Hey, Million Dollars Worth of Game listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Right! You're now tuned in to... Million Dollars Worth of Game. Listen, this is real game now. You know, our game means God's intentions, motivation, education. But today I feel like, to be honest with you, I know a lot of y'all hear about my basketball stories. and what's so great, what's so great, Doc, is that when I tell the young kids my basketball stories, there's, back in the day, it was no footage. It wasn't no phone. So can't nobody say if I, when I was talking about getting 30 or 20 or grabbing some, they really can't, playground stuff, so they really can't talk about it. But today I feel like, I might put 30, I'm going to say, I'm going to keep, I'm going to be humble. 10, 10 and 10. 10 points, 10 rebounds, 10 assists. I just feel like that because Doc here today. Like, you know what I mean? I just feel like that. But we happy to have you here. You're a legend. You inspire so many people around the world. But one of the questions I always wanted to know, and I never asked nobody this question. Was y'all playing music in the locker room back in the day? We didn't have the headphones. We had the boom boxes. Whatever. And music was around. What was y'all playing? Let's put it that way. What was something that y'all playing? Y'all get fired up like, yeah, we ready to go out here. Yeah, well, you know. I mean, for me, you know, it's more like Marvin Gaye. Okay. And for some of my teammates, they were like James Brown. Hit me, hit me. They want to hit somebody. Or whatever. So, yeah, we had fun in the locker room, man. The locker room was fun. At halftime, you come in there, slice up them oranges, eat them, get the energy, go out there and do what you got to do. So, yeah, there was things about that that don't get talked about. And so I'm glad you're bringing it up. Yeah. Like, you know, because when you see a locker room now, like, they're laver. They got all this stuff in here. They got all this support. They got smoothies. They got all this stuff. Yeah. You just said y'all was coming back just eating orange slices. Yeah. Powered up from orange slices. Yeah, you're right. And go on. You're right. Then when I got to the pros, guys were smoking in the locker room. That freaked me out, man. Smoking cigarettes or something. Yeah, smoking cigarettes. And they going out there playing hard like that? Hey, man. I told you it freaked me out. Damn. I never smoked in the locker room. And I don't smoke cigarettes. I used to smoke cigars, you know, for a while and let that go. But, yeah, stuff like the locker room story. I think we could do a documentary on the locker room story. Okay. Because it was just deep. It was way different back then. Yeah. It was totally. I was walking in the locker room, they got cigarettes and lit up in there. Yeah. So, you know. What you want to do today? Short. Short. Yeah, and you score, and you score. And yeah, he just scored 30. He smoked. He was like. Yeah. Damn, he smoked a Virginia Slim? But now, it's crazy because when you look at the players from the past, right, and like even I was watching a Michael Jordan documentary, and he was playing in game six of the finals, and he was like, Mike, so what did you do today? and he was like, oh, I sat in my room, I played the piano and drank wine all day. And I'm like, damn, on a championship day, that's what you do. Now these dudes, they got these things, they lay on, they roll their legs out, they got these things they put on their back. These guys was coming in there throwing some chucks on, some converts jumping from one side, no support, nothing to the other side, laying it up. It's just like, y'all guys were different animals back then. Was it no taking games off or rest? I'm tired today. See, I think there was great insecurity. It was called the next man up, right? And what that basically means is, you know, you go to the sideline holding your hip and whatever. If you don't come back soon enough, next guy up is in your spot. Right. So, you know, I mean, it's like survival out there, whether it's amateur, pro, whatever. I mean, we started on the playground. Guy can't play. The next man comes in. He got the spot. And then the next game, he's starting. And you got to earn your way back. You know, so now with the load management and all that stuff and the compensation, there's such a difference between the first guy and the 12th guy. 12th guy ain't got no shot getting into that lineup because it's just economics. If they would have had little management back in the day, what's the percentage of the players you think would have been cool with it? I know you sitting out there. I think it's a small percentage because even back in elementary school, man, I never wanted to be late or absent. You never wanted to sit out a game. Well, I'm just talking about going to school. I said, I didn't want to be late. and I want to be absent. So that carried over into my basketball. I want to be late for practice and I never want to be absent from a game. So, you know, like if you played 82 games, I want to play all 82. You know, it would take something dramatic to even make me play less. And I mean, I think for a long time, I never played less than 78. You know, you get a sprained ankle, You have to sit out a game or whatever. It's like come back real fast. As soon as you can. Yeah. Now, coming from the transitioning from the ABA to the NBA, where when I do some studying on the ABA, what I come up with is that they try to say that the ABA was more flash than substance. what's a story that's not true about the NBA that the media and the people still think is true about the ABA? Well, just that it was clear-cut, you know, better talent, better league. And I always personally just thought that the only advantage the NBA had over the ABA was depth. you know they could go 7, 8, 9 man deep you know before you get to the guys who are just there and the ABA could go 4, 5, maybe 6 and whatever 7, 8, 9 9 guy those are interchangeable parts so that's what I personally used to feel and then when they had the merger and the first year they had the All-Star game and they had out of the 24 players, I don't know what the exact number was, but it was more than half who had played in the ABA. And I was MVP in that game. And after that, you heard little about that former comparison that the NBA was so dominant over the ABA. But, you know, I mean, you have to give credit for history. I mean, when the league started back in 1847 and evolved to what it became, you have to give credit to that. Absolutely. But it was a big difference. I mean, physically and visually, there was a big difference because, you know, the flare in the ABA and the things that used to happen. Yeah, guys going airborne. You know, they used to tell you, don't leave your feet until you know what you're going to do. Right? And, you know, and sometimes it became an ABA thing. well I'm gonna leave my feet and then while I'm up there I'll figure out what I'm gonna figure out what I'm gonna do somebody jumps in front of me right you know you have to dip or you have to whatever you know it's like Darryl darkest he's talking about doc used to jump he's put on the air brake and he started thinking about what he was gonna do Should I go this way or should I go that way? Click, click. That's crazy. He used to crack me up, man. So when the ABA and the NBA merged, okay, and the ABA had better talent, why did it merge to the NBA instead of the NBA merging to the ABA? There were more teams. More teams. More money? In more established cities. Oh, okay. You know, that had a lot to do with the sort of four teams that, you know, got brought in. You know, there were no NBA teams in those cities, and some of the teams that got left out, still to this day they don't have ABA or NBA teams, but a lot of them fell by the wayside because they couldn't support a professional basketball team in their market. And now in almost all the markets that the NBA is in, there's one or two other professional teams in there, and most of them have three other professional teams in there. So the support of the teams by the market itself is dictatorial. How do I feel? You know, a lot of times you only see documentaries come when some people are gone, they're not there. And a lot of times you don't have people to tell the story of what was really going on. How did it feel for you, you know, with Soul Power, to be able to be there telling a story of what really was going on. Because, you know, every documentary is somebody else. Their idea of what was going on or what somebody told them that told them that told them. Yeah, yeah. You're right. You make a good point. You make a good point. So how does it feel? It feels great. You know, in 2012, I came with my personal autobiography. And the autobiography was a documentary just regarding me. But this is about the league that I started my career in and the league that still lives and flourishes in today's NBA. You can't go to a game and not see evidence of the ABA being there and the things that happened in the ABA trial and errors and things that worked, things that didn't work. and I get excited about that because my transition from college to pro basketball was through the ABA and also through the summer pro league. So playing in the Rucker there guys who played in the Rucker the street legends you know every time I see them interviewed they were like yeah man Doc really learned how to play ball over here in the Rucker League And I never played in the Rucker League until I was 21 years old, so I knew a lot of stuff before I got there. But something happened there that was a validation, and validation of my destiny. and I think things might have been different if I hadn't played in the Rucka. You know what's crazy is like when you think about the ABA, you say with the way you got the NBA now, could an ABA exist in this type of day and time? And then I thought about when I was thinking about the question, I'm thinking about it. I'm like, man, I've been to Big Three for years with Ice Cube and I've seen it grow from here to the arenas getting packed now. And it's not five on five, but it's extremely entertaining and I'm seeing a bunch of people. You know, if you was there from years ago and you see it now, the stands are getting more and more people. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's the validation once again of, you know, an idea that goes from just being an idea to being a reality because I'm sure three-on-three existed for as long as the NBA has existed. And I grew up, I was playing two-on-two, three-on-three, one-on-one, and those were just pickup games. So it was there. It's not, okay, who's going to package it? So Ice Cube decided to package it, plus in different parts of the world, it's already packaged. Oh, okay. And they played three-on-three, and they want three-on-three to be an Olympic sport and so on and so forth, which is good, and it's good for the state of the game. I think it should always be in the mode of trying to better itself. Yes. You know, that's how you continue to exist through trial and tyranny, by bettering yourself and always being able to produce a better product. I think that's what the fans demand because, you know, they're all up in your pockets. It's different now. They're all up in your pockets, man. I don't have any discussions about All-Star Weekend, that I was just on the phone with my son, and he was like, I might need to hit on you for a ticket or something, because what they're asking, you know, these tickets are like $7,000, $8,000. I can't even imagine that. Ain't no way I'll pay $8,000 to go to a game. I'm sorry. How much was y'all tickets back in the day to get in the All-Star game? $8. $8? Dang, I went from God, dude. He had a 3-0. It was $8. God damn. I think about it. I know. The thing about it is if people was back then was like, damn, $8. Yeah. That's crazy. I don't know if I want to go that bad. $8 ain't that important. I'll give me a whole grocery shop. That's deep. But it's like the reason I ask that because the day, like you said, the fans. This episode of Million Liesworth a Game is brought to you by DraftKings. 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Minimum odds required. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.co slash audio. Limited time offer. They know a lot. And it's like the fans always demanding more based off the salary you got. So it's like, that's why I see it because the ABA exists in this day and time because they're always looking for an alternative. Yeah, yeah. Like this ain't enough. And you know, back in the day, it wasn't public information. You know, that started somewhere in the last 20 years or whatever, where, you know, they basically reported people's contracts, their earnings, taxes, all that kind of stuff. It's available. You can go look it up. Go online and look it up. How much is Kevin Durant making? 40, whatever. and before that used to be that used to be your business your salary used to be your business Doc was just Dr. J they didn't know how much he made he just was a superstar they didn't even matter how much he made that's Dr. J now girls be in the club like this he make 52.6 million a year him right there that just make you a target it seems like they got a lot more pressure today because of the finance, because of the openness of their personal business. They'll tell you where they live at. They'll tell you anything about them. Whereas though it's no safe, they'll tell you who their wife is, where they live. Nobody knew that before. Yeah, no. So it's scary. It frightens me a little bit too, man. The knowledge and the information that is available. Right. And I mean, I can see if you want to look up somebody's criminal record or whatever. Right. To save you from being a victim. Yeah, I understand that, yeah. But how much they making, you know, come on. Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of money. That ain't everybody's business. Now, all OGs, the old heads, the veterans of the league, they always say, when we played, it was a lot tougher. It was a lot rougher. These kids got it easy, which I do believe too because I'm 49 years old. Yeah, yeah. But do you think that it is some players in the league now that would still flourish in the league back then? Even though it was a lot rougher, it was a lot. Because you got to understand, last night it was a fight on TV that wasn't even a fight. They swinging. They not even trying to hit each other. They running. That's the dance. That's the dance move. You're always going in the air and punching people in mid-layer. I seen a whole clip on Bill Lambirne. I was like, oh, my God. So do you think it's some players still that would have flourished in those times, even with it being that much more aggressive and fierce? Yeah, there's guys in the league who have reputations. They don't back down. and they're actually looking for a confrontation. Right. Which is kind of interesting to see. Every now and then you're watching the game and you start saying, oh, yeah, he'll go. You know, he ain't going back down. He can take the little contact. And back in the day, I mean, there were the known enforcers, you know, the Oakleys and Maurice Lucases and so on and so forth. and nobody necessarily mess with those guys. And they love to intervene. They was waiting for somebody to get in. When I was playing Tim Bassett and Rich Jones when I was playing the ABA, I mean, I had Tim and Rich. I ain't never had to ball my fists up. They was on it before anything bad happened because they like, no, you ain't messing with Doc. He's my guy. And it was part of the beauty of the league that there was an understanding. And there was sort of like an unwritten rule in terms of, well, this guy, he's coming in the game. He got six fouls to use. Who is he going to hit with them six fouls? Because he ain't just love tapping nobody. When he hit somebody, they were going down. So it was kind of like the hockey effect. Wayne Gretzky, he got his guys. Y'all hit Wayne. y'all know these, they coming. Yeah, that was truth, and that was the same era. Hold on, so the ABA, you had the two guys. You had two guys. As soon as you got into something, we had Vernon Maxwell on here, right? Yeah, yeah. And Vern said, Larry Bird was a cold motherfucker. Yeah. He said, Larry Bird did a pump fake, and him and one of his teammates got crossed up, and they fell and laid a leg. Bird hit a jump and told him, get up. Get up and take some more of this. So now you get to the league the cool calm collective Dr. J. You never really see a man angry or nothing. What happened with you and Bird? What you talking about? Oh, I'll tell you. Because that was the one time the enforcers didn't step in. What you talking about? No, no, no. Barkley and Moses, they both stepped in. Oh, they stepped in? And they were stars. You know, Moses was already a star. Charles was a blossoming star and whatever. And once they saw what was going on, you know, that little pitty-pitty stuff that me and Bird was doing, wasn't all that dramatic. It looked nice, though. I ain't going to lie, though. And next thing I know, they grabbed him, took him on the ground, and they said that I punched him, you know, after they grabbed him. But we already had our little altercation. It wasn't going to be crazy, you know, because, I mean, we were both leaders of our teams, and, you know, he was young and up and coming up. I was already a 12-year veteran. So I usually don't say a whole lot about it because, you know, it was kind of contrary to my reputation and how I viewed the game. That's why I said you was always calm. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know Woodburn. Now, who was it outside of situations like that? Was it ever anybody that when you were lacing up in the locker room, you were saying, I got to see these guys tonight. Was it ever a player that you was like, it's going to be a battle, man. It's going to be a rough night. The two guys I liked the least were Adrian Dantley and Bernard King And you know for different reasons too Bernard had just light your ass up He just coming down. I said, what's wrong with this coach? Why are you running the play for him every time? You know, he got four other guys out there. Run some plays for some of these other guys. Every time Bernard is getting the ball in his hands, you know. And, you know, it's not like they were dominating the league or whatever. So, you know, maybe it did produce some wins, but that was just the strategy. And that's what it seemed like, you know, when you're on the end, when you're defending the guy who's getting the ball every time and getting to shoot it every time. Damn, I ain't getting that many shots. I'm getting like 15 shots. You know, he can 35 shots. Come on, you know, I'm getting 15 by design. Right. So, and Adrian Dantley, man, he knees, elbows, you know, and he foul him. He get to the foul line. He's in there rubbing the ball and doing all this shit right here and whatever. He's like, man, what the? Come on, man, shoot the ball, man. Come on, man. Shoot the ball. He needs to do that. He was the foul line. Massaging it. Yeah, yeah. He hit me. He died up here. Let me do my thing. What was this, though? See, this is what I want to know. You telling me y'all going back having orange slices and recuperating just to recuperate, and you already got in your mind, I'm sore, but I can't come out this game for the next man up. Was y'all getting massages back then? No. Y'all ain't had nobody waiting for y'all. No, no. So pre-game, somebody could work on you or whatever, but after the game started, no, we didn't have that. I didn't have that. All I had was after that game putting ice on my knees, putting ice. And just leave. Sometimes you take a shower and you put the ice bag on, wrap it up, wrap it up, then you go jump in the shower, melt the ice, then you pretty much feel good. I mean, there wasn't no science behind it, you know. That's natural. That's natural. And I think if you take LeBron today, you know, they said he's spending, I mean, at least $5 million on his health and wellness in the offseason. That was the number years ago. So I don't know what the number is now. Yeah, that's a lot. Or whatever. We didn't have $5 million to spend. The tickets was $8. That's crazy. $8 tickets. It's hard to get the $5 million from that. That's $8. Ain't nobody going to get that. You got to live in the year 102. A.O.A. had no brand deals. There wasn't logos all over the court. There wasn't no brand deals. None of that. Well, you know, I was commerce guy and, you know, Jiffy Lube and, you know, some different endorsements. I did all right with endorsements. Sometimes endorsements exceeded my salary. That's crazy. Yeah. Because I was always trying to wonder, because I tried your move one day. It didn't work out for me. I tried to go ahead and play with some Chucks. I had these red Chuck Tillers. We was at a celebrity game. Man, I went to the sideline. My foot was just burnt. I pulled that Chuck Tiller off. His feet was bleeding. I'm like, what he got? He got a video, too. He told me, see, I got respect for Doc and him, because they used to play in these. But as he said it, his feet is bleeding. How was you playing in Chucks? How was it? Well, I got my first pair of Chucks, man. It was $7, less than a ticket to the game. Yeah, yeah. That's a lot of money, too. And I put in three and a half. My mom put in three and a half. And, you know, I got those, man. I wore them day and night, you know. So I wore them delivering my newspapers and, you know, different things, going out, washing cars and, you know, doing different things. Different things we used to do. I didn't take them off for nobody, man. Playing ball in them, sleeping in them. Played in them. And went to school in them. And whatever. I mean, that was my pride and joy, man. It was canvas, high top. Couldn't tell me nothing. What color you had, black or white? White. You had to wash them a lot. We didn't wash them, man. They had to go through their natural life. and then when it was time to take them off, they had to go. Damn, that's how you know he loved. He talked about them like they was a human. They had to go through life and then once the guy got home. They got called home. They got called home. Get another new pick. Mom, you got three and a half. You know them chucks. They got called home. I forgot he was talking about sneaks women. They got called home. Why is it so important that the world hear about soul power? Well, I think that the people who were involved should be given credit for the chance that they took. You know, whether it was a player coming out of college or leaving school early like me and signing up with the league, or was guys like Larry Brown and Doug Moe and different guys who played and then went into coaching and maybe they didn't have a path to go back to college and coach or a path to go into the NBA. So it was an outlet that was there for them. So Larry Brown started coaching in the ABA? Yeah. Damn, I didn't even know that. Yeah, yeah. And he had a long history as a coach. and got switched back over to the NBA and coached with Philadelphia with Iverson and those guys. But he was an ABA player. Came out of Carolina and played with Denver. Him and Doug Moe, they was boys. And they kind of went through the journey together with the ABA. And I think they're going to be involved. They are involved in the documentary and talking to the docuseries. You executive produced this, right? Yes, sir. Now, this is what I want to know. How proud are you to see these young players get their worth and all the benefits? Something that y'all was on the ground for. Yeah, I think it's on our shoulders. And some of them acted out in a good way, and others I don't think they're clueless about what we went through than what the guys went through even before my era. The racism that they went through, couldn't stay in the same hotel, couldn't travel. The traveling was a lot different. Guys used to travel on trains and cars and buses and whatever. So now these guys, they're on private jets. Sometimes they take their own jet. They don't even go with the team or whatever. So that's part of the evolution. and the economics of it. It's just, I always tell people, what do you think? Man, it ain't real money, come on. Those are just numbers, it ain't real money. But it's real money. I'm personally in denial. But I'm all right, I do well. And just was born a little too early to catch that. Because that happened so fast, man. And I was right at the junction where 87 was my last year. So 87, you know, the numbers started to soar like in 90. In 90, guys who wasn't even that good. Oh, I seen Concat get 100 million. It was getting like 12 million. I was like, 12 million? I didn't make that my whole career. You know? so but that's the business and that's a sign of the business that chose me because I don't think professional players choose their profession I think I think sports chooses you you decide how hard you're going to work what you're going to put in and what you have to give and then wherever that ends up decides whether you get first round, second round, third round, you've got to walk on or whatever, but the pro teams decide who they want and the pro organizations decide who they want to give a tryout to and who's going to be the next one up. Because look at all the people with the dream, man, I mean, who say, yeah, I'm going to be a pro, I can do it. Yeah, you can. Everybody and everybody. You can, but you ain't. No, that's what I told him all the time. Because he had a game. He played in the Philly. I'm nice. No, I'm going to tell you. Let me give you. Don't lie to Doc. What happened was, what happened was, Doc, is that, you know, it's a different type of university. I'm not knocking no university. But he had an okay game to win a city championship. And after he won that, he went to like a neighborhood college. Like a small little neighborhood college. You know, it was outside of Philly. And I asked him, now, we arguing back in the day. I said, he told me, yeah, my game. I said, where's the letters at? Why Ohio State, Indiana, why they not sending you no letters? None of these legendary basketball schools sent you no letters. They didn't. They didn't send you no letters. So he kept telling me, I said, listen, man, man, I could go in there. If Muggsy could go in there and drop them, I could do that. I said, they want to have you warming the bench up. That's it. That would be all right. That would be all right. I would take that. At what age did you know? like, alright, I might got something. Yeah, 20. 20? It took the 20? Yeah. Why? There was a lot of people, peers, who knew before and talked it, and I wouldn't dare say that I was going to be a Hall of Famer when I was 16, 17, 18, 19, especially like 18 was 1968. All the shit going on in the country. It was deep. Come on, man. The boycotts in Mexico. Guys who were great players. Yeah, he died in 68. He died in 68 because I was in high school. I graduated in June, and he died in April. And I kind of lived through the Kennedy assassinations. You lived through a lot. You lived through a lot. You know, it happened 64, 63. So you know to say I on an exact path to end up here you didn know Sometime you didn know where the next week was going to happen the next month you know and the Cold War with Russia I mean the Vietnam War man my classmates were signing up and going over to the NAM and now coming back, you know, So I was experiencing a whole lot of that. And that's part of this documentary, this docuseries. Then during that era, telling these types of stories and owning them and saying, man, it was kind of special to be able to make it through that and share it with the next generation. But the reality is you can share it with the next generation and it's not going to avoid it from happening because stuff happens over and over. I mean, there's wars all around the world right now. And, you know, we got, you know, look at ICE in Minneapolis. Yeah, all that. Whatever, you know, people going down and the different things. It's kind of frightening, but you have to, you know, be a person of faith and believe that there's a power more powerful than us, more powerful than the guy in the White House, you know, who thinks he's the shit or whatever. So you got to believe in God, I think. And I think my personal spirituality has pulled me through a lot of situations and also been reinforced by the outcomes because the outcome didn't have to happen as it was. You know, when I got hurt as a kid and I had my seven ligaments in my knee, that could have been it right there. Yeah, you could have been done. I could have been done. Could have been done. You know, different times, you know, physically, you know, don't feel good. Don't take care of yourself. And, you know, we always have people around who are really negligent about their health. And health is everything. Right. So. Man, well, let me just say this before we wrapped up, because one of my earliest childhood memories was when the Sixers won the championship. And I was like six years old, seven years old maybe. And my mom takes us down the city hall and we standing out there. And Doc came through on the floor. And it was like, damn, that's Dr. J. Like, and then they started rioting. And it was the scariest moment. I'm six, my mom's like, come on. You go from agony to ecstasy. They busted windows. They started stealing shit. I'm like, damn, that come through on the floor. Everybody's going crazy. And then they just said, okay, let's turn this into a time to be ignorant and get some free shit. Doc was in You remember that time they started I was like 6 years old my mom Was like hold on wait they running They bussing with those my mom got this They want to blame the mayor I just Remember like I don't remember Too many things from being That age at 49 now I don't remember but that Memory will never leave because I went from total like and then Nell was panicked. Yeah, you remember that Sunday when we went up and we had a seventh game against Boston and two years before we had a seventh game against Boston and lost. Then they went on and won the championship. So now, two years later, we had 3-1 lead, they came back, it was 3-3. So now, we're going to Boston. While we're going to Boston for their seventh game, they had a riot in Philly. Knocked us out of the news. They had that situation that was happening over in where these apartments were. I forgot what they called it. It had a name. The man was freaking out. And, you know, we see it. I think it was the Move member. The Move. The Move. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we see that on TV. And we tried to go play a basketball game. And move was going on. That's what they called it. Ramona Africa. Just remove. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy stuff, man. So, you know, what's more important? Yeah. You know? Doc, what made you wake up one day and say, I'm just going to jump from the foul line? I dreamed that before I did it. Damn. Ain't no question. Ain't no question, man. I used to, it was funny because I live in three-story projects in Hempstead, Long Island, called Parkside Gardens. There wasn't no gardens there. No gardens. That was just the day. But I used to dream about freaky stuff sometimes, like if I jumped out that window, what would I do to land on my feet and not break my neck? and so these dreams, you know, I mean, they were real and they were, the jumping and the running and jumping stuff was reinforced by things that I could do. So I used to, we had a park right next to Parkside Gardens and, you know, I could go there and I could get in a swing and get it going, you know, boom, boom, boom, boom and then at its apex, you know, going up here and then going all the way out and then jump out. jump out and have that experience of flying or whatever. And, you know, my friends and I would do it, and some of them would jump early, and they would have bad landings. Some of them would land and just keep on running and whatever. Some of them would land and fall sideways. Some of them would land and fall backwards and whatever. And I was always good at landing. and I swear to this day you're not going to see anybody get so high off the ground if they ain't got no landing gear. They're just not going to do it. Nah, nah. Sean Kemp used to land kind of funny. You see Sean. Sean would get up and then he had bad landings. He landed leg over here, another leg over here and he's over here and whatever. And I'm like, he never learned how to land. But he could jump. That would be a good job. If you, if, if, last question. If you got your Dr. J's on and you the doc back in the day and you suit up and you go on that, that court today, any team, when the clock stops, what's your stats going to be? Today. I'm talking about. At 75. No, no, as, as, as, and your prime. Oh, well, 75, you know, I'm not. Right now, you walk through there right now. I can score. You walk through there right now. Oh, with my game? And they couldn't touch Doc? With my game. You ain't got to worry about nobody trying to grab you. You know how much spacious it is? You know what I mean? More highlights Doc would have had, man. How would it be? A lot of it would depend on who's coaching, too. You know, the years I played for Kevin Lockery or whatever, Kevin was like, game plan ain't working, bro. You need to do something. You know? That was a green light. You snap out. as opposed to we're going to do this, this, this, this, move it around five times and we ran isolations with him. It's just different. And I think you see it with today's players and you might not recognize it the same way that I would recognize it, but who a guy is playing for and a guy who has that decision about putting them in the game or taking them out of the game, it's big. that's why so many players are running teams you know and they have that and they're going to stand tall in terms of what they believe and they're going to be vocal about it and whereas before you know coach ran things, owners ran the coaches ran and then the players and maybe the captain you know had a vote and a seat at the table so you know so for me personally I would say yeah a lot of it would depend on you know who the coach was and how he thought about what I could do, the difference that I could make. And during my 16 years, I mean, I had a variety. I had four different coaches, and they were all different from one another. Who taught you the most? Probably in terms of teaching, he wasn't a head coach. It was Chuck Daly. Chuck Daly. He was assistant coach. He was Billy Cunningham's assistant. And, you know, Chuck liked to take saunas and go to the spa and all that kind of stuff. So I accompanied him to the spa many times. And he just got into his head. And he taught me a lot about my game and about the game or whatever. And that's why he became such a good head coach. And that's why he's so revered. you know they have a table outside the Hall of Fame and it's Chuck since Chuck Daly on it whatever so he was a special man in that regard because the Pistons all the players love Chuck yep yep everywhere he went yeah well Doc man we appreciate you for coming man and just sitting down and giving us some game make sure y'all check out guidance attention motivation and education yeah check out Soul Power yes I'm telling you it's going to be extraordinary Amazon Prime right and man I'm going to just say this a couple days away my back wasn't messed up I go to a court right now and drop 30 on somebody because how many people can say how many people can say I was talking to Doc Doc gave me some he gave me some ideas but let's just be for real I got something that I've done something that you've never done what I actually played against Dr. J Bro, you want to pull it up on YouTube? It was at 52nd Street, J. Irvin. Shout out to J. Irvin. Shout out to J. Irvin. You know I'm good friends with this boy. Yes, I used to be a rapper back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had the lead. Gerald Henderson. Yeah. Yeah, 52nd Street. I was playing. We did. Yeah, see? You ain't never played against that. My game wasn't strong enough. I'm a legend. and it's just like that. Right? Get out of here.
