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All right folks on the podcast live in studio, Mr. Vaughn Gittin Jr. What hasn't this guy done? I've known him for 20 years now and I've watched this gentleman go from Formula Drift to Ultra 4 to Offroad to Car Building and now there is an actual factory built dealer sold Ford with his name on it in his RTR brand. It is extremely cool to watch and he's here in studio to talk about it. Vaughn Gittin Jr. is on the Smoking Tire podcast. Let's go. Guys, the Smoking Tire is giving away a 992.1 Turbo S in partnership with Dream Giveaways. We're giving away a $275,000 car with some slick choice mods. The proceeds benefit charity and you don't have to buy any merch. It's a straightforward entry process. So hit the link in the show notes and get entered to win today. I saw you took it to Fat Ice. You think of Bandito there? Dude. So hang on. That's really the thing. Have you ever seen the Manx in person? No. Okay, it's downstairs. It's literally your Bronco is parked right next to it. So you're going to see it. You guys should put it around. It's funny. You know, you know, because you've driven like tons of stuff, you know, like you've driven race cars, you've driven supercars, you've driven off road. Once you've sort of like been through all the normal stuff and it gets weird, doesn't it? Oh yeah. It looks very weird. I was just telling I just I just picked up a 1980 M81 McLaren Mustang. Fuck yeah. And I was just talking about all like the noises and just the 80s experience. And like that's why I feel like the Myers-Manx is just like that raw mechanical just yeah, just that shit. Yeah, just what am I doing with this on the road right now? It's it is a game. You definitely feel the danger for sure. And you but at the same time, it's like for for running run errands for our like for my little 10 mile circle. Yeah, bro. The best thing ever. There's there's nothing right. There's absolutely not sure. It's so sparkly. Yeah, it's it's the sparkliest thing you fucking ever seen. Like it's like driving a fishing lure down the road. It's not like the bass bass boat on it. It's fucking great. It's a 12 layer gel coat. It's deep. Oh, really? Yes. It is. It is a bad like a bass boat. It's a it's a half inch. What do you do? I put a standard paint job on it. No, no. And you should know it's parked right next to your fucking RTR Mysticrome Bronco the Rover, which I love Mysticrome. Bravo. Thank you. All your cars actually come in with good paint. Thank you. We had that green spec three that was good. We have the the gray one right now the battleship gray. Yeah. And then this but the Mysticrome is fire. Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah, it looks it's interesting seeing that color off a Mustang like the Bronco. It's just it's a different type of color on the Bronco. It that color actually rewards the different surfaces of the Mustang better. Right. The Mustang has got hips and angles, whereas the Broncos a little more of a slab. Yeah. So you have to kind of move around it a bit more to get the experience. Yeah. But we want to try it. It's more subtle on the Bronco than it is on a Mustang. Yeah. Have you done one on a Mustang yet? Oh, yeah. It's unbelievable the amount that people have been getting that color. Well, it's the right age bracket that's shopping, isn't it? Right. It's people that were like, you know, 12 to 18 in the 90s are now buying those right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. The fucking Mysticrome is fire. It is. Have you seen our Urban Bamboo Zool? Have you seen that color? We have. We looked it up. Oh, we looked it up on the website. Yeah, it was cool. We were talking about it. It's beautiful. Do you know what that color is from? A little Porsche color. Porsche did Urban Bamboo. Yeah. So we called it Bamboo Zool. We have a $100,000 Porsche. I'm going to show you a car that we have downstairs. That car is painted that color. All of the normally gray plastic is painted that color. The wheels are painted that color. I swear to God. Hey, you know, everyone has their own style. Most options 9-11 I've ever seen in my entire life. Oh, it's actually they did the cult the wheels that color is fucking 40 feet from where you're sitting right now. It's bananas. The wheels of that color though. Huh? The wheels. Yeah, the wheels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's insane. All right. And the brake calipers too. It's fucking great. It's unbelievable color. I have my spec five. Yeah. It's being done. It's our first production test is my spec five. So I did my spec five in that color. It's just so good. So people have the fucking first clue we were talking about. Oh, yeah. There was an intro. So everyone knows JR is here. Thank you for coming. Straight from the airport. Yes, sir. And we've had the pleasure at Westside of managing the RTR West Coast Marketing Fleet for like three months. Thank you very much. Thank you for your business. Appreciate that. And I've gotten to try to try the cars. There's like a literally a financial conflict. So I can't really review them. But I've gotten to have a go. This this and you've got your your spec three Mustang. Yep. You've got your spec five Mustang and then you've got this Rover RVR Bronco upgrade. And that's what we've got. Is that and that's all you're making right now, right? Those are the three we have. We have we have a the Rover is our like maxed out Bronco. We do have other Broncos like you don't need the Rover package, which is the roof rack and all the protection itself. Okay, cool. You can you can scale it down a bit. But yeah, Mustangs and Broncos right now. Okay, so we've got the the difference between the spec three and the spec five is like 50 horsepower, but more importantly, a GTD S body kit that sort of does resemble the how the GTD looks. But you keep your trunk. It's not an inboard suspension. So you do have a trunk it's effectively I see it as being like halfway between your spec three and a GTD. Yeah, I would I would even say it's halfway as an owner of the GTD as well. You know, the spec five, I think the only the only reason even compared to a GTD is because it's a wide body, frankly, and the horsepower, you know, it has more horsepower than a GTD. But the GTD is literally a Mustang unibody. The whole front end is you mean, you know, yeah, I drove it a lot. Yeah, I've driven a bunch. Yeah, it's a completely different. It's crazy. I mean, it's it's very much it's very much on a whole other level, which is why that car is over 400 grand and ours is starts at 160. I mean, it's like it's it's halfway between a GT and a GTD. You get some of what you would get with a GTD. You get the power. Yeah, powers to someone's ass. There's no difference between 15 and fucking 838 or whatever yours is. Yeah, like to your ass. Like, there's no difference. Right. It's fucking fast. Yeah. But you get a manual gearbox still. Yeah. Optional or or an auto, right? Yep. And you still get to use a trunk, which if you actually want to use your fast Mustang as a car is a benefit, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I guess I I never you know, it's a comparison here. You know, I don't because when I when we launched this car, in my mind, this was not even doesn't even hold a stick to the GTD. Right. Like in my mind, the GTD is a full blown race car. Sure. 35s in the rear, 315s in the front, 325s. Are they 325s? Yeah, 325s. Yeah. You know, the canna lever in board suspension. I mean, it's like literally like the RTX or the unicorn that we build, you know, suspension wise, and it's, you know, it's just a bat shit crazy car. And the spec five is bat shit crazy in its own way. But I you know, we didn't strip the whole car down completely, put our own front subframe rear subframe, all that stuff in it. So I guess I get too much in the technical but to your point, and and frankly, a lot of journalists when a car came out, more power than the GTD for half the cost, you know, I guess I guess I never, I don't think of it that way. I'm also pretty close to Ford's. I don't want them to think that I think it that way. But no, it's a fair perspective. And you have an extremely refined palette. I mean, when it comes to cars, you have a few you you you know the difference between normal, great, you know, exceptional and crazy, right? But a lot of folks, even folks who buy GTDs, they squirt the throttle a few times, they drive it around and and they're not really, really into the nuances of why this inboard suspension is better. Besides, I can tilt the mirror down and look at it move in the window. And that's, I feel that way about some shit. Like I just oh, it's I just it's better because smart people said it was, but I couldn't really tell you why I know. And so I just think like I'm trying to give your car credit because I drove it a good amount. This the Silver Spec five that we had here. I took it down to Rancho Santa Fe cars and coffee to take my nephew out for a good time. And I drove it, I think we picked it up from Larry Chen's house. I drove back from there. And it's a very tight car. It doesn't tram line with the wide body, which is really nice, more than you can say about a GTD, which is a little darty. And it's it is fucking quick. And it actually really felt like it had less. Like have you did you ever think like, especially with when when they started doing putting that that blower on all the coyote motors that all made like 720 horsepower for a long, did you ever really think, did you feel like those were not quite making that at the time that power wasn't quite making it the tires never quite got there. Yeah, especially to because they were very inefficient. Yeah. So after you geese it once or twice, yeah, it'll be like, I just lost 100 horsepower. Yeah. So I thought I mean, I didn't I didn't sustain the spec five high speeds for very long, but I thought it felt like a little more of that power was finally getting to the wheels. Yeah. And that was nice. Yeah, we're pretty spot on. In fact, we sold our car at 860. I told him 860, even though, you know, Whipple advertises 870. I just say, you know, let's just put it out at 860. Yeah. Just to be safe. But you know, with dyno, actually, I don't want to quote myself on this, but I believe it's like 770 at the tire. Sure. It's a bunch. Yeah. It a lot made it to the wheels. Yeah. And especially with the manual in fourth gear, it rips on the highway. I mean, it is very, very strong on the highway, that car. I really enjoyed it. I appreciate it. It had a nice ride. Yeah. It did have a nice ride, too. We spent a lot of time on the suspension and like that car, you know, represents the pinnacle of our of our capabilities right now with what we have all things considered suspension wise. You know, it's got to cool over as we spent a ton of time on them. And there's tons of adjustment, both soft and stiff in case customers want to go further with it. Obviously, the wide body, you know, we invested in metal tooling for that wide body. It's all composite out of metal tooling. It literally comes out of the tool ready to paint. It's like it's like a fact like a factory like Ford would make. Yeah. Yeah. Our previous spec fives, we use composite tools and they needed a significant amount of body work and little wavy here and there. And for this and where we're at as a brand, it just wasn't an option. So how many of those things can you build? We're doing 50 a year. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Where they made? So we've partnered with Fox factory. Where's that? Fox factory owns multiple facilities. So they're the parent company of Fox shocks. Oh, and they have three outfit facilities and they have some brands that they own and we've partnered with them. You know, I got to a scenario and you'll probably appreciate this where I created a great problem which was the opportunity to scale my business. Yeah. I created demand, created, created the customers, created the want and I got to a place where it's like, okay, do I want to build a factory, deal with managing a factory, deal with the amount of cash flow it takes to inventory selling thousands of cars a year, yada, yada, yada. And I really just came to the conclusion of like, look, if I could partners that I can just keep my brand focused on dreaming, designing, engineering and making cool shit and have someone else that has the ability to run it at scale. I don't need all the money. Like, I'm not here to put hundreds of millions of dollars in my bank account. I'm here to just do cool shit. Yeah. And so they were a perfect partner. They had the capacity that the ability, they're the ones that enabled it for us to be able to offer painted vehicles. They got 10 paint boots. And so we partnered with them to basically build our vehicles. They do all of them? All of them. We do about 100 at our facility a year for one local dealer, Tindall Ford in North Carolina. That's your highest volume and they're right there. Yeah. Then they're right there. And so it just, that just works, but they do the rest, distribute all across the country internationally. Yeah, because it, you know, the thing I've learned being working with such big companies is like, folks taking a quick break because support is coming in hard and heavy from Mac tools. You guys know Mac tools. You've seen the Mac tool shop truck around all over the place. I know what I could draw you a Mac tool shop truck with my eyes closed right now. 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become stale when you get too big and so that was one of my big things like I would love to stay under 100 people we have 80 right now okay and so with the relationship with fox for our spec vehicles which we just spoke about and then what we're doing with forward for the collaboration vehicles I feel like I have the partnerships in place that just allow us to do bad bad ass projects design and what's the difference in spec vehicles and collaboration vehicles yeah so we have our spec vehicles that we do all the design engineering manufacturing of everything right those are spec our spec twos are spec threes and spec five yeah we just announced the collaborations with forward so we have a turbo charge Mustang rtr okay so forward and then we have the bronco coming the turbo charge cars now it's on build and price on forge website oh cool I didn't realize that that was like a different uh category of business yeah this is absolutely a forward product yeah the collaboration vehicles are forward products so so it's built on the line yes yeah we share we basically we share design and engineering studios for both both for both of those projects our design studio and engineering for both of those products so it's not just like hey vaughn we want to do a appearance package rtr it's like hey we're going to co-develop what an rtr should be and we're going to put it out and what I achieve with that is I mean that the turbo Mustang uh 40 000 dollars yeah low 40s I mean you can literally leave with this car for under 500 bucks a month I mean you know credit depending on the press car in LA for these there were these yet we're we're going to press launch they haven't announced yet it's going to be in a few months all right quit you're gonna love that I can't wait I I've been bitch I just wrote an article for rodentrack about just bitching about that there's so many things to buy if you're a billionaire yeah like there's so many seven figure cars and there's so few like sub you know 100k cars they're just we're like that that's a dying breed so 40 a sub 45 000 car is awesome yeah and and it's it it's it's it's totally proper it it comes um only with the you know eco boost um I've been working on some calibration stuff with Ford racing I've got a prototype turbo upgrade at my shop and it's we're going to have a whole ecosystem for it and it's a really really cool car we're just a detail the dragon with it what uh what will they allow you to do with like the chassis and stuff that yeah so stock as it comes uh it it's basically we took the base uh eco boost performance back car which they don't offer anymore so we started with that and then once we started doing some testing with it um we were able to go in and get some dark horse parts so it's got uh dark horse stay bars dark horse wear a subframe it's got the upper camber plates for adjustment from the dark horse I was able to get them to put I shouldn't say able to get them we put anilag in it oh that's fun so when you're in track mode it automatically has anilag oh that's fun and the response is very noticeable and when I was testing the car doing drifting one thing I noticed is could they all come with a drift brake they all come with active exhaust when I pulled the handbrake and then would go to get back on the throttle there was just a bit of delay and it's not a big turbo but it's still there was a delay and I knew that Ford had anilag strategy from the GT from some of the rally stuff they do and I was like hey can we whenever like and the engineers I work with are freaking amazing dude the passion that they had for this project warranty that yeah that's awesome I mean it's not like boom boom boom shoot fire but the turbo stays spooled and now when you jump off the handbrake and pick up throttle or you come in mid corner you go a little deep you're off throttle yeah and you you know you have to pick it up a little later than you want like it's right there it's it's really cool that's neat interiors dope I can't wait for you to see it it's and drive it you'll you'll love it ben and I ben hobson my other drift driver we're at tail the dragon at ponies and the smokies this last week or two weeks ago and we had our spec two there five liter v8 na and I was driving that and not you know the spec two is a phenomenal car but I bet on the dragon this is better way better yeah I bet it's better I would take that car in the dragon over my ggv I mean almost all cars are too much cars you know anything front engine on the dragon is like that's tough like I got so spoiled I was driving 918 on it last year which has light steering actually like it was great but but it's actually like you know it's miata or something is the shit yeah I can imagine a four cylinder like remember that that 230i bmw like msport like the four cylinder two series that was that'd be nice on tail the dragon I think but these are be good yeah yeah so it's obviously a dream I mean to have a production car it's amazing you know we're the second person ever on the planet to do it with four with Mustang and maybe even first with Bronco but the Broncos still same mindset like another and well yeah Shelby's SUVs were Dakotas remember the Shelby did the Chrysler and then came back yeah he did a a Dodge Daytona yeah the Omni GLHS of course and then the Dakota pickup truck which remember they did a convertible yeah oh yeah you get a Shelby Dakota convertible that is like crazy imagine the chassis rigidity on that thing yeah but you know it's it's a dream like when I started RTR almost 20 years ago like that was like one day I'm gonna do that you know and and here we are and it's out and it's just it's absolutely crazy to see and we have a production vehicle with them it also gives us the you know the gamut right like my core audience that I've been growing is you know still 18 to 35 now I have plenty of 45 year olds like myself now that have been with me for so long that can afford our spec vehicles yeah our spec 3 started you know 90 100 grand over the pain the one we drove was pain to sample he has like 100 something yeah and um but now for you know to be able to offer something enthusiast market like this and the Bronco is going to be you know entry level enthusiast focused it's just a dream to be able to like get something like this out that yeah can can afford and once Ford's you know okay you now it's in production right now what kind of like maintenance do you have to do on that collaboration side of the brand yeah so we you know we we've been working on this since 2023 there was a couple delays due to some supplier stuff and right now so actually tomorrow I'm going to two local dealers here we we're choosing like 20 or 30 dealers and I'm personally going to share in the brand with them and and gain them on board because they're a key part right the vehicles will sell they need to be at the lots though so we're you know doing that and then really beyond that like there's no obligation you know just to leverage it with content and and just keep it going but like there's no like in the contract there's not a ton of things that I have to keep doing but it's like I want to do things with you know I didn't mean more like things you have to keep doing like you know appearance I meant more like guys support for this show is coming in from true work working outside in the spring time means you're dealing with chilly mornings hot afternoons and everything in between not to mention the mud rain and whatever else the weather decides to throw at you you need work wear that can keep up with the changing conditions and true work has you covered you see most work wear is made from cotton blends which can restrict your movement and get soaked after a few raindrops they get heavy they get clunky you get cold true work uses advanced performance fabrics to build products designed specifically for work on the job site like the t2 work pant which 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Drive with Jim Farley check it out things well I didn't mean more like things you have to keep doing like you know appearance I meant more like now you've got the car out yeah and they go okay this is great you know hopefully it sells I assume they wait a little bit to make sure it sells but but but but after that it's like we're updating the dark horse in two years with these parts you know do you want to start testing these parts for for your car as well like is it going to be like that kind of thing where they go okay we're looking we're looking to update this car in three years so what do you think we could update if we had this much more budget does that kind of stuff I mean I mean I've been working with Ford on the back end of vehicles for a very long time now we have a Mustang we have a Bronco I can't speak about future product can you speak about what the plans are three years but you know it is my personal dream that this and we're not there and I'm not sneaking anything in but it's my personal dream to like have the ability to create like an entry-level enthusiast focused ecosystem you know that that is just building fun badass looking vehicles that people you know people can actually afford and we'll still have our our spec series of vehicles and our our Rover and the the the vehicles for people that want something more um but I I love the opportunity to just bring it back a little bit to your point rally hydro handbrake that car is great mochi rally fucking rips that car is great it is so that the monkey is underrated it is probably the most underrated car on sale right now so underrated you get but you put that on a gravel rally stage with me I'll take it over at 911 Dakar you know what I think happened I think I think we had no point where the where the perspective was like the government's forcing us to do something so so like you you either got labeled what people that drive electric cars get labeled right and like nobody wants to be that right now and then it was like the government's making you do this and nobody in America wants to listen to government so it was just like hard no I'm out I'm and and literally that attitude and that mindset like totally destroyed the electric vehicle industry for to to an extent the combination that was gonna the yeah the combination of unrealistic goals this this 2030 100 percent EV mandate which was ridiculous well that's here with your governor here in California the rest of the world no it's here but like where no but like where California goes like fucking the car industry follows for the historically yeah historically speaking a lot of people here yeah I mean it's and it's the biggest car buying state blah blah blah yeah fucking um except for the gas we mean the rest of the world was like fuck your 91 you know and also just they're very expensive and they couldn't you know couldn't really get the infrastructure done to make them as you people really perceive them as being less useful right than their regular cars for most people meant not most for many people they are not for others they are and so you know Americans like to buy a car they can do everything that they need to do now and then a whole bunch of shit they might need to do at some point right realistic or unrealistic yeah you know yeah yeah so you make a good point because when they first came out there was such a negative stereotype about them because a lot of the cars were very boring and then EVs had to dig themselves out of that hole so by the time you get to Maki rally and you have to convince a lot of the public who's anti-ev like this is a really fun rally car period yeah it just happens to have electric power they're like I'm not driving they weren't even having it right yeah I mean I did the media I did the media driver that car we would forward out to was it a dirtfish yeah a dirtfish and I mean we were given rips I had so much fun we had a wrc driver there um his name's slipping me right now but we had an absolute blast in that thing and then I have a Maki we we made a rtr package it's a small appearance package for it and I mean in fact that's why I drove the airport to come here today they're fucking awesome there's got 20 thousand miles on it and you know what I've done maintenance on that car fuck all couple software updates window wiper fluid that's literally the five thousand mile yeah thanks so you know I appreciate it for what it is you know um you know am I getting rid of my v8s and I'm very grateful to be someone that has you know in a situation of multiple vehicles but man I just feel like if you're a two car family like there's no reason not to have one it's it's an egg to go over 200 miles a day yeah no it is their appliances but like you can do really cool shit with electric motors and like in the case of that car the programming of those motors with the thing that you are doing is so good that it turns you into an absolute rock star on the dirt 100 which is like what you want from an all-wheel drive system like so many all-wheel drive systems like look I love Subaru but like a Subaru this car a Subaru pushes when this car is rotating like all the time right like it knows exactly it's like front end needs to be pointed that way yeah it is it just does the thing yeah it's fucking so good it's so good so yeah should make one of those but we but but there should be a one of just a hand well just as it be electric yeah I mean the electric drift brake that we developed in the Mustang is incredible yeah no it doesn't need to be hydraulic it just needs to be a handle yeah it just needs to be right now it's a it's a button well you can't even use it though right yeah you can't use it while it's going yeah no you can't be slightly yeah you can't you I mean you know and speaking of that when we just a little sidebar you know we did develop the handbrake yeah and it's progressive when I first thought I'm like oh it's electric handbrake I just just make it on a switch I just wanted to lock or not we had to when we we tried it like that at first you know every time it just felt like the whole rear of the car was just locked up yeah so we made it progressive that's my dude the first time he eggs that motherfucker feels like the entire rear of the car and I was like this is not what this is how we're doing because I thought in my mind because I've always been thinking about the drift car because I'm like you know every now man like it we when I had a straight axle Mustang we get pad knocked back and I'm like man if I just had an electric one I could just pull it and lock immediately that's all I need but it's freaking out of control you didn't realize what immediate meant exactly I'm like oh maybe that delay is like built into my timing I don't know but we made it progressive and it works so good and also the progressiveness is great for the mu right if you're a hard surface soft slick surface like you know you just pulled a little bit more so yeah super cool trials and tribulations and developing handbrakes you know no that I mean that is a killer innovation yeah genuine being you know using electrification for that is a is another great one and for Ford to say yes to it is also shocking I'm really surprised and happy about that yeah well I think 1400 we built right yeah I do amazing yeah those guys I mean they know how to have a pretty good time yeah they usually Jim and the boys they're usually down to to play a little bit and even more now that we're committed to just yeah creating emotional exciting fun vehicles that's so fucking cool though there's the RTR Machi yeah the wheels look great really nice looking wheel yeah yeah there's a good looking car and again just didn't take off but you know like I've been very open you know it's a lot of people hide from you know electric and and I think it has a place you know I think modding thing I don't is not really happening much you know other than like a set of wheels or something people just really aren't doing it it's hard to get into when you see a modded Tesla dude you're like come on it was like a cheap splitter in the back you know it just looks like such loser shit no one's designed the proper stuff you know unplugged make some decent go-fast things they do make some solid go-fast bits shout out to them they're they're fighting the good fight yeah I have seen their stuff is not gaudy but just like you know 95% of the time if you see a modded EV you're like bro that's just that's terrible what are you doing bud you're just adding so much drag on whatever you're doing like is the range worth it there's one guy who rolls around Malibu that has some kind of speaker system that like blasts out like engine like a cam yeah borla just yeah borla just put sound systems out and they actually they're actually decent I don't think I've always been a proponent for electric for electric vehicles have sound but not copying something yeah it should be like jetsons or fun and I don't have you know but the maki 1400 we have a military weapon what is the name of slipping me again it's like the sound cannon they use it's literally what is it we have one on the front the back it projects 1.6 miles whoa and I work with T. Payne to develop the soundtrack for the maki 1400 it sounds insane when it blows by you when that's on whoa that's not Terry that's like it's like a riot sounds it's exactly what is that that's crazy did is it T. Payne's voice on it or has he produced it no I'll let you listen I have it I really need to get T. Payne on this show I heard nothing but amazing things about him and I think he's an amazing musician he's really like and he's apparently quite a good good driver he is yeah we built him um we built him two rtrs now yeah so we built him one a street car that we put angle kid and and made driftable and then he's like I want the full thing so we built him literally our fd competition spec car but we put a coyote with supercharger in it for him just so he didn't have to deal with the unreliability of a race or the cost of running race motor I should say isn't that kind of like your like demo car would be like if you have like an exhibition car would be kind of like that we don't use the we don't have the good suspension on all the demo cars okay the quick change the all of our billet arms and stuff you put all that shit on everything this car literally is but you want it to be a convertible so it's our first convertible get the fuck out of here yeah that rules I mean like he because he's Atlanta right in the Atlanta area yeah see he's in Georgia drifting in Georgia is hot yeah I can imagine if you're not competing and you're just like and I know he competes amateur level but if you're just fucking around and having fun a convertible drift car is nice yeah wouldn't you would you prefer one if you were just fucking around with friends no because in the rain it's not cool oh rain yeah i'm a london so I think about rain seasonal yeah this thing looks right do you run like do you run like an all season drift tire in the rain no you just fucking no you did we just run our tires like whatever right we just run our tires and um yeah it's fine I'm pretty cool honestly thank you for it's sick no it's built these little humps you see these are homes yeah these are homes are good yeah yeah um I really like the rally style rear wheel I mean it's fun colors I really like the color you painted the tubing of the cage yeah that's a fun color yeah and so that's basically the same motor in you in the spec five yes the whip exactly yeah exactly it yeah look at these wheels cool the I mean the the car is I mean correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like like everybody I mean like it seems like you can put a fucking whipple on one of these things on and on a stock motor yeah and not have issues yeah I mean they're they're phenomenal like the spec five you probably want to want to go there's probably 30 40 horsepower to be gained but you don't want to go much more just with the factory you know factory rods and and bore but still that's so much power on yeah I mean it's you know on a stock bottom and yeah awesome you know and and I guess it's we've dinod it and you know Cletus um he he did it back to back with the stage one and stage two whipples and um it was like 770 I want to say at the tire this car is about 850 ish at the tire and this is the illuminator coyote which has different different rods and stuff but the the coyote is an unbelievable motor yeah I mean it is it's unbelievable it's you know the the reason why right now we're not using it in competition and we use the ry45 still um is we're running 13 to 1500 horsepower in the fd cars yeah and so with the coyote we certainly could do that but the weight penalty with the with the blower and all the cooling and the additional exchangers it's you know it's 300 pounds yeah one pounds ish you know so it's just that that's tough a lot in a race car and we're trying to pull 510 15 pounds you know year over year we're trying to pull weight out of the cars it's just it's tough for us to do that right now um that makes sense but for the demo cars and the street cars it's unbelievable unbelievable motor yeah we're just in formula d just asking for some craziness is that naturally aspirated that much power no it naturally aspirated with nitrous oh so it's about 950 and then we shoot about 300 to 500 nitrous depending upon what we're what what track we're at and what we're trying to do man that's fucking hard yeah yeah it's hard it's fun though it's unbelievable of course is it like is is drifting this car at 1300 horsepower that much more fun than drifting a car from eight or nine years ago that way more fun eight or nine years ago because this should be scary now okay yeah it's uh we entering the group b era of formula drift yeah it's been that for three years is the fear from the speed um grip all that you know there's there's it to the to like to driver 1500 horsepower 800 horsepower it all depends about the amount of grip you put in the car right 800 is going to handle less grip 15 is going to be berserk speed because the amount of grip you could put in the car i mean we're pulling well over a g in these cars these days going sideways that's serious yeah and so to answer your question it's it's just the it's how fast everything's happening like these cars they're not like floaty and like easy like it's you're you're doing something you know we've recently dialed back a little bit to to be able to be better adjusted but the cars are just when you're on throttle they're locked down and they're driving and when you're off throttle every it want it wants to come back because you're a b you're essentially running slicks as well right there are like 200 treadwear i think is what our tires are in the rear sure 200 treadwear yes of course they're too but they're like really aired down oh yeah aren't they like fucking 12 pounds or something we run like single digits sometimes are they just changing do they change direction faster more quickly now because of all the grip you know and you have all this kinetic energy from the speed yes so is part is that everything's happening faster everything's more responsive accelerations faster everything in fact i was just at drift up drift appalachia love that event oh my god it was the coolest thing yeah we went there just a couple weeks ago and i was running my usually i run the factory off the shelf nitto nt 555 g2s in the demo car okay but i might tell my wheels didn't get coded in time for my new livery so i took the fd wheels and put them on my demo car and i had the nfd and my freaking handbrake that has no problem locking up because on my demo car just have the factory caliper in the rear okay has no ever never been a problem and i'm on now i'm on a mountain and my handbrake is not locking my tire so i'm going switch back because because it's that much wider is that much grippier compared to the the you know the regular street tire so uh yeah it's it's crazy how the sport has progressed it's really cool it's i mean dude it's selling out it's it's incredible what is going on with drifting right now on a global scale so you think those changes that make it scarier for you and make it better for the fans or do you think it's just it's just the momentum of the sport or i i think that question is very similar to like the mindset of like why was group b rally cooler right you got to see the like you know the things that like we enjoy you know like we love competing at the top level because it's like who can bring the better mousetrap i like racing unlimited ultra 4 because that you have a very minimal rule book and we can do whatever we want with the race trucks i like doing for the drift because it's pretty much unlimited except for suspension mounting points so it's like the engineering and the prowess i mean keeping a 1500 horsepower motor together yeah at 100 load you know i mean like it's it's the team enjoys that part of it i think the fans get benefit do i think that the fans would it would be that much different for them if we dropped 400 horsepower no but it'll be different for us the engineers likes to build a spaceship you know you give them the box and they will build the thing that just fits that box perfectly it may get back you know they may be forced to dial it back at some point hopefully not because somebody gets hurt hopefully for another reason yeah but but sometimes it's like some racers it's costing you know stuff like smaller teams can afford it and they have prospec so when you're talking about they have prospec and they way they limited it by the tire so it's a 255 or 265 max tire so if you show up with 15 horsepower you ain't going nowhere anyway and that's the cost that's the entry level of the series but pro i love that it's you know group b now i've been in the game for 20 years i've run one of the top teams so i might be a little bit jaded but the thing is man it's like this is also how i find you keep really good people right because if you can you know it's it's really easy to smart people to figure the thing out and just keep doing it and then they get bored but if you can keep them challenged to innovate and progress we've won the last not bragging we've won the last four championships out of five years in Formula D it's a crazy step yeah yeah but the only reason that we're able to do that is because we're not sitting on the couch in the off season we keep innovating and so the innovation has to stop then you lose the good people sure then it just becomes you know kind of rinse and repeat and nobody wants to do that yeah not in racing anyway exactly yeah but i i want to go back to just a little nugget that i got before because with the prospec being limited to a certain tire you said you show up with 800 horsepower and you show up with 1500 horsepower it doesn't get you anywhere but that's an interesting thing for like the audience to think about because a lot of people think about horsepower but they don't necessarily think about how much horsepower they can put down like Zach and i just drove recently that the new m2 bmw the cs which is uh like 530 horsepower some 530 527 5 sorry dm2 cs oh yeah 523 well the regular m2 is like less than that but already spins the tires like through like fourth gear and so this extra horsepower is present but is fully constrained by electronics effectively and has it has almost the same problem if you turn everything off so it's just an interesting thing to like think about that at this level uh at this scale so if you were to show up at a drift event and you have two cars and they both have identical say the same car yeah you're your fucking mustangs one is 900 one is 1400 but they're limited to the 255 tire is that is it is all of that extra horsepower completely useless in that scenario yes yeah yeah i mean and assuming like let's just say you're running the same tire pressure like maybe the 1500 horsepower could run seven pounds where the 700 horsepower 800 horsepower would have to run 15 pounds yeah you could get a little bit more drive out of it but if it was all things equal it to run the same pressure same same shock same everything absolutely yeah yeah think about that when adding horsepower to your car you know if you've got a regular car call it a Mustang call it a fucking whatever and you put a whole bunch of horsepower in your car you know think about your your traction yeah and but it also it also though that it's funny because we were chatting about we just we um we had an article come out today actually with car and driver they instrument tested one of our spec 3s oh yeah cool and um you know did it do well instrument testing no oh okay but you guys are driven it i thought it was fun yeah they're great but we don't we don't build our cars for instrument testing we build our cars as an enthusiast vehicle yeah rear wheel drive manual transmission cars though have a good zero to 60s 2026 exactly and so you know we so you know we we give this preface if i want an instrument car we just put a different set of tires on it and send it to you we know the suspension is great it can handle it it's built it's built for restricting your tires you can probably build an automatic sure if you i mean if you really you know exactly would do better right but the point i'm making is like what what are you using the car for right so it's not a blanket statement of like don't add more horsepower if you want to leave a dig or leave a light and get the grip less horsepower might be your friend if you want to do a roll from 60 to 100 or 40 to 100 the horsepower it will likely work because you're not from a dig and most tires will will handle that as long as you're not an idiot with the throttle sure so for me it's like when we're building a car and and this was kind of the interesting thing about my perspective of the car and driver like the the the review was only about the the the data there was no discussion of the driving and we consciously develop our vehicles to be very progressive right it's my perspective that most enthusiasts live under 90 percent sure right you're going into canyons you run 70 80 percent 70 percent yeah cruising right so i like to build a car that is very progressive and confidence inspiring for everybody if you want to race car we had this discussion today you you'll get our car and you'll know exactly what tires you want to put on to go the track i'm giving you a vehicle that you can drive in the rain you can drive back and forth to work i did drive the spec five in the rain you can do you can do donuts and the tires aren't coming apart you can go drifting and you can do it many times before you need a new set of tires yeah if i give you an instrument impressing car you go do a couple donuts they're coming apart sure you go to one track day or do any drifting they're to the cords so you know it i just go to that it's like the thing that people should take away when they're building a car is like be very conscious of what you want well what you're trying to achieve it how you're going to drive it because that in lies the answer what to do a lot of people will quote numbers to me between two cars that we've driven it could be the m2 and whatever else but but uh what it really comes down to is like if you and your buddy are ripping up a canyon and he's in one of these and you're in the other these cars are the same speed they're effectively the same speed right if you took them to a track day the better driver will put down the better lap time here but not necessarily the car you know and even if like this one's better off the line let's go to all wheel drive and paddle shifters and blow on this is a rear wheel drive stick like those two cars could still run the same lap time here they're still the same pace up an empty road like the numbers don't really apply to those situations so much anyway right so yeah who cares yeah but it is the old it's always been discussion you know is more horsepower equal more speed in certain scenarios 100 of time yes not everywhere not everywhere yeah yeah and not if you not if your car comes with more horsepower and tire from the entire from the factory right you know that's but there sure is something really damn cool being like hey but i got 800 horsepower under that hood right there yeah we do a third year roll you know it's all hooked up sure exactly or just saying in in texas highway highway roll racing in texas in florida absolutely i don't condone any street racing at all no why would you you can do roll racing on a runway yeah yeah i mean never mind allegedly uh let's go to the people is that time the people always have something to say the patrons over it patrons over it patreon.com slash the smoke entire podcast it's where you get our show live it's where you get our show early it's where you get extra show it's where you get shows without ads and it's where you get to ask your questions for the show again that's patreon.com slash the smoke entire podcast we love these folks very kind of them to join us and some of their usernames are very creative okay so this was carbon monocoque and ball torture um how far are we uh from seeing the top pro level drift series going to all purpose built full tube chassis drift cars your car is mostly that already it's a full unibody is it yeah it's unibody factory subframes we're only allowed to move the suspension mounting point two inches on the subframe and then everything's much more race car than that no oh okay i mean when you when you look at it we cut it we have a tube front so when we crash we can replace it quickly but from basically shock tower to shock tower is a full unibody you can't touch anything you can't touch the firewalls uh drifting be better if you could build tube chassis drift cars yeah so i i actually uh conceptualized something like this a while ago using uh transam chassis i had it fully like baked out like a full container would be a full team and we would travel the world and do this and he you know his point is is one of the reasons why i don't know that it would work so from a competitive standpoint it would be freaking epic because all the cars would be the same and the door to door and the tandem and like the in just the proximity and it would be really cool but to his point there's something very exciting about the relatability of drifting right now even though we have 15 horsepower even though these are you know hundreds of thousands of dollar race cars at this point still looks like a mustang right still looks like a mustang still very relatable still in the aftermarket that's generated off of these vehicles is massive so you technically can i mean we we don't sell all of our parts but you technically go buy a mustang and there's people that sell an angle kit and this and that and you can buy a mustang and do all of it yeah you know so that i think that is a big part of the culture you know that's a part of the culture that NASCAR misses you have to be able to like sort of imitate it at home yeah and i think it fed NASCAR for a long time because the cars looked like the cars and now it's like oh the Chevy's passing the Ford you're like right but all the bodies look the same it's kind of like who paid for it literally the same car yeah shops don't even build their own chassis put a different sticker on it yeah pretty much literally our supply there's one supplier for the chassis now so from a from a from a fan perspective like just pure sport it would be exciting but from a big picture cultural you know all things considered automotive culture that's i think one of the exciting things to to his absolute point so i don't think that's ever gonna happen in fd but i do think that it would be a really cool like special series like iraq yeah that travels as he cool you know i'm like because right now we get asked to go to a lot of places but the fd season is the priority we'll have one yeah but if there was like a whole other organization that had the cars and cars you put a different body on it it's like monster trucks you're smashing a car don't matter you just replace the next day call sam show must go on you go on i think it'd be really really cool it would be you know it would be super fucking cool actually you only need you could literally use five on a horsepower crate coyote sure because every car is the same you just balanced a grip to the tire do you think sponsors would be resistant to letting their drivers hop over to that also because it might like if the drivers are now in a vacuum the Saudis are going to do it and then it's going to become problematic no because right now you know each of the teams for toyota chevy bmw whatever like they can go we build this car for our driver and and they try to tailor the car for that driver but once everyone goes to a spec series uh they kind of lose that kind of the marketing i don't think you know i don't know that you would have oems involved but i've also been surprised i mean you know the the company that makes those lambs they had their name on the side of a no-name electric the fc or fx ones whatever andre s arickson's what are those called the the rally cars that the uh the nitro nitro rallycross yeah i mean that was a true the so something you know it depends on who's what the manufacturer is doing i i don't believe that i don't believe outside a NASCAR that ford would do that um unless there was a way that there was some learning right like here's a good example my ultra four race truck the unlimited class yeah is a tube chassis truck with a with a bronco raptor body on it sure um but which is really really cool by the way we run fox live alvin that truck which is on all the raptors we're always gaining and progressing that system um we also have independent front suspension very similar link rear suspension aval the bronco is so the suspension geometry and the suspension is a big learning yeah you know in off-road that's the most important sure so we get some good learning from that perspective that truck by the way was uh el bandido pretty much one of like only two or three things at ice race that actually looked fast yeah you know like i was a great way to make things that like should be fast yeah look really slow oh yeah uh this was actually fast yeah it was like this and that dude's like twin turbo hurricane on huge spikes yeah uh that he was mobbing and like one other thing that were fast and everything else was really slow but it looked amazing yeah so this is a bandido this is even our race truck but this is the front and back of our race truck that cab you're looking at is an actual bronco cab when bronco launched there was a cyber orange toodle that everybody saw yeah that truck was going to the crusher yeah it was a dollar car we got forward to let us get that and then we put our ultra four front end and back end on it and a raptor r motor in it and that thing is unreal so we'll give you this if you promise to never drive it on the street ever again yeah like it must be unidentifiable as the thing it came and started as yeah yeah just using the cab so yeah dude i just i was talking about nascar being on production cars for a minute remember i mean we were both very young all of three of us were young but like remember when they were like homologation nascar specials like when the montee carlo had like had to have like the floor back yeah like homo and the idea to go back to homologation specials for for nascar and like that probably like i mean i don't know the aerodactyl but that probably did drive some sales whereas like i wonder how many sales nascar really drives today because the cars are just not it's not culture i don't believe it i don't believe that it supports the culture but i do think i do think at some level it still gives brand preference but i don't think that culturally people are like oh i'm getting a Mustang i'm going to watch jolly legano race nascar drift probably does a lot more than the nascar in terms of seeing you know the car that that you because aren't there a couple people in fd at least one who are driving like a 240 yeah yeah like yeah there's there's no question i mean i mean when i started with Mustang in fact i don't know if you know we're doing a book and i've this is fresh on my mind really oh cool um because i literally on the way here i edited edited the entire like what through the whole book for like a almost final edit and um when i started the parking lots had no Mustangs yeah people thought i was freaking crazy for training in my s13 to get to compete in a Mustang and um now you go out in the parking lot and it's it's full you know i'm gonna say full but there's a lot no there's a lot there are a lot more like back when in fucking 08 and shit it was not very common to be at a drift event in a month there wasn't a big aftermarket for it there wasn't really demand for it at the time we were still kind of a Japanese sport uh getting it getting it on on a white windowless vaughn very good i like it's very good uh what's a challenge you struggled with uh when growing as a driver and what helped you overcome it p.s saw you at the wall in new jersey when i was a kid oh cool yeah for all three of us you want to you guys i don't know what i mean i don't fucking challenge the challenge is i'm not very fast still that's my challenge my challenge is for someone who drives for someone who drives this much i should be slower go faster but slow and fast out man you got anything here but you're going to school yeah tomorrow uh before i went to last racing school like braking my braking was inverted my braking curve was terrible it was literally like you know increasing as i went through the corner because i was used to doing camera car shit where you have to get close to a car you might have to add a little brake and that was just trained in so i had to learn to invert my braking uh yeah graph yeah interesting because i think i i think this question is is two fold um because one of them for me i think i'd just give the one answer for me as i was progressing in in top level motorsport i realized that i would do really well in practice but then like when there was qualifying or judging or the timer was on i would shit the bed and so i started and it happened on more than one occasion i'm like okay here's the problem right my brain and so i started i read a book called uh speed secrets by ross bandley which are highly suggestive as you do i read the book and i just called ross i'm like hey bud what's it take for you to come out so i brought ross out of formula d in 2008 i brought ross bandley out to fd had no idea what have you ever seen drifting no idea what drifting was i didn't care i didn't tell him to tell me how to drift i need to tell me how to fix my brain so i could perform and so that's when i went down the route of sport psychology and training the brain and studying the brain and so that is something that if anyone is serious about being a driver it's the number one overlooked thing and any sport is the mental we're all like oh i want the best car the best tire like no you can do a lot just by being consistent and just by showing up with the prep proper mindset um so that that for me i think probably not what he was expecting the answer but i would definitely great answer i definitely trained in good answer brain um as you know as important as anything your episode on uh ross's podcast is a very good listen by the way when you're on there thank you for people who want to learn more about the brain dra from houston what would you have as a hypothetical mustang future variant wish list i you're gonna have to figure out how to answer this without yeah all right i'll give you one i wanted one i wanted a rear drive mock e that has the rally suspension and non like less aggressive tires than the and i just want and the uh the gt rally seats and a more powerful motor i wanted to call it lx don't they have rear wheel drive they do it's a long range yeah i had it but i but you can't get that with the really good suspension that's right that was your first one you did all the reviews on a rear wheel drive long range good suspension no okay yeah all right um let's see hypothetical mustang future variant wish list i i really can't answer this question right now because i'm already living in the future with you can have an exemption so just stay tuned because they're all coming instead uh track days are the best days favorite non-ford vehicle are you allowed to answer this question um favorite non-ford vehicle you know i i have to go this is really quintessential and i rolly but it's gonna have to be the kuntosh like the five-year-old in me is gonna have to say the kuntosh sure i don't know if i told you this but i got i bought a pantera i have a pantera promise i was gonna do i was gonna do a kuntosh i gotta tell you though after i drove it after i drove one irrespective of the price tag yeah i was so disappointed okay i was sad i understand about driving it and um and so i felt that the pantera would give me like that childhood like dream look but i could actually make it be a driver it is a mod friendly community the pantera community they customize their cars yeah yeah i like a pantera yeah panteras are good they're a good time and and kuntoshes are highly variable it really depends like not just which type of kuntosh but like literally like which one you drove and um yeah they're not for everybody it's my it's my favorite because wherever you go with the kuntosh you win it's been on my wall it's literally in my office still the poster i had at my house like i that's the one thing i have to answer me i have other things i like but that that's if you're gonna say my favorite that's the one are you putting like race motor in your pantera i'm still thinking about the drivetrain just like i'm still i'm thinking i'm still thinking about it i got a really badass d motor which is uh it's like 10 000 rpm yes that's i'm also looking at a couple indy car motors oh my god i'm playing drive the street car yeah but it's like how often i'm gonna drive it not that often right so why not make it also no but it has to be like like kind of streetable like can you like can you can you make an indy car streetable i think so you know rob dom do you know yeah he's he's trying he's got a he's got a rack of old cozy sure indy car motors as he made one of them street legal i don't think he will but i think the drivability if you could get a more normal v8 to rev to 10 i feel like that gets you enough of that super exotic indy flavor yeah but you also could slip the clutch on a hill and keep and get going yeah the indy motor might be like you know 18 000 rpm but wait are we talking about practicality right now just a tiny bit i know i like your point what are you using it for do you need to like if you're gonna drive it on the street you don't want it to be like horrible i originally my original plan was i had a full body design i was going to go bat shit crazy i was going to do electric front drivetrain oh gt3 Mustang race motor in the back and then i'm like i got too much going on so i've scrapped the body i just got a whole metal the um the group five or gt five side car um and i'm still working on the motor in my mind but i got i got interior parts that interior guy got metal work being done to the metal guy so things are happening i'm so excited about things are happening yeah i'm sure you'll figure out something cool what gearbox will you use well the zf's in it right now obviously the original five yeah that's in it um can you make the ricardo from the four gt fit if you can it's like the best manual of all time yeah so this is where i don't know where i'm going with it because six xd who makes sequentials they just came out with a rear transactile oh well yeah you got the hook up on that yeah it could be fun yeah that's the way yeah it's a little bit old i cannot argue with this so i'm i'm still playing okay it comes in it comes in ebbs in place i love a good pantera though the duffel shuffle retirement club these names are great you guys are great what inspired you to build cars in the beginning and what inspires you now i mean you just talked about the dream of ford of having a having your own name on a production car that's amazing but back in the day yeah you know it's it's interesting and this is part of the story i tell dealers about the brand i have a photo of me as a five-year-old in like a little tux my mom and her wedding gown and i got hot wheels in my hand and i probably had it in my pocket yeah and and they literally had to pry these hot wheels out of my hand so i could take the rings down the aisle my mom's wedding and um i my my dad um is who i have to say is is who inspired me my dad was a used car salesman so he's always buying cars from the auction and he you know fix him up and he'd always use a hot rod or so he'd always bring some random random cars home and always be working on them and he'd take me to street races and i just felt absolute in love with it and um i was actually forced to work on my first car my first car was a 64 cutlass nice had hydraulics and datans on it too seriously yes i was did you put them on or did you buy it there was a there was a few people i want to be able to find it there was a jamaican family that had to leave the country very quickly in dc and my dad passed her house and one day they wanted 12 grand for the car and like a week later they wanted like three grand for the car yeah and i just made on a roll in my 16th birthday was coming up my dad was hardcore on breeze so for my 16th birthday my dad bought it i'd be shocked if you found it you did find it on your facebook my friend yeah there it is yeah so that car is one of the cable he's got the cable dude that is the car that ended on the mirror you see the mural on the trunk so it was washing in dc and the capital building was on fire this was a lot car was mint all black shaved door handles full brand new leather interior 330 rocket motor this is the car that made me look at the short wheelbase fucking caravan in the background behind it that was the truckster the family but this car made me learn how to work on cars so i was inspired by my dad but this car forced me because it was constantly breaking ball joints tie rods from hop and ancient batteries dude i used to go i would blow solenoids all the time i'd go into high school with just gear just oil the drug fluid all over my hands one time the trunk caught on fire me and my three boys i was driving to school at time had to literally piss in the trunk to put the fire out wait why did why does the trunk catch on fire because i saw a lowrider at hauled august nights have the trunk catch on fire after bouncing too much yeah because there's 12 batteries in it okay yeah and so what happened is my switch box fell over while we were driving and one of the switches stayed on so the solenoid got super hot and started arcing the battery cable and there was an oily rag in the trunk that caught an arc and flit off this is an amazing sequence in a movie yeah this is like i can picture this sequence of events happening in a movie dude so it's three of us right so my one boy my best friend at the time ricky i'm like we're right at corner store i'm like run in and get some water me and jared my boy get out we're staying up in the trunk you know peeing in the in the trunk ricky comes out with like a 20 gallon sorry 20 ounce like a 20 he just went in and got the styrofoam cup and put on the water and he's running and the water splashed out by time he got to it there's like five ounces of a cup anyway we got the fire out and that is why i started or learned how to work on cars because i kept breaking that car dude and then after that was the s13 wow here we go you really turn the corner quick 2016 this is me age 16 with my first car a 64 cutlass with 100 spoke datans and a 10 switch hydro system skateboard in the trunk and a mix of easy rancid and wu tang in the cd play there it is that's it how i learned about cars and is that it looks like a bmwe 30 in the little corner yeah that was my stepfather's that's the car learned how to do burnouts and donuts there you go i had to tell him that a long time i told him that a long time because when they would leave i had this little spot i would take it to and do some burnouts and donuts dude i love that you had a hydraulics fucking yeah i tried to buy it back to you know where that car is or what you knew but yeah and he he was going to sell to me but then he once he realized where thought what i was and he jacked it up and he's on a full frame off restoration took all the hydros off it and now is made it kind of like a street rod oh wow was it is it because you shut up his house in a gtd mist misty chrome misty chrome suit try to talk to him he wanted seven grand i offered him three was well before my gtg we're in a monocle we're in an rtr monocle well before that that's amazing credible uh low gaslight anthem uh your 2014 sema oh the ultimate funhaver truck yeah good short uh short cab short wheelbase truck um at the time did ford consider putting something similar into production uh and why isn't such a segment more popular in your opinion yeah i love that truck it's a good time oh it was great it drifted it jumped it on road off road it was great um whatever happened to that thing you sell for charity or something i i i i sold it and then it was auctioned off for charity i think um and then yeah yeah it was it was auctioned off and then a guy i know bought it from the guy that won it a guy in st louis like a huge fan that's been around for a long time bends his name and um yeah you know no they did not think about putting something in production like that i mean something like this with the different ride heights and uh and uh airbags and stuff like that it would just be such a nightmare for someone like ford to do that i but he's talking about a sport truck i think and i do love the sport truck segment and i i have some ideas for us in the future and i think i don't think it's not that the segment would take off me ford just came out with a lobo yeah um you know i i i think that there's an opportunity to do a sport truck right in the future and give it some horsepower you know i i think i think people really like that and i think now soon is the time to do that so it's something i'm definitely thinking about that was a cool seam i mean that's a very functional seam ability yeah i mean everything i've ever built for cmo is functional oh that's not everybody though you know true what should be uh yamaha bb yamaha bb we already know up to your ass and gasoline we already sort of talked about mucky rally potential for electric off-road yamaha bb says what's your favorite Mustang you've ever driven uh my favorite Mustang that i've ever driven has to be the unicorn uh yeah i mean i just i mean that's a moses to this day the most unbelievable vehicle that we've ever had come come from our ti there uh i do want to give up to your ass and gasoline just a little bit because yeah he's he typed this up okay um i like the potential of off-road vehicles let's forget about the range and how you charge just a fear function of that the the low center gravity weight in off-road and the instant torque phenomenal right think about like being in the sand or being in in situations where like in my race truck i wouldn't be able to toss the car you can't flip i mean you might be able to but i don't believe you could flip a mucky rally it would be hard because the battery is so low so that would be massive massive benefits and then the torque in the wheel control like you could have like i just think about like when i'm at king of the hammers racing going up the rocks just to be able to switch and have low output and just full grip on the rocks but then like when i'm in the desert or get in the sand and i actually need to get wheel speed to get me going the the the the infinite adjustability i think would be phenomenal do you guys not have that in the gas-powered truck like driving modes essentially like you go under the rocks you can hit a button and the throttle is less responsive and then you go right now because my truck right now we don't we do not have that because we are drive by wire we can do that we just have not done it but it but it would not have the same torque control yeah definitely the electric car you could just be yeah i mean no when we've done electric off-roading and rivians the g-wag like they're dope right the difference man i'm talking about like not racing i'm talking about a regular person going up a trail right when you do a gas car even a very good one like a land cruiser or something you know you hear the engine you know a little bit of strain and then you can hear the tires a little bit in the electric car there's there's like no slip yeah it's just whatever is needed makes it you know like you're like your 15-hp drift car oh i need to get 22 horsepower and not 23 yeah it's exactly that much yeah we built the switch gear i don't know if you know that the f-150 lightning switch gear that we built for ford we basically built that and made it have like wrapped wrapped or esk capabilities um and um the low center gravity of the battery in that truck was just made the dynamics unbelievable yeah wide body salami says if musta if ford doesn't make a mustang quote dakar variant would you the shitting and getting baham musta yeah i'd be lying if i didn't tell you i have a concept in my phone of a rally mustang if they don't raptorize it yeah you know you could certainly do it it's definitely something that is of interest to me right now with what we've kind of gotten development on our plate i don't know that it'll be in the next couple years but if no one does it i could say there's a potential that we could do it uh front wheel drive nsx says what's it like working with cletus uh do you make care are you make me just i've i've never met him in person yeah i've texted with him hundreds of times and zack and i are racing and his race in connecticut on july i'm racing at race two july 17 i'm racing at race two yes dude connecticut july 17 staff are you individually doing it i don't know i need to ask questions i don't know that there's a two person race i think we might each be in our own cars i love cletus yeah he seems like a solid individual he interviewed me when he was just first starting like 15 16 always tells me this story he's like he's like dude i was at seaman i was so nervous to meet you and but you were like so cool and and and um and we've just become friends i i met him after that again at holly fordfest um and he had his crown vic and we did some drifting and i literally talked to him this morning we're talking about sick doing some cool stuff so we're gonna see you in july at his race i can't wait to see that's our first time doing it yep yeah it's our first time you don't be a kerbush one one of the races i can't fucking wait to get my ass wow real drivers we guys sharing car we yeah we shared a car and i we won two fierrows hell yeah and so my mom when i was five years old there's a video on my youtube of me giving my mom one of the fierrows we when i was five we used to literally we had we're we're dead broke um i my dad and my mom were not together by living my mom awesome relationship with my dad but living my mom and we just didn't have money and we literally drove a chevette with a blanket over us had a hole in the floorboard so our local radio station was giving away a fierro and it was like 85 87 ish and uh my mom i mean every time tried to win this thing you know and um never did but nonetheless i won this fierro through the race that's my god and i ended up i gave it to my mom i got surprised that's real that's all right she drives it seriously she her tag says winner on it she loves it so much it's the greatest that is fantastic it was so nice nice of uh kurt busch to win that race for you guys yeah i would do pretty good i gave him a good clean car i saved all the nitrous i didn't touch the nitrous button once i did my job i love there's a nitrous button oh my god but then kurt did kind of dirty win but we won win is winning but i'm just talking shit now and i'm gonna lose hard later don't worry dude yeah don't worry i can't wait uh ha bbi autosport uh bon what is your favorite uh one of your favorite formula drift memories um let's just say drifting in general i mean formula drift you know there there's been a lot of i mean you got championships yeah i mean up the ass you got a lot i mean from winning winnings i'll say just in general usa versus japan 2005 was my absolute favorite drift like win thing but formula drift memories i mean from 2004 to like 2007 2008 probably when it got real serious and i told you i started doing mental training and stuff it was we thought we were rock stars or race cars i mean if if you could like if you saw like a cartoon of where formula d showed up and like bounced around those years it would just be like a trail of fire yeah we i mean we we had so much fun those early days i mean barely organized wild west kind of shit he actually did a pretty good job but it was the drivers like you know drifters are you know we i don't want to say the outcast but we're all very like-minded you know like we're the skaters we're the freer spirits of motorsport and it's always kind of been that way i mean you know the hotel furniture would end up in the pool you know like the pool furniture and it was just like it was just a it was a wild time you had a bunch of dudes and they you know early 20s doing sponsorship and you're just having stuff yeah good time so like those early days were were really fun i mean i definitely have a lot of great competition memories over the last 20 years um but USA vs japan was absolutely you know my favorite and again mentioning the book i was just writing this today and reliving this one story i'll share with you in 2005 we brought the Mustang and everyone thought i was crazy and that whole year we had nothing but trouble with the Mustang with the with the motor we were running we were getting a motor from a guy in Canada his name was Sean Highland and he was the guy to build these motors but they just couldn't handle drifting along story short my experience so USA vs japan was at the end of the year we had a new motor Falcon went to Hasselgren you know Hasselgren they built the Toyota Atlantic motors back in the day 4-hs they never built a Mustang motor they first shot built us the highest horsepower NA mod motor ever and that's what i was running so i went into this round of the USA vs japan with no confidence i literally borrowed a car like five of the six rounds of forming the D that year so i had no confidence going into this and my first battle is against Kazama and Kazama is like the previous years D1 champ like the guy and here i am you know a long story short you know i beat this dude and then i went on to win that event and that was like kind of the shot hurt around the world and it was such an impactful event not only for myself but drifting in America and so that to me was a really good memory that's a good one yeah also can anyone beat Dean this year no that guy is a cyborg man when i watch footage of him like wow he's unbelievable unbelievable human unbelievable driver and uh yeah it's it's it's incredible that we have him on the team uh last one find me the squiggles that's a google maps reference okay there have been quite a few action sports stars who's transitioned into motor sports is there something relational between those two things as an athlete or is it more of the relationships with the marketing side and lifestyle brands leading to those opportunities hundred percent with age comes a cage yeah well i started motocross and i skateboarded i rode bmx and so my my belief like when you break down driving your you're just managing weight yeah right it's literally going from motorcycles to cars is an advantage hundred percent the big one because when you when you come off of things like a skateboard and a bike or motocross your weight needs to be in the exact perfect places or you're crashing and so you become an expert like your internal gyrometer becomes so finely tuned your butt dyno just acceleration braking force you become so connected and so when then when you get in a car and you have a cage around you freaking superman so you push even harder than you did before so there's absolutely a connection you know everyone's like oh go karts do go karts i'm like get a dirt bike go ride if you want to do cars go get a dirt bike um carding will make you fast for sure but i don't believe that carding gives you the same understanding of vehicle dynamics as something like a dirt it's probably i think it's very accurate because if you go to a limit in a cart you're spinning you don't ever get to learn well and you find folks if they're very good at drifting or rallying or loose surface driving or motorcycling it's typically backwards compatible with grip driving which is not true the other way yeah you know you could have some carts savant who's good in a formula car they can't fucking do a basic second gear slide you know or or even you know but but but often the other way around well it's because their craft is is about driving at the limit yeah yeah they're scared most of them there there's a lot of outliers i'm not and i'm not discounting anyone but the reality is they put their 10 000 hours and gained the limit and consistently being there they haven't practiced going over it whereas rally drivers motocross drifting you're constantly over the limit so reeling it back in it's more of a mental thing than it is a physical you just have to like remind yourself to not be sliding all the time because it's slow 100 it's not like yeah it's fucking weird but then there's that there's that 10 buffer right where if like 11 percent's over the limit get into 90 percent i find in road racing is very easy that extra 10 percent is freaking scary yeah we work with billy johnson he's one of our test drivers of our of our rtr's yeah and this dude at the 95 to 100 percent unbelievable yeah but when i'm road racing i'm like a 90 percent guy when i get to like 95 100 it's just some feelings that i've not felt and i don't have the confidence that the car is going to stick yeah you know what i mean yeah so unless i'm out trying to you know win a record i'm very happy with driving on a road course at 95 percent i i you know i race for fun for shits and giggles and uh i race with a fucking kid shout out to tato he's 21 he's races in super trafayo and he is fast in a way i can't understand not just that i can't do yeah i have his day i have his logs i've lined them up next to mine i can't understand them you can't understand how he's doing what he's doing dude we're i'm so lucky i was in team with him and tommy kendall and zack is coming and tom's about is about zack's coming to race with us at road america in two two weeks it's gonna be fucking awesome um but dude this kid it was at coda in december was two and a half seconds a lap faster than tommy and he's like 21 what yeah these these fearless and insane and like we're just like yep can't do it i don't know yeah happy to be on the same team as you look at those traces and you're like i feel like i would drive through that wall if i do the same thing as you yeah and it that that's the thing man it's just a you know it's just the you know you've gotten into driving harder yeah recent more recently i'm i'm lucky but i have a lot of practice and you can keep it up and whatever but 10 000 hours man yeah and did that kid used to do sim oh a lot of it still a ton of it sim is that's something talking about backwards compatible i can't drift sim for to save my life i can't either i'm pretty decent at road racing yeah and i'm decent at like you know um uh dirt on i racing like i when i before i go race at cran and i'll just run some laps and stuff but drifting can't do it but the kids that start and sim and get in a drift car forget about it dude oh hero hero minoa this japanese kid who just got picked up for a wrc ride he came to form the d last year he puts in like a thousand laps before we're around he's unbelievable he's he's probably the only person that can be james dean right now wow as long as james having a good day is this case is possible to i mean i'm sure this is a stupid question is there is there a good like drift sim setup that is better than others i don't know because i'm not good i'm not good i am no front like kory really likes it and a set of course is really good but that's the one that depends but like wheel and stuff yeah i try i try to practice for racing on semi suck balls do you yeah i have crashes in a sim that i would never have in a car that's the that is the problem just use it but use it though to just get your eyes that's what i'm going you know just get to follow the track and know what's there it's still very valuable you know did you know that if you can just sit and relax and get in a theta state in your brain right so like pre meditation just just sitting breathing and run laps in your head your brain doesn't know the difference of doing it with a car or not this is part of the mental training so before i show up anywhere i got a hundred laps easy right boom see that and then just helps you memorize all those points yeah because it just makes it familiar so if you guys are doing any of these endurance races like leading into it sure see the track find the marks assume the rough braking points and it just becomes so familiar because that's all you're trying to do is create create calmness in the chaos of racing and that is when you can perform at your best well actually when i went over to the sim to tato's house the other day i the first i said look it's actually going to be more useful for me to watch you run laps and talk me through the braking points than it is for me to sit there and my hands can get through this fucking corner on the day but you tell me okay three board but and you do it a few times and i can i can have it there i know tracks i can have it there and then when i show up in the car i'll be fine yeah and actually that worked huge yeah huge i mean every time ever gone racing i go road racing i go find the fastest do it more many times been tanner fowl shout out tanner to just get those little tips and then i've got tommy kindle yeah he's a such a i love him any splint now what would you do before the crown vic race because you're like now are you downshifting from d to three you know what do we do with the crown vix yeah i think i think i did shift the biggest thing for that race is it's a long race don't race until the end yeah yeah just get through it everyone's everyone's racing the front we all got no front right tire and then you just beep pop and do do do do you stay out of trouble because you know how many laps is this motherfucker i don't know i don't know this right i don't even know it's gonna be so i'm so stoked you're going to have a blast i'm so ready it's gonna be great we're gonna have a blast hell yeah all right new england 900 900 it's what it's called maybe it's 900 cars uh i don't know i can't find it we'll find out number outside of the biggest number do i have to make my flight a day later what are we doing this is what a race i've got myself in has he ever done a proper enduro cleatus not as a driver has he ever hosted one um i mean what's what do you consider enduro how long i don't know six six eight twelve no i don't know that'd be fucking crazy you know there's qualifying there's a monster truck demo of course there is then there's a van race and then there's uh the actual 900 race all right well it doesn't say how many will have this out otherwise i might have to change my flight yeah it's gonna be a good time i i do need to i do need ryan will kill me if i don't tell you about my book that's coming out the ones that look coming out did you know we were doing a book you told me on this show i didn't know that before i had to get you on because i saw your eclectic books you don't get me one but it's like i'm blown i'm sitting here reading it's like a book of the last 20 years and it's it's called ready to rock is it a photo book or a written book it's both okay it's both i wanted to do a coffee table book i felt the time was right to a lot more people are starting to get you know wanting to know more about the brand and so it's called ready to rock which is obviously what rtr stands for for those who don't know and it's dreamed passion and how cool shit wins the story of rtr and so it's been a fascinating process you know mike spinnelli yeah of course we're on unfortunately great oh he's the best man so mike and i have chatted probably for 30 hours over the last couple weeks and i just been dumping my brain to him and he's kind of formatted and gotten away and then i've gone through and literally edited every word and it's from like to start a drift all the way through this current moment with rtr and it's got you really i think my my hope is that it'll be inspiring to some because the reality is like on paper on paper like i'm not the guy to be here why well i you know i dropped out i well i just enjoyed i dropped out of college i you know like like all of those things like with the success i've had in business on paper like the standard dad that's like get a job go to college wow it's it's it's been a very different journey yeah and those those paths rarely lead to like extraordinary those paths lead to like stability but not not extraordinary sure fucking rocking a six four on hydraulics as a first car in high school that leads to extraordinary that's a different story your shit is bouncing in the parking lot between third period yeah you're on some other shit new story i think a lot of people still kind of get lost is like i have i still have people who now are like pushing their kids into this more traditional thing and the world has changed yeah right the resources the abilities that like you know passion is the most powerful attractant in my opinion so if you can find that and just live it and believe it the things that you get from that calm so this has a bit of bit of that philosophy a bit of like the things of how they went down and it's it's really cool and i'm obviously sitting here saying a book about me and my brand is cool but that's not any hard it's hard to go hawk a book about yourself that's tough yeah because you're not you're not like a look at me kind of guy despite the race car and the monster hat totally totally exactly i think i mean i'll do it for like i haven't read the book but i have been a fan of yours and i do think your story from what you've told us on previous experiences is amazing because there's a lot of people that even drive at your level do fd and whatever but you are like in the room with the arguably the largest oam in the world making cars and so you very few very few people have that story at all so i think that's a really original story and it's super impressive yeah thank you yeah i'm down and it's the chapter on tantric sex that really got me yeah it's that yeah and you're talking about that how we import suspension helps how we import suspension helps get that done jr thank you very much bro i appreciate it uh rtr vehicles dot com is actually where you can pre-order the book is that it where can they pre-order this is where we're looking at it now yep where do we get it now i should probably be able to tell people it says available for pre-order now it's true it's your career career career media yeah career books yep all right because we are not doing pre-order but it's on and people will find it people will find it in the show notes um yeah ready to rock that's fucking awesome and mike spinnelly getting the work he's a man i've had so much fun with him dude we love mike spinnelly he's the best uh thank you everybody for listening thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions if you happen to be in um stafford connecticut on july 17th come see jr zack and myself racing in a cletus race apparently it's 900 something i know there's so many of something i don't even know it's like it's like an eighth mile speedway and we're gonna be so dizzy um and uh yeah rtr spec 3 spec 5 the bronco shit part and are some parts available all a cart is accessories at dealers as well yeah cool yeah well we sell parts obviously at the website and then our collaboration vehicles come with four and i'm so pumped yeah that's awesome good for you dude well we don't have to get you in in those yeah i want to try the four cylinder yeah i even asked you about that before i even i texted you like when the story came out about that i was like can i drive that and you're like well we only have the 870 horsepower one now fine i'll take that one yeah we'll get you out we'll get you know but the your your your cars ride drive and stop and handle very very nicely thank you they're very balanced cars and i really i really like that about them um thanks man we'll see you now let's go you now go look at my sparkly let's go and you're and you're mr chrome bronco let's go thanks everybody see you live from charlotte 1010 smoterclub for the heritage invitation we got a live show and that's on thursday and you'll hear it then bye