The 2025 Fantasy Football Awards: MVP, LVP, Biggest Leap, Hottest Take, Best Quote, and What Aged the Worst

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At chime.com slash fees info with a qualifying direct deposit earn 1.5% cash back on eligible Secured Chime Visa Credit Card purchases. APY means annual percentage yields. Learn more at chime.com. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Craig Horvick and I'm joined by Dandy Kelly and Dandy Heifetz and today we are doing the 2025 Fantasy Football Awards. We're going to jump right into it. It was a long arduous fantasy season. I don't want to talk about what happened in the Ringer Fantasy Football League but let's just say I had my last match a latte this morning for a week. Yeah, how's the mood? How are you feeling? I will right now. I'm buzzing. You're on edge. You just get so much caffeine in today. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to overload for the week. We have a bunch of fun categories. Some are inspired from Blue Watchables. A lot of them we came up with on our own over the years. We're going to recap the entire NFL and fantasy football season and one fell swoop. We're going to start off big. We're going to do it like the Oscars. They start out with best supporting actors, best supporting actors just to get people hooked. We're just going to go with the biggest one first. We're going to start with the fantasy MVP. I think we actually all might have different answers. I'll start DK. Who do you think is the fantasy MVP this year? So I think it's actually Christian McCaffrey, but I want to first acknowledge Puka Nakuha because he was absolutely electric. I feel like he got overshadowed somewhat by JSN throughout the whole season because JSN was on pace to set the record for a long time. He was doing incredible things. He kind of had come out of nowhere, but Puka ended up being the wide receiver one on the season in both total points and points per game. He averaged 19.3 points per game and a half PBR, basically zero duds all year other than one game where he got hurt and left early. Basically every other game he had double digit points. He was just the foundation of your team. I think if you had him on your team, you're probably in the top three. All my teams and Puka did really well this year. He ended up with 119. In this, not even there's one game left, but in the fantasy season, 119 catches almost 1,700 yards, nine touchdowns. Also added a rushing touchdown. He also did extraordinarily well in the early part of the playoffs. He got 23 half PBR points in the first round, propelled you to the semis. He had 41 points in the semifinals. Obviously if you had Puka, you're probably in the finals. He did fine in the last game. You probably had to have other guys carry you in your championship game, but I think overall, Puka was just rock solid start to finish. Stafford has an incredible connection with him. He was just one of the most, if not the most valuable player in fantasy. It's a bummer that that catch from Monday night didn't count. That would have been quite the cherry on top of a ridiculous season. I mean, my God, the Falcons beat the Rams in that game, but there was a crazy comeback that the Rams almost put together. Dude, that pass to Puka that he almost caught. Those are either the stickiest gloves I've ever seen in my life or Puka might be really rising up the ranks in terms of just like the most ridiculous wide receivers I've ever seen. I don't think I've ever seen a catch like that. No, it didn't look physically possible the way that the ball kind of suspended in the air. I don't really I don't understand exactly how that happened. I couldn't believe how quickly Puka had possession of that ball. Like the fact that he didn't actually drop it, that A.G. Torell actually pulled his arm and actually ripped away. Like Puka had possession instantly. Like I've never seen a ball travel as far and then he basically hit. I was a rock. And that was, I don't know. Honestly, it's too bad that that didn't count. I think the two I don't want to step on best play of the year, but I think two of the best plays of the entire season were then upon review, not actually counting. But that would have been right there with anything. Well, they showed the speaking of that Puka catch. They showed the same angle like three or four times in a row. Everyone on the timeline was like, oh, that's a catch. I can caught that. This is your idea. How many camera angles? Well, you get all the angles, but only three times. So unfortunately, this one does count. I think this I this is one of those where there should be that. That was a catch. Come on, spiritually a catch. We should get five plays a year where we're like. But that was cool though, and we just get to keep it. Just felt like a catch. Then they showed the second angle and it clearly kind of came out of his hands. Again, it just suspended it air. It didn't like it wasn't like he lost it. It sort of was just like he was readjusting it or something. But here's the thing with Puka and I think why if we go to next year and it's funny, I don't know the MVP is we can argue about it, but at each position, it's so obvious. It's Drake may a quarterback because of where you took him. It's Christian McCaffrey at running back. It's Trey McBride at tight end and it's Puka receiver. And you could argue Smith and Jig, but I think the reason Puka Nukua maybe I think you could make maybe he's the first receiver taken next year. When you watch the Rams play, Puka feels inevitable, especially with Devonta Adams out because the fact the fact two different games this year, one Puka had the most amazing play catch ever with the game on the line week 13. It was amazing. This Monday night football was but also the amount of times that Puka Nukua gets a touchdown, it's called back for holding and they're like screw it. He gets a touchdown again on the same drive. Like there I think he's the number one player you don't want to remember. Certainly the number one receiver and replacing Chimarchase as the guy you don't want going against you on Monday night football. Yes. There's something about Puka that feels a little different. Like, you know how like when you're playing pick up basketball or something, there's the guy kind of like Hyphens who is like, I'm going to make up for what I lack in talent with effort. Yeah. And Puka is like that. But he's also a back end talent. Yeah, it's like, it feels like he's Hyphens. I mean, he would agree with that. That's like how he described his game. He's in your shorts. Yeah. I always said I'm Patrick Beverly and Glenn Davis is by that's my pick up. Yeah. I feel like Puka tries harder than every other NFL player. You know what I mean? And he combines that with his ridiculous talent like that catch. I feel like he was like, I will sell my body to make any catch to win this game. And it just feels different than any other wide receiver. I don't know. I can't explain. Yeah. I totally agree with that. Craig, he's just out there. I don't know. Like, yeah, he is just actually a maniac and that is kind of a double head sword at times and it has been in the previous seasons because of the injury situation. Like he peels himself off. He missed. He only missed one game this week this year. So yeah, I mean, I think it's going to be very interesting to see where he goes. He's it's also going to be very interesting to see if Stafford is back. I think Stafford after this year, regardless of what happens in the playoffs, he's got to come back, right? Like, he's back because he's back. Right. No one's ever won an MVP. He's not going to win the MVP, but no one's ever won an MVP and retired. Right. I don't think so. I can't imagine. I'd look at maybe Jim Brown, but I don't think so. But yeah, so I think he has a chance to be, you know, one of the first picks overall and Jim Brown. Well, I'm not going to like that. I got a nice poll. Did he do that? Nice poll. When MVP in nineteen sixty five. That's the best poll I've ever had. Yes. Jim Brown. That's really impressive. Um, I also think Stafford was one of the best values. Just kind of lump these two guys together. Stafford was an afterthought in drafts. Like you probably, if you're in a one QB league, you definitely just picked him off off waivers. If you're in a two QQ QQB league, he was down there. Like you could have gotten him gotten him really, really late in the draft and he ended up being the QB five basically up there with all the elite guys. 20 points per game. Better than Hertz, better than Lamar. I mean, Stafford was freaking amazing this year too. Yeah. We always kind of say that there's there's usually one pocket passer every year that breaks through. It was like Baker the year before the Dak the year before that. And it's always impossible to find them. But I agree. I mean, Stafford was going lower than most of those quarterbacks that like Dak or even Baker were. And Stafford was like the QB 25. Nobody was thinking about him. Bill took him in our draft. We took him and then now got him and now one of the goddamn league because Puka now won the league because Bill cut Stafford and then Stafford. She combined Stafford with Puka and stacked them. Bill also cut Traven Henderson. Yes. And I got yes. And then he ended up a mouse team too because they traded him to her. Anyway, it's infuriating, but the psycho thing Stafford's a psycho too with pain. He plays through injuries. And then I think they're running that Christian McCaffrey. I think he's kind of like that too. Like that's what all they have in common. McCaffrey, I don't think gets put in the same conversation of like, oh, he's a man here. He doesn't leave the field. And I got to tell you, you could argue whether McCaffrey's the MVP because it was the first round or other guys were went later, but I want to make the case for McCaffrey, please. I think he is my fantasy MVP in terms of risk, reward, expectations, outcome, the stress, what he delivered. All of that. It has to be Christian McCaffrey. He finished the year as the RB one in both total points and points for game. This is now his third season as the overall RB one. Has anyone ever done that? Probably the Danian Jim Brown. Dude, I feel like we all look back on the 2023 Niner season with McCaffrey and like that is kind of that that sits above the rest that was this kind of magical season. He scored one less point this year than that year. And that's wild. It's it's the single biggest fantasy exhale in recent memory. This man had bilateral Achilles tendonitis. Whatever that basically didn't play in 2024 came back. We got hurt. Drafted him in the first round. And then yes, we forget the Thursday episode that week one, the opening game we recorded after that opening game Dallas Philly. And that day there was a report that came out that McCaffrey mispractice with a fucking calf injury. I spent six months telling everyone, don't worry about it. Don't worry about the calf's health. It's the stop. You think they did that just to troll everyone? I don't know. He played like 90 percent of the snaps. Maybe he had a cramp and they were very cautious. But I mean, just adding that panic in, he's 29 years old and then he ends up after all that he's at 399 touches. His career highs 403. He's going to break that this year. His career high in touches. He had almost a thousand yards rushing and receiving. He's going to play all 17 games. And like you mentioned earlier with Puka DK, he didn't screw you in the fantasy playoffs, which I think is a huge part of this. I do. Like Jameer Gibbs, who was great this year, killed you in the playoffs. McCaffrey was the RB4 in the fantasy playoffs. He averaged 23 fantasy points per game, which was better than his season long average. So he got better in the final three weeks of the season. He had 29 in the fantasy championship. So although you had to draft him in the first round, I think like the stress and pain and fear of having him and then paying off and him playing every game was the most gratifying feeling and fantasy. Agree. You went out on a limb to take him and it fucking paid off. We said McCaffrey would be the number one week running back every week. He played every game. Fucking crazy. The funny thing is, like, did he look that good this year? No. He was. I mean, he was. He did not look the same relative to normal McCaffrey. I think he was not the same guy, but the volume was incredible. He's obviously still a very good player. I think he looks like if he was a 10 out of 10 on like the talent freak skill, I think he's now a nine. Like to me, it looks a little slower. He looks a little bigger. He does not look a shifty. He was way more involved in the passing game. And I thought that's what really brought him to this level to me. When he was running the ball, I did not. I do not think he's in the category of like John of the Taylor, Jamire gives it all. I think it's the same thing to me as like Seguan where it's Seguan, a worse player than he was in nine months ago, or is the offensive line worse? I just think the nine is offensive line is just a worse product. And the injuries along the O line. I don't think McCaffrey is worse. I think that he just wasn't able to get to the second level for an entire season. But yeah, there was two years. Absolutely. There's fewer big plays. I don't think he had to rush over 18, 20 yards until this week. But he just to me looks not not quite the same. He's 29 years old. He's coming off a year of not really playing. I think he's fresh. 400 touches. I know what I I, you know, I got a lot of shit wrong, but I have to tell you, I was a big sigh of relief that he got freaking played. Well, yeah, you were about you were ready to. You were fucking ready to jump off a cliff Thursday. You're like, I'm just ruined my year already. Literally the moment like as soon as everyone's finished their drafts, then they're like, by the way, today he heard like as literally he hasn't played the there's a two day window where nobody's played any games, but everyone's done their drafts anyway. Is he is he your fantasy? M.P. Are you want to make the case? I think I think yes for McCaffrey. If you want to do the whole thing of if you actually ESPN sometimes publishes a list of like who actually led to the most championship teams. I think the only person I would say. I think you can make an argument for Trey McBride because for one simple reason. I mean this without exaggeration, the only tight end you could have drafted and then just played every week and never changed your lineup and you would have been greatest Trey McBride like it just to tick down the other tight ends this year that you could have taken just in order that they were drafted Brock Bowers killed you for two months. George Kittle was good, but played like 10 games. Sam LaPorte missed the final two months of the season. Travis Kelsey actually ended up as a top three tight end this year, even though he's going to retire because he's so washed. T.J. Hawkinson was unplayable. God, I know that's the thing. And so going total points he played. I don't think I realize that. But I'm just going down in the list of the order these guys were drafted on average T.J. Hawkinson unplayable. Mark Andrews unplayable. Evan Enger on a rosterable. Tyler Warren was really good and then like pretty bad after we felt off, man. I don't think he didn't have double digit points since week. 10. Yeah. Did not have double digit points after week 10. David Anjoka was unrosterable. Tucker Kraft was awesome, but he only played half the season. Coastal Loveland killed you for the first three months. Dalton Kecade had like two good games after week five. Jake Ferguson was awesome, but he cratered after CDLAM came back like week eight on Jake Ferguson did nothing for you. Dallas Goddard was frankly the only other tight end you could have drafted and then played all year because he just played and he ended up being a top six tight end out of sheer volume. But he was literally not a top 32 tight end in the month of November and then Kyle Pitts, who through 12 weeks was the number three tight end in the league. You probably didn't stick with long enough to necessarily get you the playoffs. So yeah, I just want to shout out to Trey McBride because the gap between him and the number two tight end is the same as the gap between the number two tight end and like the 23 tight end. Well, you know, it's funny about that. I had that exact stat. You know who is the number two tight end on the season? Do you know? Total points. Two or 22. Two. Do you know who's the number two tight end in fantasy football this year? I do because I looked up two tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts in a lie and there were not two tight ends. DK, it's Kyle Pitts. He's the number two tight end. That's correct. There were not two tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts this year. We have to retire the segment. What? Yes. I mean, look, it's still the stat hyphens aligned. I have the exact thing here. So it's just to show you how dominant Trey McBride was. Kyle Pitts, the tight end two was closer to Kate Otten, the tight end 30 than he was to Trey McBride. Yeah. Yeah. And what that means tight end more than any other position, there's like tears of scoring where the truth is sometimes we rely too much as a short hand. The number nine tight end, the number 14, but Scott Barrett at fantasy points does a great job pointing this out. It doesn't matter. Like it doesn't matter. Tight end 9 14. If the difference is eight points a game and seven point three, it doesn't matter, which is obvious if you look at the scores of your match like you've already lost. You've already lost. It's like the differences between tight end 10 and tight end 20 is like one point a game. The difference between McBride's in his own tier. It's like how Kelsey used to be where he's getting 16, 17 points a game. And then the next group is tight end two is getting like 12. Yeah. And so it's I think that's the argument for McBride is if you just took him, you're so much better off than anyone else did. I think that's a good case. I think because of the lack of importance of tight end in general, I've and just honestly, like spiritually, narratively, it feels like what McAfrey did this year was just more impressive. And and and that is the thing that when you talk to your friends about the fantasy season, I think McAfrey is the first conversation you have in terms of somebody who delivered for you. He's what DK always says about Tom Brady. McAfrey is the fantasy version where you when you have him, he's like Alexander the Great, you feel like you can't die. Yeah, because he's playing for you. And I think he feels like he can't die. I don't think I can die. It's like poop. Um, the the other guy that I throw out here and there's a scientific case for this, I think is not scientific, but statistical. I was interested. Um, is Bijan Robinson. I saw this from Yahoo actually in Yahoo leagues, the player most common on winning championship teams in their public leagues was Bijan Robinson. And part of that, I think is obviously, so he was the running back three. He averaged over 20 points per game and half PPR probably won a lot of people. Their fantasy championship. That's the thing is he went off as in the fantasy championships. He's I think he scored 37 points last night. Um, and he brought, he delivered championships to a lot of teams and not necessarily like, you know, he wasn't up there in terms of the total points with with Christian McCaffrey, blah, blah, blah. Like he actually was behind Jonathan Taylor and points per game too. Um, but man, he came through in the clutch for you when you really needed it. So he was the number one player overall, uh, in terms of on most championship teams, according to Yahoo. Yeah. I would also like to shout out briefly. We mentioned about how important fantasy playoffs are. There were two guys this year, uh, who like were historically good in the fantasy playoffs and it was Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy. I saw this at a couple of different places. Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy had the two best fantasy playoff runs by a quarterback in the modern era. Wow. Trevor Lawrence had 98 points in three weeks and Brock Purdy had 94 points over three. You said both of them are one, two, both of them are one, two for the most quarter, most quarterback points in week 16, 17 or the 15, 16, 17, 17, correct. Is that not insane? That's crazy. Brock Purdy helped me kick ass in my ninth place game. Brock Purdy finished the season as the QB two and points per game. Points per game. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny because we all we're going to talk about. We're going to, I think this is all going to lead to so much apathy for us next season of I, it just reminds me like I was in group texts. Obviously it's like the group text kind of has one final pop off right when the league, the winner is announced. And I asked a couple of different texts this and everyone said the same thing I said in any leagues you're in, did the number one or number two seed win any of your leagues and everyone's like, no. And I think Lawrence and Purdy is an example. Why? We're Purdy like people who were playing these guys at the end. We're not good in the middle of the season. And then suddenly you have like Trevor Lawrence and Ashha Gentie or Trevor Lawrence and Derek Henry and Trevor Lawrence and Derek Henry's Derek. Yeah. And you're like those two guys, you're like, well, that's like 80% of the work. Yeah. We should keep note of that as the NFL playoffs are about to begin that the number one seed and fantasy didn't actually win the whole thing. Maybe we should keep that in mind. So are we, who are we deciding that? I think Christian McCaffrey. Yeah. I mean, dude, he hurt his calf the Thursday of the beginning of the season. You know what's funny though? And he had the same year as 2023. Dude, he was the foundation of so many teams. Yeah. But what's the, what are we actually giving an award for? Cause if you think about it, if we're going to outsource any award in the world to just a number, Bijon being on the most championship teams is like by definition, the most I have a player. And yet we didn't consider them, which to me just means you, I don't know if you guys have looked at the championship teams in your leagues. I'm in like 10 leagues. You just look at the teams and you're like, this fucking team. Like if you'd gone back three weeks ago, I'm like, I wouldn't have picked. I wouldn't. I would. You're like, Hey, you can just have this team. I'd be like, Nope. I don't want that. Yeah. If you just blindly looked at their leagues, the teams in your league and you're like, guess which one you won the league. You'd be like, I don't know. It's, it's just doesn't feel right. Like Bijon had weeks. Like when you look at Bijon, like he had a week of four, eight, eight. McCaffrey was way more consistent than Bijon and there's just way more risk involved. I think you have to factor that in. I don't know. To me, it feels like the story of the season is not Bijon Robinson. It's McCaffrey for fantasy. Yeah. I think so. Or as Pukas, I think it's by position. It's so easy. It's Stafford and Drake Mayans, which we'll get to make it Stafford and Puka McBride. We need it. We let's do the McCaffrey. Fine. McCaffrey needs to be an official Lord. We're going to be mailing these guys. Open up to the envelope like the Himmies. Yeah. It's McCaffrey. Okay. All right. That brings us to the LVP, the least valuable player in fantasy football. So we figured that we would go through our 17 players from the burn book this year and look to see if one of those players should be crowned the least valuable player or if we have anyone else that we think deserves it. So I can run through our 17 players here that we put in the burn book this season. Starting in week one, Jaylen Waddle, Mark Andrews, Isaiah Pacheco, Calvin Ridley, Trevion Henderson, Tony Pollard, Justin Fields is week seven, Alvin Camero was week eight. We went on to Bill Merritt, then DJ Moore, AJ Brown in week 11, Roma Dunze week 12, Justin Jefferson, Ashton Gentie in week 14, Ameca Ibuka in week 15. That's a brutal one. Yeah. Jackson Dart week 16 after he scored zero points that week and to cap things off, Jameer Gibbs who killed you in the fantasy playoffs. So is there somebody not on that list that you think deserves the LVP DK? I think weirdly enough, yeah, the least valuable guy in terms of where you drafted him, I think, and especially if you're not taking into like guys that got hurt like Brian Thomas Jr. I mean, he did miss a few games, but Brian Thomas Jr. when he was in there, how does this work? We not have him in the burn book. I don't understand that either. What did we do? Because he was hurt for a while, maybe that. Yeah, I don't know. We were going to give him time and then he got hurt. And so we never got to express our anger. And then by the time he came back, I said this the other day when we were talking about Jaylen Waddle, he came back into the game. I just didn't even notice like Brian Thomas got back into the the Jags roster and no one noticed like he just was like the wide receiver four on the team for the rest of the year. So he's a super weird case. I think when it comes to, you know, like I'm in a dynasty, a lot of dynasty leagues. And when you talk about like what a rookie does, he Brian Thomas Jr. what he did as a rookie was incredible. I mean, he literally scored the fourth most fantasy points among five receivers as a rookie as a rookie. 2.5 yards were outrun. Everything about him was like this guy is a rocket ship. Get him now before it's too late. He's only going up like people were comparing him to like neighbors. Who's better, you know, like neighbors or Brian Thomas Jr. And then I actually don't know if he's any good. Like I don't know if he's good. Do you guys know if he's good? Would you if you had a gun to your head and you're like, I want him on my team. I'm like, okay, like I don't really know if he's any good anymore. Like that's so crazy of a fall it has been for him. I think he's like the fourth best receiver on the Jags now. And I barely noticed him this year. Yeah, I think it is probably Brian Thomas for me. Guy this season's the next offseason is going to be so interesting. Like the farther chart for Brian Thomas is just going to be an incredible conversation. Even like talking about guys like McCaffrey or Seyquan going into next year is going to be bizarre. I think DK is right. I think the answer is probably Brian Thomas because like he fucked you. He was like the 15th overall pick. Yes, he was 15. I have a spiritual answer that I would like to personally make the case for. And it's it's Mr. Lamar Jackson who was the QB 20 on the season. 20 20 total and points per game. It was 16, but it felt worse because it was like just basically night and day is black and white. And he missed the four games of the injury. It felt like way more after he came back from the injury. He was the QB 27 behind Cam Ward. He was behind Geno Smith, JJ McCarthy, Kirk Cousins, Lamar for the basically second half of the season when you were depending on him for the eight games after the injury. He came back. He scored seven points or less. And then in week 16, if you somehow are lucky enough to make it to the second round of your fantasy playoffs, he scores four points and gets hurt. And I just think if you had Lamar, he fucking ruined your life this year. He ruined it. I actually this is the answer. This is the this is the real answer here. I think he is the least valuable player, especially relative to what he's done before and expectations for what he would do when he's on the field. And I think the the spirit of the burn book, the spirit of this this award is like who pissed you off the most. I stopped thinking about Brian Thomas halfway through the year. Like I just stopped thinking about him. Lamar Jackson fucked you at the worst time of year. He you know, he abandoned you in your time of need. He's like got hurt and then he missed. You know, he was just so worthless for literally like almost the entire second half of the season. I look there's huge chunks of this Ravens offense that have pissed me off over the years. Mark Andrews absolutely just like one of the most annoying players. It always felt like you could depend on at least Lamar is going to deliver in fantasy because he's so good, both as a passer and a runner. But man, he I'm perturbed at this team. I just like the Ravens right now when I think about the Ravens, I'm just like, God, fuck them. They're so annoying. Fuck that whole team, especially since Derek Henry bouts me from the championships like in three, three different leagues. He's never going to get over that. Never. Do you can I throw out one other name for Lee's valuable player? Sure. I think you could make a really strong case for Justin Jefferson. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great call. It's probably worse than Brian Thomas, honestly. He's not going to stoke as much anger as Lamar because of a sympathy because people are like, yeah, imagine. I would do a really having said that. Right. Here's the problem. He Justin Jefferson didn't get hurt. At least Brian Thomas had to be out for months and Lamar was out for months. You replaced him. You probably never played him again. So you're angry at Lamar. However, if you actually go with the least valuable player, no one benched Justin Jefferson. And if you did, congratulations. But Justin Jefferson, the final two months was not a top 60 wide receiver in fantasy football. Dude, he scored single digit points between week 10 and week 15, six straight games of single digit points. Dude, he did. Do you I mean this? This is not a joke. After week 10, Justin Jefferson had fewer fantasy points than Isaac Tisla. Who caught like how many passes? Six like six. Ryan Flournoy, Ryan Flournoy and the Cowboys was better than him. You would have been better off playing Isaac Tisla and Ryan Flournoy. Justin Jefferson was your first pick and you played him every week. It's a compelling case. I actually think it's Justin Jefferson. Every time we bring up somebody, you know, I think I agree with Hyphids. I think that he's the least valuable player. However, here's why. I kind of think it is Lamar in the sense that going in a next year, people who had Lamar will be way less likely to have Lamar again. People with Justin Jefferson will be talked into Justin Jefferson if there's any competition with J.J. McCarthy. I think what this season has done, even though it might not necessarily be be valid, is it's put into question like Lamar's career. Weirdly. I think people have a different opinion about Lamar now. So how is he going to age? Yes, Justin Jefferson. I think people still agree. He's a top three wide receiver talent wise. Lamar, it's like should the Ravens blow it up? There was a report. I think I buy Mike Sando today. Maybe it was more just like rumors and talk that the Ravens could even move on from Lamar, which is why Baltimore Sun report that Lamar is, you know, not kind of giving his all behind the scenes. He stays up late playing video games. He's not like super engaging in meetings, things like that. Yeah. So I want to pencil in. There's at least enough smoke happening that I'm like, man, it'd be crazy if they did that. I want to pencil in Lamar Jackson as a as a high fifties favorite by low for next year. Yeah, I mean, sure. Yeah, I just want to know one brings up the video. He was probably doing all those things the last five years and was fucking awesome. He just got hurt this year. He got hurt and the Ravens interior line sucked. And he got sick again, which I'm fucking tired of. I'm sick and tired of him being sick and tired. He's had all the illnesses, so he can't get sick anymore. I think I think Lamar is the LVP. I think Lamar is the LVP. Shots out to me who had him in two of my three weeks. I also think it's worth mentioning just throwing out that I mean, because I was looking at the quarterbacks for you drafted this year. And my point was going to be that man, like all these guys like somewhat delivered for you. Jane and Daniels just murdered you this year. Like he was so hurt that it basically that's a great one to think about. The guys that those guys hurt because when you take them, you're supposed to be excited about them. And the whole reason you take a quarterback high is in part. Let's be honest, it's because it's fun to have a great quarterback in your team. Like if you took Josh Allen this year, you're thrilled every week to have Josh Allen. It's awesome. And then when you take Lamar, Jane, Daniels and then they suck and are hurt. You're like, man, like I don't even like fantasy football anymore. Yeah. The only reason why it's probably not Jane is because he got hurt in week two. So he missed week three and four and then was kind of in and out the rest of the season. You could have made other plans that you could have added Trevor Lawrence in week three. Even Mario. Yeah. Right. So I agree. I think it is Lamar Jackson is the LVP. Congratulations, Lamar. Please celebrate. Okay. The next category here that we are stealing from the rewatchables is what's aged the best on the season takes in narratives that have aged the best this year. Hyphens. Do you want to start? Yeah, sure. I mean, you want my big winner or you want to give us some of your favorites. My favorites. I think. Honestly, the coaching hype cycle. I think we always look at high coaches, but Ben Johnson was his hype to coach candidate. I would say since Josh McDaniels with the Broncos 15 years ago delivered Liam Cohn to Jaguars. We heard so much about him delivered Mike Vrable, who I said was one of the best coaching candidates in years and delivered and that hype cycle delivered in real life. And all those teams are going to make the playoffs win divisions and then fantasy to like Travis Etienne, Deandre Swift, as you had believed in these guys and what they said they would do that you basically would have done really well. Christian Watson's ACL recovery aged really well, like one in 13 years, I would say since Peterson. The Cowboys trading for George Pickens. Sure. Vic aged really well. Well, I don't know. Did it because they're missing the playoffs. It was cool. It was kind of he made them more fun. It got people talking, which is what Jerry's cares about playoffs. Yeah, yeah. The I would say that what age well as the Giants trading up for Jackson Dart and the Saints taking Tyler Schuck. Oh, sure. And age really well. I mean, yeah. Yeah. You know, the Browns, the Steelers, the Cardinals, the Dolphins all didn't take those guys. Yeah. And I think the Giants and Saints getting them worked out well. I would say we other things that age well. I think Ben Johnson turning down the Washington job. Two years ago. Uh huh. Like that looks really bad when Washington almost made the Super Bowl and now you're like, OK, that might have been smart. However, I think also I just think Joe Flacco aged well. Did you guys see the clip going around that somebody asked, did Joe Flacco freeze and there was like a video? Watching the screen. That was so funny. He's just sitting there like he's got one of the best quotes of the year that we'll get to. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Can I give you my number one? What age the best though? And I don't think it's no offense to what you guys have. I think it's not even close. What's the age the best? OK, the number one thing that aged the best in this season is that random Steelers fans Seth Rouribaud tweeted after the Buffalo beat the Bills or Steelers, the Buffalo beat the Steelers 26 to 7 and they ran for like a record 230 yards against them. Yeah. With neither starting tackle, the Bills ran for the most yards in the Steelers stadium in 50 years. And then Seth Rouribaud tweeted, Mike Talman, it's going to say something like we can't eat soup with forks. We need spoons. Then the Steelers will sign a 2018 Pro Bowler to the practice squad. And one day later, they signed Adam Thieler, who was in fact a Pro Bowler in 2018. And Talman, Talman said some weird like Maxim too. I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was like awkward. He's got a lot of bangers. He one came out today that Brooke Pryor, who's a great Steelers reporter tweeted out. This is what Talman said today. And I was like, God, this guy's just where does he find these? This is Mike Talman on not dwelling about frustration of not clenching the AFC North last week. This is what he said. My windshield is bigger than my rear view. Where's he get these? He has like a little calendar that just has pithy. He's a ratatouille under his hat who like comes up with little phrases for him. There's such a funny vandiger in between things like Talman says to justify losses in the NFL and captions on Instagrams by thirst traps by Instagram influencers and models. Like they kind of have the same energy when like Talman should write the art that goes in airbnbs that hangs on the wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would crush those. My windshield is bigger than my rear view. They're my rear view. It's like, well, maybe the rear view should be a little bit bigger because you just lost the fucking Browns. Okay. Maybe you figure out why that happened. Think about it at least. Yeah. He just like ran over a deer on the road and he's like, well, my my windshield is bigger than my rear view. Okay. DK, what do you have for what's the best? I think hating on slash fading Sean Payton players ended up being pretty good. The J.K. Dobbins R.J. Harvey split was a nightmare for most of the season for you. You know, Coral and Sutton, I don't think I had anything against Coral and Sutton. He was always going to be kind of the guy for them and he did fine. That's not like he won you your league, but he was a fine player. But like if you look at Troy Franklin, Pat Bryant, Marvin Mims all played less than 60% of snaps. In fact, Bryant and Mims played less than 50% of snaps. It was a rotation. They tried they got went and got little Jordan Humphrey, which almost gave a high fits in an aneurysm. Oh my God. So yeah, I think that in general is I'm just going to continue on that track. I mean, obviously, bow next to dwell this year in fantasy, but I'm out on almost all Broncos scale players when I absolutely unless they absolutely cannot be the Trayvon Henderson, small letter bullying, aged well. I think his jersey is somewhat normal now. I haven't looked at it lately, but I think it's back to sort of normal. They did a bunch of features on this. People were all tweeting at us the other day because like they did like this whole feature at I think the we caused that. You think we caused that? I think we were part of it. Well, it's funny. They were like, look, there's two players on the page. It's where this it's Stefan Diggs and Trayvon Henderson. What they left out is yeah, because they're really small. Yeah. I mean, the other thing that I think age well is being a hate and ass hater about Scott Hansen Craig. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to the dark side, my friend or the light side, depending on how you look at it. And we had to Las Vegas where Jackson Dart is is darting his way to the number one pick. All right. Feels good to be not on that island anymore. It was just Austin and I and but now we're getting some people they're joining. It's a grassroots movement. Yeah. Here's what I have for what's age the best this year. The Jaden Daniels Washington commanders regression production. Oh my God. I mean, my goodness, Jaden Daniels heard all year. The commanders win four games. They have the seventh pick in the draft. It looks like dude, I was looking. I was looking at some offseason grades from the offseason and the commanders were like up there in terms of like people thought that was like a great offseason for them. My God. Well, you know, it's funny. It was a great offseason for them because they traded for left tackle. They drafted a tackle. They did the right things. They just relied on all these old guys. They'd signed the previous offseason and they were all healthy last year and then this year they all got hurt. Yeah. I also have the the Saquan regression narrative after all of his touches. All that stuff kind of not that it was his fault, but just high fits is like I've been saying it for 10 years. That aged well. I would say us questioning if Marvin Harrison Jr. is actually good aged quite well. I also had the new coaching hires with high fits. I also have the narrative. Well, the Bears fixed their offensive line in the offseason. That actually aged pretty well. Usually that's the biggest red herring. But not this time. Team signs literally any offensive lineman and everyone's like, well, the Bears fixed their offensive line. This is the new Adrian Peterson Tours ACL and then came back and had his best season ever. Now everyone's going to be like, hey, they signed the line. Remember when the Bears signed all those linemen and it's not going to work again for 10 years. The only other ones I had were the first picks. The first three picks of the 20-24 NFL draft. I guess I was in Jame, but Caleb and Drake May aged very well. Jerry Jones trading away Michael Parsons before he Tours ACL. What did he know? That aged really well. That aged really well. And then I want to toot our own horns. I was looking at our predictions over the offseason in the summer in August. Dude, we did an episode in August, our do not draft list. Hot damn. Let me read the guys that we recommended you not draft this year. Baker Mayfield, DK Metcalf, Caleb Johnson, Terry McLaurin, Mark Andrews, Kenneth Walker, David Montgomery, Joe Mixon and Chris Olave, who ended up being all right. But we literally went like nine for 10 on that list. And we rectified it with we had Chris Olave as it by located immediately. So that one we will say the, yeah, you guys ever seen super troopers where he's like, how's your aim? This how's your aim this morning for any or whatever he's in? He's like, there's like a one in like the neck of the, the whatever. And he's like, that little guy, don't worry about that little guy. That's that's Olave here. I will say in my defense, that was me. And it was more just about it was about the concussion. You didn't say that everyone would have assumed it was me. It was about the concussions. I was worried about him playing. Our thing was a lot of it's not fun to watch, which remains true because he gets hit, but he was great. He was I will say, though, this list, I, I think we're as good as anyone is admitting when we're wrong, which is a lot. I have to say, though, I did pull this up and I'm looking at my notes right now from Caleb Johnson. And I actually did write down, I just don't think this guy's going to play. Which will make it tough. Arthur Smith, baby. Frickin Kenneth Gainwale, Gainwale, one of the more like valuable pickups late in the year. Caleb Johnson had 69 rushing yards this year and one fumble in a Cape return. Let's move. So wait, do we do we want to give a winner? You want to do it's got to be Seth Rorobos tweet. Right. It's literally the fact that he predicted the signing of 2018 Pro Bowler and unbelievable. Can we get this guy to help us with some of our ringer 107 stuff? Dude, that guy, that guy's got it. All right, let's move on to what's aged the worst. DK, we'll start with you. What do you have for what's aged the worst? Us defending the tush push over the off season and saying we we want it. We want saying man up. It's you're being a pussy if you vote against this. Yeah, right. That's that's why you do it. I think I don't think anything. No one turned on anything as much as the tush push this off or the season. It's boring to watch. It's annoying to watch. They can't they can't officiate it correctly. It's going to get outlawed. Once we once the fall start thing was exposed. I think that was the nail in the coffin that cost everybody to flip on the push push. That was the now that's exceed us in fucked up moment. It's like, all right, now they're actually cheating because they're just false starting every fucking play. What else is aged the worst? The Jags treating to first and change for a guy who's just OK at corner and wide receiver slash, a.k.a. Expensive Wanda Robinson. That sounded that felt like a very like mean thing to say at the beginning of the year about Hunter, but now I'm like, one day I had a thousand yards. Wanda Robinson, the shortest receiver to ever have one thousand yards. One day we're obviously kind of good. I mean, now I'm like the Jags traded up to get Travis Hunter when all they needed was to send a fourth round pick for Jacoby Myers. Seriously, I got to tell you as the probably little number two biggest Travis Hunter fan after Dion Sanders in America. I got to tell you going into next year. It is absolutely insane to think that the Jaguar's offense when they have a three receivers on the field have to pay Jacoby Myers like he's they paid him. He's going to start. They have to play to Brian Thomas and the fact that they would take Parker Washington off the field is ridiculous. Like Travis Hunter is the fourth receiver on that team. They're going they're going to take Parker Washington off the field for Travis Hunter and it might make them worse. It will. And it's like just play in a cornerback and then like if someone gets hurt then moving to receiver like that's the right move. I mean, obviously it's great that the Jags are doing so well this year because the first round that they have to give up next year is not very high. So that's good. Let's see a couple other things that aged poorly worrying about Matt Stafford. Thank God the Falcon to me the playoffs too because the big guy to get the Rams is able to get high. We'll get to that. I feel like that's the only reason why they're still trying so hard right now. Well, they had to beat the Rams. They were playing all their starters. Age the worst worrying about Matt Stafford going into the Silver Airstream parked outside the practice facility turns out he's fine. It made me feel better on Monday Night Football where they were like every now and then the little pregame production meetings they do have insight and they were like Matt Stafford admitted to me. Trey Ackman was like he was like if you could tell me I'd feel this good at this point in the season is like I would never believe you. I'm like OK, that makes me feel better. Thinking me myself thinking Pete Carroll would make the Raiders better has aged horrifically poorly. The hit piece on Caleb Williams. Clevee had dyslexia. That did not age well. Choosing this is kind of related to that choosing J.G. McCarthy over Caleb Williams after week one when Craig asked me who I'd rather have. I need to I need to stick to my guns. Craig, don't let me fucking waffle. All right. All right. That's the Colts trading two future ones than promptly imploding worse than almost any team we've ever seen. So Carter went one in seven on two different teams. Dude, brutal. This one's a small one, but that two week period when we thought the Cowboys were actually kind of good to not age well. Those are all good. Hi Fitz, what do you have? I think those are all really good. I think that we have to I mean Anthony Richardson excitement in this like any thoughts of Anthony Richardson doing anything in the NFL is age very poorly. Raven's being Super Bowl favorites. Man. I topped here though right with that article about Caleb Williams being unworkable is I think the idea that Tom Brady's pre-production meetings with teams was giving the Raiders an unfair advantage. Oh, yeah. That's a good one. I don't get a callback. I forgot about that. I don't think anything has aged worse than that. If you said that now it would be the dumbest thing you could possibly say if I'd say if that idea was just people be like actually let them do that they need it. They need all the help they can get. However, I don't know if anything's actually aged worse other than that then I mean the Vikings taking JJ McCarthy over Bonix is something we're going to have to start talking about. Bonix the third most touchdown passes through two seasons of any quarterback ever. That's a good one. That's a really good one. And sorry. Lastly here, JJ McCarthy's alter ego. Nine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That one should have just kept that one in the holster when nine comes out when nine comes out. Save that for like year four. Yeah, you need to wait on the nickname. Can't come too quick. Those are all really good. I have a bunch of the ones you guys have the Falcons trade the Jags trading up for Travis Hunter the Tyler Dunn article taking Ashton Gentys six overall in real life and fantasy drafts brutal pretty brutal. And then I think UNC's opening drive against TCU to score touchdown to go up seven zero in that moment what you would have predicted for the Bill Bell and sectarian's after that did not age great. So do you think do you think the real answer here what age the worst is just Bill Bell? Well, Bill Bell checks legacy Bill Bell checks body. Actually probably going early. He's probably actually doing well body wise right now. Well, he's doing great body wise for guys his age. He's doing fine. His body is bodies. It's the best it's been in years. Probably ways. I think Bell check is on the shortlist for loser. Oh, we'll get to that. I think it's gotta be. I think there's a couple. I think DK taking JJ McCarthy over Caleb is a leading candidate. I think that is like the classic example of recency bias. I love making DK commit to shit after week one. I think the hit piece on Caleb being dyslexic and basically being unfixable. It was more than that. It was that Caleb Williams is a diva first NIL generation like unworkable diva superstar like and like you can't his shit doesn't smell. He's he'll never be a guy. Is there a chance though that all that was like kind of true, but Ben Johnson just sent him to fucking boot camp and it fixed him. I think there was shades of truth in all of that stuff. I don't know about the dyslexia thing obviously, but like in terms of how horribly everything went in year one and how we can't just say it was all the coaching like fall. It was clearly partly on Caleb Williams himself too. I think all that is true, but also. Yeah, it just did not age. Did not age well. The dyslexia thing isn't the point like to be clear it wasn't the even the coaches and again to be clear is like 30 anonymous coaches all talking about or you know, guys who have been fired from the Bears because of Caleb and axe the grind, but it was a lot. It was an unusually large amount of people talking about the guy and even that one that wasn't about Caleb. That was about the GM allegedly not telling the coaches that Caleb had been diagnosed. The coaches didn't give a shit about if Caleb did or did not. They were like if he did just tell us so we'll fucking teach him differently, which is actually that's the only thing I think it totally made sense. I think and again, it's ridiculous to kind of like put that stuff out there without confirming it, but I think the thing about that that I'm like embarrassed in retrospect is. Yeah, I do think that like especially the way that Matt Aberfluse and the Cowboys defense went this year like yeah, they clearly had no idea what to do with Caleb like they couldn't help them and so obviously that like they they failed him. I think that's clear. Do you think it kind of aged well that in retrospect now that Ryan polls was like actively not showing his scouts tape of other players in the draft playing well because he wanted Caleb so bad. I'm kind of like maybe Baldor. I don't know the Drake. Well, if the other points Drake may know it's probably mistake. Probably should have had a conversation. Yeah, the MVP. Yeah. Okay. I think that I think all everything kind of around Caleb probably has eight. Okay. Let's get to Dion. The Dion Waders Award another rewatchable is category that we're stealing for the purposes of this show. The Dion Waders Award is the best waiver wire pickup of the season. Yeah. I think there is a consensus answer. I do want to ask I think we think it's probably Michael Wilson the Cardinals ride receiver who took over took over Arizona for the last half of the season. Right. Would we say that? I think Michael Wilson is the best waiver wire pickup in years. One of the best of all time. Expand on that. It's simple. There have been better players because there's been running backs to go on campaigns, but what Michael Wilson did never happens. Like there are there are quarterbacks that like Trevor Lawrence was awesome. To your point, like if Trevor Lawrence was available in your league, you could argue it's Trevor Lawrence because as Craig said, he had like the most points ever in the playoffs. So if Trevor Lawrence was cut and added in your league, sure. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. He was the only one I wanted to point out because I don't even know if he had to be cut then added. He was the QB 20 in drafts. He was probably not drafted. Maybe he wasn't and that's fair. I think the reason I would pick Michael Wilson is what happens with him never happens. There are quarterbacks that are good that you pick up all the time. There are running backs that someone gets hurt and someone has like an incredible season and that happens all the time with like not all the time, but every season or two, there's a great running back tight ends happens. Michael Wilson after week 11, the top receivers in all fantasy football was number one was Pukinakua after week 11. Number two is Jackson Smith and Jigba and then one yard behind Jackson Smith and Jigba. So tied for second place was Michael Wilson for the final two months of the season. Damn. You added a receiver off waivers that was better than every receiver in fantasy football except for Pukinakua. And honestly, he tied Jackson Smith and Jigba. He was point one points behind in Jigba. So they had tied. You added Jackson Smith and Jigba off waivers. That is what you got with Michael Wilson. That's like never happened. This is not the point of this show, but man, I can't wait to figure out what the fuck we're going to talk about Michael Wilson next year. I'm telling you that next year is going to be fucking the wild wild. Where do you rank him? Yeah, it was a perfect confidence of like the Cardinals were the most intro team in the NFL this year quietly and then they had no running game. And so they had to throw and they were losing everything because the defense sucks. So Jicobi reset set the record. I think they have the most completions in a four week stretch and you had the most completions in a game ever. 49. Yeah. You like 160 completions in a four week span. So there's the PPR of it. Michael and but Michael Wilson is getting 180 yards of pop. I think it has to be Michael Wilson. I have a question. This is going to sound really, really obvious. But I don't know for sure if it's actually going to happen or not. Maybe this is just people just hanging on hanging on to like pre draft stuff. But like is Michael Wilson for sure going to be ranked ahead of Marvin Harrison next year? I think he has to be. But I don't know if I were how I would take him because the Cardinals offense is going to be weird. I don't know how you could watch the season and think of Marvin Harrison Jr.'s anything other than like a cheeky by low. But just also sorry, just to expand the point here, Michael Wilson, that list you mentioned earlier for the MVP thing, this Yahoo list of the players most commonly found a championship winning teams, number one, Spijon 27 percent, number two is McCaffrey 26 percent, Puka's third 24, Michael Wilson is fifth and 23 percent. I mean, I think that solidifies him as the best pickup. Yeah. He is the beyond waiters. I would say honorable mentions are guys who had hot stretches, but it didn't sustain Rico Dowdle for a while. There was a was a sensation. My boy Rico Woody Marks had a productive year. Kenneth Gainwell was really good despite not being drafted. I'm going to throw out guys like common guy Jackson Dart was had six games scoring over 20 points this year. He was incredible for stretches. Harold Fanon Jr. Was the Titan five on the year. He was kind of like a Titan savior at the end of the year there. Yes. Gadget. I mean, he was completely not drafted. Parker Washington was really good over stretches. And then this guy might not qualify because he was probably drafted, but there's a chance that Givante Williams was not drafted and was added immediately in week one and was fucking great. High fits got him in the last round. Yes. So he he's close, I think. But I and then Trevor Lawrence, like I said, but I do think it has to be Michael Wilson. Yeah. Yeah, agreed. What a bizarre year it's been. Okay. The next award here is the biggest leap award. The player that made the biggest leap from last year to this year. Who did you guys have? Hi Fitz, who did you have? I think in real life and in fantasy, it has to be Drake May. I mean, Drake May might win the MVP this year. Drake May might get the number one seed in the AFC and Drake May was, where did he finish him on quarterbacks this season? Three, two top three. I mean, for all the hyperbole, all we talked about was Drake May like sleeper sleeper. He was probably the number one most popular sleeper in all fantasy this year and he shattered it. I think it has to be the right answer. You guys remember after week one and we were asking each other if Drake May was any good. We lost to the Rayors. May had a horrific week one. He was missing everything and, you know, talking to some of the Patriots beat. It was like the word was he basically was really, really inconsistent and preseason and training camp. They weren't really quite sure what to make of them. So the fact that he came back and had this MVP season, you know, I think that's the obvious answer. I think that is the correct answer. Drake May made an absolutely huge leap. The only other guy I would throw out there is JSA and I know that he had over a thousand yards last year, but I, it just felt like he did a quantum leap in terms of like what he was doing week in and week out, like the ways that he was winning, what he was doing, not just from a statistical point of view, but just very, very impressive route runner hands, catch and run, you know, combat catches, everything that he was doing. I was just like, man, this guy is, he's made an absolutely huge leap. Yes. This is a very tricky category because I think there are a lot of qualified candidates. I think you're right. I mean, if you factor in real life, I guess, I mean, even on fantasy alone, but Drake May is probably going to win the MVP, him going from what he was last year to winning the MVP and being maybe the one seeing the AFCs. Incredible. Yep. JSN though, coming out of nowhere to be a top five receiver in the NFL is so close and then I would also probably just toss in as the bronze medalist. I mean, Caleb Williams going from maybe one of the worst busts in a long time at the first overall pitch is just like a guy that we think could like realistically win multiple Super Bowls. I don't think that's even close because Caleb, I agree. We, I don't think he was going to win the MVP. He is going to win the MVP. Yeah, I just, as bad as Caleb was last year, I think it was obvious like they fired the entire staff, like there are plenty of rookies have bad years. If Caleb had had a bad second year, it'd be one thing, but I think you could make the case for Drake though too, right? I mean, a lot of people were like, oh, if you actually watched Drake last year, he's really good. Like don't worry, he is really good in that and that was correct. He didn't go from disaster to great. He went from, man, we think under the hood, everything looks really good. We were correct. The difference to me is just Caleb is going to win or Drake may probably ends up as the MVP and Ben Johnson said in November that we're winning despite our passing game. Yeah, no, I agree. But I, that's why I think he's bronze medalist or maybe a little bit below that, but it's got to be Drake. Congrats to Bill. Um, okay. I got a Patriots fans really deserve it. You know what's so over is the five year reprieve we had from just Patriots dominance. Yeah, that was fun. That was great. From 22,000 to 2040, we got five years off at a total. If you could pick a team right now to just buy stock in for the next 10 years, are the Patriots number one? I think they have to be. And I would say for this reason, things come and go. Mike Vrabel is the, I think the best coach in the NFL is not going anywhere. And Josh McDaniels, who is the coordinator and key to it, the Patriots have what the chiefs had in that. The chiefs had this weird infrastructure where he meets the coach and play caller, so they're not going to lose the offense. These bag Nola was still old that no one hired him to run the defense. Patriots have that too. Cause no one's going to hire Josh McDaniels to be the head coach. So they're going to keep them. And so that's why I think I would pick the Patriots. You have Vrabel, Drake, May and Josh McDaniels and they're not going to lose any of those guys. I'm looking at their other teams. Craig, I don't know if you can make an argument for any other team right now. That's wild. There's so many question marks with a lot of these teams. Let's say, what about this? What if I pose it this way? Who do you think if you had to bet who wins the most Super Bowls over the next 10 years, is it still New England? No, or you can take the chiefs. I would take, I hate to say this. You said 20 years. 10. I actually would take the Patriots just because I believe so much in Mike Vrabel and the coaching staff there and Drake May. DK, would you take the Patriots to win more Super Bowls than the Homes over the next 10 years? Probably not. I don't think I would either. No. You're betting on the chiefs? I got to tell you guys, I'm cool. Your lack of faith in the chiefs is going to age very poorly. I think. Is it? I mean, so, but here's the thing. Can I counter this? You're saying Mahomes is Michael Jordan. Because the idea that he's going to win three more, they're like, okay, like he's, he's, they, they're going to come back and hit me healthy. Cause I think the flip side is like, how sorry, how old is Andy Reid? Like I'm just saying Andy Reid's 67. So if you don't think he's going to win next year with Mahomes, go with the ACL, Andy Reid's 68. How much longer is this going to happen? I don't know. 10 more years. Kansas City was 12th in DVOA this year. I mean, I would say Patrick Mahomes is closer to being the Michael Jordan of football than he is to not. Right. I mean, he's one. Yeah, it's not like a weird thing to say. He's been to five Super Bowls and he's 30. Tom Brady had like three separate versions of his career. I am not discounting Mahomes. I have questions. It's still a team game. Well, this, this is a nice segue into this next category, which is something that we are bringing in for the first time. This is the it's so over of the year. So this is now that we're at the end of the season, which player fit the it's so over category the most. Here are some nominees I'll throw at you. Toa. Justin Fields. I think you could stop to count. Holy cow. To Justin Fields, Kyler Murray are my personal three candidates. So I'm going to step. We had something called Stad of the Year later in this or half past internet research and not my favorite, but I have to mention that for Justin Fields, because as if it's not amazing enough to afford different games, you didn't hit 55 passing years through the first nine games of those seasons. Blake Horvath, the quarterback at Navy had more passing yards than Justin Fields. And then he's nine starts this season. Classic. I think it's I think it's to a. Yeah, I think it's to it is so over. I don't I don't. I don't feel like I think Kyler Murray, there's still probably someone that believes in him and try and make him a starter again. I don't think anyone's going to want to take on the to a thing at this point. But the irony is, but then he's so back because I love to play for the Dolphins like the Dolphins. I mean, we talked about this. We don't have to go on all the cap stuff because we're not going to. We're not going to. He's not going to be. The long term starter. Oh my God, I just forget attitude is going to play for. Don't tell me. Guess. I just figured out a team that wanted better options. Cardinals. Raiders. Don't know it. Who's it going to be? Jets. Yes. No, we're going to cut him. The Dolphins are going to cut him. The Dolphins are going to cut him and that's one of a better option because if the Jets don't get for Nadum and does, we'll see what quarterbacks come out. But if none of the other quarterbacks come out, who's good? Who did you if the only thing to pay him a million dollars? Who are they going to have better than Tilla? The Jets getting to is like Thanos putting on the final run. But but in the worst case scenario of like and it all fall as far as the potential to go as badly as anything's ever gone. Any of the Kyler to the ultimate jet. I will. The only other person I'd say for so over is should we have the chiefs to wrap up what we were just saying? I mean, this is the chief says we know them are so over like the when you close your mind, you think of the chiefs this era to start to Taylor Swift it. But like it's the first half of it's like the Tyree kill chiefs. Like fuck it Tyree down there somewhere. Kelsey. It's amazing. But then they still morphed into this like, okay, it's not as exciting anymore, but the dink and dunk during the Superbowl every year, they're anytime Kelsey cuts catches the ball. They cut to Taylor Swift. And it's like this is something I hate to say. It's as memorable and indelible an image of any team we've seen with our eyes so far. I think they're more way more memorable than any of these Patriots teams like this era of the chiefs because Taylor Swift because of the star power cut. It's like Kelsey's gonna retire. Taylor's just not gonna be these games anymore. The way we remember the chiefs when my home comes back, it's gonna be like the homes in Marquis Brown and Noah Gray. Like it's not it's not the same. I agree that that this era or this chapter, whatever you want to call it of the chiefs is over Travis's version. Hyvids. Did you watch the Taylor Swift era's tour six part documentary on Disney Plus? I watched the era's tour when they put the Star Power on the Star Power. I mean, I think they're like, I think they're like, I think they're like, I've watched the era's tour when they put on Disney Plus like a year ago. I have not watched the six part. Although I did see shot up Michael A. Jr. who noted that the pianist or Taylor Swift. Tour person who plays the piano is like someone named Michelle De Piano. I was like, what? Nominative determinism. It was. Wait. I got to look it up. She was born in the piano. Her name is Carina De Piano. She's from the piano policy of piano. Yeah, I read a dead piano plays piano Everyone's like Taylor Swift business expert. She's looking at the resume. She's like I'll take yeah. Yeah, that makes sense I watched half of it It's it's I learned nothing about her. It's incredibly manicured and it's a decent watch And it's decent You're gonna say it was garbage, but okay It's like you're you're entertaining entire time, but it's it's so crafted by her Someone described it to me as in the middle of it. They realized a wow we need to be filming this It's how it was described to me Yeah, I feel like you're filming it the entire time Taylor Swift doesn't Is ahead of all that stuff? Okay? Well, I don't know. I didn't I think it's fine It's too. I think it's too. He is too. He is the most over You know, I was going over some of the old docs in preparation for the show and the it's the to a state solution When oh my god, I'm out fucking going to play in Jerusalem of all I had that for quote of the year I had that for quote of the year. That was a comment to was like yeah They're like you could play anywhere and he's like I would love to play in Jerusalem And there's a pause and someone just commented to a state solution. Yeah Okay, this inevitably brings us to the we're so back of the year I McAfrey yes big time. I mean Jesus. Yeah Sean Payton His back is pretty backlash the playoffs with a third of the team in dead cap. Yeah the Patriots. Yeah Fucking unfortunately. Yes. I Was the Shane bad he a quote Contrary to reports of my demise are greatly exact. Yeah the fucking Patriots a report to my demise are greatly exaggerated Who did you say was Shane bad? It's a famous it's it's I don't know. It's a famous meme There's like that's like one the fight. That's like saying you miss 100% of the shots. You don't take Michael Scott Michael Scott Do you have any other nominees here? Yes Okay, I'd rather rename the award after this person so back of the years Kyle Pitts I mean fuck we are really back with Kyle Pitts. I'm a hundred percent falling You just spent you just spent five minutes talking about how every other tight end is irrelevant and the tight end two might as well Be tight end 20 doesn't fucking matter. He was the number one tight end in December What if he's on the chiefs Craig? He had more fantasy points in a game this year than Kelsey or Grand Cal Ski or Tony Gonzalez ever did wait is he a free agent? He had one We had one good game this entire season it was that's not true He was the number one tight end for week 13 on as soon as I started fucking complaining about him He was incredible it. No, he was not incredible. Look at his stats. He had here's the last half of the season Fine don't look at the last half look at the last five weeks because he's he's better than Trey McBride here in the last five weeks 11 12 40 15 and 2 he was fucking fine except for 40 I feel like I'm taking crazy pills you and DK had interest you kept saying I think how pits is good And I was like no I saw him I dropped one pass too many and I'm like I'm out and then you guys are like he's good I'm hitting here being like yay. He's the number two on this season. He's back and you're like no I think I feel crazy back. I think he's so back. I Don't think he's so back. I think I think he is not more back than bilateral Achilles tendonitis Christian McCaffrey Setting a touch record for his a personal career high and touches being the Arby one of fantasy or the New England Patriots going from one Of the worst teams the last five years to basically just being Tom Brady Patriots again I think those guys are way more back than Kyle Pitts having like how many yards of cow pits have it Craig But you're not thinking about it. You're not thinking about the show lore. I I couldn't disagree more. Yeah, Craig You're here's the thing. I do is Craig though jet like literally McCaffrey's way more no, but he's more back. No, but like Patriots. I McCaffrey, all right fine the Patriots I get McCaffrey After all that, do you know where he was drafted this year like seventh? Do you know where Kyle Pitts was drafted this year like a hundred and forty if he didn't have a career high in yards this year He was like 12th round pit. All right fine. It's this simple Where is Kyle Pitts if he the Falcons franchise tag him where you rank you Kyle Pitts among tight ends next year like nice DK eighth or nine probably like I don't know fifth or fourth fourth Yeah, McBride Ried Bowers kiddlin. He's gonna be pits man if he did not have that one game He would probably be he did though, but he did he had it That's some shit that when I say it you lose your mind I just if he didn't have the best game of tight ends ever had I'm Sitting here right in the middle playing Devils had because I agree with Craig that he's not as back as these other guys But I he is back. Can I throw out another guy though? I actually think do think For the bit of the show he's back. That's what I'm saying. We need to give the award out It is obviously the Patriots. Can I for so back? Yes Can I throw out one other candidate for we're so back? It's so over because the original pitch We have when we when we did this award was it's about the combination of it's so over. We're so back It's so over. We're so back like Trevon Henderson. It's so over there We're so back the actual person who captured both of these this year is Jalen Hertz Because Jalen Hertz went Jalen Hertz won Super Bowl MVP and it was the most back Anyone's been back and then he the Eagles fans were obnoxious and they were like, how dare you also mention that we have the most talented roster We've ever seen without saying dare you how dare you not say Jalen Hertz is a top eight quarterback How dare you and then we were like got bullied and then Jalen and then within ten months later Jalen Hertz is Turning the ball over twice at one play and Eagles fans are openly yelling for Tanner McKee at half-time in After like on Black Friday Eagles fans are screaming for Tanner McKee in the stands ten months after he won Super Bowl MVP MVP for their fucking team I would argue going back to Jalen Hertz in college between like him winning being the first freshman to play for DeX Saban Being benched to a replacing him coming back in beating Georgia I would argue Jalen Hertz is the most it's so over we're so back player in the history of fucking modern football No one has been over and back more than Jalen Hertz. I like this. I almost think this needs to be it There needs to be it's so over of the year Which is to the we're so back of the year which we're still arguing Patriots and then the it's so over and we're so back of the year is Jalen Hertz Yes, or the Steelers or this or it's the fucking Steelers. It's Mike Tomlin It's my time when Jalen Hertz fighting it out literally it was like a weekly thing Craig is either completely in Rogers is the God. He's making every throw to God. I fucking hate this team. They suck. Let's fire Tomlin And to be honest with you like every single one was not perform it. I know it was Genuine I Should say one more button on Kyle Pitts. This is just hilarious The so this is now Kyle Pitts is a one two three four fifth season the NFL season a rookie year one touchdown Next year two You're three. He had three you're four. He had four and this year gets so many touchdowns. He has five five Unbelievable I have a wild guess for next year He's gonna get franchised and he'll be back He's going back. You know what? Cousins is gonna be throwing him passes and he's gonna be a top five time. Let's tag him Yeah, they'll tag him. Yeah, they're gonna tag him now for a special segment of today's episode Smarter moves presented by Chime here to help you bank smarter this season Chimes got smarter moves for your money And we've got smarter moves in your league So boys wanted to do another award here presented by Chime and I wanted to ask you smarter moves for next season basically Who is the guy? That next year you had such fun watching this player and having him on your team that you're like I have to have this guy next year even if I frankly have to like pay in a rational amount For me, it's it's Jackson Smith and jigba who I just I know it's DK CLC Hawks But I kind of just kind of randomly drafted in this year thinking ah screw it I'll throw a dart at JSN and see if that works out and my goodness. I fell in love with this man there's something so comforting about a Team whose entire game plan is just centered around Getting this one player the ball like the Seahawks can only Operate if JSN has 10 catches in a game and there's just something so comforting about that It's like the opposite of you watch like Jameson Williams or something on the Lions And it's like the Lions could put up 40 and Jameson Williams could have zero catches and it like might work out Right game plan dependent like JSN is the Sun for Seattle and I just love watching that every week and he's he's so he's so great Yeah, the first guy that came to my mind also was JSN if I'm gonna do someone else I do feel like this is a little bit like playing whack-a-mole because the Patriots are gonna have so much harder Schedule next year, but I just I didn't have any Drake May this year And I'm I have so much FOMO from not being a part of that whole thing just watching him like run around score rushing touchdowns Hit big plays. I just I'm gonna do everything I can to get as much Drake May as I can next year It's probably gonna go horribly, but you know, that's that's like what I did with Jane Daniels this year and didn't go great But I just absolutely love Drake May. I hate to say it about a Patriot, but I think you're right I think the guy for me and I just decided this and I'm being a prisoner the moment. I don't care It's Derek Henry. Oh, yeah, and let me tell you something Everyone's gonna talk about how he's 32 and the Ravens look bad last year and what's gonna happen. I don't care The classic high-fives thing actually care Tommy Lee Jones, I don't oh my god the fugitive is like I didn't kill my wife. I don't care That's actually great. We should do it. I don't care episode. It's it's we read stats to one another and then I just go He's gonna be the oldest running back in NFL history. I don't care No, but I really I Derek Henry I you know what at some point just like stop worrying and learn to love the Indestructible running back who gets better as everyone else gets worse and healthier as everyone else gets injured I want not to brag but I won the Steinstein league that I'm in with you guys and DK and your friends and shout out Nate Tyson Sean you and all these people and I won and I won it the margin is almost exactly just what Derek Henry scored I know I looked that up last night high fits. I I got second in the league So just watching Derek Henry not only run rough shot over my winnings I had to lose those winnings to high fits. It was a dark dark moment for me It was tough and then I lost by 36. I think Derek Henry scored 41 or something like that See DK, that's why the key is to be nestled in mediocrity like myself You just don't care Atlanta Falcons Yeah, I'm just playing a different sport than you guys We didn't talk with us in the Sunday show my favorite part of the Derek Henry Packers game was actually not with a Derek Henry running It was the last carry at like 192 yards and they it was like third down They just decided you know what instead of kneeling the ball that win the game We're just gonna give them one more play and they called it the someone called the timeout and they cut the camera to the sideline it's Lamar Jackson who's out and DeAndre Hopkins and they're just sitting there laughing and pointing and like the play calls in and they just are sitting there like Dude, he's gonna get it and like you could read their lips. They're like, he's gonna get it He's good like and then they just do the toss and Derek had a run for 40 yard touchdown They cut back to new Hopkins a little more than freaking out and I'm like they're like incredible players MVP's young job and since like the most receiving yards and they're just sitting like they can't believe They get to watch Derek Henry be teammates with them. I want him on my team next year. I don't care I do love Derek Henry You know how there's like haptics on your phone when you can send like a text that does like a shake or Like lasers and like your phone like vibrates. That's what it feels like every time Derek Henry runs It feels like the world is shaking a little bit like an amber alert right like God damn it every time he touched the football in that game. I was just like, oh god, don't just fucking tackle him Why is it so hard? I mean, I know why it's hard, but yeah, that's that was brutal All right, that's it for this week's edition of smarter moves But remember if you want to make your smartest move yet switch to chime Chime is a financial technology company not a bank banking services provided by the bank or bank NA or Stride Bank NA members FDIC learn more at chime.com Okay, the next category here is the Ruffalo Hanna Rubenek Partridge overacting award for our purposes that is Who is fool's gold who had the crazy over-the-top plays this year, but isn't actually good Hold on Craig for the rewatchables when you get to this category you play a montage. Can you just do your impression? I know I was actually going to ask Yes, they knew first wait, I want to ask you guys I'll Venmo either of you $10 right now if you can tell me which four movies these characters are in well spotlights the first one, right? Correct mark Ruffalo. They knew and then also some of these are tricky because Ruffalo is the name of the actor But Hanna is the name of the character Hannah is the heat when he's like give me all you got is it correct? Which actually is insane Vincent Hanna played by Al Pacino your two for two. I Don't know. Rubenek was that Rubenek is Saul Rubenek, which is a character in true romance. Oh And he goes you stab me in the heart I treated you like a son And then do you know Partridge you know what that is a bird It's Linda Partridge from the movie Magnolia Played by Julianne Morris. She goes, don't you call me lady? I Come in here Craig do you have any do you have any as long as we're talking about this? Do you have any Other movie like very famous lines that you're just like that was too much Yeah, you would add to this list there's I do remember have you seen the movie Cape Fear? It's a Scorsese movie very long time ago. There's a Nick Nolte Jessica Lang scene That is just out of control that I would that that would have been my fifth nomination You know what I you know what I've always thought for some reason is And I think it was in the dark night. It was the one with Bane what what which version of night rises dark night rises And it was the guy who played little finger I don't remember the actor's name and he's like in the plane and he's like yelling the whole scene I was like, what is this guy's deal? Is this is he supposed to be a good actor? I thought he was a good actor He's like what I hit like I can't remember all these lines, but he was just like yelling the whole time I was like this acting is really weird Christopher Nolan said that I at least at the time He said that was like his favorite scene He's ever shot which I think is so funny because he was so obsessed with the dynamics of how do you get a plane? Underneath the plane and shoot it that I was like he didn't read the fucking dialogue Which is the dumbest shit ever the movie starts with baby like why would you shoot the man and Throw him off a plane and I'm like why would you shoot a man and throw him off the plane? Why does the movie start this way? That's the dumbest thing a person would ever do that whole scene is It's ridiculous. You know the meme of like they expect one of us in the wreckage Have you seen like the new meme about that with the Odyssey? Yes? It says they expect none of us in the horse It's so good. It's so good Okay, anyway, let's get to it. So like I said this is for our purposes This is the the fool's gold player of the air the guy who had the over-the-top place scored a lot of fantasy points But we know they're not actually good. I think this has got a Joe flacco. Yeah Yeah, there's one while it lasted has he won this like three years in a row. Yes, like we have to just name We have to add flack out. It's the it's the ruffle hand of Rubenick Park. It's flackle ward He's the Nicholas Cage of the NFL Just being ridiculous characters in movies and doing it over and over and over It's so funny because I think when people look back at the the Bengals Trading Joe that you're the Browns trading Joe flacco to the Bengals and people will look back and like well Joe flacco He ended up winning like we went one and five so that didn't work didn't matter But you look at the games and you're like Joe flacco averaged 33 points a game in his first four games like he came back you played the Packers have been there three days and he go Well the next three games he scored 113 points in a three game span Mike Tomlin has every right to be fucking pissed about this trade because there's a very real chance that if the Steelers lose to the Ravens this week and not make the playoffs It's because Joe flacco got traded to the Bengals and beat the Steelers in a 39 to 38 shootout That if it was Jake Browning the Steelers would have probably won in this game this weekend would have not mattered So what are you saying is maybe Andrew Berry is smarter than my Should have beat shots beat the freaking Bengals then the Steelers losing to the Browns in Week 17 and then Luke not winning the division because they lost to the Bengals earlier would actually be incredible But yeah, it's like oh, okay. Well, I think the only other guy that you could include here is Jacobi Bressette who Mm-hmm. I mean just from a fantasy point of view love him. He did great He made he made Trey McBride one of the most valuable pieces in fantasy He made Michael Wilson one of the most valuable pickups in fantasy. He was amazing and actually I started joke Jacobi Bressette after had injuries at quarterback in a bunch of different leagues He kind of flamed out at the end there and really didn't give you what you were hoping in the playoffs But I think from a fantasy point of view. He was awesome. He was I don't think he's very good Like he's not actually that good of a quarterback, but he puts up numbers. They pass a ton He was one in ten as a starter this year though Dude, he had all time garbage time stat like one intent to jacobi Bressette's 15th and passing yards this season He played 11 games Like that's crazy. I mean, it's flak oh because the highs were higher, but jacobi Bressette. I believe Not his first nine games his first eight games as a starter He had between 19 and 24 fantasy points like he was rock solid He was Craig from week six when he became a starter to week 15 So like basically not the playoffs. He was the QB for in that tray McBride is the number one tight end because of again Maybe it's Bressette, but that's again That's stat of Trey McBride the gap between him and number two cowl pits is bigger than the gap between pits and like number 30 Whoever that would K dot and K dot and that's because of Bressette Because Trey McBride had more touchdowns in a month with Bressette that he did in three years with Kyler And then the other thing is Michael Wilson taught it's like you picked Jackson Smith and jibb off waivers in week 10 That's jacobi Bressette wild and they won one game. Maybe it's Bressette Well, the other one is we have to have a fill rivers which they didn't win any games or anything And it wasn't great for fantasy, but I don't know what this is sure was funny though I don't know what a war we're giving for others, but It's the make-a-wish foundation Make a wish for old retired guys in the best crises who just need health care that's my unanswerable question of Was just how much money would the out-of-pocket cost for fill rivers is 11 kids health care have been if he had like $12,000 a month he gets it for another five years now. Is that what it is five-year class? That's like worth a lot of much. That's why I'm so it's it's worth like a cool mill right there I Love that he's not playing this week because like the Colts are out of playoff contention. There's just something funny about that He's like, I'm good. See you later Well, I'm gonna go Fades into like light Into the cornfields like field of dreams. Yeah, exactly So wait, is it is it flackle or is it brisette? I kind of think it's brisette. I Don't know what this award means if it's to like over actor I think it's brisette because he might end up being the starter for the for the Cardinals next year They say move on from Kyler and I don't think he like really helps them Win I mean, I do think he's probably makes them a little bit better That's not it's about though Like he was the QB4 for half of that fantasy football season and he's not that good That's it. I there you go cut Chico be preset in our dynasty league because I was like even cuz again He was soaked your ever set was so bad a page a year ago in the Patriots that Bill all Bill would talk about was how bad preset wasn't the drink make him in and it was amazing and I remember thinking that even if Kyler gets hurt I don't think preset will be that good and then preset came in and was yeah straight up a top five quarterback Propelling a top three receiver and the number one tight end. Yeah, and this is like a good example And this is why I do this and almost all my leagues is No matter who it is almost no matter who it is I always pick up the quarterbacks that are coming in to like take care of her to take over for injury guys Just because something like this could happen You never know like I you actually never really know with these guys, right? Brissette and Michael Wilson can become the next Joe Burrow and yeah, and I thought I was smart adding Mariota and that Mariota instead of preset and then here I am like an idiot Alright next category here is the quote of the year We did just mention hi But you've compiled a lot of these but Mike Tomlin talking about a Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me about the Joe Flacco trade Definitely is one of them, but do you want to read a couple of these? Let me roll through these So I had so much fun doing this and I want to go through players and then coach We can start with coaches actually but the coach quotes are so funny to me So Tomlin having the yeah, Andrew Berry must be smarter than me because that does make a lot of sense I really do love the format format of that comment. He must be a lot smarter than me We should rank people to get a beer with in the NFL Tomlin quietly might be number one Oh, yeah, this ability to just like say shit like that and take a swig that reminds me of hi-fas when we were We were getting stakes in Indianapolis one year and Tomlin was eating Ruth Chris was next door and we went in and we sit down We're next to all the Steelers coaches and then it was that year that they You would have that shit Craig I'm so sad you weren't there because that was the year the NFL Network the timer guy retired who had done the timer on the broadcast for 20 years. Yes, I retired and there was a new guy everyone was running for once We thought Chris a lot of a broke the 40-hour dash record So Mike Tomlin's doing the whole be back like what and they couldn't well sit there like freaking out I mean not with Tomlin, but we are like next to him and they could we were all doing the same We were all the same world. Oh my oh Anyway, yeah one guy Okay, other quotes here the reporter asking Cardinals coach Jonathan Gannon coach When did you learn you had to take the emotion out of coaching and Jonathan Gannon stone face says? 2007 when our quarterback went to jail About Michael Vick, okay, Mike McDaniel and training came saying it's it's a the reporter said good morning He said no, it's a great morning. They're like why he's like because we're another day closer to death It's real really gets that nihilism the Though I were tickled by all the Mike McDaniel to his stuff, but the players stuff I have to shout out AJ Brown saying if you have me and fantasy get rid of me on a live stream And then I went off number five receiving fantasy after he said that yeah unbelievable Also related Breeze Hall a personal favorite of mine after the Jets blue neither Lee said that's the story of our season team shoot themselves in The foot and then we come back and shoot yourselves in the head Maybe the winner here is Isaiah likely saying we ass as fuck yeah yelling yelling that as he's like walking to his car And fans after they lost like we asked his fucking like what he's like we Sorry, they didn't hear me hold on we as as fuck And then they were like what again he's like this shit is Fucks like you think what is it back to the future is yelling in the phone. He's like get a load of this Where is my super suit I'm incredible We as as fuck Joe flacco saying I used to see guys sitting at the bar by themselves eating and I used to feel so bad for them And now I realized that dude was in heaven God, I love that That's something you can only save you're over 40 years old. Yeah, that's like a rite of passage right in life The next two here. I got the sound drop because I thought they were so funny Number what the Browns defensive tackle Shelby Harris after Jawan Jennings the Niners receiver was shit talking Mulee Collins as Mulee Collins was carted off for the Browns and then cam I think has this audio of Shelby Harris talking shit He's a hoe and I want that known like I see why he got punched in the nuts He says some things that you should not say to another man ever But like I don't respect it because you say that didn't run behind your O line That's some real soft shit and I want that known I see exactly why they punched in us. I'm surprised nobody punched him in the Jogget He a hoe I want that known I want that known is I want that known is a good it's a good line We should we should that might have to be a category next Sunday is like I want that no I want that known he says some shit to another man that should never be said ever I See why I got punched. I'm sorry about that specific thing. He a hoe. I want that known I see why I got punched in the nuts. You don't even need context. It's incredible. Yeah, it's great The other one we've never talked about this and I don't know if you guys have seen it So I'm just gonna play it This is Devin McCordy on Mike Florio's podcast a month ago and I think it was Thanksgiving We never talked about this cam will you please play this clip? This is about Devin McCordy's describing Mike Florio Ask Devin McCordy. What's it like inside a scrum whenever it's going for the ball in a fumble? Like what do you have to do to recover a fumble? This was Devin McCordy's answer Here's the protocol. All right balls on the ground you're jumping and you're diving on the ball You're gonna protect every ball. Listen to this. You're gonna jump on the ball Get on the football get in the fetal, but once you get in the fetal close your mouth close your eyes Squeeze your butt cheeks the fetal protects two balls your arms protect another one and close the butt cheeks The bottom of those piles are rough. It is a rough at the bottom of the pile Once again, kind of glad I don't play professional football You know, it's so funny We spend so much time talking about all the stuff and what matters or not And then I saw some clip of like Patrick Sutan has a podcast now and they told me Richard Sherman They were like so what's the secret like what helped you play better and you I'm thinking coverage technique scheme And they're like dude, I was wearing underwear and I was going slow. So I was let it all hang out now started playing way better No underwear below the pants They were saying they're just freeball and like to Ryan Arnold was talking about how he's like rookie year You just got all the equipment and then eventually get older you like nah, I'm just gonna let it fucking hang and then you run faster Interesting Sometimes that's a cop kid. Do you guys sleep in underwear? No. Yeah As opposed to like naked. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, no, I put I wear boxers. Do you sleep naked? No, I don't sleep naked I wear boxer briefs. You were boxer briefs to bed. That's too constricting for me Well, I buy ones that aren't that constricting Okay, that's fair. Well, I was just thinking about this this just reminds me of There's like so much better technology now for in terms of like sport clothes now like under armor and all this stuff that you can wear You know like the tight the whatever it's compression stuff and in my high school like I was wearing boxers under my basketball shorts Back in the day, people wearing boxers in Converse on the basketball court Okay, I'm not that old but yeah Dude the videos of people playing basketball in like the 40s and 50s are so funny like the The basketball skills were horrific dude the whole smush Parker would run circles around Oscar Roberts and think I mean it's like You know those seen from the office where Stanley plays basketball the way you just like that's how they all fucking dribbled Bob Coosies Because they were plumbers and electricians Dude I can't get over the fact that Karim Abdul-Jabbar played well into his early 40s and continued to be good playing like Chuck Taylor's for 25 years Yeah, that's why I did that for a week. I think I would go to the hospital Oh my god Imagine your feet just calloused They were built dip back then Clean seven feet tall for 25 years playing in Converse His feet were just like hard as rocks All right, what are some of the quotes? I think that's I think the winner has to be he's a ho and I want that now I like that I think that has to be the quote of the year. He's a ho. I want that known. I see what you got puns So yeah, he's a ho I want that known We had a create a new one which is also just best announcer moment of the year Sure and Oh, there's some good ones Yeah Craig I'm gonna make you do some of these but Tom Brady there's so many but I decided it was the one where he's like a little juice Which yeah Do we have that QWP? I'm gonna just do it. I want you to do it. It's funnier when you do it. Great. Yeah, so I believe it was the Chargers Planet Commanders and he goes a little juice there For the commander's defense They feel the juice The Chargers do I'm like Yota Once again He's literally Yota He does talk like Yota Yes, he does Craig said that last time I'm like That's so funny They feel the juice the Chargers do He does not know what the next word will be out of his mouth He says they feel the juice and is like I got no how do I clean this up? And then has to go out and then He's speaking with semi-colons Also calling Josh Allen big booty big booty quarterback Josh Allen Remember when he cut what he said piss missile There's almost a good moment Discovering the new There's almost a good moment Discovering that the word absolute was his verbal crutch I really enjoyed it It unlocked a lot for what we're doing here I can't believe you wore one glove Did we get an explanation on that? Did he lose his other glove? I doubt he lost it Honestly, it's probably the mic's cold I don't know he's just super villain The mic is cold He's like I don't like the feeling of cold metal on my skin It burns me It's the last one he's like I'm very sensitive to impure metals Anyway, the other announcer moments here dude Eric Collins just screaming Dowdle Dowdle Look at this Dowdle Still on his feet He speaks with so much more passion than anybody I've ever heard It's he's I honestly want to meet him more than anybody else involved in professional football I want to meet that guy Still on his feet He's great Do we isolate Dowdle Dowdle Have you met that one more time? That sounds like a cat Screeching Screaming into the abyss It's like Bing Bong and uh The guts of a cat burglar Oh my god the guts of a cat burglar Similarly Gus Johnson announcing the Indiana touchdown Sure Oh my god Mendoza In trouble In zone That's that wow Oh my god Unbelievable Unbelievable Giving the eyes of Joby down Oh good call Good call Unbelievable Gus has another one We need to get those two in a room Because they're just fans It's like nuclear fission Who have a microphone Mendoza Under pressure and then he just goes Woo The way he says Mendoza is almost better than Shroud Mendoza Yeah Mendoza Under pressure Dude the way he does it is like the last gasp of oxygen leaving his breath Omar Kuber Can we play that one more time? Can we do that one more time? I have to hear that one more time Mendoza In trouble In zone In zone Omar Kuber Oh my god Giving the eyes of Joby down In trouble Look dick There's moments where he sounds like the famous boxing announcer guy Standing in this corner Oh buffer, Bruce Buffer Yes, he sounds like him a little bit It's Bruce Buffer eating beignets Wasn't there one Super Bowl where I was in a hotel gym next to Bruce Buffer on the treadmill? Maybe, it was probably Michael Buffer His brother who does the fight night stuff Yeah, yeah, yeah Underrated, incredible niche they locked down there Incredible work by them Time Bruce is better than Michael, that's my bad The microphone hanging from the ceiling is like one of the coolest inventions Dude, we should do that for our show, we should hang the mic through the ceiling The mic from the ceiling is sick When you pull it, yeah, that's kind of The Italian stallion Rocky Belboa I love that Wait, Hyphen, are you saying it's time is better, let's get better than let's get ready to rumble? I think it surpassed that, I think Bruce Buffer, well it's like a change of Dalvin Cook situation Like you look up what they do, it's Bruce Buffer's time Can you do it? It's time I mean it is pretty good It is good, but let's get ready to rumble isn't it? Let's get ready to rumble is Ungible Let's get ready to rumble How many times I like played basketball until like let's get ready to rumble It's like a siren in the background Oh god, those guys honestly pretty incredible It's great that the two brothers made their careers out of just like one catchphrase Just sang one line The dream Super smart Alright, let's move on here Wait, what's the winner? What's the winner for an answer moment? Oh Oh, I was, can I just throw on a couple others here just to mention We have to mention Chris Collinsworth saying, you know my dad's name was Abraham Lincoln I gotta say, I think that might win dude, that really made the rounds That is so funny My dad's name is Abraham Lincoln Isn't that how we discovered Buzz Nutter? I think yes it is how we discovered Buzz Nutter The sliding doors moment Craig Oh my god I think I want to give it to Chris Collinsworth You know what, and then because then Tariqo went What? What? He was all of us, what? Abraham Lincoln Collinsworth That was also so great because sometimes they set stuff up like Tom Brady talking about milk And they're like, hey Tom, I heard you also milk in the clock, you milk cows right? And it's obvious, Tariqo so clearly did not know that Yeah, you know my dad How did that never come up before? They've been doing this for like 20 years I'd say on the other side of the coin here like the Al Michaels just mailing it in thing is really funny to me Like I will never now, I will always remember him calling the Rashid Shahid return touchdown against the Rams Rashid Shahid Fields the punt, he's like at the 15 about to score and he says fields the punt Working his way down the sideline He's like about to score Crucial moment coming to come back I was just checking his best Shahid, it's like they had to use like jumper cables midway through there just to get him going a little bit Okay, next award here is the Cloyce Box name of the year This is a new award Ooh We often go back and look at old NFL rosters, we love finding old-timey names that don't exist anymore I think we've landed on four names that we discovered this year that are under contention I will list them off here and then we can decide on who we believe is the is the name of 2025 that we discovered We have Cub Buck The way that Craig says it Cub Buck Cub Buck Cub Buck, the next nominee here is Jug Jug These are real people Jug Jug Jug Why do you call Jug and they're like well his head looks like a Jug You know how like the Oscars they have like the guy who won Best Actor last year read the nominee I wish we could have had like Cloyce Box read this year's nominee This is due to AI have like recreated like they did with Al Davis We're not that far off from that yeah No we're not Next up a rare modern entry Fish Brosmer The brother of Max Brosmer, Fish We think there's we don't have evidence to suggest that his legal name is not Fish Yeah So we're gonna go with Fish Brosmer and then rounding it out as we just mentioned Buzz Nutter I'm actually proud of us none of us to this point have said Nutter I barely know her Right So the Cloyce Box name of the year award goes to who in your mind Buzz Nutter Buzz I gotta tell you Buzz Nutter is funny but I think Jug Herb I think it's Jug I was just like Cub Buck Oh my God Cub Buck There's like a ling there's something like linguistic about Cub Buck with the Cub Buck It's like the BB right next to each other Cub Buck It's like a loop for some reason I see like Cub Buck Like a W there or boobs This is a true battle here at the top I don't know who deserves it I'm changing my answer to Cub Buck Maybe put a pole in Spotify or do a pole Yeah who deserves best name of the year we just put all four up really Buzz Nutter Buzz Nutter is crazy Yeah He was a center in the 50s So we'll put a we'll do a vote on this I think And then what are some of the other ones just to like remind people so there was like Wizzar White Wizzar White Cloyce Box Wizzar White Cloyce Box Milk Plum Beady Feathers Beady Feathers Right There's lots of lots of dicks we talked about Dick Bong one of the great American fighter pilot bases Sam Donald's great uncle yeah Dick Bong Why did it I forgot about that Dick Bong Major Dick Bong Wait Dick Bong is related to Sam Donald Oh no that's just a different major Donald Uncle Dick Bong It's sorry Donald's Uncle's Dick Hammer Dick Hammer Dick Hammer Dick Hammer basketball player at USC Competed a volleyball at the 64 Summer Olympics Played Captain Richard Dick Hammer in the TV series Emergency And he was also a firefighter And he was a Marlboro man Oh yeah he was the Marlboro man Dick Hammer Dick Hammer and then also while we're here we're gonna do a faddle ad We actually convinced Faddle to let us do an ad where we get to just name old players I don't know how we did this but we got Faddle's like you want to do an ad We're like could we do one where we name old players so Faddle's now live in Missouri and to celebrate we're gonna go back to the start We're taking a look at the mighty 1960 Dallas Texans A.K. the 1960 Kansas City Chiefs Because of Missouri So yeah shout out to Faddle for letting us do an ad where we get to name players So I pulled up some of our favorite players in the 1960 Dallas Texans A.K. Kansas City Chiefs Bo Dickinson Okay Jack Spikes Great name Oh yeah Jack Spikes Tony Romeo Which sounds like a guy in the Goodfellows montage Oh yeah it's Tony Romeo Yeah there's Jimmy Two Times, Tony Romeo Yeah it's Tony Romeo, Jimmy The Lover, not a fighter It was Tony Romo and now that's how he's Tony Romo Exactly, Smokey Stover Ooh, that's nice There's a guy named Hatch Okay Dude Hatch is a good name Hatch This is great Hatch But I want to shout out one guy named Cheryl Hedrick And I want to shout him out because I want to tell you a little bit into his Wikipedia So shout out Cheryl Hedrick, I learned this lucky of Smokey Stover And so Cheryl Hedrick while working in the West Texas and New Mexico oil fields during the off season in 1960 Course Course I know He became one of the first Real man strength I know, we used to be a country He became one of the first players to sign with the Dallas Texans who became the Chiefs In 1960 as an undrafted free agent In Hedrick's first year as a linebacker at the Texans He set the standard for playing hurt Despite feeling pain in his neck after a pregame collision Hedrick played the entire game Pregame collision Maybe it was with a Mack truck They're just doing the Oklahoma drill for warm-ups They were probably sprinting at one another from a hundred yards apart So he learned five days later that he had actually fractured his vertebrae in his neck before the game And then he played the next game without missing any time Which earned him the nickname Psycho So Hedrick was actually known as Psycho for the rest of his career after that He called Psycho Hedrick And now that's Cam Scataboo His name His legacy lives on Yeah Dude, Hank Stram said that Hedrick played once a broken neck, infected gums and a fractured thumb And that he broke his bone in his finger Infected gums Teeth He was on the injury report with teeth Psycho Hedrick broke a bone in his finger, the bone was sticking out and he just put it back in In the skin Oh, it was like compound fracture? Yes, he just kept it So yeah, we used to be men I will say In all the talk that we've done about funny names The one person that keeps getting sent to me on Twitter and stuff Dick Shiner Dick Shiner, Dick Hammer Major Bob Dick Hammer We can't overstate that it's not just Cloyce Box, but it's also Boyce Box and Fern Box Yeah, that's the whole family As a family they win Exactly Like Champ Baley, Boss Baley and Michael Fern? Fern All time Like watching Craig discover these names in real time Yes Nothing better We have a single listener named Fern If you're a named Fern and you can prove it, email us We're gonna have so many questions If you can prove it If you prove it Alright, remember, Fandals now live in Missouri and they're celebrating with a ton of great promotions And rewards for everyone to sign up today, take advantage all week long You don't want to miss out And thank you to Fandal for letting us do a Fandal ad where we got to talk about Cloyce Box Alright, next award here This is the deadest dove do not eat award for the most glaringly obvious thing you still fell for For me, it is that I fell for that the Steelers might not go 9-8 with Aaron Rodgers I fell for that The oldest trick in the book, Craig I fell for the Giants might not go 2-10 this season Mine didn't really have anything to do with my team But I thought Bryce Young might actually be good No Turns out no He's not He's not Also, I drafted Jaylen Waddle like an idiot We fucking told you I know you guys told me I kind of did it, it was a little bit rebellious of me I just wanted to prove you guys wrong You opened a freezer, you saw the bag It said Jaylen Waddle is 2025 You're like, let's do it What's your return policy? Alright, next up here we have the most rewatchable play of 2025 I believe I have my answer Which rewatchable play, I think we just call this the best or most memorable play of the season To me, it doesn't get any better than when Jaylen Hertz turns them all over twice in one play Or worse, depending on how you're looking at it That's an all-timer, that's never happened before And it will never happen again It will never be broken Two turnovers in one game, I'll remember this when I'm old When I'm like 65, I'll remember that play If it happened to Matt Stafford, big deal The fact that it was Jaylen Hertz, I think makes it even better He had like three turnovers to that point in the year Yeah, we had a five that day Yeah, we had a five that day, yeah, a good day though I think it surpasses like the crazy Cardinals ending Where Amari Demercato drops the ball at the goal line And then K-Board throws a pick that the Cardinals then fumble into the end zone And the Titan score a touchdown and a play that the Cardinals intercepted them That Max Brosomers pick six, all that goes away, I think the Jaylen Hertz play That is the worst play, that is the one I will remember the most Yes, the Puka Week 13 catch is one of the best catches I've seen in a very long time But two turnovers in one play I would argue the most memorable plays this year got erased by the Puka catch I mean football would have been it And the other one was frankly the Amonra same-round lateral to Jared Goff Where he got a touchdown and would have scored the winning touchdown As time expired on a pitch to Goff And then the rest were like, OPI But Amonra committed an egregious OPI So what can you do? You can't cheat They're not going to let you By the way, they were playing the Steelers in that game Oh, right The next award here, the worst coach moment of 2025 I think that Oh, I know what it is Well, Brian Callahan saying he didn't know like an elbow's not two feet And he was wrong for the catch rule is bad Brian Dable going into the blue tent and yelling at them while Jackson Dart getting concussion tested was bad I think Zach Taylor challenging a DJ Morcatch that turned it into a touchdown was bad That's it, that's it That was pretty bad That's the best one I think that he tried to get the ball back and he scored a touchdown I've never seen that before That one's the best incredible I just love that It was like the worst talk about your all-time backfire I've ever seen Aaron Glenn saying I want this to be a team that fans are proud of But again, I never said they were going to be proud of the Jets right now In fairness, okay To be fair You got me However, I think it has to be the worst coach moment of the year is Lane Kiffin leaving Ole Miss I think that has to I think that supersedes everything else They're in the college football playoff hosting a home game and he's just like I'm gonna go Zach Taylor challenging a play and then having it turn into a touchdown is fucking hilarious Wow, this is worse than I thought Didn't even know you could do that You could have done nothing and you would have been better off How? Okay, the next award here is probably unanswerable questions from the season Hyphens, you said you had one you specifically wanted to post Yeah, so you know how the Steelers lost to the Browns last week? It didn't score a touchdown Even though if you had won that game, you would have just won the division Yeah Do you think the Steelers would have won if Rogers didn't spend so much time going through the Epstein files last week? Wow For doing his own research, you're saying? Yes, quite literally like people like Tyred is thinking that Aaron Rogers spent too much time worrying about Miles Garrett breaking the sack record And Wyatt is actually Aaron Rogers was fucking just copy and pasting all the redacted stuff in the Epstein files And being like do they want me to find this? Do you think they unredacted it on purpose? Why is it like this? He's more focused on bigger issues than the silly game that we talk about Playing a kids game out here Yeah He's trying to eat soup of forks That's right, he's looking, he's got a bigger windshield than rear view Alright, next up here, next award, you know in the rewatchables there's an award called Apex Mountain Which is kind of who's at the top of their powers right now, who's at the peak of their powers? We actually like the opposite We like the Kyle Pitts Death Valley Award for who is having the nadir of their career both professionally and personally right now Although we may have to change it from Kyle Pitts But I have a list for you guys I could start Please, this is a spicy one, I like this one It's an important category Patrick Mahomes Aaron Chiefs Yeah By far Just by default Kyle and Murray Yeah Yes Yeah He's literally this is probably the hardest year of his entire life Never been benched He'll lose a game in high school Right Losing your offensive play caller and thinking you'll be fine Yeah Lions, bucks, eagles, tough Yeah Ooh, yeah, good one John Harba Probably Has it ever been worse for John Harba? Yeah, well he was almost fired 2015 A few years back 2018 he was on the hot seat, it's where they played LeMarr in the first place But now this is pretty bad If they lose to the Steelers Faith is at an all time low Is this Tua's Death Valley or was it the injury? It was probably when he was very visibly concussed on the TV broadcast that one time That was pretty brutal The multiple times that happened Yeah Craig's like doing the Seinfeld like scratching That's probably fair What about Bill Belichick I think that's the one Unquestionably We might have to rename the award after him Dude, Belichick has done more damage to his legacy this year I can't, there's no comparison What is more embarrassing? Jordan Hudson stuff not only being true But actually being way more true than any of us could have realized of how much he's running in his life And how much she has taken control of everything he's doing Versus just absolutely getting fucking boat raced in the ACC It's gotta be Belichick, man Is it Apex Mountain for being whipped? It's like hard though Craig Because he's really old He's really old and she's young I mean there's like, there are so many really really old like CNOW rich people Like Sumner Redstone who are just basically getting tricked into like paying his multiple girlfriends money But in terms of like coherent lucid men Who like he's like allowing her to like do make decisions about North Carolina football Yes That's tough I don't know who's more whipped Email us If there's anybody who's been more whipped than Bill Belichick Email us at ringerfansityfootballatgmail.com that's pretty good Saving Silverman Great movie Do you guys have any other Navy Deers? Not Sharon Moore Pete Carroll Sure Yes Sure Hybets Yeah I was gonna say Pete Carroll, but he's been fired a few times. I don't know No, Patriots probably because this is sad for Pete, but like the Patriots getting fired Pete Carroll was like, no one at Heald was like he's not never gonna be anything Right Yeah, I mean do you think the cheating scandal was worse for Pete Carroll than right now? Possibly USC? No, because like that was bad, but like they had been so good man Yeah Like they were It's also so quaint in retrospect they gave Reggie Bush an escalator now it's like damn that was all you had to give Reggie Bush That's crazy You got half a million dollars? That's the contract of the year If you had to decide who is awarded the The Cowpets Death Valley of just this season Who would you give a team? If you had to pick a team that wins the Death Valley award this season, I think there's four candidates I think it's the Jets Yeah, I think it's the Jets Who have zero interceptions and Brady Cook has started multiple games which doesn't feel right Brady Cook feels like one of those guys where it's like a one-week experiment The Jets are like the living embodiment of it can always be worse You have the Raiders who brought in Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly and Geno Smith and they dropped it Ash and Gentian in the first round, Tom Brady and they're gonna have the first pick in the draft and it's an unmitigated disaster You have the Giants who had Malik Willis, Teres ACL, Cam Scowdaboo, a major success, Break His Foot, out for the year Jackson Dart can't stay healthy, they fire their coach midway through the season and they can't even get first pick Or the Indianapolis Colts who started 8-1 and then didn't make the playoffs And their quarterback broke his leg So as a Giants fan I can confirm it's not the Giants because the Giants are excited about Jackson Dart and I would so much I'd predict the Giants over the Jets right now a hundred and one times out of a hundred I feel bad for the Jets I think Jets and Raiders fans are kind of dead inside And I think the Colts getting that flicker of What is dead may never die Yeah, exactly, the Colts getting the flicker of I think we're gonna win the Super Bowl And then literally finishing 1-7, Jones blows his Achilles Yeah, you don't have picks I think it's kind of the Colts Even more than the Ravens and the Chiefs Yeah, the Jets have just been doing it for so long It's like, what's another year? I have to say though, I think the Jets have no interception period I think that's the stat of the year So sad The Jets, so like they broke the record for any stretch of games over multiple seasons But the record to start a season without interception The longest any team had ever gone before without picks was the Giants It goes 11 games in a row To start a year The Jets have none They're on the verge of a 17-game season without an interception And they hired a cornerback because they're head coach Quarterbacks against the Jets, 34 touchdowns, zero interception It's like the best season of all time Do we think so the next category we had here was stat of the year Do you think that's it? The zero interceptions for the Jets? Certainly the most memorable I think I think it has to be the Jets have no picks last year Like if they finish that Surpasses, Jamar chases stat line of four catches and three tackles Oh, that's good That's the Jake Browning special Yeah, it's probably the Jets having zero interceptions in the entire season Okay, next up here we have the email of the year Hyphens I would like to give my personal favorite I think the email of the year is from Name is redacted but the guy who emailed in the story And I'm going to tell it again for the first time if you guys remember don't worry But basically he was out it's like the late 90s is out at a club And he meets this girl he kept her back he's like 23 And she's like older she's like 35 and they hook up and they He's like this is like the best sex in my life And they start hooking up for four or five months and they have a great time And then she's over it's like Saturday Sunday morning and she picks up a Christmas card She's like how do you know these people? She's like and he's like those are my step siblings She's like how do you have this photo? Like there's steps in these he's like and she says these are my children Oh my lord And it turns out pre-internet he had been hooking up with his stepfather's first wife For months And then he never heard from her again And then he never she walked out and they never talked ever again How is that not like a 90s movie with Michael Douglas? I feel like that should have been made We should make that Do we own the rights technically? I'll get in touch That would be an incredible beginning to a Christmas movie Yeah And then there's a Christmas together A few more here Every rewatchable is right before who won the movie They usually do the Coach Finstock life lesson of the year Do we have a lesson of this year? You know to quote I forget if it was Shane Batty or AJ Brown who said this You know but if you're not welcomed not listen to quietly withdraw Don't make a scene shrug your shoulders and be on your way Is that AJ Brown? And the Bible Yes AJ Brown I quote the Bible The Bible dash AJ Brown Mark And his letter to the Corinthians Do you guys know the quote so do you know who Coach Finstock is? No He's the coach from the movie Teen Wolf with Michael J. Fox My god Here's the coach here's his quote this is what he says in the movie His three rules to a successful life Get at least 12 hours of sleep 12? Yep Don't play cards with someone whose first name is a city And avoid women with dagger tattoos Fair Iconic It's just yeah the sage wisdom Don't play cards with someone whose first name is a city is so good Tallahassee Stover like I'm good Some guy named Dallas walks in Nope I'm out All right drum roll please we're gonna get to who won the year So we started the episode with the fantasy MVP this is different This is more holistic NFL generally who won the year the 2025 NFL season Hyphids who do you have I think the winner of the year has to be the just the new guard It's just Ben Johnson Caleb William No It is though No It's like I don't allow that It's Caleb Okay Fine You're gonna name eight people? No it's specifically it's new coaches with these quarterbacks It's Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence with Liam Cohen And it's Mike Vareble and Drake May They've completely overtaken like it's been a total shift away from the Mahomes Josh Allen Like the Marjaxon era and they've just been kind of overthrown By like Drake May, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams Yeah I think that the story of the year You could say it's the coaching the new coaching class or whatever Because you could add in Kevin Moore who's done good things for Did he even mention Sean Payton and Bo Nix? They're gonna be the one seed No that's the thing you'll throw whether you want to throw in Sean Payton with that But yeah if you include that I mean second year coaches like Bo Nix and Sean Payton Over through Patrick Mahomes in the AFC West and it's like Drake May overtook Josh Allen in the AFC East I know it's one season but it's also Josh Allen it's gonna be 30 next year Mahomes ACL 30 Lamar quietly gonna be like 30 Mike McDonald Mike McDonald for the Seahawks like a lot of these guys like the second and first year head coaches I just think there is a sea change The New Guard I kind of like I think there's something here I know it's a little stupid and kitschy but I'm like we're in between eras right now I agree with DK that that is the story of the season Unfortunately the name of the category is Who Won The Year So you're right let's add another category called the story of the year The story of the season, the narrative of the season that is the New Guard unquestionably Fine then the winner then the winner is Shohei Otani because for two weeks we talked about baseball in this fucking show Which has never happened before Imagine if the Oscars and they're like God then the best actor goes to all five of them what a year Fine I pick Otani Okay well you're not gonna like my answer Craig Who is it? Generational prospects we gave up on You guys don't know how to follow rules Generational pro so Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence who else? Kyle Pitts That's about it I think it's Drake May Yeah He won the year If you have to pick one person I agree with Hyphens that it's like generally it is like this new era This new wave that has like Stormed into the NFL While the Old Guard is kind of waning But I think if you have to pick one person inside of that new wave I would say it's either Drake May or Ben Johnson Dude I know it's Drake May because you know how you know it's Drake May He's conquered the internet it's aw shucks It's not even a high school sweetheart His wife's middle school sweetheart And if you look at like Brittany Mahomes's comments on anything she posts it's like just hatred vitriol toxic internet Drake May's wife somehow is the only person in sports where everyone all the comments and her bakemis and her cookies are just like I love your husband don't do anything can I have your cookie recipes just people fucking love her they love Drake May I it's not gonna last It's not even toxic on the internet Yeah Liz my wife has discovered Drake May's wife and now follows her and consumes her content That's how I know she's won the fucking that's how I know Drake May won the year Yeah That's fair Alright more importantly Who lost the year This can be player or team I think the Colts dying on the Oregon Trail The wagon the Colts wagon It's if you died fording the river I agree it's either the Colts or if you want to expand out it's Belichick I think it has to be Belichick Yeah it's Belichick Belichick you know why the Colts we feel bad for it Belichick's a punchline Like Belichick literally is just the best coach in the NFL since Paul Brown like at least and now it's like it's like we're gonna need 10 years to rehab that Yeah it's tough The Belichick thing went from greatest coach of all time the NFL is so stupid for not hiring this guy to everyone being like oh okay I kind of get it Bill Belichick blew a 28 to 3 lead of his career Yes exactly what happened God damn it Craig He was so close from the ball Just needed one first down No he's still got a good like he'll still go down as the greatest coach of all time but man it's been rough But man like that's the part of it That wraps things up we did have one bonus category of the Stephen A Smith Hottest Take Award of the year The hyphens went back and compiled what he thought were is it the best takes the funniest takes I have kept track of these for the entire season and I wrote down what I thought was the craziest thing each of us said on the show this year So this is like 10 these are 10 out of 10s on the crazy scale I think this is the single craziest thing each individual person said this year like if you said it to a group of people that don't know you like you meet new people at a party and you said this People would be like what the fuck is wrong with this guy like he's an idiot Alright so the nominees for Hottest Take I don't like that it ended on you're an idiot I was kind of before that I was like oh okay You're right no sorry sorry not it's like crazy Good take good take You're a takes man Hottest take Hottest takes Craig yeah the hottest takes anyone said this year Craig's saying I could throw for 28 yards in an NFL game I believe that It's like Craig saying he could go 2 for 5 in first 3 point range or whatever 3 for 5 I think Craig going 3 for 5 in an NBA game 3 for 5 Whatever percentage you want to put on that I think it is a thousand times more likely than Craig throwing for 28 yards in an NFL game No way Another fucking chance No way The thing they don't tell you about a screen behind the line of scrimmage is you still have to throw it like 20 yards Hi Fitz have you forgotten we talked about this all season I can underhand shuffle past the ball to a tight end and he can get me 15 yards in one play Do that three times You know what I'm gonna let DK I'll let DK silence speak volumes My whole point about the 3 for 5 I love the 3 for 5 number where the fact that you came up with that is The whole point of 3 for 5 in 28 yards is that the entire game plan is to get me to accomplish that goal Like Steve Kerr would be coaching me so that I am open to hit 3 out of 5 corner 3 And Ben Johnson is scheming me to get like his life depends on me getting 28 yards There's no way you'll do one touch pass it'll get 13 and you'll lose 7 yards immediately Like you're gonna lose yardage then they're gonna play up on you there's no way I don't know Then I just go back shoulder down the sideline but alright That's a good point yeah go one on one like Lake Lewis You know that thing of what's that random guy's like I could strike out Timothy Chalamet He'd have no chance I'm starting 98 miles up our deck right now Dude that's so great Here it is I would strike Timothy Chalamet out on 3 pitches Slider outside he feels like he's drowning Curveball in the dirt of course he's chasing it Ladybird sucked kill yourself and bang 97 inside corner you're out you were always out You've been out since the day you were born Alright It feels like he's drowning You're drowning the next time Of course he's chasing it Alright next nominee for craziest things some instead of the show this year DK said my dog is more athletic than secretariat I stand by it You're dog My dog George who's moderately athletic My dog is more athletic than secretariat Look man everyone's definition of athletic is a little different The most impressive and famous thoroughbred horse of all time Secretariat Carlos saying I couldn't pick I have both I hate Carlos saying I hate the moment of Zen on YouTube TV That is an all-time which I hate the moment of Zen I'd rather see more commercials is what he said Carlos I have to say though I you saying on the top of the Guinness factory I'm like getting beers and it was like do you want anything's like yeah Do you think they have Moscow meals This is in Dublin In Dublin In the Guinness factory it's in the museum to Guinness Moscow meal And I just looked at him I was the first root thing I've ever said to him He was like do you think they have Moscow meals I was like No They did I wish they had them They had them Yeah Every time we do a baseball segment we finish the show and we're talking about the episode and he goes I just fucking hate baseball Can we delete that Yeah He wants to cut it Talk about Atani he's like yeah He's like the best World Series of All Time he's like I didn't like that My obviously there were a lot of moments for me but the one I picked as the most craziest thing I said this year I said I could build Stonehenge if I had 30 to 40 guys in 30 to 40 years 30 to 40 guys I've got my 30 or 40 guys in 30 to 40 years Feral hogs yeah 30 40 guys 30 40 years I'll build Stonehenge I love these arguments they're so ridiculous I think if you saying you watched Sopranos out of order I had that one that's an honor to mention you think that's better than Stonehenge Me saying I've watched Sopranos out of order I also had my sock rant down here but I don't think he's watching it like it's Seinfeld Yeah he's just tuning in like it's the fucking news Yeah I saw Sopranos it was alright Yeah I saw that episode that was a good one I didn't love that episode I didn't know what was going on That's like Bill on the Bottle Sall it's like he watched the entire season 5 of Stranger Things with his kids and he had never seen an episode before and he's like this show sucked I have no idea what's going on Yeah no shit Oh that's great Oh yeah well the sixth episode I've ever watched was probably Pine Barrens I'm like so where is this interior? What is this? Are these guys? Yeah Well we just must like the outdoors Oh my god Okay so does that conclude it? I think that concludes it I think that's it Alrighty What a year it's been A successful first season of the Ringer Fantasy Football League I would say I got last you guys got what third and fourth Mow one Mow one Mow two Got second Yeah the first place and last place team both went six and eight That should tell you how And the second place team That says a lot about third First and second went six and eight That is the last And then D.K. and I in third And then third and fourth They added the last And then D.K. and I in third and fourth went like eleven wins a piece Yeah Thank you to everybody who was with us along the way this fantasy season Thank you to all of our producers Thank you to Carlos and Kai and Cam and Austin and Ryan And everybody who contributed along the way Thank you to Christian McCaffrey Mmm Our fantasy MVP Thank you to JSN who I fell in love with this year Drake May Thank you to Drake May I guess Thank you Who else we thank you Thank you to everyone who emailed us Emails at fantasyfootballatgmail.com Yeah we appreciate everyone in our Spotify rap Thank you for that Everyone who follows on Instagram Ring of Fantasy Football and everyone in the Discord Which the episode The invite to the Discord is in the link So thank you to everyone there too Thank you to Cub Buck, Jug Earp, Buzz Nutter And Fish Brosmer For contributing this season And most of all Thank you Lauren Lauren I searched a old long sign the the New Year song, you know, I don't know how I'll say that right Anyway, he was the first guy that came up. I'm sure it's a lot of people have said what's wait. His name's guy. Lombardo That's what I searched it on. Should we add him to the best name of the year list? It's like it's like moonlight. It's like wait Garlo Bardo won best name Cool, what's the name of that song do we know? I'll long outlang sign. I Think it I'm probably not saying that correctly But it's the it's a New Year song as you know it happy new year guys its title means old long since Tom Brady talks Yeah Old long since Just words coming out All right. 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