Kris Jenner Opens Up About Motherhood, Hysterectomy Decision, & Building a Family Empire

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. How do you balance being a mother and trying to have a career? And how did you teach your girls that? I rolled my sleeves up and I was a full-time mom, which was the best experience of my life. When they're little, you're just learning how to take care of their knees and keep them alive. Like they, you know, you come home from the hospital, there are no instructions. There's not a little booklet. I watched my mother and my grandmother work their whole lives. I watched them have careers. I watched how they conducted themselves, how they, you know, came home from work and they were moms and grandmothers and they went to work and they were bosses. I'm listening to Martha Stewart. I wanted to be the, you know, the perfect mom and set the perfect table and show my kids what it was like to build traditions. My kids, I think, forget, especially Chloe, forget that I raised six kids. Why do you say it's not just Chloe? 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You are such an inspiration to me in so many ways. How you've raised your children, how you've built your businesses, just how you are just you. And we decided to do this episode for Mother's Day week because in my opinion, I always call her America's OBGYN and I call you America's mother. I really do believe that. And I think you've raised these badass strong women. And I just am so excited that we get to have you here today to talk about all that. Oh my gosh. What has she been drinking? Oh, I don't know. What kind of coffee did somebody give her? This is me all the time. I love it. I love the enthusiasm and your attitude and your energy is like so great so thank you for that well thank you for being here you know i'm excited i'm excited because i've known doctor we all call her dr a you all started you know you still you started it yeah my name changed after i met you so we just it's dr a and someone who we love so much and who's been such a big part of our world and our family and delivered babies and grandchildren and i mean it's insane i used to think back in the day that i was having babies at Cedars-Sinai. I had six kids there. And I used to think I should have a wing in this hospital named after me or something. You should. Until I met her. And then, you know, it was all the kids, all the grandkids, but the way she takes care of the people around her, whether she knows them very well or not, she's 1000% in and professional, but such a compassionate, empathetic, caring person that she inspires all of us to be better people. Oh, that's totally true. That's true though. It is true. The way she treats everyone is unbelievable. And no matter what it is, and no matter what time of day it is, she'll text me back within, if she doesn't text me within five minutes, I know something's wrong. And when she does, she has a connection. She has a direct dial. She has an answer, a solution. She's very solution-based, and she's very proactive about everything she talks about. So whoever's listening to this show and who's dialed into this audience, you know, lucky you because you're in. Yeah, you're amazing. You're so sweet. Thank you. That's how I felt when I first met her. I said, this is my second mountain. I'm going to figure out a way to get her into the lives and ears and lives into every woman because the health care system is so broken for women. And to be able to have this knowledge every single week on this podcast has been life changing for me, too. I just I get too right even talking about it that you've changed my life in so many ways. Well, a lot of people have knowledge and who can give you a window inside certain, you know, places of information. But there's not a lot of people who have the solution that's real. You know, and a lot of people, you see things on TikTok and you see things all over the Internet and they'll say, oh, my gosh, don't eat these eggs because it's got this or don't. everyone's telling you what not to do but nobody tells you why and how to be healthier wherever it's the food you know if it's the food you consume or if it's the medication you're taking or if it's a condition you have it's I think a very serious thing to people because they're scared and they don't know how to deal with the problem yeah and she figures out how to tell you to deal with the problem you know I want to live in a world I always tell my children that every single women on the planet will have access to the care that most of us have access to. No, not that most of us have access to, that you want most of us to have access to. But a lot of people still have access to it. But when you look at majority of women on this planet, they don't get their basic, basic labs done, their basic medical care done. Correct. They're being dismissed, especially in women's health. So hopefully we'll have a solution for that soon because this can't go on. And these are, you know, you've seen it. I mean, you can even have the most advanced blood tests done. But then to have someone break it down, break it down. Like you did for me last night. She calls me after work and she goes, can we talk? And I'm thinking she's going to want to talk about today. Oh, God. I didn't even. And thinking like, oh, we're going to go over questions or what she might want to discuss. And no, she wanted to talk about my blood work that I didn't even tell her I got. and somebody sent it to her, thank God. And she wanted to discuss it. And she's had an 18 hour day. Like you had to have had. And that's who she is, you know? So thank you for that. Oh, you're so sweet. And you've been public about your hysterectomy. You talked about it on your own show. Can you guys walk me through that, that whole health journey and how you got comfortable with that was your decision and what you wanted to do? Well, first of all, I think that a lot of women don't have the opportunity to have the relationship that they should have with their health care provider. And so when you have a relationship with somebody like I have with her, you trust, you know, what's coming out of her mouth, what she wants to. And I know she cares about me and my girls and our friends and family members. And so I remember going and getting a pernova scan and I told her I was going to get one a couple years ago and they saw a little tiny, tiny spot on my ovaries. Yes. And so she looked at it. She looked at the Pronovo scan people have brought it to my attention and I didn't even have a chance to get home and mention it before she said, we've got a spot, we're going to keep an eye on it. And the following year I had a scan again because that's what I like to do, my annual Pronovo. and it had grown a little tiny bit and she said it's time to take care of that it's growing so let's get it out of there so in a post-menopausal woman in general so younger women it's okay for them to have cysts most of them are functional cysts it comes from ovulation but after menopause you're not ovulating so you're not supposed to have anything growing on your ovary now if it's stable and it stays stable most of them are benign you can watch but if anything grows in the ovary I don't like it. I think I have PTSD. When I was a resident, I was in the oncology rotation at county, and it was the second busiest program in the nation. And we had one of the top oncologists as one of my professors. We saw a patient once postmenopausal with a two centimeter ovarian cyst. And my professor said, great, what is your plan? The plan is always follow up in six weeks, do a repeat ultrasound by the time this woman came back in six weeks she had staged i don't know if it was three or four ovarian cancer so i have such ptsd from that that anything that grows it's not worth risking someone's life and definitely not chris jenner's get it out of there get it out we were gonna she was gonna operate the next do a surgery the next day and you know we had scheduled things and got it, you know, the, at me cleared for a surgery. And she called me the night before and she said, you know what, let's go ahead and do the hysterectomy instead of just trying to piecemeal the, you know, taking it out bit by bit. And, um, so I can't, I think I said something like, so we're taking out an organ. Like, you know, it makes you kind of think, what are we doing? And then I realized I don't really need this situation anymore. And I would rather be clear of any medical complication or anything having a chance to attach itself and grow back. And who knows what is in there when she does go in there. And I think she just wanted me to be on board with what if something is happening inside when I go in? Like, will you give me permission to do this? and it wasn't even she didn't even need that for me because she has my trust so i just said let's go in and and take care of it and it was the best decision i ever made and i remember i think i videotaped your surgery for you it's 22 minutes skin to skin yeah i'll patient minutes 22 minutes i was done yeah well can i ask a question for somebody hysterectomies in general so when you're when you're on hormone replacement or let's say perimenopause menopause do you add more hormone So post menopause, after you're done with menopause, if and you're on hormone replacement, removing the ovaries, let's say 10 years after your menopausal, five years, seven years, it's not going to make a difference. You're already on hormone replacement. You don't change the dosage of it. But if you do it in a perimenopausal woman who's having regular cycles, who's on a low dose hormone replacement, and you need to remove their ovaries and put them in surgical menopause, then you might have to adjust the dose of hormones. But hysterectomy is uterus. Do you know that people confuse this? I was just about to say, I know, I want you to clarify that. So hysterectomy is uterus. And uophorectomy, salpingo uophorectomy is tubes and ovaries. So you have two ovaries, two tubes and a uterus. When you have any kind of cyst or mass on the ovary postmenopause, you want to have the permission to remove the uterus because, god forbid if you send that ovary to pathology and they call you a week later and they say and you have to go back then you have to go back and take a uterus when it takes literally five extra minutes to remove a uterus laparoscopically for me so why would i risk that in someone like her and have her come back and i think you were out and about you had six kids not necessary no that uterus did you good that uterus really really really was good for you it was really a yeah that was a good uterus and you had easy pregnancies yeah that's amazing all of them well the last one I had gestational diabetes Kylie gave me a run for my money oh but I was 41 but you were older that's what I was gonna say you become more insulin resistant right you get pregnant right ate too many donuts this is the last one but look who you delivered I know I know No, it's amazing. So can we talk a bit about you as a mother and how, what was it like the first time? And was it different than the sixth time? Of raising a child? Yeah, or having a baby and just becoming a mother. Well, I think, listen, people, I often say one is like one, two is like 20. Because for me, one was manageable and doable and I figured it out. And I had help for 10 days when I had Courtney. and I thought that was such a treat and a blessing and such a help and somebody to help me those 10 nights when you're trying to get your strength back and recover from childbirth. And then after that, I was just on my own and had, you know, some babysitters here and there, but didn't really, I rolled my sleeves up and I was a full-time mom, which was the best experience of my life. She taught me how to be a mom. And when I say that, like when they're little, you're just learning how to take care of their knees and keep them alive. Yeah, exactly. Like they, you know, you come home from the hospital, there are no instructions. There's not a little booklet, you know, you, and there's no, I, that was an era where that was 1979. So it's, you know, there's no internet, there's no computers. There's, if you want to talk to somebody, you're going to go to the telephone. And if you want your doctor to call you back, you have to wait by the phone. and you know there's no computers there's no seat belts there's no I remember the no seat there's no car seats you're just flinging the baby back in the back of the seat and driving like seriously it was a much different probably babies in the back probably that was my mom yeah and we did your mom help my mom was in San Diego and she worked my dad worked so you know I was there my mother-in-law helped from time to time but those were the days when you just wanted to do, I mean, I just wanted to do it myself and my friends and what, you know, my friends and I would all, you know, gang up at somebody's house and have so much fun and, you know, go to mommy and me groups and music classes and, you know, little gymnastic class. And, you know, those were like, it seems now like such simple days. And, but it was very Kim because she came, I got pregnant when Courtney was nine months old. So they're 18 months apart. And that was just more of a juggling act. That was like, and then I got to have somebody stay with me for two weeks. So that was a big, like that was whoa. And so that was really exciting. But then after that, I got somebody to come in and babysit a little bit. So I have some time to do whatever I wanted to do when they were toddlers. And then Chloe came along and then Rob came along and then suddenly they're in school and you know you have a little more freedom and a little more help with babysitters but it's it's much different today for my kids watching my kids and how because they're all working moms and I wasn't a working mom I was my job was being a mom for the first 10 years so it was you know when did that change because when we when we look at you now and I think that's one of the, we always ask our listeners questions that they want to ask. And I promised you most of the questions that came in were how do you balance being a mother and trying to have a career? And how did you teach your girls that? So when did that change for you? I almost want to say like, when did you become Kris Jenner? You know, the business woman, because at the beginning, you weren't, you were, you were a full-time mom. I was Kris Kardashian. You were Kris Kardashian. Yeah. No, I often say to my kids, I was a Kardashian before you were a Kardashian. What are you talking about? But yeah, I think when I got divorced and I had four kids and then knew I was going to go to work and I was really excited about going to work and really like starting this new chapter in my life. And really, it made me feel really strong and responsible. And, you know, all of it, very self-confident about myself to be able to go out there in the workforce and figure it out and, you know, work and create a career. I didn't know really what that was going to be, but it was sure fun trying and getting it together. And I think that Robert, my son was about two and a half or three, between two and three. and Chloe was six and, you know, and so on. So nine and 10 or 10 and 11. So they were all small. And I think just as a coincidence, probably at the most impressionable age to watch. I watched my mother and my grandmother work their whole lives. I watched them have careers. I watched how they conducted themselves, how they, you know, came home from work and they were moms and grandmothers and they went to work and they were bosses. And that's what I think my kids got to experience because they were at the exact age of when one would pay attention to that sort of thing. Like, who is my mom? Who is this woman who is going to the office or going to work and then, you know, getting remarried and starting that career and being a manager to somebody? And they saw it all. So they saw the whole experience and the whole evolution, if it were. But they probably don't remember, you know, when they were two or three years old. So when they were old enough to really take it all in and absorb it, I was doing it. So that was a nice, that was great timing for me. And before that, when you were a stay-at-home mom, did you have financial literacy? Were you paying the bills? I mean, back then, I just remember, actually, my mom was the one doing that, but it was rare to have the woman. You know, it was the man took care of it and the man took the bills. And you don't need to know how much money we have and you don't need to. Was it like that? And then it changed when you became the manager? I was married to an attorney who was really smart and very capable. and he wasn't a control freak by any means, but loved that job of being the caretaker and paying the bills and being the man of the house and making sure we were all taken care of. So he did. And I remember my girlfriend once asked me after I had gotten divorced and I was out on my own, she said, well, how much is your gardener? And I said, I don't know. What do you mean? Should I know that? You know, I was like so completely disappointed in myself that I did not know what some of these things were. I knew they got taken care of. I knew obviously that there were budgets and it wasn't just a free for all because he was a very careful person and he spent money very wisely. My ex-husband. But, you know, and would, of course, like any husband, complain about the Neiman's bill or like what? So, you know, all the memes you see and the funny things that was, you know, that was a very funny topic. And he made it very comical, you know, which was amazing. But I think what it taught me was I really need to be really more aware of what's going on in my life and how money is being spent and how money is being invested and how money is being allocated. if I wanted to be philanthropic with something, I wanted to give to friends, or I wanted every single thing in our lives that I hadn't known about, I educated myself on. And it was a slow process because, you know, it wasn't like I went out and, you know, went door to door and was asking people, how much is your gardener and how much? But you then have to try and figure it out in a world where there is no Google. there's you're not looking it up anywhere because there is nothing except a big huge phone book that you might be able to find a number in you know right called the yellow pages that they dropped off at your front door every year so you know to to find out and research something wasn't as easy as um it sounds and it just took time to figure out how it was going to live my life and what kind of financial responsibility or what kind of a life did I want on that subject Did I want to teach my kids And so I led by example in those you know because they were so young but I knew that sooner or later they were going to grow up and not knowing, you know, I didn't have a crystal ball, but you know what life you want for your kids. And you led by example. So many women like me are doing it right. They're prioritizing sleep, anti-inflammatory diet, taking the right supplements, and still your body feels off. 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And my friends during summer vacation were at the beach. and I was at the store working and I would go, they would put me in charge of gift wrap and I learned how to be the best. My grandmother taught me do whatever it is you're doing, make sure that you're doing it the best to your ability and do it over and over and over until you get it right. So whatever she asked me to do, I wanted to make her so proud of the way that I performed that task. And so I would do the best. I was the best gift wrapper and I was the best, you know i would clean and then i worked in a donut shop and i would scrape the glaze off the floor in the donut shop with this glaze scraper before school i was the best glaze scraper you've ever seen in the world of donut great glaze scrapers so anyway when i was you know my grandmother would promote me like okay now you can go work at the cash register and now you can go on the sales floor meanwhile the store was as big as this room so you know it wasn't like this huge wasn't, you know, this giant store, but it taught me responsibility. It taught me working with money. It taught me how my grandmother paid bills. And then on the weekends, we would make these things called gloom chasers, which were these, um, like candles that you would put glass on. We'd break glass, colored glass and make these things. And then she'd sell them. So it was really kind of fun to be entrepreneurial at a very young age. I was like 12, you know, and just kept working and realized that it was very rewarding, um, to be able to do that. And then I'd go home with my mom or my grandmother at the end of the day and they'd make dinner and take care of us. And so there was a lot of, you know, living by example. You guys share that you have, you've raised two, you know, these amazing, strong, I was a boy mom. So I mean, shockingly, I mean, I was so shocked when I had two boys. And I'm hoping I'm raising these amazing, strong, ambitious boys. But you both have done that. I mean, you have the most impressive daughters. And I think it is leading by example. I mean, I love that. I think that that's a, and by the way, you can be a stay home mom and lead by example in that way. But I share that with you. As you're talking, my mom was a very successful businesswoman my grandmother back then i mean she passed away when she was 100 and she passed away i don't know 15 13 years ago she you know she would uh write the questions for that imagine the sats of iran for all the literature questions were coming from my grandmother back then when women in iran had like no voice it does make a difference when you grow up with strong women around you, it makes a huge difference. It does because you think that this is what life is. This is what you're going to, yeah, you're taught. You're going to work with your mom and your grandmother. So, of course, when you, like I was imagining what my store one day would look like, and then I opened one with Courtney, and that's when we started working together, right before we started our show. and I called her up. How old was Courtney when you started? Well, it was 2004 and she was born in... 25, she was 25. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for the math. I cannot do the math. Always do math with the doctor. But was there a moment, I can pick a moment in my life that changed the direction of my life. I mean, I know when it moved from this direction, is there a moment that you can recall that or a person that came into your life? Something that really just absolutely you thought you were going down this path and maybe it was a stay home mom, whatever it was. And then it just went that direction and then became sort of the path of your life. Well, I think I've had a couple of different detours or changes like and I knew very distinctly when those were. so just the different chapters of my life different marriages different um every time i had a baby you know the big moments the big milestones that you celebrate um all of that but yeah very serious like you and you i realized it in real time so i knew okay this is going this way and i think this is from i'm very spiritual and i always think there's always you know this is happening for a reason. Everything happens for a reason for me. I pray a lot about the things I do and before meetings. And I want to really be moving in the direction of which is intended for me. And I'm very focused on that. And I really want everyone around me to win. And I think when you come at things with that attitude. I want my kids to be successful, meaning my younger children. And at that time, it meant doing well in school, going to the right school, having friends. They talk about how my mother-in-law used to say to her son, my husband, Robert Kardashian, she'd say, Robert, show me who your friends are and I'll show you who you are Every time something happened, that was her mantra. And so I lived with that going, oh, okay, okay. Good friends, good families, surrounding them with good opportunities, the right school, the right neighborhood. Like you just, that was, I was very old fashioned, you know, back then. Now things are much different because we don't even need to leave the house and we have the whole world at our fingertips. You know what I mean? I mean, you can literally go online and have a walking tour of Capri. Italy, if we want to be there right now in five minutes. So that wasn't the case back then. So everything, every decision that you made as a parent was magnified. It was like, well, how is this going to affect my child's rest of her life or rest of his life? Like all these things matter. And so it was very, to me, it was more, I don't think it was more stressful. It was just magnified. Like the decision seemed more almost magnified or important because the result could be unchangeable. Like your decision to go this way or go to this college or go to this high school or this grade school or this kindergarten. What nursery school? What daycare? What music class? You know, and you're trying to, I mean, I'm listening to, you know, things on television. I'm listening to, you know, the news or whatever you hear listening to different. I'm listening to Martha Stewart. I wanted to be the, you know, the perfect mom and set the perfect table and show my kids what it was like to build traditions, you know, when they were growing up. And every Thanksgiving mattered. Every Christmas Eve mattered. Every birthday. Valentine's Day. Gotta get the Valentine. Like, you know. You still do that on a bigger scale. You know I do. You know I do. You know, I was looking at just some of the things that I look forward to during the year. And I realized at the beginning of this year, I started thinking about this coming year and now Mother's Day and just the different holidays that we celebrate and how I look forward to, like, what am I going to do for this? And, you know, I'm already planning, you know, the rest of the year. and I can't, I'm thinking, how many days till Christmas? That's sort of silly, but it makes me happy. It's not. I think it's amazing. I love that too. And we love, I mean, my girls and my son, my son is so into it. That makes me happy. I have a question. What made you decide to bring a camera into this beautiful personal life that you had built for years with these beautiful children? It's like, how do you decide to, because you know, your privacy suddenly goes out the door. Right. Right. Whatever you've contained in your family, whatever you've done for your children suddenly becomes exposed. Right. How did you make that decision? Well, first of all, the main reason for making a decision like that for me personally was to keep the lights on because we were offered the opportunity, needed to pay the bills. Courtney and I were working at Smooch, which was the children's shop that we opened, just like my mom had one in La Jolla. and um when they you know that whole thing happened and we had an opportunity to go and i met with brian seacrest and he had a deal at e and after that meeting 30 days later we were filming so i had to make a really quick decision and i had to make a decision for the whole family because the older kids weren't as invested you know maybe or weren't thinking about it like i was and the younger ones were too young. Kendall and Kylie were 9 and 10. So I decided this, first of all, I thought, wow, this is going to put our store on a world stage because it was E! and NBC Comcast, and it was a show that's international, and it's a global platform. So I thought, we are going to sell so many T-shirts. It's true. And this is going to be the greatest thing. And then I just thought, yeah, this is meant to be. This is something I prayed for. I wanted to do something with my family. I wanted to do something where we all work together. We were all trying to work together anyway. Courtney and I had a store here. And next door, a couple doors down, was the three older girls together. Courtney, Chloe, and Kim were doing Dash. And the little girls were going to grade school. And Rob had a, you know, was we just, well, no, socks came a little bit later, but he was in college at USC. And, you know, everybody had like, you know, all the stuff going on. So it was very exciting. And I thought, wow, this is going to be a ride. And I could not wait to open that door of no privacy for whatever reason. Were you having, was it the first reality show ever? No, there was one or two that had come before us, but this was the one that people were excited about. And it became, I think what happened was instantly I realized that when I made the deal to do the show, I created this show and so I made myself a creator and a producer at the time as time went on then the girls became producers as well and we all worked really hard at the show and realized that as time went on the very first episode Kylie was nine years old and she ended up on a stripper pole in my bedroom. And that became a water cooler moment like no other for people that were just shocked and what are these people? Are they crazy? And that was the year that the stripper pole became an exercise tool. And Oprah had it on her show and people were having stripper pole classes and getting in shape on a strip. So Kim, as a joke, got me a stripper pole for Mother's Day that year, which is so funny. And so put it up in the bedroom, almost like a, you know, just because it was fun and funny. I don't think I ever got on it because we had lived in this house, I don't know, a few months and it all happened so fast. And then the night that we were filming our show, our very first episode, Robin Anton had come over to see Kim because they were friends and she was the head of the Pussycat Dolls. And so she has that she has this is a routine of hers and the Pussycat Dolls. So she and Kim were playing around on the stripper pole just having conversation. Kylie walks in the room and starts twirling around on it because she was watching the girls from across the room and cameras were rolling and people got crazy over that. And that became a very, you know, wild first episode and very controversial. And that's when I realized that we had editing, that I had editing control on the show. We were able to, you know, make sure that a scene wasn't there if we didn't want it there and majority ruled and we finally realized not finally because it was the first episode but we realized that we had the power to control the narrative if we wanted to and decided to really take very little out so I left it in and I said Kylie you know you're nine but this is funny do you want to leave it in you know and she didn't know what was going on she goes, I don't care, mommy, whatever you think. So we chose to leave the really crazy stuff in. And the only thing I ever really took out, and they'll probably tell you the same thing today, because, you know, vanity kicks in from time to time. And I'll go, no, you know, my I have a double chin or my hair is weird. I hate that outfit or I look fat or, you know, the silly things that you think about yourself if you see yourself on camera. So those are the kind of things that I would personally edit out. And then to this day, we take out almost nothing. That's why it's so popular. It's so raw. That's what I'm saying. It's raw. And I think, you know, I'm one of four girls, I have five brothers and sisters. And when I watch the show, I mean, those moments are exactly what happens in a house full of girls. You know what I mean? Isn't it crazy? You love each other. I know. And you scream at each other. And you say terrible things to each other. Then you apologize and you cry. Like, that's in my house. And when you watch that, that's what's so. People relate. People relate to that. People relate. So in relationship to that, and it's kind of all of this, I think one of your superpowers is being able to turn lemons into lemonade. How does, and so a mother right now, I mean, you can't get through motherhood without having issues. Oh, every day. Yes. Every day. Every single day. Every day there's a fire to put out. Yes. I'm like a fireman. Every day. How do you, this is a question that came up a lot too, that people wanted to ask you, was how do you, you have been able to navigate some really hard times and really so beautifully and eloquently and move, whether it's you or the girls, in a direction that's positive and in a direction that comes out like lemons to lemonade. What advice would you give to a woman listening right now whose child is really suffering and needs help from that? Yeah. Well, listen, I think I've always been able to focus on what's happening the best way that I can. And listen, I'm the first one that goes in the shower and has a good cry. I mean, you know, you're not, you're not, you know, you're human. And the some of the stuff that I've dealt with over the years is overwhelming for sure And I just think learning how to overcome adversity is something that you have to work on and really reach out for help when you really feel like you need it And I think I taught myself how to pick myself up by the bootstraps, brush myself off, have a good cry, and okay, let's go at it. How are we going to solve this? What is the best way to take care of this problem? or how can I help my child or how can I make things better? And where there's a will, there's a way. And aside from praying about it, I mean, it's, okay, what are we doing? And nobody has more of a fighter spirit than me, especially when my kids are concerned. And you'll do anything for your children. And I think that also teaches them that we can overcome all the things that we need to if we just are, you know, looking at this together and, and engaging the right people to help us through whatever problem it might be. If it's, you know, a medical issue, you go to your to go to, you know, you call somebody you love and you trust and you say, how can you help me through this? This is, this is, I'm really, this is bad. Or if You just have to have resources if you can. And those came to me over years. Just, you know, being the age that I am, I grew up in a town where I still live in LA and I know everybody. And I know a lot of people that I've helped in my life from time to time. And so I think that it's your community, your communication, your knowledge of what's happening out there. And in today's world, I mean, it's so easy to, you know, figure things out. But I think it's just the people around you that you surround yourself with. And some people don't have a big group of a big family or a big group of people that surround themselves, you know, that they surround themselves with or that they're a part of. And I, you know, I think you just have to through your life. and that's what I've always taught my children is keep your circle small but keep it you know real and you know one thing I've noticed with you over the years is I feel like you're one of those people every morning when you wake up you're giving it 200 percent of what no matter what you do you wake up early but you exercise early by the time most women on the planet are rolling out of the bed you've already done you've completed a third of your tasks probably what time do you wake up well this morning was 4 30 see but she i'm telling you i get text messages from her from i'm a physician i have surgery i'm up but i'm like why is she up like why is she up she's usually five these days and you work out then yeah have i well i i take one hour now i have this new routine Well, I take one hour. I enjoy my coffee. I unfortunately, I am that girl that goes straight for the phone because I have to see, are my family okay? Is anybody trying to find me? And what's going on? Of course there's drama. And I'm like, okay, am I ready to read this right now? Or do I need my second cup of coffee? So I determine the pace, right? And the cadence of how it's all happening. But get up, have coffee. I actually learned something from a speech that Jeff Bezos gave, which was like he piddles in the morning a little bit. And that was very helpful for me because I love that so much. And I felt guilty about doing that. I felt guilty about enjoying my coffee and looking at a couple of personal texts or walking in my closet that I'm completely obsessed with straightening my closet constantly because it gives me great peace. Like my mom will call me on a Saturday and go, are you in your closet? I'll go, yes, I am. And I'll have her on speakerphone and we'll have all of our talks. And she goes, is your fifth drawer reorganized now? And I go, yep, sure is. So that gives me great pleasure. So just being able to have those, a little bit of time in the morning to figure out what am I going to wear today? What am I doing today? Look at my schedule again. What am I, you know, kind of getting organized in my head. And then I'm ready for the chaos, which comes while I'm working out, right? I'll go, you know, work out in Chloe's gym, or I'll do Pilates downstairs or whatever it is I'm doing that day. And I will have complete chaos while I'm working out, which I'm not sure is so healthy every time, but it's wild. So Chloe got this stand in her gym. That's a stand kind of like this height of this microphone and you put your phone on it and it follows you around to the different gym exercises to all the equipment. It's kind of funny. This show is sponsored by MidiHealth. We've all been taught that sometimes you just have to push through things, but menopause is not one of those times. If you've been feeling different but can't explain why, you're not alone. 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Stop. And we were fine, but in that closet, what would the five things that you would take? If somebody told you you had to have five things to pull out of that closet, what would they be? Wow. Well, it would probably be any special, well, it used to be photos. Like back in the day, they would say, what would you take? Now the photos are all digitized. I made sure that I didn't have that stress anymore. So any photo of my grandparents or my parents, like every photo is digitized. So that makes me happy and video and stuff like that. I think that what I would take, there's just my children, my loved ones, my animal, my animals, my dog, Bridget. And just my focus would probably be where are my kids and what do I need to do and who do I need to go get rather than, you know, because any unless there's a real sentimental piece of jewelry or something like that. of my dad's or, you know, something my grandmother gave me, I probably grabbed that. And everything else you can. Everything else is replaceable. I think that's what it taught us this whole year. Yeah. And I, you know, everything's insured. Everything's replaceable. Everything. If you have your life buttoned up like that, then you can focus on in case of God forbid, there was a terrible emergency. You just want to take care of, you know, I think it's more important to be honest to be prepared like I'm like a Girl Scout so I'm like am I prepared for an earthquake is there enough water are there 52,000 you know cans of food like you know what I mean it's just it makes me anxious to think that there would be an emergency and of all the the ways we've been warned to prepare and how smart we all are knowledgeable like if I wasn't prepared in the right way i'd be disappointed in myself i have a feeling i hope i hope i get an a i have a question yes they always say and i've seen this in my own family it's really difficult sometimes to work with your family members right it's easier to work with a stranger how do you navigate being such an involved mom because i've seen you she's everywhere if kendall has any questions any medical concerns and chris is there if it's kim if it doesn't matter you're always there i've never seen this by the way there are few mothers in my practice that are just like you but it's difficult for mothers they're always on the phone you're always there with them which is shocking to me with your business no it's true and you're managing and you're managing so how do do you navigate? Like, how do you draw the line? How do you become the manager and this business partner versus this caring mother who's always there for them? How do you? Well, first of all, there's no line. There's not a lot of boundaries. And in the best way, I say that in the best way, because I don't feel like I need them. I think that my purpose on earth is to be here for them. and I had these children and I had a friend when my kids were teenagers and she said you know why are you treating your kids like this you're you're not supposed to be their friend you're always so nice to them and you're having so much fun and I said I did not have six children and raise these kids so that when they were 18 years old I lead them to the front door and say bye see you sucker you know like no uh these are now my people this is this is my life like this is my life's work this is my my it's my destiny it's my legacy it's my everything it's my heart like every time i wake up in the morning is are they annoying every once in a while sure they are you know we that all parents and kids they don't get along perfectly swimmingly every single day but they are i can them my biggest joy, but they're also my biggest responsibility. You know, like that's we're put on this earth to be together, not to be apart. That's the way I live my life. And it doesn't affect your work, your working relationship with them? No, I don't think so. I mean, we definitely can go in and out of the craziest conversations. This morning, I woke up to complete pandemonium over something and I was dealing with, there was 10 people on that group text. And then I go from about three or four group texts and then I'll get Kim going, so are you going to go to Paris with me on Tuesday? And, you know, and I'm like, no. And I'm like, then we go back to travel and then we go back to listen. You know, so it's just, we're like these split personalities that are so wild, But we know how to live this life with each other that we adore and that we love each other so much. And we're always checking in on one another. We're like each other's eyes and ears. We're constantly – It's the best. It really is quite something. And this does not slip by me on a daily basis. I am very, I lead with love and gratitude. And I'm so appreciative for every single moment I get to live with them on this life. I'm getting teary-eyed. This is my relationship with my children. I'd rather go out to dinner with them. Exactly. I'd rather go shopping with them. Exactly. I'd rather go on vacation with them. That's why I don't do anything without them. Exactly. That's the life I, like, people don't, like, they go, how can I? I had a close friend say, who has young children, how can I build the same relationship with my kids and be where you are in 20 years or whatever it is? And I say, you've just got to put in the time, but you have to really want to be there. This just doesn't happen to everyone. I feel completely blessed to be living the life I'm living. Were you strict when they were young? I wasn't really. I wouldn't call me strict. I think that's what my friend was referring to. Like, you're not supposed to be their friend. Well, yeah, I am. Because I'm going to live with these little cuties for the rest of my life. You know, so I think I'm very, you know, sometimes I'm not going to lie. Sometimes it's very difficult to spend the time that I want to spend with them, especially my grandchildren. There's 13 grandchildren. and I said to Courtney the other day, I said, I could take one of my grandchildren out to dinner every night, like once a month, and it would take me two weeks. To go through all of it. Two weeks to go through the kid. Like I'd have to start all over. Like this is, okay. And then I go, oh, this is a full-time job. This is, you know, because just because you're the grandparent, it doesn't mean that that's over. My kids, I think, forget, especially Chloe, forget that I raised six kids. Why do you say especially Chloe? Because she'll say, oh, no. Like, I'll go, no, no, no. You know, have True come spend the night. What? Mom, mom, you know. And I'll go, what? I raised six kids. It's really funny. So, but they're the best moms to see your children. And Rob is the best dad. Like to see your children grow up and become these insanely fabulous parents is what I think my biggest joy is. To see how they, I mean, Chloe is like the Pied Piper and all the kids, like she's like, you know. She's so motherly. It's crazy. It's crazy. And all the things that they all do for each other and for the kids and the cousins. and it's always a conversation about, okay, it's like, it's going to be, you know, spring break. What are we all doing? And it's not, you know, spring break. I'm going off with my friends. No, it's, they all are together. So they are together every single thing they do. And if they have a Saturday night sleepover, you would think it's the big, Chloe makes it like the biggest birthday party you've ever been to. She gets Hello Kitty, you know, things on Amazon and tents and sleeping bags. I went down into her room the other day where into her place where she was doing the sleepover. And I said, can I go like, can I come? Can I get a party favor? Like, this is crazy. So to see your kids, yes, do they have the means to do all this, but the things that they do that I'm really referring to are really not born out of money or resources or it's the effort, the love, the planning, that it doesn't take anything to do the things that they all do with one another's children. And that's what is so fantastic is they just like to be together. And that's parenting. I believe that. It is parenting. I do. At its best. It's parenting. And if you go to any, like if we're doing tacos, you know, suddenly tacos turns into a dance party. Right. And they will dance until we throw them into a bathtub. You know, it's like, you know, like it's time for bath. It's time for bed. Chloe's the best at that. And she's, she's, and all the girls are. But, you know, it's one of the sisters, like it becomes. Leads the charge. Yeah. It becomes their house. And it changes. Like every few years, now it's Kim's house or now it's Courtney's house or now it's, you know, Kylie's. And Kendall, by the way, will want to be a part of it. She doesn't have a baby yet, but she loves being an auntie. So it's just great fun. So for a mom listening right now who's struggling, is there a moment that you can remember when And is there a specific moment where you thought, I'm not going to be okay, and then you turned it around? Can you think of that? Yeah, I mean, listen, you would have to define struggling. But I struggled at one point in my life financially where I couldn't even get it together to take care of my kids in the very beginning. because it was a, you know, there was a rough patch there with the whole divorce and everything. And so I had to figure out how to make a living and how to take care of my kids. And that scared me to death. I mean, the thought of me being as responsible as I am and not being able to, you know, to take care of them scared me, you know, and I wanted my children to always be proud of me and know I always did the best that I possibly could. And I think that to be able to turn that around and just roll up my sleeves and get out there and wake up every day with a renewed spirit I think that what helped me was just saying okay this is going to be okay I got this And really you know talking to yourself I talked to some dear friends that really encouraged me to just be present and go out there and live life because people do it every single day. And that gave me such clarity at the time, you know, was just to realize that this is going to be okay. I'm going to be okay. I'm going to get out there and I'm going to go find a job. And I actually found a job in beauty, which was really fun. That was my first job. After I had a lot of jobs when I was young, but when I was a full-fledged adult with four kids, that was my first job after that. And I loved it. And it was for a hair care company and I was good at it. And I was working within the company on some different things. And it was not that crazy. And then I went on to do, you know, you know, more and more things and it all evolved. But I think you have to start somewhere. And people have to remember moms out there that everybody has to start somewhere. And if you, you know, if that's the challenge, there's always another way. Now, everything I have heard from other friends, it's so easy, not easy, but much easier, then you're not going to be walking the streets going door to door. You're going to be online. You're going to looking at, you know, things that, you know, are well suited for you or might be a good fit. And there's always something to do and something out there where people can get involved as a community. But if they're challenged in other ways, like if they have a time in their life where they, you know, are just overwhelmed because they don't have any help or they don't have a way to, you know, have a support system in raising their kids. You know, there's there's that, too, out there, you know, and making new friends and really being open to joining a play group. I met some of my lifelong best friends in preschool when my kids were in preschool. Same. Right. Yeah. And I think that's when there's really a turn. And I think if you're a young mom, or even a bit of an older mom, lean on your kids' friends' parents, because that's where some of my most trusted friends are still my friends that I lean on. So I really do think that women today, and I know we've talked about this for centuries, but women today um don't ever underestimate how important your girlfriends are going to be for the rest of your life amen amen amen that is that's the secret in my opinion that's the secret to all of it right is that's what i'm saying that's really because women that lift you up right women that lift you up smart women all sorts of women make sure that your circle doesn't gets stagnant, that you continue to grow your circle of friends. If you're meeting somebody at a coffee shop, if you're meeting somebody at a play group, if you're meeting, there's ways to meet people out there, but your friends and your women friends, your female friends are going to be a lifeline in different ways throughout your life. Through everything. And they'll help you figure it out. And I think that's so important. And thank you for that. Because I think a lot of times people see the show or they see you out and they think you were born here. Like you came out, mama's vagina, this amazing woman's vagina. This outfit. This beautiful outfit. But no, it's one step in front of the other, in front of the other. And that beauty business that you worked in has helped you as you manage Kylie's. You know, it's like every single thing builds on each other. And the thing that you think is so random is going to end up being so important to the next phase. So it's just really just put one foot in front of the other. And of course you can. And you have that attitude. Of course. You have to have a good attitude. Listen, if you really think about this, I started filming my show, which we are now filming with these cuties over here. I know. This is season 28. No. And I started filming my show when I was 52 years old. Think about that. Think about that. 52. That's when we started this podcast. Yeah. When I was 52? No. When we were 52. Wait a second. When we were 52. It's never too late. But I mean, never. I actually feel like you find your purpose in life. You do. Later. Yeah. Not when you're young. You find it later in life. Well, that's what moms like. moms think that they're these stages that mothers are in. It's very important to remember. I remember losing my mind one day and I had four little kids at home. Robert was on a ski trip with his friends and that they had gone on every year, you know, the yearly thing. And I'm at home and it was a Sunday. There was not a mother-in-law or a help in sight. Nothing. I got nothing. I could barely have time to order a pizza to have, you know, and I'm picking up toys and making meals. And, you know, I was just tired from the week, tired. I, you know, have, you know, somebody in my arms and the other ones, you know, getting into something and the other two are, you know, being naughty. And I was thinking, this is never gonna end, you know, and, you know, every mom has that moment of like a panic, like, like, am I going to be okay? Like, this is a lot. And with four children to me at the time, I mean, forget about six, this was only four at the time, but it was, they were all little and it was, you know, smaller and it was all overwhelming that particular day because we all have our moments. And I look back on that now and I tell some of my friends or my daughters or whatever. I remember that time and it passes. And all of a sudden, here we all are at dinner, you know, together or we're in the kitchen cooking pancakes or we're this or we're that. It's all in stages. It's like chapters. And you get through it and you go on to the next. And all of a sudden, there's 13 grandchildren, you know? So I don't know. It just happened all so fast. It's like a wave, right? You go up and you go down and you go up and you go down. And unless you hit that rock bottom, you don't enjoy the highs. You can't always be up here. Right. Then it becomes, then you get depressed and you have to hit that rock bottom. So when you come up, you say, wow, you just, wow, this is heaven. But I think, you know, some moms, they get overwhelmed for many, many different reasons. All of us. There's not a mom in the world that hasn't gotten And if there's a pylon or there's a lot of things happening at the same time, it can be very overwhelming. And you just have to hang in there and it's going to, you know, it'll pass. And it'll be another problem a week from then. But it's okay because you'll get through that too. And then you'll end up, and I'm not going to name names, in your bed every night looking at pictures of them when they were screaming at themselves in the bathtub and crying. They're like, I wish I was seeing them right now. Yeah. All those, you know. with your grandkids i know yeah yeah yeah so talking about all that yeah we're gonna do a little rapid fire oh who is the most strict mother ooh um maybe kylie and courtney okay i was gonna say courtney courtney well courtney for sure but kylie's kylie's got a real little yeah a little thing going oh she doesn't let her kids get away with like nothing softy softy kimp most ambitious Kim and Kylie and Chloe most like you Chloe mm-hmm hilarious Chloe I can answer these you don't need me for this best cook oh I I think Kylie. Best cook. Kendall's a good cook. Romantic. Oh, romantic. They're all kind of romantic. I think they're all really special and romantic and plan really amazing things with significant others through the years of how to celebrate things. And yeah, they're pretty amazing. I've learned a lot from those girls and Rob. They're all pretty great. Who was the wildest growing up? Chloe. Really? Oh my God. What? Chloe used to stuff her bed like a person was in it and then sneak out. And then you'd go in the next morning to wake her up and there was like pillows in there. I'm like, she'd sneak out of the house because she had her own little door and patio. Oh yeah. Wow. That little sneaky girl. I think of Chloe, you know what I think of? This big giant heart. Yeah. And I'm not exaggerating. And I've seen, I've treated thousands of patients in my life. Her heart is so pure. I felt that too. The love she has for her family, for her children, for the people around her. It's very rare to see that. So I can't even imagine her being naughty. If you, oh, she was, gave me a run for my money. Yeah, she was. And then all of a sudden she turned, like I could now face time heard anytime during the day or night. she'll be doing carpool she's got all the kids singing whatever song she's got on the thing at full blast and she's like you know the cool mom who's going to be the one to take care of you when you're 100? Chloe Chloe and Dr. A you can move in with me I'll take care of you we're just going to close with a few questions how do you look do you exercise 5 hours a day has your eating changed at this phase of your life like what are you doing to look like that what am i doing well i had um a very well-known facelift um a year ago which so that was helpful and it broke that was helpful that was dr stephen levine so that was really exciting by the way i met him in new york oh you did oh yes and he's what do you think my sister and i went to for a consultation and we just sat with him for two hours because he's the cutest thing and did you meet him at the party i I met him. I had texted him beforehand. Oh, good. But I met him in person. He's so sweet. Isn't he great? He's the best. Yeah. Yeah. He's the best. He's great. You look at him now. So I do, but I love a good peptide. Yeah. Like I love peptides. I love supplements. I take care of myself. I get my blood drawn every three months just to keep my hormones balanced because I realized after I was 45, that was like so important, like to your, just your physical female health, just to keep that bad and male health, by the way, like, you know, I encourage my son to balance or like check hormones to see what's happening. But I think that's a game changer. And it was really a game changer for me because when you look at your thyroid, you look at your, you know hormone um health and you look at what your body needs and then i started really doing peptides i did not do like an ozempic i tried it we tried it once when no one knew what it was and i it made me really sick i called her up one day and i go i can't work anymore i can't i'm so sick i can't like nauseous and so she goes okay okay let's try something else. And so the more we, you know, kind of dialed around and looked at different options, I realized that a peptide injection was really great for me. And then I follow it up with supplements, like she'll call me, Dr. A will say you need like the fish oil pill. Oh, my God, three. Yeah. And all that stuff to make sure that I have what I need to be taking. and that was a game changer that actually bought me an extra couple hours at night because I get up so early I tend to want to go and collapse as soon as I have my last email or my last call or you know see my kids and you know have dinner and I'm done and this really bought me a couple of extra hours every day I felt like I had more energy and I feel like you're more alert and then of course it's good for hair and nails and skin and all of that stuff and then I think that my mom always taught me that if you really you know she always looked great when she left the house so did my grandmother and they always said this is how you know you're gonna go out there in the world and you're in the workplace and they worked every day and they presented themselves the way they wanted to have the world take a look at them and so I always took I always loved fashion when I I was in junior high and high school and wanted to just take care of myself and feel good about myself. How often do you exercise? I try to do it every day. I do three days a week now of strength training. With heavyweights? Because Chloe shamed me into it and said that I wouldn't – you know, my mom has a really bad spine. And I think it's probably – you know, it could be hereditary at some point. You never know. So I really wanted to build my core and make that stronger. And after she harassed me long enough, I gave in and said, OK, I'll try this. Because I had done it, obviously. I went to Gunnar Peterson for many years in my past. And he was a great trainer in Los Angeles that really focused on strength training. And he moved away. So I started over again. And then I do Pilates a couple days a week. and I like to walk. I don't like to run. I like to walk. I have to be chased to run. There's no way. Like, yeah, there's no way. And I think we have two more questions for you because you've been so sweet to give us so much time today. No, I'm fine. What is non-negotiable for you in terms of your health, in terms of your... Oh, non-negotiable. Well, what's non-negotiable is paying attention. What's non-negotiable is not going for my scan at any cost because that's really taught me a lot. And, you know, if I'm being honest, I've sent a few people in there, you know, that we've been talking. And every time I send somebody in, they unfortunately find something that's life-saving. So that's taught me a lot. But I think non-negotiable is really just not paying attention. If you really, a lot of people don't want to go to a doctor because they're afraid of the results or they're afraid, you know, I think that also what's non-negotiable is if I can help somebody through something or lead them in a certain direction or, you know, be able to recommend or help somebody. But I do, I do harp on health a lot with my friends. I'm sure they're so annoyed with me sometimes. Like I'll go, well, did you get that? did you get yesterday i was with two of my team members at work at kylie cosmetics and i said to my two girls did you get your scans did you make your appointment no but i will and then they know they avoid me now because they'll they'll know that the next time i'm going to see them i'm going to say the same thing but i just think what's non-negotiable is not taking care of yourself if you have the ability to do so. And I don't even mean, you know, monetarily or financially. I just mean pay attention to the signs and try to get help as soon as you feel like there's a problem. And how do you get there, you know? And then because you do live a very public life, how do you protect your mental health? How do you turn out the noise? Oh, how do I turn out? Well, that comes from strength. It's funny because I used to joke and say, oh, you know, my drink at five o'clock or a vodka or a martini. But I think it's kind of funny because when you do start really taking care of your health, I also love taking care of my brain. And I've been talking to Dr. Amen, who I was telling you. He's so great. But he's also teaches everyone about the dangers of alcohol. So it really makes you second guess, you know, like taking better care of your brain and all of that. So I think me is learning when to turn it off and go do something. I love listening to music. I love just turning it on. I mean, in my house, it's every morning. It's a routine. it's like the music goes on all over the whole house it's like a slow like an anita baker baker channel or something like that or or baby face and it's just a you know a slow jam of music that just makes me happy and surrounding me with some you know music that you're not even noticing is on but it just kind of calms and soos and makes my brain or watching something on tv um a new series or a new, you know, something on Hulu or, you know, that I've been dying to watch. And that, I love that. I love just taking a minute. And I also think it's really healthy. And I think my kids all feel the same way, is when we can try to carve out and redefine what a weekend looked like. I think that people, I used to work 24-7, you know, 366 days a year. But I think it's really healthy now for us to take a couple days or at least a day, like have a Sunday and do nothing and just relax. And that kind of is a reset for your brain for the following week. I think that's really important. What message do you have for mothers on this Mother's Day? oh um just i know how much mothers love their kids but love yourself and i think it really starts from the inside out i feel like i've raised human beings that are beautiful on the inside out and that's really all that matters to me and i think that if you work on yourself and give yourself a break and go easier on yourself because either you know there's all these different types of moms, right? And there's moms that are overachievers and want to be the best mom. Or there's moms that are, you know, of course, lazy and don't really want to put the work in or, but just maybe reset yourself and just love yourself first so that you can give that same kind of love to your children. Because I know that when I'm, when I have a reset and I have love for myself and just try to go easy on myself, even though I know I have all these responsibilities. And it's hard. You say it to people and they go, how am I supposed to do that? You know, well, it's just, you know, find something, even the littlest thing that makes you happy and try to do that once in a while. And that'll, you know, kind of reset your personality because we can all get a little cranky if we're, if we're just strung too tight. Thank you. Isn't she the best? Oh, my God, you're the best. Famous last words. Famous last words. You're the best. Oh, no. Thank you. You're the mother of all mothers. I don't know, but you know what? I love you so much. You just have to try. I think you just have to do the very best job you can. And it's not something that, you know, when I say job, like lots of jobs have a beginning, a middle, and an end, right? This is eternal. This is, you're going to be a mom to these people. If you have one child, if you have six or ten, you know, you just have to do the best you can. And you're going to have good days and bad days and just do the best you can and everything will work out. We love you. I love you. And it was so nice to come and be here with you. Thank you. So thank you for having me. Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day, you guys. Thanks so much for joining us today on SheMD. If you want to own your own health, a good place to start is by following us on social media at SheMD Podcast and by subscribing to our show on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. For takeaways from today's episode, visit our website, SheMDPodcast.com. We'll see you next time on SheMD. This podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not intended as a substitute for a physician's medical advice. You should regularly consult your medical provider in matters relating to your own health. Even though we share our honest beliefs on SheMD, some of the products and services we discuss may involve sponsorships or paid advertising. you