relaxed I could be, the more my muscles were really pliable, the more I could rotate quickly and then torque my body and the more relaxed my arm was, the more the ball popped out of my arms. So over the course of the season, I would work way more on my pliability and less on my strength. So then when the season end, I would kind of back off the pliability training, I and I would do more strength training, which would get you a little stiffer. Because when we lift weights, our muscles are getting a little bigger, a little stiffer and more dense. But then that's not good for throwing a football. So now I end up being a little bit more pliable, which is great for football, which is what the goal was. This year, you said at 45, it was mastered. When rivers goes in, you're like, I could still play. Like, he's got a barrel on my face. How do you be a part of you? I could easily be doing. Why aren't I doing this? Because Fox does a great job of keeping it really happy. And I'm tired of getting hit by quarterback prices. Yeah, they are. And I'm tired of getting hit by Aaron Donald and JJ Watten. Yeah. You know, that that time is like, when I look back now, I'm like, man, we put ourselves through a lot. So like the risk or reward of, yeah. But we we've talked to a lot of hockey players when we were done, it's hard, right? Like you played way longer than we did and you're the you missed the locker room. Was that first year for you? Like pretty difficult. Like you're like, oh, my God, I'm just missing something that I've had forever. So the best I would say the best part for me was I played so long I finished my career. Yeah, I didn't stop playing. I finished. The book ended. Yeah. And it was like, I had a goal of 45. I made it. I really wanted. My kids were getting older. My oldest son, Jack is in New York. I wanted to be there for his games. I said, you know what? Like, it's enough of them coming to my games. I want to be at their games. And I was at their games anyway, like as much as I could. But you know, there's just a regimen to our football season that doesn't allow you to be at weddings and funerals and birthday celebrations. And you know, we got games. So it's just a commitment you make when you're playing and the beautiful thing about football. It's only a five month season. And to be honest, we only work like 40 hours a week. It's not like it's a 90 hour a week desk job, you know, where you're now at home. I had to do extra work because a lot of film study. But I mean, for a football player, I think in many ways, we have the best schedule of anybody. We're only gone eight nights a year from our families. We're not gone. You guys play 82 games. You're gone half the time. There's a lot of nature on the road. We're gone Saturday nights, eight nights a year. And then we're home, basically, all the other times. So we're there. It's just, it's, it's, it's a great profession. And the physical toll it takes on you, that's the issue is just, you know, again, it's such, I took more hits than anybody in the NFL. I got sacked more than anybody outside. I think Aaron Rogers, you know, broke that record. That's not the record I really wanted. But you know, you play long enough. You get hit a lot. You get sacked a lot. And you know, you take a lot of hits. And then I just had to work really hard as I got older to make sure I could recover from getting hit, you know, broken ribs. So I, in my, in my second or last year, I separated my shoulder. Oh, maybe it was my last year. Second or last year, I separated my shoulder. And it was like I had to play like the last seven games with a separated shoulder, right shoulder. So it's just them daily maintenance to make sure I could practice and then play. That's, it's just taxing. And you just get a little like, okay, there's, I think I'm good. Yeah, this is over. Yeah, I'm good. Was it, was it ever hard the older you got, maybe to relate to some of the younger players in the locker room? Because I got, like, my time, your, and your career, there was such an age gap. So what was, what was that like? And how did you manage that? So I actually really enjoyed that because quarterbacks naturally have to be the, the vocal communicator and the whole people do a standard, whether it was at Tampa, whether it was at the Patriots. I was, you know, I was older for a long time. You know, once I got to about 35, I was kind of older than everybody anyway. And then I have another 10, 11 years of playing where I could be kind of the mentor that the Willie McGinnis was to me or that the lawyer, Maloy and Thai law was to me and that the drew blood. So it was to me. So I wanted to see other people achieve their dreams too. So when you get to like, after my third Super Bowl, it was 2004 season, it was so gratifying that we would sign free agents and we would sign, you know, we would draft rookies and they would come in to the, the program and be like, I just, I'm here because like, you guys are the Patriots, you know, we just, I just want to win. And then we'd win and you see how their life would change because your life was already changed. You know, you already were a champion. You already did get to experiences the fruits of your labor. You got to go to the White House and you got to do the parades. After you've done it a few times, it's better when you see other people do it. So now you got all these new teammates in that I never experienced any of those things. And you're a part of something and bringing something to their life that they had never achieved before. So that became a really motivating thing for me. And then we lost in 2007 to the Giants. Then we lost in 2011 to the Giants. And then we went 10 years between winning Super Bowls and then we went in 2014. Then we went in 2016 and we went in 2018. Then I leave the Patriots and I go to Tampa and that was a losing this organization in the history of the NFL Tampa Bay Bucks. But I chose there for a lot of great reasons. I love the coach, love the GM, love the ownership, love the receiving core, you know, love the warm weather. There are so many reasons. And then we go down there, we commit to each other as a team, we work our ass off, we all believe in one another. And then we go on a historic run and we win the Super Bowl. And it was like, I just remember that boat parade. I'm kind of remember boat parade. Yeah. Is that the one you're banged up off? You're like a hockey player on that day. Yeah. That was been then. Then if you don't the Kila Company, I know one buddy. That was pretty good. And just like to see like, I think quarterbacks, like it's always about relatability and how you relate to your teammates, not how your teammates relate to you. And I think that you ask a lot when you think of yourself as an older player, it's like, you're a parent. And you're not a parent because you're not, you know, they're not your kids. But there's a younger, there's a big age gap. And you as a parent, you don't look at your kids and go, come on kids, listen to my music. Come on kids, watch the show that I want to watch. As a parent, you go, what do you guys want to do today? I want to go to the playground with you. I want to watch the movies you want to read the books. You want to read it. That's what relatability is. Your ability to relate to somebody else. And as a quarterback, that's what I, you know, when I look at other quarterbacks on the league, you could see on on game day, who gravitates to the quarterback and who doesn't gravitate to the quarterback. And if they don't, it tells me that that quarterback is not working hard to relate to his teammates. It means that he's asking them to come to him all the time. And it's as simple as when I would meet people in locker room, I think you're shit. If you were rookie, if you were free agent, I walked down there and I'd say, Hey, how you doing? So until I'm Tom Brady, nice to meet you. I didn't wait for them to walk to me. It's intimidating. Yeah. This kid's 23 years old. He's been watching me for 15 years. I'm 38. I still got goals, but I need this guy. And I want to go and I want to make them feel comfortable. So the first thing you do is tell him your name, ask him about him. Don't say wait for him to come talk to me. He's scared that his fucking mind. So go be a good teammate. And then the teammates love that. Go relate to the lineman. Go drink beers with the lineman. Go be one of them. Don't pull up in your roles. Royce. Pull up in your pickup truck. That's what they're driving. Yeah. You know, and I think like a lot of people miss that. They think, you know, oh, I'm older like I deserve all this. I'm entitled. I did it. Everything you do in a pass and sport doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that team that year, that day of practice, that period in practice, that play in practice. That's what you have to get right. And I think focused on those small details from a leadership standpoint, from a quarterback position or any position where you're in a position authority, you're a CEO of a company, you're, you know, whatever. Go relate to the people that, you know, haven't had the experience that you've had. Provide the wisdom because that's what I learned from the people that I looked at that I really looked up to. Yeah, I talk, I talk to David Andrews, a undrafted guy played for the Patriots with him. He said that about you. He said, whether you are on the practice squad or superstar, Tom made time for you. Was that more just like you being a good person the way you were brought up or it's like, okay, this is I need this guy to be good for me to win. I need this guy to be comfortable. You know, hearing the locker room around because when you're a superstar, especially who you are, like, it's got to be tough, right? To play like in hockey guys aren't on that pedestal. If they are, like, there's Sid, Crosby, but those guys are like you, they're taking time for everyone. But in other sports, I feel like it's not like that. Yeah. It's just the values that you have to and what you, how you see yourself become in. And I think there's a lot of it like, I don't know, I never saw myself any different. I still don't see myself any different from the kid that grew up in San Mateo, California. I see myself as the same kid. I'm still the youngest brother of three amazing sisters. I'm still the son of two amazing parents. I'm the dad of three amazing kids. That's really the values I have to. Like what I've experienced and being blessed to win super bowls has just allowed me to have maybe a bigger voice and try to communicate to others like, hey, this is what I really think is really valuable to as people go through their career because we all want to experience degrees of success. So a lot of the only reason I got to experience the success that I had was other people poured into me. One of my idols in football, Steve Young, he said something to me a while ago, he said, hey, man, you always got to pay it forward. Go out there and do things in advance. Pay the price for people in advance, pour into them. And that's what you get out of it. I mean, giving rewards to giver. So you just go give to others and you be amazed in life how it comes back to you. So it's just, I don't know, the circumstances of my life have changed, you know, but who I am in the values I have have never really changed. So you have that 10 year window with two heartbreaking losses between super bowls, right? Let's talk about those. Well, no, I'm wondering as a leader and being positive, like were there times throughout those years where maybe you and Bella check or you would you'd be like harder on teammates or almost like, I'm frustrated right now. It's been a while since we won one. Yeah. Like I got to switch back up to who I was earlier, we were always pretty constant on how you approach like leadership. Always, always very constant with my leadership. And my leadership was always about, you know, how do I, how do I, first of all, lead by example, you know, how do I, you know, you can't ask anyone to do something you're not willing to do. You know, you got to like be the first one there in the morning. You got to be one in the last to leave. You have to be the most prepared. You have to be the most focused. You have to, you know, drive the culture of what a winning culture really looks like. You know, but Bill always had to say no days off. You know, when you're a leader, it's hard to just show up. You know, you're, you're, you're just being an attendance. Doesn't matter. I always would say like, you gotta bring the juice. You know, bring the juice. You, you kind of practice. Let's go. You know, we're out here to get better. You know, we're not here just punch the clock. So like, do you care about your teammates and do you care about what you're trying to accomplish? That's leadership to me. And your teammates could be in anything, could be in business, could be on the show, you know, could be wherever. And the motivation was, how do I not let my teammates down? Like what's Jerry Rice told me that too? And I was like, wow, that's so true. You know, that's, I didn't want it. You know, I didn't want to let Joe down. You know, Joe made a perfect pass and I dropped it. Man, he worked so hard to throw that perfect ball to me. I never wanted to drop a pass for Joe Montana. I never want to let the 49er organization down. They drafted me in the first round from Mississippi Valley State. That's what the best teammates competitors. That's the motivation. It's not super bowl. It's not making a money on a contract. It's not, you know, buying this person house because what happens when you do that and those motivations go away? Well, then what are you to me? It's like, how do I not let you down? I show up every day with an attitude to win for you and for this club. And like, we just got caught up in such a society lately, which is a challenge for a lot of these younger players, younger athletes, where it's about them. It's about their brand, their following, their money. Like, money has now become the end all be all for everybody. Like the quality of your life depends on how much money you have. And every decision is made on who's going to give you the most. Whereas like young too. Yeah, with college now. Yeah. I mean, young and parents, young parents don't know how to deal with that. But like, you go to a pro and you become a free agent. You know, and it's like, okay, who's got who's going to pay me the most? Is that the only decision? So like, you sign a contract to go to a team where you really probably don't fit. And it may be not the best quality or the best coaching or the best, you know, teammates that are associated with what your skill set is. But you still go there because it's one million dollars more year after taxes, which is 500 grand. And that's really going to change your life on a 20 million dollar contract. Or should you look at it and go, hey, what are all the things that really matter to me? What what if not as I choose a destination, what should be the most important thing? And if you choose that right, well, you have a great fulfilling life because no one really cares. I mean, at the end of the day, like, what was your contract? You know, it's like, no, I'd like were you successful? Did you, did you, you know, you have great teammates, you have great friends from your playing days? Did you connect with those guys? Like who are the guys you call on when you later on in your life when you really are looking to hang out with guys that guys are going through the ups and downs of life and things, some things come your way and some things go your way and they just doesn't everything don't work out. But, you know, life is about who our relationships are. What really matters is the memories and the relationships of the people that matter most to us. And how do you pour into them? And then how do you continue to grow and thrive in those areas when it's not about, you know, the last dollar? And why did that become so important to us, you know, in the last 15 years? Well, I mean, yeah, you took a lot of team friendly deals too and with the Patriots, that was kind of the Patriot way. Going back to your relationship with Bella check, I feel like football, there's so much strategy involved with more so than probably most of the other major sports. Like how fun was it with him just like cooking up these like ideas and, you know, how are you guys going to continue to work with football games? Because I would imagine as you did so, people would see what you guys were doing to win and then they would make the adjustments. You had to kind of keep like evolving and I'm sure it was so, so fun chopping up with him all the time. Absolutely. So he's the best coach ever coach in the NFL. He's one of the greatest motivators. There's so many things there's uncanny about his coaching style that he had such high expectations for us that he never let off the gas. Like it didn't matter if it was March, March was really important because March led to April and April was really important because it led to May and so forth all the way up to the start of the season, all the way up to the final games of the season to prepare us for the playoffs. And then if we were fortunate enough to make it to the last game, we were so prepared because every day was important. There was never a day where, you know, you could go in there and underperform on a practice in him not call you out. And it's hard, you know, it's hard to live up to that standard every day. But when you look back, we all appreciate the coaches that got the best out of us. Not the ones that made it easy for us. The players coach, how much did he like me? You know, it's fine. You know, but I think my relationships were more with the players anyway. But it was really like, how did he motivate me to get the best out of me? And some people are motivated, they're motivated by, you know, different things. Some, you know, are motivated by the carrot and some are motivated by the stick. You know, it's a little fear. And sometimes it's a little reward. And I think there's a healthy balance between both. Yeah, you want to win the Super Bowl, but you don't want to get cut. You know, you want to make a pro bowl, but you don't want to disappoint your teammates. So I think like there's good coaches always have the ability to go between both. Like the ones that have a big presence when they walk in and the coach walks in and everyone's got to sit up a little bit more. That's a good coach. Yeah. That coach who comes in and like, oh, you know, Joe's here. He just wants a bullshit with us all the time. Like probably not going to have the most success, you know, because quick maybe, yeah, you get a players coach in and after a year or two, it's like this, they need a disciplined guy again. Absolutely. That's at least with hockey. But I'm sure early in your career, it's a story. But why do we need these coaches that are like the players? I mean, hear this now, because I let's talk to a lot of coaches and the NFL. And they're like, I always point out first, like all the mistakes I made. And I'm like, Jesus Christ. It's because the young kids now. And like, but why is that? Why is this generation so soft? Well, they're just like unwilling to take criticism for lack of performance. Like, why do we allow this with parents? Why do we allow in schools? Why do we allow with coaching where it's okay to mess up and screw up in front of your teammates because you're not prepared or you didn't put the effort in? Why can't we call people out on that? Why do you have to apologize for trying to get the best out of somebody? Yeah. That's what needs to change. And I think that's swung to a certain point. And now it's swinging back where you're like, if you want to be a high performer, there are no days where you can underperform. You're all you're just average because if one day is great and the next day sucks your average, you got to get called out if you weren't doing it. Exactly. Yeah. But like when you were young, I'm assuming Belicex telling you things and you're, you know, you're just taking it all in. But at what point were you able to kind of go back at him? Like, I don't agree with this. Did you ever? Yeah. You must have had some legendary kind of fuck you. Yeah, let's call it right. Do you remember one in particular? Or do you remember when you were able to finally speak back? Good coaches in hockey loved that when you go. Yeah, they go, if you're right and you're clear, they're just off. They're loud. Pop smashed it over your knee. They like, I love that. Fine. Yeah. Yeah. You're a smash ball. It's like loud. I never did that. I never did that. That would be extreme. I think there was a healthy enough respect where if he felt really strong conviction with certain things, I would listen. And if he knew that I felt that I had a really strong conviction, then he would listen to me. And there was a very few times over a 20-year period where, you know, we got really pissed at one another very, very few. Like fewer than you could ever imagine. You know, there was just a lot of respect that he knew that I was always trying to do the best I could for the team. I knew he was always trying to do the best for a team. Did every decision he make was it perfect? Absolutely not. Did every decision I make was it perfect? Absolutely not. But it's that that's what teams are all about. Like I can ride with guys. If man, if I know you're giving everything you got, well, fuck like what I think you're going to make every play? Of course not. There's a game of skill. It's the hardest, you know, you guys so hard to play hockey. So hard to hit a golf ball, so hard to catch every pass or make every tackle or make every block. But don't worry. I got your back. You mess it up. Don't worry. We're going to get the next one. And I'm going to mess up and you're going to mess up. But you know what? We're going to mess up together. And we're going to support each other even when we do it. I mean, how bad is it teams where, you know, you're always pulling the finger at somebody else and looking into it again, today's culture. You lose a game. You pick up your phone. You open your social media. Who do we blame for this? Or your parents? Yo, so and so's, you know, the reason or, you know, your agent. Oh man, he's the reason why you're losing. And it's just fractures this team like these people aren't involved in your team. Yeah, they don't know. They don't nothing. They know zero. They don't know anything. You who knows is the guy you're in this with. So you're in this with these guys, except now you got other people just trying to break you up because why? Because they want to feel like they have some authority over here. They want to feel like they're supportive of you. Like we need to develop these teams, you know, the goals of the team. That's what's most important. So I think like this part of like social media is the dangerous part too because it does fracture teams and it creates the wrong values for really good guys. You know, that like, okay, we're not going to let any of that shit in the locker room. And embellish X turn for that was ignore the noise. There's going to be noise. You win. You lose this. Ignore it. It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is what's in here. Now if there's agendas within the locker room or there's people that, you know, are politicking like that's bullshit too. Like there's got to be a wholesome part of the locker room that you bring in people that truly do care about one another. That do care about trying to do the right things to put you in a position to succeed. I just want to jump in and ask one question. Yeah. I love you. The whole city of Boston loves you. You've given us so much to be happy for over the past 30 years. Do you have any message for the people back in the room? Yeah, for sure. I on a tee for you. Yeah, I love it. I mean, for me, I had 20 magical years, you know, two decades in one place. I built a career there. I built a family there. I built a business there. I built lifelong relationships with that community and my teammates. It's one of the greatest cities in America. And the sports are just, they take kind of pole position always and the support from all the states of New England. It's really unmatched. And there's a wholesomeness to that area growing up. It's all about community, you know, and supporting each other and it's tough and it's demanding. But that's how it should be. But I couldn't have imagined, you know, I grew up in California to Michigan. I went to the exact opposite part of the country in every way. And I think it shaped me in such a positive way. I have so many of my great friends still live there. And it's just an amazing career. And I'm grateful to everybody there who supported us. And Drake Mayo got us another one. Let's see. Like Drake. I love him. Yeah. Okay. He's got all the right. He's got all the right traits. And I'll tell you, I like, I love Mike Rae Boyz, a teammate. He's a buck guy. So, you know, they kind of know it all. And he's got every answer when he played right and practices stuff. Yeah, little bit. He was kind of an average player anyway. So he was great. He was great. I love Mike. But he's, you know, they've got a great program going on. Obviously, Mr. Kraft is just awesome. And Josh McDaniel's one of my best friends. He's coach and Drake May. And they just, they never, they're not straining from what really matters. They're kind of trying to recreate what it really should be like. And that's why they, I think they're, they have an advantage on the field every year. Because they're teaching the kids how to develop and do the right things, the right practice habits, the right study habits, the right team culture, they're playing for one another. And then they're performing at a high level because the coaches are giving these players tactics to succeed. Like, if you're a player and the coach is like, okay, this is what you should do. And you know, it's the wrong thing. Or maybe you don't know because you're too young, but you try and it doesn't work. Like there's a tactical issue. Good coaches tactically are trying to give their players the right angles, you know, the right routes, the right depths constantly over and over. And again, they're not perfect either. But to me, the coaches that are really in it that dig so deep, they just needle through everything every single week to try to put their players in the best position, those are the best coaches. In your post career, you've become like, well, even while you're playing, but more of an entrepreneur in your post career, I mean, no ball, you want to talk about it just quickly and why you got on board. Yeah, I was about three years ago. I had a TB 12 business. I had a Brady apparel business and I was looking to grow and we really needed great leadership in order to move forward with our beliefs in these businesses. And I found the best partner in MicroPoly and we worked to acquire Noble and combine it with TB 12 and with my Brady brand. And you know, we're just doing incredible right now. That's awesome. It's really so much about, yeah, it's product, but it's really a mentality, you know, and Mike calls it the Noble shit mentality. It's like, no excuses. Nobody cares about him anyway. No complaints. Let's just go offer solutions. You know, that's the values that, you know, great sports teams have. That's great businesses have. Make no excuses. Show up your best. Show up and give your best every day for everybody. No bullshit. This is what's all about. Create great products, market them well, reach the masses. And then we can make a great difference in this world. He's got to name a horse noble. Yeah. He's always at the track. He's a horse guy, right? He's a horse guy. He's in everything guy. There's nothing that Mike doesn't have knowledge about and he'll tell you that too. Believe me, Mike, you know, Mike, Mike's one of the smartest, toughest entrepreneurs that I've ever been around. His track record of success is truly unmatched. And he's one of the most unique personalities you've ever met in your life. And I would never bet against him. He is absolutely full steam ahead on everything he does. He is just very inspiring for me. And again, when you talk about people that I've met in my post career, Mike's one of the most impressive people I've ever been around. He has a a knack for making things work and figuring it out. Awesome. Well, thank you so much. This is incredible. Do you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Good luck to you guys. And congratulations on all your success and keep it rolling boys. And hopefully the next thing we get in the sand, a sandbagger. We do the golf video. So we'll see. Uh oh. Okay. 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I just thought it was fascinating that when even when you asked them questions and him talking about the process and how he got to where he did, it just seemed like his mind would always just go to the positive place, right? Even when I asked him a bull bridging the gap between him when he got older and the young guys and for him to be like, no, that's like my job to go out and say hello to them and make them feel comfortable and really adapt to what they're into because, you know, I'm not going to be here in a few years and it's really them coming up and it's going to be their team. So just just the way that his mind worked and giving us that information, like I left that interview like wanting to be a better person and wanting to try to achieve more and having a little bit of a different perspective. So I can't thank him enough for his time and to get that just to him for an hour sit down was incredible. So I don't know what you guys took away from it, but just here in the way that he views life and and how he processes things was crazy. Yeah, I think for us, me, Whit, like growing up, having him be the quarterback of the team that we all love to be able to sit down with him was just such a surreal thing. And then, you know, he post pictures of us after you get in so many texts of people like holy shit, like you realize then like how cool it is. And I was so fucking nervous talking to him like just even being in the same room with him, right? Just greatness. But just a gentleman to the way that he sat down with us embraced us, talked with us before with the cameras were on, talked to us after he hung out with you for a little bit after just like a true gentleman that you can tell just love sports, loves being a part of a team because you know, I think like what we're doing, we're a part of a team and he understands that so it was so fucking cool for me to even be in the same room as him. That guy just loves to compete and and I took away that after we got word, he's down for a nine hole sandbagger. So if we could ever beat him in a sandbagger, I might be done. That might be it. Yeah, shut it. Beat him in an athletic competition. So thank you. Thank you once again. I want to go now. Broberg Philip Broberg. Kind of crazy how this all went down, but he signs a nice ticket eight year extension six million year, 48 million bucks from the blues. Yeah, I mean, looking at McLeod and Buffalo and Broberg and St. Louis, you know, there's there's things that the oilers really miss. Broberg's probably the one guy you wish was still on that team. And unfortunately, that night after signing the extension, he got injured. I don't know how serious it is. Kind of a question will hit by Mark Stone. It looked like that his his foot almost his leg got kind of behind him. You know, that kind of gives him that type of hitting against the boards. It was upper body, but what was impressive was brain Shen came right over and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, and the blues. It's a struggle. Just been a disaster season, but that guy's an animal and stone credit to him too. Good for him. Yeah. I mean, that's not his game. That's not what he does, but squared off with him took a little bit of a beating. I don't know if you saw the hit either guy. Did you think that that was dirty or was it more just kind of bad luck for Broberg? Did you see it? I don't like when the legs are involved, but the leg behind. Yeah. Like the slew foot. It's like a dairy and hatcher. Remember, Darian Hatcher used to get guys like that. Yeah, it's almost like a little bit of a old school can opener slew foot, but it just it opens up, you know, stuff for injury hitting your head. That's it. Like the stuff when you see that stuff now and the guy goes back and hits his head. That's that's the stuff you don't like to see, but credit to both of them for answering the bell with, you know, Shen, obviously, he's a guy that does that. He wears that that see for a reason. He's a leader and then and then stone had to pay the pipe or any did and, yeah, I'd love dead out of both of them. So you guys would obviously say that there's no way that St. Louis is making playoffs. I feel like there's one of the teams that we can cross off the list. They're sitting at 42 points. Right now, I would say Columbus, maybe the only team in the east, I don't trust and I would completely write off the Rangers, Mrs. Sturken out and the devils because Pasha is a fan, but I know, but we we wrote them off early. I'm not going to rip off 10 in a row, but I'm not going to write, I'm not going to write off the Rangers quite yet. I'm going to write off Columbus, Calgary, St. Louis, Winnipeg and Vancouver, Winnipeg being probably the biggest surprise of how shit they've been 39 points. Second, one, the toilet bowl against New Jersey. Yeah, this yeah, that's that's as that's as ugly as it gets as far as expectations to where they are now in Winnipeg. So those are the five teams I've written off. We briefly touched on Anaheim who have lost five in a row where they've fallen off a cliff. They're 500. They're 21, 21 and three right now with 45 points. So what is it plus eight in a row? You talk about, oh, really? Okay, maybe that's like with an O T L with where they got a point. It's got the five five regulation losses in a row. But you talk about hitting the rookie wall. They have a lot of young players that had very strong starts. And now I think that they're they're feeling it. So a lot to still be optimistic about, but off of a cliff right now. Yeah, they were, I mean, they were 11, 3 and 1 and they were to start the year. They were 19, 10 and 1 as of December 9th. Now it's it's ugly. Carlson, he only had one assist in his last nine games. So they lost against Buffalo. He had a goal in an assist. So maybe that kind of gets him going. But he was, he was like, oh, on pace for 100 points, he slowed down a little bit. But Toronto is injured now. He was he was struggling. Strom's been a healthy scratch at times. So that hasn't been good. So it's like not just the young guys. Maybe some veterans haven't played great. I know I think Kalorna's four goals. So it's kind of weird that it looks so good. And then Lucas Dostol. He hasn't been good. And he looked awesome earlier. So everything's kind of switched. I'm not I'm not writing them off yet, though. So we'll see what happens there. But it did look way different. I was I was loving that action I had with Pasha. But this is a weird one. Dronelli is reporting their 071 since they removed the mighty ducts wild wings statue from outside the arena. Now why would they have I did that team history. So they temporarily relocated it. So all the ducks fans right now online are saying bring it back, bring it back, bring it back immediately because they had this statue. It's been outside for this whole rebuild. The team starts buzzing. They get rid of the statue to put it away because they're doing some renovations. And now everything's going to be weird time to move it. I agree. Somebody should pay the price and get canned for that. Yeah, that's not that sounds like a Chicago cut incident, in my opinion. If you're buzzing along, you don't change a thing, guys. Change things when when it gets ugly. You don't change your underwear. If you don't shower, you put your bathing suit on the the windows deal. Yes, you do. It's like, come on guys. Come on, Anaheim. Did you guys see the assist Gee? What is the girl's name? Abby? For Minnesota, Abby Murphy. She's going to be on team USA at the Olympics as well. That was incredible. Same. I think that's one of the best assists I've ever seen in hockey. Yes. Anyone who hasn't seen it, I don't think we could play the clip. We it looks like it was AI generated. Yeah. It doesn't look real with the angles they have of it. Why don't you describe it with as a defenseman who, you know, was walked many a time. Like this one hurts. But I don't think I was ever walked like this. She comes over the blue line. She's a righty. She's on the left side. She flicks the puck up in the air as the defenseman kind of reaches out like what's going on? She knocks it down out of midair through the defender's legs. Then while getting a little ahead of her, the puck, she reaches out with one hand and slides it over. I don't know the goal score who just taps the thing in. I watched it 10 times. It's it's one of the most impressive assists I've ever seen. Just to think to flick it to yourself knowing I'm batting it down after that, batting it between the legs of the defender and then with one hand sliding it over. That's the might be the play of the year so far. That's like Conor. I'm gonna look like Connor McDavid and Alan Iverson in the same person. It was insane. Like the fact that to even think to do that is so wild to me, the demon was probably like what the hell is going to? Oh shit. Oh, yeah. Oh no. Oh no. That's viral. No. Yeah. Oh, look at this puck right here. You're like that lead that the league man. Like some of the hockey has been unreal. Like there's been chippy games. Girls getting absolutely killed, cutting through the middle. Like there's been some that hockey's unreal. The watch has been fun. But that goal right there. It could be the the goal of the year in men's and women's hockey. Yeah. So the one who I mean, we got kicked out for that big hit she lay in the neutral zone. That was a big topic of discussion. And we've mentioned it before on this podcast. I've gotten word that I think that the girls would invite contact. I feel like if they had a league vote, they would actually want it to be added, which I tell you what, like the hockey's been incredible and exciting aside from that. If they add a contact, I think I would be tuning into like every game. That would be fucking unreal to watch and going back, yeah, to that goal. That that should definitely win an SB. And it just reminded me of the semi-pro. That's that's two fouls. Yeah. Two fouls. Sarah. Sarah nurse said to us that they want hitting. I think along the walls, it's it's allowed and courage. It's more the center ice like open ice enormous hit. Yeah, you're allowed to rob out. I don't think the open ice contact is what they're. Yeah. That would be electric. Maybe someday the arena in Italy boys. So the ice was tested. They had the test games. I believe they're playing like seven games in a couple days, kind of just to see how it all holds up. Now what went viral is right off the hop of the first game. There was a hole in the ice. So that it wasn't a bad look. It was like, oh my god. Like really, there's a hole in the ice in the first game. But I read quotes after somebody in the game mentioned, hey, they fixed the hole in five minutes and the ice was actually great. So as a lot of people have said, this is going to work out. It's going to be amazing hockey. The fans may get host a little bit. I think it went from 14,000 seats to 11,000. The locker rooms are not all done. I think the four locker rooms in the arena are done, but they got like 10 more on the outside or whatever. Those, I think it was Chris Johnson. This is crazy. Guy, we're a month away, man. Bringing their bags back to the room to air their gear out, like mincee in your bedroom. Boy, this is a fucking joke. I asked Betman at the outdoor game about how he felt about this. He seemed like he was pissed off. The fact that, buddy, we're the NHL orders in the league are allowing their highest price resources to go over there. And they can't even have the common decency to have the fucking arena ready. It's a, it's a construction site. Look at the videos that Chris Johnson has posted to a social media about how unfinished this arena is. I'm happy that the the ice is good. Are the stands going to be that far away from the boards the entire time? That was good. The joke. The joke. Come on. They don't do. They found out in 2019. So it's come on. Like they've been putting this together quick. I could have built a ring by now. Like, come on. Give them a break. Are you, you're obviously being sarcastic. We're talking about six years to build an arena. I think in North America, it takes about two, maybe three years max. I think there's a rich Carlton being built down the street that's 40 fucking stories high. That's about to be done. It's been two years. How long did it take to build the Bill Stadium? That's going to be ready for an action in our. This is I just feel like it's very just the way the workers they gave them the bat blue. That was it. They got a ton. They got done a couple months. Man, I just I think it's a joke. I think I think they should fucking tell him to fuck off and play the games over here. But who am I? The players are going to like the village is the Olympic village. It's it's going to be yeah, they're not going to be used to like the situations, the living arrangements, the locker room, the the perks you have from playing in the best league in the world. This is going back in time, which hey, who's mentally tough enough? Who doesn't care? Who's like the dog? You guys have the dog on Canterbury and the Americans to not give a shit. Where did the Americans say this is fine? You can put us in a trailer outside. I don't care. We're here to win a gold medal. I'm just happy that the players that played in the game said that the ice was good and that they even have another month to really get it even better. So it's like in Dumb and Dumber. I think we should trash a place. I don't think they're going to get the message. Boys, that about wraps it up. But Darts back two apples in his second game back in Nashville, the black hawks one. They've been abysmal since since he went out so maybe they can get it going again. We're back guys. Little different outfits, possibly so you may be wondering what's going on while breaking news in the National Hockey League after we recorded Dean Evanson fired by the Columbus Blue Jackets. Very surprised. I don't think anyone had him as the first coach to be fired this year in the NHL. I mean, last year, I feel like we had like six firings at this point in the year, but nobody until this moment today, Dean Evanson, let go. He was in his second season, only coach for a year and a half. I believe had another year on his contract. Bizz, I'll start with you. What do you think? Um, I was a little surprised, especially at the like the headway they made last year and how hard they fought, given the circumstances. I thought that that would have been probably like a really good bonding experience for a coach to come in and be able to connect with the players with. So, um, yeah, I guess I was when I read it. I was kind of like shocked. I mean, I said earlier on this pod, like they're out of playoff. I don't think there's any chance they're the one team of the East. I'm writing off. Well, my, my opinion is changing. And at most, okay. So because of bone. So first off, I don't know why he was let go. Let's save for the reason of like, uh, they're in that place. I know with it, but like normally, I don't think I just, I don't think expectations last year were that high. They overexcited them. And yeah, they've been off to a tough start. I would assumed he would have had a longer leash than that as well as everybody else, because you just finished saying, I don't think anybody had this guy be in the first guy to go. So obviously, they probably know something more that we don't. Maybe there's a, there's not great communication to the young guys and they're not crazy about how they're developing, which would probably be in my opinion, the, the biggest focus. And maybe not even getting to the group overall. And that's what they've seen. If you look at any coach available for a cheap dollar amount, I'm assuming what type of guy who's emotionally intelligent, we're at the worst. If he's just brought in for this year, even if he doesn't somehow turn around and hide all the right buttons, where they end up sneaking in playoffs, whatever, but at least be able to bring to management and I, to the organization, this is what I've seen in the half a year that I've been here. I think that this, this, this, this needs fixing. I think this, this isn't good. Here's the information. And then now they can go do what they will in the off season. But for a guy as cheap as bones is who's been around as long as he is, man, that's a fucking pretty good quick solution. I never even considered him as a high. I thought he was done. I thought he was done. And when I say that, I feel like, like, do you agree that he's an emotionally intelligent coach? I always feel like he has the right pulse. Yeah. What he did it Dallas, what he did in Winnipeg, the way that his players, when they address him when he's on the broadcast, like fucking, lorry was crying last year when he, when he saw him on the broadcast. So shocked, I feel bad for Evanston, especially with the connection and the, and what happened last year. Wow. Excited to see what bones can do with this team. Yeah. I agree with you. And I think just thinking quickly, obviously, didn't read too much about why or how ever someone would get fired so quickly, but found a couple of things that, that their third period losses, they have nine third period losses with blown leads and they're a minus 20 in the third period. So that might be something where it's kind of like, okay, that's coaching kind of like we talked about earlier with the New Jersey, like bad starts, bad finishes. You can kind of put that on the coaches. So maybe that's one reason, but usually you don't see a coach. Usually a coach gets more than a year and a half shake, right? Like it's kind of a quick turn around, especially for the headwaves they made last year, but I think bringing in bones is a great call. Like you said, I didn't realize he was even available. I think if you're looking for a guy that's going to help get your team to where you want him to finish at least, like getting, you know, some good momentum into next year. I think he's a good guy for that unbelievable guy. I've got to know him a little bit, but just the awesome, awesome guy. I think because he was a assistant coach for so long, he probably knows how to relate to the players a little bit more. And I think that's kind of the new, the new wave era of kind of the communication with the players. And I feel like bones is is really good at that. And that's probably kind of something that they're looking for. But they hate to see anyone get fired. And then what was the assistant coaches name McCarthy? I think they let him. McCarthy. I remember he played in the forever, right? He'd been there five years, I guess. Now I would say that I would love to look like bones at 70, but he already looks better than me. And I'm turning 43 in a month. I had no clue. He was 70 years old. Yeah, he looks great. I should have based on the fact that he was a head coach, I think in like 88, like the guy's been coaching for 50 years, but all the evolution of track suits that he has on his like pictures on Google image and like to see where they're at to now is it's pretty wild. So last year, man, Evan's been going in and with what happened with with Johnny and they missed the playoffs by two points. They won the last six games of the year. And the vibe going into this year, I don't remember what we all said in the, what is it called the preview previews, but I know I was almost willing to bet posh. I like, Hey, I kind of like Columbus more than Jersey. I think I picked them to make playoffs. If not barely miss, well, they still might have not better than Jersey. Yeah, I know, which is I think they're only three points back of them, but it just seemed like, oh my god, Fantilly second year, they got the Russian mafia. They got the top three defenseman in the league. You know, people say he's behind Quinn Hughes and McCarran, Murenski, maybe not. I mean, you look at the guy, he just leads his team and scoring. How many goals does he have right now? It's, it's, it's it's Murenski's got 16, 16 tie with Marchenko and Veronkov. They're all at 16. So he's leading the team at points by 10. He's tied for the leading goals. He's just he should go absolute superstar. And then Fantilly and then Ken Johnson last year and everyone besides Murenski has, and maybe Marchenko is taking a step back. So you look at it like, is that the coach? Is that the player? And then I read a quote by Wadal who did an interview last week, a few days ago, where he was asked about Dean Evans and his job. And he said, it's my job to kind of look at everything right now. I've been trying to figure out are we losing because of the coach or because of the players and pretty much mostly what I see is because of the players. It's players making mistakes, like almost saying like his job's kind of safe now. Things change. He's maybe not, you know, given out what he really feels at the time in an interview. But yeah, shocking. I do feel bad for Everton. It goes back to how emotional it was for Billy Garant to fire him. You could tell Billy loved him in Minnesota. And then his quote a couple weeks ago, like I wouldn't have minded if he traded for Quinn Hughes when I was coaching the wild. So now he gets fired again. And it seems as though if you get you get let go by many. And then you only get a year and a half with Columbus. Sometimes it's it might be hard for him to ever get another head coaching job. I hope that's not the case because I mean, he seems like a good coach. He seems intense. I don't know if he's really difficult. I don't know if he's hard on guys. And maybe bones isn't isn't isn't isn't like that. I have a little bit more players. Guys will always get a shake like you like like Lane Lambert. Like he gets a job in Seattle. He got his second job though. This was this was right. Yeah, I mean, for a for a league that's just old boys club, you think that the guys usually get two cracks out at the kind of prove themselves or guys without real like Lavia. Let's head more than that Mike Sullivan's head more than that. You know, there's some guys who we're going to get three maybe four towards how many torts had, but I don't and I hope ever to get another chance. But sometimes you wonder, right? Like it's two kind of the stop a point for certain guys. Yeah, I mean, you just put it here. It's basically kind of what Whit said. It's like overachieving last year might have like in fact done them in, right? When you talked about all these guys having these career years like Olivier, did you mention his name in that group of guys? Fuck, he had 20 calls last year and he's been out injured. That sucks. From a fourth liner, right? So it just seemed like everything that possibly could have went right, went right last year and maybe the opposite case with guys regressing a little bit. And then he's the victim of circumstance and buddy, honestly, like sometimes it's like it's not even the court on court coaching element. It's just they need a new guy on their patten on the back saying, hey, you know, let's a little good fucking momentum, good juju, new relationship and it and it turns things around. So it's just like he's a he's collateral damage, I guess. So that's sucks. But hey, a cool story and opportunity for bones to step in and see if he can work as magic. Do you guys agree with what I said? Like maybe I don't know if there's a connection between Wadell and bones. But sometimes if there's a coach that you trust, at least he can go in there, figure out what the culture is like, what the room's like and what needs changing and then bring him that information back. And if he didn't think that Evanston was going to be good enough to turn around for this year and he wasn't bringing him back, why not bring a guy that you trust more in to get that information faster. Talk, Rick talk it had a half a year to prepare before the year he won the Jack Adams in Vancouver. So he as a coach was able to gain that knowledge to prepare himself for moving forward. So I feel like sometimes that half a year is valuable. And it's not used against you from your your clock is ticking. Maybe it's kind of to I mean, they're only seven points out, right? No, but that that's so sneaky. They're done. They're everyone's in front of you agree. But but maybe it's one of those things that Columbus, the management is like, Hey, maybe we do it now and catch lightning in a bottle and can go on. They pretty much said that. Did they? Yeah. Yeah. Almost like I did for buddy. Yeah, look at my whole thing with Yarmale. It's a stepping in like he looks like a god. It's like he's fucking literally just she just changed the name plate in his office. He got the better room. You got the corner suite and told everyone like you might get you might get traded like no enough safe. Nobody's safe. Oh, thanks tips. Fuck me. Do you know what it is? No one is. No for no. Let's think of this. Fucking more soskies kids aren't even safe. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um, but I mean, yeah, crazy, crazy unexpected news to drop in. We're able to also come back on and talk about federals speech Jersey retirement, how classy the rollout was bringing them all. We got on the ice. The core. Is it a Corvette? I didn't know if it was a court. I didn't know what kind of car it was. Like I just saw the beginning, the beginning of the video in the front. Either way, it was a red sports car for a rock star. Might be I can old school Ferrari because apparently he was really into the cars. You're in Detroit, dude. They're going American. They ain't going to Ferrari. Oh, I know, but he's hard core. I mean, war white skates. I got might be fucking dry and around. I'm Bentley. Who know? The team in the old Nike skates cover. And I kind of looked at the picture closely on chick. It looked like almost tape covering over that. That is. That is the chef's kiss right there to do that. And I'm guessing it was the equipment manager. I'd love to know who thought of that. It was a Corvette. Jesus said it was a Corvette. Um, American just just an amazing touch because as we said before, those skates, the commercials he was in the, the flair, the dramatic surge federal one highlight popped over my Twitter today of him scoring every goal in a 5 4 OT win against the capitals. Like okay, so that was the game. Steve. He was talking about it. Wasn't playoffs. I had you guys look at high and dry. That was a regular season game. Right? Oh, yes. I had you guys look at high and dry last year saying it was a play or eyes are pan when I brought him brought up them. Oh, the eyes are pan. But I guess um, he said like it was a big mistake. Ever leaving Detroit and keep me at a good point. I forgot too. Like he went to Anaheim from Detroit. I didn't, I don't know. I kind of forgot where he went. Um, you know, because I knew he ended up in Columbus and he did say, though, you know what? It ended up being a good thing. I tell him at my wife, she gave me these beautiful children. So at all, it all worked out pretty well. I mean, he won what he get 97 98 and then oh, two. So he got three, got three titles. Um, he actually won two selfies. I thought he only won one. He had two of them. Well, I would argue that we'll never see a heart trophy win the silky in the same season ever again. It's not great. Are you? Um, it's not who was the gold? Was it Glen Hall? Who would we just talk about who passed away? Um, God, although there was one of five hundred consecutive. Rod was in Philly. I know. He was Glen Hall. Yeah. And he, he, I think you were off base. It was when we were doing R a R a world, uh, the 510 consecutive starts, like that is the number one never be broken record, maybe in sports. Yeah. But that's it. I don't know. Selky and Selky and heart. We might not see that again. Yeah. That's every heart trophy winner gets 120, 20, 30 points now. Are any of those guys going to be in the conversation for Selky? Is he the only guy that went from forward to D? I know like Brent, Richard and Buflin. On your board. Gone, you're play for he started the NHL. I'm pretty sure that gone. He was a defenseman that went to any defenseman can play it forward. Forward. You can check. You ever played forward. But like, no, Sergey gone, char. The first time first game I ever played with them when he's like sitting on his knees in the locker room drinking a warm cup of tea, taping a stick in between. Oh, yeah. Talk will be in relaxed. Just calm, cool, collected Russian assassin. Yeah. So sick on the. He was nasty. He kind of looks like a grown up version of Stewie Griffin. But like, I wouldn't say that to his face because I have so much respect for him. And I hope he wouldn't be angry if he heard me say that. Do you agree? No. No, Sergey gone char. He's a legend. He's a legend. I'm not saying he looks like sitting here and comparing him to. No, it's like, I will not put that suit on his name. And he pursued hockey. And Peter was very supportive drove him and he turned out to be a somehow got Russian and turned out to be an NHL superstar. I'm sure getting a fight, like kicked out of the game by a ref. Oh, you hockey too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Quargue Myers there checking out the hockey moms. Yeah, Gidee. Yeah. The who's the neighbor, the brown, the black neighbor? Cleveland. Cleveland. Cleveland's like, I don't know the rules. And then Joe, who's the handicap, the handicap guy. Oh, JVR. First goal Red Wing's up one nothing against the hurricane six minutes into the game. Oh, he scored a minute in. Bringing up the Russian five in Constantino being there and like him on the jumbo tron and getting that huge ovation. Obviously, like that's a pretty unbelievable nostalgic night for the Detroit Red Red wings tonight. So that was long overdue. That's one of those teams when you get your jersey retired there. You're in the elite of the elite. Like you look up in the rafters there. It's the who's who of hockey. It's that's that's great company up there. And he deserves to be up there. Yeah, that's a wagon of retired jerseys up there. Oh, and that those jerseys that the Detroit Jersey is so beautiful. I would put it right there with with Chicago. The my it is my most memorable Christmas gift. The red Detroit Red wings, eyes are in Jersey with the sea on it. I like the way the best patch the league has ever. I mean, come on. Don't laugh with that fucking bullshit. That's a lot of that's that's kind of gone through. He's a fucking genius. He's a fucking genius, baby, that can talk more intellectually than I can. That's not an insult. He would kind of sit like this during meetings though. That was low. Yes. Yeah, he's you know, you know, I know we chatted earlier, but we did put out the t-shirts on sale for Kevin. Oh, we did nice. So those are out. And I saw you on the yak today explaining that and big cat wanted to go fund me out there. So awesome that we hopefully can raise some money for his wife. Yeah, no, I appreciate the whole barstall team putting this together so quick. And I thought it was a great idea through I won big cat did it for Chris and it obviously raised a ton of money for him. So anything we can do for Kevin and his family, like I don't know the funeral might be next week. And I'm actually going to be home visiting my parents. So maybe I can attend it and give condolences on behalf of the podcast. But like I said, this is one of those things where called to check in on on on on Frank and say, Hey, how you doing? Sorry, you lost your buddy. And then this story comes out. So I don't know. I felt like it was something that we should bring to light boys because like no, I'm sure there's a lot of things that people are going through on this call. Not many worse than than that. Yeah, that was one of the saddest things I've ever heard and appreciate for hockey illuminati acting on it and and basically being like a frontman for this now and and not knowing about it a few days ago. So that wraps it up. It's store. Barstall sports.com and 100% of the proceeds will go to Kevin's family. So yeah, yeah, sucks for Evanston. Cool for Rick bonus. See if the blue jackets can get going. And once again, congrats to Sergey. Better off a legend. Have a great one.