Friendly Fire: ICE. Ice. (And The Oscars) Baby.

Don't take your guns to town, build all of your guns at home. When I listen to Michael Moles sing Johnny Cash, it makes me think of my own mortality. This could be the whole show. It's just puns. I'm in a bad mood. It should not have been nominated, by the way. Here we go. Parking. You know what? That is the most offensive thing you have said in this entire episode. Yeah, save it. Save it for the show. The first time I did screw needs in, I'm a surprise, I did screw needs in, I'm a surprise. Three days ago, Tim Walls compared the ICE officers to Nazis and then yesterday he collaborated with them. So I guess Tim Walls is now a Nazi collaborator. It's very unclear what's going on between Washington and Minnesota right now. We will get into it. We will get into all of the Oscar movies that you haven't seen. We haven't seen them either, but we have very, very strong opinions. This is friendly fire. Guys, do you know what that is called? That's called a cold open. And I can tell you speaking from Nashville, it's a very cold open here. It's a real chilly. Hence my sweater, Matt, you're always kind of lumberjacking, wearing all of your flannel, et cetera. But Drew, Ben, you're in relative warmth. No, no, no, wait, it's snowed here. I was close to DC and we had enough snow that I had to go out twice and shovel my walks and now my entire body hurts and I have a cold. So I think that's my contribution to the weather. Are you still caught in the rain? Foray, it's just a ghost. But that is that the ghost of Drew or is that real physical? It's by the time the show is over, I will be transparent. That is, yeah. Well, yeah, you're always transparent Drew, but you know, it's cold also down here. It was like in the mid 60s today. It's delicious. It's like a biting wind, got it down to like windshield factor down to like 58. And it's brutal. Michael, are you are you doing this show by candlelight? What's with the lighting in your office? I'm so fortunate that so I would have been, I would have just been Jack Nicholson at the end of the shining speaking of Oscar movies right now. Had I not been rescued by my buddy and put up in a beautiful Airbnb with a podcast studio across the street. So I'm actually I'm feeling great. And because it's not candle Missy Ed, I'm still wearing my Christmas decorations. I'm feeling, I'm feeling good. I think I might do the show from here forever. Did you, Matt, have you survived the snow apocalypse? I'm in my element. I'm cold, dark. No one around. No one can access me like, this is I love this. I would do this every. I would do this all year round. One question I have. I know, you know, with the power going out in a lot of places, some people are trying to figure out things to do. Have you guys been sitting around with your family playing the new pen dragon board game? If you would send me a pen dragon board. I would actually play the pen dragon board. 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What was it like, my leg, to be alone with God? Is that who you think I was alone with? Martin, I knew your father. I mean, I'm yet convinced that he was not of this world. Oh, man, no of the great Taliesin. Who am I, father? That the God should war for my soul. Princess Harris, savior of our people. Ah! I know what the bull got off of you. I was offered the same. And? There is a new power work in the world. I've seen it. A god who sacrifices what he loves for us. We are each giving only one life, singer. And I? And we're giving another. I learnt of Yazoo the Christ. And I have become his follower. He's waiting on my own. I think you can give him one. Trust in Yazoo, he is the only hope for men like us. I pray to Britain, ever rest in the hands of the great life. Great life, great darkness. Such things matter to me then. What matters to you now, Mistress Ablai? You, nephew. The sword of the High King. How many lives must be lost before you accept the power? You are born to wield. So clean to the promises of a God who is abandoned you. I cannot take up our sword again. You know what you must do. Great life, forgive me. I'm free. It's all just come to be reborn. So speaking of the freezing cold, another shooting in Minneapolis. Some people are pretending to be shocked. Maybe some people really are shocked. I don't know. It kind of reminds me, you know, it's that very sad shooting of Renee Good. And then the lesbian partner comes out and she says, why did the guns have bullets in them? And I just thought, man, you guys have, you just don't understand reality at all. You don't understand that their consequences follow from actions. I mean, I had the, I went through Breitbart question here. I don't mean to be cruel. It's tragic the guy was killed. But so what? Let's say you examine every, this film from every possible angle and it turns out the ice agent was in the wrong. Does that mean we shouldn't deport people who are here illegally? I mean, they're here illegally. Ice is there to get rid of people who are here illegally. No one is above the law as we know because they were charging Trump with like, you know, littering and sending him away for, planning to send him away for life. So what differences are making? I mean, let's, let's say it was a bad shooting. They're just enforcing the law. Why are these people who are organized by Marxist, you know, thugs all around the country and taking like nine counties out of all the counties in America and turning them into battle zones? Why, why are they justified by a bad shooting? I don't think there's also a question. I'm not saying it wasn't bad shooting, but even if it was, who cares? Right on your point, Drew. So was it a bad shooting tonight? Because there's all this stuff and a lot of misinformation going around the internet. One of the questions was, well, maybe he had been disarmed before the ice agent shot. And, but even in that case, would it necessarily have been an unjustified shooting? Only one of us went to Harvard Law School. I'm low to turn to him for an answer on this. But then, is there any, does that mean it's a bad shooting? The cops got to go to jail or something? I mean, so not necessarily. So the basic legal standard is the same in all of these cases, which is does a reasonable loss or believe that he's an eminent threat of grave physical harm. And so the question becomes, did the officer who shot him know that he had been disarmed? Because there's this kind of scrum. And then you can see that the gun appears to be removed by one of the agents, but not the agent who shot him. And then somebody yells gun. And there may in fact be an accidental gun shot, an accidental discharge, from Freddie's gun by the officer or the gun just went off. So if you're an officer and you're standing there and you hear someone yell gun, and then a shot goes off. And you don't know that the gun has been removed from the guy, then you absolutely could fear for your life. You could fear an imminent threat of grave physical harm. And so the shoot could absolutely be good. That's typically why you have full investigations under these circumstances. As to Drew's question as to why this shapes the underlying sort of policy, the answer is that it doesn't, but this has been a chaos operation from the beginning for Democrats in an attempt to obstruct federal law. I mean, that's really what this is. This has been driven by Democrats from the very start. The idea is that enforcement of federal law is some sort of grave sin. And you can see it in the statistics. So very early on the administration was deporting nearly all criminally legal immigrants because they were starting in red states and they're working with cooperative precincts. And they're going into jails and taking people who are criminals and then deporting them. And then all of the Democrats decided they were going to obstruct that. And now ice still has a job, which is to deport people. And so the people that are deporting are not getting, they're not getting them from jails, right? They're actually going to the streets. They're having to like round people up. And when they do that, the percentage of criminal illegal immigrants, I mean, they're all criminals, but people have committed an independent crime aside from being in illegal immigrant. That percentage has dropped from something like 87% early on to about 50% today. And it's going down pretty rapidly. That's because of sanctuary city status, it's because of sanctuary state status. And so what that means is here's the thing. Americans don't like ugly pictures on their TV. This is one of the great problems with media generally is that there's greater information that's wonderful. But the ubiquity of ugly pictures on your TV makes it nearly impossible to do the things that have to be done in ugly areas. And that's true when it comes to military operations. And it's true when it comes to policing. And it's true when it comes to police. And it's true when it comes to life. And the craziest part, so the craziest part on the ugly pictures, I didn't think this was real. I had to go back to the tape and check it 10 different times. So the guy in this case, his name is Alex Pretty. And we have an expression, we who like the Latin language, Nomen, Est Omen. And so and the guy is not to beat up on the dead. He isn't all that pretty. MSNBC changed his picture. They ran with an AI generated picture to make him look like a supermodel or something. And they did it completely straight faced. And what it made me think is, look, maybe with some editor didn't know what he was doing. Maybe it was intentional for some bizarre reason. But it made me think, look, when the MSM, the establishment media, put these images on TV, they're obviously working in concert with the Democrats who are trying to cause chaos, who are trying to undermine law enforcement. And so I'm always skeptical of that. I would say you can't really believe anything on the establishment media. Now I can't, I literally can't believe the pictures. They are running a different picture even of the guy who is at the center of this case. This to me seems like something actually has changed. And to Ben's point about ugly pictures, you know, I've worked with police a lot as a reporter and it takes a lot of cops to bring a person down without just killing him. Most cops, if they want to take you down, they can do it single-handedly but they're going to break your legs, you know. If they swarm people in order to keep them from being hurt. And this guy, you know, once you shout, once you shout gun, I've seen this with my own eyes a number of times. Once somebody shouts gun, everything is different. You know, everything is like, I do not, this cops do not want to go home with a bullet in their head. You know, they don't want to go back to their wives. They say, sorry, honey, I'm dead, you know, because I didn't react fast enough. And when they take these videos and they look at them frame by frame, it drives me crazy because they didn't happen frame by frame. They happen to all at once and we can hold our police to high standards. But we can't hold them to robotic standards where they can see everything in slow motion. The whole thing is to me, you know, as you say, it's a chaos operation. We already know that George Floyd, a drug addicted thug, you know, who is elevated to the point of being a saint by the media. And then we were told that the riots that came out of his were mostly peaceful. We already know it's all lies. You know, we know it's all lies. And if in this case, the cop was in the wrong, if he did something wrong, that's one thing that has nothing to do with the overall story, which is these guys came in 20 million strong, they all have to go. They all have to go. And also, you know, it also, to me, it's not even a close call. Like you took a gun. Okay, this is another point that's really, really annoying to me. I see even some people on the right saying, well, hey, you know, we believe in the second amendment and we got to be consistent here. I've seen some people draw comparisons between this and Kyle written house. Hey man, let's, let's be fair. To completely, I've actually diametrically opposite situations. Kyle written house was there was not interfering with any police officers, was not sabotaging police officer operations, was not resisting police officers. He was there because police officers weren't there and weren't doing anything. In this case, Alex pretty took a gun. Okay, that part is fine. Like, yes, you can carry a gun in the United States of America. I believe in the second amendment. But you took a gun explicitly to go commit crimes. Okay, interfering with the police, sabotaging police operations, obstructing what the police are doing, obstructing law enforcement is a crime. He brought a gun to do that. And maybe his intention was not to go kill the officers, but his intention certainly was all these people, none of them are protestors. This is not a legitimate protest. Well, it was not a protest. I mean, it's worth establishing. This was not a protest happened afterwards. But this was not a protest. He was sick. They are coordinating. I mean, we talked about this on my show. Now, other people have gone into these signal chats where they coordinate with each other. They give license plates. They show up. And it is explicitly to obstruct law enforcement. So if you take the gun and then your intention is to go commit crimes, and then you end up getting shot in the in the process. To me, it's not even a close call. It's not even controversial. I mean, it might be controversial to a lot of people. But the substance is not a real thing. It's not a real thing. It's not a real thing. It might be controversial to a lot of people. But the substance of it, it's not controversial. This is clearly all on you. And I agree with what Ben said. This is to the people, especially on the right. Again, there are some on the right who are saying, well, I believe in enforcing immigration law. But I don't like the way this is happening. Well, there is no way to do it that won't be ugly. Because it's easy enough to say, let's enforce our immigration laws. But the problem is we have millions of people here illegally. And so we need them to leave. And the problem is, well, they don't want to leave. That's why they're here. And so the only way to get them to leave is to grab them physically and drag them while they're kicking and screaming. There is no nice way to do it. And so if you're not in favor of us enforcing immigration laws in an ugly way, then you're not in favor of us enforcing immigration law at all. Because there's no way to do it that isn't ugly. By the way, a crucial point on this gun, second amendment argument from the libertarians who, you know, look, I love my libertarian friends. You can always count on them to undermine the right exactly at the moment that it like really matters. But I get the point in principle, because I'm a second amendment supporter. I'm a gun owner, a lifetime member of the NRA. There is a deep conservatism to the wisdom of Johnny Cash. Don't take your guns to town, bill, leave your guns at home. So, look, you can take your guns to town. But if you are going to obstruct law enforcement, you're going to put yourself intentionally in a very provocative situation where you will be committing crimes. Probably not the best idea to roll up with your SIG in two magazines. By the way, his parents were interviewed by CBS News, a generally liberal news outlet. And they made the point, probably they shouldn't have admitted this, that he was not a regular carrier of guns. You know, he had his CCW, but this was a guy who never took his gun out really. And all of a sudden, he rolls up there with a weapon. There's a hair trigger. The New York Post was reported that he had a broken rib from his last conflict with ICE agents. So, he was already out there getting into violent scuffles. Yeah, I know. When I listen to Michael Moles sing Johnny Cash, it makes me think of my own mortality. And that makes me think of policy genius and the necessity for life insurance. 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A daily wire reporter is however, and we are joined by Jenny tear who can infect our opinion with some actual facts that she is seeing on the ground Jenny. I know I have not something we're used to around here Jenny. What are you seeing in Minneapolis. Yeah, well, you know, we've been out with ice in Minneapolis on the right along with them. And we saw just the chaos unfold the second we went down there. So just to give you an idea is we started out the day going to the ice office where agitators were already outside the second any of those vehicles came out anytime ice officers were going out to make arrests. There was what they call the spotter standing on the corner waiting for them monitoring their movements reporting things like their license plates what the cars look like what those agents and officers look like. And then the second we were hearing an arrest site. So we were maybe within five blocks of an arrest site. And then we started to see people just gathering on every street corner. And by the time we got to let's say the apartment complex where one of the arrests they were trying to make was happening. It was already so loud everyone was already alerted to ice is presence in the area that that target didn't come out that day. So this is what they're up against there up against people who are exposing their whereabouts their locations getting in their way on top of that. And as we were leaving we saw a situation unfold that thankfully didn't get as intense as some of these stories we've seen about these shootings but could have gone that way with those agents trying to deescalate vehicles who were blocking them in the roadway. They didn't want them there but when they tried to leave they didn't want them to leave it was very ironic and then as they were leaving one of those vehicles a driver behind the wheel of a Tesla hit one of our cars in the convoy. And then exited the area before they can make an arrest. This is what they're seeing on the ground this is what they're up against so not only were they not able to make an arrest and we saw similar situation unfold before that. This is also just an assault on their ability to go out there and conduct these operations safely they're coming home with the trauma of all this but also physical injuries now. Jenny did the guy in the Tesla hit them unintentionally with the car. Yeah it appeared so because as he was driving by those officers he was taunting them so he rolled down the window at one point and he said I'm illegal come and get me. That's how brazen these people are they know that this is a crime they know they can't repeat law enforcement I mean there is this whole media narrative going around that ice is just arresting us citizens indiscriminately. No they're arresting people who are here who are getting in their way who are assaulting them who are committing federal crimes in doing so and they have the right to those officers are given the power to make a rest of US citizens who are trying to get in the way of their own arrest of illegal immigrants. And then of course you know they're not put into immigration detention they're handed off to people like the US marshals and the US attorney prosecutes them. So yes they have the authority to do this and they're they are making arrests of people who are openly getting in their way. You know Jenny what do you think is the even riding along with the ice officers and what what is the morale like given the situation and what are their thoughts on ice leadership because obviously we've seen some turmoil inside. Ice leadership or patrol leadership the president has deployed Tom homin to Minneapolis it seems that he is moving Greg Bavino at least out of the out of this realm to another area of the country what what are people feeling down on the ground there. Right so I think this was perfectly you know came to light when I had Border Patrol agents messaging me yesterday some of my sources saying that they're happy that some of them are getting to leave because this has been really hard for them to go through to be in these environments where they're not only just having to assess the threats that are present when you're making an arrest already. But now there's this added threat of outside organized agitators who are communicating on radios for 3D printing whistles I mean I saw some of that too that they're handing out to try to obstruct these arrests. So they're happy to see a change and that change has been that the Trump administration has taken figures like Border Patrol commander Gregory Bavino out of Minneapolis and had sent him back to the border. He's been relieved of his duties as the commander of at large operations he was the face of these aggressive immigration operations in cities like New Orleans now Minneapolis he was in Chicago and he was representing border patrol which border patrol has a role in immigration enforcement traditionally it's been along the border and border towns they're not used to operating in these urban environments and they're more indiscriminate they were brought in when secretary know him according to sources. And her close aid, Koryloon Dowsky decided that the operations should focus more on numbers that they should have more of a quota than going them the focus being on quality arrest and getting the worst of the worst so we saw that shift and that's when border patrol really came in to boost the numbers to get more people off the streets who are here illegally not necessarily going after people with the worst criminal history. First, which was how the Massey Portation campaign started home and however Tom home in the borders are who's now been brought in to replace Bavino is in the camp of wanting more of those quality arrests he wants us to get those really hard and criminals off the streets and he's an ice guy he was out of ice before this. And so Trump brought him in and said report directly to me which is interesting because he's not asking him to report to the DHS secretary and he's saying you know possibly we're hearing that they could be looking at changing the target list saying maybe we should shift and go after more of the worst of the worst and then also a lot of this depends now on is mayor is governor walls going to deliver on letting people. So we're going to be handed over from the jails into ice's hands for a rest rather than continuing to perpetuate these really dangerous sanctuary policies. I'm hearing that the local police are also helping now finally helping ice keep the protesters back if you seen any of that. Some say police that are keeping back writers who were trying to go into a hotel they said Gregory Bavino was staying we saw just one instance of that and that could be a glimpse into what this deal was that Trump had discussed with the governor there but we're still waiting to see what comes to fruition. We know home in himself met with the governor this morning and so there's still ongoing talks there's still ongoing negotiations into what access ice will have when for years and years and years minnesota has been releasing illegal immigrant criminals out of jails. And hasn't been cooperating with ice hasn't been sharing immigration status at all with them and when they're lodging detainers when they're putting a formal request in with a let's say county or city jail saying you have this person in your custody that we're aware of who's in illegal immigrants who's committed a crime when you are going to release them please give us a call hold them. And so for short period of time we'll come and get them and they haven't been doing that. Yeah, no Jenny if we do shift focus here and we only go after the most hardened face tattooed you know murderers of the rapists of the murderers kind of people can we send you since you're already there to go round up all the other ones I don't know if that's in your job description I know you're more doing like journalism and stuff but in any case you're doing great work out there thank you very much for the report and will will look forward to an update next time. Jenny who's on the ground in Minneapolis obviously we've been expanding our report hodge and our report or you'll be pretty extensively and that's only because we have supporters like you people who are members and we need more members so that we can do more reporting on the ground in places like this head on over to daily wire plus get your membership right now you want just be getting all the great stuff we have over here you'll also be helping us bring actual great reporters to the places that need reporting on. I want to hear about what this change in strategy means from the red blue political level is this a win for Trump is this a loss for Trump did walls get something but before we talk about the present Mister wall want you to tell us about the past yeah we have a new show that's really excited I'm obviously very excited about you know it's called real history so we just debuted last week the first episode of this series or we just look at historical episodes that are much much talked about. But but not talked about honestly especially especially by the school system and the media and all of our institutions and first episode we talked about slavery giving the real kind of history of slavery the real context for it and what slavery in America looked like as opposed to other parts of the world and we've just filmed a couple other episodes as well that I'm even more excited about and that might prove to be even more controversial which I which I'm which I think is great so stay tuned. For all that can I could I just jump right into back back to the subject again because you asked about is it a political win for Trump I think that for sure and I do this cannot be stressed enough it is a massive massive massive loss and failure if Trump scales back at all in the slightest bit in response to what's happening in Minneapolis you can I mean I don't think it's exaggerating to say if he does that it's the end of his presidency it's it could be a lot of things that are going to happen. But it's very well be the end of any hopes for Republicans and 20 and you know even in the next presidential election you can what is that what message does that said the only message that sends to the left is like okay well here is the here's the formula if you don't want if we don't want deport if we don't want actual deportations mass deportations if I shows up in your city and you think they're doing too much well just get all your buddies together show up and get out there in the street start riding us chaos yeah bring your gun with you go out there and sabotage. And and that's the way to get what you want you can we we saw what happened in 2020 when the left was just allowed to basically run rough shot over the entire country that's exactly what they did for months and many people died and billions of dollars of damage and that's all that we are ensuring and also keep in mind that as many people that pointed out this is it's the winter time right now and so one of the reasons why this hasn't completely exploded like powder keg style the way that it did in 2020 I think is that it's because of the weather and as we get into the summer months and it gets warmer. If if if Trump doesn't clamp down on this and and that means not only keeping up the deportations keep ice keep doing what you're doing. But also you know we need mass deportations now we also need mass arrests of the people who are doing this you know the only thing about this though that bothers me the administration has made some missteps and missteps cost you politically I mean the minute these things happen they come out and say this guy was a terrorist or he was you know gunning to massacre you know ice agents which does not seem to be the case and it's not wrong for him for Trump to correct that to correct that trajectory bringing Tom home and who seems much I saw him just on. He was a great you know he's the only guy in the administration who knows how to communicate what they're actually trying to do and what they're thinking so I don't think I don't think it's a complete disaster I agree with you in the general point that but I think it's not a complete disaster if he corrects the way the administration is handling these incidents in order to communicate what it is we're doing home and was great about saying this is what we're doing this is who they're stopping us from arresting these guys are rapists they're murderers they kill us we want them out and it does seem like they were kind of I don't know it did seem like I don't know it did seem like I don't know it did seem like I don't know it did seem like I don't know it did seem like I don't know it did seem like I don't know it did seem like I don't know it did seem like I don't know it did seem like I don't know it did seem like I don't know it did seem like I What he made like corrected in what way what do they need to correct first first of all when a guy when a guy gets shot in a demonstration in a free country you don't immediately come out and say that he was doing things that he may not have been doing because it makes you look like you're they makes the administration look untrustworthy so now you've got an untrustworthy press on the left and then you've got an untrust trustworthy administration it's it becomes an equal you know an equal battle it shouldn't be an equal battle the administration should be saying okay we're going to look into this well examine what happened but it doesn't change the fact that we are getting illegals out of the country that's the message and they didn't do that I totally agree with this and to to this point obviously Christy Nome is under serious fire as head of DHS I think that fire is completely appropriate frankly this is the second straight incident in which she has completely mischaracterized the events that we can see with our own eyes she she first suggested that Renee good was attempting to run down not one but multiple police officers and then she claimed and then she claimed that this that Alex Freddie was attempting to massacred like murder police officers and showed up with a gun in order to do so which again that is not what the tape seems to show to I think most people again that is not to suggest that this shooting isn't a legally justifiable shooting that is to say that her literal job is to say the process is going to take place we're going to uncover everything we are going to abide by the law and we're going to keep abiding by the law I know that's the way to do it because Tom home and has been doing that consistent with Renee good he then did it again with Alex Freddie which is why he should be the person in charge of this whole effort I frankly think that Christy Nome has outstayed her welcome already the the Cal She markets by the way they are one of our sponsors they suggest a 50% of people think that she's out by May I don't think that being appropriate it seems to me that the vast majority of things that Christy Nome has done involved headlines in which she is spending certain amounts of money on either transportation or get up in order to take photos in front of particular situations she works at the pleasure of the president and for the president and part of that is making the president's agenda more palatable and understandable to Americans and if you're not going to do that then really you shouldn't be the person in charge of that department which is the reason I think why Gregory Bavino was moved out of his position as well because he went out there and suggested that Alex Freddie was was attempting to massacre people and then he went on all the shows on Sunday and had to walk that back or pretend that he never said it and this sort of thing undermines public support for a very important mission which is the mass deportation that the Trump administration is trying to pursue political capital matters support for for ice matters so the polls have shown that back in 2019 ice was basically even with the American people today they're 27 points under water that is not because ice is doing things differently than they've ever done it is because of two factors the cast operation run by Democrats and the bad PR job that has been done by members of the administration in the aftermath of that if the if the administration looks like the adult in the room and Democrats look as though they are basically the abolish ice let everybody run free party that's a political win for Republicans now as far as where the sends up you know I think the Democrats could very easily win the battle and lose the war meaning I think that they could set up these domains of utter walllessness and turns out they did this in 2020 and it worked for them a little in 2020 by 2024 Donald Trump was president again because it turns out people do not like abolish the police they also do not like abolish ice and so we have this kind of temporary gut level reaction seeing again those ugly pictures on our TV but then if the policy that companies the ugly pictures is even worse than the policy that that was present before the ugly pictures then you end up with the backlash so I think the Democrats could step too far on this the other way but again I think that I think no I think no I'm has not done a good job is DHS frankly so if the point is that the only real errors here have been in certain messaging okay fair enough that happens I mean look these are very difficult operations we haven't seen a massive national push for nasty portations really as far as I'm concerned since the 1950s since operation went back you know Obama would sometimes gloat when it was convenient that you know they call me the deportor in chief or whatever but it was really just turn away as he wasn't he wasn't leading full scale operations to read these guys so I'm willing to give the administration a little grace here but but my question then is okay if it's a PR issue then who is going to win the PR war because you know it may be walls and the Democrats and Minnesota say huh we got bovino's skull you know his scalp he's out of town now and see Trump is talking to Tim walls but then I look at the sequence of events Tim walls comes out he says these face tattooed gangsters are basically and Frank and federal law enforcement are the Nazis and they're going to write a book about this someday then that was one that was Sunday Monday Trump speaks to Tim walls on the phone Tuesday Tim walls is troops Minnesota state patrol go in and start arresting actual protesters by the way not even like Alex pretty fake protesters like real protesters albeit the kind to get violent because that's what happens in Minneapolis so then I see okay you lose bovino and then who are they inserting instead Tom Homan who is much more the face of the mass deportations I'm looking at this maybe it's rose colored glasses but I don't really think it is I agree with Matt they can't they can't scale back even one little bit I agree with you guys yes the messaging needs to be tight of course but if they don't scale back and all we get is okay Tom Homan's leading it now and walls backs down and and in his own words says that he's a Nazi collaborator that looks like a political win to me I'm looking I'm looking at this and seeing a potential political win to I think you're actually right about this I mean what I'm what I'm seeing is that in this conversation with walls Trump must have said something that that got his got him to cooperate possibly threatened to expose the fact that he's obviously a homosexual serial killer in his spare time allegedly discharging by his body language I mean that's all I'm going by but I mean something must have said something to get him on board because it does look it does look different to me today and it looks different in a good way and I think it's a good thing to have Homan in there because of his messaging and also because he's just good with this he just does a good job and he's a typical man I think it would true yeah your point here I think is well taken I think that you know the the two my guess is the what Trump said to him is something like okay we're going to keep enforcing federal law what is your recommendation for how we do this differently probably put it back in his lap and said you're saying you don't want us to do this so what so what do you recommend because we can't stop enforcing federal law and if you get in the way of us enforcing federal law I will declare the insurrection act and then you will have a real problem on your hands inside your state because it's going to look like you're going up against the federal government and that has a long and glorious history in American law by the way we'll just look like that he invoked 1863 Tim Walsh he threatened to call up Minnesota troops to fight the federal government I mean this is as clear an insurrection as there is 100% and so I think that the Trump probably said that I think Walsh backed off of the thing I think he's probably going to claim some sort of Tichel or victory by getting Bavino out of there but the the reality is also this and I think it's something that everybody ought to keep in mind about just the way our politics are done if you ask Americans would they like to cut the federal government dramatically they always say yes by huge numbers and then if you ask them what specific programs they want to cut the answer is none of them and if you ask Americans would you like to report 20 million illegal immigrants they all say yes and then they say would you like to spend billions upon billions of dollars deporting obuela then they say no we only want to criminally legal immigrants so you have to drill down into what Americans kind of revealed preferences are on this thing and again I'm not saying that that doesn't mean that we should pursue mass mass deportations I'm just saying that there's a reason why Tom Homan and the rest of the administration keep saying the phrase criminal illegal immigrants because that's the area where you have 90 10 approval when you're talking about people who have already committed other crimes if you start with those people you're never going to run into political headwinds you're just going to win from beginning to end where things are going to start to get much dice here is in situations in which you are unleashing you know tens of thousands of of federal agents in areas and and doing these sort of mass deportations because then you get the ugly pictures on your TV again so we would just do well to acknowledge political reality as much as we we acknowledge the reality reality which is that mass migration is done from end to damage to the country needs to end and you know listen to the fact that we can get rid of a lot of people in quieter ways just by making it impossible for them to work then you know they'll self-deport there is though you know just to give a little grace to these guys including bovino there are a lot of clips going around for Minneapolis of the the protesters are protesters the agitators arguing and saying you know you're just ranting people up you know indiscriminately and you'll have the ice officers say we're targeting this guy you know this guy who's wanted for domestic violence this guy who's got you know a felony or a misdemeanor whatever and and so I I actually do think that these raids are clearly quite targeted it's not like they're just shown up to Home Depot though they would be justified in doing that as well so yes as there there has been a PR failure there's no question about that I think we all have to grant though there was always going to be some kind of PR failure it was always going to be very difficult and it's always Minneapolis you know it's always Minneapolis it seems to be only Minneapolis so what's the difference in the United States be where they're where they're sanctuary cities which is a city that's basically in violation of federal law you know I mean yes and so when you look at that look this is clearly they're trying to do a repeat of the summer of love albeit thankfully to Matt's point in the winter which makes it better for us but they're trying to do that it worked for them last time if Trump scales back now that he will have taken every wrong lesson out of the summer of love so you got to keep the pressure up but it looks to me like this is a political operation and then you get all these reports that the lieutenant governor of Minnesota was allegedly in the signal chats helping to direct some of this stuff you have state representatives who are calling for resistance actively obstructing law enforcement you know at what point do we bring the hammer of the law down on the officials who are helping to conspire for to include to include the mayor of Minneapolis that's one of the reasons why you know in Trump said he had a good conversation with Jacob Fry and I get this you know this this is how Trump does business he talks to someone even if they're a huge scumbag and they have a nice conversation and then Trump Trump likes him for like 24 hours and hates him again I get that but Jacob Fry I mean this guy like we can't we can't let go look past the fact that this is the same guy who was fomenting and facilitating mass rioting in 2020 and now he's doing it again he's just did this exact same thing again we're repeating it five six years later and and that's why I think that if yeah we could talk about honing the the PR message a little bit that's one thing but the scale back in the slightest and also for there to be no consequences at all to your point Michael if there are no consequences for any of these actual public officials at all who been involved in this then I think it's a it's a massive massive loss in the end and it only will be out to more in the future well this has already been chased out of office by his own corruption so there's that you know he's not really he's not really running for anything ever again I mean I don't know what I don't know I could see walls trying to transition this into a presidential run the person who's most grateful for honestly they're the person who's the most grateful for all of the system walls he was in the middle of a fraud scandal when all the surrupted and now he's going to look like a hero to a huge segment of the democratic party base so there's that one thing that is worth noting here is again the last 10 years have just proved that a huge swath of our population is unbelievably bored and also susceptible to the idea that there is great fun to be had in making trouble really I mean when you watch people out in the streets blowing whistles to obstruct ice operations whether it's that or the summer of love or or any of the rest of this kind of idiocy in the streets that we've been watching and it seems to be coming more and more common I think we do have to ask ourselves the question what the hell is wrong with his society in which large swaths of working age people are are finding the time and effort to go out in the middle of the freezing cold in order to agitate and that that speaks to a sort of unwellness that that I think is is pretty astonishing and it seems to be you know relegated to certain populations and here it seems like white liberal ladies in the suburbs are one of those populations it seems to be disproportionately attending some of these some of these operations in Minneapolis I mean I wonder what the these sort of societal problem that we're experiencing that is generating all this is I think we were yeah good the three words it's it's Marvel movie morality it's this extremely simplistic view where the liberals are always the good guys and the conservatives are always the bad guys and worse than that it's a Marvel movie anthropology I did you see this video one of these agitators picks up a flashbang one of these non-lethal grenades like clearly she's sought in some movie and she goes to throw a bloser finger off it's going around on the anti-ice social media pages right now or the idea that you can drive your car into a cop and then when the cops pull their guns out the the lesbian partner says why did why did the gun have bullets in it after Alex pretty was shot the the woman who was filming this whole thing who could have tried intervene who could have tried to pull him off the cops when they shot him she goes what what shocked like she had never been more surprised by anything in her life these are people who who take their entire view of history anthropology and morality from comic book movies and they go out and they they meet reality and the part that I feel sorry is for them about is they seem genuinely surprised by it that's how divorced from reality they are you know I have to say to though I was reading an article about our pal Nick Fuentes and what what the complaints are people who go and look at him one of the things that really bothers me about Fuentes is I keep hearing people say how talented he is and how funny he is like I read this bothers me is one of my few talents is spotting broadcast talent he's a he's a moderate third level broadcast talent he's got a sense of humor and he says things that are outrageous and makes makes you laugh but but he's not really he's not a real talent like I've seen people be like some even some of the people in this very room have to tons more talent than than he does but he is speaking to something that is bothering people which is this kind of you know trans valuation of all values where where men are penalized for being men where women aren't women were women are actually encouraged not to be like women it something is really strange in this country that is the left seeping through our media which in my opinion is 100% corrupt I mean you've got like you've got poor Barry White she's like this like a dust in the machine and they're all getting together to get rid of her you know it's like this one middle of the road lefty it's like too much for them to take because she's going to make people play fair you know this this medium machine which is crumbling around us as we see the Washington Post getting rid of all its people it's crumbling but it's not crumbling fast enough and we still have a generation of people who are schooled in this machine schooled in the academies and actually believe the values of the left are values which they're not they're just an agitation as you call it a chaos operation and I think that that is a it's a serious problem because they don't have churches to go to they don't synagogue to go do when they don't have any other set of values to to hook themselves to when they have the churches that they can invade in violation federal law they do it that they scream it's children yeah synagogue isn't that why you going to churches to scream at children to make fries yeah do we think there's going to be any political consequence even for that stuff because to your point Matt you brought it up yeah we we want the illegals out people voted for mass deportations in 2024 we want that operation to continue what about the agitators are they going to be rounded up are these people going to be held to account for violations of the face act say or maybe other federal law or is Tim Walls I mean just to use the Tim Walls example Scott Besson treasury secretary came out he said I went to investigate fraud in in Minnesota Tim Walls would not give me a security detail amid all this craziness in Minnesota it's been going on for five years he wouldn't give me a security detail that no longer looks like all just some little mucklehead you know that looks like thuggery that looks like deep corruption that looks like he might have been conspiring in some of this fraud are any of these people going to be held to account okay that's what I thought okay great yeah yeah yeah so far for the for the church thing I think they've arrested two people who also were out of jail within 24 hours and we know how that would go we know how it would go if they were you know if they were outside of an abortion clinic and got arrested they they would not be out of jail even right now pending you know the trial and all that and and then we know the situation situation with Don Lemon who still has not been arrested so it doesn't there should be it should be that there are many people suffering very severe consequences but it doesn't appear that that's going to happen and if we're and that's why I think the church thing I don't know how many people invaded the church it was dozens it looked like or at least they wasn't or around it it was a lot if if that's it like if it's just those two and they end up getting slapped with a fine they got to do a few days in jail or something Don Lemon never goes to jail if that's it for that then I think that is a very bad sign you know going forward yeah I don't understand why we treat these guys so so immediately either I don't get it then is there any pred my only thought was is it just going to be hard because he can pretend to be a journalist and that's why they don't want to do it because they don't want to lose because they're not going to get involved have been yeah yeah that's right I mean I think I think that he will escape the the the claws of justice once again Don Lemon is thwarted he's like the Joker you know exactly he's he's doing it for you the people ever since he allegedly cropped that guy at Merff's bar in the Hamptons he just gets away with it every time deeply deeply frustrating well I mentioned the Marvel movie morality I haven't seen any of the movies this year I don't I don't think I've seen a single one I guess it's Oscar season I've heard about some of the movies it's certainly my lack of knowledge will not stop me from opining on it have any of you seen any of the actual movies I've seen a few of them I have to met before we talk about the Oscars in in my business with crime writing the Oscar is the Edgar Award named after Edgar Allen Poe I've won two of them and I've just been nominated for my six one for my book Kingdom of Kane which is nominated in the critical biographical category so I just wanted to announce that but but I've seen I've seen something the it's amazing that you know on the form that I have the PR form I have to tell it ask my pronouns so you know how what a great chance I have a winning to still the nominations a shock you know I the films that I've seen sinners and that one of one battle after another and Frankenstein we're all all have the exact same problem incredibly brilliant technical talent went into making them look beautiful but because the people have no philosophy that makes sense in the second half they just completely unravel because they don't know what they're saying the only thing that Guillermo D'Altharo can say is monsters are nice you should sleep with them girls should sleep with monsters and that's all he says in every movie you just think like you know get a psychiatrist work that out and come back and make a movie that makes them sense you know sinners sinners the same way it's a steal from that Tarantino movie where everybody turns out to be it was dusk till dawn and and then yeah and the second half of the first half of it view it's beautiful the music fantastic acting is pretty good but but the second half of it makes absolutely no sense and it ends up with this scene of murdering mean white people as a means of getting into heaven you can't forgive people you have to kill them before you can get actually get into heaven and and the same is true that that one about the one battle after another it's just left violent left wing propaganda basically romanticize and at this point I just kind of thought like yeah no I mean it like how can you you can't say anything bad about the caprio as an actor he's a good actor all these people who really talented and the talent is there but each film unravels in the second half because the philosophy behind it or the outlook find it makes no sense I wonder about the timing though because you mentioned these movies that promote left wing political violence and they're the really hot movies this year and then I think back what was it now almost nine eight nine ten years ago when the big hot movies were moonlight and shape of water yeah at that time the weird sex stuff was in vogue and they they pushed a movie about petarasti in a movie about having sex with a fish and now left wing violence is in vogue and they they push one one battle after another whatever all these other movies and I think okay there's a very little connection between the popular zeitgeist and the movies that win Oscars but there seems to be a very tight connection between the zeitgeist in Hollywood you know the kind of fashions of the elite liberals and the movies that they put up and so I think okay well that's a tell you know that's they're just pushing left wing political violence now they've been celebrating it at least since charlie was assassinated and okay at least that's a decent metric on where we are on where our elites are just doesn't have any connection to the actual popular culture I sort of hope it doesn't so I mean I was trying to counter that's what that is what I was being distracted not just because I couldn't deal with whatever nobles was saying but I was trying to write down the names of the the best picture nominees I believe that I have seen of the 10 because they they expanded this category when dark night wasn't nominated way back when they expanded the category so now it's 10 and of the 10 I would spend it should not have been nominated by the way here we go you know what that is the most offensive thing you have said in this entire episode that was that it that is a horrifying statement and I hope you know you're good you're you're being frozen in darkness getting getting no less than you deserve for that for that comment just just I dang it well that didn't work anyway they're there are 10 films that been nominated I believe I've seen six of them the ones that I've not seen yet are bagonia hamnet the secret agent which is not available on streaming yet and already supreme which is not available on streaming yet one of the big problems here is that I've seen none of these films in a movie theater because of course movie theaters are basically dead and so the the notion that you that anyone is seeing a lot of these movies in the theater is is just not true um yes I mean the the matic of the oscar is which movie is most likely to foment anti right wing violence that that is clearly the theme that the two movies that are currently being touted as the front runners for best picture are one battle after another which is in antifa fantasy flick about how a group of rebels decide multiracial uh... and their their kind of hapless white friend leanard caprio decide that they're going to engage in anti ice operations right there in a free a bunch of illegal immigrants they're they're going to that the big hero of the film is uh beneath shell's a torreau who is the only competent terrorist in the film who who basically runs an underground railroad for illegal immigrants the great villain the film is Sean Penn who's a guy with a black lady fetish uh and works for law enforcement and is gross and violent obviously and the entire United States is run by a secret group of white supremacists who are polo shirts right that that's that's the basis for one battle after another uh and i wish i was joking but that's actually the plot of one battle after another uh it is it is it is so subtle so subtle subtle is a brick uh the the acting in it i thought was actually not particularly good to caprio is fine he doesn't have much to do is the truth in the film and so the the film is basically a giant felt the other one that people have been touting now is sinners because sinners got so much so many nominations it is now the most nominated film in oscar history which is kind of watered down considering they've added a bunch of categories and also absurd on its face because sinners is a b-level movie at best uh just in terms of the the direction it's it's beautiful to look at i mean i will say that the the the first hour of it is is i think beautifully directed it looks it looks great the acting is good uh the music uh there are a couple of songs that really that really kind of move uh it's kind of like a musical it's basically a musical but it's a musical about how black people need to break away and form their own country and any white imprint on black people is actually the white people attempting to steal their blood in their soul that is the basic idea of the movie uh that is why the vampires are led by a white irish group musical group it's supposed to be i assume some sort of commentary on white people stealing black music and then living off of the lifeblood of black people there's a lot of anti-Christian commentary about how christianity uh is a religion that is that is that is foisted upon black people but true blackness is animism and paganism from from africa that's that's where the real black spirit lies it's an incredibly racist film and it's a really racist film it's also incredibly reductive of the black experience in america and kind of bizarre ways uh and also reductive of the the actual development of of music like if you're going to look at the blues and and the the kind of basis of it is it all takes place in the 1930s and they these black guys decide they're going to create a blues bar essentially and this blues bar is where black people can be free this is the basic premise of the film and and the entire idea and that the big kind of bally hood scene is a scene where one of the guys is a black singer and he's throwing the guitar and he's singing the blues and it really is it kicks ass it's great and then it goes into this fantasy where he's uniting all of the black influences of the past and all black people in the future and so you have people playing the electric guitar and you have people from africa who are walking around a drum and all this and then you have a ballet dancer a black ballet dancer who moves through and you think to yourself wait hold up a second i feel like that is not a historically black art form the ballet and also the guitar was not invented in africa and also the court progression of the blues was not invented in africa and actually music as it turns out is a group events just like culture is a group of and meaning that it is it is pulled from a number of different influences you can't take a single cultural thing that exists and not find cultural imprints from a dozen different cultures on it some more than others but to pretend that there's no white cultural influence in the blues is of course silly any more than to not acknowledge that there's huge black influence in rock and roll would be would be really really silly and so that it's kind of reductive ideologies really dumb but that's exactly why it's being celebrated the other point on the religion band is just so funny that because you hear this a lot this is the whole point of quanzas like black people shouldn't celebrate christmas christianity isn't for black people i just pulled up i'm happy to have my computer here uh there is a saint in the church uh who goes back to the year three thirty a.d. who was so black that his name is saint moses the black that's that guy so it like this is not some new thing like it you know christianity just came to black people yesterday you know it's been around black people basically from the beginning but don't tell that to holly with it the first really the ethereum one of the first people to convert the bible yeah i mean north africa north africans had a lot to do with the early development of the church of let's say just just just a few of them so by the way the calci markets again they're one of our sponsors they suggest that sinners is way up in the in the markets now is up like it was five or six percent a week ago now it's up to twenty five percent one battle after another is still leading that but yeah i mean the the you know it is it is a deeply racist but it also kind of sucks meaning the first half of it is good and then the second half is a mess once the vampires come the whole thing really really falls apart in pretty significant ways because the reason to see the academy the guys the academy awards i think lost all credibility if there's a moment you can point to it's when they gave i think it was seven nominations to black panther including best picture and so at at that point and by the way you know i you know i when that happened i said this is ridiculous people say well have even watched the movie and the answer is no i never want like i don't need to watch the movie i could just tell you that it's ridiculous that black panther is this critically acclaimed film so it's it's kind of lost all credibility from that point although i will say there are a couple of movies that were nominated that it's not all bad like i actually do i'm not as down on modern filmmaking is maybe some of the rest of you guys here uh because i i do think they're interesting movies and even really good movies that come out every year i thought i actually begonia i think was nominated as a best picture right and uh and i saw that and i thought i would hate it because i figured because i knew it was this story about uh this conspiracy you know it was implied a kind of like right wing basement dwelling conspiracy theorist who kidnaps this female CEO uh and like holds her hostage in the basement and so i thought it would just be this kind of broadside against right wing conspiracy theories and uh it wasn't quite that or at least i think it was a little bit more complicated than that the point they were making and i thought it was an interesting movie so that that was one as well i thought train dreams was um if you get there's a little wo there's some woke racial stuff in the beginning of the movie you know they got a they got a show some of that they got to cover that base but that once you get past that i thought it was uh i thought it was a beautifully made movie that had really no plot at all but i i enjoyed it anyway okay so this is this is my big problem okay so i saw train dreams no plot f1 is just a popcorn flick it's a it's kind of a warm it's a good fun it's fine it's it's a it's a warm over top gun maverick yeah right it's a top gun maverick is just a better version of of f1 uh and uh and it's it's it's it's fine uh sentimental value is another one of these art house flex about how artists suffer in pursuit of their art and we should all care because their artists and that means they're very very important uh sinners we've discussed one battle after another frankenstein i was really disappointed by because again the source material the reason people keep getting the source material wrong is the whole thing is about how secular atheism robs people of their meaning that's the entire basis of the married chubby book yeah i'm reading it to my to my daughter right now she's a little young for it but we're doing it anyway she's a leaven and i'm reading it to her and and the the entire thing is about how once you dispense with god what you end up with is basically meet and how that robs people of their soul and when you in not just the monster but the people who actually build the monster are robbed of their soul by treating people as though they have no soul and they are just pieces of meat essentially and because Guillermo del Toro doesn't understand that it's just a monster flake it's a beautifully made monster flake but it's a monster flake and also there's a thing with sleeping with the girls want to sleep at the monsters like the guy's got a mom and he's got he's got some kind of Freudian thing like a throwback to Freudian problems and uh by the way you should read the chapter in the kingdom of can which was nominated for an editor i may have mentioned should be the chapter of frankincense and kingdom of can it's a totally original take on frankincense it's really good and i bet i think that what what this speaks to and again this is what drives me up a wall the writing and Hollywood has declined markedly this to me is the biggest problem because the pictures are beautiful the pictures are more beautiful than they've ever been right the the sound quality is better than it has ever been right the the quality of the camera work is better than his ever been you can do things with cameras you couldn't do and the movies are not as good because the writing is just not good and the ring and maybe that's because people have become too reliant on all of the rest of it there you know they don't know what they think then it's because i think that's really it yeah yeah i mean and the beginning of frankincense so beautiful that i thought oh i love this movie i thought i was going to love it the same thing was true of no sparado god i was gorgeous but i was and i saw these i saw nas forado in the theater and it was unbelievable gorgeous but they don't know what they believe because they're not allowed and the guy who makes nas forado the director's name is obviously looking for god but he can't quite you know find him or you can't believe this is this is why i this is why i think that the only two top contenders they do know what they think what they think is bad and wrong yeah what do they think right but if i make a sense you know yes i mean it's internally it makes no sense but they but there's at least there's a through line the through line is bad and stupid but it is the through but it is yeah but it is a through line and a lot of these other movies are sort of wandering around in search of a in search of a through line yeah well and you're watching around so what we can look forward to is that the winners in the big award for our popular culture will either be meaningless and completely inverted from reality or we'll know what it believes and just be really bad and stupid yeah i think it's fair great okay well anyway it's fun guys i hope you all stay warm Ben you will be staying warm and i guess i'll be able to join all of you for another chipper episode of friendly fire next time