Share & Free Skate & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne

Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out, presented by eBay Live. I am Pablo Torre, and today you're going to find out what this sound is. It's also how you get the hyaluronic acid out of your penis. You just... Just put a pin in that. Right after this ad. Were we supposed to prepare something for today? Yeah, kind of. You're supposed to pick an Olympic thing you like the most. Good thing is, I'm more prepared for this than I've ever been for anything in my life. And I can help. What I did on the way here was I watched the—oh, do you want to start? Well, start the podcast. Are we recording? I watched a clip of Stephen A. Smith talking about running for president, and my b**** fell out of my ears. I'm actually not prepared for that specifically. I'm a fiscal conservative. I can't stand high taxes. But I'm a social liberal. In the same breath, because I believe in living and let live. I pay attention to the desolate and the disenfranchised. Yes, I like strong borders. That's absolutely true. We never needed open borders, but we don't need it to be completely closed either. We're a gorgeous Mosaic. Sounds like you're getting a stump speech ready, Stephen. No, there's no stump speech. I can give a speech without a note in front of me. He's probably going to be the president. But also, there wouldn't be a reason not to say you're running for president. If you know anything about Stephen A. Smith, it's like if you're hyping, hype. It's like a fight. He's a reasonable centrist who is socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Sure, are we still buying that? You just can't. He can't. He can't. He can't run. He can't run. He might, if he does. Watch out. I have to maybe vote for him. I don't want to talk about this. Sports. These aren't the vibes I wanted to start with. They're not. We last saw each other in 2025. No way. Ew. That's a long time. Yeah, it's February. You missed my birthday. I was going to say belated happy birthday. Oh, my God. Thank you. 26? 39. 39. 39. Zoom in. It's really the creasing of the under eye that starts to become a problem. Yeah, 39 is when the creases really start to set in. Yeah, dude. I'm like, so powder is a no-go because that's just going to get right in there. But that's otherwise doing fine. Thank you guys for asking. Yeah, of course. Happy birthday. Thanks. Whenever it was. January 28th. Whoa. Do you want to know a fact about the number 28? Is this the podcast? Unfortunately. 28 is a perfect number. Did you know that? Yeah, obviously. It is the sum of all of its factors. That's right. Not including itself. Aren't we all? And isn't that a great way to, again, start the podcast? Yes. Another perfect number is the number one that comes at the beginning of things like a podcast. What? You know what? I think that unlike the number 28, the three of us, we're greater than the sum of our factors. Yeah. Well, factors don't. Okay. Yeah. Yes. Thank you. The factors are? Oh, God. A 4.9 rating on WikiFeet. Is that true? Do you have a 4.9? Last I checked, and it was yesterday. Last I checked, it was this morning. unless that picture of my giant clown shoes got out that I sent to you guys. I sent them a picture of my feet kicked up on the desk to show that I was here before anyone else. Shoes on. I wore very, very big shoes today, and so they look gigantic. Yeah. A lug sole. I don't know what that is. Me neither. 4.97. Holy shit. I didn't know we were going to two decimal points. That's huge. That's a 4.9. It might as well just be. I'd be fine with rounding it up to five. Yeah, does that mean somebody, like is that one one person I was gonna say guy but you know what it tells you how many ratings how many people have given me a rating how many ratings 655 no way oh my god is that more or less I haven't retained the number I didn't think it was gonna be that we're doing free product placement for WikiFeet right now that's upsetting here's the promoted content rail I'm gonna screenshot this and show it in the episode it is oh god 10 awesome 80s TV characters that have been forgotten to time okay and it's a gif of ALF great That's actually great. The next one is... Nobody's forgetting Alf, though. Ukrainian malls destroyed by Russia, images will break your heart. Okay, interesting combo. Top nine rarest and most valuable items in the world. Okay. Open that as a new tab. Katie Nolan's feet. And then, can we interact with physical objects using only our thoughts? Question mark. Answer, yes, period. Yeah, probably. And it's a photo of a person who at a distance kind of looks like Katie, but she has her hands wrapped around her neck and is screaming as loudly as she can. You have a privacy screen. I have a privacy screen now. Oh, Jesus. Because I'm just, I don't know. You're just out here moving in scary ways. You're pissing off powerful people. Because I'm on planes and stuff and at coffee shops. Did you see Mark Cuban try to defend tanking on Twitter? Of course I did. Yeah. I just, like, what are we talking about? I don't want to start there either, though. Okay, sorry, go Google. Start the buckets. Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. Welcome to Pablo Torre. He's Pablo Torre. He's Finds Out. I'm me. And that's feet. Here we go. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. So you were in San Francisco for the Super Bowl. Yeah, and I ran into way more waymos than I was interested in seeing. Holy s**t. I do not like, I do not like it. put a driver in the car. I want a person. I want a person all the time. Yeah. I'm not doing self-checkout. I want a person. Oh, then I am doing, I am aligning with the robots. That's the Waymo of cash registers. I know. Okay. I'm not like fully anti having a human help me out. It's just usually easier if I just go boop, boop, boop, boop. Have you been in one? Never. Nor have I. Have you not met me? I'm not doing that. I went in one for the first time. I was in LA for All-Star Weekend. Okay. And it made me think to Michael everything you just said of this clip that I saw recently. Okay. Because this is a video of the chief safety officer of Waymo. Oh, great. A man named Mauricio Pena. He's been called to Capitol Hill to answer some pressing questions. Yes or no, does Waymo employ humans located remotely to help its vehicles navigate difficult driving scenarios? Senator, they provide guidance. They do not remotely drive the vehicles. As you stated, Waymo asks for guidance in certain situations and gets an input, but the Waymo vehicle is always in charge of the dynamic driving task. So that is just one additional input. But the human being helps the vehicle to navigate those difficult driving scenarios. Is that correct? Yes. Okay, so are all of these human operators located in the United States? Are they all here? No, we have some in the U.S. and some abroad. For me, that's fairly shocking. Waymo has critical safety employees who may need to intervene in a split second if a Waymo encounters an unknown dangerous situation located in the United States, but they are outside the United States. In what countries are these employees located? The Philippines. Jimmy? The Philippines. So they are in the Philippines. Yeah. Mr. Peña, that is completely unacceptable. We're too good at driving. Yeah. Have you ever, I mean, have you ever seen driving in the Philippines, by the way? It is fucking psycho. Isn't it like a nightmare of like everything happening at once? I haven't been to Philippines in 10 years, so maybe things are different. but anytime I have been there, I would describe the feeling of being in the passenger seat of any vehicle as harrowing. It is absolutely— Yeah, it's terrifying. The person driving has extreme confidence, and you're, like, going up a mountain, and your van is, like, half the van is on the mountainside. And the person's just, like, gunning it along and listening to f***ing Duran Duran. Air supply tends to be the last sound you hear at an intersection in Metro Manila. This is, of course, the story of what AI actually is. It's just people pretending to be computers. What you think is artificial intelligence and robot drivers is a bunch of Filipino guys. And I love that. I love that. Me too. The chief safety officer went on to say that the actual problems were, of course, you're hiring foreign workers instead of U.S. workers. Do they even have licenses in America? There are safety concerns fundamentally of like remotely. Like, Katie, this is like playing Crazy Taxi, but you're driving someone in a car that you're not in. What I don't fully understand is— He said it helps with guidance in difficult situations. Because he said that the car itself is always doing the dynamic driving task. Yes. So I actually don't understand what the Filipino is doing. I think it's a big, ground, and increasingly tan to beige zone. There's like a laundry robot that's kind of a similar thing. It's like an in-house assistant, a humanoid robot. But then it's also like, there's a guy. There's a guy someplace else operating this. And it's like, is that AI? In your house? Or is it just Charles just in another house doing it? This all depresses me because then I think about how much of our economy is tied up in these AI companies and the fact that like if we admit that it's just a bunch of guys in the Philippines, it all kind of comes crashing down. So it's like we half have to pretend that the AI is so good it can do this. And then other half have to pretend it's not that talented and skilled because if it is, then it's going to take everything over and no one's going to have any jobs anymore. So we're just in this really fun place where it's like, either way, pretty bad. And so what I'd like to focus on is, can we be done with those tiny water bottles? Those tiny water bottles? The deposition water bottle? That guy had the driest mouth, and I can tell he was rationing that tiny little water bottle. And I think the reason we did that is because we were trying to reduce, reuse, whatever. At this point, nobody's supposed to be drinking water out of the bottle anyway. Right. Now the little ones, you have to drink eight of them to get through a deposition. Can we just give the guy a full-size bottle of water? This was the Marco Rubio problem. Yes, the little— Death by a thousand tiny sips. Yeah, so enough of that. Then how's he doing? Yeah, he's— That ended him, right? I think AI is trash. I mean, I think there are some things that it's good for, obviously. Like, it's a better Google than Google. You know what I mean? Although Google has— Sometimes, sometimes. Barely. Not in sports. It gets the numbers wrong. I guess that's true. All the time. Did you guys— Okay, did you guys, did you guys, there's another story. I'm actually bringing topics as I've been constipated with topics. Yeah, I thought we were going to do Olympics. I'm ready. We'll get to that, I think. We'll fly through everything. ADD episodes. Speed round. Whee! So the BBC, the headline is, I hacked ChatGPT and Google's AI, Dash, and it only took 20 minutes. Oh! And it's about a guy who, a tech journalist. Oh! Who established himself as, here's the superlative, I want to get this correct, the best tech journalist at eating hot dogs And everything he wrote was fake An oddly close competition It was really tight I don know if that what I would have personally faked for myself if I could invent any superlative But he successfully became, according to, yeah, search engines and ChatGPT, Google and ChatGPT, this superlative because he wrote about it and then just did enough with the search terms. I think I've seen people do stuff like this where they create a press release for themselves. He's now hosting the best podcast in the world and because it's in the text of a document that's on the internet, AI will go, oh, this is the best podcast in the world. A friend of mine got scammed this way and I pointed that out to her and we don't talk anymore. Oh, no. This is like an exact, this is hitting close to home. What was the scam's outline? Somebody was pretending to be someone who had made millions of dollars off of YouTube by automating content and basically posting it so it would make passive income, basically. You're leaving money on the table because you can AI generate content that will post itself, will get a ton of views and you just sit there and let it rake in the cash. And he like paid for himself to be written about in a thing that looked like a newspaper. And if you got all the way to the bottom, it was like, this is not editorial content by the newspaper. This was paid for by this person. And so I just sort of was like, this doesn't feel, it also is like, you're calling me to tell me that you're going to start a YouTube slot page as I'm like relaunching my own YouTube. It's like, I know a little bit about how it works. And like what you're basically saying is like kind of messed up morally, but I also think this guy might be scamming you. And I have not heard from her. She was like, I have to go. I won't be continuing this conversation anymore. Wow. Best friend. Damn. The effects of AI and the way people are able to just invent their own reality now is like really, it's terrifying to me. So I would like to talk about the Olympics, please. Well, before we do that, before we do that, there is the other aspect of the story, which is where has it worked well? And it's like, oh, self-checkout, right? Yeah. Do you guys remember the Amazon Go stores? Yeah. Are those not around anymore? More like Amazon gone. Did they wait? Amazon went away? Yes. Did you want this? Kind of. They had this just walk out technology in which you just walked out. You didn't have to scan it. Oh, yeah. This I remember. They had this at the airport, too. They still have it? So some places have experimented, piloted this. I don't know if it still exists anywhere. One of the reasons why Amazon Go, apparently, no longer does it, according to this reporting, and was first broken by the information, It's that like the Waymo car, there was not some super futuristic technology that already eliminated humans. What there was, in fact, was people in India who were watching you shop on a camera and ringing up the items to make sure that they got it right. It's Zoom cashiers. Like, supposedly it's the robot that's taking your job, but it's really the Indians who are taking the job of the robot or like the Filipinos. Honestly, more power to them. I say more power to them. But I'd rather just eliminate the artifice and just be like, instead of you having to ring out, just so you know, 60 Filipino guys are watching you shop right now. They're checking to see everything. There are 600 cameras in here, and it's 10 per Filipino, and they're watching every angle of the store. You know what else has a just walk out policy? The ocean. You can just walk out into it, and this will all be over. And you don't have to worry about any of this anymore. I forgot to inform you that the ocean is now also 60 Filipino guys. Oh, come on! I would love it. I would love if that's all the ocean was. What used to be the ocean is now 60 Filipinos. I'm diving in. All your titos and titas are in the ocean. We gave Times employees a preview of cross-play from New York Times games. And here's what they had to say. I can finally play with other people. Play with friends that you already know. or you can just be matched with someone else in the world. I have a J for 10 points, and I can put that on a double letter. So J-A-M, that's 24 points. I'm going to take facts and make it faxes for 30 points. I'm guessing tanga is not a word. Let's see. Tanga is a word. Oh. I don't know what tanga means, so I'm going to press down on the word, and oh, definition popped up. As in English as a second language speaker, I like to learn new words. I'm pretty competitive. It's fun to beat friends and co-workers. New York Times game subscribers get full access to Crossplay, our first two-player word game. Subscribe now for a special offer on all of our games. Speaking of... What? Diving, which is a sport. In the Summer Olympics. Speaking of oceans of foreigners. Okay, that's good. We're getting closer. Bodies of water. Yep, keep going. You're almost there. Let's talk about the Olympics. Yes, please. What an Olympics we've had. Katie Nolan came in revved in a way that has almost never been witnessed. What? In this studio. I'm always revved. Yeah, she's revved. But this is a sports. This is. Rum, rum. Oh, by the actual sport. For the YouTube audience, Katie Nolan is revving. Yeah. I think they knew. They could tell. I don't know. They could feel it through the microphone. Can we start by talking about Alyssa Liu? This is an episode about Asian people. Sure. And I would love for you to do that. Sure. Alyssa Liu, are you familiar at all? Yes, she won the gold medal. Yes. Is that how much more do you know about her? I'm going to tell you everything I know about her. Please. She has cool hair. Yeah, definitely. I think she pierced the inside of her herself. Uh-huh. And then she was skating. And then she was like, I'm not actually having fun skating. She peaced out. She came back. She's like, you know what? I'm doing this for myself. This one's for me. And then she won the gold. She brought a gold medal to the United States for the first, in women's figure skating for the first time in 24 years. It's our first medal in 20 years. We've been desperate for a woman to get out there and skate for us and bring home some hardware. And she did. And that in itself is revolutionary. And I know just enough to sell this woman and her story to you and Wyatt Maggars so much. she was the youngest woman ever to win nationals, I believe, US nationals. She was 13 years old. Wow. She then became, I think, the youngest woman to win it twice. She was 14. Then she went to an Olympics. She, at 16 years old, think of how hard you would have to like focus only on this thing to get to be that good at it by the time you're that age, that young. So at 16, she was just like, I'm not going to have a childhood. I don't have any friends. I don't know how to interact with people. I eat, sleep, breathe figure skating. And so she retired. She goes and travels the world. She like does not pick up her figure skates. She goes on trips with friends. She went to like base camp at Mount Everest. She's snowboarding on a trip with her friends two years after retiring, maybe a year and a half. And she's like having fun competing. She feels like this pull of competition. And she was like, could this be what figure skating is? Could I do this with what I'm really, really good at? Instead of being so stressed that any mistake I make is going to cost me every dream I've ever had, can I instead go into it like, oh, I'm actually really good at this. Watch what I can do and let's see if I can get gold with that. And so she came back to figure skating. Her coaches were like, uh, I don't know if this is a good idea. She said, I'm coming back on my own terms. I pick my music. I want to say in what I get to wear. No one's going to tell me what I can and can't eat. When I tell you I want to push, let's push. When I tell you I need to take a break, we take a break. I'm in charge. Let's go do this. And her coaches were like, okay. She comes back. She wins, I believe, worlds this last year because that's when she got on my radar. I saw her short program and I was like, it moved me. And seeing the way she moved to the music, I believe, is it Worlds that she won 2020? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2025, she became the first U.S. woman to win the world title since Kimi Meissner in 2006. That's right. I was like, this is gorgeous. This woman is connected to that music in a way that it looks like I'm watching how that music would look if it could figure skate. Beautiful, gorgeous, stunning. She wins. Coming into this Olympics, we had three women who could potentially win. And a lot of it was riding on this woman, Amber Glenn. Short program first, free skate. And it's like the combination of those two decides the winner. So they do the short program. Amber Glenn skates. Makes one tiny mistake, but it costs her a lot. She goes to like 13th or 15th or something at the end of the short program. So everyone's like, oh, she blew it. Which I'm like, those people don't get it. She still has a chance for redemption. And she comes out and she skates. And she skates so well, almost perfect, she ends up finishing in fifth. So a huge redemption story for her. Love that. Then we have Isabeau. She's younger. This is her first Olympics. She had a shaky skate, which is really uncharacteristic for her, but it's also part of her story, and it shows that she can grow from that, come back next to Olympics, and maybe also have a shot at the medal. Nobody was really talking about Alyssa Liu. She had finished in third after the short program. The short program is the one I love. I love this song. Because the song is about romantic love. It's about somebody that you, it's, the chorus is, um... Shake that thing. I believe it's shake that thing, Miss Joanna. No, the chorus is like, it hurts trying to love you, but I've actually tried not loving you, and that hurts worse. And then when you put it in the context of figure skating, that she tried to walk away from it and returns to it. I don't know. I've cried so much about this girl. So she comes in to the free skate, and it's to Donna Summer's MacArthur Park. The MacArthur Park suite, yes. Yes. It is, which is perfect because if you know anything about Free Skate, after watching the short program, you're like, I get why they named that. That and this one's long. This is a long, a lot of people use like three different parts of songs usually and they'll mix them together. One girl used like a song from a movie but included lines of dialogue from the movie and I just gotta say. I love that. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I want the opposite of when you're doing karaoke and it's instrumental. I want a bunch of dialogue. Well, it's just that long bar that fills up. Because that is the worst part of karaoke. No, that's when you're fellowshipping. Yeah, true. Okay, well, you're not done, though. Keep going. You're so right. So she skates to a song that on its own starts out sounding like a ballad. And then it builds to, by the end, there's space sounds in that song. It's going like pew, pew. It's like joyful and triumphant and jubilant. and she has these moves in her routine that like you don think you know you think of figure skaters you think of like perfect and she has perfect lines She won the gold But she also gets on her knees Yeah it different Skating around and like showing She having so much fun And then she won the gold medal. And it's like, what? Every interview, she's like, I don't feel pressure. I don't feel pressure. I'm excited. I'm excited to get out there and skate and show everybody. Then when she finds out she wins gold, she runs over to the young girl from Japan who just found out that she got bronze, and she's, like, hyping her up. Like, I think a lot of women are bringing up Alyssa Liu to their therapists this week. I just, it's a theory I have, because it's just, I don't know, guys, after the women's gymnastics, Larry Nassar of it all, like, that was a f***ing gut punch to, I think a lot of people, I'm not saying this is just a uniquely female problem or a woman thing, but they had to go through that guy to achieve their dream. He was the team doctor for the Olympic team. It was, there was no like, I would do this if I didn't have to deal with, you don't have that much power. So to see her and that performance, the one who won is the one who was like, when I want to stop, we stop. When I want to push it, we push it. You can't tell me what I can eat. An empowered woman just went out there and like she won gold in like the most pure way. It was so, and like even if none of that's speaking to you the mental fortitude to not let the competition or the stage or the pressure touch you in any way. That's so She's amazing. And also I want to stop talking about her so she doesn't, nobody I don't want anyone to ruin this or make her do anything she doesn't want to do. I want us all to leave her alone. I've started investigating her already in the last five minutes of you talking. I just love her, and I love what she means for the sport. This is the context that is making me— You're very inspired. The context that has connected all these dots for me, because I didn't totally understand until you just said all of that, why this has been so affecting and why it's gone so viral, is that in sports, there has been this ongoing movement towards total cynicism. And I get why. I'm investigating often reasons to be cynical about all of this. I'm maybe part of the problem in that regard. We'll get to that some other episode. But the drought of women, American women, not winning, the way that would increase the pressure and cause any normal person to just flop sweat and choke, to have someone who overcomes all of that... I mean, the reason why sports are awesome is because sports are hard. It's supposed to be difficult. You're supposed to fail. You're supposed to choke. You're supposed to go insane, often sometimes clinically, because it's so difficult. And so the idea that you could surpass that while being legitimately joyful and happy and, like, self-directed is so rare in any aspect of sports anymore. Yeah. Because it's all so optimized now. It's all so pressurized and strategized. and now I'm about to accidentally quote grease lightning. It's electrifying. It is. It's also that the athletes who are so special in a lot of ways, like when in moments where I've been like extremely high pressure and felt super stressed out, you have that like attenuating of your focus where like everything is blacked out and you're into like actual tunnel vision. And then there are some people who when you watch them, you have the experience of being like, oh, I think this person can still see everything somehow. and they like are fully living in the experience of excelling at the thing that they were meant to do. And that is really like, I watched the U.S. women's Olympic hockey team and it's that same kind of feeling of like, man, they are like purely in like raw joy right now. And it's so f***ing fun to watch. That goal was sick, by the way. Incredible. And Hillary Knight being the one who scored it, to take them to overtime, Hillary Knight scored, it's like three minutes left. And she set a record. She's now the record holder for goals and points for the United States. Just like, and she's retiring. So it's like, that game was also crazy and the best. There's also a weird feeling that I have watching the Olympics now where there's a little bit of, are we the bad guys? I know. Do you know what I mean? So you're watching it? It's why a USA-Canada matchup isn't, I mean, look, I've been letting, I've been giving myself this for the Olympics. I root for America. I root for America in everything. I'm not thrilled with America. I've got notes. I've got notes for America. But we get two weeks of the Olympics. If I root against America, I'm what my critics think I am. They think I'm an anti-American. They think I hate this country and I'm ashamed of it. I love this country. I'm having a hard time believing in it. And so I'm believing in them for these two weeks. I know everybody's got their own line with where they draw the line on where politics or whatever of it all. And I know it's more than politics at this point. But my reasoning and my explanation is I need these two weeks of joy. I need to believe in this country. And I need to root for these athletes who don't have anything really to do with what's going on. And they are one of us. They are our brethren. Whenever there's any kind of global competition, I'm proud to be American and always have been. but I'm not like waving a flag outside my house, et cetera. Yeah, yeah, I'm not like abusing people over it. During the Olympics or the World Cup or the f***ing World Baseball Classic or what's the golf one? The Ryder Cup. The Ryder Cup, thank you. Whenever any kind of global competition happens, I find myself becoming a rabid jingoist. Like all of a sudden I'm like, to hell with Lichtenstein or whatever. Do you know what I mean? It rises up through me from the center of the earth. Yes. but just because of the way things are now I am like, oh no, am I, who, what? You zoom out and you go, we're the bad guys in this book. Yes, exactly. Every single athlete, I'm rooting for them. Every single one. But in the Winter Olympics especially and this goes to the figure skating drought this goes to the fact that we can't ski jump for s**t. Yeah, dude. We also can't do the shooting sport. I'm sorry, we can't medal in the shooting sport? Yeah. What about that second amendment? Yeah, we got kids over here who could do that. We're underdogs. We're underdogs. Yeah. Often. Yeah. Often. Yeah. Not in all the things. Yeah. But in a lot of, I mean, part of what I love is realizing how much these other countries desperately, desperately want any edge they can get. Like my favorite Olympic story was the dudes injecting s*** into their penises. It wasn't s***. It was hyaluronic acid. Which people are putting it here. Yeah. If there's actually a commercial where Eva Longoria was trying to help people understand how to pronounce that. Hyaluronic acid. Oh, good. I wasn't sure from the way you phrased it before if she was looking dead in the camera and going, it's pronounced penis. Oh, my God. It's the way, going back to the thing, it's the way I feel about being a Yankees fan, where there's some seasons where it's like, and we bought all the players. We have everybody. It's harder to root. I forgot this about you. And you. Sorry. I'm in enemy territory, and I forget. Sorry you're allergic to greatness. Huh? Hyaluronic acid. Yeah. So we've covered ski jumping on this show, and the scandal around ski jumping that looked prophetic in ways I never dreamed was around Crotchgate, was what it was called before, because Norway, which cares the most about ski jumping. And Norway's first, right? Norway's first. Yes, yes. They are the Yankees of ski jumping. This is their Super Bowl. They love the winner of this. I think that's great, but we should— Aren't there like seven people in Norway? What's the population? It's enough that if you were to win bronze and use your platform to point out your girlfriend that you cheated on, it's enough that you go, that's too, it's too much. There's so many good ones. Okay, I cut you off. There's so many good ones. There's so many good ones, but you were in the penis. The very short and long of it is that the suit, the ski jumping suit is so aerodynamically calibrated that there are significant competitive edges in what is effectively a penis parachute. Yes. So if you can get your suit to be bigger anywhere, you get an edge because of the drag and the way physics works. Okay. And so what they do in this sport is that they will strip you down to your underwear, to like spandex underwear, and they will 3D effectively like scan you like a TSA and measure your suit to your body specifications. And so in the crotch gate scandal with Norway, what they did was they had a sewing machine. We have video, a sewing machine, which they will just, after you get measured, they will edit the suit. in this scandal, in penis gate, as it's been called in various spots, they were injecting hyaluronic acid. To make your penis bigger. So that when you get measured... So that when their penis went back to regular size, because I assume it does, because it's probably biodegradable and your body probably eats... Because it's not a miracle product. Right, it doesn't stay forever. And it doesn't stay forever. Their penis will go back to regular size. The circumference temporarily increases. Girth. Your measurement is taken on that girth. I see. And then you become... Then you have extra fabric when your penis goes back to being tiny. When you go back to whatever is smaller than a pumpkin in the carriage metaphor, I was going to attempt. Okay, and it doesn't... So there'd be no reason for anybody to buy a bunch of this stuff, say, after this episode, and then go and shoot it in there. You can put it in your penis. The reason that's what they're using and putting in their penis is because they're putting that in penises elsewhere in the world. If you want to get your penis to look a little girthier, you're well within your rights to go to a doctor and they put hyaluronic acid into your... I don't feel like acid should be inside of my penis. I don't think it's ass. It doesn't burn like that. I put it on my face. Okay. Again, and I'd like to move on very quickly from any comparison. Don't even just keep going. Just go. And so I just, it is a, I checked they don't go through the tip. I never would have once thought they went through the tip. The guy who produces my radio show did. Where are they going? I think they go at the base of the shaft. Please can we move on? You would never put the needle into your tip. My dad is a urologist. So you should know. LeBron James, a Filipino urologist. Even thinking about it is really horrific to me. I know, I'm really sorry. We can move on. But wait, something else I want to say about this. But it gets them nine feet. When I saw the number, I was like, seven to nine feet. Not their penis. It's math. Because that'd be really easy to catch. Advantage of in the air when they're like, you know, ski jumping is the one where they're like, you know. Like little flying squirrels kind of. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it just gives them, it can give them up to seven to nine feet. A nine foot penis would be very noticeable. It'd be hard to pass that off. Yeah. Today, your penis appears to be taller than your whole body. Did you get a haircut? Something's different. Something different Are you doing pole vault now No But what you telling me about this sport also oh no I guess Never mind I was going to say that you have a natural advantage if your penis is bigger but you don because your penis is always that size You get measured to— No, you don't. Because I was going to say, the big penis people have enough already. Don't they? Don't they? They don't need another. Yeah. Well, hold on. Here's the update on this story. Ding-de-ding-ding. Yeah, Norway won. Norway won. Yeah, Norway did great. Norway did great. God damn it. Norway won at what? Ski jumping. Oh, okay, yeah. There's just so many different types of ski jumping. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen Ski Moe? The new sport, Ski Moe. Is that a Waymo that skis for you? I wish. It's ski mountaineering. I still don't really fully understand it. I haven't dived in. I've been fully into Alyssa Liu. I've watched that routine 16 times. The only song I'm listening to when I walk anywhere is the song that she dances to. I'm obsessed! Shake that thing. That's right. Sean Paul. Tony Gonsolin. The, what was I saying? What was I? Ski mountaineering. You have to ski up the mountain. Tony Gonsolin is the pitcher? Used to be a pitcher, yeah. He still is, but he used to be on the Dodgers. I don't know where he is now. So you ski up the mountain? Then you've got to take your skis off. You've got to use the stairs, okay? Stairs in an Olympic sport had me very confused because I've watched a lot of slippery stairs on ESPN The Ocho. That airs at like 2 a.m. They put soap on stairs, and you have to try to get your way to the top. they have to then go up these stairs and then I think ski down the mountain. You ski up? Is anybody when you get to the bottom of the mountain and start skiing up, is there no one there to be like, oh buddy, you're going the wrong way? No, I think going the wrong way is the whole point. That's crazy. I know, and that's a new sport this year. Ski-mo. And then the dual moguls is also new. That was really fun. Is that this one? Yes, it's exactly that. But it's two people at a time, which I love. They do that in some of the speed skating stuff too, because then you get to hear those two stories and they can really tell you a story as they make their way down the mountain or around the track. So it's two people against each other. They've got a little jump, right, on their skis. And then they land and have to keep going on moguls. My knees could never. And then they do another big jump at the end. One guy crossed the finish line backwards. Backwards. I saw. The Japanese guy. It was sick. Sick. But I like that one because it gives the appearance of kind of like gelatinous knees. You're like, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, exactly. It's very pliability necessary. What was the sport? Oh, Slalom, where the guy walked into the forest. Yeah. I loved that one. What do you mean he walked into the forest? Did you see when somebody put the Werner Herzog voiceover over it? It's so good. So this guy. So Norway, again, Norway. Norwegian, he was skiing in the Slalom. He was like a favorite for the gold medal. Slalom is this one. Yep, and it's the skinny poles that you have to get on the right side. Oh, one guy got hit in the dick, right? One guy got hit in the dick real good? I don't know, I'm not following all the dick-related news, but I believe that. But you are. I saw that clip. Yeah, there was. and so he was skiing. He was the favorite. His ski, I mean, you see, it's just like, it's actively snowing, I believe, when this happens. Maybe not, but it happened for a couple of the cross-country women's races. It was like the Sweden one was nuts. But his ski goes a little the wrong way and it goes to the wrong side of a pole and just like that, he's done. It's over. The guy who happened to be right in his eyesight, eyeline when it happened was the coach of the guy who now was going to win because this guy is out. This guy also, he had found out his grandpa died. The skier? The skier, the Norwegian skier. during the opening ceremonies. And so he was like, I'm going to keep going because it's what my grandpa would have wanted. And then this happens. This is how it happens. This stupid little mistake is why he can't. And so he like throws his poles out into the snow, gets underneath the netting, basically walks out into the ocean. He just like skis off over into the woods, collapses on the ground. And you just see him like fold his hands on his chest and just like look up at the sky. And it's just like, yeah, dude, I get it. Yeah, that would suck. And you just watch him like sit in it. Obviously on some level I get it, but the way in which I will never get it is you are this far from being the best in, like indisputably the best in the world. And it's part of your story. You know, use it as a redemption. Michaela Schifrin, another great example, who had three did not finishes last, DNFs, last Olympics 2022. She was like the one going in, all the commercials were about Michaela Schifrin. All the commercials were like, Michaela Schifrin goes for gold. We saw her win gold when she was like 18 or something, really early in her Olympic career. She didn't finish three of her races last Olympics. People were like, what's going on with Michaela Schifrin? Because she's wiping out? A number of different things that just went wrong. She was just... There's an actual like psychological story. Right. 2020... Like the twisties kind of. 2020, she lost her dad who He was at all of her races. She was trying to deal with grief, learning that it's not linear. It kind of hits you when it hits you. And then this Olympics, she won. And she won by a margin of victory that's so big that if you added up the margin of victory that this race has been won by in the last eight Olympics, it equals what she won by in this Olympics. And she said after the race that some part of me was resisting this because I don't want to win a gold medal without my dad. It's not something I wanted. And she's like, and today I sort of just accepted that this is what it is. And I let myself win this. And it was like, what a profound perspective to have discovered. That's so freaking beautiful. I know. It's awesome. The Olympics f***ing rule. I love them so much. I went in admittedly being like, oh, I don't care. I know. Grumpy. And it's probably the cool, it's probably. It was overlapping with the Super Bowl. There's a lot going on. And I am always underestimating what it is when sports gets to be bigger than just like the main things that everybody knows. Yeah. Sports is this high school in which, yeah, there are a lot of weird clubs. Well, it also has an antidote to the thing, the AI of it all that we were talking about before. This is like, oh, it's the one thing that might be left. Dude, I have to read you this tweet that I saw from a guy who was like, I'm not a sports guy, but it seems to me that this kind of genuine, unbridled, emotional joy generated by actual human achievement and not data centers is something we really need to see these days. And I said, sounds like you're a sports guy. It's true. That's what sports is. There are really, obviously, vanishingly few things that are like we can assert our humanity in, and sports is one of them. And that's like, obviously, at the Olympics, but it's also at the f***ing Y on the weekend with your boys playing b-ball. It's like one of the few times that you're not plugged into something. We're in a couple of guys who are up to no good. Sorry, you said playing b-ball and it triggered me. Your ADD went bing. I got activated. I will watch Michael Cruz Kane play pickup basketball on Instagram. I would. Wait, I can't? You can't. Are you telling me it's available to me? Sometimes you can't. And very much unlike NBC's Olympics video policy, we could use them on the show right now. I think all those clips are in stories, So I don't think even looking at them as hard as they can, I don't think they'll find it. No, ephemera. Exactly. And that's the beauty of it. They aren't meant for this world. They're not supposed to stay forever. Everything has to live in the world. If you want a video— That's why the rights to his Instagram story are so hard to get because you got to watch them live. If you want to see a video of me, quote unquote, jumping— Yes. Maybe one centimeter off the ground— Very much so. You're going to have to be following me on Instagram. So what do we find out today? Oh, so much. God, where to begin? Don't both look at me. you what did you find out that you're a Yankees fan I don't know if I knew that actually really don't know if I knew that I mean honestly this I'm like we're going back like 20 years when the Yankees started to like just collect all the most expensive players I kind of dropped off at that point I was like I thought you were going to say that that's when he got in on it no that's when I got out learning more even now the end of the like the Hideki Matsui time I was like I'm kind of done now you know what I mean I'm doing a Hideki Matsui and a story you're doing a story about his porn collection you're doing more on the porn collection we're going to put a pin in that We're going to pin in that. Okay, sorry. We're going to pin in that. We're going to absolutely use the verb correctly. We have to put a pin in the porn collection. Put a pin in that is one of the porns that he owns, probably. It's also how you get the hyaluronic acid out of your penis. Just put a pin in that. Okay, what did we learn today? Today, oh God, so many things. Well, I learned a lot about Alyssa Liu. Yeah. And I think that's fantastic. Yeah. You should show her routines to your daughter if you can. I will. and also her interviews too because that feels like something. Yeah, absolutely. That feels like something. It is. It's definitely something. What did you find out today, Pablo? I found out while scrolling Wikipedia furiously during your extensive research. She also skated to Les Miserables, which I love. Oh, fuck yeah. Alyssa Lu did? What song? Or is that going to be in the gala? Oh, and again, this will be out on Tuesday. In 2017-18, her free skate program. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, to old Lu, back when she was still, you know. But Les Miserables is a three and a half hour thing. What specifically? You can't just say she skated to a song from. I would guess it's. Let's guess. What's the one I'm thinking? What's the one? I dreamed a dream or something maybe? The confrontation. No way. That would be incredible, but no way. Sing the pretty one. I dreamed a dream in days gone by. That's not it. Okay. Sing the pretty one. On my own. That one. That one. Could be that one. Okay, wait. Do you know who was the last person to win a gold medal for the United States in women's figure skating? Yes. But this is mean because I don't remember her name right now. Because it was the woman after Terry Lipinski. Yes. I found this out because in my mind, I had made it Michelle Kwan, but it wasn't. No, not even. It was, I think her name was Sarah Hughes. Sarah Hughes. That's exactly right. I think she went to Yale. She did go to Yale. How is that what you found out on this podcast when we just had to look it up? No, I found that. That's not what I found out on this podcast. That's something I knew coming in here today. Because what I keep up on, always, I'm always up on who the last woman was to win a gold medal. Really? U.S. figure skating. Nice. Yeah, and now it's Alyssa Liu. But before that, it was Sarah Hughes. And before that, it was, you know. Tara Lipinski. Tara Lipinski. I think that's the show. Yeah. And much like artificial intelligence, much like any Waymo, much like any number of technologies that I want to split open now just to see what's inside the Boston Dynamics robot, this program, I'm proud to say, is also largely a bunch of Filipino dudes and their friend. Yeah. That's right. Sick. Happy to be their friend. As it should be. Yeah. I think we have to stop. I like to end by looking directly into the camera. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time. Thank you.