Be curious and get rid of the fear: Bala Muthiah on AI Leadership

Is fomo. Fear of missing out. Good for getting leaders into AI. Yeah, we talked to Balamutya today of Lyft and he has a lot of AI leadership experience and will answer the question, what if you're a leader? How should you react to AI? What is the best path to actually use AI in your firm? And roll it out. There's a lot of change coming, but you. It's a change for good. So welcome to another episode of the Beginner's Guide to AI. It's Dietmar from Argo Berlin at the microphone again. Never miss an episode. Go to BeginnersGuide NL to get the newsletter. And one last thing before we come to Bala's interview, go to AI for the 99%. That's my new podcast for small medium firms, entrepreneurs, startups, freelancers, and yeah, listen in on some tips there. Yeah, welcome back to the podcast. And now give the microphone to Bala.

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So, Bella, thanks for being on the podcast. The thing is, I can tell a lot about you, but it's best you tell us because if I tell something about you, that would be like this typical PR mumbo jumbo. First of all, Bala, welcome to the podcast.

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Thank you. Thanks a lot for having me. It's really a pleasure to be here starting the year. It's a great place to be. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

1:56

Yeah, 2026, a really great year. Let's see where AI leads us. First of all, Bala, as we talk about AI, what did get you into AI? Why AI? For you?

2:04

Yeah, definitely. So being in tech, right, like the natural place. I started my career in tech, this is a couple decades ago in India, and then I moved to us that's my tech journey. So being in tech companies recently, like AI is. Yeah, of course. Last two, three years been really big. But even before being exposed to all the fundamentals of AI, being in tech, it's very, very, I would say, probabilistically, really high that you will be close to One of these topics, if you are in advanced tech companies, so I would say around 10 years ago, started getting exposure to machine learning and all those fundamental stuff. That's what got me into AI. And then pretty much it becomes part of the job because AI comes from the tech. This industry naturally becomes one of the industry that adopts it very, very fast. So the adoption rate and pretty much everyone has to be there. And for me personally, I found AI as the most powerful mechanism or a tool that will really unlock capabilities. You might have heard comparisons like AI being like the car or being the Internet being the electricity. I'm in one of those camps. It is really an unlock. It has removed so much barriers for people and I can see the changes firsthand. So the excitement of what it brings is what keeps me here and what brought me here.

2:15

Oh, this is really interesting. Yeah, the way of how things go and I mean this directly leads me to the topic what I wanted to talk to you about on AI and leadership, how to unlock potential for leaders with AI. And I think you have a lot of thoughts there and you did post something on LinkedIn and. But what is it? Is it a hard time for a leader or is it is a good time for a leader?

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Now with AI, I would say I've been in this kind of leadership role for over 10 years now. I would say this is probably one of the most exciting time as a leader. This is like imagine you are in a. You are a sportsman, right? Or you are like playing some kind of sport. You are playing in minor league and then suddenly you are put into a major league. You have all the resources you have, you have the best coaching facility, best stadiums to play, best teammates to play. Then how can you perform? Of course the pressure comes with it. But it's really a lot of exciting things that are at your access now. What a leader could do five years ago with what they had versus what they have today, what they can do is tremendous. So that's why it's exciting time and how a leader uses it, it's going to be the differentiator. The companies will be determined by the leaders who uses it effectively versus not. And end of the day still, even though we call AI as a. The biggest thing we, most of us speak about AI as an entity, oh, it's a different thing. It's not a thing, it's just a piece of code. And to me it's still human, meaning us. We are still humans, leaders are still humans. The human aspect still stays. So nothing is taking away that Aspect of a leader, but definitely an exciting time, more opportunities. And this is a time where we will look back five years from now. Oh, what did I do as a leader when I had such a big facility and such a big agency and tools?

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I have you said this exciting. I would feel interesting. There's this anecdotal proverb, this Chinese one. May you live in interesting times. Which is a curse. Yes, yes, Exciting. But you think it's positive.

5:37

I definitely think it's positive because the access it gives you, what kind of things you can do with it. And that again, like another quote is like the same movie quote of with power comes the responsibility. So when you have. When you're wielding such a powerful tool, you have to be very responsible and in two ways. Right. One is what kind of damage you could potentially cause knowingly or unknowingly. And the second thing which I fear most is, oh, the unused potential. What if we miss using this to its fullest capability? Right. You would be sad that, oh, I had such a great car, but I was not driving it in that kind of scenario.

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Yeah, this is nice. I love it. The unleashed potential is like this. Yeah. It's hard to. To get there, actually, because this is like there's this thing like unknown and the unknown unknowns or something like this. No. And I would just jump in. Do you have a way of. How would you go for the unknown unknowns? If you now you're like a aspiring leader, let's say you just got promoted and you have those tools, what should be your next steps in using AI Be to not miss out on things.

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Yeah. As a leader or as an individual. Right. At any level, the first thing which we always talk about is with any tool or with anything is curiosity. Definitely be more curious. Like, do not open. I mean, do not close yourself. Don't think, this is not for me. Don't think about, oh, this won't work, or oh, I don't know how to do. Don't get intimidated. Most of the times it is the fear of unknown that is the worst thing than the unknown itself. So to get rid of the fear, you need to get used to it. It could be for anything. Like people I have seen, even myself. Right. Once upon a time, I was afraid of dogs because I did not know, oh, they're going to be the best ones in the world. So then you get to know them and you feel, oh, my God, how did I miss this thing? So be curious. Get rid of the fear. You can get rid of the fear only by Getting yourself exposed to the tool. So try it out, play it. Whatever tool you have access to. There are like hundred tools today. Thousands of things are coming out every day. We talk about there's something new out there, somebody's doing something new. So go get exposed, try it out. Then next one I would say is community. Definitely talk to people around you. Like podcasts like these. Right. It'll give you exposure to. Oh, I never thought about such a thing. So it's always inspirations. We humans have always learned and applied things from other. Some other completely irrelevant things like how planes came from mechanisms of birds. Like not at all related. But see something, understand and apply to your field. The once you start playing with it, then the fear will go away. The unknown part will become more clear to approach unknown of the unknown. That's the thing. You will not know. Just know that you can take next two steps. Don't worry about the hundred steps you have to take.

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Yeah, great. No, actually this. The interesting thing is that the unknown, there's. There's one you don't know and the other you know, but you don't want to go there. There's the lizard. The lizard brain tells you, oh, no, don't do that. Yeah. And what I mean, this is a typical thing you have. You talk a lot with leaders. What are they fearing? What are, what are specific things they fear from AI?

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So it depends on the. I would say industry mostly. Right. So there are legit fears. I would say, for example, if you're talking about industries like healthcare. In healthcare, there's data, right. And there's sensitive data. And then you cannot afford to make a mistake. You need a lot of experience. AI, even though we are calling it as artificial intelligence, it's technically not intelligent. It's technically a possible combination of every single answer that's out there. And what is the best answer that could be for this question? That's what I'm just, I'm super dumifying this thing now. There's more to it. So the one fear in those industries is sensitivity. Or what if it gives a wrong answer? What if it does something wrong? The cost is very high. You are dealing with human life, human health. It's very, very high. That's one of the things the other fear people worry about is. Oh, it's more an internal fear. Meaning. I'm gonna bring another sports analogy. Right. You play in a sport. Like you say you play with your friend in the street. You are, you're a kid, you're getting pretty good at it. And let's say, let's talk about any racket sport like tennis. You're getting good at it and then people around start noticing you, then your patterns or somebody puts you in a proper coaching camp with the teacher. You go there and so far you have been playing with your friends. You are like probably 8 year old and you've been playing really good, winning all the games with your friends. And then you go to a coach. The first thing the coach tells you is, oh, the way you are holding your racket, it's something that we need to fix. It won't help you in backswings as much as you think. So then you, they teach you new grip and then you use the new grip and then you start playing, you're going to lose the few games. Then you are like, oh my God, what happens to my ego? Like I was really winning every single game. Here I am, I'm losing the game. What's happening? Something is not right. So that is one fear. This is more like stepping back to go forward. Right? That's what a coach is doing. That's another fear I see amongst leaders. Where I'm running the business, everything is working well. I have computers, things are automated pretty good. If I start using a new tool, it's going to step me back. I'm going to lose my business targets, I'm going to not hit my quarterly goals. It's going to set me back couple quarters in revenue. Everything you talk about, they don't want to take that hit. That's why they continue to make best out of what they are doing with the tools they have. But it can only take them so far. So that's the second fear. I would say these are the two biggest fears in sensitivity. And then, okay, it's going to put me back. I don't want to try it. Skepticism around there.

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I have this with the second fear with the it thing that how it's called never touch a running system.

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Yes, exactly.

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Everything works.

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Then somebody tells you, totally, totally. If ain't broken, don't fix it. That's a common thing they say, right, oh, it's working well, don't touch it. You don't know.

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And now somebody tells you, no, you have to like, like you say, the tennis coach says, yes, if you want to come to the next step, you have to break it.

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Yes, yes.

12:41

Oh yeah, yeah, I see. This is a definitely different, definitely a problem. Then there's probably also the thing like if I lose then like the metaphorical tennis thing. What do the people think about Me then.

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Exactly. For some businesses, it's survival. Right. You can't miss 2/4 of revenue and you have people who you are paying, they are relying on you. So some of those things are legit. But then that's where you talk about how do you safeguard? Like how do you take calculated risks? How do you build a safety net so you don't do. Because one of the fears which is on the other side of the camp is the fear of missing out. Oh, everyone is doing. I'm not doing. I'm just going to throw it in, shove it in. Whether it works or not, I don't care. And it has its own adverse effects too. Sometimes you go and apply where it is not even needed and you are overkilling a system.

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This is. Yeah. Formal.

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Yeah.

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Everybody uses it. When we all know the thing with Internet, you have to have an Internet side and. Yeah, exactly. And why? The question of the why. Yeah, yeah, it's good. Yeah. What do you think? What's the experience with the leaders? They feel things. But you say healthcare, that is a typical industry where there's regulation, where something is, but also other industry. What's your feeling? Do they still embrace AI? This is. I'm in a positive. Not. Not just because of the fomo, but because they see potential there or how are the mindset now?

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I would say definitely there is a positive sentiment in adoption especially at least in markets like us, where pretty much every industry is doing it. If you look at earnings, call the word AI and what they are doing with AI in the last few quarters have tremendously increased. So pretty much everybody is jumping into the bandwagon, if you will, for the right reasons, just to try it out. Of course, it might be an overkill if you don't do it right. It might be sometimes too early. If you're trying to do something, don't start everything with AI. It may not make sense. Understand the problem, like always. Go back to why are we doing something? Like what user problem are we solving? Like go back to that. Bringing back the human nature again. Right. Go back to the fundamental, the primitive. Then it'll guide you. Of course it's good to try. It's in this case, FOMO is okay. There are some good peer pressures that are okay. Right. All of my friends are going to gym, so I'm gonna go to gym, which is a good peer pressure to have. So that kind of pressure, which is good. So how you take it. So overall sentiment is good. Positive leaders are doing that. Of course. To be really frank, I Would say most of them want to be left out. So they are starting from that angle, which is okay. I don't think it's harmful. It's like oh, everyone goes to gym. I want to go to gym. It's a good reason to go to gym.

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Do you really think, I mean this is an important thing where I think it could go in the wrong direction if you just choose. I mean you said, you said also has to be. You have to look for the why the human part and whatever. But just the formal could lead to bad business decision in the end. Yes, but, but you don't see that so much.

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I, I see that, I see that it's happening. Like the, the good part of that is okay, at least you are getting exposed. At least you are exposing your people, your talent to the technology. You, this could be your mistake, but you are learning and you're going better. But yes, there are force fitted AI solutions you might have seen last year actually 25 early a lot of companies were talking about, especially in coding, people were talking about oh what my five engineers can do, AI can do. People started talking about how much of code is AI written. So those kind of targets kept coming and it's not really a healthy target because it doesn't say anything. You can keep writing stuff, but what's the point if you're not solving the problem? So now industry is shifting towards more meaningful intentional use. So that's the excitement start which is fine. And I don't think it has gone that bad that oh my God, everything is in a bad zone. I am more on the optimistic camp. So I would say it's a good necessary evil to have such a mindset for a CEO to just go that way people. That's where leaders come in. Right to your first question. A CEO might have a very blind perspective or our perspective that where the world wants to go. That's what a CEO should do. Like a dreamer. Leaders who are at the next level, they are the ones who should ground and say okay, what is realistically possible, what is unrealistic and then give that balance to the people working for them.

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I love this is also the thing of your optimism. But better, better to do something than to do nothing. Because yes, you might go in the wrong direction, but you take something with you with AI because it's so universal technical knowledge. You get there. It definitely brings something to, to the table. Yeah, great.

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Yeah, totally, totally.

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It is in the, in the end. So people out there, if you don't do anything, you have more to Lose than if you do something.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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100. It's more. The decision to do something is better. Like those. I was watching a video last week. It's an old video, I think, or a new one from Jeff Bezos. He was saying a delayed decision is worse than a bad decision. Because you take a bad decision now, you immediately correct. Then change things and go. If you're delaying that decision, you don't know whether it's good or bad and it's going to hurt you more. Yeah.

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If you don't do something, it's also decision. And in the end. Yeah. People don't realize that. Yeah, great.

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Exactly. That's a decision too.

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And from a guy like Jeff Bezos who did a lot of decisions. Yeah, it's good to hear that. Yeah. And also. Yeah, AI, they are also heavily invested in AI. But the thing is, if I am a leader now, and I know you have some also ideas how to start frameworks. And so the first thing would be like exposure. Start something. What would you say is the next steps? What should you do?

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Yeah, so the solution depends upon the size of your company, the industry you are in. There are various factors. Right. So let's say if you want to keep it really, really generic, that in a way applies to most of the cases. I would say there's a three step framework I want to share here. The first one, as a leader. Again, we talked about curiosity being open, right? So you are open, you are curious, you want to try what next. So step one, upskilling. Right. You need to upskill yourself or your people with AI. Like what tools are out there, what is relevant for me, what is relevant to the industry, what's accessible. Sometimes as a leader, you may not have all the funds. If you're in tech, probably you might have. But imagine you are another business where you are an industry or something, a small manufacturing. You may not have all the funds necessary to do so try with whatever is available. Right. But you need to upskill yourself. Right now there are tons of things out there that you can learn. Upskill yourself. So that's the step one. So upskilling your people again, I'm coming back to the people like, because that's going to be the unlock for you. Upskill your people with AI tools. And then next, once the people are upskilled, they know how to use AI. They are pretty comfortable with AI. The next thing is you have a way to solve problems in your business. You could be an industry, you could be a bakery, you could be any kind of Industry, you are solving certain set of problems in a day to day and you are solving those things purely based on your insight. Okay, I see a problem and I think this is what a customer wants and I think this is how it's going to solve. Then the second step is use AI in that like now you don't take the decision by yourself. You share your observations and then you can use pretty simple, any kind of, let's say chatgpt or that kind of AI. You don't have to do a real model and everything and then use it as a brainstorm buddy. That is in a way using AI too. Just put in your observation, get whatever user data, put it in and see this is what I see as a problem. This is where I want to go. How do I solve it? Think of it like a real business consultant expert you go to get advice from. So this is using AI in your day to day businesses to solve problem. So that's step two, step three. Step three is not for everybody. It is for the people who actually build products, any kind of product. Right? Not just software, physical products too. Maybe there is there a way to integrate AI itself so your end users, your customers can get exposed to the intelligence that your product can have. So you could be, let's say you're using maps in your phone or you're like a music podcast app. So can the user interact with it and ask questions and then get more, get to know more about a specific podcast so they can dive deeper. So this is using AI in the product itself. So the first one again upskill the people. Number two, use AI in your workflows. Like how do you solve problems? Where are your bottlenecks? Sometimes you might be sitting and drafting a big spreadsheet, thousands of lines. Can I use AI to make it faster? That's more the productivity zone. Like make, make, make your team work better with that third thing, using AI into your product itself. So this is how you solve your business problem with AI, that kind of framework.

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That's good. This is like because, because I don't think people grasp how they start and you have a really simple thing that's upskilling the people yourself. And but you come back, this is the third or fourth time you come back to the people. And I think this is one thing we have to go into because yes, it's not about AI. In our prep talk you said, or was it a start that intelligence is not really intelligence. So this is about people. Could you say something for to the people part?

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Yeah, totally. Again Tools, right. We as humans have evolved, we have started using stone age tools all the way from invention of wheel. Then you go like everything, it's always people and why we want to do something. And that's why humans are the one only species that has really advanced. Well of course there are other damages which you have done. Not to say the best species in this universe, but from an intelligence perspective we have really evolved. So we have learned to master things and then stay on top. But again we all come back to this one thing, its human connection and what we are going to go to. So as a leader, bringing back AI, always think about I have a person in my team, how can they be better by using AI? So there are always industry talks about oh, AI is going to increase productivity. That means I can let x percent of the people go. That's not the angle. If you have 10 people in your company and you are really good at using AI and then let's say oh, now I can do this same work with seven people. That doesn't mean you let go three people, it means oh, with 10 people, what can I do? If seven people can do the 10 people job, then 10 people can probably do 13, 14, 15 people's job. Then you are growing your business, you are growing your potential, you are going to new markets. So that's the angle to think about. Once you think from that angle, like imagine the star, the best employee in your company and imagine if everyone is performing like that, then how much you can unlock. So that's the human angle again. So we can build great things. End of the day all we want is like a warm cup of coffee, a warm bread, a home, family, network, people, relationships. How can you make an augment that better? If you can do a job better with AI then come home early to your family and kids and friends and be there. Right? That's thinking to have versus oh, I won't have a job or anything.

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Yeah, this is, this is really interesting because if you watch the news or read something it's what dominates basically is like yeah, I can reduce my workforce. So this is the narrative. Do you, do you think this is just media, this is just the news or is it reality? But what do you see? Other people like firing people? Are they like using the potential? How is it out there?

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I would say from, again my own opinion here, I would say is mostly media and the fear mongering because that's the one that gets clicked, that's the one that gets viewed. If I come and report a news where, hey, There's a company A and they have really increased productivity. Nobody's going to watch the news. If I say a company A is using AI and they are letting go of three people, people will pay attention again if you come back. Letting people go, it's also a human thing. Like people are worried that oh three humans are affected. So I'm going to be tuning more into that news to understand what's happening. It's empathy that people are kind of poking into as news to get that I don't see. Even during COVID right? Like a lot of mass layoff, people were like, oh, we over hired. We are letting go of people. Especially in tech. This was very true. And then some companies walked back like, oh my God, that's a mistake, we are going back. But that was reality. People were let go of, people were impacted by layoffs. That was happening. But with AI, I don't see that a lot. Like I don't see a lot of people. Companies are saying, oh, we are going to let go of people because our AI tools can get the job done faster or better. Two reasons to that. One, AI has also not fully reached that level of productivity yet. People are still in that zone of learning to use AI, putting AI into use, but not fully there. But even then you can do more. Like I said, if seven people can do 10 people job, as if you're a true businessman, if you're a true business person, you are going to think about what can 10 people then do. Nobody wants to reduce their thing, right? If I have one store, people will think what can I do? If I have two stores, no one is going to think about if I have half a store, can I still do one store job? Nobody will think so. That's the growth mindset. So leaders should think like that. And that's where I see the industry will go. Of course, for news, for Wall street, for market, there might be some bells and whistles you might want to throw in here and there to say, oh, I am efficient now.

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This is a great thought because the entrepreneurship personality and even if you're not an entrepreneur anymore, you started at a certain point and then it's like, okay, I have this mindset and I stayed in my entrepreneurship mindset. And yeah, that would be my question, but it would never be my question. Can I reduce? I mean, I have an agency. Exactly. Now I would grow in this case, definitely. But that leads to an interesting thing because you're also advising a new start. A lot of startups and this is actually the people who probably have the mindset and it's, it's not the people that want to make this one billion one person firm. They probably want to take another road or what is your experience with them?

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I would say right now, if there's any place that's more exciting, I would say startup space because of AI. The reason is what took years for a company to build now could be built in a very short time. So the barrier to entry has really gone like garden town. So if you, I have working with two different startups completely doing different things. One is in India, one is in Africa. So even if you look at the population, the user base, everything is different. But both of them are going behind things that big companies are tackling which five years ago would have been an impossible task for them. You would have needed a big tech giant like Google, Facebook or SAP or Oracle. Like you need a big company to do that. Now startups are able to do that. It's not that they can reach the same revenue that they can reach the same in year one, but they can get into the room. Earlier getting into the room was impossible for these startups. Now that's not the case. Especially how ChatGPT has democratized the use of AI and people know what AI is 10 years ago like, or maybe more than a little bit more than that. Blockchain was such a technology. It came and people were talking about it like everything was, but it was a high barrier. You can't just go and put something on the block. It's very expensive. People did not understand it. People did not really know how to solve what use cases to use. But with chat and everything again coming to the human stuff, it has really opened doors. So startups, it's a really, really exciting time now and they are able to access problems, access users which was never possible five years ago.

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I love also this. I mean I'm from, from, from Europe, from Germany and we have a certain kind of startup culture. We have also money here at least not, not as much VC but state money or so. But you have like in, in Africa you have a different infrastructure. India is huge country with, with a lot, a lot of potential. And so it's, it's not just, it's also not, not everybody. You're in a Bay Area so you don't have to be in the Bay Area to, To be a startup.

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Exactly.

30:53

This is also great. You can do it everywhere and it's, you have the tools at your fingers. It's also great.

30:53

Yes, exactly. That's what like, it's AI in itself is not the ultimate unlock that has made everything possible. I would say it's a step by step. That's why I'm more excited about what's coming next because 2005 ish times, that's.

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When.

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Iphone is when like mobile started coming in. Right. First is Internet, Web came in 2000 and then mobile started coming in like 2008, 2010 and then apps really took charge so everybody started building apps then that's the next level of unlock. So now with apps and intelligence, that's another level of unlock. So if web has not happened, Internet thing has not happened, mobile has not happened, ChatGPT or Internet or AI would not have reached this many people today. So now imagine now I see AI as that kind of thing. So I'm more excited about what is next than what is now with AI because you never know. Like if you asked us 10 years ago, we would never guessed, oh, a transformer is going to change this whole thing. GPT is going to completely revolutionize how we do day to day.

31:19

That is actually crazy. No, and the startups, they now, I mean this is, I, I would probably advise everybody to look at the startup culture because this is nearer to the future than most of the traditional firms are and at least you can take a glimpse in the future if that happens, what they want, who knows. But there's actually exactly some, some potential. Yeah. To come to a different question because this is also I think to the personal thing is you do a lot of things with AI in, in like let's say the firm you work at and startups. What do you think is the, is the biggest wow thing you discovered with AI in the last, let's say month or so where you said wow, this is something I haven't thought that is possible.

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I'll say two things, right? One in general, like it's more abstract from the tools and everything that I'm using and stuff. Any kind of problem, right. It's not necessarily at work even personally, right. When I say not a problem I would say like a task. Say I want to go somewhere, I want to plan for a travel somewhere or if I want to pick something, I have two options I need to pick or I want to think about three different solutions. Earlier it was limited, like I had a problem. Maybe my brain will let me think about one or two solutions. If I go talk to people around or experts or I read books and stuff, maybe it give me four, four different options. Now with AI I have like 10 different options so I can really understand. So a great example I was using this yesterday was for investment. I was trying to look into some investment options. It's not about using AI to predict it, but I wanted to understand the market, right, the real estate market. So before if I want to know there's a city and there's a neighborhood, there is house, is it worth buying or not? Before I had only so much limited options in my hand to research and it'll take time, a lot of time. Now I can just put it in. I can get information about every single aspect. I can even ask this question, which I always do. Okay. Think about things that I'm not asking you and I should be asking you and give me the answer. Right. That's like a superpower to me that I can use with the tool. So it'll tell me, oh, you never thought about school? School is an important factor when it comes to housing in us. So that's a factor. I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, I don't have kids so I'm not thinking about school. But this is telling me to do that. So that kind of is a real use case. Day to day. How I do is really coming out effective I would say as a unlock.

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Yeah. And I love this prompting example that you asked the AI to help you think about. You don't even have to have the ready question. You can just go there and the AI not only answers your question but improves your question when a two level thing. That's crazy. Yeah. The question I have to. This is the new one. Which. Which of the tools did you use? Or let's say are you chatgpt Gemini Anthropic Mistral user which tools to use?

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It depends on the use case. I'm primarily I would say even though I used ChatGPT a lot in the words in my talking example because it's universally used and personally I'm an anthropic God person so I use that as my primary thing. But more than that, I use Perplexity. So Perplexity is the, I should say for a year plus now, I almost did not Google things. I always go to Perplexity and I would ask these things, hey, do this or find me this or get me that, things like that. So Perplexity is my day to day search engine because it has all the search engine capabilities with augmented intelligence for serious stuff, like I'm taking a document or like trying to understand a technology or a system, reviewing something, then use cloud. That's my other tool. Of course, now pretty much every tool is coming with AI capabilities. Manus was one which Facebook acquired like last year, end of last year, like December, they acquired. It's an agentic tool. It's really, really powerful. It can pretty much make you command 10 things to do to be done by agents and it'll do a great orchestration. So Manus is a really great tool. So those are the things I've been getting used to. I'm also now with CES more tuned to hardware devices. This is another. There was a device called Limitless which again Facebook acquired in December. I used to use. I was wondering if I could show you. Now it's like a pendant you wear and then it records the conversation and then it can give a good transcript. So those are really convenient things. Right in us at least. Now every doctor you go to, they have this transcriber device. They ask you before, can I use the device? And that way Dr. Fully pays attention to what you're talking versus trying to type while you talk or try to write while you talk and you can freely talk and it'll give you a good condensed version and that isn't something I recommend people to do. Phones also have these apps. You don't have to buy a device when you are going for walking. Like just think loud, right? Talk, think loud so you don't have to lose your thought, you don't have to come and write because most of the times sitting and writing down stops us from building great things because okay, I'm going to do it later, I'm going to do tonight, tomorrow. So it'll really unlock you.

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This is great. Yeah, because I mean I have this problem. I walk a lot around in the streets and I have this thought and I oh, I did not really figure out how to because I love to walk around. Just simply take a walk to get my mind free and there's so many thoughts and how to really. And I'm embarrassed to say what I do now is I Google it and send this via the browser link to my computer and then write it down. And this is not a good. This is not a good tool. Then taking it and yeah, I should think what to do there. And it's like. And yeah, I'm flashed by the possibilities that are there. This is great. Yeah, that leads me to the possibilities, the negative possibilities. So the last question of the interview would be a great question. The Terminator or Matrix scenario. What do you think? Are we ruled? Are the Terminators coming for us? Are we in a Matrix soon?

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I personally am a big movie fan, so thank you for bringing the reference and the question I about the Matrix one. I don't know if you're already in Matrix. That's a different question. It's nothing to do with AI. So that's different for the Terminator question. Are there other things or is there adverse effect? I would say personally, no, like for two reasons. One, I think humans are the only ones who are capable of destroying humans. So if it's a Terminator, it's us directly, not by creating a tool. And it's going to come up. But I feel end of the day, like in movies, humans will still overpower and win because we could create a solution if there is a problem. So I'm optimistic. I don't see it's going to go crazy. Of course there are worries about AI. What I'm really worried about scenario is people being left out. AI is as much as what we talked about recently on AI being accessible to everybody. Everyone can have access. It is still leaving behind so many people. A student. We are hiring for people now. Like when I see new fresh grads coming out, especially folks who did last two years, let's say masters or something, they got already in the last two years exposed to AI. So what they can do versus someone who went to a school which did not have such a facility. What they can do. There is a big difference. Even though they both did the same degree, they cleared the interview, came into a programming job. I am little worried that AI is leaving out some people still. It's not AI is leaving out like we are leaving out people in this AI journey. And again, coming back to leaders, it's our responsibility to make an equitable world. So we bring everybody along. Be intentional about who are you leaving out in this journey.

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So this is actually interesting because yeah, coming back exactly like you said to the leadership part, if people apply to you, do you select the people who. I mean, are there in an advantage to already use AI or like you say, do you think about thinking beyond it and thinking about upskilling them later?

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It's about the passion and curiosity, right? It's because right now I would say maybe my answer might change if you ask me this question two years from now. Today I don't think there is a significant advantage and or proven efficiency that, oh, some person really killing it. Another person, it's about, oh, they got exposure so they're able to do it. The other person has not got an exposure as long as they have the other, the right attitude, curiosity coming back. As long as that's there and they can clear the interview bar, they should be good. But three, four years from now, maybe it becomes a need. Right. If you don't know tool X you, because the entire company might be operating in that tool. So if you don't know, it may be a disadvantage even then I don't see it as a problem because then you can use AI to upskill yourself very fast. You can ask a query and then know how to do a certain tool. Back in the day, oh, if you don't know Oracle Systems, you cannot do a job even now to an extent, but now I don't think so. You give them a cloud license, they can figure out what a regular person is doing. I don't see it as an issue. We have to be open there. As long as the person is curious, potential growth like any other role you try to hire.

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Totally makes sense. I just remembered while you're talking that in 2011 12, we had a digital marketing program to educate people and at that point it was we didn't take people in there who did not have any social media presence or didn't know anything about it. But at that time you should have at least have some experience with this. And that's what you say in a few years, you have to know something about it. At the moment it might not be, but yes, definitely, I see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, no, great. This is, this is another thing because I heard a lot of people say we hire the people who know AI. Yeah. But if, if there's a digital divide still, then it's, it's. You have to look a step further a little bit beyond it. Great, yeah, thank you. Yeah, sorry.

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No, no, totally, you're right. Like the digital divide is true. And again, having that kind of diverse set of experience is what is going to make your business stand out. Not like everyone knowing AI is going to solve the problem. There are other people you need who are coming and actually asking the question.

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Yeah, it would be coming back again to the human part. So it's a tool. Yeah. Perfect.

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Yes. Cool.

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The circle closes. That's perfect. And it's great. We have always the human here, the human in the loop, the human who makes the decisions. And this is a good, good thing to say. And talking about the human. Bala, where can we find you? Where can we connect to you?

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Yeah, like, no, thank you. You can find me on LinkedIn. I work for a company called Lyft, which is a rideshare company in US. So Balamute, Lyft, or I have my own website, Balamothaya.com so I have to confess, I'm pretty lazy in when it comes to properly updating the website with latest thoughts and things. But you can still find me. I managed to at least update all my podcast appearances there. So balamutaya.com would be a best place to start.

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Great. I put everything in the show notes. This is for everybody who doesn't know where show notes are. So you just go to your podcast and down you find a link and you can find Bala's presences there and go there. Yeah. Thank you, Bala. This was a great interview. I left it.

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Thank you. Thanks a lot. And really great to be here. Like I said, 2026. Very excited for this year ahead.

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Oh, yeah, 2026 will be something great.

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Yes. Cool. Thank you.

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Yeah. Thank you, Bala. I got a lot of inspiration, a lot of ideas. One of the things is, if I can fire three people, why should I. If I can grow with those people? That is actually a thing I love because my agency is actually funnily growing at the moment because we have this situation that we can do more and it leads to growth. So why should I fire the people? Makes totally sense. The other thing I really found interesting is this fear of change or fear of the unknown. Not just discovering the unknowns, but also fearing the unknowns. That was something that really got me. Yeah. And the last thing, the prompting. How could you work with AI? Better if you just ask the AI. What did I miss? Can you help me? It's a meta tool and you can use a lot of meaning. Not the meta of the company, but meta level tool. And. But you can do a lot more if you ask really deep questions and go into the meta level. Yeah. Thank you for staying to the end of this podcast. If you want to get more of the podcasts, go to BeginnersGuide NL to follow the newsletter. Also, some tips and tricks are occasionally in there. And the last thing is, I want to thank Andrea Andreescu, Lotte Brown, and Melanie Westerman for making this podcast possible. And it's Dietmar from Argo Berlin signing off.

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