After Hours (1985)

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Just one of the reasons why we're rated excellent on TrustPilot by our customers. Find out more at Eonnext.com. NexPledge variable rates are always below the often price cap. 25 pounds exit fee per fuel applies. Eligibility in TZNCs apply. TrustPilot February 2026. Well hello, welcome to the Confused Breakfast podcast. Do you remember the pure joy of a trip to the video rental store as a kid? I do. Sure it's hard to beat the ease and the convenience of the modern streaming era and the experience of a Friday night trip to Blockbuster to make the big and sometimes tough decision of what movie was coming home with you was a truly magical experience for all of us. We're all part of the last generation that knows the joy of the search, the snap of the plastic clamshell and we're here to revisit the movies that shaped us and defined our childhoods. My name is Mike Schulte joining me as always. Two dudes obsessed with the Wizard of Oz. Sean Pryor and AJ Vins, how the heck are you, bro? Yeah, baby. What can I say? I just want to go home. Okay, there's no place like home. I just want to go home. Can somebody loan me 57 cents so I can go fucking home? Times are so simpler back then. That's what happens in the Wizard of Oz. That's what happens in the Wizard of Oz. I'm just saying. So it's a really good script is what you're saying. Yeah. Just saying. Oh, baby. Oh, maybe there's some sort of a bug. It's not. It's criterion corner day, you guys. I'm so excited. You know, it's a criterion movie when Sean's guys film crew hat on. That's sort of how you know what's going on here. Yeah, I'm part of the crew, man. He just likes to pretend like, oh, Scorsese's here. I'm part of his crew. Yeah, no, I know. It's Marty. It's Marty. It's Marty. I think that's why I call him for short. No, he hates that. I heard. He told me Martin. That's why that's why he never calls me. Yeah. Well, boys, in case you have no clue, today's movie is 1985's After Hours. We're going to be doing a scene by scene deep dive analysis on the entire movie. But first we need to talk nostalgia, fun facts and reviews to set the stage right off the bat. Sean, you're going to be the only one in this segment. So tell us your first memories of this movie and what your nostalgic rating is was. I was listening to a podcast that I really love and someone said, have you seen After Hours by Martin Scorsese? I'm like, I thought I had seen every Martin Scorsese movie. I did not know he did this and bought the DVD of it from Barnes and Noble for like five bucks. It's one of those shitty cases that has like the recycling on the inside that I hate. Nice. Yeah. And then, yeah, loved it. It became my favorite Martin Scorsese movie in May still be. What year is rating was? Nine. Nine. Well, then as a group, we're going to be a nine, you guys. AJ, have you ever seen this one before? No, of course not. Literally never even heard of this fucking movie. Let's see if Nick Mad has. Nope. Never seen it. So we are nostalgically a nine. Sean is so surprised right now. The reals on this movie are going to go insane. They're going to pop off the straight up downloads are going to be off the charts on this one. Why? But see, that's why we do this, because I hope you will have checked this out. This is going to be some fun stuff. This may be like a breakdown situation like a Russell breakdown. Correct. Like Steven Spielberg's first movie, whatever that was called, dual, dual, like it's going to be your new favorite movie when you watch this. I do want to make sure you understand though that nostalgically of all the movies we've done, 90 mighty ducks is a better movie. Yeah. But honey, I shrunk the kids. It's not as good. Just want to make sure you guys understand that how it falls on there. Yeah, it happens. Well, Sean, I mean, just keep leading this whole thing, man. Tell us about the important details of the movie that you got. I gladly this produced by Amy Robinson, Griffin Dunn and David Giffin. He produced movies as well. Written by Joseph Minyan. He also wrote one of my favorite Nick Cage performances of all time. Vampires Kiss. Cemetery by Michael Michael Ballhouse. Music by Howard Shore. He's back from Lord of the Rings. Ed by Thelma Schoonmaker, directed by Marty Scorsese. Cass, Griffin Dunn, Rosanna Arquette, Linda Fiorentino, Verna Bloom, Terry Gar, Catherine Rohara, John Her, Dick Miller, Bronson Pinshow, Will Patton, Tommy Chong and Cheech Marin. I mean, if you've never heard this movie and just hear that, Cass, you're like, what the fuck is this movie? Right? Director Marty Scorsese was coming off his film, The King of Comedy, which was considered a flop. And as he was just about to leave for Israel to shoot one of his passion projects, The Last Temptation of Christ, the film was canceled because God forbid. He was smote. Smoted. Marty feared his career may be over if he didn't produce a hit. Imagine thinking that your your money scores say, I think my career's over. This is the end. This is like kind of a pinnacle movie in his career, believe it or not. Paramount offered Marty Beverly Hills Cop, where it was sliced alone in the lead at the time. He was also offered Witness, Harrison Ford movie, but he wasn't quite interested in those. Producer Amy Robinson, who had a part in Mean Streets along with Griffin Dunn, had a small production company and his, and this quirky little script they sent Marty's way. But that was after they already sent the script to a different quirky little director who impressed with his short film Vincent, that director being Tim Burton. Burton loved the script and signed on immediately, wanting this to be his first feature film. But once he found out that Scorsese was interested and attached, Burton respectfully bowed out with no qualms, saying, I'm not going to get in the way of Martin Scorsese making a movie. What a stud. I want to say- Marty Scorsese is taking my career's over. Exactly. I want to say right now, I like Tim Burton. I don't love all of his movies. I haven't seen like all of his movies, but I, in my opinion, think he's made two masterpieces in Pee Wee's Big Adventure and Ed Wood. And again, to me, one all-time classic movie in Batman, 89's Batman. He makes some good snowboards too. Yes. I've never respected anybody more than Tim Burton on this decision alone to step aside from this project to let Marty Scorsese do this. This is an all-time move for, for, for those movies that I really love and this move alone. Tim Burton should be protected at all costs, in my opinion. And then of course, Danny Elfman, because they're a package deal. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Edward Scissorhands. Griffin Dunn was just a producer until he expressed to Marty that he wanted to play the lead of Paul Hackett. And Scorsese just said, well, yeah, I figured. Scorsese had wanted to work with Rosanna Arquette for some time and was delighted to cast her. Linda Forrentino came into audition and Marty and Griffin said that her not giving a shit if I, if they cast me or not attitude was what got her the part. The shoot was quite grueling, being shot entirely at night and in the guts of New York neighborhoods. But Scorsese is very fond of his experience making the film. It was a back-to-basic shoot with the small crew. Some newcomers, including his cinematographer, Michael Ballhaus, is their first collaboration together. At least in his first, Michael Ballhaus' first American film. Marty credits this movie and its producers for making him fall in love with making movies again. That's beautiful. After hours was released on September 13th, 1985 and on a budget of 3.5 million, the film made a modest 10.6 million at the box office and did its job. According to Scorsese, the film got him back on track with Hollywood and got him right with God in a sense as he would eventually make the last temptation of Christ. Well, thanks, Sean. I thought you had a seven dust sticker on your computer, but that's not what that says. I thought it was for one second. It was, I thought you were a big seven dust fan. Seven dust. Yep, cool. One time my brother walked into the Coral Ridge Mall and he saw Panera, but he's thought it said Pantera. I mean, sometimes reading's hard. It's tough, man. It's a tough gig out there. Well, we got to go to AJ. We got to see what the critics and fans had to say about this movie. If they ever saw it, we don't know. Like, what did they say? I just imagined that this is what all the critics were saying when they had to watch this. They just said, what do you want from me? What have I done? I'm just a word processor for Christ's sake. It's the tomato meat. 90% 90 certified fresh. Of all the movies we've done, that's tied with Reservoir Dogs and Raising Arizona. Nice company there. Just a couple of my favorite movies of all time. A couple of good ones there, I suppose. 87% in the popcorn meter, and this is a 7.6 on IMDB. So this ties with three movies we've done, which by the way, I think if you combine all three of these movies, it becomes this movie. Days and confused American Psycho Office Space. Wow. Wait. Yeah. Wait, what? Take those three movies, put them together, and you've got after that. Definitely. Just throw them out there. I like it. It's a one-day thing. It's a crazy dude. That's your best work, Mike. Thank you very much. Yeah, I think this is the thing I made it up. Roger Ebert fell in love with this movie at 100 out of 100. Chicago Sun Times. After Hours is a brilliant film that is so original, so particular, that we are uncertain from moment to moment exactly how to respond to it. The style of the film creates in us the same feeling that the events in the film create in the hero. It's interesting. Empire records. Went on record to say, thanks, 100 out of 100. Martin Scorsese's steak on New York City puts a hip spin on Joe Minion's cleverly constructed nightmare. Peter Bradshaw, the Guardian, called it peculiar potent film, and Vincent Canby gave it a 60. That was the lowest one I could find on here. The New York, over at the New York Times, they didn't like their own work in their own city. After Hours is not ultimately a very satisfying film, but it's often vigorously unsettling. I didn't know that every film had to be satisfying. Oh, no. Yeah. I forgot that was a thing. It's really important. Vincent Canby satisfied. He's probably dead. Too bad. Too bad he wouldn't like that joke. Let's do some letterbox, guys. All right. This is a cool, not cool, four and a half stars. After Hours is really just what no pussy does to a motherfucker movie. Oh, man. This is exactly like that SpongeBob episode where he actually goes to rock bottom and can't catch the bus home. I've seen it and I understand the movie now. That review helped me understand the movie, guys. I just want you to know that. Let's see. We also have this five stars. My dick has led me to places I wouldn't even go with a gun. Last but not least, guys, let's just do this. Four and a half stars. Just let this horny little bitch go home. He just wants to go home. Why won't you let him go home? He's just a word processor. Just lend him 53 cents. There you go. So he can go home. He just wants to live, man. Home is where it's at, people. That's it. Didn't find my letterbox review. That's fine. But no. It was just a bunch of fluff. Scorcese took a moment out of his life to create a masterpiece. And then I watched it. It cut me off because I was saying too much. Now let's see. Well, my dear audience members, just when you thought you were bored with mundanity and predictability of popular movies like Lord of the Rings, Lethal Weapon and Wayne's World, Sean waved a shiny movie in front of your face called After Hours. You've never heard of it, but don't worry. No one else has either. But it was so different than what you're used to. And it's Scorcese. You always wanted to be able to check out the underbelly of cinema, become a cool and hip cinephile, leave behind the comfort of popular and well-known movies to dip a toe into a new and exciting world. So you said yes. And you agreed to watch and come along on this journey with us. And thank God you did because the downloads are going to be low. Who knows? Maybe you'll like the feeling of it or maybe you'll want to go back to the old ways with a newfound respect. It's time to find out here we go. I'm sorry, but thank you for letting me have this. Scene one. Paul Haggett is a lonely, routine, obsessed office worker in New York City who spends his nights alone until he meets a woman named Marcy at a late-night cafe. Intrigued by her eccentric personality, he calls her later and is invited to her Soho loft. Eager to break out of his boring life, Paul takes a cab downtown, but immediately runs into trouble when his only $20 bill flies out the window, leaving him nearly broke. At the loft, he meets Marcy's but bizarre roommate Kiki, who behaves erratically while working on strange sculptures. And that's why he's so good at it. And I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that I'm going to let you know that apparently in cabs, you had to like put the money in a tray. Yeah. Because that was my biggest complaint about this movie is what the fuck is this guy putting a $20 bill in an ashtray? But apparently there's a little slot that you slide it in, but his fucking fault for not waiting until he got to the destination. Yeah, because he could have gotten a paperweight at that destination and put it on that $20 bill. So, so silly. Yeah. What a silly fuck. Anyways, I just think, you know, I just think he's kind of an idiot and I don't get it. You know, I waited the first 10 minutes of this movie. It was really just it was like, what is Sean making us watch? Sean making us watch. Oh, so, hey, Sean, hey, Sean, hey, yeah. That's on backwards. It starts with a signature Marty Scorsese tracking shot. You know what I'm saying, man? You can't go to bed. It really is slides in there and you just introduced your main character and he's just like there and you know he's having problems. Oh man, you can already tell he's having a boring time at work. Right? He seems, but he does seem kind of in kind of happy about this sort of power trip that he's on here where he's like, he's teaching this guy and he's like, you know, I'm important. I know this system well and I'm a good teacher. Well, that feels good and no matter what you, it does until that fucker is basically like, oh, this is temporary. Yeah. I would never be caught dead being your age working this job. Sends him into a weird spiral. I'll tell you what, that shot of him. Who's the actor that plays this role? That's Griffin Dunn. Griffin Dunn. I don't know much about him. American War of London. He was in that and that's about all I know. And it's interesting in the 80s how you can sort of look like that and be a main character in a movie. Yeah, right? It's very interesting, but he's great because when he comes out, the dejected look on his face, his coats unbuttoned, the winds blowing, they're closing the shit behind him. You feel his plight at this moment in time. I mean, I felt this for a long time with just like the stupid jobs that I worked, you know, like I just couldn't wait to get the fuck out of there. The job wasn't me. It was just a paycheck. And every time someone was like, why don't you apply yourself? I'm like, because I don't want to, because I won't be here forever. This doesn't mean anything. I already applied for this job. Yeah, that's it. When is my raise? Yeah, exactly. I mean, like Bronson Pinchot is here. I figured he'd raise your grade a little bit at least. Serge? He's great because he's just like, no, fuck this shit. Yeah. What's his thing? I'm going to create a paper for him. He wants to create a magazine for other people so they can get their stories published, but he doesn't want to publish the stories. He wants to take the stories and like give them kind of like this like place where you can go and you can put your stories and then, you know, you can exactly. I love how like the audio slowly fades on him. And then like it kind of cuts back to Griffin Dunne. He's like clearly not listening. And then Bronson's like, oh, you're clearly not listening to me. We're just going to stop this. I like to think that he took the hint from Griffin Dunne, from Paul Hackett. What a great name. He took the note from Paul and he like took the hint. He just says, you know what? I'm not going to do that. I'm going to go sell like high grade weapons. And then that's Beverly Hills Cop. There you go. I think that's a great little segue for him. Perfect. Yep. Yep. I do really love him though in this little like tiny role. I really thought we were going to get more of him actually. I did too. I really did. And I kind of, I really wish we would have or we would have like maybe at least seen him at the end of the movie. At the end of the walk in and go, hey, how are you? Have a good night. Back at it again. Yeah. Like K-man was like, I got laid last night. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy night last night, man. How about you? Yeah. Yeah. Like and then when he's leaving work, it looks like the pearly gates, like golden gates. Like there's so many references to like Christianity and stuff in Martin Scorsese's movies. He's going to be slipping into the underworld kind of thing. Yeah. He's leaving like what's perceived to be like the American dream, which is God to us as Americans, you know. Somebody said that this was Martin Scorsese's most Christian movie. Oh, okay. Even though he made well as a silence and less temptation of Christ, I'm never saying that. No, no. I haven't actually haven't seen less temptation either. I just don't plan on it. Oh, you were asking, you weren't asking me. Okay, got it. Right. Right. I don't know, man. Draft King's casino is changing the game with flex spins. New players play $5 and get 1500 flex spins 50 a day for 30 days. Then you choose how to play across your favorite games like Huff and more puff, cash eruption and more. Download the app now, sign up with code confused to claim 1500 flex spins on your choice of slots. The crown is yours in partnership with draft Kings casino. Gambling problem called 1800 gambler in Connecticut help is available for a problem gambling called 8887897777 or visit ccpg.org. 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It's like a little keyboard just like I'd like to think that I would have known about that and I've never seen it. I've never had either. Yeah, we talked about some of the weird things we went through like you guys don't remember but when cable first came out there were not enough TV channels on a television because they were usually like turned dial dial and it only had so many channels on it. So they came out with a thing that was a B switcher that you had to get up on your TV and switch to a second set of channels that could be on so that you had two channel twos a two and B two and like it's nuts how television has developed from back then to now. Imagine like night owls like Paul Hackett, you know, like going like those programs he's watching are going to end soon and when TV ended at like what 11 it was just static. Yep. You know what I mean? So like third shifters man. They're fucked. Yeah, no kidding. At that point you just say, yeah, yeah, I'm going to go to bed. Yeah, exactly. That's what you should do. If he had just gone to bed, yeah, maybe maybe jerked one out and gone to bed. Everything would have been just like a normal person. Yeah, but instead like a fucking weirdo. He's like, it's midnight. I'm going to go read my book in the coffee shop when I could just read it at my house. He needed to have a Vincent Vega conversation with himself. He's like, you're going to be polite and have one drink? You can go home jerk off. That's all you're going to do. But he did not. He did not. He did not have that. I do got to admit to you Sean, like I'm kind of watching this movie just being like, what the fuck is going on? Because you know, he gets to the coffee shop, Rosanna Arquette's there. Oh shit. Okay. Is this the plot? Like is it him with her? Because I went into this knowing nothing and it's, it does not take you where you think it's going to take you. Yeah. He keeps, yes, ending everything. Yes. And I, and the script does too. And that's why I think it's just like so fun to watch this kind of like build and build and build. And like Rosanna Arquette in here is like a fucking drop dead, gorgeous. And every woman in this movie is dropped. And I will, I will argue that at the end of this. I will until, until they get going. Well, we're just talking about the most important thing here is fucking cares about personality. To the wind. Yeah. But like he meets, he meets her and they, they relate to the drop of cancer and everything. And she's like, what, what's that guy doing over there? The dancing who kind of looks like Robert De Niro, a younger Robert De Niro. But like keeps like, I don't know, his expectations, I think for this, I think he went to a diner to like meet someone. I think so too. That what, why else would you do that? Like, I don't know about you guys, but this, I relate to this movie a lot. Are you the main character of this movie? Well, I mean, I've, at a time, I was kind of that way, but I would go places just to be like, well, maybe something will happen. Nothing ever did except for a couple of times, you know, like, like what, like you went home with somebody? I mean, I have my own kind of like story like this. I will say we could save it for the Patreon. Yeah. But yeah, like I, I, it's, it's kind of weird because this movie's relationship with women in general is really weird. But I think it's, you know, justifying itself. It's not, it's not portraying the women as like horrible. You know what I mean? I think Paul is expectation of women is sort of horrible in some instances. Yeah. So like, she's got a lot going on, you know, and like he calls her when he gets back to his place and is like, well, he calls Kiki first and she gets Marcy. But she's like, she brings up like a fight that her friends had or something like that. And she's like, what do you think they should do? She needs to break up or something? It's like, I don't know. And then she's like, well, you should come over. That's what I was hoping you would say. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. It's just like this, I've known people like this or like had interactions like this before. It's like, what, what are you expecting from this? Because I kind of am expecting something. He's very much expecting. Yeah, he has an expectation. She has zero expectation. She is like floating through this night. That's a play. I think this whole movie is a bit of a play. I think you can analyze it a million ways. But I think everybody in this Soho area is sort of representative of like young drunk drugness culture where like, I was in that for a while where you just like, you just go out and just like whatever happens happens like with zero expectations of anything and like that seediness of like, well, who fucking cares? Whatever, we'll just go out and we'll go here and see what happens. Yeah. And where he's in the adult world of like, well, when I go somewhere, I need to know what's going to happen. Yeah. I've been driven home by a, a, what would you say? Yeah, a little person stripper. Okay. Who had to have extended pedals in a car seat? I've been driven home by that person before. Like that's, was this an Uber driver? Definitely not an adult. No, it was like this, the, the, the whatever place lumber yard was closed down. We stayed that long. Like that's not an adult move. You know what I mean? Like that's like, his move here is not an adult. How have I gotten here? Yeah, that's how have I gotten here move? It's a great story and she is awesome. But that, that kind of thing, like you're saying is like, that's, it's, he's like, like I said in the beginning of this, like the pearly gates close, he's kind of like, Soho represents hell. He's stuck in like purgatory or something weird like that, where until those gates open again, he's like, he's on his own. You're on your own, man. Yeah, it's like this grasses greener kind of scenario thing where he's like leaving and he's like dejected from this comment that was like a pretty basic comment that was made. It's like, I'm not going to be here the rest of my life. You know what I mean? Don't tell Mr. Dig, Dig, Digman. I got, I just said that or anything. And he's just like lost in thought after this kind of happens. And his power, it's like his power is all gone. He is the last one to walk out of these gates. And he's like matching color of these gates and everything. And he walks out of these gates. He blends in perfectly. Like he is literally like somebody from this world, like born of this world. And there's just cast into this Soho underground. And by his own want and need, like he just, I've got to go out and experience something apparently. And it's just, it just gets to be, I just don't think he's very good at being a human. Like he just doesn't get how to do things. You know what I mean? But and like his expectations aren't necessarily right. But I don't think even his first interaction with like Marcy of her having zero expectations, like you're saying, isn't right either. It's like, they're just not, they're not meant to mix. No. Yeah, exactly. I think that's correct. Where like this whole night, he does not belong. Yeah. You know, like this whole area, he does not belong. And so like he expects some sort of like interaction that he has already had in his brain before he's even had the interaction and it goes somewhere fucking crazy. You know, and but like, I don't think the movie judges him for having that expectation, sort of false expectations. It's just like this night is just not his night. And there's so many indicators of like, just, just, we've all been there. Just the things are going, they keep going wrong. Just stop, just end it. I mean, it starts with the $20 flying out of the cab. That cab, he's face when he was like, maybe one, and he stays on him too long. It's scary. Like at this point, you need, you need to be like, Hey man, listen, I actually take me back to my place. I have money there. I'll double the fare. Let's double the fare. Let's just, let's just stop. Yeah. Instead. Nope. I'm stuck here now. He shouldn't at least know that at this point that he is stuck there. If I'm anywhere without like my wallet or like if like in this time, like without the $20 bill that I was using for this night, it's done. Like, it's the equivalent nowadays of losing your cell phone and your wallet. Yeah. Yeah. Because like, what do you do without a cell phone and a wallet in today's world? Yeah. Like it's, it's very, very difficult to like, because of the way the world is now to get by without those things. If this was today, dude, whatever, even if I lost my wallet, I got Venmo, I've got Apple Pay, like dude, I already have a membership to the subway. You just flash your barcode up there. Like none of this can happen nowadays. Most, most, I think most people say or like there's like a survey done that it says, it's like surveyed 100 men. If you lost, if you lost one or the other, which would it be? Would you prefer your wallet or your phone? And most people said I would, I would prefer to lose my wallet. Of course. Because the most of the shit they have, they can just access in their phone. This is the way tech is now losing a $20 bill in this day and age. Like we said, it's like losing 60 bucks, the only 60 bucks you had. And again, now we can just use a credit card and like, who cares? Yeah. It's like, oh shoot. Well, hey, can I scan? I know it's not as convenient. I'll leave some extra tip on that. Like, yeah, let me boot the thing up, I guess. Yeah. And that's the unfortunate circumstance. Or just call an Uber. Yeah. Yeah. I need an Uber home. I'm going. Yeah. And like, yeah, around this time of night, there's probably plenty. There's a million, especially in South New York nowadays, I imagine. Yes. But yeah, the crazy taxi guy and then like getting to Kiki's and like her throwing down the keys, that shot and the editing of that is just like, there's no need. There was no need for that. Just have her buzz you in. Well, there's no need for this shot too. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like, it's, I love how he, like even like these inserts, especially like even on like the book, he's like trying to write the number. Yeah. Oh my God. It's just all about anxiety and everything's a threat to Paul. Like, that's what he's trying to emphasize. Like these keys coming down on him and everything. And like every time he likes, someone sets those keys down or like even like any pair of keys, his keys, he like, does an insert for it, you know, because it's, he's got to like emphasize the threat kind of level here. The bartenders keys have the skull on it. Yeah, exactly. And this shot too was like extremely dangerous to pull off. Like the Michael Ball house just literally like dropped a camera with like bungee cords on it toward a griffon done on the ground. And they did it, they did it once and it was like, okay, I like it was too shaky, whatever, let's kind of, you know, manipulate a little bit. So it's not so shaky. And they did it a second time. And like one of the things kind of like popped and was like whirling the camera around and almost hit Griffin done and like Michael Ball house and Martin Scorsese were like, okay, we're fucking done for the night. We're not doing that anymore. And they did like, oh, we're doing that again or in a stupor, I imagine. He, yeah, that it's like not even a frame that they use of that shot. The rest is just the keys and then falling on the ground. But anyway, like just the lengths to go to get these shots and the importance of it in my opinion of like making these small little things seemingly a threat. Yeah. So one note, I have this thing ever since my brother and I took our trip to Belgium, still writing that script by the way, planes, trains and automobiles, European vacation. It's coming. Don't worry. First draft coming to Sean soon. But I have this mantra ever since we took that trip that it's called just it says, don't fight the trip. And like what you're saying, Mike, it's like there are so many instances where we get to this point, like even just up to this point, we're what like 20 minutes in maybe up to this point, we've had so many reasons to just go back home. Don't fight the trip, man. Don't try to fight your way through this. You're literally sometimes it doesn't work out. And again, it's like all these expectations that Paul has. It's like his expectation is to be entertained. It's for him. Like this night is for him. And that's like the way he approaches everything. And it just doesn't, it never pans out the way and he is, he's just kind of like going along with the flow. This is not the place to go with the flow, but bro, like you're in a completely different world and it just, it becomes very apparent, I think once he goes into this apartment building, his flow is very placid. The so hose flow is very choppy. Yeah. Yeah. So you're just once he gets up there, the moment I would have seen that sculpture, all right. Well, I'll see you guys later. Let's keep naming them off the moments where you, where you probably should have said no. Speaking of which, honestly, the moment it was paper Michelle, I would have been like, yeah, now that's it smells. Yeah, it smells weird. It feels weird. I did not like doing that when I was a kid in art class. I'm not a mud kid. All right. But listen, I fucking get it because yeah, this place is weird and creepy and Kiki's kind of weird. She's doing crazy sculpture. But my God, like she's so hot and she's so not what I would normally be around as this guy. And I'm like intrigued by it. I had a huge crush on Linda Fiorentino from Gotcha. I've talked about that movie. It was Anthony Edwards. I haven't seen it. Dude, it's hard to find, but Anthony Edwards is like a, he goes to Russia on a like a college trip and meets her and she's like this Russian person that kind of gets him into trouble. Okay. It's, I had a huge crush on her. So if I would have known she had some boobies in a movie, I would have been like, what's up? Yeah, man. I mean, men in blacks first time I saw her. Yes. And I think the only other movie we've done. Yeah, I think so. Hey, if there's ever been an incentive to join our Patreon discord guys is when Mike pulling out on the second of when boobies show up in this movie. Listen, I have a, this whole movie can be seen for free on YouTube. I put the link in our, in our discord and somebody said, are there boobies? I'm like, yeah, 20 minutes and 13 seconds. Duh. Did you check to see if I was correct? Of course. Yeah. I mean, like the women he meets along the way too, like, Marcy seems like the kind of like good girl and like kind of make like to him, like maybe even kind of easy girl, like Scott problems. I don't know. Like it's disgusting to say, but like with this character, it just kind of seems like that, you know, and then Kiki is like the impenetrable punk rock cannot like everything that you want in a woman, but just like won't give an inch. But she, but she like does cause he starts rubbing her shoulders and she's like, it almost appears as if this is like a like, okay, cool. Let's try it. And then she falls asleep. I wanted him to finish his story about the burn me too. So goddamn hard. I love how he doesn't though. And they never come back to it. Like usually this would be a story you tell again and then you finish it. But one of my favorite things in movies, like I say is like story time in movies, I guess. But another thing is story time movies and they don't let them finish for like a comedic effect. Add this to the list. We should, we should start a growing list here of the joke from Breakfast Club. You know, like naked naked stripper walks into a bar with a slump, a two foot slimy under one hand and a poodle under the other. It's like, he never gets to finish the joke. And it's, you just add this to that list of you get really enthralled. And then all of a sudden she's passed out. You're like, you think she's leaning back in to do some making out, but no, she's just passed out. Yeah. Slowly, slowly like creeping in on him too. Like you're, you're slowly kind of like getting in gross with his story. And then it's just like, no, no one cares. Yep. Nobody cares. No one cares. Just like he didn't care about the guys, what he wants to do with his life. You know, story in the beginning. There you go. Yeah. Also, one more thing on this is that he, he gets paper mache bullshit on a shirt and she brings him a black shirt. And I, in the, there was some, an interview with the costume reader, Ryek costume designer in this who also did casino and most of Scorsese movies. She was saying like, that's like a representation of like, he's a part of their world now. Yes. Like giving him the black. Now you're in black as night, you know, like his white suit is now like, his like almost skeleton is black now. You know, like it's dark. It's interesting. Love that. Because it's, and then you, then you could take it a little further and say it's like, he puts his jacket back on almost try to like cover it up. Yeah. You know, it's, this is more like a, it's like a pseudo disguise of, of him blending in. Exactly. Yeah. It's like, he's trying to blend in. He's trying to go with the flow, but he just can't. He just can't. Yeah. Yeah. So scene two, Paul and Marcy go out to a diner where their conversation turns increasingly uncomfortable as she shares disturbing personal details. Back of the loft, Paul becomes overwhelmed and abruptly decides to leave. When he tries to take the subway home, he realizes the fare has gone up and he doesn't have enough money trapping him in Soho desperate. He wanders into a bar where a waitress named Julie quickly takes a strong interest in him. Listen, Rosanna Arquette's unbelievable at the role she portrays in this movie. Cause she just gets increasingly more fucking weird. And dude, I'll tell you what, the moment where I, I'm coming into this place, I lost my 20 fine. I'm here to, I'm here, whatever. I get into the, I meet Kiki and I'm like, I'm okay. Like this is fine. Hopefully the girl I'm here to see shows up. She shows up when she is sitting on the bed with me and she says, I'm actually, I'm going to take a shower and then she does that weird, there's something special about you. Yeah. Rubbs his head and says, I don't know, but something incredible is going to happen tonight. Like, and she has that weird, nervous laughter. I'm out the minute she gets in that shower and the shot. That is the moment for me where I'm gone. The shot of the movie, the wink. Oh, dude. Oh, is that what keeps you though? Cause then you're like feeling weird about this, but then she winks and you're like, God, but she's so fucking hot. I don't know if you guys have ever had like interactions like this. Yes. Okay. Right back. Okay. Yeah. With like, girl, girls, you just like, I don't know. Some interactions has been like, I don't know. Like, you can fix. Do you want that? No. Do you want, do you want this? Like, I know it's always got to go unspoken. Like we can't just say, I want to fuck. But do you want this too? Like, I don't, I'm not sure. They give you a sign and exactly. And they keep giving you a sign, but then they keep saying like crazy shit. Like, what are we going to do to Kiki? He's like, what are you talking about? He's like, it was an innocent question. No, it's not. No, it's not very innocent. You think that I did something to her. It's quite accusatory actually. Yeah. It's, it's, it's just incredible. But he says whatever and he sticks around. Just keeps going with it. And then they go to the diner and it gets even weirder because fucking Dick Miller's there. Dick Miller. And that was a weird shot to me. Like she's explaining all this crazy stuff. She's been doing it all night. It's getting crazier and crazier. But then the whole like, what do we owe you? And he's like, it's like it's after hours or something, you know, and he gives them, gives her a wink and then like catches the kiss and he like pulls this hand away. It's such a weird interaction. Yeah. Dick Miller, I hardly know her, right? Right. Come on. Right. It's like, it is. It's like, and I love how subtle it gets because it's, uh, it's on the house. It's like, yeah, you know, it's like after hours and stuff. There's the title. Dick Miller. And then he's just, he's like, yeah, it's like, no, no problem, Marcy. And then they have this moment where you're like, are you banging the diner? Exactly. It's like, what, what is going on? Like, who is he one of the guys in from your stories that you keep talking about? And by the way, this whole, the whole thing of like, oh, yeah, and I'm married. It's like, are you not married anymore? Can, how about that? Can you just, can you finish the thought and can you, can you let me know that like there's some resolve in all the shit that's just going on in your life that we can go home and bang? The guy on the phone that never gets resolved, like, hey, tell her to call me the, the R word story of like, it happened for six hours and I fell asleep in the middle of it. It was in this room, but he was my boyfriend. He was my boyfriend. It's like, it's, there's so many like red flags. He goes back and kisses her when they finally get back and she starts crying and like, then, then he's like, should I, do you want me to go? And she's like, no, no, no, no, we're gonna bang, we're gonna bang. I got a candle. And he's like, okay, okay. Yeah. And he's like, oh, I will take that pot now. Cause it's just fucking weird, dude. You know, what do you think actually makes him finally leave? Is it the weird? Is it the pot? Cause he's, he's really not happy with his pies. Like this is ridiculous. I think it might be just like all of the like weird things that she's brought up throughout this whole night. And then I think that's probably not pot. Like, I think, I think he like notices and is like, this isn't fucking pot. Like what's going on? But then, but then he looks at the burn victim book and then that felt like the moment he's like, you know, yeah, but that's weird. Cause that's not even her, whatever. Maybe she's studying to be a nurse or something like that. Like that's the weirdest thing to get mad about. Well, it was like that, in my opinion, that burn cream though, that like ointment or something though too, that he, he sees earlier on. So it's like, what's this for? You know, it is, it just seems like this culmination. And for me, it seemed like maybe it was like a some like, maybe it was pot or some weird type of a drug or something. Cause he does see the scrapes on her leg, but they're not there anymore. Yeah. See, and it's like, maybe it's something like that. And it like tripped something out in him that he, he freaks, you know, that's kind of the way I took it, I guess, because he flips the switch really fast. Yeah. And I don't, I don't think she deserved to get like, um, or I don't think she deserved this reaction from him. You know, he should have just left and be like, you know what, I'm just going to go. Yeah. He's kind of a dick to her, but I get bailing like, I probably would have needed to happen. Yeah. Needed to leave. Cause, cause he knew that if he had taken the time to be like, Hey, listen, I'm going to get going. She would have been like, no, no, no, no, but touch my boobs or something. You know, like, and he would have been like fine. Okay. Fine. You know, like he just knows what's going to happen. If he walks out of there, Kiki's going to be naked again. Like she, cause Kiki walks in basically being like, we're going to fuck, right? Yeah. Oh, okay. Shit. Darn. She came back. Like he anywhere he goes is, is he's going to continue on this road that anywhere he goes is a woman that he thinks he could, he could have sex with. And so he keeps going, well, maybe I should. What do you, I don't know, should I? I mean, he's just like, he's just got to get out of there, but came out tonight for a reason. He did. He came out for this reason and he's like, well, I still have a chance at it. Yeah. He's like, I, I got to get laid somehow, some way. He's like, I can't be, I can't be who I am and living this boring life. Apparently I've got to have some excitement in my life. Okay. But again, you're not entitled to it, man. It's, it's just kind of a never ending bad cycle for him, obviously. What do they call this? It's like the, it's like the yuppie yuppie. They have a name for this. The yuppie odyssey. Yeah. It's like a yuppie odyssey. It's like a yuppie horror cycle or something like that. Of just this never ending cycle of his expectations being squashed by the fact that like reality doesn't appease you. So there it is. It's wild. And then this is when he goes, he finally bails, heads to the subway. It's raining. The fare apparently goes up. Like it just went up tonight. It's a night at like five minutes before this. It went up and that dude, that guy that's working the counters. He's great. He goes, well, no one's going to know. He goes, you never, I could be at a party. I could be at a party. I could, I could start talking. Could have a few drinks that you never know. It's like, it's like, are you writing a short new R story? What's going on? Do you tell, do you just go and tell people at parties about your train fare booth? Yeah. Days are like, what? I mean, what could he do here? I'm thinking like, I'm going to walk home. Okay. So somebody actually measured it out. Did you read that? If, if he were actually going to walk home, they were saying it was going to be a two hour walk home assuming he hits all the cross streets, correct times, doesn't get into any trouble. So they at least made it a valiant effort to be like, well, this is where Soho is and this is where he lives. That's a two hour walk. I've done, I've done about an hour before, like in the cold, like coming no cabs. I've done it and it's a nightmare, but this, I don't know. I think I'm trying to barter with the subway guy more. I'm trying to be like, I got a watch. I got like, just get, just get me on this train. Either that or go to the next booth, like whatever, like a few blocks. Just keep, maybe that guy will get you out and keep getting into every subway tunnel you can until somebody just lets you on the fucking train. Yeah. Like it's, it's been that we were in Chicago one time coming home from a hockey game. It was like, I mean, swirling, freaking weather, like snow coming down and like, we're just going to keep walking and if we can get a cab eventually, we'll get a cab. But you just keep going, man. Like stop, stop running towards trouble. Start, start walking towards at least what you know is some sort of center, you know? More just absolute like, holy how is this cast in the same movie? John Herd and Terry Gar at this bar. What do you want in there, man? Terry Gar. I mean, obviously you guys know how I feel about Terry Gar, but what do you say? What do you say? What I don't understand is why it's, this is not a viable option for him. It's, I think he's just not into it. Like, you know, like the whole like sort of 60s thing that should like the beehive kind of thing in the 80s though. I know, but listen, what do you say Terry Gar? Like I'm into it. It's like, I think the movie, I was like, let's go, dude, you got, you got Terry Gar. The movie's portraying it as like, almost maybe even she's like too easy at this point, you know? Paul. I know that's what I'm saying. It's like, Jesus Christ, dude. Walks, I love when he walks or like, if he walks and gets like the matches and he gets the note from her saying like, I help me. I hate this job. Like, I think, I love her character because I think she's wanting someone to walk in and this bar at some point and save her. But like save her like a neo noir movie would be, you know, like he wants, she wants him to be like, I got you baby. Don't you worry. Yeah, we're getting out. Get in my Lamborghini outside. We're going to the suburbs. And I love her reaction to her. Like he picks up the thing and she's like, like she's not like, if she was trying to play this part, she's not doing it well. You know what I mean? I love that. That's my problem. I got to have that piece of paper with her, with her writing on it. Maybe, maybe I'd ask her to like kiss it with some lipstick or something like that and shine it Terry Gar, but that's what I want. Okay. She's dead. I want, it would have been a while ago. Okay. I want for whatever reason, even though I don't, I don't particularly like it, I just have a thing for the charm is John Hurd's keys. I just want his keys. That's pretty good. Yeah. I'm going to take his keys. Oh yeah. I want Paul Hackett's suit. This suit's gone through a shit ton of bullshit. And I think he's still going to be wearing it after he gets it cleaned. Yeah, dude, he doesn't have any money. Remember he lost his last $20, which is what Nick Madd once, he wants the $20 bill for the prop. Yeah. That checks out. That checks out. I just want to go, I just want to say, I want to say, what do you say? I just want to say that it seems like, as much of it, I've been kind of talking about Paul's expectations and everything, it's like we start to kind of see some expectations from other people because of who Paul is, because he is. He's like a more of a yuppie kind of a, not a finance guy, but a word processor. He has a suit on. He works with computers. Okay. It's a big deal. All right. This is a big deal back then. And so he seems like he could be the guy who maybe saves her. But then in the same idea, it's not like the note said, it says, help me, I'm being abused or something like that. It says, I hate my job. It's like, well, lots of people fucking hate their job. I do too. That's why I'm here. Yeah. That's why I'm fucking here. Why don't you go out to the suburbs randomly at two in the morning and see what kind of adventures you can get into fucking Terry. Enjoy it. All right. You probably won't. It's almost like she's on his same trajectory. Yeah. You know, and he's like rejecting that because he wants like, he wants more of like a, you know, a project, I guess it seems. But there's also a dude around now. So he's like, it's almost like he's trying to be cool around the dude. Sure. In a weird way. Cause we haven't seen any dudes so far. And now he's, oh, I smoke now. I smoke now. I smoke. Yeah. Anyway, can I get a bus fare? I love when movies do this, like just like, just such an intriguing setup like this, where like, it must be so much fun to write shit like this where John Herd's character is, you know, he's trying to give him the bus fare. Cash register won't open. He doesn't have the keys. Like the keys up in my apartment. There's been burglaries. Well, yeah, you, I mean, I'll go, I'll go get it, but like, you don't, you don't know me. Like it's crazy. And then he's like, gives him his house keys for collateral. Well, I guess, I mean, not if you're coming back to get them. Yeah. I always carry a spare set of keys that go nowhere with me. And I just give it to people. I'm like, hold on to these. I'll be back. I just, I love like this, this sort of like intriguing setup. Like where it's almost like the, the story is like letting you know exactly what's supposed to happen. And also Paul Hack is like, okay, we've come up with a great plan here. How can this go bad? Like I just go up there and get your, and get your thing. And then I come back and then I go to the bus or I go to, sorry, to the train. And I love how it's like setting the audience up for an expectation and Paul Hack it. And then we'll just like, you know, reverse it on its head because that's what this movie does. It's, it's so much fun to watch. But I also think this is the moment where I started to think that this is some huge elaborate setup by the neighborhood because why the fuck does the bartender who's been at his job for a long time today not have keys to his register and how does he not know that until this moment? Right. You know, so it just seems too convenient for Paul. Paul's like, well, cool, whatever it'll take to get home. Not, I would be like, Hey man, so you've been here for like a couple hours and you have not opened your register since, since you've been here. Is it one of those things where it's like, Oh, you got to ring something up to, you know, get it to kick open. And it's just like, okay, so just say we rang something up, just ring something up. I don't know what you want. That's weird. And you know what, I'll just come back with a $5 bill because, you know, I don't only carry single dollar bills with me. I never take anything more. I'll just come back with a $5 bill. I'll give it to you and we'll just call it even. How about that? But no, we can't do that. It is one of those things that it seems like as much as I like these, these plot points that you're talking about, Sean, they do seem like they could be solved in a very simple manner. You know what I mean? Like we just ring something up. You know what I mean? Or a simple explanation. Or by the way, Terry, whatever her name is in the movie has probably changed. Julie has changed. Brother, Julie needs you to help save her. Like, let's just have a conversation with her. Julie, I need help. Yeah, it's like, she's got money on her. But like what he's already been through is like because of a woman, I'm only trusting men from here on out. Exactly. Like there ain't no way I'm falling for these broads again. That's what I mean. Like I think it's, I don't know. I, maybe I just get myself over it too easily. I just, I just all just makes complete sense to me. But like going up to the apartment and the guys accusing him of stealing it. You're like he flushed in the toilet and overflowing. He's like, fuck, God damn it. It's like pure anxiety. Such a such an inconvenience. And then like at this moment, it's such a small inconvenience. And then I think about John Herd going up still later. He never says anything about it. He never says anything about it. He just goes up. He's like, oh my, what the fuck am I toiling? Good Lord, man. It's so funny to be to think about the aftermath of after hours. The people who accuse him of stealing in the apartment building or whatever, I'd be like, I didn't take anything. Get the fuck off of me. You know, like I would not stand for this shit. But like again, he's expectations get foiled. Like he's closed up for the night and now he's got to go to what he goes to Julie's now, right? He goes back to Julie's. Yeah. So scene three, the bartender offers Paul money. If he helps check on his apartment, Paul agrees, but he mistakenly interferes with two burglars, returns to the loft thinking he's saving Kiki only to learn he misunderstood the entire situation. He's urged to apologize to Marcy, but instead finds her dead from an apparent overdose. Panicked. Paul calls the police. When he returns to the bar, he discovers Marcy was connected to the bartender making everything even more complicated. I about chat myself when Will Patton came in. Yeah, man. Oh my God. Horst. Horst. I got it. I need more. I need this is not enough of Will Patton with eyeliner on. It's so good. I feel like leather. I need more. He's like, I want my own. I want our own like crow story, but it's Horst who's just kind of saving the day yet, but he's not really saving the day, you know, is bondage superhero. Yeah. Fuck yeah, dude. And we're assuming he's dating Kiki. Maybe he could, we don't know he could have been dating Marcy. Like we just have no clue. He's just being a Dom for the night or vice versa. Yeah. He's just, and we're just going to go to club Berlin. I wonder what that could be. Weird wonder. I love, yeah, I've seen this movie, I don't know, 15, 20 times. This rewatch, I noticed it was Will Patton. Like I never even, I never even like, it never clocked in my brain seeing even his name on, on the in the credits or anything. I'm just like, holy shit. My dude. It's his voice. Oh yeah. For sure. And he just looks so awesome. It's incredible. Lack of discipline. Lack of discipline. So they force him in to go say, you know, sorry to her. And it's kind of an unexpected bummer the first time you're watching this. Be like, oh, really? Yeah. Shit, dude. Because yeah, she clearly had some problems, but now it's basically the fact that he just abandoned her like this. And she was so upset that she potentially killed herself over this fucking dude. Okay. Yikes. That's a big yikes, man. And he takes it surprisingly well. I mean, but like, Kevin, any of us, I'm just saying, like, you know, sometimes shit doesn't work out with people. And I, you got to break it off. Now, maybe you get a handle of it differently. Yeah. He does call the cops and puts up signs. It's a dead body. Yeah. By the way, super creepy way to, to help out. Listen, I don't have time. Actually, maybe, maybe this is your answer, bro. You call the cops, you stay, you be a part of this investigation and they could either take you home or to a jail cell. Both are better options than what you're trying to accomplish right now. And what you're probably about to go through because like, let's be real, you're right, actually, instead of putting up creepy ass signs, like you're the next guy from seven. And how about you just stick around and you say, yeah, you know, we, we were kind of on a date. I just met her tonight. And unfortunately, like this is what happened. I left. There is no, there's no pubes or seminal fluid of mine on her at all. Like you can check. I know you have those kits. I'll do a DNA, DNA kit or whatever. It's like, what's a DNA kit? Because it's 1985. And you're just like, uh, I don't know what to tell. What's today? What's today? Or they were like, we need to check to see if your pubes are on her. You're not shaved. Are you? It's like, no one shaved. It's 1985. And they're like, Oh yeah, I only shaved my face. Not my pubes. Yeah. And then he's good to go. Yeah. No pubes. Good to go. Let's see your pubes look like that. There's her pubes. Well, yeah, we're good. This gross. A lot of pubes talk going on. Uh, yeah. I love how he kind of props with the open to another insert too. It's just, I don't know, just emphasizing these little things is just, it makes me so happy. But then runs into Julia. He's like, I did it. I finally did it. I quit my job. Like great. Okay. What do you want from me? Like, yeah. Uh, goes to her apartment. I love when he's like kind of bitching at her and are like saying, like, I've had such a shitty night or whatever. I just, you know, he just saw a dead body. He's like, Oh wait, wait, hold that thought. She changes the record over to the, over to the monkeys. And she's like, okay, talk to me. In the background, there's like 15 cans of aquanet on a big shelf behind her for her hair. Mousetrap surrounding the bed. What the Lord? What the fuck again? I think this, like this, this book on the table here, uh, the writer has a really good way of putting it where it's like the women he meets are like certain levels of not like hell, but like, like their bosses, their like end stage bosses, wait, kind of fight. Yes. Kind of like, like I said, Marcy seems like the easy one. Sorry to say, like it's disgusting. She's glass jaw from Mike Tyson. She's the first. There you go. And so Kiki's like the impenetrable one, you know, right? E Honda. E Honda. Right. And then Julie is like, sorry, I'm saying all the names wrong. Street Fighter. Uh, Julie is like a representation of his like impotence. Literally Mousetraps around the bed, you know what I mean? But yeah, as we get further into it, like Verna Bloom at the end is like, obviously, final boss mom. Yeah. You know, just really, like really fun stuff when you like really kind of like look deep on it, I guess. But I, again, I, this is one of my favorite performances by Terry Gar and ever like she's so funny in this. I love her so much. And then he goes, he goes back bar, they're about to make eyes like, Oh, he's back and he goes in there and the just fucking dude just ripping off the nipple of his partner just in the background while he's sitting there is so awesome. Cause they're just two, two quintessential 80s gay dudes just making out of the bar and no one's caring. It's so great. It's so, and John heard like, what? It's not like she's going to kill herself. Yeah. Phone rings. Holy shit. I got myself involved with all of the linear rangers. So take off. What's she going to do? Kill herself ring phone rings, which is the phone call that his girlfriend has killed himself. It's, it's fucking nuts, man. And I, I did read that Martin Scorsese told Griffin Dunn to refrain in his real life from sex and sleep during filming in order to get a more realistic feeling of paranoia. And it's the combination of him and the filmmaking. It really just, this is anxiety, man. Yeah. The whole thing paranoia, anxiety. It's just a trip. He said he failed doing. Okay, really? And done. He, uh, and the way, the way Marty found out was the scene where he gives Linda forantino the back rub or whatever. Um, and cause he's like, he's like doing a take with like he's rubbing her shoulders or whatever. He's like, I don't believe you right now. Did you go and fuck someone last night? He's like, I'm sorry, Marty. There's no job in your pants right now from touching a woman. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm looking for something. Griffin Dunn, are you done? All right. Well, he says, Martin has his, has a quote in this book. He says, paranoia is my natural state and anxiety, the essential component of my character. It's still, it's like to a T. Yep. This, this whole movie. And like, I think people say it's his most religious movie. I think it's his, like maybe one of his most Marty movies. Like there's so much of Marty in this movie. You know what I mean? Marty moose, Marty moose. I mean, it does. It, the, the, the flow, the flow that kind of keeps this whole thing going is, is really just his, his inability, I guess, to just just do what he's supposed to do. And he just keeps going back to doing the wrong thing. And I don't, I don't get why that's my only problem. And I know it's like, maybe I'm asking too much out of this, but it's just like, why, why do you keep going over there, man? Like also he's like, yeah, let me, to Julie, he's like, let me, yeah, I'll get your number. And she's like, my number is five, four, four, three, three. He's like, okay, that's not enough numbers, but I'll pretend to write it down because I'm not going to call you back. It's like when somebody's like, do you want the confirmation or do you want the, yeah, I'll write it down. Yeah. Five, five, five. Yeah, that'd be great. Okay. Okay. Let me read that back to you. Seen for Julie feeling rejected, turns against Paul and begins spreading the idea that he is in the neighbor, that he's the neighborhood thief. Soon a full vigilante mob forms and begins hunting Paul through the streets of Soho. Every attempt he makes to get help backfires, including being denied entry to a nightclub, nearly attacked by punks, people who initially seem helpfully, helpful, quickly turn on him, including a woman who offers him a ride, but then suspects him after seeing wanted posters. When he goes back in, that's when that, that shot of the rat getting caught in the trap. It's so funny, dude. But that's why I think that this is like, it kind of all feels like this weird elaborate plan to me. Like it's a nod to like you're caught. Yeah. You're in our web. It's just like this is Truman show. Soho sort of man. Like they're like, Hey, don't worry. Marcio, get find a guy and get him in here. Yeah. And then we'll, and we'll all go through our steps when, when, when they, he gets sent to all of our places. Yeah. Did you guys know at the end of like the departed with that rat goes across the, it's like symbolism for, for they're all actually is the same rat. It's the same He's the same actor. Yeah. Parted as he is in after hours. He made a cameo. He won. They want, Marty wanted him back for a cameo. So they were able to get, there were such good friends is like, anytime I need to cast a rat, I'm going to cast you. And I do need that quite often. Yeah. Totally. Cause we think our audience is dumb as fuck. They need to know that he was a rat. It turns out he was a rat the whole time. Yep. Fucking idiots. Departed was a 10 until I saw that. It was like 9.5. Jesus Christ. Well, hey, answer me this. Why in the fuck does Paul go to club Berlin? To, I guess like cause Kiki and a horse are there, but who he doesn't know, who he doesn't know, but like, I think he's like trying to, the paranoia is more setting in now. And so like people, I think he's starting, like people are starting to, he's just starting to suspect that people are starting to suspect that he's the burglar. And he, I think, does he need, well they have a connection to Marcy. Marcy has a connection to the bartender who he's really trying to get. I think he's trying to get to them so he can get to the bartender to get his keys. Okay. So he has the necessary means for, unnecessary means for finding some friends. I didn't think about that because bartender still has his keys. Yeah. Yeah. So I think he goes there and it's Mohawk night, unfortunately. So you can't, you have to have a Mohawk to get in, but a fucking bad brains is playing when he gets into this club. Scorsese is like, I know his, you know, more prestigious films, Rolling Stones, Rolling Stones, more classical, even 60s kind of stuff. You know, this movie starts out with like, what is it? Is it Mozart or is it Bach or something like that? But then he has this bad brain song, like, and then his movie Bringing Out the Dead is like all punk rock, clash and shit like that. Like very eclectic music taste. And he actually, like, it's not just because it's a punk rock club. It's because he loves bad brains. Right. I love that. I love to imagine that Martin Scorsese just even now today, like goes home and like gets everything set up, just kind of undoes his tie, changes out his glasses for a more casual pair. Pour some red wine. Pour some red wine or a nice little like neat, neat scotch or something like that, sits down, moves the needle on, it's just like, Hey man, like I said that quote, paranoia and anxiety. That's his like, that's his like, but like that's, I was even talking about, you want some ice cream? That'd be great. I was talking to my wife last night and she's like, this song's give me anxiety. And I'm like, it's quelling mine. It's making mine go away. I live in the middle. I live one foot in each world of that where like sometimes I'm like, this is what I want. Sometimes I'm like, it's too loud. I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with me? Sometimes it's from song to song for me. It's like, this is perfect. It's like, why is it so loud? What the hell is going on? I'm trying to trying to see the building I'm looking for. Let me turn the music. Yeah, exactly. Hey, God, will you turn that down and need to see better? Hey, dude, all the time. And yeah, Mohawk as like a Mohawk, this guy, like a verb like assault this guy. Scorsese is a spotlight guy. Yeah. That was a nice little touch. And this is when he runs into Catherine O'Hara, which, which completely reiterates the just caliber of women that he has in this movie. Catherine O'Hara is 31 years old in this and she looks so good. She's stunning. She's stunning. Terry Gar's 41. So she's right up my alley. Maybe why I'm so into her. Terry Gar looks incredible. Verna Bloom at the end is, is 47. She was Dean Wormers wife in Animal House. That's right. Yes. And I was in kind of infatuated with her back in that movie. So like, I mean, you've got them, then of course you've got Kiki, you've got Rosanna, Rosanna, her character, man, Marcy. This, like my dude, you're, I know that this isn't going well for you, but like, this is what you set out for. And every step of the way, there is a woman for you. You're pulling them. All right, you're pulling them. But for some reason, you just, it's just completely out of sync every single time. Every fucking time. First, first, Marcy didn't really want you because of, you know, all of her, all of her posts were previous shenanigans. Then you get all, then you get all of a, then you find somebody who does pretty much want you and you're like, no, what do you want with me? It's like, you know, this is on you, bud. It's what, what did you guys think? Did you get, were you surprised to see Catherine here? Yes, I was. Cause I didn't, I didn't pay attention. I just like hit play, Sean told us to watch this. The whole, every step of the way I was like, oh shit. Oh fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I was waiting for her. I kept trying to make Terry Gar, Catherine O'Hara. When I was watching this because I saw her name flash across. I was like, well, there's John Hurd. So naturally there's Catherine O'Hara. You would think. But no, yeah. They share one scene together in this movie, which is so much like it's, no dialogue or anything. They're just like talking outside and the dialogue's not being picked up. You're like, it's a home alone parents. I mean, listen, it's crazy. It doesn't match up. But at the same time, I'd like to think that you mess with time a little bit. These two met on the streets of Soho one night and you know how the, we caught that fucking weirdo and we don't know where it went. So anyway, you want to, you want to get a nightcap tonight and they, you know, they have a drink. They conceived that night and they realized, you know, we got to, we're going to be raising kids. We got to get out of here. He leaves that. We got to get, we got to get, I got some family in Chicago. I got some mob ties. Maybe I can get a job with my, my crazy uncle back in Chicago. New York, Chicago. Yeah. That connection. Yeah. And so they, so they go back and they start raising their family. I mean, it's pretty obvious. This is where our parents of home alone met. Thank you. I, I'm having so much fun right now. I don't know how to tell you. Do you see the spark in his eyes? It came back. I noticed it was fading a little bit and now it's哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 I mean like this time Oh, like just it feels like this time of actors man like what the fuck it could have been like a cabbie or something like Oh, yeah, come on in get on it definitely like a like a nothing but trouble feel you know We haven't even mentioned Cheech and Chong. Nope. I know like very good in this Hey, they are really together and I don't know and Peppy Neil Peppy. Yeah, man. I don't this is such a weird fucking movie I love it so much. Well, let's do the final scene so exhausted and unraveling Paul runs into the bartender again But is betrayed and nearly handed over to the mob in a last-ditch effort to hide Paul's covered in paper Michelle by a woman who disguises him as a sculpture to avoid the mob the disguise works But the material hardens trapping him inside as it becomes completely immobilized to burglars unknowingly steal him thinking He's a valuable piece of art drive off in their van during the drive Paul falls out the back crashes onto the street right in front of his office building what a totally Wild turn of events For him like it seems like a cartoon finish to this whole movie and I don't mean to start at the end Are you talking about paper mache cuz AJ? I'm I'm almost ready to turn this movie off at the thought of what is gonna be happening here Yeah, like I this turned into a F a fucking horror flick when she puts him into inside of this paper mache Yeah, and the shots of his eyeballs and the light turning off. Yeah, and the door locking upstairs. I'm like Like this is my nightmare. This is the worst fucking thing. Yes. This is my nightmare This is this is like being buried alive. What are they doing? Was this the whole thing? The whole ruse was to lead him up to the final boss so that she could basically commit murder and like kill a man by Immobilizing him in paper mache. Yeah, I don't know. It's just what was what was happening here? What was she wasn't coming back? Yeah, I guess honestly they they struggled so fiction like yeah Yeah, she can come down tomorrow and break them out of it and then have sex They struggled so hard to Apparently to figure out like a proper ending to this like Martin Scorsese like I think they aired it where he was left in there And like died mm-hmm and people were like excuse me. No, yeah, don't do that It was one of his director buddies. He took it to like every all of his yeah, like Spielberg and everything He's like, what should I do? What do you think? I forget which one? It's in that fucking book But if only we could read it have to reach over and get it. You know what? I'm gonna do it. Don't do it It's terrifying to me AJ. I just I just don't like the thought of what happens to this man And again the choices he is fucking making When when in reality, you know what let the mob find me and we will prove that I have not stolen anything right Hey, where's all our stuff not here? I don't have it. Oh, well, I know what they look like They're these two dudes in a van I bet I could help you find them if we go on the streets together super easy Wow, yeah, instead final boss verna bloom gets to paper machete me and the shots of his eyeballs inside of there going Okay, let me out now No, no, no, I just Yeah, like that like I say that's my nightmare for equal parts of the essentially being being Buried and and sealed up alive like I'm able to move and I'm unable to imagine that you got a scratch on your nose And then but the idea of initially just being covered in paper machete is the worst thing to me correct paper Machete is is my craft nightmare. Okay. I hate it so much And having that put on me put on my clothes. I'm like I have to throw these away I've throw everything away. I have to torch it. I should we need a new house. I need a new house Yeah, you've ruined the house because you spilled paper machete everywhere I'm guessing you won't be surprised that I love their machete and I loved making masks gotta pay remache So anyway, so you really thought this was great So this is like your sexual fantasy is getting paper machete locked in a basement Overnight to win the next morning the chick comes down naked Slices you open up releases you and then you get to have sex Yeah, that sounds fine It sounds fine to me Know that it was fetish, but it's a fetish. Yeah It was Michael Powell who suggested Why don't you just end up back at work? It's perfect. It is I mean we'll get to that a little bit But like a little more on Vernon Bloom or that one of the one of the proposed innings I think the written ending Joseph Minions original script Which by the way, Joseph Minion was like a student and this is like a spec script and Got made by Martin Scorsese and then we never heard from like lower Scorsese at like his lowest point. Yeah, you know like crazy Well, he did make vampires because it was great, but um coming next week The original ending was supposed to like it was like a Kafka kind of thing where Because it was like a representation of like he runs into the mother at the end that the final boss of Women in this movie is his mom pretty much. Okay, he crawls into her vagina and Into her womb and is like somehow born again And he ends up like on this on the streets of Soho naked and that's where the movie ends Yeah, that's that would have that would have taken me out. I love it. I think I Think what the fuck it makes me think though that this whole thing is Become like oh Sean. Oh Sean dear it's everywhere. Can you zoom in on that please? Oh? Yep, you Paper too bad. You're not paper machete in that couch, bro. Yep. You're just like drip all over that Well, fuck am I supposed to do I just use the book. I don't know no This is like $80 Yeah, yeah, well, we'll fix that we'll fix that in post Shit what was I gonna say Birth the birthing. Oh, oh Honestly, it makes me think that it takes me right back to when he smokes that joint and Instead of us instead of us having this like normal idea or normal cinematic idea of like going on some sort of like a fucking acid trip Going it's just him Flipping the switch. We don't see like the whole elucinogenic and the funny, you know Stuff happening on screen all we see is him flipping a switch And I think it's like it just all feels like one big bad acid trip It could be a dream you're kind of a thing I think it's mostly sleep on his couch and this was what happened to wake up Yeah, we're like falls asleep at his office and wakes back up at his office like I think you could absolutely see it like that Yeah, and I do I agree. I think this this ending is is like One of the only ways you could go like I love going a crazy way But I think this is pretty much like the ideal ending you gotta survive it You made it through hopefully now your eyes have been open to like the difference of You know, maybe your life isn't so bad Maybe your life isn't so bad and you can you can try to get back on the rails from here after this little Crazy experience you had yeah, or yeah, or maybe you maybe it's time to change real about reevaluate like your situation And like your workplace and and do something with your life Yeah, if this never happened then probably good, you know, but like learn something from it It would have been it's like what what if he what if he would have said like I Quit you know what I mean, but he didn't he didn't quit. It's like it's one of those things. It's like It's a resolve, but we're just it's just a slight. It's a slice of life basically and He had this insane night And the fact that he's the only one there other than like a janitor or something is just like well Here we are and it's like I don't think he was even supposed to be back at work that day wasn't it? I think it was like a Tuesday night or something was it okay? I think everybody's coming back to work. They open the gates. We're here and yeah Well because he says in the beginning he says to Marcy's like oh, hopefully don't be up early So it's just a lie. He's like, okay Man you got anything going on. No, dude. I could stay up all night fucking. No, dude. I'll hang out all night Well, anyway, I did forget I do got to get to work. Yeah That's true. He's so he was just gonna bang and then be like, you know, I I totally forgot I have this thing I just got a text from my boss that said I got to be back at work tomorrow. What's that? There's subtle touches in this movie that I love so much when he fake orders that food and then he comes back on the And the guy brings it over the you fucking asshole But here's the food Yeah, you deserve it use this fucking coffee to a burger you fucking psycho medium rare. What a psychopath little subtle subtle like I think this movie is like hilarious like those moments obviously but like He says he says to Katherine Herrera's Character June I think is her character. He says why can't or why can't you just stay here like where? the place on the that place on Spring Street like he was gonna go back to the bartender's house He's like well the guy there the guy lives there is the girlfriend who thinks like who killed herself and like may maybe Thinks that I did or whatever and he's like, oh, yeah, or she's like, oh, yeah, that's out there. He's like, yeah, that's right Yeah, that is out Just yeah, like little like Katherine Herrera was like Probably also a consultant when it came to like yes I maybe some of the improv stuff in here because yeah, Scorsese likes to improv sometimes too If we were on a train to go punch a face, yeah So Nick bad said he wants to punch Marcy the red flag queen whoa, I know that's a little too. That's a little rough Nick I don't think you wouldn't real life. Okay, well up to Opportunity wait till next week. I got a I got a equal opportunity punch I would say actually the bouncer the fucking bouncer of this this club. Yeah, well, that's an annoying interaction If if you're if you're just anybody. Yeah, just let me in it's like just tell me what's going on here So the love of all let me in my punchable. I think my punchable is the Is the train station teller guy? He's very funny, but it's like, you know, dude fuck you over over 50 something cents. Yeah, that sucks Bronson pin show Really? Oh, you don't like him. I don't it's not that I don't like him. I just want to punch him He's a difference. He needs to go on this journey. Yeah, instead of our boy Paul. Yeah the magazine Let me punch the idea right out of your head. I want to punch that punch that I do want to say before we wrap up if you guys are good to go that I was listening to Bill Simmons talk about this movie and with with Sean Fennessey and He brought up the fact that like Directors need to like do this sometimes Directors need to Take a step back take a lower budget movie which you know It's hard to say that because they're not making like 3.5 million dollars at all anymore, of course, but Maybe like a personal project like like take do something you want to do that's it I'm making this movie today. Imagine exactly. Yes. Imagine like Ryan Coogler Taking a step down and making a movie like this. Imagine Chris for fucking Nolan Just going like going back to his following days, you know, we're going back to his momento days That kind of shit because it'd be awesome I like even like fuck it like a Tarantino going like with a really small budget a really small crew a Very tight schedule. Imagine what they would we would get out of these artists, man I thought that was a fucking excellent point like imagine Ryan Coogler's After hours take on this on something like this fucking be fucking awesome. That's true I wish I wish people directors would do that and but you know, I don't know what it is, but Yeah, I He said he said to like this is very scrappy film like even like it's CBGB scene or sorry the club Berlin they got people from CBGB's they just went one night, which I come on over I wanted to know so bad like what band was playing that night But they just got everyone like yeah, we'll pay you and then like they didn't have to dress them They just all wore their own clothes. Oh, you know Just crappy little shit like that just just to get this movie done. Yeah, that's it for me A great story like monsters ink stays with you forever And Disney plus is where you'll find your next great story from the return of the award-winning hit series Rivals welcome to the naughtiest show on television to the unmissable crime drama High potential gotta dead body gotta go a lifetime of great stories awaits this spring on Disney plus 18 plus Subscription required teas and sees apply. Well, my friends we have dissected this movie scene by scene time to give it our modern day ratings This will be etched in stone. You can see our ratings of all the movies We've done at confused breakfast comm you can also support the show directly by going to patreon Dot com slash confused breakfast lots of great perks like voting on upcoming movies direct access to us in the discord weekly bonus audio episodes and of course the top tier the little Lebowski urban achiever tier gets your reviews red on air before we drop our scores AJ's there anybody in the chat today For some after hours talk. I believe there's a couple of them actually some of you did your homework Some of you did the homework. Yeah, that's right. Um, if you want I'll kick it off here with scuba steve scuba steve Popped in yesterday and said, uh, I was excited to see you guys reviewing after hours as it's given me an opportunity to watch one Of the few scorsese films. I have never seen Uh, I'm a huge fan of movies that take place all in one day or night Other than knowing the film takes place in one crazy night. I didn't really know much about it or what I was in for I tried to go in blind and it's really unlike anything. I've I've seen in a long time It feels like a fever dream With no clear reason Anything is happening other than the than to make paul's night absolutely miserable It's frantic and stressful full of anxiety But I was also caught off guard by the how darkly funny it is And around every corner is a new face to meet a new great actor to chew chew the scenery And a new person to hate paul Yep This is what happens when you talk to strangers and make really bad decisions Uh, I'll get I'll give anxiety the movie an 8.8 out of 10 We'll be returning to this scorsese again. Hell yeah, and you got uncle buck hunter. What the f did I just watch? I've never heard of this let alone watched it. So I was going in knowing absolutely nothing What a star stud had cast holy shit the gal from men in black the truck driver from small soldiers And even both of kevin mcallister's parents before they met no doubt I'm not a huge fan of high anxiety movies. It becomes too real for me But there are some funny moments in there, especially when the chick shot her husband and he claims I'll probably get blamed for that Yeah, they probably should have called this movie running man The dude is running like a half of the movie in all seriousness I wasn't getting into the movie at first because it was just one shit thing after the other But once you realize that he is in on the ridiculous of the night. I started to enjoy it I'm going to take 3.5 off for the 35 minutes paul ran throughout the movie 6.5 out of 10 Sean i'm going to save you for last on this one. Um a j what were your thoughts on this first time viewing it? Oh boy, um It take this this is one of those movies That I need to be I had to I had to almost wait to watch it um So I could be in the right mindset because I started it at one point and I I had a really hard time falling into the movie like letting letting it actually happen And uh when I finally did Um, it does it takes it took me like 15 minutes to like really Settle into this movie and by the time you get settled into this movie everything becomes really unsettling in the movie Actually, so it's actually really true. You know, I say yeah, and so I get to a point where Um, I think somebody else described this as basically the original uncut gems And I'm like totally got it from that from this movie That that makes a lot of sense because it is it's just one it's just one long anxiety trip of a night and uh Yeah, I just think that um I I love watching griffin done and just in like anything. I wish there was more of him out there to to watch He seems like he should have his own spin off of mash or something To be honest, but I just I love watching him especially amongst this like cast. It's like massive um, it's just it's one of those movies that I I have a tough time watching because I'm just like ah When it makes me so uncomfortable like there are so many themes of it that make me uncomfortable um Then it's it's it's hard to want to watch this movie But I mean that probably says something good about the movie to be honest So I've got to take that kind of objective standpoint On a movie like this Martin Scorsese just directs a hell of a movie and I love the way that this is actually put together Like like you're talking about all those like cutaways Sean of like all the little motifs the the the small actions that we need to take note of throughout this entire thing Like every time keys are picked up Um, John heard it's like what did he do with Griffin's keys? You know what I mean? Like did we ever find that out? I don't know. He gave him back. He did give him back at the diner. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Good. Good. Um Anyways, it's just one of those things that It's a movie that you could very easily get caught up in but at the same time Uh, it it takes a while to get going for me I enjoyed it I want to watch it with a Group of appreciative minds. I think rather than just by myself um, again until I can do that. I think I'm going to go ahead and give this a 6.1 6.1 for AJ First of all the problem with this movie was the poster It's this is one of the worst movie posters in history. I remember seeing it and going I will never watch that movie I think that is part of the reason why no one has seen this movie. I say no one I mean like the it's the less known Scorsese movie of all time, right? Like it just goes to show you even back then you got to have you got to have a good poster and this poster is Somebody should have been fired for that, but I love the grass is always greener idea of this this movie where you know, he hates So much the predictability and safety of his home and his work and his life He leaves it To get something else and now all he wants is the predictability and safety of his home and his job And it's it that's such a fun trip Scorsese did a hell of a job in this It's always tough when it's a brand new movie for me because I I feel excited about it But I also don't feel like I quite yet have the like There this classic like Sean seen it a million times. I've seen it twice and I've loved it But I'm not sure I'm ready to be like This is a 10 kind of a thing It reminds me a lot of like a movie like the player in in a way where it's like a something I've never heard of Never saw and I'm just like this is good. This is fucking good. I should tell people about this But it's not like I'm gonna buy I'm gonna buy the criterion collection or like or like Watching a million more times, you know, so like for me, it's it's a very if you see my scores This is very respectable a 7.5 is what I would like to call this. I very much enjoyed that you made us watch this like Oh, yeah, it's it's awesome to see new movies. You've never heard of I'll hit nick mad up real quick He says upon first watch I knew absolutely nothing about this film other than it had been directed by Morton Scorsese The mastermind behind such feel-good classic movies like good fellas taxi driver and that one with leo de caprio So naturally I expected greatness and what I got was a lesson in style over substance that left me anxious and engaged After hours is not an easy watch until it is the first 15 minutes had me questioning exactly what this was and where it was going Then a female character casually mentioned she fell asleep through the majority of a six-hour sexual assault And I rerouted my expectations What follows is both Kafka ex nightmare of comedic misfortune and a tribute to the late night trials of trying to get laid It's a film that if taken literally can seem quite nonsensical But when you compare how the film makes you feel with the intent of its director it all makes sense After hours is like a dream no one has ever had but everyone can relate to Modern day rating 7.1 five-star moment when paul hackett is hiding on the fire escape Witnesses a woman shooting a man to death in her apartment calmly tells himself. I'll probably get blamed for that All right, sean. What do you think man? I think you're right actually a j that uh, he never actually does get his key back keys back He says he's go he's going to get him and that's when he runs into kathryn reyhero. Yeah, and then he runs away from the mob. Yeah um Yeah, I this is my favorite scorsese movie. It's I don't think it's his best by far at all But uh, this is my favorite. I just I think the frenetic energy that he has the anxiety the anxious energy that he has in the making of this movie Works so well and like I said in the episode. I just think that this is Uh, the like maybe one of marty's most personal movies if not his most personal movie Just the way he views life and I think everything that like all of his, you know running sort of Motifs in all of his movies are packed into one movie where it's in this like the anxiety the christianity aspect it kind of like Sisyphian journey that like you go on you you go on in this like Um Yeah, I I think griffin dunne is like one of our most underrated actors like I think you said at ha right where I want to see more of this guy. Yeah And in roles like this like who could who could play paul hackett today? I don't really know Um, timothy shalman. Yeah, maybe I mean like uh ryan gaussing perhaps something like that I don't know. He just he's too pretty But griffin dunne is amazing this and I love that he produced this movie michael sarah michael sarah sure sure um Sure, but uh, no, I think I think you're right jake jill and hot. No. Oh, yeah Uh, I I just I I love the one crazy night movies. They have a really soft spot in my heart Uh, I could watch this like movies like this over and over again and never get bored. Um Yeah, I I think this is my favorite scorsese and Uh, it's really not even close to anything else. Uh, it's a 9.5 9.5 for shawner as a group. We are a 7.55 Which is going to tie this movie with heathers tombstone and best in show Is how we feel about this movie as a group tied with heathers seems good. Yeah, we hope you enjoyed the episode Thanks for being here tune in next week. We are hitting 2002 spider-man Followed by shaw shank redemption and if you're new to the episode go back this time last year the depotted Hey, what's coming? That's awesome. Thanks to Logan on the controls here at upload media group and cedar rap is learn more about upload media group at upload media group dot com Is it the website? And check out our network cloud 10 at cloud 10 dot fm. 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