Trump Tanks the Economy

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the find out podcast. We're down a couple of guys today. There was a bit of a power outage problem with Zach and Rich is flying their fucking I know so you're just gonna deal with three of us today and we want to start off with something it's a follow-up from the Jay Inslee episode I don't know if you guys remember but Luke was asking him about his jacket and today we're here to tell you that he really meant it because he actually I have wearing it's fucking sweet the same jacket that Governor Jay Inslee wore on our show so I'm twinning with a septagenarian I think Jay is 73 or 4 so that's intergenerational solidarity if I've ever seen her Jenna intergenerational drip he was older than I am now when you were born that's the difference that we're dealing with here so within 15 years of my grandparents yep yep so there you go Jay Inslee fashion fashionista I bet he's never been called that before it's a funny winner of a jacket I bet he would appreciate it I mean it looks great if you you know so anyways but we don't have sponsorship deal with them so we're not going to tell you who it is because I'm not I'm not doing that but let's get to where serious stuff in the annals of we told you so economic news is not great tariffs are causing job losses there's an article in CNBC from this weekend I believe December 4th so late last week the layoff announcements top 1.1 million this year the most since the 2020 pandemic and there were some other articles and I know poly market was talking about it that the numbers are on track to be worse than the great recession and the worst since the great depression so shocker Donald Trump economic genius seems to not be true guys yeah I for one am shocked I I mean I really had to pick up my jaw off the floor it really fucking flabbered my gaston I mean I didn't even my gasses my my flabbers were gassed I don't know what to say I think this is probably the most surprising news that I have also ever heard that Donald Trump who has bankrupted virtually everything he's ever touched is uh is sabotaging the American economy yeah I mean I think if you for those of you and I know Luke you won't uh but for those of you who remember Seinfeld there was an episode in which George Costanza becomes successful because he's literally doing the opposite of what his brain is telling him to do and so like you could take the same approach with Donald Trump no matter what he does the opposite is probably the right decision and we're seeing it now that apparently when you put tariffs in the billions of dollars on goods which jacks up prices not as many people buy them which means people lose their jobs crazy isn't that a wild wild like way that works um and Donald Trump is also now because he's floundering and he can't admit that the tariffs are bad he's now floating the idea that the tariffs are so good that we can get rid of the federal income tax yeah I you know what's like a really good idea let's go back to the economy we had before we got off the gold standard I know I know that's what he's talking about right we replace income tax with the most regressive form of tax there is I think that's a great plan that by the way would have to bring in 10 times what it already is right to be able to replace the income tax that's that's the problem right I mean it's the thing it's like the federal income tax brings in a tremendous amount of revenue to the federal government every year and the tariffs like I said your goods in order for that to work everything you buy would need to be 10 times as expensive as it is now to even become close and poor people will end up paying more of the burden than rich people so of course he wants to do it classic yeah I mean if if there's one purpose of a president it is to enrich himself and to protect intergenerational transfer and his family don't forget about his family and his friends yeah well did you did you hear that apparently Jared Kushner is is advising on the Warner Brothers acquisition of yeah CNN which I know is on hold right now but Kushner is actually involved in making sure these deals get done I mean how wasn't he involved in ending the Ukraine war last week oh right like didn't he was also involved in buying electronic arts yep and also wasn't he supposed to solve Middle East peace how's that going I'm pretty sure because you know you've got that beachfront property yeah Gaza yes yeah I mean that that the issue here is obviously like the amount of corruption that is going on in the background it's weirdly like we don't talk about it that much because everything else is so bad and maybe that's part of the plan here is to make everything a disaster so that they can rob us blind on the back end but like I believe baron trump is now close to a billionaire because of acquisitions in crypto yeah he's 19 years old 20 years old I don't know what he is but I mean just how do we get people to to wrap their heads around this because that like they are being fleeced like blindly and media is not really talking about blindly though like it is directly in your fucking face and like if you're so blinded by the hatred of like immigrants that you don't care is like he literally reaches into your ass and takes your money away I really don't have very much patience for you like genuinely question in front of you no go ahead a genuine question at what point does the economy become so unstable that we start to watch like small towns and villages just start to completely collapse I'll bet you next quarter because right now they have the holidays that's the only as far as I'm concerned that's the only thing that's keeping us afloat I mean because if prices spike on absolutely everything including food for low income earners and we're talking about like parts of rural America where there's just there's simply not like a ton of wealth in every single every single town or county or anything right there are small economies within the American economy that are more vulnerable than than the the nation as a whole at at at what point do we reach that things start falling apart and towns full of people are going down like we saw it during the the Great Recession like Detroit had already been destroyed you know decades ago for for the recovery that it did you know if in 2009 President Obama didn't pass the the original stimulus like Detroit would have gone under again are are we around the corner from that type of thing where entire industries are destroyed and with them cities and towns I mean I think there's a there's an open question about that and I think part of the challenge is and by the way we should know Detroit paid back all of those loans by the way with interest so that was one of the best investments that is how a bailout something Donald Trump has never done and they all the republicans were like don't do this don't do this we would have lost ford general motors chrysler all in one fell swoop which would have basically meant that that Ohio and Michigan would have been wiped out because also then all of those suppliers also wouldn't have been able to survive it would have been a chain reaction it would have been a death spiral we would have we would have likely ended up in a depression if that had happened but in this particular case part of the challenge I think and the part of the reason why the alarms aren't quite going off the way like they probably were in 2009 is because so many a I did it data centers are being built that it's it's lifting the GDP and it's lifting growth because those things are being built but it's a mirage because it's not really helping that many people it's also going to cause energy prices to spike because they are such a drain on energy and Donald Trump and the republicans got rid of all of the energy development incentives for solar and wind which was most of what was being built in the big bullshit bill so you know I next year is not going to be a good year for the American economy and in fact it could get you know unfortunately a lot a lot worse yeah I just worry guys don't worry when Trump says that he's gonna you know all AI regulation that he's gonna be you're gonna have to apply to one thing and then you're done that's his that was his thing at fucking 6 a.m. this morning is that states don't get to regulate AI anymore well that's actually in the law now like that is it's actually a problem I think or they're working on a band of it they don't want states to do it because they basically want them to have unfettered access to whatever the hell they want which is not really how any industry operates so yeah guys get excited uh next year is not going to be looking good but you know I think that I mean from a political perspective you know I mean Donald this this first year is but an abject failure I mean what an absolute disaster it hasn't even been 12 months no and in this time we have seen entire federal agencies and departments gutted and and some of those agencies and departments are are responsible for responding to crises domestic crises including economic crises the the it's it's like you've gotten rid of all of your firemen right when there's an emergency there's not maybe not an emergency right at this moment but when there's an emergency there's not going to be anyone to respond right the levers of of the government on things as simple as like I don't know cutting checks if that needs to happen like all of these things are are are slowing down we we as a country are going are now going to be far less resilient towards any shock that could be a war it could be a natural disaster it could be you know the AI bubble popping and and anyone who you know expects the government to come in and and fix any of these issues like it it's it's just simply not happening yeah I mean the guardrails are off right I mean that's the thing is like we haven't seen it yet because luckily we didn't have that destructive of a hurricane season you know yeah because well Christy Noem says that's because Trump kept him away you know his sheer bravado kept him away he maybe he was nuking him in the secret or there's like everybody in Florida turned their fans on I'm not sure but somehow the hurricanes were kept away by Donald Trump yeah I well done with those nuclear explosions wherever those must have happened but but yeah I mean like there is there are no guardrails and the fact is that we have a republican senate and house that you know is not going to pass I mean if there was a crisis like I'm not sure that there would be money for bailouts and things like that it's like a really precarious time and there just are not as many staff in the federal government to be able to like step up when we actually need them and it's a really you know it's really really scary yeah well I guess if anybody needs like their their personal lives some financial security they can join ICE you know with their five figure shining bonus yeah uh yes well there is good news guys Donald Trump's birthday is now going to be free at all national parks Christ sake now but MLK day won't be MLK day and Juneteenth gee I wonder why they picked those two yeah could what a coincidence are not going to be those and I worked at the tier department so that's part of the you know overseas national park service and you know like I don't even know what to say like these are these these days are meant to allow people to go and you know do be able to enjoy national parks if they have a lot of money or whatever it helps to stimulate them going and now it's like I mean Trump's birthday I mean come on racist old white dudes birthday right well are they are they trying to pass it off as it's flag day because his birthday is flag day sort of and that's yes that's what they've been doing for years every time that they try and do something for his birthday they're like oh no it's flag day like nobody fucking cares about flag day like that's not a real thing flag day is not a real holiday it's not a no and you know what is a real holiday Juneteenth MLK like those are real holidays I mean like it's the signaling like they they couldn't like it couldn't be more obvious right like they are just doing things to and like to enrage you know people of color and and it's just completely absurd but they're doing these things also to distract from the fact that the economy absolutely sucks people are having a hard time getting jobs I mean we in this company like had a had a you know we're trying to hire somebody and got 300 resumes for one job and not that many people even know about us yet I mean like there is this real concern out there that that is really hard especially for younger people and people on the older end to to get a job I mean and then there's also these people who like they have to work there's the story it's sort of heartwarming there's a story this weekend maybe you guys saw about this guy who's 88 years old yep he works at a grocery store because he had a pension I think from an auto company yeah from Ford I thought and they went under he lost his pension his wife dies five years ago he has to work at 88 years old like 88 years old and he's like and luckily this this guy did this like fundraiser for him and like they raised like 1.7 million dollars which is incredible but like and that part is heartwarming to help that person but like this is the society that we are living in where an 88 year old needs to work and by the way when that 88 year old has that job that 16 year old doesn't get that same job doesn't that job is taken because this guy needs to survive and then this kid doesn't get any real-world experience it's like a chain reaction and these republicans are just like yeah but like we cut regulations and we cut taxes and it's like where's the stimulus like they keep telling us oh every time you cut taxes there's there's a stimulative effect on the economy where is it like can we just finally put this to bed that that doesn't work so did that 88 year old make more money than the Cinnabon racist Karen oh god I hope so fuck sake well why don't we tell everybody what that was over the weekend so and for folks who haven't seen it and lucky you shouldn't necessarily go look for it because there's hearing about it is enough there's a woman who just starts she works at Cinnabon she is doing this fully conscious that she's on camera just starts throwing out the n-word and all sorts of other hateful slurs and she has within a few days raised something like six figures so over 100k and you know Americans all over the country these these it's not just maga like there are some people worse than maga are willing to throw a lot of money at these racist people and it's it's an absolute shame that gives and go is a company that that even exists I don't I don't know if good people use it right like as far as I don't think so because why would you just do go fund me yeah well it's a it's a platform for for extremists like they have raised money for the Proud Boys for the three percenters for neo-nazi organizations that are getting sued by by New Hampshire and Massachusetts like they use gives and go as their their crowd funding platform and yet we as as a culture haven't reached a point where we're willing to or I guess maybe not knowledgeable enough to to stop other companies from providing essential services to these American companies right that that's that's what protests is for that's what boycotts are for the service provider for gives and go like cloud flare they they need to be pressured they they can't be helping raise money for neo-nazis that's that's not something that we should allow as human beings right I'm not saying federal law needs to pass to make this impossible I'm saying the the pressures should be economic that you can't allow right racist cinnabon Karen to make a hundred thousand dollars for a 20 second video where she's shouting slurs at people that that's a molly version yeah by contrast this is kind of a tangent did you guys ever see the video of the go fund me founder or CEO when he's interviewed and somebody asked him well how are you doing and the founder says I run a company that is a popularity contest for kids with cancer and if you don't win the contest you don't get the money to pay for your medical care how do you think I'm doing wow I thought that was a parody I didn't maybe it is I'm oh maybe it is maybe it is that doesn't like that's not very good so I thought it was a parody it it looked it looked real like it it looked like a very well-acted parody maybe it was fucking true but I know exactly what you're talking about like he goes on about how if you don't win the the popularity contest you die like that that's the world we I mean it's true it's true I mean and this is the thing you're correct parody okay but like okay but it is even still true but but it but that's what I mean that's what I don't think that was originally their intention but that is what it has become a just a terrible signal about where we are in a country where like whether you know people get diagnosed with cancer and they can't afford the health care coverage in order to get the care that they need in many instances a very curable types of diseases but if they don't have a job that means they don't have insurance which means then that's going cancer treatments are hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars a year without health insurance so for a one in three gophonemies is for medical bills right I actually know somebody that I grew up with who is using it right now because his SSI say uh the social bill social security disability stuff he's been waiting over a year for this to happen and with these cuts in the big bullshit bill it may not now come and he's literally like I I can't survive I can't work because I have all of the you know the pills and the and the radiations and the chemo's virtually make it impossible so is he just supposed to die is that the country I mean this is the country that it seems that maga wants is like if you can afford it fuck you yeah and if you say the end word which is what this person do work till you die right bench pierrow I don't think anybody should ever retire shut the fuck up yes they should the meeting of life is not work yeah as as he doesn't even work like the fucking 10th of the guy is a multi-millionaire million times over um but like that way because he was fucking a hateful piece of shit right right well now it's funny he's like oh I don't like Nick Fuentes and blah blah blah I'm like you created this you are partially responsible for all of this this is your mess but it's really telling that we are talking about two different stories this week one this old guy who dyke should be able to enjoy the let's be honest last few years of his life without bagging groceries and then we've also on the other side got this woman throwing the n-bomb on camera and she's able to profit off it I mean who's giving her like it just you know I mean it just shows you like people you know John Roberts uh chief justice said years ago racism is over in America bullshit idiot bullshit and this is supposed to be the reasonable one on the Supreme Court by the way who says this because he presents like a reasonable human being but he votes another way and it's just a really sad state of affairs that that's where we are you know but I do think that if there is a silver lining here and we've talked about it before I think there's an option an opportunity here to really put forth a truly progressive agenda and we're seeing in these special elections that people are reacting positively to it and it may be that moment for some version of universal health care which of course we will not get until there's a democratic president but you could start building towards that now but I think I think people are fed up and the fact that you have to like basically be charismatic or have a horrifically sad story enough to get it lifted by a social media creator which is this guy like fortunately this person goes around and like does this for people but like you got to catch the attention and every and like what one percent of them get that maybe the thing is yeah you get maybe one percent I mean I really fucking well like a workaholic social media creator with a crazy audience that will raise money maybe changes a thousand people's lives yeah at most right a thousand is is probably too too many because that's like three years of every single day but it's but I do think like you know we saw with Afton Bain and with the Virginia and New Jersey and California results like these overwhelming margins that I think the populist economic message is the way forward I mean James Carville so even saying it James so question question is right now the most the the best example you can think of like a class consciousness moving forward because it's not mine like a moment in my lifetime in our lifetime but like recently in recent history well there's there's this and then there's also 2009 with the economic meltdown yeah the Occupy Wall Street yeah I mean but that was a leaderless movement and this is kind of you know kind of the problem that the left has historically had in this country is this leaderless movement thing is it is hard to gain the power necessary to change the policies might be super popular you know we might might be uh polling might indicate that these are popular policies but unless we are strategic enough to elect Democrats progressive Democrats in all of the right places we can't achieve those things they they just stay as lofty goals and what ifs see and I agree which is why that my pick for a moment that I felt like oh shit we can make make some movement is last year when Luigi United healthcare got popped yeah and it was ridiculous to see how quickly the right move to shut that shit down I mean they saw it was slipping through their fucking fingers but like even some right wing guys were like oh shit you know United healthcare they deny like 50 percent of claims 70 out or 70 for no reason like for fucking no reason maybe it's not like such a bad thing and maybe we should be asking for more well to be clear though not for no reason because they didn't want to pay right which is worse than no reason which is infinitely worse but so like and so the right immediately shut it down they were like well you know violence is never the answer can't do this and like made it all about that when in reality the movement online was not that well I think oh go ahead Chris I honestly think that that is the only time that I saw a real true disconnect between uh the Charlie Kirk's and the Ben Shapiro's and the billionaires that pay for them yes like because everybody's like shut the fuck up Ben you don't know what the fuck you're talking about that was the only time in my life I've ever seen that yeah like the the billionaires gave the marching orders to Ben Shapiro he was going out against his audience and I I imagine that they were threatening his life like not saying that that's well that's what they do in any context but no but I bet they did I'm yeah I bet he got it probably the largest deluge deluge of death threats that he's ever encountered because definitely he he was trying to push something that was just so blatantly uh opposed to and I guess so overwhelmingly obviously um uh not in the interests of of his actual audience so I I would I mean I agree I actually would consider that maybe that's the beginning of this because I I will be honest like when that happened uh which obviously as an individual act was horrific and I've actually well actually the other day I walked by the exact spot and I was it was a very eerie moment I was like because it's now there's nothing there so I was like right about it and I looked at the hotel and I was like oh my god this is the actual spot but and that was awful but but what caught me off was like the so many people were essentially cheering it and on the face of it it sounds awful right you're cheering someone's death and I still think that that is true but would you dive into how many lives were likely lost because that guy wrapped up ramped up the direct result like he's he there's a there was a percentage increase a shocking amount of cases that were denied uh or claims that were denied once he became CEO and so like then you start to understand just the the rage at the insurance industry right like I mean they are in control of most of our lives if you are not independently wealthy health insurance companies can be the difference between whether you live and die and I'm sorry but like somebody that has a profit motive should not be in charge of whether you live or die and they are pushing AI system to auto reject claims that had a fucking ridiculous failure rate they that you he was united healthcare right yeah they had the highest reject I said 70 we should probably fact check that but like they have the highest rejection rates in the country that that they're and I think they're up by a fair amount and but I think sort of like this is this is a bit of a stretch but sort of like last year with white dudes for Harris right we saw in August this movement of men like us who were finally willing to stand up and say like we will take the lead on some of this but it just happened too late right like but we have seen a continuation of that because of the success we've had and the people that come to us and all of that I think that's the same with the healthcare stuff I think America is ready like and if I think you have to message it correctly right like and I think the fact that it would be a job creator number one yes the insurance industry would go away but nobody's gonna miss it no the world and a lot of those people honestly would have to go into federal government to manage that system but it's also an economic driver because so many more people will be able to start businesses because they don't have to worry about the healthcare and I also think the increases that we have seen in the premiums over the past few months where people are like we're literally playing double and triple next year you see them all online right people are like I paid you know eight thousand dollars and now I'm gonna pay 16 thousand dollars like who in America has an extra eight thousand dollars just hanging around just to just sink into the same thing that you got before when you still have premiums and you have all this other bullshit so I really do think that we don't forget everything else is more expensive too right I mean it's a it's a perfect storm of shit right like that all of these things are happening and that's why we're worried about stagflation as well which means prices and rates stay high and then everything sucks that's what happened in the late 1970s and I think that's where this popular like I will be honest that that you know the our economic system has failed in healthcare like it it it it just has yeah like it should not be there I've I've said it you know on so many episodes of this show like I have socialized medicine and I have better healthcare than pretty much everyone I know you know in some pretty high tax brackets like I literally do not have to worry about what happens to me because I am a disabled veteran and everything is paid for from you know preventative care to medicines to checkups to everything like it it truly is a wonderful thing not necessarily worth going to war for but I I don't think that anybody should have to go to war for the right to not worry you know if they're going to go bankrupt for a health problem like part of that part of the story with that 88 year old is I think he owes like $215,000 in medical debt that he is working exclusively because he wants to whittle it down as much so he doesn't pass it on to his family I mean what a like what a horrible story right we're we're supposed to be we're the largest economy in the world we're quote unquote the most free but not really and this guy this 88 year old guy in his final years is making sure that he doesn't pass any debt along like what are we doing like what like like what what kind of country is this that that we allow this to happen and I think enough people are finally waking up to it and saying enough enough like yeah yeah is you know if sack we're here I think he'd be talking about how people need to feel the pain in order to order to feel the need for change and fucking feel the pain or feeling it now yeah yeah I mean I saw I saw that it was like one of the biggest percentages of purchases at Black Friday were he done with either a credit card or pay in for yep which paid pay pay that pay it later stuff they have half the interest rates on those things well let's let's talk about this then let's let's do a hypothetical what what type of policies would excite you from coming out of democrats in the midterms and then obviously which would be a lead into the presidential in 2028 what are the types of things that you want to see from a candidate Luke you're first universal healthcare one list okay what else um I saw weapons ban yep good um fuck I got another one but I gotta think about it I don't remember what it was Zach oops Zach Zach's not here I'm used to going to Zach God these guys hear me say the wrong name every time I think I got that from my grandmother who used to go Tim Ryan Jean like all of us before she finally landed Chris the whole that I mean the only thing that I I really truly care about is taxing the fuck out of wealthy people and that went to my list but it's not my last one that is that is like the key to solving all problems in this country is simply rebalancing the burden that is government services being paid for by disproportionately by the poor the people I need those government services congressional stock trading ban and term fucking limits then I'm done I think I've got all of them I I have a I'm gonna let's talk about uh term limits for a second so I I agree in theory my worry with that is that if you have let's say a three term four term term limits you're essentially handing over all the power to the lobbyist because there's not going to be any lobbyist ban and then they will go add that to my list then and they will go they will go to lobbyists to write legislation for them I've seen this in my home state of Maine where they have term limits and they there is a very strong lobby in Maine smaller and you know you don't hear about it but it's because you have part-time legislators they're not full-time they make like $25,000 a year it's like nothing and lobbyists are handing them bills and then they go yep put it forward now do I think that maybe there should be some sort of upper age sort of like uh there are industries that have that like is that like a cap 75 year whatever the actuary table says is the average 65 yeah well okay social security get the fuck out I agree with with Tim and in that I used to feel very strongly that there should be term limits like back in I don't know 2008 2009 is I was like beginning to become politically aware post post-army service and this is when I was like a Ron Paul guy I mean I'm supporting one of the oldest men in fucking congress who's been there forever and for some reason I'm like yeah term limits yeah but anyway when I finally got to DC you know first working as as an intern in a senate office and then as a lobbyist or as an advocate for veterans organizations I came to realize the value of institutional knowledge and I think that the way that this problem gets solved I think that term limits may might not be the worst thing in the world I do believe that there should be an upper echelon an upper upper limit of age the same way that there is a lower age in the constitution right we we are founded that way for a reason it's not it's not completely arbitrary right right we want maturity and I also want to make sure that people aren't unhealthy and we shouldn't be looking for our fucking senators in their nursing homes so no it didn't happen house literally happened house member but yes I'm sorry so the way that you solve one of the ways that you could potentially solve the problem that would be created with increased churn with term limits is simply pay congressional staff more yeah because if congressional staff are are overworked constantly underpaid constantly in a high high stress environment and they become policy experts very quickly because you either you you don't last or a singer expert and then they've they're sitting there meeting with lobbyists all the time who are just like hey water's warm over here making four times as much as you were right you know half as much a quarter of what you do like have real vacations because because when the senate you know house and senate go home those those congressional staffers are still working like that that's that's the way it works the government is is always open even when it's shut down well that's it's I mean if you know anything about DC you know like what I actually applied when I was right out of college I applied for a job on the senate banking committee junior very very like the lowest like a staff assistant type job it was like 21 500 a year like and DC is not a cheap place now yes this was 20 something years ago but like it hasn't gotten that much better thanks thanks Luke that's you got it but but what happens on the hill is like lobbyists and organizations associations do fundraisers and or they do like cocktail parties and things like that so a lot of these staffers who don't have any money for food they live off of these things and then there's you know these lobbyists are it's almost like the lobbyists are like working their own feeder system it's like bring all these kids in like we're feeding them they know who we are we're chummy with them they get some free booze at the same time which is like the staffer dream on the hill and because by the way the drinking culture on Capitol Hill is quite significant and like very very significant and and and that's the that they it is worth the money to them to do this stuff and I think you're right like and then they get up to you know it's staff's distance the lowest or I think and then it's legislative correspondent and then it's legislative assistant staff director chief of staff I think is out goes legislative director legislative like legislative council right but like those people because they can't make more than the members like some of these people who have like 20 years of legislative experience they make like 150 000 a year which again most part of the country that is a good salary Washington DC it is a good salary but like you're not buying a house on that it's not ridiculous and you will be a lobbyist for four five six seven hundred thousand dollars a year and barely do anything and the reason they're giving you that job is because they want you to go to your friends in that office and talk to them and I'm and guess what folks that connection is far more powerful than someone picking up a phone phone or writing a letter like it's just the reality of what these jobs are so I would I would pay them more so I said term limits and maybe it's more than that but the the biggest reason behind it is if you want to excite young people and I'm speaking as our resident young person if you want that we weren't saying that Luke I know I'm I'm marketing I got so much shit for that and now we're saying it anyway anyway if you want to excite young people have some old people say all right we're we want to get out of your fucking way yeah like we have no interest in ruling you but the fucking way it feels right now is like all right we got a bunch of old people who don't give a fuck and who aren't going to be around to see the consequences of what they do I mean they got one foot in the fucking grave yearning for the urn and they're making decisions that will affect us for the rest of our fucking lives and if nothing else all it does is inspire apathy why does it fucking matter if Mitch McConnell is gonna fucking shaft me and I'll never be able to make a difference why why bother being even knowing what's going on maybe we should put that like because he has he is done it next year maybe that's someday whenever it happens his gravestone should be he shafted us all because he absolutely shafted the middle most damaging figures in 20th and 21st century politics is that guy the fucking worst but we have them on our side too I don't I'm not going to rename because there's a lot of talk about her but there is an 88 year old member who is running again and there is questions about her mental acumen which at 88 I think is fair staff have said one thing about what she's doing she goes in front of the camera says another thing I don't like it's one thing if you are functioning but like we've seen this a few times Diane Feinstein's another one she had dementia they couldn't get her to quit like they tried they were like you you should like I think even Chuck Schumer did like you can't do this anymore but she was already in an altered state and was like meh no I'm here so like I think about it is is I know young people who feel like they've already been burned once they voted for Biden he said he was running as a transitional candidate and then he ran again and this whole shit happened like I know people who were politically active when Biden was like first getting elected who now don't give a single fuck yep yeah well we have to reengage those people and I I do think that we have seen at least on the democratic side we've had a few folks who have stepped down or is are of an ounce they're retiring dick Durbin is one of them the number two in the senate for the democrats gary peters in michigan there's there's there's a few others but you know and I there's rumors now that there are at least 20 more republicans in the house they're looking at retiring because the economy is so bad and they don't want to end with an L so there is going to be some shift over and I don't and I don't think the 20s the presidential race to 2028 I don't think you're going to see a single person over 70 because I think everybody knows that that is a loser at this point it's too dangerous I mean this is like I I mentioned this sometimes like in 08 the argument was john mccain was too old he was 72 or 4 right like now that seems like a spring chicken so like I think we're going to see like whoever it is is going to be sub 70 on both sides I think so JD prance do we think JD vance is is going to run away with the nomination I'm I think that I mean donald trump is is impossible to control or or predict like if if it's up to donald trump donald trump is running again but uh all of the money power behind the trump administration who they really like is JD vance and JD vance is is ideologically aligned with the techno fascists and you know the the peter teals of of the world and you know we see people who you know might be a targeted minority under a under advance government like mark zuckerberg who will apparently just go along with the fascists until the leopards come home and eat his face so I mean I personally think that that JD vance is the only answer I I don't think that the the techno fascists the billionaires the elon musks of the world would allow anyone else into that position I think we shacked up with area with erica kirk by then too so it won't be uh you know then all the people that are upset that his wife is not a white person will be shut up too so then the techno the techno fascists really like him I got to do this aside I don't really like talking about um erica kirk because like this just happened recently and I'm I'm just like very uncomfortable talking about it but she says something very offensive the other day uh about cities because of course republicans think that the cities suck and we're all terrible and they're all hell holes even though they're the economic engine of this entire country and she said that people in young people in new in cities are replacing relationships with their jobs and I just thought like what is she said specifically women yeah she said women are not having children like because they're and and because at the same time she was also and because they want the government to support them and it's like right you're you're a career first person who wants the government is supporting you that is those are opposing ideas also erica kirk went on bravo's summer house which is a debauchery show of drinking and excess of mostly white people going to the hamptons and getting fucked up for three months she went on that show so I don't even these beliefs aren't aren't exactly yeah I don't really want it I don't really want to take advice from somebody that went on I mean I actually know one of the people on summer the very nice person but like that and the show I mean the show is obviously I can act but still like if you were like I'm this like moral like blah blah blah like you wouldn't go on a show I mean I wouldn't think that a very religious person would want to go on a show like that but she did so like you know I don't want to critique people's choices but when you're going to start prescribing or describing what what people living in cities are like and you get it that wrong then I'm sorry you're going to get shit I never went on a reality show in New York like you know like give me a break like this stuff but anyways well don't worry at least at least turning points got that that student who wrote that fucking shitty essay speaking at OU so they so this is you brought this up last week as your get fucked segment of this of this woman 1920 whatever she was who wrote this essay and she wrote it it was supposed to be about gender roles or something like that and she used the Bible as her source but she didn't even cite it she just was like the Bible says this well where's your fucking ACA then yeah no footnotes Bible no footnotes no footnotes us by well I don't even know how you would cite the Bible but and then it was of course because her she thought she was being discriminated against because her instructor is a trans person which I don't know what that has anything she wanted attention right this was this was a it was planned it was planned yeah her mom is a defended January 6ers oh it's it it goes the whole way down yeah yes this is like a whole thing but this is like a cottage industry right and frankly it is a way to get rich it's right how much is she's how much is she playing the Riley Gaines playbook how much does she raise or what she didn't do a raise sorry I'm thinking I'm gonna come I'm combined I'm speaking to her is everywhere yeah so she's gonna make she's gonna make money I mean this is like this is the thing guys like this mega thing is it's all about the grift yeah I don't know why people like it's I mean once you're in it's hard to admit you're wrong but like they're leaving most people behind like most people are not benefiting off of this stuff and and and yet they've managed to blame immigrants I mean the Somali thing that this person using the n-word pretty telling that Trump has been attacking Somali immigrants over the past few weeks and then poof this woman is caught on camera using the n-word gee I wonder why that happened yeah yeah shocker so so in the spirit of that I have a I have a special git buck segment ooh it goes it goes hand in hand with something that Donald Trump let become okay you guys you guys are aware of the people who've been driving by the wall the Tim Walz's house shout oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but say that again so that people hear so so Donald Trump called Tim Walz the arseller and a true social post and since then his chuckle fuck fanboys have been driving by Tim Walz's house shouting the arseller and I would just like to make this publicly fucking known that God wasted perfectly good assholes when he put teeth in your fucking mouths if that is the only thing that you can fucking deem to do with your time I mean I cannot imagine living such a hateful spiteful fucking garbage life that I mean I see these pieces of shit posting this is what I voted for as I like videos of people driving by the house I cannot imagine living a life like that and the only thing that's worth saying is get fucked I mean I cannot imagine it it's awful I if you hadn't done it I would I would be happy to do it get fucked on this imagine how I'm emotionally stunted you have to be that you're like honey kids get in the car we're going to call the governor the r-word like yeah yeah it just blows these are people who who have never faced consequences and and we need to the the right has successfully branded this idea of consequences as cancel culture and made it bad right we as as you know the left or whatever you want to call us need to bring back consequences we need to make it difficult and expensive to to be using the arseller while you're driving by someone's house who you know has a disabled child like that is that is beyond cruel it is there there is no legitimacy to this it's not free speech and debate it is your garbage person it is cruelty cruelty and people should be people should face consequences being careful with my words trying not to get upset people people should face consequences when they do this kind of thing well I it's a good point because I had kind of completely forgotten that his son Gus has some developmental disabilities I think he might be neurodivergent might have something else so like people come on like you don't have to like Tim wals politically but you don't have to do that like it just it's you're telling on yourself more than you are doing anything else and I see it on well we're all starting to use Facebook again politically because they turned off all the political restrictions when I talk about this stuff the all these people comment about the R word and how happy they are and I think it's just like look how sad your life is that you actually think that that is like as a grown-ass man pity them I actually pity yeah it's really sad I mean imagine that that that's the highlight of your day yeah I mean imagine how convoluted their beliefs have to be right like they they voted for Trump and they're like the economy is going to be so good I'm going to be making so much money there's not going to be any tax on overtime I'm going to be able to go on vacations with my family I'm going to buy a new car and I flash forward a fucking year and the only good thing they can say is I get to say the R word now right well so one one of the things I I keep saying like impose consequences but I I'm not being clear enough and I think I our listeners deserve this we're in the holiday season right now right the whole all of December is the holiday season families are getting together people who don't normally see each other flying across the country if you have someone in your life who is imposing costs on you with their cruelty their ignorance and it upsets you to be around them whether it's your mom or your brother or your sister or any anyone else the way that you can impose a cost on them is simply deny them your presence during the holidays it if if all of these MAGA people faced consequence social consequences that's what that is you know families is very important if you are able to to say no I am denying you access to me I am no longer allowing you to be abusive and to reward you with my presence which is which is what if you know family relationships are right I will no longer support you emotionally you just walk away from those relationships that that is what that is one of the it is emotionally taxing for everyone involved yep but for our listeners that is one of the easy ways relatives relatively speaking to impose consequences on these MAGA people who are so cruel you just need to show them what what cruelty is though you're not doing it without reason you're you're giving them an example of things that they can lose if they continue to be driven by hate right yeah I think that's right and I think people need to make decisions for themselves people need to prioritize their own happiness and I hope people take that I hope they did it at Thanksgiving and yeah with their families at Christmas so we'll talk more about that but I think guys it is time to wrap we already did our get fuck segment this week do we have no merch on screen this time I have nothing on I got there we go there's the I got the Isaac the Isaac Newton got a new and I did my new my best new sim but I had a shirt on underneath but uh yep please everybody go purchase our merchandise at find out podcast.com also thank you to everybody who became members over the Cyber Monday special that we had we had a 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