To All The Boys Who F*** Us Over with Brittany Cartwright and Janet Caperna

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You were just getting sassy in the Uber. Okay. We're starting off hot. You guys, we went to the unlikely affair party last night in Sausalito. Is that how you say it? Sausalito. And Janet did get spicy in the Uber. But to be fair, to be fair. Let me defend myself. Defend. Go for it. You asked the Uber driver to pull over for a third time to connect to the music on a bridge at 10 p.m. But he never pulled over. No, he pulled over two times before that. I don't remember that. that's why the third I was like third strike we're out we're going home I just wanted some music on because that was a long ride that was oh you were playing it though right in his and you were going and you were looking at the and you were like I say my own name Darren Sykes oh yeah yeah yeah I was in the backseat I was like say pussy one more time I dare you Brittany and I in Ubers yeah we love doing that you should see us I'm afraid of what you guys do alone when I'm not there. We have fun. When you're not around, we have some fun. When mom comes around, fun squash. A nice reasonable volume would be good. Why did we have to pull over three times for it? I wouldn't not connect. The first two times you started to ask him to connect and then you were like, I got to tag this photo really quick. Hold on. And he's like, I got to keep going. He looked exhausted when he dropped this off. He's like, dude, get out of my car. Oh yeah. I was like, who's Uber rating is this destroying right now? Yours? No. I heart's. So all good. Great. Sorry, guys. I'm always nice about it, though. Oh, no, forever. I'm always nice about it, though, so they probably still like this. You were very funny and endearing. Janet was... I was in the backseat, tired, ready to go home. I was like, not the third. Amber was in her spiral over the Epstein files. Valid. So valid. You're so seen. And I got you. We're right here. Thank you. So Amber, you've met Brittany and Janet before. Yeah. And have we spent time? Remind me. Have we spent time together? I'm only at maybe like birthday parties, right? Yeah. Maybe like once. The first time I remember us spending a lot of time together was when Cameron was a baby. And immediately upon walking to Lala's, you were like, give me. And you were like, baby whisperer. And then I was like, great. And I was like, as long as she's good, I think I let you go for like an hour. Really? Yeah. You were like holding Cameron for forever. And I loved it. Yeah. Thank you for letting me hold your baby. Thank you for taking them. I've been known to steal people's baby on the street. I'm like, oh, you need help? Like, I'm the worst on the plane too. I'm like, baby screaming. And I'm like, here, let me help you. That's amazing. You're the best. You're the dream on the plane. I love it. I would give you my baby on the plane. So it's very, very, obviously, you know, Brittany, because we did Vanderpump Rules together. But it's so crazy to like have the four of us in this room together when season four of Vanderpump, I was very hard to stomach for a lot of people. And then I was labeled the homewrecking whore. And now obviously Brittany is one of my dearest friends and we all, we all, um, found common ground and became friends. But now the fact that Amber is in the mix, it's just such a, I have these moments all the time where I'm like, what a beautiful full circle moment. I opened the shower last night and Amber's on the toilet. She's like, I'm peeing. I was like, we're all very comfortable with each other. How did this happen from going, like having this narrative that was spun and you guys both know that you at some point have no control over your narrative. Once you sign up for a reality TV show, whatever's out there is out there and you have to fight very hard to correct it. And for the most part, it falls on deaf ears. So you just throw your hands up and you're like, whatever people want to run with, I'm fine with it. So in that long-winded speech, I'm very happy to have everybody in this room together. I'm thrilled about it. And we want to talk about marriages. We've had like very in-depth conversations about what everyone's going through. And I think the number one thing people want to know for you, Britt, is it hard for you to start dating knowing that you're still legally married to Jax? I mean I really I don't feel like I've like actually been dating dating okay you know what I mean like I've been kind of like I forget that Brandon existed honestly I hate that I just said that but like I forgot that I like actually was in a relationship whenever I was just talking I didn't mean like I forget like whenever I just said that sentence I completely didn't even think that I was in like a very short-lived actual relationship like that just doesn't even seem like it happened anymore. It was very fast. It was. And it was somebody from like home. So it kind of was just like something fun. But yeah, I think honestly, I think once my divorce is final, it's going to open up new doors for me in a weird way. Like a lot of stuff I do is in private. Right. You know? Yeah. No, I do know. Did you Amber find that like it was hard to start dating because in California, as we all know, it takes like six months and that's just for a regular old divorce to happen. Six months. Six months to a year. To a year. It's a very long time. And you know, I guess depending on what you feel most comfortable with, putting your life on hold or just moving on. Was it hard for you to start dating after your marriage? No. Well, I mean, I did it probably a very unhealthy way because I was not in a great place, but I went within two weeks, I had met someone and I was like, ran into the arms of someone. Is that the guy that you were engaged to too? Yes. That was two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I wish I had something like that though. Cause it was like, take my focus off of all the bull crap I have to deal with all the time. It was in a way, but after now being out of that relationship for three years, I realized I did not grieve my marriage. I really didn't. And I find that that is one of the most important things. And, you know, for me, there was a lot, there was a lot to grieve. It wasn't just a typical like, okay, everything's clean, cut and dry. We just fell out of love. There was a lot of trauma and many years of dysfunction. And I just, I did it wrong. I would highly not recommend doing what I, and really giving myself the time to like stop and breathe. But there was also a lot of healing that I learned by being in a relationship in the beginning that, oh, there are decent-ish people out there. And I can give my heart to someone at some point. I just did it not in the best way. Janet always says that my standards are very low. You've gotten so much better at seeing red flags. And now I'm so proud of you when you recognize a red flag and you do, then you're like, I can't do this. But meaning like when she says that, She's meaning like, because I compare something that any man should be already doing in a relationship anyway. And I'm like, oh my God, he's like this, he's like that. And she's like, you just don't have anything good to compare it to. I'm like, that's bare minimum. That was me. That's my experience. Yeah. But I feel like it's a lot of women's experience. Yeah. We're so conditioned to think that like the, just like basic human decency when it comes to male and female interactions is they deserve. a gold star it's like no they should be making you feel special your time is valuable and you're worth giving time to and i feel like once i because it was like nine months after i left our ex to where i actually i don't mean to laugh but like all right it sounds like we were in like a I wish maybe I would have stayed sexually active throughout the whole fucking thing. All right. That would have been nice. It was like we're like more like the Mormons. Yeah. We were involved. I'm going to call him your ex. That's right. I left. Now he's my ex. Yeah. You took him from me. But thank you, by the way. Thank you. He took him from me. But thank you. By the way, if the new girl is listening, thank you. And you're welcome to the club whenever you're done. You know what I always say? Alyssa there's always a spot for you there's always a spot for Alyssa I love it always love it is that her name or is that the name you guys no that's her name I call her Alicia okay that's always like one of them's you have a little silly name for oh but I like her I like her a lot I hear she fucks around on him I'm like she's the smartest bitch she's ever dated we should have been doing that I know she should write a book there was a time let me tell you oh my god this is so funny he was out of town and there was the finest football player who had slid into my DMs. He was like 6'6". He still plays in the league. He's had like 18 years of a career. And he was like— Oh, where's he at? Oh, just wait. So he—and he would like invite me to his birthday parties and would invite me to like his family barbecues. Like he was like normal. But I was seeing your ex. And there was one night—and I was fully sober at this point. There was one night that he wanted me to come over to his place. And I took my ring off. You know this, Brittany, because I came to your apartment after. I left my ring at home and I was like, I'm going to go see him. Oh, yes. I do remember. And I was driving there and I had such a pit in my stomach. And I sent him a message. I'm like, I'm so sorry, but I'm not coming. My conscience is not allowing me. And he finally wrote me and he was like, I don't know what type of dysfunctional relationship you're in, but like I'm now letting you know I don't want any part of it. Have a good life. Please don't contact me anymore. And I came to your house and just sobbed. I was like, I can't believe that I would like leave my ring at home. And then when I was ready to leave my ex, I was like, I shut up. Fuck that guy. Fuck you. I'm like showing you a picture. I'm like, this guy. I could have had him inside of me. And I didn't do it because I stayed faithful to you, you fucking toad. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. But you know what that says a lot about who you are. Well, thank you, Janet. And you don't want that guilt to be conscious. It's not, nope. Yeah, you didn't do anything wrong. You didn't cheat. You didn't do anything. So you don't have to worry about that. Nope. And that's how I feel too in my relationship. I'm like, I did no wrong to that man. So I can walk away knowing I a good person Totally Do you believe he cheated on you in the marriage I don think in the marriage No Really No I honestly do not Even with all the Reddit threads We were together Or whatever they are. Blind tags? I don't look at Reddit shit. Reddit can kiss my ass. I've never been on. No. Like blind tags. What are those? The blind tags? I don't think when we were married he did because he was like, we were together 24-7. Like when were we not together? Yeah. Can you guys even think we worked together? We did everything together. Did you guys like, could you pick up his phone? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I had all his passwords. I had everything. I would use his phone. He would use my phone. Like, and honestly, he was just sleeping, snoring on the couch and farting everywhere. So like, I'm just saying like, he was just like with me all the time. And I just, I knew everything about him. I knew everything he was doing, everywhere he was at. Like, I honestly do not think when we were married that he did anything. I think he probably cheated on me more than I know about when we were dating. Okay. Yeah. I could see that. Okay. Because there were times where I was like, I just knew he did. Got a feeling. But he would just never, like, admit to it. And I could never, like, get 100% proof. But my gut has never been wrong. Yeah, I know. That's really interesting. So if you had that feeling while you guys were dating and you still chose to marry him. Yeah. like I'm talking like early on in our relationship yeah within the first yeah yes like not even I mean we've been we were together for 10 years so it was a long time we were married for five yeah so I mean technically we're still married so do we still count these days I don't know are you celebrating your anniversary still yeah but um yeah we were together for a long time and And then obviously after I found out he cheated on me, which I will not say her name, but whenever I found out that he cheated on me, I don't think that he did it after that. I think it was before. Yeah. And then honestly, because his dad passed away and I was there for him throughout that, that like brought us back together. Okay. Like, I don't know if we would have like got married and everything if that didn't happen, if we didn't go through that together. Yeah. Because I was done for a while. a while. And people think that he broke up with me after that, which did not happen whatsoever. No. And I also don't think you were given time to process that entire thing because then his dad passed away. And obviously that takes priority over anything. And you kind of had to push your feelings to the side and just be there for him. You didn't have to, I shouldn't say that, but you chose to. And I think that that speaks volumes about who you are and who you were in that marriage. and I know that it's hard because even with, you know, our ex, the biggest thing was, you know, well, you should have known what you were getting into. Oh, I know people say that to me. I hate that because they don't know what it's like to actually be in our relationship. They just know what they see. No. And that comment makes me so mad. I get it every single day. Like people are like, you are not a victim. You knew what you were getting into, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, how dare you? Well, you are not living in my life. No, and when your heart is involved, that is a scary and dangerous place. Like you ignore a lot of things. You numb a lot of things. And so of course it's— You justify a lot of things. You get excuses for bad behavior. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. And then you're gaslit. Yes, and manipulation and everything. I know. So it's very easy. Like I can call someone's relationship out from a mile away because my heart's not involved. Exactly. You can't see it when you're in it. Totally. Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like are misunderstood. 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I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Janet, you have one of the most beautiful marriages that I've ever seen. Thank you. And I hope, again, I didn't watch season one of The Valley. I didn't sit down and watch season two, but I was picking up what everyone was laying down. Um, and I don't feel like it, it gets the credit that it deserves. Um, do you find that reality TV in that spotlight on your marriage is a productive thing or does it hurt? I think whatever is really going on in real life, reality TV amplifies it. Yeah. So for Jason and I, you know, before the show, I would go to my girlfriends to talk about like, you know, little petty things that happen in our group or like if I was upset with somebody or something like that, it would normally be like my girlfriends that I would go to. I'd run over, you know, a block away to Brittany's house and be like, you know, so-and-so did this. I'm so upset. Now Jason like has a newfound, I guess, like invested interest in, because our personal lives are on the show. The show kind of made him more of my girlfriend in that sense. So he wants to know what's going on. Cause like, especially while we're filming, like, you know, it's like, oh, well this just happened with this person instead of it being like, go talk to your girlfriends about that. Like I'm here if, you know, if you really need me, he's like, well, what happened with them? Cause he wants to make sure that like, he's giving me the right advice of like how to deal with it. And like, he just wants, he cares more about what's going on in that sense. Okay. So for us, it opened up a lot more conversations in our marriage that we didn't have before. Like before it was like, we would have conversations about our marriage and about our dynamic, but now he's like, okay, so like what happened with you and Britt and Lala this weekend? Like, you know, did you guys have a good time? Was there any like beef, you know, stuff like that. He likes to know kind of where I'm at with my friends more. And so he kind of became like more of my like girlfriend. I love that. Our pillow talk is kind of expanded beyond just like our family and our relationship to like, don't tell me like the tea. That is my dream is I love when I can be with a group of chicks. Gia, Gia Giudice's boyfriend is like this. He doesn't change the dynamic. Like, you know, when someone brings their husband or whatever, and you're like, ah, fucking Joe's coming. Yeah, I always said that about Jason. I'm like, Jason can hang out with us and he like, just as part of like the talk, you know? Like it doesn't, he doesn't make you feel a certain way or anything. He's just a good guy. He can be one of the girls and he gives the best advice. He's very calm and logical. And I am not in that sense. I can be very emotional. Like I always like what we call like press the nuke button where I'm like, all right, I'm quitting. I'm done. I'm fully never talking to that person again. And he's like, you're pressing the nuke button. You're destroying everything. He's like, how about instead of that, why don't you tell them how you feel? You care about this person. You don't want to never speak to them again. Why don't you do this and this and this? And he gives me like the calm, logical advice, which sometimes I'm like, shut up. Yeah, I'm not right now. Or the next day, you'd be like, oh, my God, he said that. I'll be like, okay, you know what? Once you cool down. Yeah, I'm like, all right, I did the thing. I texted them and told them I'm upset. I'm like, instead of just, you know, blocking them on everything. Wait, so did you guys, you and Janet know each other before? the valley yeah yes okay so how i know britney is we started season four of vanderpump rules together okay and janet when did you and i actually i have photos of us very young yeah and drunk so it's been and i have years yeah the first time i remember hanging out with you is at a bar with hope who was like in some of the oh yeah with james yeah yeah and i still and he try to deny it like we all knew that was true like what the heck just admit it yeah the three of us were at like a bar restaurant on melrose talking probably about james and stuff that was going on i think it's called dime yeah yeah i went there a lot to get wasted during the day it was a hell of a time people don't realize that janet's been around for so long like you even even if you watch vanderpump rules like you see her crying at my wedding Like they like flashed Janet like crying at my wedding. Like she's been around. I was friends with everybody. But it just, yeah, everybody's, you know, birthdays or big events that were filmed. Now people will be like, is that Janet in the background here? And they'll do a freeze frame. But I kind of like steered clear. Like if they were actually filming something, I would just be like, I'm going to be over here. Like it, it always intimidated me a little bit. But honestly, I like that about people. Like I don't like when we have friends around who are camera thirsty. And like they're not our friends. I do not claim any of those people. And that's how I feel about some people that I have been around. That other people bring around. Yes, yes. I'm not going to make a scene, but I will eat a lot in the background. So there are a lot of like little clips, I feel like where I'm just like mowing food in the background of family. Yeah, totally. That would be me. So we've, Janet's been in the mix for a really long time. And there was just something about Janet that I just, you're the funnest person on the planet. Thank you. There are certain people who make a party, right? And I feel like, You're one of them. If you say you can't come, I'm bummed. My gays, they make a party. Oh, they're the best. Honestly, my little group, I'm like, if anyone can't make it, we're like friends, you know? Ensemble cast. You can't create that show without Phoebe. I'm not talking about show. I'm talking about my life. I look at it that way. So I'm just so, it is weird though, coming onto a show where I'm like, hold on, Janet. Janet's a day one-er? What the fuck is this I never been a day one in my life That wild Me either So this is your first season This is my first season where I full on the ballet But I've never been a day one-er on Vanderpump, on this show, nothing. You kind of were though. I know, I guess like as a friend, but you were at the first thing that we filmed all as a cast together, which was my birthday at Brittany's house. Oh yeah, the carnival scene. I didn't have a title card though. That's how they gauge it. Okay. So I will never be an OG of this show either. So were you guys skeptical at all by Lala coming on? No. I wanted Lala on. I wanted Lala on shorts specifically to come on. I did know that. Yes. And you actually talked to me about it. And you were because you were worried. Remember? You like were. Am I going to like fit in with everybody? I remember like having that conversation. And I was like, you're going to get to know these people so much more just because you're going to be sending actually actual time with them because we're going to be filming together. So you might not feel like, you know, everybody in the beginning, but you will eventually. Yeah. Once it, once the conversation, cause I mean, the conversation of me joining the show had been floating around for like over a year. Yeah. And then when it was like, we actually have a paper in front of us, like an, an offer. And I went to Brittany and I was like, I just, I asked those questions, but I also wanted to know, like, is this okay with you? Because even though it is an ensemble cast, without Jax and Britney, the show would not be picked up. Right? Yeah. Like they're the ones that, they're the names behind it, you know? And they put our names. Right. And then you hope that the people that are attached to it are interesting enough to like make a name for themselves on their own. So I just wanted to make sure with Britney, like, are you cool with me kind of coming into this dynamic? You were very kind about it. Obviously you were like, sure. Yeah. I always worried that. I guess. No one really likes me. We have to. I feel like you might like me. So that would be nice. My fear was the opposite. I liked both of you too much. Like, I was afraid, same thing, when you were like, hey, would you do this show? Like, we're, you know, putting names down. Would you at least talk to producers? These friendships have existed before the cameras. So my fear was, are the cameras going to change that dynamic? You know, are we going to be forced to have conversations we, you know, wouldn't have otherwise? is it going to damage these friendships at all? So any fear I had of Lala coming in, it was the same fear I had of joining this show, which was the friendships come first. And I would much rather never be a part of the show and have those friendships for the rest of my life than have any sort of damage come from them and like have the show. That still worries me. It doesn't worry me with you because you and I met on a show. So like we know- Your cast mates. Yeah. Yes. And we have a friendship. It turned into a friendship. Yeah. Exactly. We weren't friends in the beginning. me and Lala were not. No. So like know the drill but when it comes to you when it comes to Michelle like I do get nervous because just having cameras adds another element. It's like if you had this concern why wouldn't you bring it up to me off camera and it's like you know I really wish I could answer that but I don't know how because like we've signed up for this and I want to be I want to be authentic and not ruin storylines but I also don't want to blindside you because I really love you and what's hard is as you know like I'm I'm such an open book that I forget that other people like still have private lives yeah I don't I don't I think if you sign up for reality tv that's that's a line that you that you sign like you you have to share your life yeah or don't do reality tv fully I agree with you yeah but I think some people when you first sign up for it that is a tough pill to swallow and you you don't quite know how to differentiate uh between the two and I always say, you know, there's, it's reality versus reality and the world sometimes Clyde, but you have to be able to say like, even though this is happening for real, it's like not real because it's going into a, into a producer's hands to like mold it and flip it and make it entertaining for somebody. But it's real. Like our conversations are real. There are words, there are everything. But like, normally I would just like, maybe like call Janet right away and be like, just want you to know, blah, blah, blah. But while that three months is happening, I'm going to have to wait until we have a scene together. Right. But it's still very real, but that's our job and we're lucky to have our job. So I take it seriously. Me too. And that was the hardest part for me. I feel like season one, I would, I would try to call you after every scene, I feel like, or every moment that was filmed and just be like, okay, so this just, and you were like, we'll talk about it tomorrow. Yeah. I can't talk about it now and talk about it again tomorrow. Like it doesn't feel authentic to me. So like. It's not fresh. People call me all the time. I'm like, just wait until you see me tomorrow to tell me. Because. Now I feel like I've gotten way better at that. But you're also brand new. Yeah. Like I didn't know how it worked. We've been doing this for 10 years, Lala. But like now they're three seasons in. So like they're getting, you know. Yeah. That's not a short amount of time. Like they're. They learn the ways of the. Yeah. To test your patience. Yeah. Now I'm like, okay. I know that when cameras are set up tomorrow, we'll have this conversation. Yeah. Like same thing. Like we can't call each other immediately. Like we would, if we weren't filming in that moment, we just have to wait. And to that in the same way that like Jason and I's marriage, I feel like it amplifies whatever you have. We had beautiful friendships off camera before we started filming and all of those, I feel like were amplified in a good way. Once cameras were around because you spend more time together when you're filming and, you know, get to create new, you know, memories, new trips, new stuff. So, you know any fear I had of like will the cameras destroy this it's like it's only going to destroy what could already be destroyed I love that yeah I think for me too with reality tv since we're talking about like that that kind of stuff like I'm not I'm the person who will let anything go like I won't confront things I would rather just let it like I would rather overthink about it in my head and not really like say anything but I think like having the cameras there and having to confront a lot of things that like, maybe I would never bring it up or say something like it kind of made me a stronger person. Yeah. It's like, is this really that important to bring it up when cameras are rolling? Like if you, you know, you could say it behind closed doors, but sometimes I would imagine you want to say like, is this really that important? Am I really upset? Yeah. Yeah. You know how you were talking about your, your story is just as important and you take on the role of like the script you're reading. And I don't want people to take this as like, I'm not la la because I am but I feel like I'm very much like Lauren from Utah where like I don't want confrontation and I pick my battles when I have a camera on and it's like you pick every fucking battle for me it is so empowering so when people say like you're so confident I'm like that bitch is confident like me not so much like if you were to like be mean to me right now I would like make it okay and like go hide in a corner? I don't know. I don't know. Really? I don't know if you would. How would you be? If someone was mean to me? Well, just if you were like on reality TV because you've been acting for so long, taking on another role, how you see it. But this is, you're taking on yourself as the role. First of all, it depends on the day, right? Some days I wake up and I'm like, I'm going to fucking comfort your jugular. And other days I'm like, you know what? we're going to practice forgiveness today. Because that's what I learned in the Mormon church or that's my new spirituality or being sober. We take pauses now. But sometimes, you know this, I could be good one day and then the next day I'm calling you and I'm like bitching and crying and screaming and you're like, oh, she's fucking on one. I'm going to light this motherfucker on fire. I'm like, I got the gas. We're like that though. Just because we have to, there's days where I'm like, I don't know if I can do this today but you just have to do it you know right like you just push through I think you'd be great at it yeah and that's what I mean whenever I said it made me stronger because like you're you're still like doing things that like maybe I would be sitting on my couch and like overthinking things in my head instead but instead I'm like you're kind of forced going and having a conversation with Lala like you hurt my feelings when you said this blah blah blah instead of like overthinking it by myself right yeah right even if you don't want to you know kind of opens doors. Is it hard to talk about sex on camera? It was at first. And there are definitely still times. Cause you also get so close with the crew, like the sound guys, the camera guys, like the assistants, everybody who's there, like you get to know and like, but not well enough for me to like go up to like the sound guy and be like, I don't give blow jobs or like, you know, or like say something like, you know, to them. Do you give blow jobs? I do just not to completion. is that like a new thing no it's always it's been always okay and that takes a lot of communication by the way yeah i would love to hear that how that conversation yeah how does that conversation it's jason being like can i and me being like no thank you i'll do it for a while but not till the blowjob is what you do to like get warmed up before you have sex so like if they got off i'd be pissed because then I'm like ready to have sex. Exactly. She's spot in my mouth. Yeah. I do it every time before, but not, but not, you know, I'm like, then we have sex. Yeah, exactly. Is that even, would you guys do that with a, with a stranger, like on a say third or fourth date? Blowjob? Yeah. Sometimes. Not for you. I love you. They need to know what they're getting into. Like, oh, yeah. I'm a lot freakier than people will know. No, we all know. You're a freak. What did you say? I don't know. We found the best real housewife tagline. We know. I say my own name. Oh, I know what's up with this bitch. Oh yeah. The best real housewife tagline that we discovered yesterday. What is it? I may be a Southern belle, but I'm freaky as hell. Is it that good? That's so good. I love it. Yeah. I was like, that's perfect for you. This podcast. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think I love my mom. that's the only thing with me talking about that kind of stuff is like my parents like i don't care about you guys or like people like my friends or like yeah whatever i think about like my people back home i just had this conversation with my mom she's like well why do you have i said mom about this podcast just yeah about sexual stuff i'm super comfortable talking about sex i'm an actress i've done it on like i i told all of this before on a podcast it's like sometimes i'm more comfortable performing sexual stuff on camera because I'm playing a character. Yeah. I am in my own life. And my mom's like, what? And I'm like, just because it makes some people uncomfortable. I find it actually, that's like a, it's a blessing. It's a gift because there are a lot of women who want to talk about sexual things, but it, they either get ashamed or they get embarrassed. And it's like, we shouldn't be embarrassed. Yeah. No. And I feel that way. And I, and I, you know, that's why I think that we like talking about blow jobs. Slow jobs. Eating ass. It needs to be spoken out. I don't do that either. Yeah. You don't say. I don't think you do that. There's no way. I eat. Yeah. There's certain things we don't need to discuss on the podcast. Oh my goodness. She's eating it. That's a yes. Because she would say no otherwise. Yeah, for real. You guys are some. No, but you. Kinky bitches. No, but I have to be. I have to be fucking into you. Oh yeah, that's never going to happen. I don't think I could ever do that. No, Brittany and I, when we started talking about, like, talking to these younger guys, she was like, I feel like we could teach them some things. I was like, I know we could. They're over there looking at us like, you're going to do what to my balls? I'm like, yeah, buddy. That's the thing. And your ass is next. Can I tell you that we— Oh, my God. 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I'm going to forbid her from listening to this. Which is so funny because my mom's like, I don't need to listen to the podcast because I get the live version. We've talked about this before. You're very open with your mom about that. It is so interesting. People think I'm weird. People are like, this is not normal. And I'm like, the woman shoved me out of her vagina. If I can talk about sex to a bunch of fucking strangers, I can talk about it with my mother. I am actually starting to talk to your mom about that stuff. Because I'm so comfortable. I'm like, hey, Lisa, I have a question for you. I would never go to my mom. Yeah, me either. Yeah. Like, my mom and I are so close. But it's just something I just, I can't. I don't want to know what her's doing anything. I don't want to like, at least it's doing either. I'd rather keep that, that part. Separate. Yeah. I can tell you all about me. Yeah. Like you, not. You can talk to Claude though. I can, my mom like jokingly, like I feel like, or if I guess I, if I had a really serious, like marital sex issue, like I would, I would go to her, but yeah, it's more jokey stuff. I feel like where we're from, you just like. The South? I'm from, well, Kentucky is like the cutoff. So like, But we're connected. So Ohio, Kentucky. Oh, okay. Bordering states. Yeah. We like, that's just, we just don't do that. I'll like make a joke about sex if you're my mom. And if there was something like wrong with me or, you know what I mean? Like that I like, like I could talk to my mom about my vagina. Like I was experiencing something that was interfering with my sex life. Well, that's different. Yeah. It's mostly jokey stuff with my mom. Okay. That's like female health. Yeah. She also lives so close to us. I'm like, I don't want her in her house in the backyard. How does that work? Well, we don't share walls. There's like. No, I know. but is it like don't come in the house because Jason and I are going to have fun or like can you take the kid well what is that like it's not like we're doing afternoon delights let's be real why not wait why not that's my favorite thing right now he's a full-time lawyer like he wouldn't take off work for sex we can do it when it's off time would have you tried no I'm trying I like it right in the evenings or actually I would prefer morning before we start our days if we're up to me I would get dressed up and pretend like I'm his secretary knocking his door at home like mister oh yeah we love a good role play don't we oh my heck yeah the best you should like meet him out at a bar you know like a trench coat on and then like a lace outfit that has the vagina cut out so it's just yeah that's a lot of vacations and i feel like that's where we have like our more romantic like moments like that and it feels like a more like first date kind of situation you know what you and jason should get because he would love this because he's like so sexy but like a little awkward which makes him even like doesn't realize he's sexy which is even hotter yes you should get that thing that you put in the underwear and it's a vibrator and he can click it wherever you guys go and then go out to dinner i do think he would like that he would like that and you would like it too is there one for the guys like you could have a penis ring on him and then you could yeah you totally could you could do that i don't know if he would like that part of it i feel like he would like to have the control of the button okay so don't do the he would give me a penis part he knows I would totally take advantage of the button. I'd be like zooming him every time the waiter came here. Jason's like, yeah, that would be, that was such a good impression. You're on fuego today. You know, Valentine's day is coming up. So maybe I need to look into this. Okay. You must. I think I, I think I'm sold. Okay, great. So this morning, Janet came over to eat her bagel in mine and Amber's room and we were having a conversation about what sex really actually means and I for many years have uh well I've I've gone completely cold no sex like full celibacy and then like just fucking everything that I see and we noticed on the car ride over here today how and they're only get them out but there's there hasn't been in probably five years maybe even beyond that because I really don't count my ex and that's not throwing shade that's just very much how it was but I haven't had intimacy in a long time and I don't think sex equals intimacy but what a woman who's in like a partnership or a marriage like you Janet where it's like how does that foreplay start because you think about foreplay and you're like oh yeah finger bang me oh yeah let's suck your dick but I'm like as a as a woman I don't know how you are Brittany but oh my god yes you are I love this energy I need like softness and I need you to like oh like touch my bum and like give me hugs and let me know like it is on tonight no that's important like what is the foreplay that you and Jason what do you communicate with him to let him know like we're having sex tonight you know early on in our relationship I feel like Like it would be like we get into bed and he'd be like, you want to have sex? And I'd be like, I mean, as much as that sells me on it. Like, not really like that. But like Jason very much takes notes. And our sex life is very important to us. When we go like more than a week or two, we both start like just picking at each other. And the ones we do it, we're like, oh, I do like you. Like, how about that? So he takes notes. Like if I'm like, hey, this is what I'm needing. He very much will do it. And so one of the things I feel like early on is like the foreplay for me starts like, how about like a lingering kiss? Like when you come out for your lunch break or like just take a second to like, you know, tell me I look cute or just those little moments. Then all day I'm like thinking about you or I'm thinking about that kiss or I'm thinking about like how you kind of touched my butt when I was like doing the dishes or like something like that. Like it's those little moments that then for the rest of the day, I'm like, God, that was really cute. And like, I'm kind of like, you know, like giddy over him. And then when we get into bed, it's like, he doesn't have to ask. I'm like, I'm right there. I'm like, you're ready to go. I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't stop thinking about that kiss you gave me earlier. It's a slow build up. It's like a very slow, like little crumbs where you eventually get to the end of the week or whatever your sex. Yes. You want to just rip each other's clothes off. So because Britt, you and I get. No, but you and I. No, I love that her and Jason have that because that was something that was missing in my, and I talked about it very openly on the show and everything. Like after I had my son, it was like non-existent. And then you like start resenting your partner. And like, that's so real. You and I talk about sex in a very similar way. Sorry, Shuri. but do you think that once it's time to get into an an actual partnership like do you crave those types of things or are you and i just the type where we're like yeah bend me over fuck me because you that's how you and i talk a lot but are we so i'm like are we in a phase of life where it's like that's just what we want we're not in a relationship so like we're very different. Yeah, if you had consistent sexual like, then we would need the like, yeah, we would need the build up and the whatever. Right now, we're just like, give it to me, baby. Like, boom, boom, boom. I feel like, and I still have those moments. It's normally like after a night of drinking. Jesus, I come home the next morning. I'm like, let's not talk about that. Oh my gosh, who were we? Not us. Oh yeah, if I got some drinks in me, whoo, I don't even know. only imagine Brittany with some drinks in her. I really feel like she turns into like full cowgirl. Yeah. You know, that makes me so happy. Full reverse cowgirl. I'm just kidding. As you should. I've seen that as lately. Me too. Thank you guys for not only flying out to San Francisco to support an unlikely affair and come to our party. That was so nice of you. I rock with you guys so hard. I adore you both. Thank you for being on the podcast. Amber, you know how I feel about you, baby. Reverse cowgirl? You better believe it. You guys, thank you so much for listening to another episode of An Unlikely Affair. We're going to catch you next week. Thanks, guys. Bye. Hi, it's Jo Interesting, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast. where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend, Krista Williams. It can change you in the best way possible. Dance with the change, dance with the breakdowns. The embodiment of Pisces intuition with Capricorn power moves. So I'm like delusionally proud of my chart. 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