BILL HANEY - MILLION DOLLAZ WORTH OF GAME EPISODE 378
145 min
•May 11, 202619 days agoSummary
Bill Haney, father and manager of boxer Devin Haney, discusses his son's career trajectory, upcoming fights, and the business of professional boxing. The episode features extensive debate about top boxers, fighter rankings, and negotiations for legacy-defining matchups, with appearances from boxing figures including Jay Prince and Terrence Crawford.
Insights
- Ownership and independence are critical for fighter leverage in boxing negotiations; fighters aligned with major promotions face structural disadvantages in securing legacy fights
- Parental involvement and belief in a fighter's potential can be more valuable than traditional industry gatekeepers; Bill Haney's presence enabled Devin to make unconventional career moves like fighting in Australia
- Weight class negotiations and catch-weight fights create complex business dynamics that can prevent marquee matchups; fighters must balance championship status with competitive opportunity
- The boxing industry lacks transparency in deal-making; fighters and managers often disagree publicly about money and terms because underlying negotiations remain undisclosed
- Technical skill and knockout power are distinct fighter attributes; debates about fighter greatness often conflate different fighting styles and career contexts
Trends
Independent fighter management gaining leverage against traditional promotion monopolies in boxingUndisputed championship status becoming a key metric for fighter legacy and marketabilityInternational fight venues (Australia, UK) being used strategically to avoid domestic promotion controlYounger fighters achieving multi-division championship status earlier in careers than historical precedentDebate over fighter greatness shifting from pure statistics to contextual factors like competition quality and eraTax and business services becoming mainstream content for entrepreneurial audiences on sports podcastsWhite-label software licensing emerging as revenue model for service-based businesses targeting professionals
Topics
Boxing fighter negotiations and contract termsUndisputed championship defense strategyWeight class movement and catch-weight fightsFighter independence vs. promotion alignmentLegacy-defining matchups and career trajectoryBoxing business model and fighter compensationParental management in professional sportsInternational boxing venues and promotionFighter ranking and comparative analysisTax business entrepreneurship and software licensingProfessional certification and regulatory requirementsQuarterly tax planning for high-income clientsSoftware white-labeling business modelBasketball vs. boxing career comparisonMentorship and knowledge transfer in business
Companies
PBC (Premier Boxing Champions)
Major boxing promotion discussed regarding fighter contracts and alignment issues affecting legacy fights
Top Rank
Traditional boxing promotion mentioned in context of fighter independence and promotional control
Black Prime
New boxing promotion discussed regarding fighter deals and legacy-defining fight opportunities
Marzetti
Sponsor offering protein ranch dressing and dip product placement during episode
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Mountain Dew
Sponsor promoting citrus-flavored beverage for summer refreshment
Abracrame
Sponsor offering summer apparel including swim dresses and linen blend matching sets
State Farm
Sponsor providing insurance coverage options and bundling discounts
Shure
Sponsor offering video conferencing and meeting room collaboration technology for IT teams
Guide Dogs
Sponsor promoting guide dog puppy sponsorship program for sight loss assistance
People
Bill Haney
Father and manager of boxer Devin Haney; primary guest discussing boxing business and fighter negotiations
Devin Haney
Undisputed welterweight champion; subject of discussion regarding upcoming fights and career strategy
Jay Prince
Boxing manager and promoter involved in negotiations for Devin Haney vs. Shakur Stevenson fight
Shakur Stevenson
Multi-division champion discussed as potential opponent for Devin Haney; weight class negotiation focal point
Terrence Crawford
Former undisputed champion discussed as benchmark for fighter greatness and legacy-defining fights
Jaron Boots Ennis
Undefeated welterweight discussed extensively regarding potential matchup with Devin Haney
Wallo
Co-host conducting interviews and moderating boxing discussions throughout episode
Gillie da Kid
Co-host engaging in boxing analysis and fighter comparisons; participates in street interviews
Canelo Alvarez
Former champion discussed as benchmark for fighter legacy and recent performance decline
Oleksandr Usyk
Heavyweight champion mentioned in top 10 fighters discussion and legacy rankings
Weston Hill
Guest discussing tax business software, entrepreneurship, and white-label licensing opportunities
Bud Crawford
Discussed as top fighter who defeated Canelo; benchmark for fighter greatness and legacy fights
David Benavidez
Super middleweight champion discussed regarding potential matchups and fighter rankings
Quotes
"Devin is the baddest motor scooter at 147 motherfucking pounds and he's the welterweight champion of the world the king of the welterweight division the money division the glamour division"
Bill Haney•Early segment
"You're the stars at home and not on television. If you're blessed to have any children you know the world is made up of all kind of different people of all kind of different amazing professions but when you come from an environment that we grew up in you think that if I can't make it as this nothing else."
Bill Haney•Mid-episode
"When you talk about an opportunity to put a fighter that you believe in and he believes in himself and him not being able to have these legacy defining opportunities go by by because it's the wrong person at the helm"
Bill Haney•Business discussion
"I don't believe you know nobody should turn down no fade the kind of money that's on the table if they if they're ready and we're ready you know what I mean willing and able to defend our 147 pound welterweight title against anybody at any given time"
Bill Haney•Fight negotiation
"You can come right in. It's one of the easiest business that you can get into without education. So I'm going to, I created ebook where you can easily get started. I'm breaking out all the steps we get started. It's really simple to get in."
Weston Hill•Tax business segment
Full Transcript
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It is doctor prescribed 100% online and ships directly to your door. Go to Rugeeette.com slash Chicklitz. Get 15% off and start scoring today. That's R U G I E T .com slash Chicklitz. You're now tuned into me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me million dollars worth of games. We got the million dollar man. This is 100 million dollars. 100 million dollars worth of games. I forgot. This is a really important game. Big Bill Haney. Yeah me real Haney. I'm fucking Oakland legend. Yeah me like anytime I go around anywhere in the Oakland streets and I say no no I fuck with Bill. His name always come back clean. If it don't build real nigga man. Yeah. So you know, shout out to Bill Haney. Shout out to his son. Hold up. Incredible things. I love hold up. Hold up. Jay Prince. I got to ask you a question. I got somebody right here and we got to get to the bottom of this shit. I'm sitting here with Bill Haney right and you know I'm about I'm getting new to boxing. Gil knew this shit better than me but I said when should call and Devon Haney gonna fight. I said we ain't got to do no talk. I'm gonna call Jay Prince. So when is they fighting Jay? Bill can hear you. He right here. When is your when is your call and Devon Haney fighting Bill? I mean of Jay Prince. What's up with my big homie man. How are you? Man I'm good. I'm good bro. You know. Hey man listen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wallo is Wallo is always excited and I'm glad he's excited about something that's as big as what we talking about. You know what I mean? And it's always a pleasure to you know both talk to Wallo and talk to you even more so. You know what I mean? On camera and off the camera. You hear me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I got a story that I want to tell to share with them when we first got in the boxing game and I went to Jay and I said Jay well you see what I got. You know what I mean? He said what you want to do? And I said he's I said explain it to me. He said do you want to promote or do you want to manage? You know and that was at a pivotal time where understanding the game and where we was going to go to. And my passion for Devon and my belief in him from that point on I knew that I had to be present in everything in every aspect in every way because this boxing game is one of the worst games in the world but at the same time it's one of the best games for those that are passionate as I am and I'm sure Jay is. And he had told me he said one thing he said to me then he said if I had been in boxing a long time ago verse music I would be you know what I mean? And I think Jay can say the rest of that part. You remember that Jay? Yeah I remember something like that. Yeah. Yeah. But I'll have to go on record bill and say that boxing is behind music. I believe music is worse than boxing. Oh yeah yeah okay okay okay all right okay yeah yeah. It's simply because there's more drugs involved. Okay okay well you would know you would definitely know best on that and I know but I know that boxing is the kind of game that you got to have the right kind of people around you and you know yeah absolutely absolutely. Well Jay you know I look forward to always you know what I mean speaking with you you know what I mean and I think Waldo and Caldwell are first open conversations. I'm trying to figure out when is this going to happen. I want to see this fight. That's me and Jay you know I'm not no top flight specialist like Gillingham a boxer. I just know who's popular and who the f*** the people want to see and I know who I want to see. Well you know this is at the top of the game you know I don't believe you know nobody should turn down no fade the kind of money that's on the table if they if they're ready and we're ready you know what I mean willing and able to defend our 147 pound welterweight title against anybody at any given time. You heard that Jay? Oh yeah but that's the thing though that's the thing you know since you're cool it's 135 pound. Oh sure you know what I mean. The way the way that fight could be made you got 147 you got 135. Now what we are willing to do what is that 11 pound difference? 12. That's 12. So what's you cool with doing is you take eight of them pounds and go up to 44. We don't even have to go to the meters halfway. Yeah you know I would never negotiate against you know what I mean you know myself nor would I negotiate against Devin without him present but one thing that I can say is that Devin is the baddest motor scooter at 147 motherf***ing pounds and he's the welterweight champion of the world the king of the welterweight division the money division the glamour division something that you know not only has my my my guy my big homie right and taught me that it's time to get the money and he whoever wants to mix it up at 147 pounds for that you know what I mean then that's what we're gonna go with. So if it's at a catch week if it's at a catch week 144 then it wouldn't be for the belt. No nor to me would represent what a truly a five division potential five division champ and Shakur would make him Devin the youngest underspeated champion three division title holder you know what I mean and somebody that's you know what I mean hard to deal with. So I think that it's a great fight at 147 pounds when they're ready to go you know at 147 pounds if that's what they want to do but we're not going down no more pounds. So there y'all have it we're not going down we're not going up. Yes sir but yeah but see here's the thing like like like I always I've been sitting back rooting for Bill and Devin. Yes sir. You know the beginning you know what I mean because he knows he knows we go back up. Yes sir. I know that they're gonna come I know that time gonna come but I never really wanted to rush it because I wanted to see them do as well as they don't. Yes sir. You know what I mean this is something I always wanted and and I know when that fight happened you know what I mean at the right time it's going to be beneficial for us all. Yes sir. We ain't no rush like y'all ain't no rush and you know what happened at that party forward or whatever then we got to get bigger we got to get strong. Hey you my brother man you don't listen everything else you know what I mean you've already said more than enough you know what I mean what's over understood don't need no more understanding you know I'm I hear you. Absolutely. Keep getting it and you know when the day and time come with we're gonna have some fun. Absolutely. Congratulations on everything you do and always do. You know what I mean been doing for us. Shout out to us all. Okay. OG. All right. All right. So there you have it. Now we got to the bottom of that. I'm a. So that's a little time to come that fight. It's a little ways away. But I love the respect though. I love the respect. I love the the brotherhood dear because it's a dirty game. A lot of people don't even can't even build can't talk to a lot of people like that because it's a dirty game. But I just love the respect level. Oh absolutely. Now this is the whole thing Bill. Your journey you've been in you know everybody in boxing world know Bill Haney. You always dare to defend your son speak up for your son no matter what your real vocal about his skills. Your real vocal about the journey you all took. And I'm gonna ask you a real question Bill. Did you think you'll be here today and I ain't talking about boxing. I'm just saying be here just existing as Bill Haney today. Did you ever think that when you back in the day when you was in the town and oh absolutely absolutely. I think that every man is walking in his his vision and hopefully his purpose. You know what I mean. I've been faithful to my vision of being the kind of guy that can can help others. You know what I mean. I've always wanted to help. You know I didn't necessarily need any help. I wanted to help. And you know for Jay to say the music business is cut the rope. I mean first hand. I mean because I was in music before boxing and I decided to music among other things. I said let that take a back seat to me being a parent. Me being a dad. You know what I mean. And you know I found so much success in that that I've made that one of my commitments to hopefully bring awareness to dads that need to know that you're the stars at home and not on television. What do you mean by when you see the stars at home and not on television. Well that's what I mean is if you're blessed to have any children you know the world is made up as as you know and I know as we've traveled of all kind of different people of all kind of different amazing professions. But when you come from an environment that we grew up in you think that if I can't make it as this nothing else. Real talk. Maybe if you thought basketball. Right. You see what I mean. You know. Yeah you're going to do the basketball. I was like like. All right so so like if he was like his basketball game in the boxing genre he'd be the dude that when a dude is coming up in the city and he getting hot and he got like and he like seven and out there called you go get him a fight with Gil just to get another notch from the job. He'd be that he'd be that class five boxer you know me connected. I mean he'd be that dude because listen one thing one thing that's crazy about it. One thing about it's crazy about I will say this though I will say this though and I got to just slide this in here. You you got to understand what you're saying because you all two it's fibers of sons that box and you're both trained. Gil wasn't a good trainer. I'm just saying I'm just throwing out Gil was not a good trainer man. Matt. Lil Cuzz he wasn't a good trainer. You all really know where he was a bad first of all. He was a bad trainer. Real trained my son. But you trained him too didn't you? Same real as me. I ain't talking about real did you say you trained him? Yeah at the crib we get extra work. See that was bullshit you fucked this game. That's why you got dudes like real training him and do you come with shit? No see he told you do this but do this where you do all this dumb you know that basement dumb shit. See you got him knocked out. I had him right fuck what he talked about. Yeah but you know and and I might not have been even that good going into it with Dev but um it's something about a passionate father that's going to bring about everything that you'll need in that journey you know what I mean but if you want to look at it you know what I mean here when when God is giving you every day to make a better step right to to uh to one thing that our word bless you thank you bless you um is to use his scale um that's that's been a big big uh word and commitment as I as I've grown and our company has grown grown is um is scaling you know what I mean and um for us uh ownership you know I mean ability to be able to talk to Jay uh right I call him a super manager right a manager of many talents and many different um genres right to to to talk about a deal right we don't have any hang ups it's just it's just Devin Devin owns his everything yeah well you should have ownership hold on hold on hold on because I'm trying to get this right because because I know that I know when you got boxing I know you got these different places top rank pbc you got all these places but what do you mean ownership when they not under them you mean well I'm you know it's even more it's it's it has even been a more controversial topic that's circulating the Muhammad Ali act right yeah and and and how this affects a boxer well I can see firsthand how you have those that are are somehow uh championing the Muhammad Ali act violating it every day the companies that traditionally are traditional companies have formed an alliance where independent fighters fighters that can just fight that can just go right have to somehow align with them right to to fulfill their their dreams of becoming whatever that is right and and that alignment with them there shouldn't be any kind of um you know what I mean grouping up against I think I think that it should be a fair playing field right and talent should win but unfortunately like I just spoke to him in boxing that doesn't necessarily always happen and and being a president partner or president dad in my case meant that meant everything in the world and and our ability to legacy defining fights like a Shakur Stevenson we'd be able to to to negotiate it you know what I mean you can't say okay because Shakur doesn't work with this person or or jay doesn't work with this person that that will affect Devin's overall career trajectory right right we just and and and it's not that it's not super comfortable to be with maybe one of those guys one of the top ranked pbc one of those things situations but sometimes yeah but sometimes that alignment and that security prevents you to make legacy defining uh moves like like when we went over to australia a promoter would have said don't do it you're going to get robbed everyone said we were going to get robbed you know australia you know george cambo so it had just battered up to your femo lopez right Devin made a choice he's the one that has worked all this time to getting us to he made a choice to go to australia we came back before the plane landed he wanted to defend undisputed against loma chinko you tell me when any guys have defended undisputed right so oh i don't want to sound i don't want to sound crazy but you know i'm undisputed when you got all the belt you got all the belts and you and you give a guy one fight a chance to win all the belts oh shit i ain't doing that right i want to do no shit like that i'm not putting them up 13 black belts for one fight because it might not be my day but i got 13 that's why i'm like hold up what the fuck undisputed me because if we don't talk like that in mars yords so my whole thing is like you think that i'm gonna fight this one dude and put my 13 black belts up for this one little in the dojo i don't think that's worth it okay so so that's crazy that's shut up man no but that's a perfect way that's crazy of looking at it in terms of when he defended undisputed against loma chinko right now i was at that fight i know he put all okay okay so now he defended against loma chinko and then gave Shakur an opportunity once again to fight him at 135 not that it would be to to debon's advantage because he's at 135 and we're struggling right we because you struggle long enough to get all these belts that 13 black belts right so we struggle okay then then you you struggle to defend them like you say i didn't just win from kambosos i'm coming back and fighting the baddest guy the best amateur ever the the hall of famer um you know pound for pound guy and loma chinko fastest three-way division right how many how many how many boxes done that what none nobody said they're gonna put they built ups like the how many dudes do that how many like how many these popular boxes that were done they said i'm gonna you know don't quote me canella me huh who did he do and what then terrence crawford became undisputed when can that when he beat canelo for the third time you you defended it i'm not sure i we defended it twice we want no no i'm just saying i just i'm just saying that's somebody else they defended an undisputed joint and because i because am i right right he would yeah that's how terrence crawford became undisputed at 68 because he undisputed three times third uh 40 47 and 68 yeah so okay so he defended he defended it one time yeah one time okay so we became undisputed we defended it against a guy giving him a rematch that was in the rematch clause right this is all the shit that you defended against george kambosos we defended against george kambosos yeah if you wanted then you went back to australia we went back to australia defended against him right where that had never happened for sure right and then we came back from australia defended it against loma chinko and bob erums hometown and then the opportunity happened where chicor said he wanted to fight debon and just like jay was saying with the weight and everything we were already going up to 140 40 pounds right we're already busting at the seams we offered him a deal at 25 percent of the the revenue because what we felt that he should have gotten a flat fee like we got a flat fee to go to australia right then we got another flat fee to go back to go back to australia right and then with with loma chinko it started kind of changing and then with chicor right we said what is the flat fee he said no i want 50 50 on the revenue we said uh 25 percent at best so that that this particular train you know what i mean moved on and and hearing that that jay has was has been pulling for us we've has equally been pulling for him because we know that every time that that fight has has happened even with them the money was smaller than it is now right you know what i'm saying so you've seen both of you guys got a chance to see where where our money with them don't have no it has a question mark on it she's longer than broad street right you know i mean what you've seen it doesn't it doesn't happen it was a zero party yeah and and of course he says the same thing so we move up to 140 pounds and face a guy and regis prograde uh regis regis prograde that everyone believed was dangerous right and and then brian norman but within within all that i was happy to each time that they've doubt doubted death he's believed in himself and i've known him to believe in himself and i'm saying this how many times our kids are believing in themselves but the people around them don't that's where strong men like we are we come in like you own it like let's go and that's why stars uh at home is so special to me you know i mean and i know that a parent and a dad is going to go harder longer and stronger for themselves than any gang group or any of that other bullshit you know what i mean when it when things are aligned and you can actually see and understand that that kid that's being given to you has the ability to be things that are just unimaginable to you but a blessing at the same time absolutely let me ask y'all a question because i'm really an outside of the boxing world i went to a lot of big-time fights historical fights but i still don't have a clue and i'm running these fighters sometime and i call gilb is like yo man i was at the airport this dude named such and such he's somebody a boxer he was like what where you at gilby snapping i'm like i've never heard of this dude in my life so i'm just being realistic like i don't be knowing these dudes be this good so who is the top 10 boxers in boxing right now and i'm trying to figure out do i know these top 10 i know the chicor i know the devins i know the tanks i know the uh the bud crawford's and i didn't even listen i didn't even know who bud crawford was before we interviewed him and he was a you know me so who's the top 10 well i mean this is a good time to introduce the demin haney hit list i mean i don't know if anybody didn't ever put out a 10 bad motherfuckers that they want to fight oh he got to know what this was not because it knocked off brian norman off of it you know what i mean so it's not like got into it with his family it's dead and everything yeah he fired his pop right damn after that huh that was a cold ass woman how fired his pop huh oh shit that was a vicious ass weapon when you go home i said dad go home see daddy shit ain't working that's what happened to give him back looks like a little five years no that's why you don't stop training you gotta use the you love you know so let me ask you this question i want to ask you what's your thoughts oh he said hold it be sure that ten hit list yeah i'm i'm gonna ask you this question you put it i'm gonna ask you your thoughts i'm gonna be thinking i what's your when i'm when i name these fighters i wanted to what's your thoughts your first thoughts that come to mind when it comes to these fighters facing devon hey nah we got to go back to that ten the hit list ten who is that yes i need to know your thoughts okay number one chicory steves what's your thoughts when you hear that name and it come to fight him devon hey um super talented um a great opportunity uh for devon to show how skilled um you know what i mean he is what you know it's it's levels of it you know what i mean and the thing about core is um both of them need each other to bring out the levels just really there because even with with loma as good as loma is the world got to see a different devon brian norman you get the chance to see a different devon and chicory is the kind of fighter that you you'll see as well another level quiche on davis uh regular night oh hold hold he talking about the business business man come on man don't do that hey listen a regular night where i mean hey listen sometimes it's oh red you said a regular night sometimes sometimes there ain't no regular night that's a fucking hangover listen as many bad business nights as i didn't have to deal with because he's bad business it's not good business because every time i've tried to do business with him and talk to him he's somehow went the other way i think the better way to do business is to talk to jay you know what i mean richard sir hitches i don't know who that is richerson bitchenson listen he did not make the top he didn't make the 10 but he did make the honorable mention you dig yeah and you just mentioned him that's what i think about him you did but but but wait a minute what i'm saying is he's he's a very determined fighter and as he continues to do what what he should do first he got him you know i mean move up to 147 pounds and not just be talking about it because you know a lot of these guys is is is talking and ain't even moved up to the weight class you know that right oh so what did he talk about i know right still fighting in 140 yeah you know what i mean tfmol pass tfmol surprisingly is not speaking for himself lately and he's doing a great job because it ain't nothing really he's not you know um but going back to it only person i crossed off the list was was brian norman tfmol lopez and him and his dad is still a grudge match that we're going to have to settle one day either in the ring or in the parking lot jaron boots in this oh don't even jaron timbaland boots javinci boots he's not on the list and you see i've seen his name on the list well who made y'all do that they're feeling kid jaron boots timbaland boots javinci boots steel toe boots anise i better take him off that list bill let me tell you something about this boy oh let me explain something to you okay well listen being that being that listen being that this is the hundred million dollar we gotta get right into this game i'm getting this shit i gotta speak so a lot of times i go into these gyms you know i'm a black belt 13-time marshal ralphs i really don't do and me and boos dad is both marshal i really don't do the boxing shit but when i go in that one test power so i find myself putting on uh what's the things you put over your body that that shield your body what's they call the thing you put on when they want to punch you and it's right here what is that called uh shield it doesn't show yeah body shifts i put a heavy back so you turn yourself into a heavy back yes so damn i never thought about that gill like them things so i go in there talking shit the boots i put one on he hit me i felt like my leg broke then i put and listen i did this with a lot of fighters i had to put two on right he hit me again it felt like i still had one on he's not to be fucked with leave him the fuck alone bill he's not no regular dude and then i go to his fights and he destroyed people so i don't want that to happen with that don't do that take him off the list okay so anytime that boots has ever fought did you ever think that he was gonna lose never no did the people ever think that he was gonna lose never no his performance is unbelievable it's memorable so how do you ever know if he's good or not what you mean i'm saying if he's never faced a position of adversity how do you really know how good he is well maybe somebody's not good enough that maybe ain't some fighters out there ain't good enough to give him adversity because dude's been hate hey well listen well listen i'm just saying they thought staying your lips was going to be a respectfully putting down well respectfully that's why he's on the list because we don't believe that that he's been challenged or he's been pushed in a way that we know and of course i have a lot of respect for bozzy bozzy you know bozzy is my man legend legend 100% you know what i mean he didn't drop all kind of game and all kind of jewels on me you know what i mean and because they've grown up together they come you know so it'll go where um chicor was this way he was like whatever way he was because they went all the way up then it would be devin and then it would be our boots you know i mean winning everything right um it wasn't richard hitchinson or it wasn't keisha no none of them because devin is devin is younger than all of them but he fought you know how you fight the way up you know what i'm saying so devin fought up right so we know that at 147 pounds right when we moved up that boots was there bryne norman was there and every you know everybody was there um but respectfully to boots i felt that i felt that he campaigned during the bud era when bud was there and the man was gone and he campaigned for the fight against the man and he was gone at 147 pounds when they brought the fight to us at 147 pounds we said yeah to fight the fight who who else a year to fight who boots and what happened and it came back and they said 152 hey it's hannah montoya abracrame's new summer drop is our latest obsession there's tons of colorful swim flowy dresses and they just released new linen blend matching sets everything feels so light and breathable it's perfect for brunch or rooftop happy hours just like you're on vacation shop abracrame be in the app online and in stores but gentlemen this is the fight business uh-huh it's big business lies will get you kicked out of the building you will have no respect what so ever conversations with real gentlemen will no longer exist anymore and those zeroes that i just shared with zero zero party bye bye so when you talk about an opportunity to put a fighter that you believe in and he believes in himself and him not being able to have these legacy defining opportunities go by by because it's the wrong person at the helm it's that it's the wrong person at the at the understanding between him and that opportunity i always gave him to my man i'd say dev this is it this is this how it is what you want to do he's the one making the decisions he's the one writing the checks you know i mean so you should at least you should at least if you've worked from here have that opportunity you know what i'm saying and and and like and like jay says they'll continue to pit the best fighters against each other right and it's our job to show up and show show up ready Connor been Connor win i messed with Connor that was a good one and he was fast with it Connor win when that fight go ahead yeah well listen Connor we're at 147 pounds and i told you i said the king of it he came down to 147 pounds he fought 150 yeah yeah 150 you know what i mean so whatever that means you know what i'm saying see that it gets you know that's what i'm saying is when are you gonna really do it you know what i mean when you know when you're gonna stop being a contender yeah because you come from he come from good stock he comes from a dad that was a champion you know what i mean his dad wasn't nothing to play with you know what i'm saying so i always say when is he gonna really show up and and and do it you know and if he wants to do it with dev i think that they've talked about it you know what i'm saying uh you're gonna see that that mention he's on the list you kind of been didn't look at the 10 people well you kind of been right i'm glad you mentioned that unless that's why i asked you about i knew the list no no no yeah see you know what the thing about it is came nothing move or shake around us we with all that shit when if that ever happened but we can take mario barrios off the list you know what i'm saying davis coach calvin and coach kenny now is the time you can come over here and join the winning side because we still working and we still winning 33 and 0 now guess what what you know that range over i got out there dev just got that for me and the last come on man we is big business over here if tank don't want to be a part of it man coach calvin and kenny they at least can keep working hello yeah that's what an oakland player gonna do he's gonna give him an opportunity and i have tanks still in the business then let's get it on he's on the list he's like at the top of the motherfucker but if he ain't working and i think coach kenny said he was in the celebrity boxing now y'all might need to bring me in on that shit though because y'all in that celebrity you against coach kenny coach kenny's a heavyweight oh first of all first of all dimson hella baccoules hey now but listen but so he's so he's doing celebrity he's doing celebrity coaching yeah krishan rock all right because i don't you know i believe because you know my my guarantee is is big i don't i think it might be bigger than the celebrity boxing budget might handle it but if i come in and i bring in somebody that i think has been ian krishan rock maybe we can do something but he say he don't even like uh professional boxing no more though why you think that he didn't lost his taste for who said that coach kenny ellis you got his number two no i ain't got coach kenny number but i'll you got but nobody better i got it's cool let me see you but you can finish with the list though because i don't think tank i until he come back in the business if he's gonna come back in the business yeah and then he'd come up to 147 pounds because i think he fought somebody at 147 pounds before i don't know i think daddy i think he fought barrio said 140 140 huh yeah i don't think he fought it 147 i don't know what you think we should take him off the list huh yeah i think i don't think tank coming up to 147 i don't know yeah yeah but it would be a great fight though update okay so update million dollars a hundred million dollars worth of games okay so let me ask you this question i'm gonna keep him on there let me ask you this question so you won't come down to 144 for chicore right but to make a mega fight against tank davis do you think they ever come down and listen that lightweight money man listen that lightweight money man there's well to weight money but what i'm saying meet that one 44 we're not going back to lightweight we're not going back to lightweight but you know too when you when you fight tank is it's like you getting heavyweight people like i don't know we've been checking it for so long i don't know nobody i think maybe somebody over there they ain't looking very good his opponents don't be looking like they didn't check no money man there's a there's partners i don't know the best partners they've been never hanging either over i ain't gonna see you check some money yeah i you know what i mean i i i guess man you know what i'm saying i think that'll be big but we're not going to 144 pounds for nobody okay not for him or not nobody okay thank you thank you to be fuck with them remember to remember me that's why you whisper that's why you whisper no i ain't whisper i'm saying you right close to me you remember me you argue the biggest about this reason they listen and we argue about this shit i'm taking take me back you know i'm always taking take me voice no you know come on man i'm right here you see he was with their shitty taking no no no we're right you be close you know we always argue about take take ain't it be fuck with take a bad boy he used to have points that could be argued and now you just have no i ain't gotta say too much i ain't gotta say too much take it to be fucking and you basically saying the fight ain't gonna happen so i ain't he gotta say too much well listen i'm almost about ready to take that pen and scratch his ass off the list because i don't even know what we're talking about i don't know if he's in benefit the coach is talking about they doing celebrity boxing they don't like man i don't know is anybody else left on the list let me see i think i did a pretty good job right who who did we forget you i don't know man you know i like i said the honor the honorable mention uh i'll leave that alone we got something we gotta leave something we gotta leave something because remember we're scratching some people off no no so we're gonna break we're gonna break we're gonna break some people off we need to hear that i don't mention bring bring them on right africa was one who was ever richard listen after we didn't after we didn't done what we've done right we put out the list right we didn't try to make the fights happen is there anybody that you see that we should put on it roly roly is on the list roly is on the list what happened between that roly fight apparently i don't know because i i believe none of what i hear in half of what i see yes so when i see is there negotiations for devin haney and roly remarrow the fight and did it was that true yes okay then it then it said devin backed out of the devin backed out of the fight because the money wasn't right was that true well you know money ain't right would mean it would have to be some money when there's no money oh there's nothing right it's crazy now it wasn't even awesome no i'm not gonna say that you know what i mean there's not a great opportunity to do business maybe with pbc and without all that it just i haven't experienced the right opportunity that wasn't the right opportunity was on the table for us you know i mean because even roly said and the world said bet on yourself right well betting on ourselves always meant that our opponent was gonna eat just like jay he had a you know the game back and forth from on first thing he said is that for everybody right so clearly the record will reflect there was nothing on the table for us and our day thing was was eat what you kill right which if you're if the books you want in the books how do we know really what we killing you know what i mean you come back and you say hey the pin here this is what happened like what the fuck is that right so by the time i tried to dive into what the marketing is and all the other shit and try to squeeze it to where it should make sense that that that even the staff on both staffs need to be guaranteed there was a zero guarantee so live on a hundred million dollar game edition we have the money so it was never a chance for that fight to really be made well not with no money right for us right but but in in retrospect in reverse we got money for us and got money for him and anybody else on the list oh so it's not a money issue it's just about who's gonna show up well no it's not it's definitely not a money issue with us you know i mean yeah um i think you know it's fair that each fighter you know going to the stuff that they get paid man yeah they need to get paid and they need to with in devin's case they get paid the most that they didn't got paid or every time so you just got a bunch of checks waiting for people usually from them to show up oh ain't no doubt but you what do you think about a fight between how do you think a fight between dev and gay and twine russell turned out um the russells i respect the russells and everything just didn't have been and boxing you know what i mean he knew jim yeah he's he's rough but there's here's a uh there's a blueprint on him he's lost right i believe so i believe he took a loss oh yeah see i remember at one time i know a negative is just you just you just fear for nothing yeah he's just he's rough he's rough and you don't even fucking know why he is man he's just that something about he's just a scary motherfucker he is one motherfucker pussied me in the back of his head in prison that nigga derms me fucked up for the rest of the system no he is but i'll tell you yeah at one time they don't listen i'm gonna tell you one thing about them though because i know niggas and shit they don't do a bunch of smiling and shit though right so no that's what i know that's the first thing that you got to do at one time i know what you was thinking about didn't dev attempt or want to send over uh the older brother contract well you know what what had happened was that i seen them all back and forth so the older brother called our tarence crawford called our tarence crawford yeah you know what i mean and uh of course dev said if if you'll get out with tarence then you know what i mean how'd you jump past jump past me you know what i mean and uh you know that was something that was that was that was entertaining you know what i mean um but i was i'm just as disappointed in how that worked and the same way as when i talk to kishan you know what i mean those are two experiences that uh you know what i mean i look back on it's like just it was a waste of time so wait wait hold on so you really think that keithan doing all this calling out a dev aheny's name every chance he get and let me remind you keithan is stopping shit not on the same level as dev aheny but he putting shit down you think he bluffing uh i mean don't you know a nigga that shoot different kind of three-pointers than you? every nigga shoot a three-pointer every nigga shoot a three-pointer right it's a different kind of three-pointer you know what i'm saying and um and until he shoot him from the feet uh the dev ahen does until he does it with the kind of competition the dev see we here on my confidence is on the experience right that we've lived you know what i mean not the fantasy that i have in my head it's the experience you know what i mean and my guy been getting in the ring with these guys since he been a kid yeah so for the money ain't nothing funny right that's deep i'm gonna say this man i need to know first of all i am one of the bulls i'm i got a confession to make there been times when me and gill grew up and during our journeys to the will do the jungles of the hood i did gill a couple times like i think we should get out of here the motherfuckers just had the mask broke up so crazy and so professional because you got professional masks dudes that they know how to put the professional mask on and they mean business so i was like i ain't trying to find out if they bluffing or not come on gill let's get the fuck out of here no i fucked him he always been a bitch-ass nigga you get what pussy he wanted them niggas he'd go for that shit but yeah i'm always going for it because he a rough nigga man let's go get on out of here for he's rough he's a bitch that's why god sent him to prison because god like you know you a bitch you know you're not supposed to be out there doing that shit you got a conscience and you're just still going do it it was crazy but listen i need to know from y'all such as now from y'all to y'all the boxing experts i need y'all to put together the top 10 best fighters in boxing right now for the person that don't know that's on the outside that just want to watch a big fight that don't know because a lot of people don't know a lot of people that pay them tickets you want to go first you want me to go first well see the thing about it is you really don't know who they are to me and and i'm i'm i'm i'm judging it on some different shit i'm saying is the motherfucker got to be your favorite if like when have you ever seen jordan didn't deliver or colby didn't deliver on christmas or you know i mean the unexpected flu games or you know i mean does your has your favorite fighter ever been put in a position where they were gonna lose and they won nobody knows who's gonna lose we have ideas who we think won't lose that's what he said that's why i said crawford see i you know now i believe in crawford like a motherfucker and i still believe in him crawford come back and whip on canelo's ass you know i've been looking for you and as soon as i see you i'm gonna say the same thing over and over again canelo i love you but listen crawford he's a different animal and canelo is but it's great that fight is great and every time that i would see i would see bud i would say bud first i called him man can you come meet up he was like man what's up man i said no i just need to talk to you he came to the gym i said it's canelo you said what i said man canelo he said man that motherfucker's big there's a motherfucker i said no bud his head just his head is big he's big here and he got some big ass hands but he's short he got you know i you know i have they look bigger you know i'm saying he's big but he's you know i mean and uh have you seen him got some big ass bricks so that's why it goes back to the heavy bag thing if canelo had a head bud with any of that shit i was sitting right beside y'all was there too it's different the game name of the game is the hit not get hit on the highest highest level that can cost you life you know i mean no matter what the trolls the comments and all the other shit saying right but when you are expected to lose they didn't think bud could do it and he went up and done it that's what i'm saying is that's what makes that conversation in the gym finish that conversation too yeah but but i'm saying is you go with him that's what makes him one of my favorite fighters and he's not even boxing is that i even though i tell him and then i seen him again and i seen him again he said you're right i looked at that motherfucker and everybody thought that he was going to lose canelo the whole team everybody the world thought that he was going to lose that's why he's having amazing time going around the world and and doing all the shit right and it's like now he has that opportunity where he can walk off and the sunset and continue to do that shit or he can come back again because they think it might have been a fluke canelo them because i told him i said i said after everybody was saying this canelo would want to fight him again that it was over with bud doesn't have another opponent i hit bud up and i said the rematch it's the rematch just like i told him instead of Earl Spence everybody wanted him and Earl Spence to go again you know what i'm saying like that wasn't the fight that's not the fight the fight was canelo and still they're going to pay him even more now to come back and why they don't think that he's going to win right so i'm saying is when you talk about your favorite fighter and you talk about a top 10 fighter we need to have seen adversity we need to see some of these things that that would make up what i like about fighters and that's why i'm so crazy about that because i watch him challenge himself over and over again i watch him put himself in the lion's den in the fire and say 10 of the baddest motherfuckers in or around your division or on a list when have any of those other 10 fighters do that and if they say well who are they fighting next well then why are you not fighting them who are you fighting after that you know what i mean listen Shakur's a bad motherfucker at 144 and he's a bad motherfucker at 147 for any of anybody you can't just anybody come up here and sit in the seat i come sit in the seat because i got a bad motherfucker in Devin Haney don't make no mistake about it Shakur's a bad motherfucker and he will cook 99.9 percent of everybody else but out of respect of Shakur and boxing and Jay and out of respect these guys we don't not talk about them we put them on the list and we say this is what we got going we give it to turkey we give it to uh uh uh the other people the new people the old people they get the list the public they get it because they deserve it because they really and truly deserve it have put a lot of time and energy in this shit instead of the old ones come up here in here and let's not talk about this guy let's not talk about that guy let's not talk about how good he is because the people gonna want to watch him instead of watching us right we didn't we didn't we didn't that's not us we go to we go to somebody's fight they know we'll pop up they say all the Haney's is here well you know they say all the way this yeah i'm gonna come in and support i'm coming to support there's not one i support zander zayas and the boots fight you know zander was in that um you know zander that was the honorable mention i know i have that was the honorable mention was zander yeah zander beats boots that's uh uh uh amazing feet that was not i don't think it was not i was saying was in to be boots i don't know if you did no you asked me what i think about okay no i'm saying it before okay here we go how you think the fight is okay watch this this is another example no one believes that zayas is going to be boots zayas has an opportunity to rise learn something about himself the world learns something about him boots beating zayas what does that actually say about boots he he he he he dusted another niggas off that was in his way okay you got some belts you're a champion i need them belts okay now if boots had went up from 147 and went to fight him at 154 for the first time instead of getting his feet wet with the other with other fight because he had a 54 fight right right yeah people would have thought different about it with boots but being that he got the 54 and he got his feet wet they said oh yeah he's official at a 54 he going to so it doesn't necessarily have the same storybook opportunity for boots being a two being a two being a what what is it going to make a two-way division two-way division champion is is about all you know i'm saying i think the verge of now verge of he'd be verge of because of some people that say he's going to lose the verge so that would now have been boots opportunity to shine shock the world learn about himself and all the other shit i think respectfully it's another day at the office for boots now devin going up to 154 can he do it is zander too big is that they expect it's a different level of expectation you see what i mean so i mean when you talk about putting you you putting yourself in that as a fighter putting themselves in that even devin's playing boots i think the general public will see that yes exactly boots is too big exactly exactly so with respect to that since boots is a bad motherfucker then you put boots's name in that same conversation and with someone else go find the motherfucker i don't know that's your off business y'all supposed to find all the bad motherfuckers you're talking about you know he's that bad well tell me ten bad motherfuckers then that's going to give him the opportunity just like you say to to go he deserved it he deserved to be pushed like that because he's talented like that i've watched him go from there do i think that he's he's everything yes but when it comes down to having that opportunity on that day jordan wants to go against the badest niggas kobe wants to ploy what you want to go against the badest niggas and you can only say you know what i mean um you'd be thankful for that opportunity that you have bad guys in around your division because there's some certain divisions like maybe like the light here we there you go k you know what i'm talking about and you don't have these these um these guys which and if you don't have the guys then you don't have the opportunities you don't have the opportunities you don't have the checks so we ain't chasing checks man we're chasing positions what's so crazy is i just told him that he said how zordo ramiro is good i never heard of him i think because he don't got a lot of people in that weight division to fight that's equally as good as him yes yes so so with with benavidez his dad and him you know his i believe in them as well me too i think listen i think he should go up and fight usa i don't know about that i mean wait let's see but i'm saying this but that's that's a little he already jumped up 25 pounds to fight zordo remiss now when you get to you start to fight niggas that weigh 260 you know listen no no that's when that popped a little different that's when he punched you in your fucking hair still no hey i don't see i don't really see nobody given who said and he already said on on the itr episode with devin that dedication isn't born in the light of day it's carved in the quiet hours before the world blinks awake at boris head we rise with a mission to deliver craftsmanship worthy of your table a slice of something special folded into every moment worth savoring because dedication means delivering only the very best boris head committed to craft since 1905 he only has a couple more fights left right you said i mean so if he's at his at his end a couple more fights and then a v-dash is where he's at i don't know man i don't think i don't see anybody who who else do you see fight ucic ucic too slick but he's not he's not just a straight up and down dude he you you're gonna be in there you go through some shitty gonna slit this your bam that's shit coming at a different velocity that's not 200 that's like 240 okay now and know how to punch placement and we talk about know how to get it right there and turn in them fists at the same time of bam no that's a little different and and you know why he's different as well is because when he went up from from light heavy weight right to go up to heavy weight they thought he was gonna lose exactly and he prevailed that's why he's the bad man exactly and then what made so crazy is that he fighting motherfuckers that's really like 40 pounds bigger than him like but he in there stalking the ass like come on but remember he went up from light heavy weight or cruiser weight himself up as a grown man you know what i mean so i just think zordo remaris is a little bit more straight up and down for benavidas then uh then my man my man got footwork he know how to use ring gentleman ship general ship he know how to hit you with that jab he know how to slip counter punch is it remaris was just there like this he was throwing 10 punch combinations his fucking head was right there like a 42 inch flash screen tv on the wall like it's a little different when you give it a who sick like man he should he should uh he should dare to be great man i believe i believe in him his dad um and i don't even i don't think there's a canelo opportunity i don't think that they should wait on that no they're not gonna get that because at the end of the day canelo just seen what he did the let's be for real canelo was a great fighter but canelo moved up to a weight class where we've seen his weakness when he went to 175 we seen bivou basically beat canelo alvarez with a fucking jab bam bam bam you step in i'ma step back bam one two bam one two bam bam and that's all he did all night you know what bivou and benavidas that's not that that would be a good one now that would be a that would be some shit see and then too now when when you look at canelo alvarez now we looking at a shell of canelo alvarez we're not looking at the canelo alvarez that will corner you and throw a seven eight punch combination now he walking up and going huh like that's it like might might try to slip something hit you with it but other than that he just walked through them things no he don't that's he never he never do nothing like he know i'm not gonna get him got worked the fuck out of shit and i like not like you know what it is you know how i live with the dead i work you know what the journey man he never had all that punch that nigga that's what i hate about him he always does he's like he never seen a nigga get punched he fell right he looked up at the nigga and rolled up under the car no this this the whole thing nigga was up under the car like to lose left yeah and the nigga had a dead eye no you know what the nigga on the nigga on the nigga shit was like this he only had one for these blotches shit up bam then he turned around looked at me i was one of the few times i ain't jumping i ain't do nothing i ain't fucking with you sell like a 22 one off when he hit low because he actually told mike tyson this shit mike tyson was laughing for half an hour i'm like mike you just gonna laugh and say wow it was funny like he rolled under the car like you believe in this shit that's it you see like he worked with jiffy lou b everybody fucking need oil to change my whole thing is this man this is my whole thing y'all still i don't need these long explanations i need 10 fighters that's the best fighters in boxing right now and elaborate if these if any of these hold up and elaborate if any of these 10 fighters is is a part of the greatest boxes in the history of life these my 10 fighters no order taryns crawford jaron blue tennis devin haney chicory stevenson usik bam who is bam see you he's a bad motherfucker just knew that he's a bad anyway better than better than vidas better than vidas i'm gonna say key shone davis and i'm gonna say for my 10th month scooter i can't say screw you just lost to ushiaki the fuck they gotta do i'm gonna get on my 10 my 10 is shocked i'm missing somebody who i'm missing bill you know i have a different like i said i have a different criteria so it's kind of hard for me to get to 10 no it's not no it's not it's hard for me to get to 10 uh just like just like gilly it's it's hard to i'm gonna say theory i support i think he proved himself alone and i think to be i think i'm gonna throw him in the top 10 because to be the linear champion and then to leave boxing a linear champion me like he the top dog like and then to leave boxing and go snort cocaine and fuck cookers and drink brusquies and go up the damn near 600 pounds and then come back at that weight and say all you fucking heavyweights is bumps i'm a fat motherfucker right now i'm about to lose weight and i'm about to come beat all y'all asses and actually did that shit i gotta throw you in there now because a motherfucker would have tried that shit and mike Tyson there that nigga would have died imagine you took a break start snort some yoyo you drinking brusquies fucking hookers and then come back and fight mike Tyson at 21 you're you're gonna fucking die buddy so i'm a little tyson fury in there yeah um of course i'm gonna go with with with devin start with devin chicor um but well bud is in fighting right now he'd be back about the 200 million okay all right well bud for sure canelo benavides um usik joshua um how many was that what i was like six six six man it's tough man it's tough um wilder are we saying top top ten just favorite just your top 10 my top 10 you think the top 10 is in boxing okay no wilders wilders right now he's he's um he's getting back so uh shit man i don't i don't pretty much the rest of those guys man you know what i mean i know boxing you know what i'm saying the rest of me is untested yeah i know i know boxing i know a lot of it is is is matchmaking right your company right if this fighter is with this company then you're matchmaking the best fights sometimes for the fighter to to grow his brand or the fighter to get back on a loss or whatever it is you know what i mean um but yeah i don't have i don't have a bunch of them like that i think i think anyway i think anyway it's it's also you don't like bam and bam i think both of y'all lost your mind oh no i'm through tanking it too yeah y'all i was really snack y'all through tanking it i ain't got tanking all this y'all tripping but tank he been fighting so you know you gotta say out of mine that's what that's what it was you know what i mean and then and then his his his trainers is doing you know celebrity boxing and shit you'd lay lay up off the old age no i'm gonna say this i'm gonna give y'all my 10 fighters if you're gonna start to go find me they're just including you know i mean i get it out you know you know i'm gonna drop something off all right but listen i'm gonna sit Baltimore down the rule and you're gonna go down here but listen i want some good men down in Baltimore so you know what i mean i love this i don't have nothing i'm gonna say this though let me give you all my top 10 matter of fact listen uh but we we are gonna do a giveaway though today though right we're gonna go somewhere you definitely feel somewhere huh you don't go you know i mean you go we can go to Baltimore too though with it now i'm definitely gonna take you somewhere but i'm gonna say this i'm gonna give y'all my top 10 fighters of all time this is mine joe frager boot tennis he said of all time yeah i thought he went hold up hold up hold up uh mike titan first of all let me take it back joe frager Muhammad Ali boots in his mike titan that's so crazy and i'm a boots fan like what that sounds like no these are fucking animal uh you gotta say these guys i fought that guy like me and boos was in the ring together that's different all the dudes i sparred with him that's different dandy Garcia uh fuck you you might as well throw bennard hopkins in there too bennard he was in jail with you no he wasn't in jail he was before me bennard um sugary robinson um jack johnson he's a legendary fighter man you got taken boots in there with the niggas man shut the fuck up they make history they they like this even boos even in truth you shut the fuck up now i'm taking i just threw my list out there he's been booting in with jack johnson man what's your favorite fight oh um we'll take iconic summer moments deserve an iconic drink reach for mountain dew an american original from its beginnings in the foothills of tennessee to your biggest summer yet the refreshing citrus kick of mountain dew is the perfect companion to your american summer adventures enjoy the refreshing citrus kick of mountain dew tasting great since 48 but for mountain dew in stores near you at mountain dew dot com that's mountain dew dot com vegas when he when he stopped ryan goes here she was jumping i loved it i was at all you understand i went i went to the people i've them three people i the most fighters i went to your boy tank in chicory what's your favorite fight with um with drum when he fought the boy veela had him bleeding like a pig in the slaughterhouse wasn't that dude named veela i think he died and came back to life i don't know um some shit happened i'm allegedly um you know my favorite my favorite joint with your boy with death that's also where i listen listen because i didn't understand you gotta stand this is me still early and i didn't understand that this dude was so powerful uh this is when they really start hating death when we was in vegas that time what's my man that loman chico yes that was my favorite joint that's that's the favorite joint i'll ever that was a real fight that's what he was in there that was a battle remember we had we had we went the one early in the game out in like vigenia or something or that was one of my favorite fights with the overhand right uh oh bam put him to sleep dc you know we were talking about i thought you was talking about one scooter and uh which name one and you uh remember we went down here to see devon when he knocked the boy out with the overhand told him around yeah told him around i remember that bam yeah we was dead man yeah so so you know i mean i've been to some i've been to some i've been to some unbelievable fights man you know i mean i think i'm getting up there in my boxing knowledge i think but i only like popular fighters uh if i gotta figure out he like the classical chemistry and shit no no no i don't like to start this game no he said he even said he said you're casual he said you're casual no he's a fucking group you know he said people just think about this just think about this he a grown ass man as a grown ass man he just said i only like the popular fighters only like fighters i know some action gonna go think about that shit man that shit was born a lot of little fucking zesty man that was like you you a fucking high school chili i don't need like the star basketball player like what the fuck you talking about listen did he look in in bill eyes as he's saying that shit i only like the popular fighters he tripped in bill i'm gonna stop it what's the name john we take him to uh or we can take him to uh go deep down take him to uh lean in him john herkin him with the wings and all that shit we go to libycat we gonna take it on this some good good brothers he'll eat meat though you don't eat you don't eat only fish yeah that's why it's a salmon cheese thing environment is good though too yeah i eat eight sides and shit like that yeah they got corn and all that but you'll let these brothers see they're gonna love you they'll love him yeah but we need we can start going and because this all gonna be an episode we can come on we out we go we start filming this shit you already know we're about to go hit the streets now bill said he want to donate man he said he wanted come to film and look out for some people so we're about to kick it man in the streets man we're in the heart of north philadelphia man you see we build that right here with us yeah uh oh still the hundred million dollar gang addition and a pop of collars niggas like oakley niggas tell me when the guy tell me when the guy you know when you got the best part in the world the system right now you come to philadelphia and i'm feeling like it's really wow hit away they treat me you did yeah absolutely that's what it is yes you see you got bill handy down north man appreciate you know what i mean he came to the city so i'm gonna go i'm gonna go see the city i want to go crazy i want to feel the people i want to touch the people so we brought him down north delicious i'm going yeah he like he at home as you can see yeah me hey listen man gillian wallow man showed up and showed out man brought me to the hood where it's good this is why a lot of beat man right here with the people what question you got axi mcbawson question i'm serious axi mcquestion this is made out of a game man what some real shit it's a real shit you really think that death is ready for chicory ready for chicory chicory well what chicory get ready for i love chicory i'm a death fan too but i love chicory you think chicory's ready only thing no they can get there they they're meeting the middle be like 144 you know chicory's is is is extremely talented fighter good fighter he's always has been um you know to be about when he's ready when he's ready to come up to 147 and invite but we are missing but we know he ain't getting there he said you know he ain't going to dead he only gonna go to 144 he said it and that's in the middle and that's in the middle of a beat to sit out that he did it and that's in the middle i think well i think though the what we got what we got earlier with jay was that it's a it's a chance that he's going to uh beef up what did how do you how do you describe we talked to jay prince from the beginning about it he said you know when the time is right you know what i mean we're gonna make it out that's good that's a good fight that'll be great we ain't got a real more real questions down here in north illy yeah we got a real question come on come on keep it going i like you because you're a background but i still like who i like in boxing right yeah i'm bud out i think he nobody can touch him i think he's the best ever that's just me bud i agree i agree i agree that um bud is is something special you know what i mean i believe that bud i believe that he's gonna come back and he's gonna beat canelo again i think you know what i mean let me ask you a question debon heinie or jaron boots in what you mean if they fight each other yes they have a take i don't like i'm not really a boots fan i like boots because he's family but wait hold on hold on see this we have a little talk i like to talk i like to talk y'all talk y'all talk that's what i said with when y'all done with debon is done the earth is our turf because what we do it we've done it respectable enough that you know what i mean i'm gonna take i like to fight us i love and dev more of a technical fighter than the booster me i love the father and you i told you that that boots nigga special no tell you bud is special that's special yes well that's that's that's special right there what i asked him was and i and i and respectfully i said how many times have you seen boots in a fight that you thought that he was gonna lose i ain't never seen one okay i did how many times how many times you get hit too much from bombs how many times have you seen him in a fight that the people thought that he was gonna lose a lot listen like three boxing is about throwing punches i'm gonna tell you what you're all down here down on down down with down the joint with the sixes play i was there and he got hit too much bro okay let me just i'm not saying he didn't win summer saiyan but he got hit too much no no no okay hold on let me just say this going into it let me just say going into it let me just say this right good you gotta get off the foolish it good i'm not ono silly feel i just okay okay for you to say a fighter get hit too much right okay okay just tell me one fight i'm gonna tell you why listen no because if a fighter get hit too much i'll tell you why bro i'm gonna let you talk and then i'm gonna get off my attention man is sure i gotta get it off so we this is the guy that's talking about fighting bud cross the bud cross right if you're being touched by these people we never heard before what you think bud gonna do you talk about people that's right wait hold on hold on can i say something else you talk about people that's right number two in the world that come from the fucking cat chakas stand of course you ain't hurting that nigga but you don't gotta be you don't they heard of that nigga over there dude you don't gotta fight nobody bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro i let you talk now it's my turn my nigga get off okay you say a nigga get hit too much a nigga that get hit too much cannot leave every fucking fight and go to the fucking club and you not know he was in a fucking fight tell me one time boots ended a fucking fight and you knew he was in a fucking fight once again that because that matter bro you just say that matter bro that matter that matter you just say i'm noticing that nigga get hit too much how do i think i get hit too much in the boxing match and after every fight he can go to the club and you wouldn't know he was in the boxing match sure no i don't listen why no no no i'm not the boxing dude like i only know the last three people before i only know the boxing dude stanionis was ranked that's one he was a world stand no world that's one and who's the other uh chachakas chachak whatever his name is and who's the other he did he got mandatory to fight him again yeah he didn't want to fight the nigga again now name the niggas that but they didn't be roman dola their name is that but they made him look and made them look the same exact way boof made the bums look i don't i don't who did he fight that bud ain't bud saying they did from weight classes cool no they they were the same weight class when bud was supposed to fight first of all and he didn't fight him that's how you want to fight him first of all first of all that's how it went first of all let me just see this right the the big knock on bud his whole career was he didn't fight nobody before julius and dongo before vita postal the best 40 he fought to date was damn boring right until we fought errol spence right until we fought errol spence that's two hell of a friend bro if you're not gonna let a nigga talk man then we can't have a conversation brother talk get your shit off man because you talking about spence you talking about he was already 30 fucking eight fights in right right but when he got a chance to prove he was great he proved it right can i give time am i right it's my turn the differences with bud bud tried everybody that was somebody that's the difference that's the difference how you had the chance to fight crawford you did you chose not to and that's what he that's what crawford for porter look that up you're crazy bro that's fact first of all let me ask you a question bill can you stand being on me on this because they don't want to listen bro if i'm gonna show that's how you wanted to fight porter bro this is a guy that just like to talk he don't know shit about boxing bill that i'll ask you a question can i ask bill a question go ahead if you guys debon he and he's on the zone you think they taking a fucking check from black vision oh come on over the black vision what's the name of that shit that was here for two fights black black prime you think they letting debon he you're probably a disowned fight take a fucking check from black fucking prime who's been here for two weeks but see this is what i said before i'm not talking about wait wait wait i'm not talking about debon he ain't even so i'm talking about him being signed as his own like chicory signed to them like this person you think they saying okay go take a fucking check from black vision that's my question this is why i'm saying this i love a dris give me some more water everything that he's doing i love profit i love them dream when it comes to make those legacy defining fights those that's a freezer big that's in the could he make the fight or not could he have fought the fight or not on black prime i'm saying this it's not about that can you fight the can you fight the fight that's it so you think i'm saying no i'm asking i'm so no this is what we think boots you know you think he said yeah i know he said yeah to everybody i didn't have anything fuck you talking about you better do your resume you better check your fucking resume boots is that nigga for real i don't know what fucking eyes you're looking at he that nigga from real he's that nigga for real i think he can stand in front of anybody nigga what you think anybody y'all being real isn't that this book is standing in front of profit man i've watched trains no man he's a monster no man he's standing in front of no fucking i'm across both his big brothers and i think no and i think i think crawford is the go hey guys it's big cat when you're on a long road trip traveling between cities anything can happen flat tires endless traffic stopping to see a 50 foot wooden alligator but i suspect everything actually happens for a rhesus like is grit week really a time to visit different training camps or is it just an excuse to check out different places to get a rhesus and when we stop to fuel up or are we really stopping to refuel on a rhesus after countless miles thinking about chocolate and peanut butter it all starts to make sense that everything happens for a rhesus but i think boots could stand in front of anybody but grow anybody but anybody but any bite but any bite but grow that's your opinion let me ask you when has they just said they just said never any could stand in front of brian norman two of one ago you said it out your mouth it didn't nigga went down it was like this this boxing bro what when you come to rilladelphia and you come to oakland you come you gotta you gotta stand on it if a motherfucker is who you are then at some point in time you're gonna show the people because the people don't believe you can do it right i asked i said this i said it boots is who i think is and boz who i believe is go at everybody and anybody that they say that you can't beat on any network or any turf don't matter who people back don't fucking matter fight what matters what matters is that's the fuck that you're gonna be more man that's it everybody all i'm saying that you're not now i'm just saying this all i'm saying who's that you're gonna do it we're with australia bro it's australia no it's the difference between you know with business that's all i'm saying is the difference between on business and being a nigga from no filly just saying just go and fight just do it like like he ain't got business people that's saying no my nigga you know them no one's gotta add up man if that's the case victor virtual or d4 be fighting boots right now right because he want to fight boots but it's promoter like nigga we'll go to court first nigga before you fight boots right so it's not just that simple they gotta fight him fight him you mean to tell me he's a business bro you mean to tell me i am you mean to tell me if you're one of the biggest boxing promotions in the game in a boxing promotion that just come out of nowhere and is here for two months it's like oh we doing one fight with chance crawford and we want to fight boots you think they're letting that shit go down bro i want to let me go down bill fuck another gotta make sense he won't let us you ain't letting your son just fight bill out he can't stand that right i'm tell me never fooling the fucking black vision no you didn't know what i'm saying is we've taken every day no i'm saying this you gotta take a chance you gotta take a chance you gotta take a chance what the real bro bro and we went australia bro why today i'm telling you it's white hold on wait wait wait come on bro let's just be for real we got these cameras on yes i'm making right i've been in the devenheny house that shit was like three years ago man that nigga had three million dollars in cars lined up out there and then said i gotta take you up to my other house that was in a different state that nigga they get no pennies to go to australia that big good nigga like bill sit here i got another car thank you i just got the big rover thank you son i got the v12 thank you said each other when you do it for the money shit everything bill negotiates that's why i said another fucking money yes what a question when you're a dad when you're a dad you just can't be like your son's like you think bill she let it settle you travel 46 000 miles to australia to fight a nigga for a little bit of money no he did hey then i got paid millions but what i'm saying is and it get real loud what i'm saying is when did your favorite fighter stand a chance to lose just all i'm saying why no if you believe in him why is he not putting himself in his team putting him in a self well position just wait a minute i'm just like jord you're just like jord for canola they didn't think of buzz to the chance he don't want to say jordan when he first met i was the only one thing he's gonna knock him the fuck out hey nobody believe it i'm the only one said that not me the only one said that okay i've been in the gym with bud i've been in the gym with you know my brother's great if you know my brother's great canelo spence made him good yeah but canelo canelo made him great okay if you leave it up if you leave it up to the guy that promotes boots he says boots is the hardest fighter in the game of the fight what is he's not supposed to say i mean i mean he boots walk right in the ring virgin what's up it's time he said i don't want to fight virginity is right now i want to win a belt i want to become champion he's fighting for legacy soon as he became champion why don't you go get what's up virginity now is the time why i think the time now because he was gonna punch him in the fucking coma that's why it is promoter said before i see you go in a coma and i lose my fucking middle ticket nigga we go in the court nigga all right yeah all right yeah you think that young and i'm looking in this camera right now turn around in this camera right now turn around in this camera right now turn around in this camera right now what's up what's up with your last much he's not nigga you're going to see turn it back around i think he's great i think boots is great i just don't think he's a crosser if boots what it's you boots can be like this all fight bam bam i heard but but boost shoes is it but boost shoes to say come on let's get the pocket i'm from i'm from philly nigga yeah i'm from philly you stand in the pocket and let him fucking grow man y'all that got a hundred to him with your fights y'all professional fights yeah you won't be fucking caught i like yo boots is good pro for i want i think he's the greatest i think pro for is the greatest let me ask you this question it's a difference let me ask you this question boots is good i think puffers the bridge do you think deba haney is great hey bro that's your life no i think i'm gonna work with him i don't think he's great yet i think you can do it at 20 of the you see how much work he's done yeah at 20 cities where it works same thing like hold on hold on at 26 years old no not work on nothing he's a three weight right now right champion in a unified in a because look what's the one you got all of this one i'm this one you got all undisputed he like the fifth boxer in the youngest boxer yeah in boxing history to become an undisputed champion so when we talk him right now all we're talking is opinions so my opinion is i need to see the you're going right now fight Shakur i need to see the because the Shakur is now good question but i'm gonna tell you why i'm gonna tell you why because Shakur is now Shakur is now he's great okay okay so let me ask you he's only great i don't want to see about i think he's great right i want to see him with me it's not off for you for it's how we fight okay okay but let me ask you my how we fight but let me ask you a question but let me ask you a question because i'm not talking about now because i'm talking about my opinion on how you fight what i like i like to take no fight this shit's not making no sense this is why i like bums right he's saying this thing is saying Shakur is great it's sure is great because that's my nephew i fuck with all of them they really got a lot of but hold on he's great but i'm not talking about accomplished or who he for hold on wait but boots in great 35 mother fuck i'm way too 32 i don't think boots is better than Shakur that's my opinion but hold on on one hand you say on one hand he said LeBron better than Mike too i dance you said that see i can't talk i really said that and i'm standing on that and i'm standing on that shit he's not even fucking argument what we can't even argue that yo you know nothing it's not even fucking Michael Jackson was a better singer than r kelly he's not he's not he is like the word i'm gonna fuck by no r kelly he ain't no mike we got we got not no michael jackson but we got y'all crazy two perspectives where he's so fucking michael jackson over and over again he likes crawford he likes uh a Shakur might be here we're diving a little bit right but one thing that i think that we can agree on that he seems to not agree on this he says boots is the killer that Devon should never fight. I don't think that, I don't think he's as good. See, see, he buys, he don't, I don't know what's going on. He was a dead-end philly nigga. Hey, how about buying? I buy it! I buy it! I buy it! I buy it! You gotta understand, you gotta understand, right? You gotta understand, you gotta understand, right? You gotta understand, right? Everything I said it was. We got a certain breed of nigga called the angry Philly nigga. That they just argue with you, I don't like stripe socks. I don't like yellow nikes. That's him. That's him. No. I don't like grapefruit machine. It's just my bigot. I don't like grapefruit. I don't like blue pool or hoodies. Yo, yo, I don't like blue pool or hoodies. Yo, let's talk about the other side of Philly, Bill. He said he ain't a killer. Can we talk about the other side of Philly? When one person say something, everybody say it? No, no, no. That's not me. You said it, no, no, but you said it. Describe the technical killer, man. You saw him kill a boxer. I want to ask you a question. I want to ask you a question. I want to ask you a question. Technical, oh, technical. What does it mean? Shakur is a technical fighter. What does that mean? That means he will beat your ass off points. Simply, and nothing else. That makes sense. Wait, when we talking boots, hold on, I ain't done. He didn't go there with Devin. When we talking boots, like I said, I'm consistent. He get touched too much to be a fucking technical fighter. Okay, so give a joint with Devin and... and Boots. Devin is technical. The shit that Boots do, I think a lot of them shots be wild. And I think Devin's a technical fighter and he can pick it apart. I'm not saying he would not boost out. I'm just saying he's a technical fighter. That's my opinion. This is my opinion. We said Boots was the killer. I just made y'all find niggas right here. That's my question. If there was a nigga in the hood and he had 35 fights, and he knocked 32 niggas out. What they got to do with technical? They don't got nothing to do with technical. I'm asking you a question. He just said he ain't a killer. What you said on the street. We look at it as... Because he's more technical than I'm doing. We the same fucking way I agree. That's my whole point. 32 heavy bags. What you talking about? You said that? He asked me what I agreed. You weren't saying the fighters... I'm saying when you had... I'm saying when you had on that thing... What you talking about? So... So Stan Yonis is a heavy bag? Stan Yonis is a heavy bag. Listen, I'm going to tell you this. Stan Yonis is a heavy bag. Definitely he's a heavy bag. Wait, wait, he's not a technical fighter? Or is he right there? We see technical... We see technical... We see technical fighters can beat every day now. Let's not act like we don't see technical fighters. Get the fucking ass with it. I'll give you my point. Was he right there? Was he right there to be hit? I'll tell you this. The way y'all looking at me right now... Listen, if I turn... One fighter stands in the pocket in exchange with niggas. The last time I checked with other Haiti and a certain fucking pocket, we're low on check or he was getting fucking hit. I'm the nigga that's just this skill that's trying to fucking hit him too. What the fuck is you talking about? What you saying, Bill? I said... That makes sense. You looking around? Bam, okay. Bam, bam, okay. Step to the body, okay. You step in, I step out, okay. I'm way athletic than all of you niggas. I choose violence, nigga. I would've put a nigga to sleep. He gonna choose violence with Crawford. Shut up! Shut the fuck up! He gonna choose violence with Crawford. He's bad now, he gonna kill him. Stop, man. Don't say no dumps. Stop, man. Tell me one fight that he ever come out and nigga is a warm-up fight. You know what happened? Listen, just tell me one fight that he come out and from round one... Thank you, bro. From round one. What you doing? He get hit too many times. He get hit too many times. He get hit too many times. I didn't include him. I didn't include him. For a person that's getting hit so much, as they say, right, that you ever see him not on that camera with Hickeys and Wicked? Anything. I've never seen it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Better yet, better yet. Yo, I'm not saying it. For the fighters I like, boo. Post-fight, not look like himself when he walked in the ring. So what the fuck are you talking about? This is what I'm saying, boo. Just what I'm saying. For the fighters I like, for the fighters I like, he take too many fucking chances to beat him. Fuck is you talking about? For the bosses I like, he take too many fucking chances to beat him. Fuck is you talking about? Take the chance and get across. He will not get the fuck out. You don't see the difference. You do not see the difference. Easy. What about the fight? I'm rival, boo. I'm rival, boo. I'm rival, boo. You niggas is the specable man. No matter what. I'm on a Philly nigga. He get hit too much. He ain't never seen him cut. He ain't never be hate. When you talking to him, he ain't never be hate. If he get hit too many times, he get hit too many times. That's it. I'm gonna rock out with booze no matter what. But the truth can never be hate when you talk to the truth. Who is he to fight now? A fighter get hit too much. At the end of the fight, they just look like they got hit too much. They don't look regular. The back niggas will go from the fight to the club. And if you didn't know he was in a fight, he'd be right in the air like this. He don't fight nobody. This is my whole thing. You wouldn't even know he was in a fight. We got two types of niggas. We got regular Philly niggas and we got angry Philly niggas. I don't like great hoodies. I don't even know what days means before I don't like that shit. Listen. Listen. So you gotta know what you dealing with. I don't got ounce of hate in my blood. Not one drop. Listen. Ain't no way I can see a nigger doing great and be like, no, but nigger, that's hate, nigger. That's hate, nigger. He's a great nigger. 35 and over 30. Explain hate to me again. Explain hate to me again. I'm lost. Why do people say it? Explain hate again. No, Mike. No. That's Mark. That's Mark. That's Mark. This is crazy. 30 times. I don't even fuck about Mark. Y'all said some crazy shit. This one fucks me up. Y'all said he didn't fight nobody. Do you understand that the ring order takes one punch? We tell him one punch. Everybody is somebody that's on the ring. You act like he just forced some niggas down Joe Frazier's right now. He fucked people up. He want that Joe Frazier. You don't see a man getting that Philly doogalounds for less. Fuck you. Fuck you. Thank you, brother. It's boots going in the hall of fame. Yeah. Right now? No, hold on. I ain't talking right now. It's here, it's here, legend. Like, come on, come on, man. You see him on top. What is, what's going on? Hold on. He's not going to hold the fame. He's not going to make it to the whole thing. He's not going to back to the hall of fame and stop right now. Do we give? All right. Let me hear it. So he's doing a great job of building up his resume to fight in that big fight yet. And he hasn't fought in that big fight. But in that big fight when I keep saying to you guys this. This is going to go on shit, y'all. I don't mean to cut you off, but who will be his big fight? Well, it's just going to be a big fight that the people believe that is a big fight. He stands a chance to lose. Crawford would have been a big fight. Now, if he go after Canella or he do some shit that warrants it, but until then he's going to have 34 and 35. Why should he go after Crawford or Canella? Because they didn't go after them bigger fighters until they got late. I just thought of it. I thought I would just I'm throwing about Crawford. How old is Crawford? 35. What's a good fight? What's a good fight? What's a good fight for Boots and I know what I'm talking about. It's 27. But the difference is Crawford was asking them to fight him. They didn't want to fight him. That's the difference. We've seen this a thousand times when they all want to fight Crawford. You've seen that with your eyes. What the fuck are you talking about? And Harold states, what the fuck are you talking about? Brian said that niggas tough, man. All these fighters want to fight each other. They've been fighting since they were kids, bro. I wouldn't let them fight. You ain't gonna let them fight. You ain't gonna let them fight. I don't give a fuck. You ain't gonna let them fight. You're not gonna fight anybody. But the money gotta be right. Listen, if you can fight without that money, it gotta be right. If you can shut me up, then you're gonna shut the money up. Whoever you put it in the ring, I'm gonna keep talking. Money is the best in the world. If you can't fight, then the money gotta be right. Why can't you fight Shaku? No, they just gotta shut the fuck up like they talking right now. They better not say nothing, because we're fighting for the position to make the money. You'll fight for the position? Money in position is the same. I respect that. But Booster's a dog. Of course he is. So when you want Booster to come down, you're a 40-setter. I'm a manager. I don't have them up for mode. You're a manager. Now, I'm gonna just say a name. Is he a killer or not? Jerome Boots Ennis. He's a billionaire. He what? He's a chump. Is he proven? He's a chump. He's a millionaire. He what? Hold on. Just like choosing a show to stream, choose from to help you find coverage that best fits your needs. Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with a personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by a customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. That's too long to thank him. He said he battle tested. He said he battle tested. He said he battle tested. Hold on. No, no, no, no. Crawford ain't Crawford. He live and die of Crawford. No, that's not his fighter. That's not his fighter. Shakur is his fighter. Shakur is his fighter. Hey listen, J Prince, hold up. Hold up. These boys out here, J Prince, everybody keep asking Bill Haney, we down in Philly in the hood. They like, when is him and Shakur going to fight? Everybody went that fight. He said he's going to come to the... He said he wanted to. He said he wanted to. He said he'd go to 8. He said he'd go to 8. He said he'd go to 8. I even asked him to meet me here for you. I said I'd go up 8. Go up 8 pounds. 12 pounds. He's going to come 8 up. My big brother, I know he didn't talk to me once you go up. You never go back down. No. No. No. No. You hear that shit? Hold up. You hear that? Hey, hey, hey. Prince was thinking, damn, I almost had him. No. No, I already know Bill got a beat up. Bill, Bill, now playing. J didn't lay it off. J didn't lay it off for me to play it out, man. You know, he didn't lay it off for guys like us. We don't play it off to you. We're a gang. That's why I... I've been here for a long time. He's just a bunch of problems. Hey, J, I heard you laughing. That was one of them joists like, damn, I forgot I tore them that one. I don't know what you're talking about. He was still going at night for that last night. I'm going to hit you up, J. I want to see you, man. Hold, hold, hold, hold, hold. And he's dead. I got you. You was the best thing that you all have going. I got you. I got you. I got Bill. I got Bill. If Shakur got to come up, them seven pounds, they've got to come up to the seven pounds and 154. If it's going to happen because he's not coming to help, so we're going to come up. He already said that, but at the same time though, out of respect because he is who he is, is why you go up and try to do it. That's the era we come from. That's the Ray Leonard era. As you go up, not when it's good. So I'll say to you, outside of there, who else? No, huh? Fondour. Fondour. No, no, no, no, no, no. Well, we're going to see Boots fight. Fondour, Virgil Ortiz, Devin Haney, Ortiz, Ortiz, I don't think he's going to be a king. I want him to win. Ortiz, I want Boots to win. That's just the bottom line. No, it's only two. I want to see them fight. I just wanted one Boots to fight. I don't want to see no Fondour. I don't want to see Fondour. They don't want to see Fondour. They don't want to see Fondour. They fight Benevitas, man. Fight some fucking body, man. I want the big monster. That's not your definition. They can get quiet. Boots said he wants Fondour. Boots said he wants everybody. Fondour is a duck. If he don't get out. That's what I'm saying. You got to take no chances. Boots wants Fondour. Exactly. Fondour is a good... I'm down. No, no, no. I want to tell you, though. Boots, to me... This is what I don't respect. Right? Three fights from now, he be running around. Boots said nigger. No, dawg. No, no, no. Stand on the side of the fence. Stand on the side of the fence. Stand on that side of the fence. Stand on that side of the fence. Hold on. I know somebody get Boots to fight. You can't do so. I'm with 35 fights. Listen. This is what I don't respect. Listen. This is why I don't respect his boxing. This is why I don't respect his boxing. Why? He ain't going to the hall of fame. He's got the belts. First of all, no one to beat the division champion. Go to the hall of fame. No, no. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. He's not done yet. That's what I'm saying. He's not going nowhere. He's just... He just said, tell him to fight little Benavidez or something. Yeah. Wait, wait. He beat a nigger named Stan Jonas that was a champion that was number one in the world. And it still wouldn't have meant... If he beat Benavidez, it still wouldn't have meant more. That's why I said don't be mean to nothing. It still wouldn't have meant more if he beat Benavidez. I know this shit. It still wouldn't have meant more. You fuckers, you talk about it. It still wouldn't have meant more. It still wouldn't have meant more if he beat Benavidez. You got to know what you're talking about. He's been talking about... When he was champion... I think the talk... He was number one. Boots was number two. That don't mean nothing. He's saying let him fight a nigger that's never been ranked in the top. If he would have beat Benavidez, it would have been more respect on his name than the fucking boy that was Sanchez. The name. The name. I know this shit. You know what the fuck he's gonna do. Guess what, old man? He's gonna fight. I think he's gonna beat his ass. I'm feeling what you're talking about. Let me tell you something. Old heads like you and niggers like him that doubt you know what I keep. It ain't doubt. You know what I keep. I keep a little bit of wham. Guess what, dawg? You too? We ain't silly. We're a bunch of niggers that don't deserve to get on every fucking day. I keep a little bit of wham. Is we not? Are we not infallibly where a bunch of niggers get on that don't deserve to be on? Are we not? Can I say this? Rap City got canceled many years ago. Man. You're rapping nigger. You think that Puerto Rican gonna be boots? That Mexican gonna be boots? I ain't say that. Whatever that I say is on Draft King. I give them to you nigger. I don't think that. You think it over here? I think it will be over here. OG, you motherfucker peoples with Bill. We can bet some money. I give you the money now and then you send it back to me when he loses. I would. But I shout to people when they get knocked out. Because it shows. Niggers get on every day of killing ass politics. It don't be the talent. See, see, let me just say this. Let me just say this. If it was the talent, a lot of shit would be different. Can I say this right? No disrespect. But these are the niggers I stay away from. Niggers get on because of God, nigger. And because of the work they put in nigger. And no politics nigger. It's 2026. You can get off from your living room nigger. I'm gonna hit that. That's your politics. I stay far away from niggers. That make up excuses. Wildlow came home from jail in 20 years. I come from that line. I come from that line. I don't gotta make excuses. I come from that line. No politics, no nothing. You tripping. You talking to me or being? You talking to me or being? I come from that line. I don't gotta make no excuses. I come from this. You see, when you are with a youngest undisputed three division champion. No politics. You don't have to do all that. Tripping. The $100 million worth of game edition. Live in the backyard of Philadelphia. Who? Name one person got on because of politics. That would be hate. Because you can't. You don't gotta fight Crawford to be the shithead. The sort of that is hate. How many niggers that don't make no excuses? I don't make no excuses. There's a lot of G's out here. I don't make no excuses. There's shit don't mean nothing. There's a lot of G's out here that's corny niggers. That don't mean nothing. There's a lot of G's out here that's soft, that's tender for bitches. Yeah, they kill niggers, get money, but they kill niggers. So that don't mean nothing in 2026. I'm a G. That shit don't mean nothing to me, man. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Hey B-Y, we talking about what's going on. Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. Go up to make the fight with boots. Shit, he go up? Yeah. Why he shouldn't go up? I mean, it's a risk. Hold up, can I ask you a question? Who the greatest player they ever played basketball? Lebron Jett, disease. Is you biased though? Because you was agent? I'm not biased, no. Why is he better than Michael Jordan? My patrol never had to endure. No, no, no, no, no, no. Get that shit out. Get that shit to fuck up, dude. No, you haven't fucked up government. Get the Michael Jordan. This is why you can't leave with that. But Lebron has never had to play. Fuck this, he's not the problem. Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Hey Bill, hold up. Hold up. One minute, one minute. One minute, one minute. Hey, right here, Ritz, come here. Hey Gil, hey Ritz, come to the camera, Rich. Yo, y'all got my OG with y'all. Max, come on, y'all. What's up, Rich?哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 You can add that. That makes sense. You can add it. We always say that LeBron's a better player. But Mike's the best. Yeah. Mike's never played a game seven, huh? Listen to the hold up, y'all. When it counted, he won a championship. That's when it went. When the ball was in the game. And you went to change. He just said it. Man, Mike wasn't playing. Mike played one Hall of Fame team. LeBron playing four fucking teams. Hold up. Listen. Just listen. Listen. Uh-uh. All of them say this. I know we get to arguments and debates, and everybody buys. I'm not biased. Michael Jordan's my favorite player growing up. LeBron would hit the league. Hold up. What I'm making is, as you dissect a basketball player, just like you would dissect a boxer, if a nigger just got a great uppercut, OK, great. If he landed great. But if everything else is not good, I'm taking this other guy. I'm taking this other guy. That's a great one, though. That's a good point. What is this? Oh, there you go. When the game is trying to be played, who you want to hit at ball? He said it, Mike. All right, let me hit. He's a good one. One thing. One thing. That's a good one. Come on, chef. No, no, no. I didn't say who I want. That's not what I said. I said, Mike, take the shot. I want LeBron to have the ball. I want the decision to be in LeBron's hands. Yeah, that's true. To be in LeBron's hands. Now, LeBron James has the best IQ basketball ever. I understand that. But that's what you think. Hold on. Hold up. Good. LeBron, any of them. If I want the ball in LeBron's hands to make the decision to bring me home. OK, now, let me see. Thank you. Bro. I don't know what basketball you want. For the basketball. The Davis Brothers, Detroit, New York. You didn't want to play them, God. LeBron would have been the game. I'm just checking the box. I'm not going to order some. We done, like, technical. The Davis Brothers for LeBron. Are you crazy? Like, this is where people get out of here. He said the Davis Brothers. Who said that? Who said that? It's a hamburger, my God. But what I'm saying is, all these guys get on these things. They say these things like, oh, LeBron played in this era. You didn't have. Do you know that Magic Johnson was a monster in the era? Imagine a fucking guy, 6'9", with the first step of Isaiah Thomas, who was 6'1", with the athleticism of Sean Kemp and the IQ of Jason Kemp. He was about to punch in the eye with 75 hours. Come on, I don't want to hit a rush. They was whipping ass in basketball back in the day. It was a 75 out of five. So imagine LeBron's coming to any of them holes. It's not the same thing. You don't think they're the same? But Jordan had to go. Hold up. He's 6'8", 260. He still would have got fucked up. He'd have got fucked up by the Davis Brothers. He's fucked up, too. He ain't no job, man. What is he talking about? We not calling him LeBron a jump, but it's just something that he didn't have that. He didn't have that killer instinct then. He did. He got more clutch shots than all your favorite players. I've had that 23 years. You're going to have no more clutch shots in the 16s. Take seven years off. And he still will. You got four rings. Jordan got six. Come on, man. You got more clutch shots than all of them. But you said Jordan didn't play anybody. Here we go. Watch this. Hold on. Check this out. Let's make it a little bit deeper. I have something for this. It's a lot deeper. When you say he didn't have it, right? Give it up for him. When you look at Michael, Michael grew up with a mom and a dad in his household. When you look at Kobe, Kobe grew up with a mom and dad in his household. When you look at LeBron, LeBron's mom was 16 when she had him as a child. Now, he spent a lot of time by himself, right? He did not develop. Taking the last shot over three people is a selfish gene. That don't make you having killer instinct. That's a selfish behavior. That's a gene. We're not knocking none of that door. Listen to this. Hey, man. Hey, man. Hey, man. Hey, man. Listen to me. It ain't got nothing to do with killing. Because the killers is in the joint. And some of them are walking out here. This ain't no killer shit on the basketball court. I've been around them all. What I'm trying to explain to you is, psychologically, when you spend the time that you spent by yourself, quite naturally, you want to do what? You want to be friend people. And you built the game off of making other guys look good. LeBron sees the past, and you score just as much as he sees himself scoring, which is why he's the only athlete to have other self-made millionaires in his circle and not look down upon it. Because he don't have that selfish gene. Say your words. Say your words. Whereas when it's my, when I got all the toys in the toy chest, and I got the optionality of what toys I want to play with, and if you don't do it how I do it, I take my ball and go home. When you put that on the basketball court, then that creates another gene, which we call killer instinct, which is fine. I got no problem with it. Whether you're debating watching that award-winning TV drama or rewatching your comfort comedy movie for the 10th time, choices are important. When it comes to choosing coverage, a state farm agent can help you find options that are right for you. Like a good neighbor, state farm is there. But you've got to look deeper into the psychologically to psychology of it all. Michael Jordan is my man, through and through. So I'm not knocking Michael Jordan. But what I'm saying is LeBron grew up making guys better. So quite naturally, he's going to always make the proper basketball play. Michael grew up playing against his brother every day. I couldn't beat my brother, my older brother Larry. And so I finally beat him. That created, no matter what, I'm taking this shot, right? So it's not a knock to none of them. But when you talk about a basketball player, there's never been a basketball player born on anywhere on this God-greens earth that is better than LeBron James at playing basketball. Now, if you want to talk about taking the 36 elements of basketball and stripping it down to one with your scoring, give me Michael Jordan. That's it. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair. That's a sports agent talk. Yeah, that was a lot of facts. That's a sports agent talk. When did we ever see LeBron one of the best players? Yo, you got smart since I met you, man. You got every intelligence. That's the best all around player. I'm down your end. I'm down north Philly, down your way. I'm there, Phil. I'm going to check in when you come out. No, you better check that. I told you to check the fuck in when you come to. You down the four seats. I'll be down there. You down the four seats. I'll be down there. Don't worry about it. I told you to check in. Listen, hey, Rob, tell him how long I've been in Philly. Even if you was in the drive, I might have gave you some money. You know what I'm saying? You ain't doing nothing. You ain't doing nothing. Moving around with Boots. You be moving around with Boots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, whatever ain't nobody in there. They say, be wild. Come on, man. I ain't 21 no more. He ain't no joke. He ain't no joke. He ain't no joke.哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 when you go to work. We told about Boots going in there at one fucking 73. That was old, that was old, that was cool back in the day. So they kinda like did it like, it did like an old school versus a new school. Oh nothing, I mean we just thinking about like how did it go. I mean I don't know how it actually worked. I never did actually. That ain't work out. No, it wasn't on video. The only people that had to be there. They told us it was a motherfucking thing. Who then? Canelo. He sparred with Boots to prepare for Crawford. Because they fight with both hands. You getting what I'm saying? Yeah. But man. That's not a fight, came he was already broken and fucked down. Yeah right. How about that. That ain't work. That's not a fight, came he said. He's not gonna fuck. He ain't no way out. Stop. This nigga hit me with no guns and shit. What not, what not. I mean just because you've prepared with him on fucking don't mean the person that you fight. We meant it to a reason. Your only reason for sparring with Boots is for Crawford. No. That was your only reason. Isn't that my mind? Okay, okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. That's my mind? But what I'm saying is, okay. That's what all, okay. That's my point. If Deb Haney is fighting a Southpaw, guess who the fuck he's bringing in the camp? Southpaw's nigga, what do you mean? That's my point. And we hope it worked. Why didn't it fucking work? Why didn't it work? It just didn't work. Because they're not the fucking same. It looked the same. You getting that fucking ring is different. He didn't even work like that. Yeah, right. He didn't even work like that. No, it do. You gotta show that shit in the ring. You gotta show it in the ring. You coming with a fucking game plan that don't work. It didn't work. Yo, yo, yo, yo. When I was training for Clipscoe, right? I stopped everybody in the camp. We had about 15, but I stopped everybody. The last day, it was one of the hardest. Yeah, and you could've stopped him. You could've stopped him. But when you got right here, you stopped. You could've stopped him too, nigga. Fuck you talking about. You got right there. You got right here and stopped. No. Come on, man. Let me in. Come on, bro. I was in jail crying, nigga. I know I was. I never got right here. I was in jail crying. I never got right here. Come on, man. You tripping. You got right there. Did all that shit. Got right there and stopped. Where you at? Bill, where you running? Bill right here. Bill. Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Do you see him? Hey, hey, hey, hey. Nigga, you got us out here ready. Ruffles is telling you, nigga, about you. That's the guy right there. You got that ass, man. And I told him, listen. No, you can't. Wait, wait, wait. I told him. Hold on. He lay. Hey, but I'm the only Crawford fed dog. He loves it. I'm the only Crawford fed. He's the fucking nut. Talking that dumb shit, though. He's the nut. Talking that dumb ass shit, though. When you come to Philly, get with us. They talking that dumb ass shit, man. He's the fucking nut. They talking dumb shit, though. You can know that ass, though. Now, Bill. Listen. But I told him that you will be Canelo again when you come out from any time that you finish. Any time you can go around the world and do what you're doing, you're going to come back out and whip Canelo ass again. Something that Devon can't do. But Boots? Actually, why he ain't fight Boots, though. We got him. He should mention you ever again. They saying he's saying he's asking about Boots, but? Yep. No, no, no, no, no, no. You listen. Tell him, please, bud. You stay where you at, bud. Tell him, bud. You stay where you at. Tell him how you wanted to fight Sean Porter. Bud, you stay. Tell him how you know. They fucking know. First of all, we get you to go, Stan. You don't come down to talk like this, bud. We get you to go, status. We ain't work you to fuck out again. Yeah. I don't know. He recorded you when I put that motherfucker out. Oh my god, don't do that. Don't put it. Please, keep the peace. Keep the peace. You remember we see you had to fight the last time we rolled on you. We rolled on you. We had to straighten you out. We had to straighten you out, nigga, the last time we seen you. Hey, hey, hey. Listen, the craziest part, I had an injury. You did? Dude, I picked a little ass up on the feet. Who, Gil? Oh, yeah, you did. I was ready to run. I was ready to leave that nigga. I'm sure you got the same energy when I see y'all now. All right, we will. We will. So what the fuck, you trying to say you healthy now? Now you're healthy. I ain't hustling with that nigga. Yeah, I ain't wrestling with that nigga. The way it sounds, I ain't fucking around. I was like 300 pounds, man. Hey, look, and then y'all caught me off guard. Just make sure y'all have that same energy. Yeah, we did get you on that Philly city came in. What's up? We just ripped him up. Come here, nigga. I was ready to run. We'll see y'all, man. Then the nigga picked me up off my feet. I said, this motherfucker's strong as shit. But listen, we trying to eat. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Look at this nigga. He loves looking at another ass nigga. Yo, yo, listen, listen. Listen. Why are you fucking fighting? Be wild back there, you see. Yo, yo. Hey, man, why you letting me play with you, man? Why you letting me play with you, man? Why you letting me play with you? You said that like you fucking me wild or something. Yeah. Hold up. Hold up. Yeah. Oh, be wild. Yeah. What happened, be wild? I just told y'all. I said the difference between when I was 36 and then the ring went on me and when I was 41 and the ring was boots. What was the difference? You said boots. That was the difference. And so, uh-oh. I was fucking out. You will not walk through these two fuck-dancers. You will not stop that, kids. Yes, damn. Fuck, stop that shit. Don't you say that shit. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Let him hear it. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Let me hear it. He realises it. Let me hear it. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Hold up, hold up, hold up. God. Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. Put your hands up. Y'all wanted me to end those career before it started. Yeah. I don't know about that. I'm not saying that. I'm gonna knock him the fuck out. And it's the reason why he hit a shot. They went the other way. Stop playing with me. Thank you. Thank you. Stop playing with me. Because if you make a real fucking motherfucker's move, they went the other way. He wasn't ready yet. He needed a couple more fights, they said. Stop playing. Y'all be playing. Come on, bro. I'm talking about you. We already said that. He said that. That was bad. But I was out. It ain't his time. We're at his time. It ain't his time. It ain't his time. I'm not supporting young Phil and all that. And he blackish y'all. That's my thing. If these dickens can't come up to me and do the same shit that they can do with other niggas, niggas don't do that with me. We snuck the piss out of niggas' face. Niggas know who to play with. But there was also one time that these Koreans all went the fuck out. They just don't even really say my name. They be like, I'm with everybody. I'm with everybody. I'm with stop here. Niggas say my name. Niggas say I knock tears, croffing out with niggas. You ain't regular, Tance. We know that. You ain't regular. You ain't regular. Well, I know me and YLT tried you, nigga. We won. We walked out the world. We won. I know martial arts. Let's change the sport. We can change the sport. And we gonna see what you gonna do then. I'm a martial artist. So I don't count. You knock me out. That's it. Don't count. It don't count. I got 13 bells. It don't matter if you knock me out. Hey champ. Hey champ. Hey champ. Hey champ. Hold on. I like to see them. 13. Hey. Hold up, y'all.哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 Hey man, these things don't like jumping. Jumping. I'm gonna jump in. Listen, no, no, nothing, nothing. He said it. He said it. He said it. It's him, not me. Not mine, not mine. You can get it. Yo, here, trash, gilly. What are you at? Hold up. What other one at? They took him out jumping me, man. Yeah, that's the little one. I'll fight him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get him. I'll fight you, nothing. I got, I got, I got. Oh, man, damn, nothing. Jeremy. He's definitely jumping. He's definitely jumping on Gil. He'll work Gil out. Both of them. Hey, hey, champ, champ, enjoy, enjoy retirement, man. Come back for that big one, man. Come back for that. Hey, hey, hey, hey, listen, boots ain't the one, man. Listen, we're gonna hold it down. We're gonna hold it down. We're gonna hold it down. No, no, no, no, we're holding it down. We're holding it down for you. Enjoy retirement. Come back for the big one. Other than that, we got this shit. All right. I'm enjoying life, Bill. That's right. That's right, okay. I'm enjoying life. That's right. I'm having a good time. I'm healthy. That's life. You know what I mean? It's cut the line. I'm about to go all over the world, get paid for it. Tell them again, champ. Tell them again, champ. I'm gonna live my best life right now. That's right, Kate. Tell them again. That's right. That's right. Ready? That's what we got, right? Hey, man, you might as well go ahead, man, and retire as the go- And guess what? And guess what I labeled this episode? The $100 million worth of game episode. Right. Do you hear me? Hey, hey, hey. You know what I named this episode? Even before you came on here, I knew it was gonna have it. The $100 million worth of game episode. You did it. Hey, hey, Kelly. Yeah. Man, y'all better stop playing with me, man. Dog, I said you was the goon. Didn't I say that? Yeah. I don't know you said it like that, though. You did say it. You didn't say goat, right? Goat? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hey, listen. I don't have to support my people just like I do. I just want to support girls, men, and people. Man, that's me because I support this. But I'm like them, man. I can't support my people. Yeah. It's just been in this at the end of the day. No, no. Dog, all this is, listen. All this is is Michael Jordan and Brian James talk. But y'all niggas fight. Wait, wait, hold on. That's all this. The fact that, hold on. Like you see them tripled. The fact that you got all these niggas out here arguing about you. That's beautiful in itself. Wait, listen, listen. We in the trenches in Philly, bro. They wanted you to smash Spence out again. They want you to smash Boots out again. Or no, one time. They want you to smash Boots. Stop that. No, y'all never sparred or nothing. They never sparred. Hey, listen. No, Boots worked him out one time and he sparred. Huh? Boots worked him out. What you mean? Worked him out. He ain't worked him out. Hey, he trippin', man. Look at this. Look at this. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. No, stay focused, champ. All this other shit is just like work. We got it. Oh, yeah, I ain't worked him out. You know what I mean? I'm gonna talk. I'm cool with, I'm cool. I'm at, I'm at peace with, with niggas running in a mouth narrow. You know? They used to, they used to be like, man, call Boots out here and fight you. I used to do shit like that. My fucker called me out. Man, listen. Let me tell you. Devon gon' listen. When he see this shit and he see all them chandeliers and shit, he gon' whip some ass about that shit, champ. You motivating like a motherfucker. All them goddamn keys. You going through door after door after door. I told y'all what episode this was. Yeah, yeah. First of all, first of all, we knew you got it, nigga. Cause you be walking around with some motherfucking sweats on. Look like you had on for three days and a motherfucking wrinkled up t-shirt out there playing with the kids. We like this nigga just filthy. Yeah, shit just. It's that motherfucking money. He's just a fucking pro. He all spent that money. Nah, yeah, that was good. Unbelievable episode. Yeah, that was good. Unbelievable. Wrong. Alright, let's get the episode. What are we up to? We'll delete it. But it's all up, but... This Walo. This Walo. She gave his ass out on Hawaii. He lying. He lying. Fuck outta here. Fuck outta here. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, what, hey, Walo, Walo didn't call Shakur. I mean, called Jay Prince on the phone while we on camera. You know what I'm saying? To make the fight. And uh... They can't come to agreement, man. Yeah. Tim and him and Jay Prince can't come to agreement. No, no, I just told him that, you know, just like, just like Bud, you know, just like, once you go up, you never go down. You did. And that's all we're doing. I ain't never did that. Yeah. Yeah. I, every fight, nobody ever said, I fought for this and it came back before that. No. All right. Absolutely. All right, let's go, man. Join us now. Let's have a fight. Man, that was one of the games we right here at LibitGaust Stadium. It's going down in North Philly today. We brunk Bill Haney to the trenches. Yeah. This interview was crazy. Everybody hopped in from Bud Crawford, Rich Paul, Jay Prince. It was just crazy. It was a crazy episode. Yeah. And these guys was talking about boxing. It got crazy. It got heated. See, I'm a martial artist. They don't, nobody, nobody will... You shut the fuck up, man. What did you tell them? Shut the fuck up. You see that? You see that? You see this? Yeah. That's what I'm really doing, man. You all see that? I don't even know what you're talking about. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. You see that? You see that door? I put it down. Listen, man, million dollars for the game, too, man. All right. Now back to the episode. Welcome to another episode of the Million Dollars Worth a Game, business spotlight where we give you the news you can use. A lot of you are sitting home and you're saying to yourself, oh, I'm on my couch. I ain't doing nothing. Oh, I'm tearing the refrigerator door up. Uh-uh, you're doing all that stuff. You could be doing something better with your life. That's why we got million dollars worth of game, business spotlight, so we have people like Weston Hill on here today. I'm talking about, listen, one thing about this brother, the tax business, the two Z's, he's not playing. He's giving you game. He's giving you news you can use, and he'll help you do something that you ain't doing right now. I'm talking about, you ain't doing nothing right now, so he's going to give you some game. What you need to do is go to, he's giving out a free e-book, a free tax biz class, and you need to go to tax biz biz with bizzzyfreeclass.com. And what he's going to do, he's going to bless you. He's going to give you an e-book with so much game, you ain't going to know what to do with it. Plus he's going to give you a free class. This dude is not playing. Now, Weston, tell them what you got going on. Tell them how you started. Tell them how you got in the game. You know, and tell them about the times when it wasn't always good for you. Man, I started back in the tax industry back in 2000. Right? The tax industry was booming. You know, one of my wife's college friends got me started in the tax industry. And he had the blueprint. He made $500,000 in the tax industry, pulled up in a new Porsche, and I was like, man, you know, I want more information on it. So I got started. I started grinding. After that, I saw opportunity where I could actually help other people start their own tax business. And after that, I started putting in the work. Grinding came up with a program on how people can actually start growing, excelling the tax industry. I was able to make my first million dollars in the tax industry. I was able to help 3,000 tax professionals start and grow their own tax successful tax business and also help over 100 tax professors start their own tax software company as well. You see tax professionals break that down. What does that mean? So what a tax professional is, they help people fire their taxes. And what we have, we have a tax software where we can easily input people's information and they're able to do their tax return within minutes. So we've been able to help 3,000 people actually grow their own successful tax business. So you mean to tell me you created a software? Yes. You got a software, how did that go? How did, first of all, how did you go from just getting a game from somebody to creating your own tax software? Well, I saw opportunity where I could actually help people generate income. So I was like, man, you know what? I saw opportunity. So I got a team of individuals that helped me create my own tax software. Had the team create the software. Once they create the software, I opened up the tax business. How long have you been in business? I'm talking about from, but I'm talking about the software. How long the software been active? I've been, I've been a tax professional for 15 years, but I've been in the software industry for about five years. I'm going into my sixth year this year. So say if I'm Johnny, nobody I come to this, because first of all, what has you given out in his ebook, this free ebook? What am I getting when I come near? So in the ebook, we're going to help you start. The ebook is first of all one that has no experience. Business is really simple. A lot of people don't know you can get in the tax industry with minimal experience. You don't need any major qualifications. You don't need a high school or you don't need a high school diploma. You don't need a college degree. You can come right in. It's one of the easiest business that you can get into without education. So I'm going to, I created ebook where you can easily get started. I'm breaking out all the steps we get started. It's really simple to get in. And once you get started, you can grow your business with the six figures within the first year. So you're telling me, I don't, you're telling me legally, you don't need none of that stuff to be able to do somebody taxes. All you need is a p10 and an e-fan. I show you exactly how to do that. You can get, you can get started. If you get an e-fan, you can get started within 45 days. What's an e-fan? An e-fan is a number. A e-fan number is something that tax professionals have to utilize to prepare taxes. So as a prepare, get a p10 to prepare identification number. And an e-fan allows you to e-file taxes to the IRS. So that's a 45 day process. You can take anywhere from 30 to 45 days to get done. But it's really simple to get. All right. So, so, so you, you're giving that out in the e-book. So what's going on in this class? You could, you know, you come to the class, the class is totally free. You know what I mean? As you can see, as you can see on, you can see right there on the screen, you go right here, you go to taxbizfreeclass.com, right? And that's biz with two Z's. You go right there. He's going to give you a free e-book and a free class. What is going on in this class? In that class, I'm going to give you the 10 steps of getting started. So I'm going to show you exactly how to get your p10. I'm going to show you exactly how to get your e-fan. I'm going to show you exactly all the courses that you need, the additional courses that you need to go out and be successful. I'm going to break down an entire platform for you within 45 minutes to an hour and you can get started immediately. I'm talking about, when you say 45 minutes to an hour, that's all you need to get into the game like that? 45 minutes to an hour, you can get in. Damn, that's crazy. And so how many clients do you have now that's using the software? I have 3,000 tax professionals utilizing the software and they told our company they had 33,000 tax returns. 33,000? 33,000 tax returns. And this straight, this from this straight through the system? Straight through the system, 33,000 tax returns. And how many could it be? Is the system set up to get you back the most money possible though? The system set it to get you back. The system will automatically do the tax returns for you and we're going to provide you with all the tools and resources and education to make sure that you're doing the tax returns properly so your clients are able to get the most money back possibly. So what is the system that you're going to provide? So we provide, we have our own educational platform, we have our tax software, we have live training, we have group training, we have tax education courses, we have do-it-yourself classes, we provide all the tools and resources for tax professionals to go out and be successful. So you got to be up on, to be running this the way you're running it, you got to be up on top of all the changes in the tax world, like crazy, you just be on tax time all the time. Yeah, so that's the great thing about it. We've partnered with a company called Latino Tax Professionals and we actually have an online course where... You said Latino. Latino Tax Professionals. We have an online course that we partner with them and you're able to get your CE credits which are credits that tax professionals need to be registered with IRS so we actually partner with that company and once you take those courses, you have credits that they register with IRS when you're taking those courses, they're CE credits. Right now, listen, so when a person thinks of tax, they think about one time a year. That's what the average person thinks. Do y'all deal with people that are high, high-end people that got to pay quarterly too? How do y'all do that? Well, we teach you that process because what I do is I provide the tax software and I provide the training and the tools and the resources but we teach you how you actually make money each quarter. So a lot of tax professionals make money at the beginning of the year but we also teach you how to deal with high-end clients as well too and we also teach you how to sell the software during the off-season. So I have people that say, my company is making $100,000, $500,000 just selling software. In fact, I had one tax professional and it made $80,000 in software sales in one day. So we're helping you make money during the season and we're helping you make money during the off-season as well too. Okay, so you just got to be somebody on the next level to be able to get you, you know, to be able to go to the next level and got to be on somebody on the next level to be able to, you know, get that software off because this dude did it, how did he, first of all, how did he do $80,000 in a day? What did he do? Well, what she did was she sold the software. I teach you how to actually sell the software to other tax professionals. So I broke down a game plan for her. She did a webinar, got about 500 people in the webinar, sold the software to 80 tax professionals, made that amount of money in one day. All right, so once you, all right, so the software you created, once you sell it, you use a one-time fee? It's a, we pay yearly. So what we do is you purchase the software, you have to buy the software yearly, but we always give our returning partners a special rate when they return and you pay your one-time fee, but there's a certain amount as well too. If you do a certain amount of clients, if you're a tax professional that does 1,000 clients, we actually give you the software for free the following year. Damn, so you got that many clients wanting to do the, do the software, you cool. You never have to renew. So once you do 1,000 clients and we teach you how, we give you the blueprint of how to do 1,000 clients. So we're basically giving you the blueprint, giving you step by step, a guide. We broke this dang thing down to a third grade level where anybody could understand. Okay. So we're breaking it down for you, we're giving it step by step. And that second year, we said, here, here's how to do 1,000 clients, the following year, you're doing a free. Most of my partners that come in, the tax energy, I probably have 80% of my team of 3,000 people, they're getting the software for free because they're doing over 1,000 clients. Well, the service girls and they know it's a tax professional, we have it where if you do over 50 clients, you get the software for free. All right. So how long did it take you to create this software? Well, for me, I wrote the blueprint. I got a black notebook. And I wrote the blueprint in the black. We're writing it down. Right now I'm going to war. I got it back. A regular composition book. Composition book. I had an idea. I wrote everything down the black notebook. I took it to the software company, gave my ideas. We had everything done in about three to four months. But the great thing about it now is that I have the blueprint so I can get someone like yourself that's coming in. We can get it done in three to four weeks. Okay. So now that you got the blueprint, any app you trying to do? Any, any one of any, if you're a tax professional and you want to grow and you want to excel in the tax industry, all you have to do is come to me. I'm going to give you the blueprint. I'll even let you put your logo on my software. So you can actually use my software and I'll put your logo on it, white label it, and I'll give you the blueprint. I work behind the scenes. And in fact, I got most of the tax professionals that are out there right now, they're actually utilizing my software, but their logo was on it. So they're using my blueprint, their white labeling. They're using my blueprint. They're generating $100,000, a million dollars. Their partners are generating $30, $40,000. So what is it to license? Say if I wanted to come to you and license your white label, what's the name? Do you got a license in for you or is it like? My license fee is only $5,000 to get started. So it's only $5,000. Most companies charge anywhere from $30, $40,000 for a white label. You can come $5,000 and we get started immediately. Sorry, the process immediately. Listen, man, what y'all need to do is y'all need to check my brother western out, man. The tax biz. That's biz, B-I-Z-Z. Go to taxbizfreeclass.com. And what you want to do is you want to go there because he's giving out a free e-book. In his e-book, he's talking about all type of information that you need. And then he also going to give you a class. How long is that class? Is that class A Sunday? 45 minutes to an hour. 45 minutes to an hour. But I'm talking about how long. When I say long, is it every week? Is it A Sunday? You know some people do a Sunday. It's just a one-time class. We do it every month. We do a free class every month, but that class is recorded as well too. So we give out recordings as well too, but we do the class every month. Once a month, listen, I don't know what y'all doing, but y'all need to go to taxbiz.com. That's biz, B-I-Z-Z. Freeclass.com. Right now, follow my brother, the taxbiz underscore. And that's the taxbiz, B-I-Z-Z underscore. It's two Z's. Make sure y'all get that. Get the free e-book, the free. I'm talking about the taxbiz class. And what you waiting for? You might get even white label your logo on a product that he created. Listen, this is another episode of Million Dollars worth of games. I'm right here with my brother Winston Hill. And listen, it is just like that. Right. Have you heard? IT teams everywhere are leveling up their meeting room game with sure video conferencing. Easy integration, less work for IT, smoother meetings. Sure, built for collaboration. Learn more at shur.com. Right now, a guide dog puppy is taking her very first steps. One day, she'll help someone with sight loss live a full and independent life. Find the crossing pass. Good girl. 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