Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 598: Featuring Sean Avery + Empty Netters

Hey Spit and Chicklets listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle at his basketball sports. I brought it towards the coyotes and I asked him if it was okay if I joined the Spit and Chicklets podcast full-time. A little bit. Ryan Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now. I just want to stand back or get that on camera. Eat the Andro. The song man. It's a full-time member. My only just gotten assist from Chris Bates. Whoa, we're buzzing right now. What is up? Welcome to episode 598 of the Spit and Chicklets podcast. We are in LA at the LA Kings beautiful praxe facility. What a trip we've had out here. Alessagando. Stell blue coffee's new can lattes are here. Crafted with 100% Colombian coffee, each can is a good source of protein and comes in two smooth flavors. Espresso cafe mocha and espresso sweet cream. 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I laughed. I thought it was awesome. I can't wait for the next two. So it's got to be exciting for you to see nice numbers, nice numbers on the video so far. Well, first of all, I appreciate that. But like, I felt like after even just seeing it ourselves between Corey editing it and filming it, Tyler as well, uh, wanton, the four of us, like we knew we had a winner in a sense of what we had created. So sometimes you don't even, I guess, need the public response to feel like you've, you've done something. Yeah, I have to fulfill you, but uh, yeah, it's been great so far. So as far as what my expectations were, I don't think they were that high. I was just so grateful to have spent that time with those guys. Um, have done what we did instead of doing two episodes, it ended up becoming three because of that special, um, interaction and meetup with, uh, Tyler and that David Babora who I mentioned. So yeah, I think that if you guys liked episode one, it gets even more crazy episode two and then episode three is one of the most special things that I've ever been a part of. So thank you to the boys because you know, they, they are geniuses, Corey and Tyler, the way that they edit it. There was a few other editors from Barstool as well, who helped out, but uh, you can watch that on the Wonton Don's, uh, uh, YouTube channel. Yeah, check it out. Anyone seriously, I think the editors in the Barstool world from the internet invitation, all this stuff, I'm new to all this. So you get a good glimpse of how awesome they are. Like you got to give them their, their product. Some of the best, some of the best in the world. And it was a Brad Jones who actually went on the four Brendan Jones, Brendan, Brendan Jones, excuse me, who went on the four play podcast and he's like the main editor and one of the master minds behind all that to talk about the process and, and how he got to that. So these guys behind the scenes who not only capture it and edit it, what they do for, for the company of Barstool and how talented they are, they don't get enough credit. And that should segue into also on the spit and chick. Let's do a couple clicks for Pasha and that's it. That's it. I was a little irritated because I see how much time and effort he puts into the edit and also the beginning, the, the, essentially the trailer and the intro to the video, which a lot of people pissed off about the use of AI. Now, I think a lot of these morons who comment, who don't like AI assume that he just clicked a few buttons and voila, it was made. No, you use the AI tools, but then also have to help curate this fun intro. And then there's a bunch of an intro. Environmentalists and anti AI people acting like we didn't hire four fucking people for the job because we got AI to do it. They're up in arms. So considering that you're watching a free sandbagger and one that our buddy put so much time and energy into suck my cock. If you're one of those people who wants to complain about this free pod, oh, you don't talk about this team enough. You ain't talking about this. Oh my God. Why are you getting Bob Stoffer on again? Cause I fucking like talking to Bob Stoffer. I think he's entertaining and I think he's insightful. So if you're one of those people that likes to pick all the little negative stuff after watching an entertaining hour and 15, 20 minute sandbagger with three former Boston Bruins who are absolute legends and we're all lack laughing our cocks off and you're the one complaining because you didn't like the fucking trailer because there's an AI bear running around literally lick my fucking cornhole. That wasn't a real bear. I thought I would. Yeah, I guess I really didn't get chased by a bear. I forgot that. Now, what is the issue with G? How is an environmentalist and AI at? What does AI have to do with the environment? Yeah, just like it's not great for the environment, I guess. Really? It uses a lot of water apparently. There's water. Water enthusiasts are coming at us now. So it's show no body armor. These are the, these are fucking incels who are crushing monster energy drinks right in these comments on us acting like they're helping out the environment. What the fuck are you doing to help the environment? You can't please them all. You can't. That's the culture we live in now though where it's like people try to get the meanest comment because those always get the most likes and favorites in heart. So it's like people try to say something so mean and vile because they know that's going to affect the algorithm. And I just want to make sure these people know like you're not really getting under my skin. I just like sometimes notice it more and I'm like, oh, I get it. I have a platform where I can fire back to literally tell them to suck my asshole. Okay. And for those people who comment that it's directed at you. And some other people might come in like, well, we're the customer and we're always right or like, oh, you can't take constructive criticism. No, I can, but I'm also telling you to lick my fucking five-hole. Yeah. And yeah, I guess saying it may be a touch different. No, no, no, I'm just saying, oh, for them, I'm saying what you're kind of saying a touch different in that like we love our fans and we love, we love this show, but we also like, we kind of want to do what we want to do. So I get a lot of people when I talk about golf, shut the fuck up. That's so well, they spit about the internet invitational us talking for 20 minutes. We work for a company who threw on one of the biggest YouTube sporting events in the history of fucking YouTube. So of course we're going to talk about it. We're a sports podcast. Yes, we're hockey centric, but like if you think we're not going to talk about the internet invitational that we were all not only a part of and also instead of writing your comment, hit the fucking fast forward button because we're coming at you twice a week on the podcast. We're bringing you Hall of Fame interviews, including Bob Stoffer. We're dropping sandbaggers for you. We're dropping vlogs of our fucking ball hockey tournament that we're throwing on. So I'll always go back to suck my fucking ass. There it is. There it is. There it is. So yeah, with that, I will say that we just had, we're all in the red eye right after this. We got to interview Luke Robotai. We got to interview Rob Blake. We got to interview Drew Dowdy. We got to interview Andrew Santino, an incredible comedian. If you guys don't know who he is, I cannot wait till you hear this interview. Sean Avril beyond this episode, the guys from Empty Netters pod. So it's been an incredible week, but my most memorable thing might be Biz at dinner the other night. And for anyone who's maybe a little confused right now, I have never in my life seen a man, you go to dinner and you get an entree, right? You get an appetizer, maybe you get a salad, maybe you get an entree. Bizz got four entrees. He got the brand Zeno. He got the cod. He got the halibut and he got the salmon. And he this swordfish too. Mercury poisoning the next day. I've never seen somebody eat this much fish in my life. And in that dinner, we're crying, laughing. And I'd say the jokes on, you know, you being a legit finding Nemo character like went on for 20 minutes. And then we got to see this picture of Mike Grinnell. Oh, this picture of Mike Grinnell flashed up there right now. Boom. Great edit right there. The pigtails from the pig. I thought it was the water in the world. That's the only time I pitched about AI was that photo and it wasn't AI. I mean, just looking at your shoulders, your hips are wider than your shoulders and your belt. Skin tight jeans. Skin tight jeans. He looked like Mantis. Yeah. That was with once with Barstey. He was bent. That boy bent. But the worst was Pasha shows it to me and he's like, oh, look at this picture from when we were in Vancouver together. I'm like, are you looking at me in that picture? I am disgusted. That's all I I'm not going to lie. I thought you were like, I thought it was like an Indian fan off of a reservation. Yeah. Like somebody who yeah, you looked a little native and you looked very chubby and you, you, it was just gross. So not that there's anything wrong with looking like a lesbian, but I would say I looked like a lesbian in that picture. Yeah. Yeah. Ellen DeGeneres would have meant all over you. Yeah. You looked like a lesbian, native woman. I went back and did push up till my arms fell. I was doing so many push ups. I texted my boy in Fall River. I'm like, give me the good stuff. Shoot it right into my arm. Yeah. Yeah. I need it. So in order to see that, you have to watch on the YouTube channel. If you want to see this photo of Mike, we're going to pop it up one more time for you people at home. Look away. Look away. Now we're going to get bitched out. So it's been an environmentalist. And I forgot to mention we, we, we had a sand bagger with the Duke. It's a, it's a 12 hole match. Me and Keith played biz and the Duke in a scramble and they had a shot per hole. I don't even know how to describe the Duke. I don't think a lot of you people listening know who he is. You'll learn quickly if you watch maybe one of the most interesting men in the world, but that was a lot of fun. So the trip's been great. And we met him at the internet invitational. So I'm sure half of you refuse to watch it because it's not a hockey player and it wasn't your idea. And we're talking about golf. So yeah, I guess. But being in LA, getting to the hockey news, you got a bunch of different things to go, go by here. And I want to mention first, no RAs world this week, because of how long this episode is, it gives him a week to get some more things together and without the zoom abilities, because we're all together. It's tough. So no RAs world this week. He will be back, but, um, can I defend myself? It was three entrees and I had a, I had a friend joining. So I offered up the halibut to her or she ended up going with the salmon. And the other one was the brandzino, which was I was planning on splitting that with fish, I believe. O pun intended. And you tried to eat them. I only ate half of it. I did not have any of that fish. Half of it was still there. I had my own salmon. Well, he was also like this, like it was, guys were sitting at opposite ends of the table though. Hey, all I needed to hear was a call the bullpen. I got a phone that rings. You can call me. I got another piece of fish if anyone needs one. Um, but it here in LA, the news was the Kenpey resigning. We didn't chat about that. You originally last year, we're talking about him being a $10 million player. I was like, what? I don't know. I don't know. And then the playoffs happened. It was just the first round with dominant again. And then I came, I joined your side. And then we kind of like, oh, it might be like 11 and a half. It could be 12. And it ends up coming in 10.625. Like that is a ridiculous bargain for that guy. Yeah. Cause I would put him, especially the fact that he would easily be the biggest free agent available. I think that somebody that now that class stinks now, that's going to be the worst. I mean, every year is the worst free agency class. I think this one is really going to top it. Cause you know, as it's, it's a copycat league and people get smarter as things go on now, no good free agents hit an up hit in the market. And there's always the one where I mean, like the Elers, like now, like a guy like Elers, he comes out of last year where he's like, fuck, somebody's going to give me max max year. Alex talks laughing. Alex, he's, he's one of the top guys. Like he's getting 9, 10 million probably if he wants it somewhere on a seven year deal. So, um, yeah, I, uh, I put him in the category of a Mitch Marner. I put him in the category of people might laugh at rotten in, but I think that Kempe is a 40 goal guy. He's proven that every time he plays in playoffs, he's got snarl to his game. He can play 200 feet. He's good defensively and he's a, he's a top line guy on any team in the market. Tells me, Wolf, I would view him more as a, a playoff threat than Marner from what I've seen as far as what he can do individually. So yeah. Oh, oh yeah. That's what I'm saying. So I've seen him four years in a row in the first round. If the numbers 12 for him and we're another half year removed with these guys making the money that they're made, I mean, nature's got 11, right? I think that Adrian Kepes proved more, uh, from a full body of work than nature's no offense to him. So for them to get that many years, the eight years at, at 10.65, I think that's a tip of the cap to him for leaving a little bit of money on the table. And especially him knowing that Copa Tarr is done after this year, uh, Dowdy is probably going to, he's obviously not going to be making the money that he's making on this contract. So there's plenty of money available, but he knows it's a team game and he knows that LA has been a good place to him. And he gets to settle in here and not have to change scenery and probably he, he probably gets the C next. It's going to be him or byfield, but I think that with what he's older, he's been in the organization. I think Kemp pays your guy. And I think he, I mean, you would know more, but he seems like a guy who when Copa Tarr does retire next year, he's not a guy that's going to be afraid to be that guy. Cause he's going to be the, you know, number one forward that, you know, talks going to be about him. Cause you have Copa Tarr to take that, uh, take that heat away from him a little bit, but he doesn't seem like a guy who's shy about it and he's going to take those reins. No. And I also, the type of temperament where if he doesn't get it, he's not going to care. Like he would probably just be happy being an assistant and, and, you know, one of those kind of like, like Nate probably doesn't care that he's the assistant captain of Colorado, right? He's like, that's not my, that's not my jam. But, but also a guy who's not going to be a raw, raw guy in the locker room. He's quiet. He goes about his business. And I've said this multiple times and I just mentioned it. I have a lot of respect for when, when he came in, especially in the American league for that playoff run, like he was an offensive player, very dynamic where I don't think he was ever expected to have a mean streak and play with that type of snarl to his game. And for somebody to develop that over the years, it's like, wow, you've really come outside your comfort zone to become more of a well-rounded player. And I think he's deserved everything that he's ever gotten. So good for him. Well said. Yeah. And I think learning from Copa Tarr. And they kind of seem similar. Like we interviewed Kemp, he's quiet, very quiet. And so maybe similar to Copa Tarr in a little bit. Just had his first kid just married. So he's, he's got the world by the balls. Oh, he's fucking handsome. LA is hosting and, you know, we're an Amazon prime hockey show. They are hosting the senators on Monday. LA looks really good now. They're actually, like, I didn't even realize this till I look, they're nine, two and two on the road. So at home, they've kind of struggled a little bit. So if you can, if you could play that well on the road, though, I'd be very confident that they'll be able to figure it out at home. On the way to the Rangers. Yeah, we'll get, we'll get into the captain of the Rangers in a minute. But that game, a nice Monday night hockey game, if you want to check it out, tune in Amazon prime Monday night hockey. Well, funny you say that because I feel like Ottawa, who was slower to the gate, now they're buzzing. They got everything rolling. And even before that Brady ends up stepping back in the lineup. So it's a credit with what Green's done over there. But two teams that might have struggled a little bit out of the gate who have, who have found their settling. And I mean, some people were critical of the, the moves that Holland made, you know, but you know, Cody, CC, they're a big team and they're going to be a pain in the ass to play against where I know Merles was all over, all over him will be in the fraud squad because all they did was win at home last year. What does he think of them now that they went on the road all the time? He might still stick by his fraud squad, call him. Rose is a stubborn, stubborn human, but I respect the hell out of him. He's a stubborn guy. He's so stubborn, so stubborn. It's on a give me an example of some stubbornness like if he has like a spot at the casino, like he's going to that spot, he's not not going to that spot. He won't go to another spot and you can't talk him out of it. Once he has his mind set on something, whether it be a restaurant, whether it be the beer he's having that night, it doesn't matter. He is not changing up his ways. That's Merles. That's most and if you somehow get him to change, he'll motherfuck you up and down and he'll blame everything bad that happens to him on you. That's how Merles runs. Okay. So that's, so that's why he talks to the dealers at the casino the way that he blames them. Not if they're giving him good cards, but he's a stubborn guy. If he gets bad cards, he's holding his ground. Have you ever met a more nice person, but then comparatively to blackjack dealers mean? No, yeah. It's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I would say he's like, when he's a normal human, not at the casino, not at the blackjack table. He's mother Teresa. And then he's basically when he's, I don't know if we're going to go with that one. I would say like a bad guy from like a Bond movie or something, but you know, that's a bad example. Yeah, probably. I don't think that's necessarily the one we're going to go with. We could just, we could just, we could just call him a bad guy. Not a good guy. Just call him a bad guy when he's at a casino. Okay. We'll bleep out what I said, but we'll still keep the, I think everyone's going to know who you said. Another, another big signing. And was it, was it on the show or us in one of the rides here? We were chatting about the captain of your team doesn't always have to be your best player. Like that is not something that's that you need to have in your captain. And Adam Lowry is a good example of that. And Winnipeg, he was given to see he got a five times five, five times five and a half. That's the new six. Six. Oh no, no, it's just five times five. Sorry. But either, I mean, either way, like this guy is nails. He will fight. He'll run you over Winnipeg every year is good in the regular season. I was a little surprised that it wasn't Shifley. Right. Like you thought of different guys when they decided to give the C and then you kind of hear rumblings or talk to guys in that team. It's pretty evident. He's the leader. Oh, I think, yeah, I, yeah, he's you like it. I love that. I'm Lowry. Yeah, I think and like, for a guy like that, probably once again, left some money on the table and was just like, Hey, I'm happy here. I love what the culture that we've built. I think that a lot of people after they had that year where Paul Maurice took off and then you know, the Blake Wheeler thing was kind of shaken out. I think a lot of people counted them out. And I think that that him and his leadership qualities really helped write that ship very quickly. And I mean, I know we talk about the playoffs struggles and maybe the type of playoff team they are, but I mean, every regular season, since then they've fucking dominated and they're, they're one of the teams that's at the top of the central, which I think we can all agree. It's a hard division. So right now the central is it garland with how good Chicago has been and Minnesota now this wall stat. We talked last episode back to back shutouts. He's continued to just be incredible. 502, right? They beat Carolina at home on what was that Wednesday night. They Chicago's played great. And then you got the top three teams in Colorado, Dallas, Winnipeg. It's wild to see that there is five teams right now from the central that if the playoffs started today, we said that we said that would be the case that that would be the division that gets five, but Winnipeg keeps doing their thing. And I think that Lowry is a big part of that when he was out injured. It was tough for them. He comes back. He's running around killing people and he gets 25 million bucks. And it just made a guy like that as a leader just makes the coach's job so much easier. And we actually had a bones Rick bonus on TNT when we had Winnipeg and we had Lowry on after a game and it might even been in playoffs. And just to see the way that they interacted just tells you everything you need to need to know about both those guys, but the leadership and the presence that he has for those Winnipeg Jets so credit to him. And once again, definitely think he left money on the table. But what a guy five times five. Five times five. Five times five. A guy who does not make five million, he makes way more than that. Miko Rontinen. Dangerous play. Dangerous play. You see that he runs into Romanov who's facing the boards. He's going fast. Now, I think what ended up coming out of is that they said Mayfield bumped into him. There was a little collision with Scott Mayfield, but it was such a scary play, right? You see somebody go into the boards that hard and Romanov. I could not believe Patrick Waugh. You got to love playing for a guy who was screaming at Rontinen. Who said that he was yelling like next game, you won't finish the game. We were with someone who said that. I believe that was me. That was you. So did you make that up? But you also said that on Twitter. You also said the Canadian staff. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What do you think? It's not great this year. I had a good hit rate last year. This year I'm struggling a bit. Let's kind of put my hand up. You made me feel dumb. I said they'd be the worst team in the NHL. I'm not doing good this year. Hey, that's okay, man. We've all had those kind of runs. Yeah. Every year for me. As a D, that is the biggest nightmare of the situation. When you're going back like that, you're facing the glass and a guy just, even a little shove is so dangerous. And I'm glad that it wasn't on purpose and he didn't do it on purpose. He was run into and he only got a fine, right? I don't even know if I don't know if I got a fine because the pump was talked about, but it's also why they changed the rule. Why they did where the first guy to get to the hash marks, if it's the defenseman or forward, that's when they either wave it off or don't in order to prevent against those things. But yeah, that's as bad as it gets because you push the guy and he catches a rut or he goes forward. It's a broken neck. It's a broken leg. It's the type of leg where you all of a sudden look over and it's facing the other way type thing. So brutal. If you're playing for Patty, why, and we all know how he played and he played with that intensity, especially you don't really see it as a goalie. Do you like, like, if there's a coach out there who didn't play and didn't have the reputation that Patty, why had, would you be like, what is he doing? So there's like this, obviously there's like a quote unquote code, right? It's not very common where the coach should be yelling at a player on the ice. That should be up to the players. And there's actually been situations in the, in the NHL where a coach has gotten lippy with a player where all of a sudden the coach from the other team sees that and says, I'm meeting you in the fucking hallway. Don't be talking to my fucking players. Let them play. Let them, the players figured out in this situation, obviously, like wit said, I would love having a coach that's fired, that fired up. Don't know if it's the coach who should be that fired up as opposed to maybe one guy on the bench. Like to me, I feel like if Matt Martin's on that bench, he's standing up and he's over the board yelling as rock and see if he has, do they have that type of guy anymore? Like would maybe Clutter Buck have also been standing up. Yeah. But, but I think that Patty Wa has one speed. And, you know, maybe as much as he's talked about how he's toned it down a little bit from his playing days, you can't, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. And that's, that's who he is to the core. If you go back and watch him in Bruce Boudreau that time when I was with the abs and Boudreau with the docs, that's when you're like, he's got a quick, quick, that guy has a quick wick. And I think I said to you, Keith, that was Romanov, who has been getting kind of like torched by the Isles fans this year a little bit for his play. If that was Schaefer, I'm pretty sure was on the ice, like with, with a Taser that he grabbed and just trying to legit put Ronton in down. I never even thought of that. If that was Schaefer, oh, I think everyone from the Long Island would have flown there. And it would have, I think butch Goring would have been in the stars locker room going toe to toe with him. Yep. 100%. That's what he's there for. And in news about Schaefer, he is now eligible for the Olympics in Italy. He was put on the list in terms of, I think you have to be readily available for drug testing or something like that, where there's a list of guys that are possibilities as being added to the team or being on the team. I don't think at this point, it'd be that surprising if he makes it. I think you're going to, I, if you have him and then Celebrini, maybe Bedard, both of them, all of a sudden you're set up for the next Olympics and you get guys in a little bit early as opposed to not having any experience and getting them in as their first Olympics in, in 2030. So I, I'm not surprised. I don't think anyone is. He just keeps scoring. And it's just incredible to watch that kid. So that's a pretty cool moment where he's like, I think I'll make the team up. Now I'm running the power play and I'm getting added to the list for team Canada. I would put, I would put the chances of it goes up every day. I, I said Bedard about 20, 25%, but I just feel like with every hat trick, one other one the other night in the momentum that he's gaining, I have a strong belief now that Celebrini, Bedard and Schaefer could all be on the ball three. And you can bring eight defense man. What's that? What's your percentage on all three of them making it? I would celebrate is a hundred. Yeah. Celebrini is a hundred. I feel like Schaefer now, just because you get that eight and like, you know, I, I, I trust that they'll probably still bring Colton Perenco, but I'm also saying that like, if you're evaluating their play and where they stand and what most people would want, they probably want Schaefer. No. I think with the eighth D being able to come, you're crazy if you don't bring them. And, and, and we interviewed Drew Doughty without giving too much of a way. We talked about his 2010 Olympics and how, you know, it was his second year in the league and he went in as, and Babcock told him, you're the seventh defense man, but you know, you could move up. Who knows? And, and he moved up like if Schaefer went over there and gotten the lineup, like I could see that kid all of a sudden playing top four minutes. That's how good that's how fast he is. And it's all about the speed at when it's best on best. We saw that in four nations. So with, so that, Himmaboushard, it's like, what are we talking about here? And I'm an Edmonton guy in the way that the season not only started, but you thought maybe they'd get that out of their system, but I still feel like it's, I mean, haven't they given up five goals and back to back game the oil? Well, they gave up seven last night. They're hard. Oh, wow. They're truly horrible. Impostions like trying to give it to me. And I took it. He's like, are you worried? And I was like, yeah, this is the first time it's like something, something is so off with this team. It's, it's, it's pathetic. Going back to the Olympic conversation and obviously this, it's going to be ongoing, ongoing, especially like will or will Bidadd not make it. And with those conversations, we have to have opinions about it. And I went on with the Chicago guys and they said, you think Bidadd's making the Olympic team? I said, well, like, I just, you look at the depth that center ice. And then after all these comments and they, they listened to the podcast, now people are saying, I think you're fucking crazy. Chicago fans, I think you're fucking crazy. You're telling me Bidadd doesn't deserve not only 10, he not like, they think he can play wing for sure. That's a non-negotiable. They're like, he can play wing over. They dropped Mark Stone's name. They think I'm crazy. If I don't see Bidadd on the wing above Mark Stone. And then Tom Wilson was another name that came up. Those are where I, where I just, there's a level of delusion with some of these people that they think that, you know, because of the year he's having all of a sudden that he played wing at world juniors or even maybe world championships a few years ago. If that even, if that even happened, you can't compare playing in the Olympics on the wing to maybe playing a little bit at world championship or playing world juniors on the wing. We're talking about a different world. And if you think that if Bidadd just all of a sudden moved over to wing, he's a more valuable winger than Tom Wilson, you're out of your fucking mind, buddy. We're talking about a guy who can score 30 goals, run you through the end wall, penalty kill. And he's been in every single situation in any big game you can imagine as a fucking winger, including a guy who is in and out of the lineup, Mark Stone. I know he's dealt with a lot of injury, but if you're playing a gold medal game for team Canada, I think that he is going into that knowing and having experienced every big game moment a hockey player can have. So you really can't compare the two and don't disparage if you're a fucking Blackhawks man. Don't disparage Mark Stone and Tom Wilson thinking that because of the year Bidadd's had so far, he deserves to play wing above those guys for any fucking reason. Am I crazy? No, the only thing you do, the only thing you left out is for those fans to suck a fart out of your ass. Suck a fucking and they're building a pinball on my back and eat the pus for fucks. And they're building a team to win. I know it's not an all-star team. It's not who's playing the best at this time. It's who's going to help us win a gold medal. Like you said, Mark Stone, he's proven it. He can play on your first line. He can play on the fourth line. Tom Wilson, who you said it last year for the four nations, he should have been on that team. I couldn't agree more. If I was on team USA, I would much rather play against Bidadd than Tom Wilson. So it's like you're building a team to win. You can't have every guy being a top line guy because there's four lines at the end of the day. Yeah. And Tuesday night was pretty special though in Bidadd and Celebrini, both getting hat tricks. It's awesome. And the Celebrini stat that came out after that he has 30 points in his team's first 20 games of the season. The only other people to do that as teenagers were Wayne Gretzky and Sidney Crosby. It's like, all right, it keeps getting a little crazier. Now Lemieux did it in 20 games as a as a teenager, but he had missed seven games. So it wasn't the first 20 games of the year for the team. I still think that counts. So either way, all right. So you added Mario to a list with Sid and Gretzky for Celebrini. And then what was cool is after they finally had their Player of the Game Award come in and every team, you know, some teams have the firehats or whatever. They had an enormous shark tooth necklace that goes around. You have to do the interview shirtless. Ryan Reeves made that rule. Correct. So Celebrini comes out with the big, the big necklace around. He's got no shirt on. And he said, yeah, this is Revo making me do this. So kind of nice. Revo's bringing that along. Now, Revo knows he's got the body to show off to the camera. I would say if I somehow get a Player of the Game, I don't care. You guys could send me down to the minors. I'd rather that. Wow. No shirt on in front of the camera. And he's trying to hook up Celebrini and Smith with like runway models. Yeah. I don't know how much help those guys need with that. Well, I think they're going to level up doing shirtless. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That won't hurt them. And, and apparently at the Badard Hatcher game, Don Sweeney was there. So I hope he makes the fucking. No, I know. I know. I'm just saying, like, I've talked to people that I trust their opinion way above my, I said, what do you think the percentage is? And they're saying 20 to 25%. I mean, with a few injuries here and there, sure. I, you know, you could bring them as that extra. But as I said, if Mark Stone and Tom Wilson are healthy, I just simply don't see him starting the tournament on the wing as opposed to those guys, because you think that he's more skilled than they are. Like I just don't, you got enough skill. That's it. You got enough skill on that team. And like right now, do you have Suzuki playing center ice position ahead of Connor Badard at the Olympics? I would. If it's third line, yeah, for sure. Okay. It's not, it would be fourth line because it's Crosby, McDavid, McKinnon, unless you put one of those guys on the wing. And if you do, I mean, Shifley, he plays center, correct? I have no idea. I think so. I'm pretty sure Shifley's a centerman. He in, he in the case of the Olympics would probably have to play wing if, but I would also, I would trust him more in that center role. I feel like he's a guy who might have even gotten snubbed off that team. And then it's had another amazing start to where I think that Shifley's my guy before I'm putting Badard in at center ice. I think if you're a Chicago fan, just be happy that he's put on this show this early this year to be in the conversation to be on the team and props to him for doing it. And he's going to be on plenty of more Olympic teams. If he's not on this one, which he's making the case that he could respect the fan base though for really wanting their guy on team Canada. I think they're going full on tilt murals at the casino. Like I'm getting Badard on team Canada, but you're right. Just to see this step and we've all eaten our words based on last year. Like if I'm a fan of the blackhawks, I'm like, we got a superstar. You're a Dick Rhydon. We got a superstar. The random injuries that are going on guys, the Jack Hughes one you thought would be the craziest we hear involved involving off ice injuries and then the looser Ryan and news comes. I apparently he was burnt at a barbecue accident on the grill. It's like, I don't know what the hell happened. Feel horrible for the guy. I think what somebody said was like the propane was leaking a little bit and then you ignite and then no shit. That's what happened. That's the rumor rumor mill. I'm batting as good as you tell you that one. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. G. G cooked that one up in his brain, but barbecue burns are horrendous. I mean, I'm sure as, as when you guys are playing your pro career, at some point you went to like a burn unit at a hospital. Oh, horrible. Just horrible and the process is getting back. Yeah. And what? Yeah. So it was good news. He didn't stay the night in the hospital. So that's like a very good thing when it comes to burns, but it'll all come down to how like if he's able to have his gear on and stuff. So I don't know where the burns happen. Thank God. I mean, that could have been worse if that is what happened. Dude, that thing blow up in your face. So scary and just weird. Like after the Jack Hughes one at Chicago cut, the fact that's called Chicago cut, we've talked about that. And Pasha had a good point. It's like, there's no better time than Uber eats to come in and get like, I want to do a sponsorship deal with the NHL. Like guys, stop trying to cook for yourselves or cut your own meat up. Just order fish like biz and just use your fork the entire time. But that was crazy. The Panthers and the Rangers released the uniforms. We made that we said that quickly. And I think the Panthers ones are sick. It goes back to their 93 94 year, I think they're like first Jersey, which I kind of like more than their ones now. And they got the stripes in the I think the socks or maybe the Jersey, but it's a good look. Now, and then the Rangers come out and I saw the Rangers with the JT Miller picture. This picture next to G's picture. I don't know which one's worse. He looks like he's being forced to take this boy. That's what he took that picture before he went out for that shift. He was so disgusting. It was during the game. The shift guys, what the hell was that? Control or not? What the hell was that shift? It looked very, very bizarre to see like the captain literally just be like, what? The controller died. That's exactly what happened. But it was a little battle on the wall and he's like, Oh, whatever. And then he's just moseying back and they score. It was like, what the hell's going on here? So turned it over at the far blue also to for it to come back. That's how that play started. How it started and came back to his end. And you know, whatever who maybe if you watch the clip again, maybe it was a Ben Adjad who fumbled it and he actually made the good play. But either way it was turned over at the far blue. And yeah, some, some frustration from, and you know what, man, like we've seen some instances of bad body language, you know, whether it was him battling with PD or teammates on the bench in Vancouver and you know, he runs hot. Don't know what, what made him kind of shut the shut it all down there. But it's just a tough look when you're, you're the captain of the team and that happens, right? How do you feel about it? The only thing is I don't think he would have been able to catch the guy. I don't think he would have had anything to do with helping him get a not score, but it just looks so body language. It's just like if he does too hard, which I'm sure looking back, you'd be like, okay, just throw the charity two strides at it. But yeah, it was definitely wasn't a good look, but he's also one of those guys too. He'll go out the next game and get it. Right. So and also it's like that's something where he could be so disgusted about his turnover or like not getting that puck on the wall. So it's, it's, it's more just like, I'm not going to catch him. I'm so mad right now. It just looks, it looks horrific. But I do think that we all, at least I do, I owe an apology probably to Elias Pedersen. And that's like, but kind of the thing you see online that Vancouver picked the right guy, but in terms of his game, he's leading the league and block shots for forwards or maybe the entire league. That was as of the other day. He's lighting it up the past few games offensively. He's looked really good. And we kind of wrote him off a little bit and talked about maybe never getting that hundred point Pedersen player back, but he's looked awesome. So as a podcast who's given him a hard time, I think we should at least speak up. I mean, I've, I, I, I repeatedly said, I, I, you, there's, there was little to no dog in him. He was coming to the rink. It seemed like his life was, was miserable even after signing that big ticket. And yeah, maybe that partly did have to do with, with the battle going on internally in that locker room, but even with the lack of, of offense and guys surrounding them, and that's no disrespect to the guys they have. I think he has not been the same player since Horvath left. And they're obviously not as good as they were the year that they went to the second round with talk, but he's doing all the little intangibles. And even at the start of the year, when he wasn't getting points, I, I made sure to say, like, this guy's laying out and trying and blocking multiple shots and shifts to try to help close games out, even when he's not on the score sheet. So I don't know if, if with a few more skill guys around him, he can get back to that hundred point mark. But I think his game, what his game's saying now is he can be a point per game player and get it done at both ends of the ice and, and be that, you know, live up to that money that he's making. That's it, right? 11 and a half. And Bo Horvath is lighting it up by the way. Like he's having a sick season right now for the Islanders, but I think we had little rangers talk. I meant to throw it over to Avery before. I do want to remind everyone, we made an enormous mistake where we kind of discussed so many different things. We forgot to talk about Larry Brooks. So we have a video sent from Avery after with his favorite Larry Brooks story. So when you don't hear that in the interview, at least no, we do have him discussing Larry Brooks and, and his relationship with him. So right now, Sean Avery. 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You were great. She was great. She's stunning, isn't she? Beautiful. How did Pasha get that? Under his parents' bridge? No, no, no, no. Can I tell you something? What a man, Pasha. I know he allowed, he directed, she was rubbing your chest. Well, I so I don't even believe they'd been on a date at that point. So that's why Pasha is dating her now. He was jealous of her. One date, one day, one date. And then he talked her into doing that. And then obviously he can trust her with his one of his closest friends. And we kept it professional. And you know, I might have been half hard, but I might have been half hard the whole time. Can you read for a bit? I want to hear the real story. Let's just say the product is working, but wait till dinner, guys. I'll tell you what really happened. But he put that whole thing together, Pasha. It was really, really high level. He's the best. It was great. Why didn't Felix keep it going and you would use a new girl each month and roll it into a month? Because I think I think I think row, row swipes and pills came in and they swooped in. So we got, they got cock blocked. Oh, no pun intended. Oh, that's the pen I hit for Mavs. That's the creativity coming out. Wait, Yann said that, did you start dating someone around that time? No, no, no, I've been on waivers for about oh, right. Did you do that while dating? My dog just asked Yanns about it. She took the dog. She gets every dog you ever own taken by girls. Bad. It's kind of nice. Yeah. Karma. But I still miss his screensaver though. So it's like, that's how we get. And then you need to go. I'm still close with my exes. Like I'm not, there's never any animosity. And he's the best Lloyd. And I get to go see him like once every couple of weeks. Like I just did the other day. Every other Sunday. He goes fucking. Oh, wow. When you pull into the, you get to pick him up from school. I get one hour visit. And it's supervised with a dog trainer. Other dogs. Seesers there. Seeser. Did he get in trouble? Yeah, he got canceled. He only worked with one dog. His dog wasn't real. It was robotic. It was all a sham. But we're not here to talk about my law. My point is on here. He wants to talk. I would like to have been in LA for how many days? I just got here yesterday. Okay. Are you on Raya? Are there dates? Are you doing California dates on Raya? Does California is I would say the Mecca of Raya. Really? Well, you're not on it? No, no, no, no. No, no, I'm not. Of course not. Well, you probably have an easier job or easier time maybe lining up dates with a track. I would never be on one of those. And like that's like a, you like the cheese. Well, well, you would just like to approach a woman and speak to her. I, you know, it's like, that's a big problem nowadays. Well, I still do that. No, no, we were talking about this. You know, when was the last time you met a girl out? Yeah, but that's the thing is like, if I go out there, there would be a dog going out. But he last time we went out together was at Chicago at the fucking steakhouse. And then one of them dragged me out. That's it. That's an in person meeting. But I don't go out. I go to fucking Houston's. That's it. I have no social life. I don't go to bars. I don't go to clubs. I don't drink anymore. Right. I, I, but you don't have to meet a woman drunk. No, right. Like, maybe I'll start doing Pilates classes. We should go tomorrow. You mentioned that you go over springs. Is that where you'll, yeah, you'll meet somebody in there. Okay. Yeah, you like those workouts. So I've started mixing in a little bit of Matt Pilates, not on the reformer. Okay. That's what I was going to say. No, no, no, no. Reformers kind of suck. I don't, I'm not, they do. They suck. Well, it's all like tiny movements on the reformers, right? ours is hot. It's a hot room, hot Pilates. So is it you're in a plank position a lot with a lot of planks? Put a, you remember those bands? Oh yeah. Put a band or doing them this morning. I got the bands going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This one's a little different exercise. I'm, I got the ball going over the head while I extend one foot out with the bander on the feet. You know, just trying to get that core in a little bit. You guys or your, what's this here? Your TFL slash, uh, so, uh, like, you're five S one. No, not all five S one hip flexors. Like, it's good to get them strengthened. Yeah. Actually, the girl that, uh, owns the Pilates studio, Silver Springs, she's from Toronto. It is incredible. You're, you're, you're, you're gasping for air. It's so hot. What's that? What's that a class out here? Probably pretty pricey. I pay, uh, I pay the unlimited. So it's like monthly fee. Yeah. Yeah. 400 a month. I think. What do you make? What do you make of this? I went to a place in Vancouver this summer. It was a workout class. I bought a 10 pack. Yeah. Guess how much time I got to use it. Like how, how, what's the expiry date on a 10 pack? Well, it should be at least six months. Was it one month? One month. What do you think of that, Sean? But he tried to get a refund. Well, no, no, no, no. I thought you said you did. No, what happened was is I bought a 10 pack. Okay. So I ended up, I went a couple, like solos last summer and then I bought the 10 pack at the end of last summer. So I think I might have used like three or four of them. It's a greed. So I called and then like tried to transfer it over. But long story short, I got back and I was like, Oh, I think I still had six left and they're like, Oh, no, like, like they expire after a month. Was this in person? Yeah. So I was kind of like in shock. So I didn't really have a rebuttal. Oh, wow. Yeah. But you bought it at the end when you weren't going to be back for months anyway. So, but, but I was at the cash register and it wasn't all making sense. So she was telling me the number to charge and I'm signing out. And then by the end of it, she's like, Oh yeah, like you have like a month to use it. And I was like, and I'd already been up there so long and it was all processing that I finally ended up just being like, Oh my God, like that. Well, let's say the name. Is it a no, I don't want to do that. Blast them. No, want to know it's not necessarily a bad thing. But like, you know, you could help them. Well, I just wanted to know what you would have said if you were at the pointer, right in their face. You got to put your finger on the cash register and say I'm the lady. I'm saying no, Sean. It's it's a month. I, you know, I think I'd say, okay. All right. I would, I would recommend maybe rethinking this policy right now. Because you know, that's the beauty of social media now is like, you know, everybody has a voice sort of right. Just say who it is. No, you don't want to know it. But I just, it was more about what you would have done in the moment because you're a silly biker. You know, a guy took my parking spot at Starbucks just now. Did you see, I thought you knew the guy, but I, he got out first, you were talking out the window and then you got out and I was like, is that his buddy or is he in like a Shawnee every beef right now? So it doesn't, what are the chances? Yeah, the guy took my spot. I mean, it was so blatant and like the blinker on you were trying to back into it. I was in, it's a small tight parking lot. Anyways, the funny thing is the guy that came out of the spot that was open, he drove by me and he was just like, I deal with them every day. I said, yeah, no, I'm going to be a bigger man on this one. And I just kind of laughed at him. I go, I said, brother, and he just looked at me. And then I just had a good chuckle to myself. You think you're grown up, you're grown up. People are crazy. If you were still living in New York, that would have been a different, different situation. Yeah. And you know what? I'm too early. I saw a video. Did you see I reposted a video of this guy? He's in Canada where he throws things at cars that are speeding in a school zone. I think that's fake though. Are you sure? Yeah. Oh, the one you just posted today where it's a school zone. Yes. Yes. I don't know if it's fake. How hasn't he got murked? Well, that's what I thought because the only person there's a handful of people that would be that insane in the world to do it. I, I, yeah, I should have got in on that earlier. I was too early on the whole thing. The bike lanes thing. Cause now it's hot. I could come at a retirement and really blow it up though. Let's make sure Sean gets credit for being the old guy. You're the OG. Never wrong just early. I was never wrong just early. Never wrong just early. So do you think there's a possibility this guy didn't see you doing that and he was just completely zoned out? Okay. Yes. Because there's a lot of trust fund kids out here. You know, when you wake up in the morning and you don't have to think about surviving life becomes like an interesting place where you just bounce around. It's like a world of Jello and he's a Jello guy. He's a Jello guy. So I need your opinion on what you do. The situation I had yesterday at the airport. So I'm in the little, you know, it's like the Hudson news or whatever. Yep. Which by the way, you know what I just found out? If you want your book in a Hudson news, you have to pay Hudson news. It's big time. It's big time to get in those. You know what I was looking at? They had a couple. It was a story kind of like your book, but it was the girl started stating the quarterback and she does the social media. And this same author had three different books. So obviously that genre is big, but I'm sitting in there and it's all self checkout now, which people don't like. I happen to love self checkout. I think I'm as fast as anyone in the world at self checkout. You don't have to deal with a slow, idiot person working there. Your brain's not fired in the world. We're just hire a fucking worker. Please. I mean, I want to say hi to a person. Thank you, ma'am. Yeah, but I want to get out of there quick. So either way, I had, I got twizzlers, I got cheez-its and I got pistachios and two giant waters. Shout out body armor being sold there. And as I'm checking out, now there's one girl that works in there. Basically, if your self checkout's breaking, like she's there to help and she's kind of just standing around. The manager. She was five foot one. She weighed 84 pounds. She looked like she was 20 years old. And I hear a guy with an Australian accent. And he's like kind of given it to her about the price of tissue paper, you know, the individual packs. And I'm like checking out and he's like, this is ridiculous. And I can't do the Australian accent. But he's like, how is it this expensive? Like this is unbelievable. What a joke on it. And he kept going on and on and on enough to where I pay, do the no receipt every time. And I turn around and I said, hey, she doesn't make the price. Oh, you said that? Yeah, because it was so, it was egregious. Like it wasn't just like, hey, I can't believe the price of this. It was like, this is like two minutes. He's like, and she's like staring at him like this. And he's like, you got a fucking problem. And I was kind of like, well, man, I was like, nah, man, I don't like, I totally was like, yeah, I kind of did. I kind of did have a problem. But now I don't. You do. I don't know. I don't fucking pay mega bucks. I was like, no, we're gonna call Logan Airport. But you know, like she doesn't she doesn't decide how much that Kleenex costs. And I kind of turned to walked away. Like I was like, I don't want to get that my shit pumped. Oh, yeah. Like please don't be on the LA flight. Please. You have a neck like mine. Back at you and your jiu-jitsu, like you're probably like not going anywhere the way I went. Well, no, no, no, no, I think you handled it well. I mean, are you nervous about like a knife or a gun or I just don't airport though. I don't want to fight anybody in a fucking airport. I don't really care. I wanted it all to burden down. So it doesn't really matter. But but how did you feel after I felt like a little like, wow, that guy just kind of like, totally like owned me. But I knew I had done the right thing and like sticking up for this girl who's getting abused when she's just like trying to fix when like the receipt won't print. Somebody asked if I thought you were going to turn around and did make the price. Well, what would you have done, Biz? No, I thought you were going to turn around and just say, Hey, sir, I'll pay for it and like completely diffuse it because it's probably what $2 for what he was going to he had bought it go in the bathroom and take some tissues if you're that worried about. Yeah. You're talking about like a small pack of they got about eight, eight of them in there and he'd bought it and he couldn't get over the price he had to pay to buy it. Australia is something that's such a low cost, but I probably would have would have done exactly what you did. I would have just when he kind of bark back though, that's the problem though is sometimes that's when I amplify. See, I got like, I'll be like, yeah, I got a fucking problem. You're giving it to the girl like she sets the fucking prices. That's how it was. You lean in bag. He's like, I was like, yeah, I was like, hold on, my wife's calling. Nice meeting you dude. Yeah, that's dangerous waters for you. He leans in that heart. So you're you're you're not so you're going after getting bootfucked by the Irish travelers. Like that that is a moment where I'm like, you got to be careful because like, especially in Arizona, like guns, knives, like it's open season there, anywhere in the States, right? But it kind of sparked me to go back to you were talking about the bike lane. When you're an NYC, I think after you're done playing, you got in a street fight, somebody recorded it. I've watched this. How did that one go down? And sorry, are you saying the Sean now you would have diffused that and there would have been never never been a scrap? Yeah, of course, but it's it mirrors the first chapter of the book. Shout out Summer Skate. I was in front of Prince Street Pizza. Shout out Lawrence Longo, Prince Street Pizza. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he would go to the Brookheimer tournaments and wreak havoc. Yeah, you'd be like spearing NHL guys to try to win the Brookheimer to the point where like the players are mad at him. Yeah, yeah, no, they're to make friends. He went hard. One of the greatest Miss Saga reps of all time growing up. No, listen, I would, what were we talking about your fight? Your fight? Oh, the fight. It was in front of the pizza place. Two guys walked by three guys actually walked by they took a shot or said something about Hillary and how hot she was and and low class move. Yeah. And I was I don't know. It was the summertime I was like, probably the season was about to start and I was ready to go. I told him to go home and then I fought three guys and the street. But yeah, you can watch it. It's on it's on YouTube. And it and I fought three guys for real. Like one of the guys got me good. It's who wants to do that? I know, you know, and you get to has definitely had something to do with your not temper but more like the way you're kind of approaching life. I'm I'm playing in the Ranger alumni game this year. I have to put skates on. I haven't skated and you'll still fly out there. Are you announcing your comeback? No, no, no, no, no, our goals. But if you know, Prusty or who knows who somebody wants to to Darius, he's the worst at those. Is Casper bad? He'll run. We did one. It was Rangers Islanders and he fucking buried. It was they had regular not NHL guys playing like they must have won through a sponsor. Oh, no, up like three guys like a businessman. Yeah, guys. I was like, they might even been like Asian might have been like, yeah, whatever the whoever sponsored the whole thing. They want a contest or something. Yeah. And he was blowing people. He wanted to give them the real experience. Cross check in front of the net. One time you cross check the guy in front of the net as the shot came. So, you know, like you fall into it. It was bad. Well, you were just in Michigan at the Detroit Red Wings 100th anniversary. It was incredible. But I only reason thought of this is you were with Chris Draper. The best alumni moment of all time is when drapes and Gary Roberts were almost fought. Yeah. And it was at the big house to a game. Yeah. Outdoor game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, drapes just got his hips redone. So he I said to him, listen, you're compromised right now. Like if I take two hard steps and drop my shoulder and you're going to be in trouble. He said, no, I still got it. I still got it. And he was dead serious. So in this game that you're playing, who are you playing against again? We're playing red and whites. Yeah. And so we're playing it's Rangers against Rangers. Okay, so so there's not going to be any I mean, but what I was saying is if Prosti wants to and I love Prosti, if he wants to fuck around, my hockey fighting has totally changed because I can choke you with your jersey. So I might loop choke you, which is basically pull the outside of your jersey and wrap it around your neck and then hook my hands together and just squeeze the life out of you go to sleep, which is a very, you know, it's a classy way to data whites calling you right after it's fully functional. You can do it and you can do it quick. And it's not, you don't have to be a black belt to know how to do that. You know, you can, I think Sean Thornton did it. It's a clutterbuck. Oh yeah. In a game. Yeah, you could was it not or pick? No, no, that was different. And he put him in that same because he does all that shit too. Oh really put him in a sleeper and he thought he was saying he was like, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. And the rest like, dude, please let go of him. You're going to come. Who was doing that when you were playing? Anybody? Nobody. And by the way, what does the rules say about that? I know, I wonder actually if that, but it's a fight. So you fight, you then really, now it's legal. Yeah, there's nothing in a, in a fight. What can't you do? Oh, God, could you imagine the blow up? Can't elbow? Can't elbow? Can't elbow? Could you imagine a blow up if, if you saw a guy choke a guy out in today's NHL doing that? We're like tapping out. I think people would be like, wow, that was insane. Yeah, right. I think you would make it do anything about it. It would be the most talked about thing for a few days, but I think that it would really spark up the conversation of the haters. Well, BXI had a little bit UFC with that jump punch he'd throw. That changed a little bit. I hadn't seen that before. Yep. Yeah. The problem with it is when you get into the judo style stuff where guys can hit their head. So a judo throw is like, get under the guy's hips a little bit and then you, you can slam them. Yeah. There was a guy who did it in playoffs, like your chat field. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was dangerous. Dirty. Dirty. I don't like, cause it's almost like a slew foot a little bit. It's very much like a hip toss. Right. So if mine is just simple, gentle, we're standing. I got choked out two weeks ago in class by a blue belt and you didn't tap out. I said, you know what? It's funny. We do this like, what's his name? Embrace the, embrace the warm waters. You know, like, like you got to get out of danger sometimes. So I sat into it. I go, Oh, this is kind of okay. It's getting a little warm. You know, I'm cool. And then the next thing I knew, I woke up and they go, everyone's like staring at me and they pick your legs up over your, you get the blood flowing and I was snoring with my eyes open. And, you know, the good thing about it, and one of the guys said, you got a good soul. I go, the whole time I was, all I was thinking about was trying to get Nash World Series tickets. And it felt like an eternity. Felt like, like an hour. So the feeling when the feeling when you would give it this one, you just didn't do that. I just threw it. Yeah. Okay. You want to experience it. I didn't fighting it like, I wasn't fighting it. And I was just like, okay, I'm okay. I'm okay. But with the, with the car, I ordered like once it, it, it just goes, it goes so fast. So that's what I'm saying. If you fought a guy, if I fought a guy now, I would immediately try and dig my, get a hand in on his jersey so that my arm was across his neck. So you have to get behind them. No, no, right in from, from forward, you're facing me. I just get my sleeve in my hand. I get your sleeve. I wrap it. And now I've got something to choke you with. But what about, well, they're teeing off as you're reaching like, you'd almost have to be dodging. You know, because you're so tight. You're gonna, oh yeah, if you're pulling them in. Yes. Yes. Yes. For sure. Did the old bang the back of the head. Now I could also make another rule for you. Well, that's what I'm getting to is think about what we would do if that happened. What would you do? There'd be issues. I mean, we're leading off chicklets that week with it, but that way, if that happens, and you guys are saying that's not okay. I think it's okay. It's a fight. I think it, I think that at that point, I would say, wow, Shawnee, he's out of his mind and he taught this guy or mentioned it and they followed his advice. Now let's start the rule. Let's start it kind of like it was like crazy to see you and Broder's face the way you were. Yeah, but I'm glad it happened. But I'm okay with them saying, like, I can't believe that guy thought of that and he did it in a game and here we are, but there's a rule now. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Detroit alumni week. It was incredible. It was incredible. And one story in particular that stuck with me. Do you know, Chely's just sitting beside me in the sauna. We're in the Motor City Casino. It's like, I don't know, it's in the morning. Okay. And he's like wiping sweat off his forehead. He's, he goes, you know, Gary Batman got me fired from ESPN. I said, no, I didn't know that. What do you mean? He goes, yeah, I'm going to Toronto for Hall of Fame. And he I guess he had just found this out. He had just sort of uncovered this information. Now we remember Chely and the whole thing with Batman during he put a bounty on his head. He said maybe his family should look over their shoulder or something. There was something over the line. It was a wild thing to say. Yeah, it was very wild. Yeah. Where do you sit on that one? Wow. Different time. Different time. You know, Twitter then. No, no, no. But I said, so hold on a second. Gary, why is he allowing you to go and work for TNT? He said he doesn't have his, his thumb on TMT as much as he does ESPN. That was, that was good. That was a, you know, no, I'm saying this, that probably makes sense as the fact I still have a job. Yes. Interesting. I don't know. I kind of, I mean, I feel like he really likes you though. He must. But just in a sense of like, I think it's Kim Jong-Betman. I mean, I guess like saying something about the family during the lockouts not like that's, that's probably worse. Right. But like, but you've had some things. You've said some things. Yeah, I say silly shit. But maybe he understands is a little bit more lighthearted than you should probably get some more security for your family. Well, and also you're good for the game and well, so is he. No, of course. Yeah, he's the best. Yeah. No, of course. But don't you think that so that's very interesting. I think I never heard that. I don't know that. And, and like even just to comment with TNT, like, I don't know, dude, I just fucking, I jump on the zoom calls for one hour a week to go over the show and I show up. I do in the high level stuff. I wouldn't be surprised though, if at both ESPN and TNT, Batman almost has to somewhat approve who's on there. I like when Biz got hired by TNT, I bet you it got across his desk for sure. And then it's dependent on how much the network wants to fight. Yes. If he doesn't agree necessarily. I think went nailed it. And you know, did he know why he fired him or God? Yeah, let's get into that. Well, he wanted to threaten. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Christ. Yeah. But no, because they were Yeah, yeah. They'd already hired him. So right. You'd already done a year. Yeah, that's true. He had done one year at TNT. Then he went to ESPN. And then when the ESPN year was up, ESPN didn't renew him. And now he's back at TNT. Okay. And I think they wanted Oshi. They wanted TJ Oshi to start. Why does he think that or why does he how did he find out or know that that happened? Like I don't know the he wouldn't tell me. But I knew he was so adamant about it that that and I think he needed to talk to someone about it or maybe bounce the idea off because he said I'm going to Toronto for the Hall of Fame stuff and I want to talk to him about this. Yeah. And I said, No, Kelly, I don't, you know, I'm sure it's not that, you know, and it's a better spot for you. He's gonna have more fun with you. Yeah, no, he's I mean, I don't know. Like I said, that story, I have no clue, but he's awesome. And he just like he'll keep getting like the more and more you get more stories out of him. And like, I think it's hard for some guys to be extremely critical. But I feel like he's been like, he's brought some points up where it's like, Dan, yeah, like that's a Hall of Fame defense and sneak it on this guy at a position here. So it's nice to get his, I mean, his credibility, right? So he's, I think he's awesome. And I think he should be there more. I agree. And I want to talk about Bidard. Have you turned the season around for him? I mean, have we discussed? We talked at dinner last night about this and we have on the pod that like, are you the guy that changed Connor Bidard? No, no, the guy that sent him to the drawing board and said, you know, I've got a change and I need to man up. So I would say that, like, I, I usually wait to hear a lot of different opinions and what people might be seeing before I kind of give my own. Like some stuff is obviously silly and like nonsense. And like what I said on TNT, I was speaking from the heart. And I would imagine that people close to him and just even him in general would have eventually figured that out. I just thought that like, it's hard though, because like, I felt like, look, do you think that Sid had a hard time with certain things about making that jump, regardless of the success he was having? Like I feel like the way he spoke to refs, like they brought Wrecky around, right? Oh, that was, Sid would tell you himself, like his first year, the, yeah, the way he talked to refs, maybe like whining a little bit with line mates, like he quickly grew up. Correct. Now, and Sid didn't have the Twitter and the internet his rookie year. It wasn't the same. So when people say, and even when McDavid and Matthews came, it wasn't even like it is now. So Bidard actually had had it worse in terms of like eyeballs and watching every little movement that any up and coming generational player had had. Yes. And when you went at him, it was like, it was all very, it was you were trying to help him the heart. And it was, it was pretty obvious of some of the issues. That's what I would, I think if I was a modern day coach and my best player was doing that, and it was happening a lot, I would have snapped in a video session saying, you're f*****g playing Ponhaki out there. But the coach could have been scared. Right. I don't know what the coach is saying. I'm just saying, well, I've been watching this for a full game on TV. I got to call it out. And it wasn't just the, well, it was the accumulation of a full season. Yes. And, and, you know, trying a scene pass, getting it picked off and then turning around and smacking your stick on the glass. Like, yes, when I was in my immature days, there was times that like, I would have done that. And I just think that the amount, how bad he wanted it with the, maybe the pressure of it all and maybe habits and going from getting 160 to 200 points in junior, where, Oh, you make a bad play. I'll just f*****g literally go grab the puck and make something happen next shift and get it back. And he, I, he was also suffering from burnout because he's one of those kids that, that didn't have an escape. So I think that he just probably went back to the drawing board with his trainers this summer. I think that Blash and him and the organization probably had a good conversation. And I, I credit him so much for the turnaround in the short period of time. And he put the work in and you, I could never fault somebody for wanting it so bad that that was the result of it. I feel like once again, Sid, maybe not to that degree of struggle and they got a hundred points. That's the thing like Sid dominated, but was still showing some of those signs. And I don't think that there was necessarily an issue with him back checking and competing. No, but when you asked, is there, do you think it was you that, which that's what made it go? And I'm not saying it was you, but that did all of a sudden it had way more legs. The story. Yeah. So it was like, he definitely saw that. And that's something where, whether you care or not, he noticed it. But once again, that is from, that is me talking to everybody around the hockey world and people that have way more credibility than me, where at least I had backing on like, Hey, are you seeing this too? Are you seeing this too? Okay. You are. Messier had actually spoke on it like a week or two prior. And then everybody is like, Oh, you're just jumping on the mess train. And it's like, I just fucking showed you the video and told you all these things within a shift. And I, he joked around me this summer because he goes, Oh, you must not have seen the beginning of the shift where I was fucking thrown dimes. So, so when he said that at the gym this summer, I'm like, I love the fact that this kid's like that confident and he knows he's good. And I, I actually think that he will be generational. And I think with you, you saying it too, like you want him to get better. You're not saying it to beat him down. So like you want to see him change his ways and be a better player. Yeah. And like I'm, I'm passionate about team Canada. I'm sure you're going to be right into the Olympics. I want to see the Canadians do well, especially the top end guys. I don't know if he's going to make the Olympic team. I would say you have him on the team. I would say that the team, I think he's 20 to 25% on the no, no, he's not on my team. Celebrini though. Celebrini. Yeah. That kid's an animal. Yeah. You watch a lot of hockey. Celebrini's good. You've been watching a lot of college hockey. Point there's not going to sell. Hold on. First of all, to the Olympics point, I just said it out of sort of, uh, I was, I wasn't digging, but I, I wanted to know. I asked Nick, Nick Lidstrom and Thomas Holmstrom sitting right beside me. I said, why aren't you guys coaching the Swedish Olympic team or GM GM and I said, where's Forestberg? Is he doing anything? They said, no, I said, what, nobody called you guys and even asked if you were interested because they want a gold. What I saw from them and the reaction was like, to me, it seemed like Nick would probably be into coaching the team and Homer on the bench. Assistant or in some capacity. So the Olympics, it's interesting because it's coming upon us, right? It's like, and those coaches of Sweden and Finland and Russia, their national team coaches aren't even coaching a team in their league. Right. It's just that is their job all year for worlds and the year, the Olympic years. So it's kind of crazy that you wouldn't want to have Holmstrom or Lidstrom where if you're meeting two times a week, looking over guys in the NHL, like you'd have those two guys to chat about. Yeah, that is true. Yeah. I was very shocked by that. I thought that, you know, Nick just doesn't want to do it. Right. I would assume they're talking to them, no, and vetting it because like, I, you got to think that like talk is like calling Wayne like, Wayne, what do you think? Like just, just asking, Hey, what are you seeing? And you don't think that they're asking Lidstrom or didn't seem like there was any, no, are those are those. So obviously Lidstrom is, is Forsberg watching the league? Is he, is he on it? I think that he's still, I think from what I got, he's still involved in the game. Yeah. I mean, it's fucking Peter Forsberg. Did you see what, uh, I would just want to have him around exactly. So they, they were just in a speed and they played the game and, um, they swapped Sid signed a stick and Malcolm signed a stick and the message Sid wrote was unbelievable. And then Malcolm just wrote, um, to my idol, like, I'm like, if you're, you're like, if Geno Malcolm saying, Hey, you're my idol, that's how unbelievable for Forsberg. Oh, he was saying, another bad ankle guy. What did say? Same surgeon. What are you doing? We both Carolina. What did Sid write on the stick? I can pull it up. Malcolm just, just to, just wrote to my idol. Like I said, Sid's was very classy. I sent it to the group Keith at home. Um, Sid wrote to Peter. It was an honor to play against you. Thanks for being a great role model. All the best. Sydney, cross. Wow. And then Jen, Malcolm, you are the best handwriting. Wow. So that's just like, if cross being mountain or writing those things, you're like, dude, that's Peter. That's, that's, that's, yeah. So they should be coaching the million basically. I don't think Sweden has a fucking shot at the Olympics. I mean, I don't know. Do they, do they even have, I think that when you talk about, yeah, I think they're in the back end, they don't have the gold tending they used to have. It's best on best. If you go get hot for two, three games, it's yours. Like it's one game. Get to the quarters and get hot. Right. Those are old legs on the back end, headman and Carlson. Yeah. Carl Carlson. So Carl. So I saw Dahlene. I saw Carlson in the, in the, by the dressing room when I was watching a Toronto Pittsburgh. So it was cool. I got to see Sid LaTang. LaTang still looks unbelievable. And Carlson was walking by and he's been playing good. He's been playing well, defensively. And he like made a crack. I think kind of joking what we were talking about at the beginning of last year. And he goes, he goes, ah, fuck, Olympic year, turn on every four years, a business or something like that. And I was like, what a let me play defense. Yeah. Maybe I'll play D once every four years. And just, and obviously, you know, when, when these guys want to turn it on, they could turn it on. So, right. But Carlson versus McCarr is not a, that's not a fair. No, that's not a fair. No one. What about Schaefer? Is he on your team? Yeah. Do you like him? Yeah. How could you not tell? Well, I guess your eighth guy or I'll let him win a fucking job in game one. Yeah. I don't know. I'll tell you who wouldn't be on your team that was in the max is probably Bouchard. I've seen you be like, what is this guy? No, and you know what? Something's going on there. And it's not good. And they got to fix it. Let's speak here. Well, you're just fucking the oilers. I couldn't agree more and burn it to the ground. I guess we were going to say this. But I just saw that before the oilers had bad starts, but there was like the numbers under the hood posh and numbers were all good this year. This bad start. Like I, I don't think they're good. Like I don't, I'm starting to really think there's not going to be like a 15, 15 and two 17 game stretch. Yeah. Like I don't think they're very good. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. The consistency is not there. And if they win games, they have to come from behind and they'll win it and this may make them go on a run that I said this, but there's a lot that you're like, well, no, this is the first you've said of it. There's major problems in that room. Yeah. I don't know the room. I just, I just, I think Leon and Connor are fucking tired and they've got no help. They play way too much. They play way too much. And then if a guy like Bush takes the night off, now you're looking at the back end going, what the fuck is going on back there? Yeah. Like who is there? Yeah. You know, and that, that, that's, that's taxing on guys. And they're going to start putting, it feels like there's a little bit of blame getting thrown around in there or there's some animosity between. And the goal tending has been so bad. And, and I think at this point we talked about last week, like no blocks, like ask the question, have you lost trust in the goal tending? He's just silent for five seconds. I'm pretty sure the whole room at this point, I need a body language expert. I'm pretty sure that the whole room at this point is probably like, we can't get a save. Like we, we don't get saves, right? You know, and that seeps, you know, you've been on teams like at one point when a goalie is just constantly letting in like weak shots and goals that need to be saved. Like the bench is just like, it's like the balloon's just going out and out and Roman check Monic. Roman. Yeah. And first goal. Oh yeah. Yeah. Muffin bad goal. No, they're snipe. It was, yeah, it was fun. I think. What was your first goal? Pittsburgh. Actually, Joe, go to the net hard. Like, uh, yeah, great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Low, bad angle, bank it inside pad. Like, you know how they all do it now? He started out. Maybe maybe pull the tape. Joey Kosher told a funny story. The guys, I'm not going to say who, but some guys, they took me to a strip club when we landed. We played in Pittsburgh. It was an afternoon game. There used to be a strip club in Oh yeah, there was a light club right by the airport. Okay. By way, Commodore told me about this one. And they had a plane that hung inside that you could get up in and the plane would land on the stage and the whole thing. So we went in there and we were celebrating. It was my first NHL goal and we went pretty good and we got out of there somewhat late, but not too late. And the next morning it was all over the news. The FBI went in and raided the place. The only reason they didn't go in earlier is because they saw some of the guys in there and they recognized they were wings fans. They waited for us to leave until they raided the wall. That was cash Patel's early beginning in the FBI. Cash wasn't around on that one. By the way, an Islander fan. No, capitals. No, no, no. Cash Patel. He's an Islander's fan. I thought he was capital. I thought he was. I think he was just following. Oh, the he was with Wayne, I think, wasn't he? Yeah, their buddies. It was in Pasha, St. Islanders. Yeah. Islanders diehard Island. Wow. Like many years. Wow. 15 years. We got we got to be nicer to the Islanders. I saw a funny to shape her could literally get away with murder. He's on the team. We were talking about you guys mentioned Schaefer. There was a tweet to Frankie Barelli that you better just hope and pray that this kid doesn't have an old pair of Toronto Maple Leafs pajamas. Oh, God. Because at some point, should we talk about the Leafs quickly? No, we just need to talk about them from Toronto. Wait, no, let's go to Toronto. We can beat them up. But I really want to hear about this weekend you spent with like Darren McCarty. Well, I told you, I've had to bend it. You've given it to Shani. I tortured Shani for 48 hours. You saw him at the airport, right? We flew from New York together. Like, like, give us a list of guys that were there. Shani Lydstrom Zetterberg, my God, what a wow. He looks stallion. Most interesting in the world. His hair is incredible. What a nice guy. Fuck. Why isn't he coaching? He's probably got a huge call on the team. Yeah, I think he could still play. I don't remember, but probably. Yeah. Holmstrom, Lydstrom, Sergei Federov. You know, the whole weekend, I didn't see Kurt Maltby, which is wild. And I can't believe I didn't see Maltz. Draper, Shanahan, Joey Kosher, Danny Cleary. Cleary is a real beauty. He's blind. Oh, yeah. In one eye, like legally. Yeah. He looks great too. He looks great. He looks great. Yeah, he's an awesome dude, man. Who else was there? Is Eisenman chilling with the guys a little bit? Stevie came down and hung out. Oh, good. Yeah, Stevie had a question. What did he say to you? He was, he wanted to see my photos. He wanted to, not like Babcock weird, you know, he wanted to see, he wanted to see pictures from the Odyssey. He was like geeking out about that. Yeah. Yeah. I told him a few of his players I didn't like. What did he say? Okay, Sean. Yeah, he just kind of laughed. He laughed. Hey, we never talked about mentioning Babcock. How about Thornton calling him Peter Babcock in his hall of fame? That's incredible. It was that was that's on purpose. Million percent. It had to be. He was listing off all of his coaches and then it was a slight like, I don't know. Maybe he, but like, for sure that he did that on purpose. Yeah. They played it. He was the coach of the 2010 team he was on. They won gold. Yeah. So he's listing, you know, he's like, whatever he, all of his coaches, then he's like Peter Babcock and then I gotta get the back just to drive by like a drive. Yeah. He listed 10 coaches. As he said, Mike Babcock, he just called him Peter. But what would that be? I'm going to get to the bottom of it. Inside joke with someone or something. I'm going to get to the bottom. You're going to find that. It was hilarious. Okay. Okay. Good. Sorry, but I enter on that. That's a great story. We're going to find out. That's a hockey mystery right now. Yeah. Who else was there? Peter Babcock. Oh, Mac, Darren McCarty. Mac got me so stoned. Oh my god. The first, and you know, they played the Rangers and I sat behind the Rangers bench and just mean mug sully the whole game. It wasn't a national game. So it was just nobody really saw it. I sat behind the bench. I just mean, isn't it unbelievable you can look in a room and you're going to see Darren McCarty and Steve Iserman next to each other. What a dynamic duo that that speaks everything about the hockey locker room. Oh my god. But you know, Stevie was cutthroat. I mean, Mac talked about it a little bit. Yes. He was, he was cutting. He was cutting. If he said something, you know, the way he can just land any plane anywhere, he's, I would bet against, I wouldn't bet against him. What would he say? What would he say to, and like maybe Holstrom, maybe he's not playing well. Would he say something to him and just carve him up? It would just be, yeah, it would be like, it would just be something that would really hit Homer. Like where the room goes silent. Yes. Yes. It's really, it's tough to, it's tough to, he might reference an old Christmas party. He might say something like, you know, you're still hung over from Christmas because Homer got really after it. You went after it at the Christmas party. He went hard. I don't know. I don't know. But, but everybody listened when Stevie talked. So to see him actually be in a setting where he could let his guard down a little bit and have some fun. It's nice because there's a lot of pressure on those guys. There's a lot of, even Shani's like a totally different, like you can just, he's so, he's approachable. Yeah. You know, and doing that job on that team. But I said to him, you know, I just don't understand how nobody can go in there and fix the Toronto Maple Leafs. And you're not going to fix the Toronto Maple Leafs until you get a dog on that team. And, and who's their dog right now? Who's their Steve Iserman? And the fact that the Toronto Maple Leafs don't have that, that, you know, that major league guy like a Connor McDavid or anything Hughes, any of the Hughes boys, anything, they don't have an identity. That team does not have an identity. You've totally, and say what you will about Mitch. And I knew Mitch was going to go to Vegas and flourish. And certainly with Jack Eichel. I mean, I guess we forgot how good fucking Jack Eichel is. The Four Nations, it was more like, if you don't see Vegas a lot, like you don't understand. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, where's the team now? Where's your team? I just don't know where they're going to go. I hear you. Who's on their back end? You know, who have they, who have they drafted? And that's the same knock I have on the Rangers. If Connor Sheary comes in and makes your team on a PTO, that means you have zero depth. Where's the fucking depth in your organization? If guys are coming in and making the team on PTOs? Well, they've traded, we said on the show, it's 40 draft picks and seven first rounders since Matthew's got there. Is that true? Yeah. So like, and I'm just saying his name because that's when it all began, right? Like it was, it was, so they've traded away their future completely. They haven't got out of the second round and they look worse now than four years ago, like three years ago last year. And it's like, holy shit, like, are we going to, I said, I said, now of like, this thing can have to be like, yeah, worn down. Yeah. Because, and honestly, if Edmonton goes like this, it could be like, all right, like this is in the air, we got to try to like figure this out. I, they're in similar spots without the trips to the finals for the Leafs. Yeah. Yeah. Where I don't know, like Toronto. Yeah. I mean, just thinking of what you had when you had Hyman and Marner and Matthews and Tavares, yeah, they made some mistakes along the way. Like the Codrie move, like that one hurts. That one stings you. You want, like, it's weird because for a while there, we were saying the JT was an overpayment and it kind of was, I guess, at the time, but I would say if you look at the full length of the contract, I would say he earned every goddamn penny. Yeah. I don't have a problem with that. Yeah. Thank God they have them right now. Sure. Right. Right. God, how bad they would be. Yeah. I thought that one was, what was the other one that hurt? And just the over, their window last year and the year before, I think would have been a little bit better if they had better team friendly deals on Matthews and Marner, they could use a little work there. They've never, they've never had that number one D man. And it's not a knock on Riley. Like I think Riley's steady and he's actually performed pretty good. If you look at his playoff numbers, he, he's, but they don't, they don't have that horse. Yeah. Because you can't build a team through free agency. No, no, they should have paid. Honestly, though, Brad Marchand, $12 million to go there to change the, because he's a guy that undersized bring guys in the fight. Like his teams are like right now, the way he's playing with Rocky and they're like, he's a fucking dog and he is exactly what a team like that. So there, there was a tweet that came out and obviously Matthews and offensive numbers are down. Hasn't been scoring as much. And it showed the way that the coaches before Barube would, he would play like 40% of his game against top lions where now it's 50%. Like based on his, I get you. So obviously a more like responsible, like Barkov style role where it's kind of be like some nights, Hey man, you're playing not to get scored on and, and you're shutting down an elite player on the other side and I'm not going to take that risk. And you know, you hope you have the power play and you capitalize there, but the points aren't going to come like they were when you're playing 10% less against way weaker talent. So that's who's the asshole that came out? Because no, honestly, but I agree with you. We had an argument in preseason about, do you think he's that guy? I think that there's maybe a lack of that, that bite and that, that McKinnon, that, that McDavid, Leon's got it. There's, there's something kind of missing there where I want to see him come out of his comfort zone, especially for how big he is. I would love to see him drop the mitts, grab a guy and just start throwing rights. And that I don't know if that is in him yet. And I, and I think, but I think that, you know, you have to believe that a guy like that who wants it so bad will get to the level that he's looking for. Right. But I, it's like, you know what it is? It's like, it's like what Jack Eichel did in that run with Vegas, where you're like, that was, that was his moment. You're like, he'll have that forever where he was that guy. What do you think in Toronto? It's almost like that's just kind of how it is. Like everyone, it's sway. Everyone's wearing. I think that there's a self inflated ego aspect of like how you are basically like you're a, you're a New York Yankee. You're walking in, you're, you're posting, you're walking photos. Like I said this, like I was even giving it to Joe Burrell a little bit when he was walking in a few years ago. Like he was playing well. I think he was having an MVP type season, but the team started out like one in four and he's walking in with like a pink tank top on. And I'm like, ah, like Steve Iserman would never, Crosby would absolutely never. It's the last thing on their mind when walking into the ring, they're thinking about fucking winning that game and being a dog. So not, so like some, sometime I would just be like, fucking show up in a black suit. Yeah. Well, that's an, that's an organizational thing. Right. And that, and I would, I would do that in the summer. I would go to roots and I would say, we're going to make a capsule collection. You're going to give these guys eight options. They got gray flannels. We're going to look like fucking real Madrid when we walk. Yeah. I'm not letting, you know, you don't have to wear suits. Hi. And now there's no, it's a CBA. Now CBA is going to love that roots plug. What? So they can't. CBA is completely no dress code. No, I get that. But I would still say guys, these are the options. Like I know there's no dress code. There's no dress code. But you're wearing this brand. And the league didn't say you couldn't have a beard. Lou said you ain't having a beard. Well, yeah. That type thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can have control. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you, you can't like, it's wild. It's out of control and they look like a bunch of schlubs walking in. They don't even look like a team that has any cohesion. One guy's wearing fucking sweatpants and some wild thing. And the other guy's like in an ill fitting suit. They look like a beer league team away on a tournament. That's what the Leafs look like when they walk into the arena. It's fucking pain. Let me ask you this though. So you wore a short suit to a game, correct? Too early. A never wrong just early. That's your life motto, dude. Next question. No, but I'm saying is no, I'm saying you're talking about this cohesiveness. So are you also kind of calling yourself out too is like, that's why we didn't win and have a win in culture. Well, let's not use me as a fucking archetype for what would set the tone. Well, you know, I think I would love for some of the Leafs to have as much dog and them as you did. I agree. I agree. As is you. I would, I would take you on a fucking team. Yeah. But you, because there's not enough fourth line glue guys that can actually go out there and do something. And that's when I look at like, I'm not saying Sam Carrick, Sam Carrick on the Rangers is not a fourth line guy. I think he's more of a third line guy. If he's a fourth line guy, I need guys that are going to be exactly like him. You have to, because he stood up, he fought the other night. It needs to be a little bit more than Edmundsden or I can't have a six foot eight guy that's not sandpaper. I need some identity on the team. So as far as, yeah, me and the dressing and, but the Leafs are just, it's not good there. I would say right now the way the team looks, I would probably hope for a wild card. I think that they could figure it out to the point where they end up getting like third in their division. I just, they're not getting any younger. They got some guys who are banged up. If the goal tending doesn't sort itself out, then they're going to be looking at a wild card. Who are two of the most exciting teams in the NHL right now? I would say Colorado is in Montreal. Colorado is in a San Jose is a fun team to Colorado's in a league of their own. They're in a league of their own. Really? Oh yeah. It's not even like they're real so fast. It's crazy. It's like you're watching Colorado and then you flip over to Toronto. It's just that that the speed level is that much different. The pointer couldn't keep up with no. So that's why I don't watch too many goals. You need a laser. But to my point is would we say Anaheim at this point has built through the draft? Oh, buddy, they have seven stallions in the same, but they can also do that because they're in Anaheim, not in Toronto, right? They can tank for four or five years and not get the backlash of a Toronto. But that's why you have to have the temperament of a Stevie or somebody who just shuts the door and says, fuck off. Yeah. You know, you know, who's kind of getting praised for that right now is, is remaining patient is Kyle Davidson. I still think that they're behind Anaheim, but they're with the prospects that we're being told they have in like two, three years, they will be Anaheim. Right. So listen, it's always hard to bank on that. But currently I would say that Anaheim is the standard for how you tank it, draft extremely well. Like that Seneki kid, they took 30, even he was fucking surprised and look at the way he's panned out. He had a great pass last night. I think I know over time, right? How do you say it? Seneca? Seneca, I think. And he looks like he's 12, like that kid in five years. Yeah. He's going to be a man. Um, quickly, can we go back though to the Detroit thing? Who else did you get to spend time with? Oh, God, who are you at the Michigan game with? Oh, wow. I'll tell you what, phew, bro, I couldn't walk fucking two feet at that Michigan game. A lot of New Yorkers, I guess a lot of New Yorkers went to go to the University of Michigan. Do you enjoy the college hockey atmosphere? I'll talk about that program a little bit. I think that program's in trouble. Aaron Ward, I went with Aaron Ward. I thought they were like two in the nation. Aren't they? Yeah, they are. They're done. And they split in the nation. They've split game two of the last two weekends. Everyone's splitting in college hockey this year. Why? Because of talent. So good. The CHL kids can come now and every team's getting players. But there was an interesting clip of a Montreal pick, Michael Hague, I think G and another kid that's on Michigan. They grew up playing together in Toronto and they were pounding Wisconsin the first game last weekend. And they're in the box and they're ripping on a guy for being 24 and just like very loud, you know, typical college yelling at each other in the penalty box. But then the next night I think Wisconsin pounded. Well, Michigan, well, University of Michigan will get shit kicked by Wisconsin in a seven game series or a five game series. Well, that doesn't happen. Well, how do they so they play elimination games? It's just one game, one game, one gamers. I don't like Aaron Ward tried to get me up to talk to read. He says, let me let me introduce you to red. What's your problem? I didn't know red baron. So was red wing. I said, I don't want to go meet red baron. So you know what my problem was? I didn't like how they play. I don't like how they play play a straightforward game. Wisconsin's unbelievable. The Finley kid on Wisconsin. Yeah, he's nasty. I like that kids game. I don't know. He's a forward little guy left handed shot. And then number two on Wisconsin. What's that kid's name? He's a good defenseman above Osborne's Saber Shraft pick Saber's pick. Finley's a forward. Finley is a forward. He's a islander Shraft pick. Oh, he's a good player. Yeah. He's a good player. They play a straight ahead game. They look like they have a team with structure and they're going to roll their lines and fucking get on you. Michigan's got a little bit of too much razzle dazzle. Tick tock. Hawkeye. Michigan's got a goalie, though. I think every year in college hockey, we see the team that makes the run in the playoffs is the team with the goalie. They got that I have on a big kid. Remember Michael Meeza came on chiclets and he was talking about him. He's this kids to steal the dress. Okay. Yeah, he's nasty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, what up? What a place. I'll say it. That would be fun. I could coach one of those programs we would fucking dominate. I live on campus. They give you a house. They got everything there. It's a beautiful arena. There's like what? I don't know, 8500, maybe 10,000 people. What would the dress code be? Oh, these kids, well, I went to the hockey house after the game. They would not be allowed to live like that. I don't care. Like it's cool. Ha, I've seen it in the movies, but you guys need, we need fucking order in here. Yeah. Cleaning. Yeah. We need some, you can't, you need to be able to eat. Right. Communally. I want you guys in a living room watching fucking hockey together, not buried in your rooms because it looks like Chernobyl. If you walk outside of it, it's disgusting. So I would have that shit in order and I would have them all living on the same street. Is that how you guys lived? Be a little different. Like it's a city. It's a city campus. We didn't have a hockey house. Okay. So it wasn't really like that. I think that's the best part about Michigan. It's like, I've gone and visited all these schools now and my favorite thing I've said is the Michigan hockey house, the way all the boys, they got that unreal backyard. You all live there? A bunch of them live there. They live near there, but like a lot of schools, they're living in student apartments and they're, this is an unreal house. It's their frat house. They have big bonfires in the backyard. Every party, all the boys come over. They had 10 scooters on the lawn. Like, like electing scooters. Okay. So I'm fine with that, but I want them fucking parked with some order. Yeah. I want you guys to start living like you're supposed to play. I want some sort of organization that carries over. You can do whatever you want, man. You guys want to go wild. You want to, you want to go hard? I got no problem with that, but just like cluttered house means a cluttered mind. Cluttered house means a cluttered mind. We're the same. I wait the baseboards. I vacuum. You clean the kitchen every like hour almost. I know I do the Zamboni on the island because this guy eats like a fucking slob. He's got all the things hitting on the counter. Right. Yeah. Well, that happens. Yeah. But, but it's like, it's like my, you know, that's my home. That's my zen. Yeah. Yeah. You're the same way. No, I get it. Every hanger I have is same color, you know, identical spaces. Yeah. Yeah. Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs wore the same thing every day so that he would have less mental fatigue in the morning. Oh, interesting. Trying to think of what you're wearing. Yeah. What do you think about that? Pasha, do you want to grab a mic and explain my cleaning habits? Okay. Thank you. But, but we really pitched out there, man. I met Kenny Holland. Well, not mad. I know. I've never met him. Oh, at the game. I was running out. So on Saturday night, they did this beautiful thing at Fox Theater in Detroit, which is this incredible theater. I hadn't been in it in 20 years. I mean, the Ilych has restored it. It's like Motown. It's, it's, it's, it's pristine. So they had this whole hockey night theme. So I went to the party, mingled, schmoozed for an hour, and then Wardo, me and Wardo drove to Michigan. It's not that far. I didn't know it was that close. 35 minutes. Thank God I didn't know it was that close when I played there. I know you were young. I thought it was farther for sure than that. I didn't know it was close. 35. And I was not bad. No traffic. Yeah. And, and why did you go again? It was just, I wanted to see Keenan Draper playing college. I didn't want to miss, you know, he's in his last year. That's why I don't want to be too hard on the program. Horkov's kids on the team. He's light it up. He's a young, he's young. He's 64. And he is a beast. Yeah. He's a huge and he's a, he's taller than 64. He's a big boy. He's a big boy. There's another guy has a kid on that team, I think. I think Kyle Dubas drafted Horkov, didn't he? Yeah. I'm a Duby. I'm back on the Duby train. Oh, you are. Yeah. So, so Pitt's good and, and you like it? No, I just, I think that he went off the board and made great coaching hires. And it's like, it seems like the culture is very strong there and everyone's really getting along. So you have to give them credit for that. And some of these young kids look good. Who's the one kid? Kindle. Kindle. He looks great. And they have this Russian goalie that we're being told behind the scenes is like legit going to be one of the best goalies in the league. Really? He's a silly side or two. Murashev, Murashov. And I think he was a third or fourth round pick and apparently he's incredible and he played in Sweden had a shutout. I would buy do the stock right now. Okay. Cause, huh, wow, wow. I know. It's a lot to take in. Finish your other thoughts and being come back to it later. It's a lot to take. No, I'm just wondering. I mean, I, I, I don't know. Stump them. I mean, he, he let me know if you want a membership to the dubious. What did he get? What did he get? What do you mean? What did he bring in? I mean, if you had asked me if Dan Muse was going to come in as a head coach first year and get his fucking team like rolling, I would have said, no, right? You're crazy. Cause I saw Dan Muse on the bench in New York and he never said a word. I have a soft spot for Mike Stuthers and as an, as an assistant. Oh, and sound. I played for the Platers. Yeah. I know Stuthers. I know him not really, but I know he's a hardcore dude. Hardcore. Yes. So he's still bringing that. That's one of the assistants. Great hire by Dan. Rich Clune and Nick Bonino. Bonino, Bonino, Bonino, Bonino. Interesting. Yeah. So it's kind of, so that's interesting because I'm at University of Michigan watching these assistant coaches just stand there. And, and, and so I'm sure Rich Clune, if he's comfortable on that bench, he's talking to guys. Right. I don't think he's on the bench. So he does the eye in the sky, but he's working with the guys on the ice and practice. Oh yeah. I was some of the moves Stuthers is on. He's on the bench. Got the D. Oh, he's, he's banging a stick on the glass in practice. Yeah. He's a bit good. But you see the videos like the Instagram clips of practices, you'll see Rich Clune and Bonino in the background working with the guy on little shit and the right like Bonino figured out how to play in the NHL. It's not like he was this super stark, like he fucking made a nice career for himself. You're right. Figuring it out. Right. So he's helping. And he's also a guy that, you know, he's had his struggles in the past. He's open about it. So I bet you guys would feel comfortable going to younger guys if they're having anything. So I just, that's a great point. I would teeth on him. Huh. Do be is do be stalk is like your theory. I would get on now. Right. Pasha. Interesting. Thanks. Thanks again, Pasha. Okay. Dan Muse played for my dad in high school. I've known Dan Muse my whole life. Really? Yeah. So he did play hockey. He was like a fourth line public high school player. And did he go to college and play? He ended up playing at college, I think. Yeah. Somewhere like a small like a hurry or a coach. Something like that. Yeah. See that I'm okay with. I didn't really know his history. He went from, you know, a weak player say and just so he's like earned everything. Interesting. He was grinded along the way. US national program. Oh, wow. D3 college. Okay. You don't have to buy a lot of it. Just buy a little bit of do be stalk. Okay. But he was also like one of those guys when he played for my dad, my dad would be like, he's going to be a coach. Like, you know what I mean? Like asking questions, like that type of kid. So those guys are, are to me, they get brought into the club as like, you know, a guy that can, like you get a card. You didn't play in the NHL, but you've been living this game and breathing it and you really kind of worked your way into it and study it. And also surround himself with people who have, yep, and delegates and ask questions. Great hires. Speaking of a great guy who's really found like true happiness again, I was talking to Todd Bertuzzi and he's coaching a junior B team in Kitchener. No, it's I got to look at the team. Gee, can you just look up team? They started the season 16 and oh, he said his, his like passion and love for hockey again is unbelievable. He's got a great Cambridge Redhawks. Cambridge Redhawks. GOJHL. Yeah. But like in talking to a guy who was, I mean, for a couple of years, the best power forward in the game, 100 point fight score. And then, you know, what happened and his, his exit from the game and you just lose a passion and like to hear him talk about hockey now after like what's he's doing with kids that probably aren't going to play in the NHL. Right. But it's like, that's a guy who we were saying or clearly saying to him like Bert, who knows, you do this couple of years, you end up moving up, you could be coaching the NHL at some point. I wouldn't not hire one of those guys. Oli Yocanin. I would have Oli Yocanin in a fucking room right now coaching a team. Really? I mean, have you seen Oli Yocanin talk to his team before? Yeah, it was pretty, that one clip that went viral was awesome. It's incredible. And I played with him. He was passionate. I played, we played with him in Phoenix. I love it. He was a passionate guy. Yeah. Bad rap because Florida was never made the play. Yeah. Yeah. But he played hard. He did. He fucking played hard. Tried hard and practice. And like 90 point guy, right? Then he have a brother who was even like slimy or like a, like a, or maybe I'm thinking, no, you're thinking of root too. I'm thinking of root too. Yeah. I played with Yarko and Tuomo was like bad. I'm at that as a calm. He's an assistant in Florida. I just saw him the other day. Who is roots? Oh yeah. Yarko, the one that was a pain in the ass. No, they both number two. Oh, Mo. Tomo was tough. He played for Chicago. Yeah. He played for also who Carolina. Yeah. Carolina. He was tough, dude. Like just a hockey player and then run you from behind. They were. Yeah. Yeah. Which one was the bigger rat? Yarko. Yarko. That's who I played. Right. Right. He was a mean dude. Yes. But his brother was more skilled. His brother was more skilled. Yeah. He was my age growing up playing against team. You want to talk with the Rangers? Yeah. Cause last time you were pretty critical and they've kind of turned it around and also a funny story. Aves was at a Knicks game. Oh God. And he just so happened to be next to Will Borgen, I believe his name is Will Borgen. Yeah. The D-man. D-man for the New York Rangers. And he's there with his girlfriend enjoying a Knicks game. You know, let's take our mind off of hockey and he sits next to Sean Avery at the Knicks game. I just talked to his fucking your. What was the Rangers the whole time? I said, what are you guys doing? What are you doing in practice? Where is it? You know, this is how you got to play. Well, and you brought the pointer out. Fucking poor guy. What a nice kid. Western League kid. Just, you know, handsome, very gracious, handsome. Very handsome. Must have been a rocket. Beautiful girlfriend. And you're in his ear. Just the whole game. The whole game. Because, you know, I don't, what, what, what have they turned around? I mean, I guess they're good on the road. They won one game at home. Best road team in the league. scored seven at home. Best road team in the league. Okay. They beat Nashville at home. Under the hood stats look a lot better. Would you pick them? No. Are they gonna make the playoffs? I think they'll make the playoffs. I would say wild card now. I had him out of the playoffs. Now I'm leaning back. This is so good. Yeah. He's incredible. So good that it's like they can, they can score a couple, one, two goals, couple games and win. And not many teams can do that. And quickies playing great too. Well, he does. Would you think of that the other night? Okay. So let's talk about this. So absolutely love that he did that. So did you see what happened? Absolutely. To Appleton's defense, he was battling and then the clock wore down and he shot that thing probably about a half a second after the buzzer. Some people might say, why are you giving it that much effort that late? Like there's no way they're going to turn around, go score. But I love the response from quickie because that's one of those galvanizing moments where it makes everybody be like, Hey, we need to wake the fuck up and compete harder. If our goalie is the one fucking throwing parts is 40 year old girl, 40 year old goalie after the game. Oh, you think that's going to be a galvanizing moment? I think that that is a, that is a, a, a, a, a, yeah. I think it's a bit of a wake up call and they got Troach back in the lineup and I feel like between him and Miller, they got some dogs in there. And I think that that will overall help wake up the group. I think rent bees hurt right now. Isn't it? Yeah. He's got what a concussion from a fight. Yeah. I don't know what the injury is. He's out for a while as soon as he's available, get him back in the lineup and get five reefs, get rolling with him back in there. That character did a fucking unreal job against Olivier keeping him in there too. You have to, you have to do what the Boston Bruins are doing right now. They're now, they got guys who are built for that in New York. They need to start doing what the guys who are built to do that in Boston are doing. There's a Dora, there's a, no, they need to be like, Basie telling guys, I'm going to fucking kill you every night. It was a great move getting rid of Trent Frederick. I don't like his game right now. I feel bad for him. What's going on with him? He looks like he's in quicksand. Yeah, he's got, I think, one point in like 20 games. So he went out and fought Olivier and he's trying, right? And he got a huge black eye from it. But I know like, if you're hurt, you're hurt. Take yourself out of the lineup. It's an eight year deal too. You're not doing yourself any justice. Seven year deal. Oh really? Yeah. It was like low money to get him his guarantee. Name a player on the Rangers that was drafted by the Rangers Miller, but it doesn't really count because we had to give up for him. Fox. Fox. No, he wasn't. He was out to make it. That's right. Calgary, Carolina. Wow. The goalie. She's Durkin. No, bad drafting and developing. Igor. Yeah. Yeah. So, holy shit. Also, what about? Okay, well, is that a good thing? Was it low? Hold on. Coolie was a fourth rounder, a sixth rounder. Yeah, it was. But so the last thing he was the first overall pick and it's like some years you don't get a superstar first overall. I mean, like, look at the year Edmond got Yakapov and Lafferniere, I think he's a really good NHL player. So his draft, if you redo it right now, because the Rangers were so lucky to win that lottery. Oh, it's not loading for some reason. I love doing the draft, but it's not. It's kind of like bad luck that it wasn't fucking McDavid that year. Yeah. Was that McCards? Hold on. Let's go through it. I pull it up. Gee. Was it McCards year? It won't low Lafferniere's draft year. So we've named how many players we named two players. I don't think it was McCards. Okay. Not a great batting average. How are you going to build a team to win if that's what I'm looking at? All right. So we got, you know, said Conak, Conak, Harry Clinton. So we got Quinton Byfield. You probably rather him right now. Oh, yeah. Byfield. You got Tim Stutl. I just got goosebumps. Quinton Byfield. Imagine him on the road. Yeah. Holy fuck. Like it took him a couple years to figure it out, but he's figured it out. He is a hell of a player. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Who else? You got Tim Stutl next. He's a good game right here. You got Lucas Raymond. He's has a point. You got Lucas Raymond after that. Rather him give me a double on that one. Jake Sanderson fifth. He's a hell of a defense. Wow. That was a good year. Dried still you'd rather him than dried still. Yeah. Alexander Holts. You'd rather him Jack Quinn. You'd rather him. Marco Ross. He's good, but I think Lafferniere's the upper Fetty Anton Lundell. What a pick 12. Fuck and pick. Seth Jarvis is there 13. What a pick. You know, that you're your second, third and fourth are all like nasty. That's a mess. Yeah. It's not well, it wasn't though. A year and a half ago with Laffey, the way that they finished that playoff. Yeah, it wasn't a mess. The kid line. Yeah. He fucking, he was winning games in series. I've seen him win games. He was off series. So where what happened to that guy? You had the conversation. Connor Bedard. I watched Lafferniere go on a fucking run in the playoffs and was an absolute dog. He is a shell of himself right now. Good. And why they haven't built somebody figure out a way to get his game back, to get the edge back in his game because I don't think he's a bust. I'm not ruling him out yet because I've seen him play so fucking well, but where he's at now. And that is probably more to do with Panarin and Mika with the dry hair and maybe some other guys on that. Panarin's been going ham with the, the buzz cut. Gosh, that's hard right now. That's the whole thing, right? I actually shaved it because I went to a barber and I got a tough cut and I heard that. Yeah. Yeah. But then you even tied it in and you didn't even go to another bar. I was like, Oh, we were talking about Panarin struggling and then we were talking about him getting the buzz cut. So I'll just kind of joke around. Oh, that was good. Good. And the fact I had one at my, my DraftKings busy bets. So I was coming off trying to get off the Schneid. If you got a bad haircut that you had to shave, would you go to another barber or have that guy shave it? Uh, no, you would have to go to another barber, right? Of course. He didn't. Did you get a different guy to do it? No, no. You said just take it off. So you sat through with the same guy and yeah, it was tough because I'm like, oh, it was super, it was super. I didn't know these. Yeah. Basically you were like, Hey, this was this bad. Fix me. That guy should have been like, dude, I quit. But that guy should have said no. Wait, did he charge you? But yeah, no, I for two haircuts. I charged you for a second hair cut. No, no, no. He's like, what have been 30, but now it's 16. Tell the truth. No, I paid full pop and I tipped in the 20% but I was in the barber chair at one point with the clippers in my hand shaving my own head. I knew you'd laugh at me. You don't tell us that. Cause I was waiting for the perfect moment. Oh my God. Just give me those. No, that is in. Is that what you said? Yeah. Cause just give me those. Cause at one point, just give me those. I still water my seat here. So I have this. What town? I'm not going to tell me who just like the workout place. What the fuck's his name? Listen, he was having a tough day. He was a great guy. Like learn how to cut hair during cold. We had a great conversation. He did a tutorial. The holiday and express the night before. He's only shaved guys head. So he did a brutal job of fading it like into the top part on the side. And I'm like, Oh God, this is like, oh, and then so then I was like, just, I was like, take it down to like a five, six on top and then we'll see if we can figure it out. So then it got to the point where it's a, Hey, just shave it. But then I think at that point, we'd done it with a five and then he was cleaning up the sides to make it a little smaller and kind of tapered in. And then he started going back over the top, the front with the four, which so he forgot to put the five back on. And so then. And he's got a TV that night. Yeah. So I'm like, my, my, my, my heart rate must be at 300. Oh, you do. It was happening. Yeah. There's mirrors. I go, I go, sir, I go, sir, what clip is that that you just used? And he goes a five or a four or no, he was a five and then, and then he looked at it. He goes, Oh no, a four. And I'm like, yeah, he's like on top. It was supposed to be a five. Like now you could see it's like clearly smaller video. This would be on one up top and a four on the side. So, so I just go, I'm like, shave it. I pay, I thank them and like, I get out of there. And then when I got back to Arizona, I went to my guy and got it redo it again. Yeah. So I have to go three cuts in two days. Wow. Cost him 150 bucks. Wow. But hey, man, he was having a tough day. We were clicking like, New York Rangers were at home in the first five fucking games of the year. And that's, you know, that's it. Yeah. You lose some. Now I'm grateful that I don't have the worst shaved head. So it's not the worst thing in the world. And it also kind of felt good like Panarin and Babrosky do where they just go completely back and start fresh and wait. No, no, no, hold on. You showed the head. You have one of those. Yeah. Sharp head. Yeah. I got sharp. Talk about that again. So bad because I just saw Dylan, my brains deflating. You know what the problem is because I'm not getting enough oxygen up through my nose. Yeah. See, yeah, we're going to fix that. Dr. Doug, he's going to put the balloons up your nose. Yeah. But I knew that that was going to come back up and I had the clippers in my hand and I, and sometimes when I do, he did, he's walking in and seeing a guy cutting his own hair with a barber. Did he help you cut your own hair? He was he was a little left. He was being, he was being cool. And once that guy starts breaking down at the hockey game point. See, I would have gone to a new barber, as I said, I would have not like stick it in his face. Yeah. Oh, thanks. That looks great. Have walked there. The shaver. Yeah. Go anywhere quickly. No, I know. But, but I had a game to go. Like we were doing TNT and it was the afternoon. So I was just panicking. I was panicking. I'm like, ah, and then I'm like, Oh God, now I got to walk into the studio and then everyone's going to be like, Oh, you got haircut. You got haircut. And I'm just like, fuck, I, now I got that to deal with. My anxiety was through the fucking roof. I want everybody to chip pucks in and just go after it. That's all I want. Your coursey rating and all that bullshit. Why don't we have a rating for who chips in the most best chip and hunter gather kind of kind of like kind of like punter stats where if you could place it into an area and then get it back yourself, right? Yeah. I know because that is a part of the game that's missing. I think that when you watch Florida, Yans, they still do it. Lundell, fucking marshy, all those. I believe there is an analytic or a stat that does track who does that the best. Did you just like that? No, I think there is. And also from I thumpings. No, that's why like, I think that most award like, like Hyman Hyman's unreal. Yeah, he's a hound. He's a hound. Lekinen is a hound. There's certain guys where they don't need to dangle you. They're just going to say, I'm going to go put it there. I'm going to get it back and my guys will be set up in position. It be bad because here's what I was thinking on the way over and then we can wrap it up if you guys want. I want to ask you about your LA lifestyle, the acting stuff. We're going to finish with that. What I want to understand is who wants to go in and get the most pucks because when I was playing and you guys were D, you remember that feeling worse when you were getting grinded on by a line and it was just shift after shift. These fucking guys do not stop coming on. Like try to beat me and back pressure on my poke check. Like don't put it in again. Yes. Pivot, take a hit. Pivot. And it's just like exhausting. These are from two guys that played high level NHL games. Is that not the worst type of team to play against? And we played against third, fourth liner. So it was every fucking night. Right. If I didn't not like when they tried to chip it, I tried to knock it down every time. If I missed that, I said, fuck off and then let them get it. Right. And similar to forward Michelle Terrian, all he wanted was from a defenseman was to not get beat to that puck and take an enormous hit getting it. Really? First touch. If you let the guy get it first and then hit him like which people do, he would lose his mind. And if you went back and chipped it D to D and got a concussion, he would hug you. Right. It was like, that is a winner. That is how we're going to win. Right. The one of cigarette. The worst. Yeah. The worst was if there was a little bit of separate. I didn't mind it if you were right on me, but if you were like four or five feet away, you're like, oh God, because if I turn up, I'm getting blown up. If I go around, I'm getting blown up into the glass. Yes. And it's, I mean, I still think about it. So, so why don't we play in waves like that? Why aren't there? Well, the champions do. Yeah. Like Florida does the champions do. And it's like, all right. And when the Bruins won 14 years ago, they did it. And the Kings did it. Yep. And the Black Hawks, I don't think of them as like Kings Bruins Panthers champions, but they had guys. No, it's what do you mean? The Bollins. Oh, yeah. They're sick guys that did it. They knew they were doing every fucking little bit more puck possession. Yes. Much like Colorado when they even Hossa, he'd dump it in. He'd go get it. Vegas, Vegas. They started this whole thing. Yep. They would roll four lines. They're fourth line was even Vancouver when they were humming. They obviously had the Sydney Sadeens and stuff, but like Rafi Tor is coming in. Fuck off. Like Sadeens were incredible. Chipping and chasing. They were, they would come in heavy on you, you know, or there was always a guy on their line that, you know, was coming in from the other side. That's how you have to play. So LA, you like LA. What do you got on Raya fired up for tonight? I thought he meant the Kings. Do you pay extra to swipe? No, like multiple times? No, no, you don't need to. No, but this is the hotbed. So you've had this lined up for a while. Yeah, I, yeah, there's a few that I talked to. I actually have a few girls that I used to see that are here that I like. I always like to read the well. I like to rekindle. I like to rekindle. So my life is give us a day. What's your week like when you wake up? Well, we've been touring schools for the last three weeks, which is a big dick contest. Oh, for Nashor. Yeah. So you got to go in and, you know, private dance. It'll be kindergarten. What's that cost? Kindergarten way too much. You know how many fucking cameos I have to do? I have to make a hundred grand to pay for school. It's like one kid, 60 K. Holy fuck. Yeah. Now, in the garden, they're fucking picking their nose. I mean, they kind of are some of them are. But no, I think you can definitely see the difference between private and public. There's no question. So we've been touring schools. That's a that's a actually Mike Comrie wrote a nice recommendation letter for us for Nash. Billionaires cut. You know, the best. The best. What a player. I'll take an MC on my team. He was a dog because he'll fucking stick. And he was mean and a little bit nasty, scored some big goals. I either do Jiu Jitsu or I do hot Pilates, Matt Pilates. So that's early say eight in the morning, nine. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, the games are early. So four. So I get the pointer stick going at four. Usually I have an audition at 12 or one. By the way, I think a couple times a week you're auditioning. Yeah, three or four. I've emailed Michael Mann, dude, that movie I saw the game. Every single day. I think it was almost three weeks. It's been three weeks. Cold call. What's he directing? They're about to do heat too. Wow. You've never seen fail and Leo. He's never seen heat. Did we talk about that? Yeah, I know. I'll watch it. I'll watch it. Holy fuck. I know I'm on my 16. You gotta tell him it's there will be blood and then oh my God. Just put it put the heat DVD and there will be blood cover. Yes. And he'll put it in. Miles Teller is making a movie called Johnstown Scrap, which is a hockey movie. Oh, interesting. That's clearly based in Johnstown. I've not seen the script yet, but I should I play for Wheeling. I should be in it. I agree. I couldn't agree more. So the heat to Christian Bale love Christian Bale. Yeah. And then him and Leo are going to be like co-stars. I don't think any deals are done. I think there's a lot of names floating around, but I think they're making as he responded to you like Leo is above a reboot. It's not a reboot. It's a it's their live before it's their lives before heat and their lives after heat prequel sequel. Yeah. The combo. Yeah. Has anyone no one's ever done it? Wow. Not really. Sort of like the Godfather two had it. Yes. A little bit where they had prequel sequel. But I mean, I was going to ask you. We we just interviewed Andrew Santino. We were talking about comedians and like seeing a young comedian being like that kid's got it. I saw Crosby. Oh my god, something's different. When you've acted with certain actors, is it so evident on set? Like this guy is so good at his gig. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty set. And it's just all about their mannerisms, the way they present a lot of these kids, though, they were they were on a stage from out of a womb. No, no, no, like Damon, I'll tell you can take Damon as an example. I saw him one specific shot during the Odyssey. We were in Iceland. And it was terrible, terrible conditions. It was raining. It was like the worst conditions you could ever possibly think of. And I saw him do a moment, a little piece of a scene where he tweaked it three times. And it was like he just took a dial and he went like that his voice or his body. And he went like that. And then and then he went like that. Just, you know, a little, a little more weighted on each one. There was something. No, nothing was different. Like something where the naked eye like me, I probably wouldn't notice. Well, you wouldn't notice because you weren't there. So you see the final. Joe, what I'm saying, even if I was there, you would feel it. Are you are you saying you would feel it in the producers not telling him to do it like the best players where they just go out and do it like he's figuring it out himself. They did around and then they redid it and then the adjustments he made in the second time around or what blew you away. The adjustments that he did from the first take to the second take to the third take. And it was discussed like I think there was a brief conversation about maybe a little bit of a tweak. And then I just saw the escalation very quick. How much dialogue are we talking a minute of talking? No, probably like three lines. Wow. Wow. And then maybe did something. Yeah, the weight was like a little bit different in the second line on the second take. And then the third one, it was just that's the difference. And what? Yeah. So it's like the sickest seam pass you've ever seen. You know, when a guy can throw a seam pass and you go just like, oh, my God, it's the difference between getting it picked off or sending a guy on a breakaway. That is that's that's what is the millimeters. What is the thing within film where like directors and star actors like battle? Like is it the directors that are more difficult? Shilabuff. You got to see Megalopolis. You got to see Megadoc, the documentary that they made on the last Coppola movie. Yeah, it's Coppola and Shilabuff and they're battling. Oh, they're battling. Oh, I'd love to see that. Oh, they're battling. And whose fault is it more? Like it was Shia's on this one. Okay, because he's what's it called? Megadoc. It's a documentary that they made on the making of Megalopolis, which is Coppola's last movie that he self-financed. That was a big bomb. But Shia was a fucking nightmare on it. And you know, he pulled John Voight into it a little bit and got but Voight was just trying to keep the trains on the on the track. You got to watch it. I have not been on a set like that yet. So that's okay. So that's very interesting to I guess I've just been lucky or thank God, God hasn't put me on one of those sets yet because maybe I wouldn't have been ready to be in that situation. Now I would just sit back and go, this is like a poisonous side of it. If it happens. Yes. And then there's people picking sides and you're like, this movie's not going to end. Yes. Yes. But to talk about Damon again, like this is a guy that can stand up at the plate and go, he's like an Otani to me. And if you look at Damon right now, and I think he's gonna it's really about to pop off once the Odyssey comes out. Matt Damon has put a fucking hell of a career up on board as an American actor. I mean, living right now, who's had a better career? So many different crews. De Niro. Maybe Tom Cruise. Yeah, he's top five. Yeah. He's Damon hasn't done as many. You know, Cruz has done a lot of Mission Impossible and all you're saying of like high level body of work as far as like range. Yeah. Yeah. Tom. Yeah. I want to say a one trick pony. Look at Damon and in Goodwill hunting and then look at him in foreign what's the part of we bought it. We bought a zoo. The departed. He's this rat. Yeah, the born the born identities and when they changed when they changed him out of the born identities, that was a fucking disaster. Like what are you doing? But Damon turned down heat to even tell you no, she what? Yeah, I'll probably get in trouble for saying that. He got offered heat to and I just don't think, you know, I think he's Matt Damon, he can choose, you know, it doesn't the attraction of being in big movies isn't what drives him. I think he's got to know he's more like he wants a certain water a few more Damon movies that we're not giving enough credit to right now. Matt Damon movies that are phenomenal. Dude, he's interstellar. That was great. Fuck. Yeah, he's back. What about Argo? Oh, the one where the one where the Damon and Argo? No, that's the one where the like it's like a timeline and he's like on the train and meets the girl or the bus and meets the girl. Oh, or speed. No, no, no, no, I know what you're talking about. I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to embarrass myself. It's got a weird title. No, you don't want I'm talking about. Yeah, I think so. My point is that the superstars girl on the train or they don't have to they don't have to tweak their movements and their adjustments. You can feel them. They're more visceral than like a line. Yeah, or an action. Yeah, driven by action. That's how weighted that's how real it is for them at that moment, which I think is just, you know, it mirrors I watched Otani. I watched all those games and like insane. It's the most insane thing I've ever seen. But it's also just a guy that's so dialed in, right? It's like a giant. Like you're seeing a giant to do something. Yeah, did you see the the thing that came out about what he wrote when he was 14? He wanted to be the first overall pick in the Japanese League. And he had seven different things that were going to get him there. And around those seven things, he had six squares that would help him accomplish that part that he needed. It's the most mature, incredible thing. I'll find it. And it's like that is that is why this guy or one of the Japanese or guy. Oh, there's so there's yeah, there's so what's the word I'm look like. Efficient, efficient and like respect by the book and just no dedicated. There's no full dedicated discipline discipline. There's so disciplined, but I'll find this and maybe we can put it on a couple ones we didn't mention. Rounders. Oh, wow. I have that on rounders. You could put your pay this man's whole career. Yeah, this man is money. I alligator blood. I never saw this one, but apparently it was good dogma dog was good. Kevin Smith. That's a big cult. Hey, honestly, probably my favorite Matt Damon movie. Talented Mr. Talented Mr. That one is fucking unreal. I've seen that young, a young Jude Law. Yeah, I think they got nominated for that. Yeah, keep going. Keep going. Um, has he done a sports movie? He's versus Ferrari. He's done some weird ones air air with the MJ. Yeah. Oh, that was good. Yeah. Yeah. Movie. What are the weird ones? This tell me what a weird movie is just like ones that you'd be like, eh, oh, here, get the pointer out. Come on. He was in the talented Mr. really. Yeah. He was in that. I'm looking at a tiny, I'm not shitting on this movie, but you're like, I never saw it. We bought a zoo. We bought a zoo. It was incredible. See your roster. Soundtrack. Good. Good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Happy feet. He was unbelievable. It was huge, bro. I think it made a billion dollars animation movies of all time. Yeah, incredible. The soundtrack lights. Oh, I wasn't familiar with your game. Keep going. Um, um, promised land. I don't know that one. He did the Martian and interstellar, which were two Martians. Great. Uh, what about the monuments men? Monuments men was cool. It was about the Nazis. What about the great wall? Oh, that was a bomb. Okay. What about downsizing? Oh, downsizing was a quirky one. Yeah. Okay. Whatever. Keep going. Let's finish this strong. Um, the last duel last duel. I loved it. It was a Netflix movie. Okay. Scottish King. Maybe I'm just keep going. I'm trying to find the one that I was thinking of. You got to go back to the early stuff. Yeah, like he did. I'll go back. I'll go back. I had a fucking what a run. Yeah. Leesium's in there. That's a sport. Save it. Private Ryan. Everyone was in that. I've set. Oh, we didn't even say saving private Ryan. No, we didn't. He was in Finding Forester. I didn't know what about the legend of bagger Vance. He wasn't even really in saving private Ryan that much though. Oh, we never even talked about the oceans movies. Oh my God. Jesus. Can we end this now? He's a top five or he's a big dog. And good will. Good will hunting number one. One, two, three. What do you think Leo's life's like? Or do you know what it's fucking nuts? Right? I think Leo, by the way, have you seen the new movie? No, I heard it's incredible. It's great. It's great. Leo's the man. What are you talking about? Leo fucking. That's what I mean. He lives life. You know, is Leo missing out a little bit because he doesn't have children? Probably in my opinion. You know, I think that's a thing. How old are you? I'm 40. You got you got a couple years. Yeah. You don't want to have a kid at 50. No, I kind of told myself 45 recently is good. Yeah. It's a good spot. I got to figure out my nose situation first. I said, well, no, you're going to go see Dr. Doug. Yeah, you're going to change the shape of your nose. No, no, no, I'm going to be able to breathe through it. That's all. Yeah, I can fix that one trip to that barber. Maybe maybe it's just hair balloons to himself with the Cairo. And I did say, but favorite Leo movie, favorite Leo movie. Well, hold on. That can be Roback. Last question. No, no, no, no. Favorite move Leo movie. Yeah. The Wolf. There's only one. Oh, I like beaches. All right. Roback. Last question. Use code. Chickle. It's roback.com. 20% off your first purchase through the end of the week. C-H-I-C-L-E-T-S on R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. 20% off polo shirts. Swim trunks more code. Chicklets. Who's your, what are you looking at? The adjustment bureau. I haven't seen it. That's the one I was thinking of. I haven't seen that one either. Yeah. I haven't seen it. 71 on rotten tomatoes. So what director do you want to work with most? Next. Well, Michael Mann, if you're emailing him every day. Yeah. Yeah. What else is in the hopper? Yeah. No, that's the one. Okay. That's the one. If you're going to pick, you know, premier projects, man, I don't know how many more movies he's going to make. I mean, in my opinion, he's the greatest, he's the best living American director. You know, some of his, I mean, he's made some some bangers. Which one? Who's in the insider? With Russell Crowe. That's a great movie. Major movie. That's a great movie. Not Ford versus Ferrari. He did Ferrari with Adam Driver and I don't know. Michael Mann's fucking, he's, you haven't seen heat, dude. I don't, I don't even know. He hasn't seen anything. Yeah, but there's certain, but there's some things that I have seen where that you guys haven't, that are, that are classics. Like what? Have you seen Harold and Mod? Yeah. You've seen that? That's crazy. I don't know if my grandma used to like it. Oh, it's, it's, you know, top 500 movie all the time. Michael Mann did the last of the Mohican. Oh, shit. He did collateral. That's a cloud. That's a Tom Cruise role. Tom Cruise. Public enemies. That was a good one. Good. People liked it though. Wow. So when you, when you're trying out for these roles two, three, four times a week, what are these for? I auditioned this week for scandalous, which is a new Sydney Sweeney movie. She plays Sammy Davis Jr.'s girlfriend because Sammy Davis dated a white girl. And so that was one. So in this movie, how big would your role be? And are you two? I think that one was eight scenes, 16 lines. I was the greasy casino floor boss. Would you be a two above playing certain things? Like if there was like no lines or and you were basing in extra, you'd be okay. I just auditioned for this movie called 21 Down, which is based on a true story about a kid that had Down syndrome. He was a kicker and he scored a touchdown for his college team. And you would be the one who had Down syndrome in it. I don't even think he was kidding. That's the funniest joke. That's how you end the show. Was that a joke? No, it wasn't. It wasn't a joke, but I was going to say it as a joke. Outstanding work. They're not going to have somebody with Down syndrome. They're going to have a Down syndrome kid play the Down syndrome. Of course, Biz. You never saw peanut butter Falcon with Shia LaBuff and a kid. I thought you were going to be the next fucking Gilbert great brother. Oh, I was going to do the thing that you're not allowed to do anymore. Like Ben Stiller and you never go full retard. You never go full retard. Maybe it was tropical thunder. I can't even say that. It's a quote. So hey, Sean Avery, ladies and gentlemen, as always. Yeah, so guys, we forgot to talk about Larry Brooks. I want to tell you a quick Larry Brooks story. The Rangers took me to arbitration one year and before arbitration, I got the brief and I called Larry Brooks and I said, Bruxy, this is terrible what they're saying about me. Here's the brief. Take the brief. I want you to leak it because I want to get the fans behind me and Larry Brooks. 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They have horrible goal tending. They can't score five on five. It's a disaster. What do you say about your team? I think we talked a little bit about the Leafs in the Avery interview and right now, I'm officially on a Leaf strike. I'm not talking about the Leafs. Wow. Wow. Ambassador Jacket done. Until they win three games in a row, I'm not talking about the Toronto Leafs. Okay. All right. I will maybe talk for you at some point then because I love enjoying how they're playing so poorly. Well, they're fucking slow. They're fucking slow. You knew we could. You knew we could. No, I don't. You knew we could. No, they're fucking slow and they need to wake up, call and they need to stop sucking their thumbs. You're playing in the NHL. You're probably the most best treated organization as far as the players are concerned. You got fucking every meal accounted for. You're flying on the nicest plane. You're staying at the nicest hotels. I don't give a flying fuck what the excuse is. Just start winning some goddamn hockey games because if you miss playoffs and you make me look like a fucking idiot this year, three games in a row. You don't even fucking want to know what I'm going to do. I know in Boston, you don't even want to first round pick. Oh my God. And then G's laughing. He's laughing with his pigtails and his big gut. Lesbian G just laughing at you, scissoring with someone that stink. We're now going to throw it over to the empty netter boys. This is Chris and look at this. He's just in his own world. Hey, Chris and Dan Powers, buddies of ours. We met a while ago. They got a good podcast, Empty Netters. So let's throw it over to them right now. They're basically Merle's protector on the road for when Merle's has a few too many pops. Well, most loves being like, oh, the powers brothers dragged me out. It's like, Merle's you were dying to go out and have beers. No, no. You know that leash that some people put around their kids to make sure they don't lose them when they go on walks through like Central Park? That's what the powers have on Merle's when they quote unquote take him out on the town wherever we are. So thank you to the powers brothers for returning him safely every time we're on the road and family shout out to the empty netters for coming on. We're now joined by the empty netter boys. Dan and Chris Powers. A lot of mics here. We're out in your I'm going to shut up the rest of the pod. Yes, huh? In LA. You may know these guys as just the number one schedule release crew in NHL history from this season's LA King schedule. You guys are very tight with the Kings. Yeah, that's your squad. We weaseled our way. Dude, it's I actually feel kind of like a turn cloak with how much we've become tight with them because like someone asked me the other day if the Bruins and the Kings were in a Stanley Cup against each other, who would I root for? And it's probably the Kings now. That's great. I think you're a turn coat. You're a turn coat. Yeah, you said turn cloak. Yeah, but they take care of you. You almost feel like you're part of the team and a coat and a cloak. Well, he's been in LA for a while. He wears a coat. I'm sorry. I thought it was turn coat. I apologize. I shouldn't be chirping a writer. They should give you an ambassador jacket. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, here's the thing. It's like we just have two minutes. You can't you know, we actually talk about this all the time. It's like if you have friends now, it's like I'm not going to root against my friend. Right. Yeah, which is fucked up. Here's my question. Couple of the boys invited. Let's say the Kings win the cup. If invited, do I say yes to going on the parade? 100% to be there. I mean, Grinnelli was legit with the booze eight minutes after they won the cup on home ice in Boston. That was tough. So like this guy, he's the king of, Hey, I'm going to have a good time. Thank you. You said you want to party with the cops. I think everyone's got to have a little little RA in them and just party. If there's a party to be at, you be at that party. Why not? I mean, we do with the pants. Elbow room. Yeah. I didn't touch it though. I didn't touch it. That's true. Yeah. They were like, you want to drink actually. Why? I went for the Kings. Yeah. I went for the Kings. I went for my team. I feel too much like a fraud. Like if I touch it, I'm like, I'm a scumbag. Yeah. It's like, oh, dude. Your Western conference team. Yeah. And if they happen to meet, you're in one. Yeah. We've been out here fucking long enough. That'd be sick. LA's more home than Kingsville would be sick. Crazy. I was going to introduce them as like the biggest brothers hockey podcast, but now the guys got home still now. We got cocked by Yeah. Right to the bottom of the barrel. Brady the other day, he was like, should we like get on, pump the wingman tires? I was like, I don't think you need it. Yeah. That would be a fun collaboration. Brothers versus brothers, man. When did you guys start your pod? We started in 2020. What's funny is it actually started as a fucking Instagram page. Yeah. Like we, it was during COVID, right after COVID, all production in LA was shut down. So like all of our movies and all that shit was like nothing was going. And the Friday beers gang hit us up and they were like, Hey, we read a script that you guys wrote that was about hockey. You clearly know hockey. Can we pay you to make like a Friday beer style Instagram page? So at the beginning, if you go back, it's still on there. It's just all fucking stupid memes and those like Friday beers hero videos. And then the world kind of opened up again. We were talking one day and they were like, I should have a pod. And we straight up said no because of you guys. We were like, honestly, we like chicklets so much. We don't want to just be like a fucking another like, yeah, we were just lucky because we were first and like that shouldn't deter everyone else from doing it because everybody has their different styles, how they view the game, what they want to talk about as part of the game. Like some people want to dive even deeper. There's like people who are like skills coaches who have ones that maybe they're not getting a lot of viewership, but they're breaking down and articulating the game to people who are like, wow, like that's how that all works. So no, the more the merrier and you get to collaborate and do I mean, you guys have been to chicklets cups and brought your fans and no, I think that and especially for hockey, a sport that maybe doesn't get enough recognition or talked about enough, the more the merrier. So it's awesome. You guys do awesome shit. Dude, we thank you, but we always laugh when we get like those DMs and people like you guys, the experts, but and I'm like, I'm fucking idiot. What are you talking about? You guys obviously play growing up and you know, we know the game. We still play still beer. Yeah. Yeah. What's your what's your beer league like? They got to be a couple like celebrities in your games and stuff. Definitely. There's it's you know, it's funny. There's what six teams in the league and in the gold league. It's because there's not that many great play not that we're great. That's the best. We're in the gold league. We're in the top league. This is competitive. It's actually insane. Like I'm broken my rib twice in this league. Hey, guys, take it so fucking serious. Is that the one that Avery pushed the guys legs out? Yes. Yes, sure so he's banned from that. We just interviewed Sean Avery. So nice that this came out. You know, like Tomers played in it. Matt Gilroy plays in it. But then you get some like, Hey, can I tell that Tomer story though? Yeah. Tomer had one of these skates. It was like, wasn't he doing an alumnus? Tomer. Oh, yeah. He was doing some alumni skate or something. I forget what it was, but he hadn't been out a lot recently. So he's like, yo, can I get out? Can I get a Wednesday skate with you guys? Like, dude, absolutely. So he shows up, you know, he gets there early, taping the stick, he's a little nervous, whatever. We're like, you're fine, dude. It's going to be fine. Come on. No, I'm nervous to play, but he's just like, dude, I haven't been out here. I got a little bit of this going on. I'm like, you're fine, dude. He starts and he's like, the feet are moving, crossovers everywhere. And I was like, oh shit, Tomer's flying. Like this is crazy. I can't believe how hard he's going. Yeah. Yeah. Making great plays all over the place. There's a dude in the league who's, you know, he gets under people's skin a lot. He'll give you the lower back. Cross check in front of that. Tomer picks up a puck in, he's playing center, picks up a puck in our D zone, curls hard out of the corner, makes a move past his kid. The kid reaches for the puck, very innocently, tried to get the puck, missed it, stick him between the skates, Tomer trips, immediate hand up, ref penalty. All good. Like literally no issue at all. Turns around and like starts speaking to the kid and the kid's like, fuck you because he gets you. You keep saying kid, this guy's fucking 30 years old. Did he know who Tomer was? No, dude. And bro, okay. Tomer fucking cross checks him like right here, you know, so hard. And the dude's like, yo, and then Tomer drills him again and then starts to drop him. And the ref's like, yo, and I was like, Nate, Nate, Nate. Like literally we're fucking crazy with like we, because all of our boys are looking at us. They're like, oh, cool. Nate talks to NHL guys playing beer league with us. And then they're like, do we have to get this guy to fuck out of here? And we're like, maybe. Did you tell him that that guy was a little bit of a nuisance on the ice? Did he know that? Right after I was like, this guy's a shit stirrer. Don't get into it with him. Oh, he didn't know before. Oh, you put it, you put the, the next you gave him the memory of it. And that's why he snapped. Next year, Tomer falls on the center ice is hacking him in the back and the ref is like, get in the box and then Nate sits on the bench. Doesn't even get in the box. This is my favorite part. Like, the ref goes, because he gave Tomer two for roughing and he goes sit down because they know who he is. And Nate goes, I'm not getting in the penalty box. They refs like Nate. So he was a problem. Oh, he's out of control. Most guys can't turn it off. And in the mission, he was like, boys, I saw red. I don't know what happened. I think he was completely fine after. They do the ice in between people. No, no, we get 60 seconds to say what's going on. Just a really good bump. Six pops quick bump. It actually is way back. So much money. Really? Oh, yeah. I get the dude. The king's practice. Is this at like 10 o'clock at night? Yeah. Those are 1045, baby. You're not going to sleep. Get home at one in the morning. You sit and stare at the ceiling for three hours. Tomer framed his basement all day and then headed over the rink. And he had a quick wick. Tomer's the man. I play with him in Philly. He's the best. He's such a good hang to do. He does the golf tournament with us. We got to get you guys to that, but he's a blast. Oh, I wanted to come this year. What a guy. Yeah. That sounds like a, because you were at like a Ritz this year. We were at Dormey Network Court, Hidden Creek, in Jersey. This is great. Oh, I thought the one in California you were telling me about that. That was the Ritz. Yeah. Half Moon Bay or something. But Dormey was gassed. It's three days. We had to just fucking nonstop all you can eat golf. Yeah, that's my style. Those days are a few and far between now. But I mean, like what you've guys have built out here and like, I mean, you didn't, did you plan on living here? Like, how did that kind of happen? Yeah, dude, we, so we were writing scripts. Yeah. So we were, Chris was in at Duke and I was in Boston and his grad school lined up with my undergrad. And dude, I was a junior, I think in college and I just like hit him up and I was like, Hey, are you like, what are you doing? Because this fucking, you wouldn't guess it. You've been on the road with this degenerate. You guys go hard, man. He, dude, don't want me. You guys go hard. You guys are Merle. I was like, where's Merle's at? Yeah. Merle's can drink. But I mean, oh my God. Fucking Chris goes to Florida again. Well, you went to Duke. Isn't Duke notorious for a party school? Yes. Is it Ivy League? No, it's Southern Ivy. Southern Ivy. You're asking someone who went there? Yeah. Yeah. It's just hard to get into. Yeah. Oh, it is? It's hard. Yeah. Yeah. Incredible. They got a Good La Crosse program and I heard that. Yeah. I heard it's a pretty good drinking culture. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out shooters. Shout out shooters too. Yeah. Ever heard of the basketball team? They do have a Good La Crosse. Oh yeah. They got the basketball. I know why. You know Duke from La Crosse. I know. I know. Head coach. No, coach gang. Yeah. Yeah. Those kids. Yeah. If they were fucking Tommy Izzo, baby. Duke legend. Tommy Izzo. But fuck. So what were you going to school for? Duke. I was getting my master's degree in electrical engineering. Wow. That's what I was getting into. Okay. You got a brain on you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Biomedical engineering degree from Miami. What are you doing? Then an electrical engineering degree from Duke. You're doing a hockey pump. You're doing the same thing. I go. I go. I go. I had a job lined up like a great business job. I went to business school and I was like, I don't want to do this. I want to fucking go to Hollywood and write movies. And he was like, let's do it. Wow. Had you grown up like always wanting to do that? Had you written before? Nope. Didn't know fuck all about it. You just knew he was a guy. If you said, let's do it, he's going to say. 100% that. And it was just like we both just loved movies and storytelling. And that next year, my senior year, his last year of grad school, we wrote a ton of scripts, entered a bunch of competitions. Did you finish your degree? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We do. We. So we we entered a screenwriting competition on the east coast and one. And that was like the false confidence of like, we can do this. Yeah. Is that level out here? Oh, dude, you want to men's you want to men's hockey league tournament? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We want to coach division. Yeah. It was unbelievable. So we take our fancy degrees, light them on fire, say goodbye to our parents and drive to LA. And they were like, Jesus, fucking Christ. Like and our dad when we left was like, I can't help you just so you know. Like if you're doing this, we can't do anything for you. And we're like, we'll be fine. One of the dudes who was on the board of the screenwriting competition was like, you guys are so good. When you get out there, I will help you call me the second you get there. Get some jobs. I'll get you set up. We touched down in LA, call this fucking guy. And he goes, I can't do anything. Like good luck. Got you, bitch. I thought you would have vetted that situation. Yeah. Perfect. So it was like, we just, we got the shittiest jobs we could find. Hey, though, though, when we moved, I'm going to ask an advice from anybody called the school alumni networks. And it's that old generation, right? And one, somebody was like, you know what you do, you go to a studio, pick your favorite studio, you drive onto the lot and you say, I'm not leaving till I get to have a job. Okay. Well, I could either get you 50% of rest rate, but hey, fuck 50% of them. Let me tell you what's 50 and hit. I drive to the Paramount lot and I meet the desk and I go, Hey, how are you doing? They go, you go, good. I'm, I'd like a job. And they go, okay, great. Who, who are you meeting with? And I was like, well, no one yet. I'm just, I would like to have a job here. And I'm not leaving. Yeah. And they're like, no, I understand. But like, who are you? And I'm like, no one, but I'll meet with anyone. And they go like this, Oh, no problem. Hold on one second. Bank security down in two minutes. Escort me out of the studio. Work in security. That was like, ah, great advice. I was hoping it was going to be another 50% of the final answer. God damn it. Killed me. So yeah. So you never called the guy beforehand to fucking be like, hey, Oh, I did. Confirm multiple times. Okay. So yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't believe you're going to fall through it. He was like telling his buddies, watch this. I got these idiots that are going to move on. Showing the text to his friends. Ashen crusher pop. So he's done it to the winner. He's like, what? Yeah. Like, ah, it's like, I don't know if we're fucked. Oh my God. Dude, next thing you know, I'm bartending in a Buffalo Wildwings in Crenshaw. Oh, yeah. In fact, is that a bomb? Dangerous. Oh, well, yes. It sounds like it's in our barraque. So that was the craziest job of all time. Worst job and best job is an absolute fucking party every single day. Three mozzarella. Oh, my God. Oh, go wings on Tuesday. You think me? $3.25 Long Island Ice Teas on Tuesday. Oh, because of course, everyone knows on Tuesday, you want to be gasing long on. Ladies night, Wednesday. Do you mind a little wild wild wild wild wild. Trivia night. My last day at that job, I'm standing behind the bar. It's like a Wednesday. Singing karaoke. Yeah. Cut your own hair. This crackhead walks in. Looks like Ed Norton in fucking American History Acts walks in, sits at the bar. He's got like a trench coat on and nothing else. He's got pants on and he's sitting there and he's rocking back and forth. And he's like, hey, man, Mike, Mike said he could get me a drink, man. Mike's got me a drink. And I'm like, yeah, it's cool. Just tell me who Mike is and I'll get you a drink. And he's like, it's Mike, man. He's over there. And I'm like, all you need to do is point to a guy and I'll go see if he's getting you a drink. And he's like, fucking, hold on, man, hold on. He goes into the bathroom, comes back, drops approximately 37 cents in a sort of change on the bar. And he goes, there you go, man, Mike, I'll do it. Vodka cranberry. And I was like, this is nowhere near enough. And I still don't know who Mike is. You got to get him for it. Yeah. And now I'm like, do I just give this guy a drink so he doesn't kill me? He then proceeds to open his coat, pulls out a disposable shitty BIC razor. And I'm like, fuck's going on here. And then proceeds to dry shave his bald head and gashes himself open like nothing I've ever seen. Of course. He's just dumping blood down his face onto the bar all over the place, not responding at all. He's just sitting there like staring at me, just shaving his head. Did you get him the drink? Dude, I go, hold on one second. Walk out from behind the bar, go into my manager's office. I go, I'm quitting. See you guys later. And you got a guy that goes like, he looks over Mike is the guy that sent you guys. I look at the manager's name tag. He says Mike, he's drinking with the guy on the other side of the bar. You see him? That's that some guy. Mike's actually the guy who was on the board of the screenwriting. Yeah. He's just coming to. Yeah. Got you. Oh, fuck. Like so who do you. So obviously the Kings like who are your other teams? Like what are you liking so far this year in the league? Like let's talk more current NHL. Like what's getting your what's getting your mojo going? Like you guys talk about Olympics on your phone. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, I'm fired up about Olympics. There's a couple. I'll go first. There's a couple that got me fired up. I always loved Sid grow up who didn't, I guess. But yeah. So I always felt some affinity to the penguin just because I wanted to see him succeed because all that pressure, dude. Oh, just to be like, oh my God, he did everything they asked. So I've always liked the penguins. And these last few years has been such a nightmare. That I'm like, trade him. And I know we don't need to get into that, but I just I don't want to see him go out like this. This year has been so crazy because if they're for real, then I'm glad he's staying and it'll be fun to watch him run. But if they fade and end up missing again by a place or two, they weren't bad enough to trade him. Because I'm like, God. Yeah. And they, yeah. Oh, I think he, I think he lasts at least a couple more years. I, I said that this might not be his last Olympics. He's a year older than Brad Marsh. Sean, do you agree with me? I never thought of it. I could see him play for four years. Buddy, these guys have got it. And you guys have got it. You're taking him. I never even thought of it. Like you think you're leaving Sid home from the Olympics? No chance. So like I could see it too. Well, but also like, would you, could you see him playing in five years in the NHL? Well, you could. Five would be the max. You know what I mean? Five more. Yeah. Cause I mean, March, I just signed a six year. I don't see him retiring before Marchie now, where Marchie is going to be one year younger. Jumbo was, Jumbo was 42 maybe? Yeah. 42, 43, I think. I was thinking about this the other day. Yeah. I don't. Other than Sid and we'll see if right. I don't think Russia can fuck. I don't think I don't think is there anyone from the 2014 Olympics that are going to be playing in these games other than Sid, Ovi and Barkov. Well, Ovi's not because of the fuck. That's what that's so saying. I don't know if they're a player or not. Oh, 2014 Carlson had to be on Carlson was on that. That had a ball, Bob, and he'll probably make it. Yep. Some of the Russian guys, right? Bob was on that. Was anyone on 2014 that's still playing that was even in those games? Cause like other than 11 years, do we, do we, right? Do we? Yeah. Good. Good. Anyone else on Canada? March on wasn't on that. So do we as a lock for the team? You think team? I would say this latest injury makes it complicated, but I would be shocked. It's not broken foot, right? It's just not broken. Week or so, two weeks, you know, even if he's not starting in your lineup, he's your, your eighth guy. I just think in what world do you not? They just, they love them so much. If for an Asian, huge, huge. I feel like also like when you're comparing them, a guy like Macar or even like like Harley, he's not there. But I feel like in a big game, he just, the moment's not too big for him. So maybe this, where his skills at, it doesn't really matter. I mean, look at four nation, he was amazing. Yeah. Brady Kutuk, Brady Kutuk running him for the end point every game. But he's also good enough and he's been the guy before, right? But he's good enough where he can be the sixth guy and be happy and play 16 minutes or whatever and still be effective. Or be the eighth and doing helicopter cock in the locker. Right. Yeah. And he's going to have a good time. He will do. He will do. He'll need a golden. He's doing that. 100%. He's doing that. I've been loving the, we, Gene, I were talking a little while ago about the specific, the Atlantic. Remember when we were calling it the Catland? Catland, yeah. And we kept asking like, when is the switch going to happen? And we thought maybe last year. And when you look at it now at Boston's, obviously pulling this Houdini act of God knows how long that's going to last. But seeing Detroit, Montreal, Ottawa, all of a sudden potentially taken over for Tampa, Florida and and the Leafs. The Leafs has been cool to see. You still didn't say Buffalo. Dude, they've been like better. I mean, dude, yeah, it's not. It's a nightmare. It's an absolute nightmare. That team, I think Detroit, Ottawa and and who else did we say? Montreal. Montreal are like way happier where they're at. The Buffalo. We were talking about it last episode. Where is even Buffalo? What do they even say they're doing? New York. Yeah. Is it upstate? Upstate. No, you know what I mean? Like what are they saying in that room? Like what are they building towards? Right. I don't know. It's it's devastating. They're in trouble. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone else is just doing a better job. And it's like even the three teams that you mentioned or the opposite of the teams you mentioned. So like Toronto, Tampa and Florida, they could actually be the top three in the division by the time the year ends, right? So it's kind of the parodies there. The flip is coming, but fuck, it might take another two years. Yeah. Like I don't think I think Florida, they're going to get healthy. They're going to start humming here. Correct. But do you think Toronto, I think Toronto and Florida all make it. I think Toronto is in trouble. But I, yes, I think they may. They all make it. Yes. Yes. I also, but I also feel like New York, New York is going to make it now. But Ranger. Yeah. But I think it, I think are all of our emotions now because we're so tapped into our phone, they're going to change week to week. Yeah. It's just like that's the parody now. And I mean, fuck it. Everyone, the roof's burning in Toronto. There are four, four points on the bottom of the division. Like Boston's the top of the Atlantic right now. And if you're, they're not the best team in the right. Yeah. Just come on. Yeah. I'm not ready to hit the panic button yet, but I think that where the league's at now, we're through kind of the, I want to say the boring part of the year, but everyone's neck and neck and it's kind of, it's kind of nice. I think our league, I think our league and our games in a great place. Oh, the best. I don't think though they need, with all the injuries in a condensed year like this, they shouldn't go to 84 games. Great. And, and they shouldn't expand the league. The owners are going to get greedy and they want the money and I get it. But the product I feel is maybe a tad watered down. Let the quality of players and the quality of play get better and then do it. Like wait five, seven years to do it. Cause I think that the growth in the States and all these big markets, like, you know, hockey, hockey in Florida, like all these guys who retire there, like there's going to be studs coming up more and more over the next, look at Horkov's kid. So that's kind of my, my opinion on, on the state of the game. I kind of rambled there, but that's. What about for LA, like this Copa tar last season? So like Sid, I think in Malcom, they get, or the exchange jerseys. Yeah. Yeah. Washington with OV. Like if you've gotten to know him at all the way people speak around, we got to interview him last year. He's just a man. And like you see the respect that all these guys have for him when he still never became like a true household name to non hockey. No, you're right. Die hard. You're right. I think I always hated, you know, being a Berger on guy when they talked about the Selkies and for such a long period, it was those two, right? Like they were battling and people always bring up the West Coast bias thing of like, no one gives a shit about hockey and in LA when it comes to voting and stuff like that. And I don't buy that fully, but I do think it's true with him. I think it's like, you cannot really describe how good he is and how good of a person he is. I've never seen anything like how good of a person that guy is. It's fucking remarkable. The way he has time for every single person in the room when he did his retirement announcement we're in this little meeting room here in LA. He stood in there for an hour and a half and talk to every single person in that room. And it's like you then see stuff to� shoulder and I don't think people realize how much it takes. No question. And it's like, when he's going up to Canada, they play Montreal, Toronto. He's like sending a video of him and his kid, Jacob playing on the Bell Center ice. And he's like, this is the greatest moment of my life. And I'm like, that fact that's absolutely- He said that was his favorite rank to play. Yeah, yeah. And I'm just like, what a fucking good dude. It's unbelievable. Dude, you know what else I'll say about him? That Morales told me about Sid that you can speak to, I'm sure. It was, I think it must have been at Four Nations, but it was like one morning Sid and McKinnon are out on the ice at 7 a.m. And then the next night, Sid's out with the boys. And Morales was like, Sid, and you guys obviously know Sid hangs, but he said a cool thing to me where he's like, Sid knows when the boys need him to go. You know what I mean? Like some nights it's like, hey, Sid, just don't be a robot. And I'd beat like, come hang with us because we just need a team hang. And Kopey does that so well. Like he's not out all the time. It's like, every time we're out in the Kings of a Go Night, Kopey's out. He knows when it's a boy's night. But it's like, when it's time and the team needs a thing, he's there and going, you know, not like, yeah. And they love him so much for that. You can tell. That makes sense. I mean, he's just done it right the whole time. You ever play on an All Star game with him or anything, Yance? I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure. Yance played in the worst All Star games. Three worst. San Jose, Ottawa, Carolina. Three worst, wow. Yeah. That's a title. Three more than you. No, I got two in the coast. Oh, three more than you. I can't imagine those were a great place. I did. Where was the one we did? Oh, actually, Boyzie, Idaho, which might be the best of those. My brother was in that one. He's a cop. And then the next year I was, what was the other one? The team near San Francisco. It's in the A now. Is it not Bakersfield? The other one. San Diego. Is it an A-H-L team? No. No, it's near. It's like two hours away. I'm drawing a blank. I think it was where the Calgary Flames farm team was. Abbotsford. No, they moved. Anyway, we can move on. No, it's in Canada. I have no idea. Yeah, Abbotsford's in Canada. I think that's the Canucks farm team now, or maybe it's Calgary's now, but. Oh, shit. You guys got one episode a week? Two. Two? Two episodes a week. And then just all the other bullshit in between. What are you guys doing for Scripps now? Like, what's the next play with like a show? Have you sold one? Yeah, yeah, we've got two, actually, that we just sold, which is really exciting. What are they about? So I can tell you more off air, but one of them actually, one is a so Mattel made Barbie and they're doing all these like fucking they're blowing up the whole like Mattel toy thing now. So we met with a few of the execs there. They sent us a catalog of like all their toys and me and this psychopath go through this catalog. We find this toy. Literally, it's like a plastic toy from the 70s. And we just kind of like came up with this story that's like this cool kind of like sim. It's like an Ocean's Eleven type movie. It's like a heist kind of like drive and action movie. And everything we've sold before, everything we've worked on before is usually like pretty indie, like kind of like funny drama type stuff. And the first time we pitched this idea, they were like, we meet with them. We get this amazing director who just did the last Fast and the Furious movie. And they're like, OK, this is real. This is like way too big. This is huge. And Chris is like, all right, it's the first time I've ever heard that before because like everything we've ever pitched is like a five million, seven million dollar movie. And that's what they cost to make. Yeah. Well, the ship we've done. Yeah. And this one's like 200 mil. So they were like, Jesus Christ, guys. Yeah, that's heavy. But it's fucking sick, dude, like going through all the whole things and like thinking about shooting in like New York, Australia, Italy and shit. It's like. Well, it's cool in this. Pretty well, because when you're right, yeah, it's true. So then in this scene, they go to like Montauk and someone will be like, how about Monaco? And I'm like, yeah, Monaco sounds good. Let's go to Monaco. Big, holy fuck. Got a way bigger budget. Yeah, exactly. Like the script world blows up. Have you guys ever done one or any that are like guerrilla style where you could do it for like a hundred grand? And oh, for sure. I mean, there's like what's funny is so much of it is we had a project with some people that will tell you also off air, just like actors and actresses. Who, you know, we had we had this one movie. It was like a Christmas movie. And I think the budget was like 50 million dollars. And when we went through the budget, fucking 44 million of it was to the actors. And we're like, what are we doing here? Yeah, when you look at it like that, it's like you can make a movie for not that much. But especially if you call in favors, like if we made a movie like a small town crime movie in fucking York, Maine, we do it for 50 grand. Because you just like it's like it's all locations. It's all what you're paying the crew. Get grants in some case. Yeah, totally. So you can totally go really shit. Yeah, Vancouver does. Yeah, yeah. It does be see you guys should get like that. You go, dude. Yeah, like all you know, you put yourself out there. So have you guys ever done one of your scripts where you guys are maybe the actors where it's literally cost you nothing? You can set up the cameras like this for sure. I mean, and like mostly short films. Yeah, because like here's the thing. So where do you show them? Like you post on YouTube. Do you like it's a great question? Yeah. And just each other. There's a little bit. There's because they just did LeMask Scots with Barstool. That was a seven episode series. But they funded and put out there, right? So it's on YouTube. Like I don't know if there's like what do you call the the streaming services or something. Yeah, yeah. So it's a very common and funny thing in LA. There are the famous stories you ever seen the movie Whiplash. My style. Great movie. Great. So that was a short film that Damien Chazelle shot. Like Gorilla style made it, raised a ton of money for himself. Friends, they shot a short. It was amazing. Then they made the full feature movie. And it's one of the greatest movies ever made. That is the one in a billion situation. Every fucking dickhead here in LA makes a short film. They'll start a GoFundMe and they'll call their friends and go, hey, give me your money so I can make this short film. It'll be like Whiplash. Uh-huh. And then fucking sucks. Or it doesn't do shit. It doesn't go anywhere. Yeah. But that's the but that's the risk for the pop, though. Like who's the guy who did when he had vote for Pedro? Napoleon, Napoleon Dynamite. I think like that's the it's like it's like a penny stock. If you're going to spend 100 on a movie. Yeah. And that's another success story. Like those are the Indies that Sundance was built on, right? It's like there's 10 billion of them. That's exactly. And what you just said is the correct move. Like what smart, in my opinion, filmmakers or hopeful filmmakers are doing now is putting shit on YouTube. Yeah. It's like you don't need to steal your fucking friends. Yeah. Like if. Yeah. Because if I felt that I wrote a script with my friend that I thought was strong enough and I would just say, let's just try to execute this on our own. Like, yeah, it might not be where you are, where you need it acting wise or script wise or everything, but you got to learn from doing the process over and over and over. Like fucking show me Tarantino's first film. Yeah. Correct. You're right. Yeah. So there are just ways to like chop it up yourself. Yes. Yeah. So the 50, 200 million dollar budgets, those are, I mean, fuck, how many of those are being made a year? Not a lot. Too many, though, because what happened is the industry went like this because they got to get their money back in opening weekend, right? Because after opening weekend, it falls off a cliff. Yeah. And they used to print on DVD sales, too, but they don't get that anymore. So it's like, if I'm not making my money back in theaters, we're dead. So the two million dollar movies still get made because we'll probably make that back. And the two hundred million dollar movies are made because they're like a comic book or it's like it's intellectual property. And I'll go for the mid range movies back then would hit. Yeah. Fifty million dollar movies now on like an original. I'm like, hey, I'm Chris. I have an idea that's going to cost you 50 million. The studio is like, get fucked to do it. And at one point and at one point they're like, oh, whatever. Yeah. They're like, cool. There were studios with that they made. They made they're not on that. They were like, we make 50 million dollar movies. Yeah. Just they're starting to die. But some people are bringing it back. Yeah, we're trying. Did you guys see the new one with Leo? I still haven't seen it yet. Dude, yeah, I actually watched it last night. No, no, two nights ago. OK. And what do you think? I mean, it's Leo. It's Leo and Benicio Del Toro. It's a fucking blast. The first 45 minutes are a little bit. You're like, what's going on? I watched it on the flight out here. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It to us. Did you battle through the first four? No. What did I say when you walked up? I was 40 minutes in. You said worst show, worst movie I've ever seen. This movie sucks. Yeah. I do the first 40 lives all chaos. No, it was just like slow and just whatever. And then it was a great last hour. It was like three hours with literally the plane. And I was like, motherfucking R.A. I'm like, you like told me this is the best movie of all time. And it got pretty good. Yeah. I wonder what that cost to make. A lot. Yeah. But again, that's that one's going to be because you're paying PTA, you're paying Leo, you're paying Benicio like that was why that. So what would you give it at a 10? Yeah. No, five warthogs. What would you give? Yeah. Oh, five warthogs. 3.9. OK. Wow. So not not worth all the hype that it got. No. Was Leo on real? I think R.A. gave it a five. Leo was great. There was a girl in the beginning of the movie. She goes away and she was incredible. Yeah. Incredible. How many how many warthogs? How many warthogs would you give? There will be blood like 4.9. He gets five warthogs out. I was so scared. You were about to say something. I don't really give a perfect score to any movie, but that's like, OK, that's an incredible movie. Would you let your go? You know, but you know, that's the only movie he's ever seen. No, it's it's it's not. No, OK. It won't. Because I bet you you have told you to watch. I'd say a hundred movies on this guy. And you have. And you go, yeah, I'll watch it. And we just know you. I go right to the next room. And then I go to his room and he's watching. I would. I would. I know, Joe. I would. I would bet that you've never watched a movie fully through with no interruptions. No, I'll do. There will be blood. No. So you've not done it. You're saying you're going to. There would be. No, no, he's done. There will be blood. That's my movie. OK, OK, OK. So I bet you guys have four or five buddies where it's it's their Shawshank. When Shawshank came on, I think a lot of people are like, oh, fuck, I know what I'm doing the next. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shawshanks a little more feel good at the end. There will be blood. It's not a big. But he gave his deaf son. He hates him. It's like this, this, this. It's heavy. Literally beats a man to death with a bowling. Yeah, I mean, it's not exactly like. I mean, I saw him through a mile of shit. And I'm now. I say what's her name. I just thought I haven't seen it. Great. There's actually. Yeah, it's a great movie. Yeah. Now, Biz, we've asked for a watch. He won't watch. He's like, I'll watch it. I'll see it there and I'll say, I'm going with there. We'll be. For the fifth time, I'll watch the last half of there will be blood before I watch it. He is so fucking. He's just like, it's insane how captive. I'm just like this fucking dude, man, is like, how did you do this? Do you see the sorry to interrupt, but he too, with Leo and Christian, yeah. So we were talking with Aves. I don't think he's saying the paperwork hasn't been signed. I think they're trying to the studio is trying to like bait the other guys with the big names. Oh, I'm sure they are. I could only imagine the politics that's going down. I love the inside intel, but what? Sorry, I want to face to act. And I really think he could be an incredible actor. Oh, if they do, there will be blood to. He would be such a good HW. He's in. Yeah, he's the death. The death. It was out. He grew up. I'm I'm HW is fucking actual brother. Yeah, not the fake one who came in. Yeah, yeah. Brother fucking. He murdered that guy. He does know this movie. Yeah. What did he say? Fuck, I forget what he said to like try to tee him up. And he didn't get the reaction. You should get this tree. Isn't it? Remember, he's like, there's the tree. Yeah, he's like describing the house. Yeah. Yeah, we're the. You know this. And then he didn't react and he said it again. And there was no reaction. He's like, this ain't my brother. I'm going to kill him. Yeah. I'm going to. Now he's done. Yeah. The feel good Shawshank rewatched. Yeah. What was what was one or two other movies? I feel like dumb and dumber because at the time I want to say they were playing it over and over on TBS. So that was a movie where when it came on, I was stuck watching. You seen. Yeah. What was those hockey bus rides? Yeah, for sure. Tommy Boy, I've probably seen the most out of any movie. That was always on. I think. Yeah. TBS. Yeah, for sure. That used to be on all the time. But I can't do a movie nowadays with commercials. If you sit down and watch a movie with commercials, you are sick and the great hotel room. Like I know I'm like, yeah, night. If I see a movie, I'm like, oh, that's on. I go to a streaming. Yeah. Yes. Correct. Absolutely. Nightmare when a commercial gets on, you're like, you're fucking kidding me. I like the commercial breaks. Phone time for it. Little phone time. Right at the break. Little take a hit. Dude, but then. Go clean the kitchen. But then they're really blood like seven hours. You know, too long. Yeah. You know what? We should ask Grinnell. What do you want to ask? Outside of Michigan State, who do you think is going to win the national championship in the NCAA? This is a. Well, you guys are. You guys are. You guys are talking now. Disgusting. The college. Are they so good? There's an educated answer. And anyone can say Michigan State. Would you say you watch just as much college as NHL at this point? No, not as much. But I'm. Hard. That's because I can't watch it. My heart wants to say Michigan. But the last after the last two weekends, I'm not. I'm not entirely sure. I love Duluth. I love Duluth this year. I think the plant grows are so good. And what a cool thing. Like you got two brothers on the team leading the country in points right now. No shit. Yeah. They're nasty. And then I'm never going to sleep on Denver. Can't count out. Denver. I can't do it. They still got that goalie. They're so. No, Matt Davis is gone. Are those brothers? Because I feel like Duluth always has old guys. Are they older? One of them's World Junior Age. Yeah, I think Max is yet and Sam is a little bit older. And then they're. I think they think it's the opposite. Is it the other? Yeah, yeah, the other brother, the only other brother in hockey right now. I can't I'm hearing about and is RJ Celebrini. Oh, yeah. Well, you got Luca at Michigan still. Fantillie's brother. Yeah, no, I'm talking about. Vibes guy. I'm talking about like our like Macklin's like, yeah, my brother's very, very. How old is it? Yeah, 14. 14, 15. Yeah, how big is he? He's I don't know, but he wants to do Shattuck and then and then I don't know. It's changed. He went. You laugh at me. I mean, Max says he's better than him. Like that might be a big brother move. I'm saying. But he's like, he's better than me. Like I'm saying at that age. Fucking a. Yeah, right now. He's already laughing about me asking what size he was. He was a big kid, bigger than Matt. I don't know. I don't think he's a 14 year old. It's bigger than much tape on him. He's 14. No, I think it is though. I don't have the meds. He might be the same boy. OK, I don't tune into a live bar to watch the fucking San Diego dollars junior team. Oh, my God. That's why I asked those questions to get you and fucking. Yeah, that's how you get them. That's how you put a quarter on them. Yeah. Yeah. I got one more. OK, here we go. Are the Boston Bruins legit? You made a comment. He said no. He said no. You made the comment before, but do you think they can make the playoffs this year? Yeah, I think they could make the playoffs. I don't think that they're going to go on a run. I just think it's too early in this build. But I I mean, no one has talked shit about Don more than me over the last year. And maybe G. Yeah, I'm up there. You like Sturm? I love Sturm. He's in. He's been incredible. I think he's been incredible. I think the vibes. We always talk about the sharks, especially last year. Like they were the all all century vibes team, the sharks last year. I think Chicago's got some vibes this year. There seem to have more fun. But the Bruins out of nowhere are total vibes team this year. And the post is the man. Boss is the man. But also it's like Sadaura is happy again. Zadorov's a leader out of fucking nowhere. Like just he's old school Bruins. He's not afraid of a mic. To know. He gives you the. Slowly. He's playing hockey. And then I think he's scoring to. Which I did. Yeah, I was afraid wasn't going to happen. And then I just like I mean, I love Minton. I think they for the first time in a long time, Minton. All right, they have young guys who are playing well and being given an opportunity. Where's the where's what's his name? The righty that made the team when he was 18. Luzer. Matt Pogger. How's he doing? Is he in the. Luzer. Maccaboy. Records. He's I mean, I think he's small. He's he's all he's always out of shape. And I that's a tough thing to say. But every time you're watching the guy, he's always gasping. Three years ago, he said he was the savior. He said he was the next creche. Yeah, I said he's the next creche. He already started building his statue. You weren't alone though. I tell people believe in him. I said Marat Kuznidinov last pot is like the best center David Poshna could play with in the NHL. So I'm not the most reliable. So in the entire league, you're a dreamer. I respect you for that. But yeah, no, I don't think they can go. I don't think they can make it. But it's like I think they are sorry. I think they could make it. I don't think they will if you made me pick right now. I mean, we're only 20 or so games in, but it's like everyone in the Atlantic separated by fucking two points. Yeah, that's great. Anything that happens. It's like I remember when Detroit was in playoffs two years ago and they lost six straight games. So that could easily have a lot of dust to them twice in a row. Yeah. Yeah, that's deep. All right, boys, it's great having you in here. Great having you guys on. And we appreciate it, dude. This is your town. Yeah. Thanks for letting us play. Now we're going out to dinner. Chiquinos, I said? Chikoni. Chikoni. Not close enough. Chikoni's is great. But guys, waving us in to the bigs, dude. Oh, yeah. No, we love hanging out with you guys on the road. You're always fucking drinking. You played high school against each other. No. How was Jans? Jans tried to kill a guy. Dude, dude. Let me tell this story. Let me tell this story. Let's see if we can end on this. Actually, I wonder if they won't get pissed. So Jans was as an exit or he's at Cush. Jans snaps in a game and literally two hands, my boy in the head. OK, that sounds like Jans when it was going on. Like early. Do you remember? It was like, it was like, when did Jans stop? Not to pause the story, but like you weren't like that at all in the league. In the NHL when I realized everyone could beat me up. Yeah. OK. Good. Hey, that's good. Good wherewithal to have. You know, everybody, we all knew Jans was, I was saying he's nasty, whatever. So it's like this funny story about among my friends. Like, oh, dude, remember? He was getting talked about in the towns, like all this kid's nasty. Well, you know, we're just like doing the prep. You know who's good and prep. Yeah. Yeah. And he like goes on, makes the show. Yeah. Your team was gross. Our team was. It's like, oh, that's the best team. They get Jans. He's nasty. And then we would all like our crew that was hanging out was like, and then Evan, like Jans, smashed his stick over Evan's head. It was like this fun thing that he had, like our boy Crosby. And we'd always tell the story. And I didn't know Jans yet. So then I'm, you came on our show for the first time whenever that was. And the boys were like, dude, you got to ask him about smashing Crosby over the head. And I'm like, no, I'm not. He didn't probably remember that. So I think, do we do it on camera? No, it was all. It was the best thing ever. So you told the story. And then I didn't remember the story. Oh, yeah. No, he told the story. Just a little slash over the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jans was like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Like I do remember doing that. And then a couple of days later, we're on the group chat with this guy, Evan. And we text Jans and we're like, dude, so funny. Like we're the look at the boys talking about it. And Jans knows. And Jans goes, wait, Evan is Crosby. And we were like, yeah, his name's Evan Crosby. And Jans goes, Jesus Christ, I was at a fucking dinner with this guy like two nights ago. Oh, yeah. I got to apologize to him. He didn't have a dinner with him yucking it up with my buddy. Meanwhile, my boy knows he tried to decapitate him one time. Yes, has no idea. On real. Do you pay for dinner? Probably. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. So good, dude. I was dying. Well, fucking right. Thanks, boys. Thank you so much to the powers, brothers. We appreciate them coming on. Once again, guys, we will be back to you Monday. Thanksgiving week coming up in the state. That's going to be awesome. I can't wait to see my brothers are coming home. Peekin, please. I'm telling you, I laughed the entire time. Donnie does YouTube channel. Check that out for biz support. Support biz. Our guy. I'm blown away by your guys. Like you guys are such supportive teammates. So biz mountain biking. I wish it was a 10 part series of you. I would watch. You were kind of nasty at that. You were incredible. Or they made you look incredible AI. But I would watch you mountain bike for 24 hours. I've had numerous people who when you look at their profiles on Instagram, their mountain bikers, where they're doing that the jumps and shit. Oh, some of these guys are Thomas Grace. Yeah, Thomas Grace is a big mountain biker. But I will probably continue. And there's plenty of unreal paths in Arizona all around. Going to get into it. I'll probably get into it. Yeah. Nice. Always have a camera on please. I'm going to do the body cam. And then next thing, the tour de France. So thank you guys for being supportive teammates. I mean, gee, we got a chicklets you coming out soon. Chicklets you main coming out next week. Next week. So him and fish you always do. I think wonton is going to come on the pod next week too. Wonton will come on and you guys can ask him about me ordering 14 fucking fishes at dinner. And then in our new employee, Luke, aka Nick that we hired. Hey, Luke. That's Nick, but the sandbagger, you know, and if you have any issue with the A.I. DM biz, let him know how much you don't like it and just just just speak your piece and make it clear that you're not a big fan of certain things we do. Just let biz know. He's very, very receptive to all that criticism. And Pasha, great job on that. Everyone check it out. The Bruins. You're a Christmas. Wallston golf club. Thank you again for that. And the breast cancer march is the last week. Last chance to buy at the bar still store. So supporting some women going through a really tough time. It's time for a red eye home. And great trip. You guys are going to love these interviews. Oh, very, very funny stuff. Santino one was a Santino. Doughty's a legend. Luke robotize a comedian. Rob Blake did it all. So thank you for listening. We'll be back to you next week. We're dropping on Thanksgiving so we can record and the editors. We have a very special interview coming out on Thanksgiving with a veteran. We actually, Craig Fitzpatrick that we, I ended up meeting at TNT. So we're really looking forward to it for you guys here in that one. And you showed me the video of him skating. He's blind and he's buzzing around out there. Buzzing around. Awesome. Yeah. It just puts everything in a perspective and we're so grateful for his service and can't wait for you guys to hear that. So a lot coming out on the channels. And just remember, if you have a complaint, just think about sucking a fart out of my asshole first. Thank you so much. Love you guys.