Ferrari Stock Drops, Audi G Wagon Coming? Mercedes Copies Jaguar?

Hello and welcome to this car pop. I'm Kenan. I'm Philippe. And there's a lot to discuss. Let's start with the news. Ferrari. Ferrari. What happened? Well, it was, uh, Ferrari had a tough time recently. So they recently, the, the, the Ferrari's a publicly traded company. So they had to announce their plans for their upcoming models. And one of the things they're announcing is their focus on electric. They're going to be introducing an electric supercar at some point. And, uh, the market wasn't pleased about this. Okay. No, we got to be correct about this. The market was not pleased because as part of that same 10 year plan, they decreased their forecasted numbers. So is that related to their product max? Sure. Yeah. In some way, but it is not that, that investor said, Oh, we hate that they're releasing electric vehicle. It's Ferrari said they're not going to grow as quickly as they've been growing. Yeah. But I think the things are probably linked. They're linked. There's a lot of other market forces happening. That means that Ferrari is being relatively concentrated. That's true. But they had their worst day since 2016. Yeah. But okay. The great. It's not going to happen, right? Yeah. The market, uh, does not like when any company announces guidance or earnings that are lower than, than previous forecast. Yeah. Ferrari has always had this incredible profit margin and this incredible growth that everybody's been obsessed with. Ferrari is trying to temper some expectations probably in part because of some of their electric strategy that isn't really going to continue like it maybe was given the current situation. Yes. So I don't really know exactly what the, it's hard because like Ferrari is a really difficult company to manage because it's so, they have this reputation for making the fastest, most involving experiential cars. And so it's hard to then direct that product strategy into the future. If it's going to be, if it's going to be, it's just a difficult brand to manage. A difficult brand to manage. Certainly. What, what are they at the end of the day? They're a company that makes a lot of money. Right now. Right now. Right now. But that's not 40% of Ferrari sales were, they had forecasted three years ago that 40% of their sales would be electric. And now they're saying only 20% of their sales. 2030. Only 20% would be electric. Which is not, which is, which is pretty far in the future. Like they've, they've been four years. Yeah. But, but every, a lot of brands said that are only going to be electric. Ferrari has cut the, cut the amount by half of the numbers of vehicles that are going to be, that are going to be fully electric. Yeah. They continue to say they're going to release 20 new cars over the next, several years, which is. Well, but that includes, whenever I say that it's, it's, it's versions of, you know, the 12 cylindries is going to spawn nine different cars. If you go on their website, there's going to be a 12-cylinder XX and a 12-cylinder convertible and a 12-cylinder GTB. Better, better. It exists. You get my point. Yes. That's true. I'm hoping that if they've at least looked at Porsche, one of those cars will be something with a manual transmission. Oh, it won't be. It won't be. Well, I mean, I'm hopeful that, but yeah, you say this, but the SP3 is an NAV12. No hybrid assist. That's kind of a backwards step in a lot of ways. So I don't know. I, you know, the electric Ferrari is supposedly going to be called the Ferrari Electrica. Yes. You're aware of this? Yeah. They haven't been doing their best naming. The Italians think. 15, 20. The Italians think and correctly that most words in their language sound amazing. So like quattro parte, like it just means four door, but they can't always get away with it. They should call the next one the Ferrari Filippo. You know what they ought to do? They ought to base their naming decisions on how the word sounds in English. Electrica, no. D'odici cilindri. D'odici cilindri. No. Was that good? What about the Ferrari La Ferrari? Did you enjoy that years ago? I always liked that in the Enzo Ferrari. Yes. That's right. The Enzo Ferrari. The Ferrari Enzo. Do you think that they, at the factory, they still call it the Enzo Ferrari? You know what I mean? I'm sure they're pedantic about it like I am. Anyway, Ferrari will see it's interesting. This is the late, yet again, another example of an automaker that is cutting guidance, cutting forecasts on electric vehicles. 20% of their sales will be electric by 2030. It's still a pretty ambitious target given that they don't have a single electric model. I have a suspicion this isn't the only cut they're going to make. Apparently in this, in the guidance where they issued this, they said that they made the change to the EV target due to a client-centric approach to their product portfolio. In other words, people don't want this crap. We'll see if they still want it when it's 20%. Maybe it's going to be 10% or 3%. 40% hybrid is also kind of interesting. But already, there are a lot of hybrid. I'm actually surprised it's only 40% hybrid because it seems to me that almost all the new Ferraris that launch are hybrids. The 12-cylindri isn't, but the 296 is. It's a poor size. It's not. It's a new EV 12. It is widely assumed that a hybrid V8. But the Amalfi isn't. I mean, don't forget, the 296 and the SF90 really were the first two. I know, but we're talking about within the next five years. And my presumption is that the Amalfi and the Roma will be redesigned with an electric model. Maybe that's what we're hit on. These next models are just going to be engine changes. They're just going to change them to smaller hybrids. Maybe that's what it is. That's the kind of thing that automakers, when they say stuff like that, 30 new models, it's like the Defender 110 Trek edition. Oh, there's one new model. One interesting question here is, for the last decade, Ferrari has been able to sell every car they built. More or less. Until the SF90. They're still able to sell them. Not really. Really. There are a lot that were sitting in theaters. They didn't cut production as a result of demand. They produced the cars, the other cars they want to sell. So they have more control than most other automakers on what their actual product mix is because they do have people that will buy whatever car they built. So maybe we'll see 40, 40, 20. Maybe. 40% or 80, 40%. Maybe. But the SF90, though, the reason that we highlight SF90 is because it shows they don't have perfect control. It's not like the Birkins. They can't just whatever they make is sold. The buyers turn out to be maybe a little more discerning than Ferrari had hoped. I have a suspicion that the reason you see such a huge decline here is because the market has been riding the wave of them being able to do whatever they want. If there's even a little bit of chink in the armor, that scares investors because there's just been a certainty since Ferrari became a public company about 10 years ago that they could just print money. Race. Race, baby. What's our next news story? Oh, yeah. So this is the Mercedes Vision Ionic concept. This is an EV car that Mercedes-Benz plans to make. They've kind of, as we've been talking about at the office, kind of seem to have taken the Jaguar approach to its design. So Mercedes specifically says that it pairs 1930s style with future tech. It doesn't not, I guess. I don't know if you're familiar with history, but you know how Mercedes says they wanted to be the bad guy? I don't think picking from the 1930s is the best of the bad guy they should be picking. You know what, Kenan? You're not going to have to worry about it because the only thing I can promise you about this vehicle is that it will not, under any circumstances, in any way go into production even slightly resembling what this is. Yeah. So this is going to be yet another incredibly cool concept car that everybody agrees is incredibly cool. Everybody fawns all over, everybody obsesses all over, and then in the end when it comes out it is a trim package on the C-Class coupe. Do we think it's incredibly cool? It's still down. Yes. Have you seen the rear? The rear looks like a 300 SL going. Right. They said they took, well, a lot of the design comes from the 540K and the SSK, and the rear they took from the 300 SL. And the interior is kind of odd looking too. It actually looks very old. I think this thing is cool as hell. It's on 30s, it's on 30s or 34s. It's a bit munch. But the whole car is only about 44 inches high. Right. Now the other thing that they wanted to point out is that this car uses wafer thin solar panels because they're hoping to increase the EV range and that. And of course that's nothing new. No, I prefer it does it too. I don't know. It is really cool, but like you said, I assure you it's not going to look like this. No, it will not. It won't ever come out. Remember the Accelero? Of course. Pull up the Accelero. The audience, the Accelero forgot you. Do you don't remember it? Do you? Of course I do. You do not. I also not only that. Live lock Accelero. Yeah. Well, that's a poor image of it. Pull back out. Let's see. This one's better. Oh, that one. No, well, but those are the bad wheels. You want that. There you go. Good wheels. When people ask me what car would come and fire your dad more than any other car. Those became the base R230 wheels. Yeah, that's right. And they were the SLR concept car wheels on the original SLR concept. I forgot about that. And they were the Accelero wheels and it never went into production. But it's got Accelero mirrors. But do you know what happened to this car? No. It eventually got out and it's someone owns it. Really? A person. A human. Not you. Which wheels do you think they have on it? Not even me. These. Or maybe they were the 57S wheels that eventually got out. I don't remember. And it doesn't matter. The point is, this is a very cool concept car from Mercedes. They're not going to build it. I will say it is a little Jaguar-esque. We all made fun of Jaguar a year ago when they did this. And here's Mercedes Benz doing Jaguar. Long hood. Long hood. Low body. That's it. Do you agree though that we take Mercedes more seriously? Oh yeah. So like this came out and it was pink. Like the only real difference is it was Jaguar and it was pink. They also looked different. But all thought it was stupid. And then Mercedes comes out with this and it's not Jaguar and it's not pink and we're like, ooh. It's pretty scary. I mean it's got the Mercedes 3.3 and the headlights were just a bit much. But I think it looks cool. I think it's cool as hell. And I hope that they build it well, but they won't. Next news story, please. Are you aware of this? Toyota did a big press conference a week ago. The Tokyo Mobility Conference, whatever it's called. But Toyota specifically had this giant reveal and everybody thought they were going to reveal their new supercar, which presumably will be as overrated as the LFA. And instead they revealed the replacement to the Lexus LS. You say, mm-hmm, you already knew? This is called the LS Concept. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. It's a six wheeled minivan. That was the stupidest thing they showed, but they also showed some other stuff. Go to the next two. You got, this is a concept of the new Corolla, which I think looks awesome. It looks great. Interesting. The other vehicle looks that cool. We know it ain't going into production. We're going with awesome. Interesting. You don't like how this looks? No. It's like a Cadillac Sienna. It is like a Cadillac Sienna. It's kind of the Lincoln Sentinel. Pull up the Lincoln Sentinel. No, no, the Cadillac Sienna makes them with a Model Y. We all agree. No, it's a Sienna and a Lincoln Sentinel. You know what the Lincoln Sentinel is? I don't know the Lincoln Sentinel. This is your problem. I don't have enough real deep, deep automotive. Yeah. I'm going to stick with what I said. There is a lot of Lincoln Sentinel on this thing. Wait, there's legitimately a Toyota product. What Toyota product is that reminding me of? The current Corolla. No. There's something that had that square tail. I'll think about it. There is a little Model Y to it, but either way, that's a Corolla concept. We don't know if that'll actually come out in production, but one of the things we do know is if they're showing it as a concept car, it won't be a real car. Seldon is. Right. It will end up being watered down. If you hate this, great. Except for the Carrera GT, which was even more powerful. Porsche concept cars are always, they don't know how to do a concept. The Germans don't know how to be imaginative. They're like a concept car. We'll make it slightly different from what we know the real car will be like. German. That's true. Is it like a Mariah? Is that what I'm getting? That's a good point. From the back? Like a second-gen Mariah? Um, first-gen Mariah? This is Flippo's favorite thing, Flippo toss. Yeah. You're familiar with Century. They make V12 and VA-powered Rolls Royce of Japan. Yeah. Right? We sell a bunch of them with V12. They're wonderful, but there's new ones too. Part of this announcement has Toyota creating a sub-brand for Century, just like they did for Scion or Lexus years and years ago, and which will be positioned above Lexus as their luxury, luxury trim. Ultra luxury. Ultra luxury. Or brand rather, not trim. It's also implied that it might leave Japan for the first time. No Century model has been sold outside of Japan. This might be the first time that that actually... So we might have an LX700H Century. It would be the Century, whatever they call it. Maybe. No, no, they have shown diagrams of how they're positioned in their brands. But my back is a Century Lexus. And a Century Lexus. Denali is a sub-brand. Toyota Daihatsu. We'll see. We'll see. I think it would be separate. It'd be very exciting to have another... There's no way they're going to launch a dealer network with super luxury cars. I promise. Put it as part of the Lexus dealer network. Yeah, admittedly. But you renamed the cars at least. I bet they won't. Also, do you know what the Century SUV looks like? Yeah, it looks cool. Yeah, maybe the Alcum. Flippo dreams that maybe we'll get a really nice Toyota. That's what Flippo wants. Go back a photo. You can't tell me this doesn't look like a first gen Mariah, the rear. Like that kind of flat tail... It looks like a Lincoln Sentinel. It looks like a Lincoln... Folks, tell him. Right to that. Flippo.net. Wow, Flippo.net. I wish I owned that. Flippo.net. The Century thing is, I guess, interesting depending on how they launch it. Century has zero name recognition outside of Japan. But Lexus has zero name recognition when it launched and we'll look at it now. Yeah, but that required an unbelievable investment and it took forever. And Scion, they did the same thing and it failed. So they did it. Yeah. Is it around? They could have. They killed it. They killed it. It was a different era. They had to kill some brands. Failure back then is different from failure today. It could have succeeded. So could have sobbed. Yes, karma on the road. It could have succeeded. It would be tough. Old school. The concept of a Century sub-brand is laughable outside Japan. My guess is if they actually did it, they would use it as a branding thing like Maibaka's Top 10 versions of Lexus. I agree with that. Either way, we're not getting a six-wheel Lexus Minivan. Almost certainly not, yeah. Go agree on that. That, I don't think is coming. I want to start by giving a genuine thank you to DeleteMe. They've been a long time partner of ours and that only happens when a product actually delivers for people. And this one does. Most people don't realize this, but your personal information is everywhere online, on sites you've never heard of. Data brokers collect things like your home address, phone number, emails, and even names of relatives and then sell it. That's not just creepy. It can lead to spam, scams, and identity theft. That's exactly why I use DeleteMe. It's a privacy service that actually removes your data from those sites. You don't have to spend hours hunting it all down. DeleteMe does the work for you. The privacy experts go after your info. 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You know, Honda doesn't sell to the rental car companies. Incredibly, this car had 45,000 miles. It was the best option at the lot and had aftermarket tint. Yeah, you know what? During COVID, they started buying from auctions and they've never seen this stuff. That must have been why what happened. Okay. But I was supportive. I knew Honda Prelude. I made fun of Honda on this podcast because Honda is so careful. We'll do an SUV, but we're not going to do a real one. We're going to make the passport. They're so cautious. They won't just go and actually do stuff. They kind of will take a wait and see approach. That's why we got the passport and the Acura SLX in the 90s because they were like, we're going to do an SUV at some point, but then they came out and they crushed it with a pilot on an MDX. But it took them forever. Forever. I mean, the pilot came out in 03, the Explorer came out in 91. So for 13 years, they took a wait and see. Yeah. And then finally, and they did something with the Zuzu, which was a mistake, which was a mistake in itself. Anyway, the Prelude's here and it looks so cool, but in true Honda fashion, instead of giving us a Scion FRS competitor, rear wheel drive and fun, front wheel drive, automatic hybrid. Yep. And the early reports out of Japan are the cars have been tremendously popular in Japan, primarily with old people, 70 plus. Yep. And this was reported in the news and I assumed that Honda in Japan was like, oh, it's been popular. I don't think that the Honda US probably loves the fact that the new, the headline is old people love the Prelude. No, no. But of course, old people love it because it's an automatic front wheel drive, slow car. Right. And it allows them to be sporty without making any commitments that are required of an actual sporty vehicle. Yeah. And it's just another example of Honda being too cautious. Yep. Oh yeah, you agree. Fui. And they should have gone rear wheel drive manual. They should have at least led with sporty in a way they did. Like they could have put the Civic SI. They haven't fully announced power trends, but it's the Civic Hybrid power, which is a good power trend, but they could have, it does have more torque than the Civic SI, but they could have led with something sportier, something a little bit more engaging than the car old people in Japan are choosing old people in Japan are choosing it. It's a 200 horsepower four cylinder hybrid from the Civic Hybrid. It's an automatic only. Do you want to take a guess? Given that information, I'm going to point it over to you. 200 horsepower front wheel drive hybrid four cylinder automatic only based on the Civic. Take a guess what the base price is probably going to be around. I feel like it should, I feel like it's going to be like 35 something. I said what it should be, but I bet it's going to be a lot more than that. 42 is the current thought. They said between the Civic Sport Touring Hybrid, that's the best of the Civic hybrids and the Civic Type R, which is Civic. Between 35 and 47. By a Civic hatchback. So 40, 42 somewhere around there. By a Civic hatchback. Yeah. Yeah. Which people will. And this, you know what the sad part is? Honda's going to use this as an example of what we tried to do with the enthusiast one and it didn't work. And it's like, it's like the new Integra. Well, we tried to do what enthusiasts wanted. Did you? There's also that new other whatever or the Honda, like a mini small SUV thing that accurate as revealed. Oh, yes. Not the ADX. The ADX. No, the other one. There's a Honda one that's also named after some thing. Doesn't matter. I'll get there. I'll get there. I'll get there. I'll get there. My brain isn't working. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's absolutely nuts, dude. I'm really going to be sad that the trailer is not more. And I only am covering this news story about the old people because I think it really crystallizes Honda's problem, which is that they are too cautious. And so they appeal to people. It's just not the point of a car like this. Toyota has been doing it now for two generations of the FRS. The Mazda Miata has been going on for 30 plus years and they're sitting here, oh, we'll do front wheel drive and we'll do a little hybrid automatic. And they've missed the point completely of what is propelling those cars with enthusiasts and with sales in general. And I guarantee you, like so many other special Hondas, this is one generation and done. All right. Pull up that Acura RSX. That's what I thought it was going for. Oh, the new RSX. Isn't that a concept though? Or are they doing it? Yeah, but they're doing it. The Acura RSX. No, you've got to type it new. It's a concept for now, I think. Yeah, but it's pretty, we thought of the whale. We can only hope that this... It was not really a concept. Of course, what will end up coming out, it looks like a fast 28 inch wheel performance. It will end up being a front wheel drive EV with a range of 161 miles. I will say a friend of mine who has owned two HRVs texted me when that came out and was like, that's so exciting. Great. Well, they can keep selling to people in their own ecosystem. The problem is that group will not continue to get larger if they do that. Next news story, please. Please. Oh, the Chevy Bolt. Is this a new news story? This is the most interesting news story in the entire thing. The Chevy Bolt EUV, which that is. The Chevy Bolt, that's the EUV. The Bolt went away four, five years ago and we were done and nobody cared. Letting on fire. There was that. That happens. They brought it back as of this week with the same body style. It took like a four year hiatus and then they were like, all right, let's go. Same batter, same like specs. I presume so. Obviously, I haven't looked in this car care, but the important part of the news story is the reason, you know, when they canceled it, it was the second best selling EV on the market after the Model 3. And the reason they've returned it is because the tax credit has gone away and the concept of a cheap EV has changed and suddenly Bolt-E over here, which was always a cheap EV suddenly becomes a lot more appealing. I will say, seems like just about the same specs. Well, it was appealing before, but now it's especially appealing because this car is no longer competing against cars that also have the tax credit. It suddenly is like a pretty desirable vehicle if what you wanted was just a cheap EV. And it was a good vehicle. Also, it now has a faster charging. Not interested, but I suspect it won't have one. Do you remember the Spark EV? Of course. Of course. I also think it was often by the first gen leaf, the second gen leaf. It is just interesting to see this is how Chevy has already started to respond to the removal of the tax credit. We'll see what other automakers do. So what is worth? They have the two most competitive, two of the most competitive small SUV EVs. General Motors. Yeah, the Equinox and the Blazer are both legitimately competitive products. What about the Opel Ampira? Can you pull up an Opel Ampira? Sure. The Chevy Volt existed in Europe as the Ampira. That's A-M-P-E-R-A. Yeah, if you want to pick up, if you want to call it any other cars that are very difficult to install, please let me know. Just click on this one. The word amp is in it. Pull that up. Pull it up. If I had a Volt, a first gen Volt, and I don't, but I have a friend who does, I would re-body it. I'm with you. It's like the Holden Monero people. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. With the GTOs. Like, why isn't anybody doing this? This is a really cool re-body. No, no, no. To be clear, it looks worse. Oh yeah, absolutely looks worse. Okay, great. As long as we're aligned. But that's not the point. We want to seem Euro and cool. Although I've never seen one of these in Europe. I've seen a bunch in the US. One time I was driving past the Port of Baltimore and there were hundreds of them. Wow. Okay, and Pyrrhus? And Pyrrhus. Because we don't talk enough about the interior of the first gen Volt. It was so interesting and good. Yep. I'm not going to make any Google it, although I do want to. It was really good. That white, like, panel. It was like blue on it. It was Chevy's first attempt at doing something good. They had been a company about that time for about a hundred years and that was, they were like, all right, we're going to do this. Right, Corvette, not good. No, it was the GMT 800 Quadro Steers and the Volt. That's right. No, and the C2, Larry Shinoda. Okay, next new story. There more? Oh, God. Audi. Audi has for a long time been kind of hinting at the fact they might come out with an off-roader. Something to compete with the G-Wagen. Somebody senior at Audi the past week has in a couple of interviews said basically, stay tuned. We haven't forgotten about this. So we may see an off-roader Audi. This is just a render engine. This is just a render engine. Not anything that's going to happen, but it's a rendering that someone made. Volkswagen, of course, has a subsidiary that's called Scout that's bringing back the range-extended EV SUV thing that may work together. We don't really know. But also, Audi is finally building a Q9 or about to reveal a Q9, which will be finally, for the first time, their X7 GLS navigator, et cetera competitor. I'm actually a little sad about this because Audi has done this amazing job of their SUV as they have pulled off a coup that no one has ever really talked about, but has been like the most beautiful auto industry thing in the last decade. Audi decided when they came out with their luxury SUVs to put instead of going small, mid-sized, large, to make two and position it between small and mid-sized and between mid-sized and large. And so the Q5 was always a little bigger than an X3. It was always like, but they priced it like an X3. And the Q7 was always a little bigger than an X5 or any of the others, the GLE, whatever, they priced it like a GLE. And it was this brilliant decision. They basically were like, we're going to give you GLS interior room, but at a GLE price with the Q7, or we're going to give you GLE interior room, but at a GLC price with the Q5. It was so beautiful. And now they're conceding and doing the same thing everybody else. They need to. It's an attractive market. The Q7, by the way, is in its second generation, but it's been in its second generation since 2013. What is the story with that? It's insane because it's a good vehicle. The Q7 is, everybody wants that. It's like hot. It looks cool. Audi's a hot brand. It hasn't changed how it looks. They haven't updated it in forever. 2013 is legitimately when I think that generation came out. No, no, no. It's 2017. 2017. 2017. It has that updated edgy style. 2017 feels right. It is weird that a vehicle that is so important. It has eight, nine years ago at this point. It's time. We're ready. It's time. But they said there'll be a Q9, which will be larger. The Q9 will be larger. So maybe they will finally fit into the actual correct segments. The G-Wagon thing would be cool as hell. Are we sad that the only one they're missing is Q1? No. There is a Q1. There's a Q2 overseas. There's a Q2 or Q3. Yeah. A Q4. Q2 is as little as it gets. Q4, Q5, Q6, Q7, Q8. Yeah. And we set it for Q9 and then Q10. So it will be QX. QX. This would be interesting. If they do do, you glossed over this, but the scout thing is important to think about. Yeah. Volkswagen has this partnership with Scout who's going to make this electric off-road SUV. If they do this, I guarantee it'll be some form of scout situation, which is a shame, because we like a big V8 in our G-Wagon. Hell yeah. Sitting right over here. I'm sitting right over there looking right at it. Yeah. Does Audi have a V8 product? Yeah, they do. They got the four-liter turbo V8. Oh, you're right. That's a great motor. Yeah. And we could put it in the Audi G-Wagon. By the way, there is an SQ9 that has been spotted testing, which we think has that V8 after all. You know what would be great? QG. You know what would be great? The H-Wagon. The Q-Wagon. The Q-Wagon. That's what they'll call it. All right. Next story. Coulon de Vagan. There are no more news stories, but we have to move into the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to you by Kenan's girlfriend, Emily, and her M3 CRT. We got an Emily question coming up, so prepare yourself. Wonderful. Kenan's girlfriend, Emily. Okay. The talk car segment. I want to talk about cars today. I would like to too. Whoa. I want to talk about the arena red 993 Turbo. Now, in the last three or four podcasts, I have stated that after two and a half years of not buying a fun car, I am ready to buy another fun car. And what I want is an arena red 993 Turbo. I want a US arena red 993 Turbo with the big old ride height. And something that's happened here. That's not US. This is a US car. The ride height. Is it high? And something that's happened here is that people have started to reach out. Now, folks, I appreciate the reach outs. I really do. It's lovely. However, I've been very clear that I want an arena red US. You've heard me say it how many times. Aha. So many times. I was actually pretty upset we're talking about it again. Any time it's been mentioned, that's what I'm talking about. A dozen people have reached out with completely different things. A blue one, a Euro, a black one. People have been getting at me in every way they can. I heard you wanted a 993 Turbo. Hey, I saw the pod. Is this interesting to you? But thank you for telling it. No, I don't even thank them. There's almost a condescension to it. Like, I know I can talk you into this. This isn't what you want, but I can talk you into it. F off! I want an arena red 993 Twin Turbo USA car, like this one, except the USA car. I get a lot of our like, generalized emails where the email is publicly available. And my favorite type is the one that's like, hey, I know a buddy who has friends with a dealer whose buddy has an uncle with a 993. But I bet I could connect you to the buddy's uncle. It turns out to be a coupe, a base model cab with tip. But it is arena red. Turns out it was a 964 Le Holden. And also that uncle died and now the car's gone. It's so many layers away. Arena red 993 Twin Turbo folks, I do not want to mince words. I don't know what that means. Okay. Hey, this car pod, you know I'm all about value. 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The most important thing that happened this week is that Filippo and Kennan went to road Atlanta. Tell us what happened. It was delightful. We were there for Imphys Petit Lemont. Michelin Rathbone Road Atlanta. You've got to use the full name. Are we contractually obligate? No, this is fun. Trademark. You won't let me talk about first brand. So I've got to talk about Michelin this way. Thank you. We had the longest ever cars and coffee. We had 50 plus cars in our little car area that were there from 8 a.m. till the rest. Wait, you had the longest ever. Well, from 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. is a mighty long cars and coffee. You think you have like the record? We think we legitimately do think we do. I can't believe I wasn't there for this. The longest ever cars and coffee. I don't know if you were to actually set world records as... Yeah, you got to pay. You got to pay. You got to have people out there. You got to, there's like a lot of work to do that. We didn't want to do that, but we do think it was probably the longest. You had a 14 hour cars and coffee. You stayed there this whole time. I was... Can I have her both there before 6 a.m.? Of course, it's amazing because normally for the cars and coffee to go to every single we can use that for 10 minutes. I'm there for an hour, I believe. This time I was there the entire time. Can I ask you a couple questions? You may. Did you wear your giraffe shirt? I wore my giraffe shirt the day before the cars and coffee. I was at the racetrack. I was talking to people, I was watching racing. It was delightful, but I wore it that day. Who won the race? It was Cadillac. Cadillac won the race. I'm very happy about that, but that wasn't the big talking point. The big talking point was that Aston Martin came second with an NA V12 nonhybrid. The Valkyrie came second, which was amazing. That's the first podium of the year for them. Yep. And to do it in 2025 to hear an NA V12 cars scream... Good. Wait a second. No, no, no, no, no. Amazing. Do it again. Do it again. I want to hear it again. Wow. The Cadillac was like... It was like iron thunder. What's the motor of the Cadillac? It's the V8. Blackwing? Yeah. Was it just a lightly modded 65V blackwing? Yeah, it was actually. This is the prototype. Yeah, it's the prototype. That's what they look crazy. I do want to say, we talked to a ton of really cool people that came from a way... Okay, that was going to be my last question. What was the first thing you saw? The add-ar cars and cars. There was a Mustang GTD for quite a while, which was very cool. Everybody was like... A really cool R34 GTR. Ed Boolean's Veyron. Ed Boolean Veyron. I kind of forgot about that. Ed Boolean was there with a Veyron. A Zimmer. He looked right past it. Yeah. A Zimmer. Such an R5 turbo. Yes, that was also cool. Renault or Renault? Renault, sorry. Renault. Really nice 996 GT2 from a guy that... GT3? GT3, sorry. Guy that was a really cool car. Yeah, it was a really cool car. Yeah, it was a really cool car. Yeah, it was a really cool car. GT2 from a guy that drove it from Austin. Oh, wow. And was not looking forward to the drive from Austin. Wow. But people came from all over. There was a family that came from Maine. A father and a son that drove down from Maine to meet with Kenan and I. What did those folks say to you? I came from Maine. Usually they say... I think that Europeans are the best opinion in the podcast. I heard a lot of conversations and no one said that. But mostly what people say to him is, are you Nick? It's what most people say to you. People think that I'm Nick and I don't understand how this has happened. A lot of people ask me about my multiple and about my mercy. And maybe they say, oh, the Italian cars are owned by the Italian guy. And no, I don't buy real cars. It's owned by the French guy. It's owned by Nick Roussin. So you went there and you were there. It's delightful. Do you feel a sense of when someone says I drove all the way from Maine to see you? Do you feel like you got some obligation to that? You have to be cool. Yeah, and they learn quickly that. Obviously I'm not. Is that a problem for you? No, I think they know what they're getting. Kenan, what was your best encounter? Well, I met a lot of wonderful people. But without question, my favorite one I met was a dog named Teddy, an old retriever named Teddy, who said hello to me. He came over and he sat on my foot and then he laid down and just talked to all our owners. We talked about cars. They were from Florida, I believe. A husband and wife came up and... What were they driving? I can't remember because I was too distracted by Teddy, to be totally honest. They were so nice and Teddy was a very good boy. Can I say what I think my actual favorite car was? Somebody came in a Toyota Sports 800, which is their first sports car. The first Toyota sports car ever made, not the little first, but the model was the first one. I know the car. That was so cool. I parked it in the middle between rows of cars because it was tiny. Oh, you got to choose where cars were. No, no, no. Ryan was part of it. Ryan from our team. He chose where he was. He was much more artistic and good at this than I am, but I chose that one. Oh, how sweet. My favorite car that showed up other than the Veyron is the Veyron. There's a built E46 M3 sedan, not a wagon. Somebody built the sedan. They took a ZHP and did the whole thing. Look good. Again, I'm not a huge fan of modified cars, but it had the S54 and had a manifold stuff, but it was also turbocharged and turbo was hidden underneath and the guy had it to stock exhaust, so it was quiet because he wanted it to be silent and so, dude, it was really well done. What wheels? It was red. What wheels? The competition wheels, the M3 comp wheels. I like the base wheel on the E46 M3. And the ZHP wheels, good. If you want to do it right. Nonetheless, it looked amazing, but all the cars that showed up were really great. They were around a long time. It wasn't just us that were there for 10 hours or whatever. No, we were around. It was just so nice. It's always fun every single time to meet with people to chat, to learn about their VOR that they drove there from Indiana. Yep. To learn about them and be able to connect with them and also to watch a lot of racing. Well, and I want to say I'm very grateful to everybody who came out and said hello and talked to us. We're very humbled by this every single time it happens, but it's just really fun. All we want to do is talk about cars. So I'm different from one another. Oh, yeah, yeah. But we really just want to talk about cars. I'm very sad that I couldn't have been there. I really hope I have to go next year. Indiana's not far from Atlanta. No, I know. It's about 45 minutes. Oh, 45 minutes. You drive through Kentucky and Tennessee right there. It was very amusing to talk to people that were from Atlanta and people that drove in from somewhere else that you think is far. And actually took them the same amount of time. You drive from downtown Atlanta to the race track. Atlanta's far from the track. Close. There's two more talk cars, things we absolutely have to cover. One is that I want to talk about the Cannonball Hotel. Oh, sure. This week. The good pool. Portofino. This week I attended a dinner at the Portofino Hotel in Redondo Beach. Oh, wow. And this is not relevant to you at all. It doesn't matter to your life except that this particular, there you go, this particular hotel, that's the thing that's out front. This particular hotel happens to be the finish line of the Cannonball Race. So all those guys that drive cross country and set the record, Ed Bolian and Alex Roy and all those guys, the starting point is a random parking garage on the lower east side of Manhattan called the, used to be called the Red Ball Garage. Might still be. It is still. And the finish line is this hotel, the Portofino Hotel in Redondo Beach. And I just happen to have a dinner there. The organizer of the dinner did not realize the significance of the hotel, which is obvious. So I'm driving up to the hotel and, and it hits me that what I really need to do is to take a picture at the finish line and send it to Ed Bolian. That's brilliant. And say to Ed, I just did it in 24 flat. I'm the proof's coming out tomorrow. I was like, this is going to be a great trick. On his birthday, no less. Was it his birthday? His birthday was like, and so I did that. And I don't know if he bought it, but then I told him it was not true. But I pulled up at the hotel, surprised to see this large commemorative marker to this thing. And as I'm taking a picture of myself in the car that I drove up there with me, you know, a guy walks up and he, two guys and they go, did you just finish? And I was like, no. And they were like, we did. And they had done it in a defender. One of them had done it. They had actually, they had met there and become friends with her. But one of them had done it in a defender in 36 hours, a new defender and it was pretty quick. The record is like 25, but 36 is still, if you're not, if you're not Ed Bolian, like going hard with a fuel tank in the car, years worth of prep, 36 is pretty, pretty legit to drive from New York City to Los Angeles. And it got me wondering, like I was just taking a picture out front. How often are people showing up at this hotel? And this is like a reason that they're there. Like I just finished, you know. And it just so happened that I was there this weekend in October. This is like the weekend. Typically people have done this. There's like this feeling that October is the right time. People are back in school. The road construction is over. Air is cooler. There's not many people on the road. There's like that's feeling about October specifically and almost all of the records have been set in October. And so I kind of wondered if there would be other people there who had done it. And it turned out there were. Wow. They put you in your place. They did. That's really cool. What's your average speed at 36 hours? I don't know. It's a lot. High. It's in the 90s. Impressive. I don't think it's in the 90s, but it's. I think it is. Because like Alex did 3104 and his average speed, I think was 89 or was 90. Something like that. 91. Well, okay. Let's figure it out. Actually, the book is right back there. I can probably go check if you want me to. It's 2800 miles. So in 36 hours, your average speed is 78 miles an hour. That's impressive though. It is. I will say to Alex, they have a really interesting relationship with Alex. It is interesting to me that he did the 3104 and that was like his big claim to fame. Ed beat him by five hours. And this dude who is just a guy with a defender only lost to him by five hours. Yeah, but you, yeah. Okay. He like had all these people with him. He did all the surveillance equipment. Like this dude got in a defender. Yeah. But at the time like ways didn't exist. I mean, it was 2006. I think when Alex did it. I mean, it like the like, so you think that defender man only was so close because of way also like fuel efficiency has changed with more modern cars. Wow. You think that the new defender is more efficient than Alex's ether and in five. Yeah. I mean, factually, my car is not particularly fuel efficient. Well, let's say 20 new defender fuel economy is 1419. Don't forget a defender. You can put a gigantic fuel cell on it. The thing that dude was a fuel cell. He was a guy. I don't know. Did you look inside the defender dude? He didn't have a fuel cell. And it's how do you know? Well, first off, no one who puts fuel cells in does it in open in cars with open interiors. Oh, okay. But also he was a guy. He wasn't like, he told me he this was like on a whammy just like did it. He wasn't like, don't take anything away from the achievement. Like it was really, I will in fact take something away from Alex treatment. The end bullion did it five hours faster in a used car. He bought it at a Dessa auction in Mannheim. We're going to start a few of the tonic cast people. They're going to make us. I saw I liked Alex discuss the other thing to discuss in addition to my cannonball run attempt is that Kenan has posted in this thing. Did you see what he wrote? I did. He said that he is actively looking for cars. Is it a viper? Is it a hit us? I have been looking for cars. One that would probably look at, but I'm SL 55 is like. Why are we thinking SL 55? You know, he and I were talking about it on live now on the cars and bids YouTube channel and like that. There's such a value and there's like around and the M 113 K is a wonderfully reliable engine. It's a convertible. Yes, it's an automatic, but like, you know, a friend Nick happens to be getting another supercharged Mercedes convertible. Oh my God, that's not confirmed. So now he's only mentioned it a couple of times on the podcast. And his own videos and his own videos on Instagram. And then to anybody who asks, but doesn't ask. He's throwing a party. And so like, and so I kind of like got me thinking about that. So I've kind of been looking for cars like in and around the 20,000 low range, but you keep talking about the third gen Viper. And it's like, maybe I just do it like that would be cool. Third gen. I guess a guest. We have a third gen Viper, but I have, I have reached out to sellers and stuff like, and I've talked to people. We're like, we're fun. We're like, I'm ready. Yeah. But when you, this is not news to me. We've talked about this, but you also told me that you reached out to somebody that was selling it and you set up a meeting for two weeks from that point. Well, you're never going to get a car. It wasn't two weeks. It was three days later, but we'll move on. Fully more. Can I make a suggestion? You're wrong. Today I was driving into the office in my Lamborghini. I haven't considered a Countess. There was a fellow at the fuel station there who was in an SL 65. Wow. Not a 55, but a 65. That's a twin turbo victory 12. Victory 12. That is what we call it in the industry. Let me tell you something. If you're in an SL 65, click on that one. This one? We have the red interior. This is the coolest damn car in the world. You don't want one of these? I do. I'm just, I'm concerned about the maintenance costs even short term. What? Having that V12 in your life. What if I offered. Oh, oh, to give you something towards the maintenance costs. What would you give me? It would be a minus. A 990 twin turbo scale model. You know, I do want that. I do want that. I do want this car. It's about double what I was looking to spend. You get something about 40 to get like an okay one. And they're just hard to, they didn't make many. So they're a little bit hard to find. But do you agree that it's double the cool? To me, yes. So you, it's a V12. The market agrees too. You want to go far? Yeah. I'm not that little. I do want that car. That little wheels. I saw this thing today when I was driving it. I was like, this is unbelievable. How? I wonder about my uncles because he has one and it is perfect. But like, you know, maybe perfect isn't exactly. No, that's the thing. He won't get rid of it. It's easy. He has all these Ferraris and he's got that. And he just, what about his favorite nephew? He likes it too much. Just consider it. I'll think more. What else are we looking at? 30 Vin Vipers. I started looking at, there's some 987. I came in so I had looked at. Do love it. I've been looking around. Yeah, it's a great car. But I worry about that. I get that then when I get the boxer spider, it won't feel as like, I don't know. I think I just want to save that for the boxer spider. Also not a convertible. I understand. But like, my point is the driving experience is not that different. Yeah. And so I want to like, I don't know if I want to save. But saving it for X, Y, Z is kind of what's put you in this position today where you haven't had a lot of special cars. I know. I think the point is I want to get something. I won't. I came into the example. I want, but I want a convertible. Ultimately, this is so cool. And the press that started to hear that sound. What if I could start a motor sound manual Italian convertible today? Does it have trim falling on? Does it have does it have an arm rest? Yeah. No, it does. The metal is one of the doors. Arm rest is still there. What is the status of this 500 a bath? Are you have you sold this car yet? Well, no, because we're going to be using it in some soon to be announced videos. You got to get rid of this. I know our producer said I couldn't. I tried. Hey, Kenan, I got three keys. That's five. I've used this key a couple of times. But so we're looking and we're serious. So, I know. So what's the plan? You're going to, you're going to buy it. You're going to drive around a little. When do you think you drive an SL 55 and not your M five? You walk out to the garage. You see an SL 55 sitting there. It's just like it would be something. I'll just go back and forth between like, I don't think it's like a, I mean, I don't think there's any situation where I drive one or the other necessarily. It's just like, I'll be fun to sell us something. Cruise to coffee. I want something ideally that's not going to cost me a ton in maintenance. And the thing I'm going to have to temper is my constant desire to perfect, which is going to be really, really hard. Are you not concerned about the, you know, the car, the powertrain is reliable, but are you not concerned about the power top? That stuff is a concern. Yes. The, the, yeah. Finding one of the top that functions is really important. And yeah, I am a little bit concerned about that. Or you know what you could do? Oh, get an SL 65 black series. Oh, hard top already. You don't have to worry about any of that. Yeah. I mean, I consider the CL 65 as well. Those are cool, but those are big money. Yeah. CL 65 have like some real interest in the, in the, in the market. Yeah. Pull up. We got any sales? Yeah. I think we, I'm not sure. We've sold some. It's, I guess it's not that much. 30 grand. I think it's probably less. By this one. By this one. What's that? Well, I missed it by, you know, 52,000 miles by this one. Many months. It was August. No, it was two months ago. Send a message to the new owner. He hasn't had time to really get comfortable with it. Let's buy this car. Man, those wheels, best wheels Mercedes ever put on any car. Really? Ever. Everything. We like them. Oh my God. Oh my God. Those are the wheels. These are the, it's the great. I actively just like them. Oh, you. This is the all time greatest factory wheel. Oh, Felipe, that wheel. He's afraid because it's looking at him. It's going to fire him right now. That wheel. Go back to the exterior shot of the car. Felipe, this wheel is worth. I think it is an active detriment to the car. Oh my God. This is, I've heard a lot of bad takes in my day. Most of them from Hoovey and you're going to come here and say this on our podcast. I will not have such slander thrown at this wheel. This is one of the all time great wheels. Period. I'm going to let Ryan Lopez in here. Okay. We got to move on to the market report. Yeah. The market report folks is brought to you by cars and bids. That is the business that we're peddling with this podcast. Okay. That is. I wish we would do a little better. Actually, you think that we're just here podcasting. No, we have an agenda. We have a damn agenda. We want you to go to cars and bids for God's sake. Anyway, it's a website where we sell and buy cars. I think we sell an app to we sell them. I think we buy them. People buy. We don't buy. We connect buyers and sellers of the coolest cars. You bought a car one time on this. Twice. Anyway, that's what we're doing. And I want to talk about a lot of times on the pod we lambast Felipe for not understanding what total cost of ownership means. Yeah. And I was just thinking about it today. Yesterday. The great total cost of ownership car, the G 63 pull up G 63's please. The values do not change. G 63. We just sold this one. Click on this one. This car, how many miles did it have? This is a 1560 with 120,000 miles, 115,000 miles. It still sells for $51,000. This is an 11 year old car with 115,000 miles. There are not a lot of a hundred, not a lot of 2015 cars with 150,000 miles that would sell for $51,000 of any make and model. Yep. Certainly Bentley's are cheaper from this era. Absolutely. And I was just thinking this car, and it's also this car is generally known to be reliable unless you kind of go overboard maintaining it and do things that you shouldn't do up at shops up in North County. And I generally find that this car, aside from the fuel costs, this car is a great total cost. Are we excluding fuel costs from cost of ownership? Well, I think that fuel costs you have to, you probably have to spend in any car. I mean, that's kind of just a given. You could calculate the difference between what this would be versus what other vehicle I guess you would buy. Right. The depreciation, the entire buying cost of a Prius is probably the amount of fuel you put in that car over 117 miles. Well, yeah. It's buying, driving at 117,000 miles, sure. But if you wanted a car to drive for three years and put 15,000 miles on or something, it was like a fun extra car. Our producer has a G550 and a Ferrari 360. And the G550 is the least fuel efficient vehicle. Yeah. Right. I just think that these cars, we've talked about this before, we've gone on G-Wagon Rants before. I just was surprised to see this result because this is a car that someone has really used. It's not a low mileage car. It's not a, it's not an especially like pristine car, but it's still bringing $51,000. Think of it, you don't want a 2015 Range Rover sells for, which was the same cost new. $12,000, $8,000, $13,000. Yeah. I mean, it's unbelievable. Agreed. And the G550 is a new producer, which is so famous and all that. A 15 lane cruiser is now a 30 car, 35 maybe. If that, yeah. This must be the floor for this car, right? Maybe a little bit lower. Maybe, I mean, early, early G55s are still 30s. So yeah, probably this doesn't get much cheaper. Love an early G55. I know the ride is rubbish, but man, they are really cool. Pull up. Do we get one? We have one live right now. We have one live right now, a blown one with mods. Go, wait, go back, go back. Yeah, mods. Let's see, let's see some, some stack. Let's see what some results have been. Give me a silver stocky. This one. 38. 38. That one had miles. You didn't buy this? No, I'm not interested. 70,000. You didn't buy this? Not interested. Why not? You think you're better than a G-Wagon? No. You think you're better than that? I think I'm not good enough. Oh, okay. Well, that's a, I can't help you. Kenan, give us a market report. I recently discovered that we often talk about like for BMWs, and I'm sorry to talk about a BMW, but we often talk about the F10M5 being a great value. Yeah. But recently this M6 sold for $22,750. Now it was in Canada and it had 68,000 miles on it, but that does not look like a $20,000 car for me. I didn't realize that M6s had started to dip there. I knew F10M5s were in the 20 and 30 range, but I didn't realize these were low 20s about to be. What are brand coupes? Grand coupes, I believe, are a little bit more. But I think that, uh, there you go. There's $10,000. 10. Congratulations. Hey, Kenan. 171,000 miles. Go back. Go back. What are they generally selling for? 30. They're a little more. It looks like they're mostly like high 20s, the end of the 30s, even the 40. My point is like this is a much more exotic looking car than the F10. The M5. Yeah. The F10M5. That side shot. Go back to that. That looks really, that's really appealing. You know, I drove one of these and I had it in Imperial Beach and I did a video on it years ago. I thought it was really nice. Yeah. I think it's a great car and like the interior is so pretty modern and like, I don't know. I just like those cars are dipping into the low 20s and high teens. It's interesting to me how some modern-ish cars are now getting cheap. This doesn't look that different from a new BMW interior. No, I don't really think the user experience is that much different. Carplay. Carplay, yeah. I think it does, but probably not wireless. Which is what Filippo needs. He's grown accustomed to it. Actually, sadly, base model market GTIs have wired Carplay. Wired Carplay. The value. I completely agree. I think it's a great value. It's a beautiful car. Fast. What is it, 500 horse? Yeah, 560. They do have some issues with rely up in. Well, that's every BMW ever made. Speaking of BMWs, Filippo, you have a market report for us? I do, but I don't want to talk about BMWs at all. Okay, go for it. Can we talk about, let's go for poor Sanguev. I still don't know how to type for Sanguev. Okay, we just had one fail to be reserved. Yeah. It was interesting. I think there's been very few poor Sanguev at the secondary market. There were a couple when it first came out a year ago that sold for a little bit over MSRP. Yeah. We're now a year in to these big. We had one, right? Didn't we sell one? I don't remember. Truly don't remember. That's how much I think about poor Sanguev. Well, if purest of ears. What was the circuit on this one? The circuit on this was like 490-ish and it had 2000 miles, some of that. Turns out the market does not think these are worth, like these are normal depreciating SUVs. They are not depreciating like the most desirable Ferraris. It was bid to 415. They're also not depreciating like the SF90, which is the fastest appreciating item. Well, we'll see. I think it's a little too early to say how, if it's appreciating like SF90. Yeah, but it is certainly not holding value like the most desirable Ferraris. But no surprise. I mean, none of the SUVs ever have for any of the brands Lambo. Well, no 2 plus 2 Ferraris has ever. True. Although this is a Ford Orchard, which is their first one. It's not a surprise. It is very cool. I love this car. But Cullinan and Urus, you kind of kind of figured. And then yeah, that's a good point. FF and GTC for Lucille and 612 and 456, all those, they all have always gotten, they've always taken. But now we have evidence because there have been very few for sale, but now we know for sure. Yeah. And I actually bet you that when demand and supply catch up a little bit more on the new market, you're going to see even more significant appreciation on the used market. I think right now there are still some waiting lists. There are still excited people. There are people still who are kind of going after them and want them and all that, which is probably pushing used demand up a little bit. I think that it's going to change. I have a suspicion that in a couple of more years, these are going to really, really start to see a bigger appreciation. They become appealing at some price point. I think it's appealing full stop. I think it's the best driving SUV I've ever been in. Really? Yeah. But it better be with a 490 sticker or whatever that was. It's amazing. It is. That car is such an athlete. That car is such an athlete. That car makes the career GT look like a career GT. Yeah. Okay. It's time for the questions, folks, the questions. This is very important to us because it's the only time when you get to communicate directly with Filippo. That's so true. It's the only time when you're able to sit here. I block myself off. Yeah. Filippo is in a silo. He's in a silo of stone. We just power him down. Can I be? Is that an option? There's no Wi-Fi in there. Oh, never mind. It's not interesting. He's in a silo of stone. We found a way to have flak. But when the questions come, it is your opportunity to directly, now, when he communicates with you and you can't talk back, you can't ask a follow-up, that's what I'm here for. If you want to ask a question, you go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab, there's a poster that says questions, and then you post your question. People have been submitting tons and tons of questions. It's lovely. It's lovely questions. I go through now all the questions and find the ones that I think are the most interesting. We're going to start with Lucas Zanger. You think that's his real name? I think it's an alias. Hey, Doug, we love Nick. Please add another chair and make him a permanent member of the pod. Well, Lucas, we're not doing that for a couple of reasons, including the fact that Nick has a job. He's unemployed here. He just shows up. Sometimes he just shows up. I was filming the other day. We had 30 minutes from his house. I was filming the other day, and he texted me, he said, hey, I'm here. No one else. It was just me in the office. I had to invite him. And I was like, Nick, I'm shooting audio. I'm not. I'm sorry. You got to wait. That was that was my Nick experience. I will say good Nick. Good news for everybody. We have a couple of non-overlapping trips coming up. You're gone. I'm gone. Kenan's gone. Somebody else is gone. I'm not going to do a podcast. And Nick will be here filling it out. That's what I was going to say. So we can't add Nick because he has a job, but I think the next four podcasts in a row. Yeah. And then there's also some, our libel and slander insurance. It doesn't cover. We can only have him on once a month. No. The next four podcasts, we have Nick because I'm gone for two and then you're gone for two. Nick is going to be sitting in this chair or that chair or some chair, a chair, talking to people and it's going to be great. So I can't make him permanent, but I can make him semi-permanent. You're going to have a November of Nick. Nick. And also two weeks in October. Okay. Next question from rogue papaya. Oh, hey Doug, what enthusiasts slash supercars do you recommend for taller drivers as a fellow six foot four inch tall guy? And by the way, in meters, that's 26. I don't know how they do it over there. Many of my favorite cars seem to be feasible as a weekend. Don't seem feasible as a weekend car, let alone a daily driver. I'd like to avoid the Mr. Incredible look if possible. You know where he's like crammed. Of course. I actually never have had problems in any car except the four eye boxer and the saline S seven. Yeah. It depends on how your height is distributed. It depends on how your height is distributed. I've never had issues. I've been in both of those cars and even I at six feet tall had problems. Those are tight. So don't get those. But the ones to get, I don't know. I truly have never really had issues in fitting into basically any vehicle. I don't know. I'm five eight. You just hop right in. So that's my answer is I the way that I am configured. It is interesting getting into a car after you. Yeah. It's legitimately eight inches taller than me. I don't have to move the seat. Generally. Dude, I sit close. I'm like a race car driver. You ever see Mario Andretti? He doesn't. He's not doing more of these. Mario Andretti is up there. All right. I like to zip around. I'm like, Ken it. I do like to sit close. I'm we same thing. I don't have to move the seat when you drive a car. Boom. Sorry for not giving you a better answer. Rogue papaya. Okay. Here's a good question from broke med student 8832. The three of you are given $250,000 with the stipulation that you can only use it to purchase one enthusiast car that you share. Oh, dear. What would you agree on? I don't usually like these. You have X number of dollars whenever questions. I usually skip them because it's just gets. But this is a good one. We have to agree on something. I know what count is going to say. Okay. So I'll try to 4GT. No, Ken is going to say a Z eight. No, it's also 128,000. What about a nice Z eight? What about a 993? Yeah, that might be the answer. Really? Surprised. How much is an LMO to six cylinders? Yeah, let's pick something more exciting. You can't get into the mood for 250. What about a 575? That's half the price. All day. That's half the price. A good swamp 575. That's still half the price. Okay. Well, you don't have to use every penny or you get a Super America with no swamp. You have 250. Would you do that? I would like the top to work. So far, Keta. It was too expensive. Those are way too expensive. A 4GT is not a bad. You can sell fine to any for 250. You can't sell it. No. Are we ever past the 250 days? Oh, yeah. I don't even think you can find a salvage, but if you wanted to go with that, I would go with that and we can move on. Mercy would be easier. Oh, yeah, mercy. But only... No, what about a Swapy Swap? Maybe. A swapped mercy. You'd have to buy and do the swap. You had to buy and swap it and then you're towing around there. I would do that. Would you do that? No. You're right. Good point. What about a 575? You're going to have to... I would do a 575. Yeah, but that's 75. 612. That's okay. That's 90. Okay, fine. Do a Novotek body kit. Never mind. We're off 612. What else? Diablo you can get for 250, right? Yeah, what about a Diablo? No, thank you. Not interested. Okay. This is the problem. You're the problem. So what's wrong with 575? Why didn't you agree to that? No, no, no, I did. All right, we're doing 575. 575 and a bunch of cash. Why not a 993? 250? What, like, the Diablo 997 do you get for 250? All of them. Spikers are... 996 GT2. Spiker. 996 GT2. Okay. Oh, yeah. Great. Oh, wow. I'd do GT2. What are you? What are you? Porsche guys? No, but I could become one. Just you. I would do... Wait, do you ride in cabriolet? No, not for 250. Even he wouldn't do it for 250. I wouldn't even... I wouldn't even consider it. You have more fun in your life than that. Okay, next question from CX9er. Rank Emily's car history. Great question. Emily is Ken's fictional girlfriend. Yeah, that's great. We did an office tour many moons ago and I announced that Ken would sometimes shack up here with Emily. I don't remember what... No, I would sleep as he kicked me out. Right, right, right. I thought I'd done something like that. But, you know, sometimes one thing leads to another and the opposite happens. Anyway. She drives an M3 CRT and for those of you who don't know what that is, Emily knows. What did Emily have before the M3 CRT, Kenner? I assume an Audi Q5. She had an E46 M3 before that. Oh, yeah? Yeah, she had a CSL. She had a CSL. And before that, she had the E36 M3 with the flag on it. The LTW. She had a LWI. Before that it was the... The E30 M3, the Evo. Yeah, the Riccardo portray. Whatever. One of the limited editions. She only does really rare M3s. There was an E30 M3 convertible. There you go. You guys start somewhere. She had a cab. So that was true. Family's real. And she only owns the best. She only owns the best. But the thing is, the F80 never gave her what she wanted. She only wanted NA engines and so she stopped at the M3 CRT. She wanted a carbon fiber trunk lid. She wanted red accents. I forget about the red accents. I always forget about the stupid red accents. They're so... Okay. A corrent. A simple question just hopefully stoked your interest in motorcycles. How does it feel that my $8,000 motorcycle is faster than your career GT? Fine. Speed is about 87th on my list of things that I'm interested in and you have not stoked my interest in motorcycles. In fact, if anything, you have terrified me even more that you can buy it for $8,000 a motorcycle that is faster than a career GT. All motorcycles are incredibly fast. Harleys are faster than like every car. And they're Harleys. They're little and they got big engines. They go really fast. They don't weigh anything. But I don't want to die. And if you have a motorcycle, you will die. Am I wrong? 100% we all die with cars. Dude, we're bamming through these. We're going to get to every question. We're going to get to every question. From Knox too, how... This has been maybe a longer question. How is Infiniti still in business? I heard they've ever seen new Infiniti's on the road. They discontinued the QX 15, the QX 65, their SUVs. So they're down to only two models now, which I don't even... Just the QX 80 and what? How do they maintain a dealer network at this point? Is there anything you think they could do to save themselves? They are coming out with a lot of additional products. But they were all going to be electric. No, no, no. Part of Nissan's revamped road map that we talked about a few months ago includes some actual Infiniti models. I don't really know the answer to this question either, to be honest, how they're still around. Look, when you're an automaker, it's really tough to decide to give up all of that brand equity. And also you have contracts with a lot of dealers and suppliers and factories. It's a big decision to wind it down because you are fundamentally saying we never think this is going to work again. We're never going to try this again. And also it's a giant FU to a whole lot of people that trust it in your brand and build dealerships, follow the brand guidelines, build parts for you, et cetera. I would argue though that if someone say the right thing on the wall for a long time... You're getting to that point. You might not be quite there yet because QX 80 is new and I've seen more of them around than I expected, but you're getting to that point. The wall of rental seats. You're getting to that point. This is the signal, Jerry. This is the signal. Yeah. I mean, like it... You know, when you can't even sell a mid-size SUV or a mid-small Q5 size, that's the market. You got to wonder, will there ever be interested buyers for this brand ever again? Will there ever be a market that really wants these cars ever again? It's impressive that they have failed so spectacularly at building a luxury mainstream brand when they had fundamentally built one. The G35 was really popular. The G37 was popular. The FX. The FX was never popular, but... It was huge. It was a large size. You weren't even in America at the time. You didn't see any Italy. Well, of course you didn't. I think they have to hope that they can revitalize it, but I would not be shocked if they realized they can't. You know, something that hit me that I found kind of interesting is the new Pathfinder and the new Armada, I think are segment leaders. Got it. I truly believe... They're segment leaders, right? Yes. Yes, I truly believe that in their segments, those cars, I think the Pathfinder isn't maybe quite as good as Telleride Palisade, but I would put it in top 5. And I would put Armada in top 2. And... Well, there's three entrants in the class. No, I mean, you have Tahoe Yukon Expedition and Sequoia and Grand Ragonier. And I would argue legitimately that in spite of that, no one is buying those cars. And so you start to wonder what would be required for people to do that. And with Infinity especially, moving beyond Nissan, with Infinity especially, what would it take? Do you know what I mean? Like, the Pathfinder is a great vehicle. And people aren't buying it because the Nissan brand is so sullied. The Infinity brand is even more sullied. What would it take? They could make the best car in the segment and it's still not that desirable to people because they don't want an Infinity. And the QXX, it looks good. There's other model, right? Looks good. And it's based on their Armada. It's based on the Pathfinder. That's what I meant. And presumably it is good for that reason. And it looks nice. It's surprising they're not more successful. They've invested that heavily in marketing the brand, I don't think. Or creating good cars for the brand. But I truly, truly wonder, like at some point, do you sit here and say, no matter what we invested, the reputation and the brand and the desirability is just too far gone? Yeah. And then at that point, you cut. I mean, they sold 58,000 cars last year, 10% down from 2023. That's notable. Can you turn that around? Can you sustain it at those numbers? Maybe. Maybe. It's basically a U.S. only brand, too. They already tried and failed in Europe. If I was looking at a graph, a lot of red on that graph. In 2022, they only sold 46,000 cars. They were in the mid-100s. Yeah. I'd be curious, though. I don't really trust this whole sales figures. They had a fight with a Buick guy one time about this. I don't really trust the sales figures. I want to see sales figures. This is from our friends at Good Carbine. I want to see sales figures that aren't fleet sales. I want to see sales figures that aren't fleet sales, which are generally either profitless or really close to profit. For infinity heads. You're rounding the zero. That's the thing. That is a different conversation. Next question from Julian275. By the way, the answer to this question, before I even ask it from me and Kenan, is no, none. But Filippo will have an answer. What? Modification? What is it? After having RJ Scurringe on the podcast, he runs the Rivian folks. Do you have any desire to have more automotive figures or CEOs on? Who would be your dream guest? No, none. Filippo, who? Yeah, I found it really enjoyable to talk to RJ. I think our audience found it really enjoyable to talk to RJ based on numbers. I would love to have more of those conversations. I think Jim Farley is the most enthusiast CEO right now. That would be an interesting conversation. Do you agree that we would CEO or nothing? So if Han came to us and was like, you can talk to our head of product planning to explain why we're such little careful people. Not interested. Big no. We want the Japanese fella and a translator. Yep. I only want the top. It's true. He may speak English, but yeah. Don't you think? Stefan Winkleman. Yeah. Bring him in. Don't you think that our pod deserves the top? Yeah. Yes. We've been there. We've been to the Zenith already. This isn't like a pod that Hoovie does where he can interview like kind of a, you know, be a fellow who's been designing radio head units at Chrysler in the 90s. I mean, it's hard to get people to go to Wichita. I only want the top. So if you're an automaker, Mary Barra or nothing. Mary Barra I would talk to, but less interested. Why? I think that there is a little, there's certain, we're an enthusiast podcast. There's a couple of CEOs that are very much car enthusiasts where I think that comes with you. You don't think Mary Barra, she's spent her whole life in the biz, dude. I think she's like, VR1X. I think she like me is a car industry enthusiast. Others like Jim Farley, I think is a car enthusiast who's an enthusiast. We have a formal, we have Luca de Montez. I want Mary Barra on and I want to quiz her back and front about Caprice. That's all I want to talk about. Caprice classic, the newest Caprice, the police only one. And I don't want to go into SS. I don't care about that. Okay. And by the way. You make an interesting point about Jim Farley. However, I would also posit to you that Mary Barra, Jim Farley is Ford, right? Ford Ford. Mary Barra, it's general motors. There's like a bunch of brands. Not just for, she's got, she can talk to us about Holden. She can talk to us about Opal. She can talk to us about Pontiac. She can talk to us about Saturn. Not part of the family anymore. I'm really sorry. Damn. I was really getting on this dead brand list and I screwed up. I would talk to, that is not a dead brand. They just sold it to somebody else. God knows who. That's the latest. Maybe she can tell us why they sold it. Well, we all know why they sold it. Why this buy it is a real question. Okay. I have to do two more questions. Yeah. Are you ready for them? Ready. Okay. Oh, here's a good one for Kenan. Hey Doug. What is your craziest story of getting pulled over by a cop? Do cops ever pull you over and cool cars just to check them out or because they realize it's you? No, not really, but Kenan has some good police interactions. Yeah. I've been pulled over three times ever. Really? Twice for speed. Once for some reason I'm still not sure about. Oh wow. Give us that one. That one. I was coming home. I was close to our neighborhood, which is in a relatively nice area and I, the window's down. I was driving the M5. I've just gotten off the highway. It was a cool nice summer night. I'm driving and all of a sudden this cop car just spins around to follow me. Now, as I'm driving through, there's a kind of weird road and there's another car in my lane coming directly at me. It's like flashed and laid down on the horn and they dove over. Cop then turns lights on. I go around the corner like I'm going, I go to our neighbor and the cop turns his lights on. He pulls me over and they come up to me and they go, the reason I'm pulling over is for window tint, which windows were down. So I was like, I'll get to that in a second. But did you not see the guy who was in my lane? They're like, no. I'm like, are you blind? Like it was, I was upset. Then I said, I also, I said, what do you pull me over for again? I said, window tint. I went, really? And the guy got all flustered. He's like, oh, we got one of your lights. Did he have a tint meter? No. And then one guy came, one guy, the other, they were two cops. The other guy came up and he said, Hey man, I just want to try really like three, three, nine, and five. And I was like, what? And then they realized something nice that I said, I was good. Where you going? I'm going home. It's literally up there. Oh, okay. No problem. This is recent. They wanted to see if you were DUI. They wanted to see if you were DUI. And you know what? Good call on their part. How fast did you go on on the highway before? I wasn't. That was the thing. And they didn't see me on the highway as it was. It was like awful street. I tell you what street it was on. What were the speeds you got pulled over for back when you got speeding tickets? One was 85 and a 65. And the cop told me if you were, he said, quote, if you're doing 80, I would have let you go. Yeah. Which is 15 over, which is still, yeah, but there's so many people doing 85. It makes sense. I know, but he's, but he also was very complimentary on the car. Uh, it's a really nice car. I understand why you're going so fast. And then, uh, and the first time was it was my friend Adrian. I was much younger and I accelerated underneath the tunnel and there was a cop right there and he got me. And the same thing. It was like, it's really cool. And they said, next time just put it in neutral and you can rev. There's no light. You can do that. So I saw him a couple of weeks later cop come in and I like put it in neutral and just took it right up to red line. You like gave me a lot of cops are car people in the end. Uh, pull over that one time. I did get pulled over that. I've never been pulled over. I never pulled over that one time for his no front plate. Yep. And the guy, I let him know that I was waiting on like the plate frame from, which I was and then he just said, okay. And you know what? To flip his credit, he now has a front. I do. I legitimately did have a front plate and remember he mounted it before he cleaned the bumper. So underneath it, there's all sorts of bugs. Uh-huh. I don't know. What's the problem? I don't understand. The front of my car is PPF. So we're good. It hurts me how little you know. I don't care. Uh, okay. Plastic between the paint and the bugs. Uh, I've gotten pulled over a bunch of times, but it's all worked out. What's the final? I don't have any great stories. The final question is from AJ P. Coons. Doug, can you talk about your employment with enterprise run a car? Did you know I used to work for enterprise? I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, what was your position? What was your experience? What did you like and dislike? And did you leave because of your job offer from Porsche? No. Enterprise run a car was a summer job that I had in the summer of 08. Summer of 08. Uh, I was home from college, maybe I was seven. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I was home from college and that was my job. Yeah. Summer of 07, 08 was the name. What was your job at enterprise? I was a driver. So I, when they needed, cause enterprise is big thing was they would pick you up. And so I would go pick people up at their house and then bring them to the store so they could do all the paperwork and then they'd have their car. Or I would, if a car, like someone who was had rented a luxury and it was across town, I would go with another driver and go pick it up and then bring it back to the location before they came. That must have been thrilling to drive all those 20, what you were doing? Well, take a guess. So it was, it was 07, 08, somewhere in there. I can't remember if it was 07 or 08, but it was, it was right in there. There were two cars that we were all really excited. Calax CTS. Three cars were all really excited to drive. Calax CTS. You know, I don't think, wow, maybe. It must have been. Maybe the new, it was a new CTS. But it came out on, I don't know, it was a new, I meant the gen before. We didn't have the previous gen for sure. I think the new one had just come out. Were escalates the luxury cars? We didn't have anything like that. SUVs weren't as popular yet. This was, this was the, rental car companies have really gone into this luxury game, but at least back then we didn't have any Lincoln town car. Maybe, you know, Ford was hooked up with Hertz. Oh, that's true. Because Ford had owned Hertz and so I don't know that we had, we had Fords because you have them, but it wasn't like, I mean, there were expeditions and stuff, but. Avalon? The number one car that I was excited to drive, which I got to drive maybe three times all summer. Maxima was really hot. The new Maxima with the coin slot roof had just come out in like a four. Yeah. And that was 265 horse. Cool as hell. The G35, which was brand new. Whether Infinity put those in fleets or not. Yeah. Then it was brand new then. It had just been redesigned for like 0708 and that was the most excited to drive. But also the Chrysler 300. Oh, I forgot. This was the first gen 300, the very OG and the base models were trashed, but we had a few 300 Cs with the 5.7 Hemi and that was the most exciting experience of my life. Dang. Driving one of those. I still remember some of my drives in the G35s and the Chrysler 300s. How excited I was at that time. How cool. And those were the cars. It was not that cool. Mostly we were driving really bad. This was the year where Chrysler had the Dodge Avenger and the Sebring and those were the worst cars in the world. They were tough. Tough in the caliber. Don't forget about the caliber. Caliber was the Patriot, the Compass. We had all those. Those were all. That was like the bulk. The Saturn view that was built in Mexico, the bad second gen Saturn view. Maybe they were all built in Mexico. Anyway, that was my job. And I only did it for a summer and I didn't go back after that. The next year I worked as at the Ferrari dealer in a similar job. That was a big jump. Yeah. And then that was that. What was your summer job? I worked all year. I worked at a Subway Santa shop for two years. I also painted houses all summer. A paint house. Bull Garelli over here paints houses. You would come home from school on the East Coast and you'd go back to Wisconsin and what did you do there? That was where you painted houses? Oh, in college. Yeah. I painted houses in high school. In college I had various internships and more academic. You never went back to Wisconsin? I went back to Wisconsin and I worked at the Department of Public Instruction as an intern for a summer. This is a school. This is the agent of the state industry that runs schools. And I also worked at the Value Added Research Center, which is a different UW Madison affiliated education research thing that same summer. This is Filippo's previous life. Yeah. What's on it was in Philly. It feels like when you weren't at school you were doing school-based business. I worked at education. Yeah. What were your summer jobs? Did you ever work in the car world? I never had a job that wasn't in car. No, no. I had my own, like through high school I had my own lawn care thing is what I did. I mowed lawns for a bunch of different people. Did you tow a trailer of lawn equipment behind your BMW? I did not do that. It was all local stuff. But I had a lawn tractor drive over do the thing. I had all my still equipment and all that stuff. I just love the precision of it. You can imagine how straight those lines are. The fun fact about Kennan that I will reveal on your behalf, when you would do your chores and vacuum a rug or a room that had carpet, there would be the beautiful carpet lawns, right? No, I just dislike that. That's for lawns. All right. Apologies. I hate that. When I see it on cars it bothers me. I hate that. Really? But for lawns it's okay. Yeah, lawns is where it belongs. Interesting. Like baseball outfields. Yeah, that's the appropriate application of that striping. My enterprise days were in Denver, United States. A lot of straight suburban roads to deliver cars across. Yeah, no, it was. And I remember there were some crazy incidents. Some people were nuts. One time there was a stolen car and they were like, go over to where the guy's address is and see if you can find it. And I was like, because people would steal, stop paying. And we did do that, but we didn't find it. Nor did we look hard. Okay. For the best. But you got anything else? I think that's all for now. Do we have anything to plug? Just cars and bids. Okay. But like we all know about the damn website. Cars. Today's episode brought to you by Filippo's green corduroy jacket. It has a little on the side for some reason. Cars and bids. Bring the trailer. We all know. Bring the trailer. I said that accidentally the other day and we're just going to use that now. Bring the trailer. All right. Yeah, that website. Bring that Facebook. She had that face thing. But nothing else. 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