Jeff Menell Meets World Again

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Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeart True Crime Plus, and subscribe today. so you know uh on our sammy walk susan and i often throw questions at each other and then sometimes the questions are really fun and i bring them here and most of the time they're not You don't hear them, but we had a good one the other day just because unlike most people in the world, the three of us are getting younger. Right, exactly. But if we were getting older and the world around us was changing, if you had the option to look back and bring one restaurant or store that has since closed from your youth back, what would it be? And I'll answer to give you guys a chance to think. Okay. All right. Because mine was easy. I do like this question. Yeah. Blockbuster. Oh, boy. You do. that's so easy for you. It was so easy for me. I want Blockbuster back. I miss walking through the aisles. I miss picking up videos. Well, they were videos at the time. Now that then they became Blu-rays and flipping them over and looking at the cover. I miss the whole action of the new movies came out on Tuesday. I get to go see what's out there. I get, you know, it was a whole thing for me and it was a ritual. So that was mine. Easy bar none. Susan, apparently when she was growing up, there was a store near her where all they did was sell jeans. the whole store and i was like well different types like not like a levi's store no apparently all different types of jeans and i was like well were there shirts and she's like nope it was a store full of jeans i was like okay weird so i'm asking you is there something that you remember from your youth that you're like i want that back bring you back absolutely uh actually weirdly enough it came up this weekend i was at a horror convention no i was at a horror convention and um reconnected with Eli Roth who directed Cabin Fear because we were all there with the cast and we were talking about you know what we're up to or where we're living and he's like you know I mentioned that I live in Highland Park and he goes did you move to Highland Park just so you were hoping they would reopen Highland Grounds and I was like how do you remember and he's like yeah remember Highland Grounds of course that was the best place in all of LA they had I've talked about it on the show I feel like yeah Highland and Melrose it's now changed to like it's been three different restaurants, but it'll never be what it was, which was coffee shop slash bar slash performance space with an outdoor area with fire pits. Yeah. I would go at least once a week. I knew everybody that worked there. I knew the owner. He, the owner is a guy. He still owns Hugo's. Um, yeah. Hugo's tacos. And then Hugo's in the Valley is a pretty good restaurant, but they don't serve what they had at Highland grounds, which was the black bean burger, which is vegetarian. it was my burger i it was like oh so it was like sourdough bread some kind of pepper and then black bean like their homemade black bean patty oh god it was so good guys and they had their fries their hand cut fries you used to do poetry there yeah i did a couple shows there yeah but it was also just you'd go any time of day a day or night if you went at night it would be packed and there'd be live music or live poetry or something. And it was always cool and a cool like bar like space that you could be in as a, somebody who wasn't old enough to drink. It was like, it was like the equivalent of going to a bar for me at 17 or 16. Cause it would be like act, you know, people milling about and art everywhere and conversation. And then I would go during the, in the mornings or during the day by myself and just sit and write on the outside outdoor area. I remember Tarantino apparently wrote like a couple of his scripts there. because apparently he writes like longhand, like, or used to write his scripts by hand. And like, I remember being out there in the Highland Grounds like thing and Tarantino's over in the corner writing. It was like, it was just like the coolest spot in the world. That's a good one. Yeah. I'd like that. I'd like that. That sounds good. Both of you guys had answers that I'm like, ooh, I really like that. I don't even like movies. You know how I feel about art in general. But I, the idea of, because one of the things I don't love about movie watching is the fact that I have to look on my phone to figure something out. What is there to watch? I like the idea and I miss the blockbuster nights where you do go, we're going to watch a movie tonight and you walk into a place and you've got all the covers. I remember the VHS covers all lined up and you get to look at all of them and then pick, Ooh, let's go over here. Let's look at that. You carry a few of them around with you. Then you narrow it down. I loved that. That that is very fun. And then hearing Ryder talk about Highland Grounds reminded me of my place when I was 18, 19, 20, 21 and going out was called The Coffee House. And it was started. Do you remember The Coffee House? It's still I mean, the place is still there now. It's something else. But yeah, it's something else. But the location is still there. Oh, yeah. And it was started by Brent Bolthouse, who was one of the most like famous club promoters at the time. And he had been sober for a very long time. And one of the things that he remembers being hard for him about his sobriety is that people would always want to go to the clubs that were nearby. And then when the clubs would end, everyone would go to after parties. And he he's everything. If you weren't going to go drink or do anything like that, he wanted a place that where you could go as a sober person and still have community and still hang out like that bar vibe, that bar vibe. And so it had indoor outdoor space. They used to do some events there where people could do, you know, spoken words. If you wanted to see Leonardo DiCaprio playing backgammon, that was a good spot to find him. And it was just a similar writer to hearing you talk about Highland Grounds. I knew everyone there. I felt at home there. They had great food. So they were also open during the day. It's not like you had to go there after, you know, 2 a.m., but they were open super late. They were open until, you know, four or five o'clock in the morning for people who used to go to clubs and then want somewhere to go. Right on the Sunset Strip, right? Right on the Sunset Strip. It gives me like when I think back, it's like one of my warm, fuzzy places is the coffee house. The space is still the same. Yeah. It's now it's just a bar with food. I mean, it's actually not bad. So it's much more of a bar, you know, traditional. But the space still, what they redesign, how they redesign that space with the outdoor area, it's still there. I just went there a couple months ago after a friend's movie premiere. Yeah, it's like, it's still a cool space. Okay, good. I love how both of your places, oh, I was going to say, I just love how both of your places are designed for socialization. And mine is designed to stay by myself in my house. So accurate. I do want to go on record as saying, Will, this is a question that I think about probably every 40 to 50 minutes. Are you serious? Which Danielle, oh yeah, Danielle knows that when we drive down the street, she can tell you what I do. Jensen's, one of Jensen's favorite things to do is when he has time, randomly get off on an exit 10 to 15 minutes away from our house and take Ventura just to comment on what's closed. Yes, that's a great way to spend some time. This used to be that. Wow, look at that. That's out of business now, huh? Yes, I do the same thing. Oh, well, Jensen and I are stuck carpooling. It'll be fine. We'll get to everywhere a half hour late, but it'll be great. I figured you were going to say Ruby. Is it sadness and regret or is it kind of joyful? Oh no, I'm just business reporting. Yeah. There's no emotion attached to it at all. It's mostly just the way he said, the way he will let you know everyone who's died. That's how he does with businesses. Dead. That business is dead. I will get, I will get RIP insert a name here from Jensen. And then 10 minutes later, Apple News announces the person is dead. I'm like, is Jen's just walking from a convalescent room to convalescent, just holding people's hands? He's got Death Star. And like, it's like putting his, yeah, he's putting a mirror in front of them and be like, okay, Robert Duvall's dead. Okay, I will say this started as a bit with you guys. Like, obviously it was funny that I would do it. And I'm not going to say who the celebrities are, but Danielle can tell you that in the last two or three months, I have known about celebrity deaths before they publicly were announced. Before they even know they were dead. Terrifying. I know in five minutes. Oh my God. I just hope that when I die, he lets you guys know the same way. All right. Daniel Fisher. On our podcast. Our friend, your wife. Yeah. Just, I just, it just happened. There's no other place in the middle of the night when I wake up at 2am from, you know the boys yelling our name or something where i can just lean over and write rest in peace robert carradine oh oh that was a tough one revenge of the nerds yeah oh man yeah but oh god it's so it's so much just like bing and i see jensen's name like somebody died like here we go who is it somebody died or we've got an ad read which one is it someone's dead nope it's just a viari yeah exactly either robert duvall has died or we have a better health ad welcome to pod meets world i'm danielle official i'm rider strong and i'm will fredell next monday our 2026 i heart podcast awards are happening live at south by southwest this is the biggest night in podcasting we'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative talent and creators in the industry and the winner is creativity knowledge and passion will all be on full display. Thank you so much, iHeartRadio. Thank you to all the other nominees. You guys are awesome. Watch live next Monday at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific, free at veeps.com or the veeps app. Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the is-ness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must-listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. On the Adventures of Curiosity Cove podcast, what if the right fit isn't what everyone expects? In the case of the right fit, Ella explores movement, confidence, and belonging, and learns that not all strength looks the same. Tennis is powerful, fast, focused, and kind of fun. Strong swing, Ella! This Women's History Month story introduces kids to women who change sports by trusting themselves and moving differently. A thoughtful episode about identity, courage, and helping kids discover where they truly belong. So it's okay if I'm not quite sure what my thing is yet. It's absolutely okay. When and if you do find a sport you love, you may be the next Gertrude, Tony, or Venus. At Curiosity Cove. Listen to Adventures of Curiosity Cove every Monday from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield from The Girlfriends. the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the centre of their own stories. I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on the Girlfriends Spotlight. I want to introduce you to Sylvia. I'm going to climb this. And then there's Vaisaka. Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives. Leila dared to ask the question. Is badness hereditary? And finally, we'll meet Rosamund. If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived, she wouldn't have died on that fatal night. You'll even get to meet my mum in that one, who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground. I'm not too intimidated by her. What are you talking about? Listen to The Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life, the good, the bad, and the sisterhood. With your hosts, me, Gia Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Rush, the recruitment, the ritual, the reality of Greek life has been a mystery for those outside the sorority circles until now. Is it really a supportive sisterhood that's simply misunderstood? Or is there something more scandalous happening on campuses across the country? In this podcast, we pledge to peel back the layers and spelled the truth one Greek letter at a time. Pledges and actives, rush chairs and ritual keepers. Some call it the best time of their life, while others say it's a nightmare. From a perfect rush to recruitment scandals, what is really going on behind the doors of those sorority houses from Alpha to Omega? We're taking you inside sorority row, including the chapter room, as we explore the fellowship in the frenemies. Let's get dirty. Listen to Dirty Rush on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There was absolutely no universe where the three of us could close out the Boy Meets World episode recaps without welcoming back one of the only faces we saw through the show's entire run, or at least a face we were always happy to see. He joined the show in season one, a childhood friend of Michael Jacobs, who had already made a career out of writing about TV and movies, Boy Meets World finally gave him the opportunity to start making some himself. Why don't you just move to LA and try it out? Turned into seven seasons, over 11 scripts with his name on the cover, a producing title and an eventual Emmy nomination for his work on Girl Meets World. It doesn't matter who we asked to do the podcast. If you worked behind the scenes on Boy meets world. And we mentioned Jeff Minnell. You smile. This teddy bear not only contributed countless legendary moments to the show, including the quintessential And Then There Was Sean episode, but he was also a crucial addition to the spirit and well-being of the writer's room. And he continues to spearhead the camaraderie of the show even 30 years later. He's always a phone call away, not only to us, but to anyone who shares the IMDb credit of our cult classic TGIF sitcom. I hate to think this term downgrades his importance to the creativity of the show because he was vital to its heartbeat. But if Boy Meets World had a mascot, it's Jeff Manel. So to talk to us about the end of the show and hopefully answer some questions we have about season seven, a time when he wrote two episodes, the already recapped Angela's Men and the soon to be broken down The Provider. It's a rare lifer who worked on more Boy Meets World episodes than Will Friedle or Danielle Fishel. It's Jeff Minnell. Hey, guys. How you doing? How you doing? How you doing? How you doing? You guys look great. So do you. Oh, you got the season three Boy Meets World framed behind you. I've got mine, too. Very important. Cute. That's season three. I know. So isn't that the one where Alex is with us? So wasn't didn't Alex in season three? Yeah. Was he only in one season? one season. I feel like he was there much longer than that. I know. His presence felt like he was there for longer, but no. I think we've all decided he was definitely the most underutilized, wasted potential for a character on our show. We just didn't really know what to do with him. We brought him in to add a little cool factor, and we did. But maybe everyone else looked less cool because of him. I don't know. It is true that between him and Tony together, they had like a real cool 20s guy vibe you know and there's like that one episode where they were double dating or whatever it's like a B story with just them it's only one and it was a good one he was a great guy he still is a great guy writer and will we all just actually saw him not that long ago he came to one of my Dancing with the Stars episodes oh really that was very sweet of him he came and we got to spend some time with him it was great to see him you were amazing by the way thank you i know i told you uh via email you did you always you always send me sweet wonderful supportive emails i don't get yeah well there's a reason oh my god i don't do something i got that one letter you sent me that was a handwritten letter that just said hey will then you'd spit and then you just put it in the thing and that was it I was like, wow. That sounds like a lot. I'll send you stuff. I've been better with leaving my house. I know you. I know you. That's true. So, Jeff, thank you so much for coming back on the podcast. The streets have been talking and they wanted a Manel visit before we wrapped up the show recaps So here we are giving the people what they want You could just replay my last visit No we going to That's how this one goes, right? All right, good. Let's talk about guys. That's good to see you. Oh, good. We always love seeing you. We actually we are due to have a lunch. Yeah. More sushi. Yeah. OK. I mean, you guys are busy. I'm busy now, but, you know, not like you. So tell us about your busyness. Grandkids. Yeah. I have a granddaughter. They live with us. Oh, yeah. So that's been an event. And, uh, but it's, uh, yeah, I won't, I won't go too long. Your audience doesn't care about this, but it's great. I see her every morning. She's so much fun. She's a, she's really, how old is she now? Eight months. Oh, wow. So yeah, my, my grandson's nine months. So they'd be besties. Oh man. Yeah. That same age. Yeah, right around there. Is she crawling yet? You know, army crawling. Yes. He started that, and then two days later, now you can't stop him. He's all over the place. Yeah, she can get across the floor, but she doesn't know how to use her knees yet. Right. She's skittering. She's skittering. She can climb up on me, and she's very cute. It has elevated our lives, so it's nice. That's so fun. I want to talk to you. What do you remember about season seven? Well, thanks for coming That's what I told Jensen I go, my memory isn't as sharp as it was Last time and it wasn't that sharp I remember We knew it was going to be our last season I believe a couple of seasons Prior to that We were worried that was going to be our last season Because we weren't sure Ben wanted to do it anymore He had a moment of thinking I don't know He got into college and then he deferred for a year For Stanford So he was going to leave season 6 and you know he knew and we all wanted to wrap it up you know in a nice way because a lot of shows don't get a chance to do that so I mean I think we knew early on I think we knew probably in season 2 you guys were going to get married Corey and Topanga and this show this season you know I mean there was a lot more I just watched a bunch of episodes because I have not seen it in 30 years and the wedding one I have to say the wedding one is just great that's they are yeah you know sean and cory's fight you know you're you're lying you know sean's poor you're so funny in the yeah it was a good episode that tense serious moment it was just that that's great it was great to see willie up there you know i watched a lot of my watch and i go boy i don't remember any of that but this one i i of course remember and uh but there was some of them that I go, Ooh, that's so serious, which is why we then did like will in the couch. You want me to count? Yeah. Right. And thank God for that, you know, because that one was, I mean, that was ridiculous. Oh my gosh. That's that. It was fun though. That was, that was like a fun kind of rompy episode. But you said that you knew, we all knew going in that it was going to be our last season, but we also only got picked up for 13. So was that. For the last season. Yeah. Well, originally we were picked up for 13 and then we got picked up for our back nine like halfway through the season. Is that? I believe you. Why would they only pick us up for 13 episodes for the last season when we were doing so well? Because we thought we were done. Yeah. They said that we were only going to do 13. And then because Ryder and I started to do our fake documentary for the party. And then when we got picked up for our back nine, we got to put it on the kind of the back burner and we got to hold off for a while. So then I guess my next question isn't going to matter, which was the last step of the very last episode of the season. was that originally supposed to be episode 13, I guess, was what I was going to ask. Well, that's a good question. I'm assuming, when do we get the back nine order? Because we would have moved everything up had we known that. Because the wedding was, what, episode seven, I guess, right? So maybe, I wonder if that was going to be the end. I mean, that would have been a pretty good finale if that's all we had going. But yeah, well, I feel bad. you should be the guest today will because i don't remember i don't remember that at all i i believe you again you know and i'll i have no one i can really show i can check with michael i suppose but um yeah i don't remember when we got the word for the back nine but i'm glad we did because the wedding was great but the finale finale the last two-parter was you know so necessary and i thought perfect especially you know last scene i mean oh yeah we all get to see you guys say goodbye I remember, you know, starting to tear up a little bit at the memory of just watching you guys say goodbye to Feeney and we're saying goodbye to the show. I mean, that's a big, big, big chunk of my life and obviously your guys life. So I'm glad ABC was smart enough to give us the full season. Yes. Yeah. You had taken a really big risk moving out to Los Angeles and, you know, hoping the show takes off and then it does. And then, you know, seven seasons is obviously what showrunners and producers dream of. Were you still having fun at this point? Like, do you remember every day going into the office and just, even though you knew it was going to be the end and you were ready to wrap it up, were you having fun every day? Every day. Okay. Every once in a while. Overall. Every once in a while. You know, the hours, I don't remember the hours so much. Like, like, you know, on Girl Me Twirl, our hours were horrible. On Girl Me Twirl, we would have a lot of late nights, but I don't remember ever working like on weekends, on Sundays, but we might've. Listen, yeah, it was a lot. It was, we always had fun. The writer's room, in the writer's room, is where the most fun, but also it can get really intense. And when you're there late trying to fix a script that wasn't quite working or whatever, that's not so much fun. But the dynamic at the writer's table is there's, someone's always being made fun of in a horrible, humiliating way. That's, you know, I'm not gonna say it was mostly a get me, but you know, it was a pretty easy target. So that part was fun. And, you know, I mean, these are some of my closest, you know, my, you know, Matt was my closest friend at the time, Michael and, and Tishler and all these people, Gary Miller, Barry Savage. Yeah. Now you have to name everybody, but you know, I know you better name everyone's you don't want to get angry texts. I love them all. Patty, Laura, Alice, Barbie and Erica. and Carmers. That is the whole room, right? You got everybody just named her. You know, the Kraken directing and Rusty directing and Jerry Levine. That season, there was a lot of directors, I think. Yeah, we did. I think Kevin Tracy got one, which I was so happy about. Steve got one as well. I think the season was like, all right, let's spread the wealth. And, you know, there were some great episodes. You know, I did like the stylized one where you guys were talking about the wedding. We don't know who you were talking to. And at the end, it reveals it to everybody. But what was that look? No, the eye that I do in the episode. Remember that? Yeah. There was some great moments. It felt very satisfying. And, you know, it did feel like it was time for the show to end, to be honest. You know what I mean? And obviously would I have taken another season? Sure. I had nowhere else to go. You know, I liked the job and I loved you guys and it was great, but it didn't feel like, oh man, they're pulling the plug on us. This was like, they gave us the opportunity to do a great full season and, and it could not have ended better. I mean, iconic. So. Yeah. I always feel like we weren't canceled. The show ended. Yeah. And those are two very different things in television. I were like, we got to so few shows, first of all, in the history of television get to go seven seasons and then to have an actual last episode where you get to say goodbye to the audience that's really rarefied air in television so yeah that's something that was that i always look back as very special too i can think of like five or six shows mostly dramas but a couple comedies like a marital and more show where the ending was it was just it was just perfect it just really felt yeah right for the audience and for us and it's big shows too it's seinfeld cheers friends i mean these are the shows that got the actual chance to say goodbye to their audience. And it is something that's, yeah, really special. You know, I won't tell the side story, but there's one show that got canceled. I think it was called something like I Married Dora. They were canceled in the first season, but they came in and they basically said on air, we've just been canceled. Yes, I've seen that, yeah. I thought that was really nice of the network to let them do that. None of them have worked since. Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening live at South by Southwest. This is the biggest night in podcasting. We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative talent and creators in the industry. And the winner is... Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. Thank you so much, iHeartRadio. Thank you to all the other nominees. You guys are awesome. Watch live next Monday at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific, free at veeps.com or the Veeps app. Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like are misunderstood. A sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. On the Adventures of Curiosity Cove podcast, what if the right fit isn't what everyone expects? In the case of the right fit, Ella explores movement, confidence, and belonging and learns that not all strength looks the same. Tennis is powerful, fast, focused, and kind of fun. Strong swing, Ella. This Women's History Month story introduces kids to women who change sports by trusting themselves and moving differently. A thoughtful episode about identity, courage, and helping kids discover where they truly belong. So it's okay if I'm not quite sure what my thing is yet. It's absolutely okay. when and if you do find a sport you love, you may be the next Gertrude, Tony, or Venus. At Curiosity Cove. Listen to Adventures of Curiosity Cove every Monday from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends, the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the centre of their own stories. I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on the Girlfriends Spotlight. I want to introduce you to Sylvia. I'm going to climb this. And then there's Vaisaka. Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives. Leila dared to ask the question. Is badness hereditary? And finally, we'll meet Rosamund. If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived, she wouldn't have died on that fatal night. You'll even get to meet my mum in that one, who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground. I'm not too intimidated by her. What are you talking about? Listen to the Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life, the good, the bad, and the sisterhood. With your hosts, me, Gia Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Rush, the recruitment, the ritual, the reality of Greek life has been a mystery for those outside the sorority circles until now. Is it really a supportive sisterhood that's simply misunderstood? Or is there something more scandalous happening on campuses across the country. In this podcast, we pledge to peel back the layers and spell the truth one Greek letter at a time. Pledges and actives, rush chairs and ritual keepers. Some call it the best time of their life, while others say it's a nightmare. From a perfect rush to recruitment scandals, what is really going on behind the doors of those sorority houses from Alpha to Omega? We're taking you inside sorority row, including the chapter room as we explore the fellowship in the frenemies. Let's get dirty. Listen to Dirty Rush on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Season six ends with a cliffhanger. Will they or won't they get married? Do you remember, was that a specific ploy to try and get a season seven? Or did you already know we had a season seven and we just wanted the audience to be in the cliffhanger? That's a good question. Was it a ploy? You know, it's funny. As far as I remember, I don't ever remember us being renewed more than one season at a time, number one. And I don't think it was ever a quick pickup. I mean, not that we were nervous. I felt a lot of times we were confident it was coming, but they they would wait and wait, I guess, to see if anything else was doing better. Yeah. We were doing great. Was that a ploy? I think that we just always like to have sort of a bit of a cliffhanger, especially when we became more, you know, the arc was built. You know, we, we, we wanted you guys to be together to get married. So I think that was just a natural end for a season was, I mean, it's a good way to end a season. I love, you know, if people were thinking of coming back, they're going to come back, you know? And I also didn't remember, but I just rewatched the, the one where maybe it was the one before the wedding where you guys had Corey to panga.com and you guys talked to the audience. I forgot about that. That was great. Well, maybe now is a really good time to tell you. We have purchased Corey and to panga.com. We seriously. Yeah. It's ours. I was just going to try to go on and see what happened. It'll take you to pod meets world. How'd you come up with that idea? That's great. Yeah, when we got to the episode, we saw Corey and Topanga dot com. Jensen was like, what does that do? And it was available for sale. So Jensen reached out to him and got a price and came back to us. We did a little negotiation and we are now the proud owners of Corey and Topanga dot com. We should do some purpose of this podcast was to get that. Yes, exactly. What happened when we went on it back then? I mean, straight hardcore pornography. OK, yeah, yeah. So, no, no. Isn't that where supposedly the poll was? Yeah, it was a poll to vote. To vote on whether or not Cori and Topanga should get married. Should get married. Yeah. And I think it was there. Overwhelmingly that we should. Well, they should. And I think it was their wedding invitation too, right? It was. It's like the invitation popped up and then you got to vote on whether or not. And it had all the details like accommodations and registry. Like it had, it was like a full wedding website before wedding websites even existed. Yeah. They just started, you know? So, I mean, I think when your show started, it was when I first got, I remember getting AOL. Oh yeah. In 1994. Still have it. Oh my gosh. It's last me too. Yeah. Do me well. That's it. Still have it. It's just us and my mom. I love it. Could you tell her to stop emailing me, please? So one of the things that we often talk about are that we're seeing quite a bit. And I'm curious if this there was a reason for this, if there's any discussion about it. But season seven, essentially, everybody's characters are different. Topanga is not a hippie at all anymore. There's nothing hippie, hippie about her. Ben is, you know, kind of like playing an old Jewish man. Eric is out of his tree. So there's it seems kind of like the characters were a little bit thrown just to pasture. And it was kind of, let's just go have fun. Was that an actual discussion you remember having? Or was that just kind of what happened in season seven? I think that's kind of what happened. I think it had something to do with you guys, your maturity in human form. You know, you got a little older, you got a little more mature. The characters developed, it was a little more serious tone to the whole season, except for some silliness with you, thank God. But I mean, I know you didn't like being that dumb. it's early in like season four or five, but having that element to, to rely on, like, I mean, thank God for some B stories that were just so ridiculous, you know, lucky penny and jumping out of the picture and yeah, you know, and, and, but I, no, there was nothing, there was nothing like, Hey, let's make them all different. No, there was none of that. It's also this is how you guys performed. I mean, you know, it's what you brought to the table was you, you were a little more mature as performers and as actors and your characters were so well developed. I think you could maybe go a little further than you used to also know it's last season. Maybe it was just a natural thing. Just write it, you know? Yeah. Have fun. Yeah. Have fun. But I mean, was there ever any pushback? Did anybody in the room ever say like Topanga would never have a Southern plantation wedding? I'm sure that was said, you know, I'm sure there's, listen, there's always dissension and discussion. Yeah. And Michael always wins. You know what I mean? Whatever it was, whatever happened on there meant that at some point Michael goes, this is what I want. You know what I mean? Right. Or someone did talk him into it and maybe he regretted it afterwards, but yeah, the Southern plant days thing. I don't know what that was about. That was just to have ugly, that everyone will hate the dresses is a little bit in wedding craziness time. So, you know, you guys always ask me about the discussions that were had. I don't remember many discussions. Yeah. I'm thinking about lunch. most of the day, honestly. And then to get the run through and what time are we going to order? If we ordered dinner, that means it's going to be a horrible night. Did we order dinner? Oh, no. Did you? Okay. So then did you know during run through whether or not you'd be ordering dinner? Well, we would have a little side bet. A lot of times we would say we're in great shape. I mean, you know, the network loved it. None of us are taking a lot of notes. Even Michael's acting notes to you guys didn't take an hour. It was only a half hour. so we'd go we're in good shape and then if we go up and he goes all right let's get let's see the menus we would all go come on but then we'd order something good um kookaroo and then the kookaroo sometimes you can tell you know and if michael had something to do here's the one beautiful thing about season seven that the other writers are grateful to me and barry and me michael and barry and and bob tischer start playing tennis doubles tennis and he would want to go play during the week. And so if the script was in halfway good shape, we'd come back and do a half hour rewrite. Oh, I love that. And then go play tennis. The other writers kept saying, wow, look at the beautiful tennis weather out there, you know, and. That's why our characters were thrown out the window, Will. That's the answer. There it is, tennis. It was just like, do we need to figure out why this character is doing that? Let's just go play as a game. No, it's fine. There's a cloud in the sky. Let's go play. We don't have to eat dinner here. We could go play tennis. I got that. That is the answer. It got better. I lost a few pounds. Yes. That's what it was. Good for your health, your mental health. You got some vitamin D. Just tank the show. But the show was off anyway. It was off anyway. Let's just go play some tennis. Final season. We have six brilliant seasons. I just see you guys all wearing like those little sweatbands on your arms. And it's just like getting, oh, yep. Let's go hit the. Oh, I love tennis. Oh my God. Oh yeah. Well, yeah, I didn't look too good, but you know, they uh it was fun I bet you did I love tennis Wow Oh I love that Did you uh ever write a full length horror movie script I feel like that would have been something you had your eyes set on every hiatus Well thank you Because the scream you mean The scream episode? Yeah. Well, actually, before I came out to William's World, I wrote a serial killer movie that was really, really, really dark. And I sent it to Michael. I was never trying to get a job on one of the shows. He was someone I knew in Hollywood. Could give you constructive feedback yeah but he that one I remember he liked that one but he tried to turn into a weird comedy and I said no no this guy has to kill that baby you know it was very very dark killing the baby nice and when there's four meets well it was a natural progression but since then no I've written some couple dark comedies but nothing nothing really hard I know it is funny that episode I told you I think I wrote it in a day even though I had a live pretend it took me two weeks Michael got mad and he goes how far are you? I go I'm almost done he goes well you better not be I go no I'm kidding I was done that one just that was fun and easy to write but we're not going to talk about that one right now but I've written other I've been working 10 years on one movie one of those what that's like Ryder knows what that's like so I mean I keep tweaking it but nothing's going to happen it's more for me at this point I'm retired I'm happy I expect nothing to happen Ryder wants to read it I do what yeah is it a comedy yeah it's dark comedy we'll talk off the off the air okay i don't know we could do a podcast live read we could all take a part yes oh god we could we could do you you guys i would that would be kind of cool because you guys are real actors but i told you the writers used to read the parts in the room and that was i was horrible except for you know Matt was a good actor. Which part were you? Did you have a part? It was never the same. It was like, you know, whoever the writer said, they do the cast. You play this part, you know, I don't know. You were Lily's Morgan, but not Lindsay's. No comment on that. I was whoever wasn't in the script that week. That's the right. Right. But yeah. All right. Yeah. Right. I'll send it to you if you want to read it. Sure. Yes. It's a take off on It's a Wonderful Life. I'll leave it at that. Oh. You mentioned killing a baby in the script, which brings me to a question about the baby on our show. Until they brought up a fourth kid on one of the episodes watching, I forgot. So did we. Because why did we spend so much of season six focused on the pregnancy, the baby, the birth, the emotions, the growing family, the changes? And then season seven, it was like, everyone was like, that was a terrible idea. Why did we throw a baby into the mix? Why is the baby just gone? Gone. Yep. Maybe. I'm assuming the writers begged. Yeah. Okay. I mean, it was a very serious, you know, you know, I'm sure that was Michael. Michael, you know, Michael has a lot of it would replicate life. You know, Michael had four kids and they had an issue. Remember, we had the baby was in ICU, right? And yeah, yeah. Born premature. Michael had that situation. So, you know, I mean, sometimes you also just maybe to come up with some new storylines. Amy and Betsy having a baby. Maybe that's interesting. We probably thought that could be interesting. and then it really wasn't I also just think you know having a baby on set you either have a doll that looks so fake and you're dealing with that or you're dealing with really specific hours and you know on set like you know laws regarding yeah Eminem rattles all this kind of stuff although we just watched an episode where we did have another baby the neighbor woman shows up with a baby and that was a real baby and then Michael's kid came in well all of Michael's kids were in this season that's why season 7 yeah that's why they all existed so they came with his kids on the show not Danny I think he was too young or maybe Danny was in the final season he came out who plays the kid in the hallway who says I see dead people that's Danny and then he also is Joshua he's Joshua at the end which is very confusing for our viewers I think. Yes. Because they're like, why is the kid who is seeing dead people come back as the baby brother? Also, why is the baby five in like a year? All right, listen. I don't know. You know, just be grateful we didn't focus on that in season seven because it didn't lead to a lot of comedy. I know. It doesn't lead to a lot of comedy. You're right. Having a baby is, yeah, agreed. And you're right. It is funny. I didn't even think about the fact that, like, Michael wanting the Matthews family to have four kids because his family had four kids. Yeah. Okay. Then was Michael, you know what I mean? So there's, you know, it just, it lent itself to some stories I suppose, but yeah, I'm glad we got rid of the baby. Yeah. Except for mentioning it, you know, correct. Four children. Yeah. Yeah. We were so happy you and you mentioned him as well to see Willie Garson in the wedding episode we were wondering if you just had any fun stories or anecdotes about willie or his relationship with michael or you know we we love him and every time we've seen him on the show it's been uh joyous to see so we we love willie stories i love willie anytime i see him on anything i just i always go ah willie you know me and matt saw him we were at a me and matt went to see a movie and all of a sudden we'd see Willie and his son come out. And we'd just talk for about an hour. So Willie was just a great presence. He was such a great character. He was not unlike the characters he played. He's just such a nice, lovable guy. I knew him. I think I told you this. It's weird. My parents bought his parents' house in Jersey. But this was before Willie was even born. Wow. So I knew his parents before Willie was born. I didn't know Willie so much as a kid until he came out here, but, uh, but he's been friends with Michael forever, you know, and then he came out here and he's had such a, he had such a great career. It was just, it was so sad. He was, I didn't even know he was sick. When, when I got the word Matt texted me, it was Willie passed away. I go, what? And we just seen him. I had no idea he was sick. So it's just this guy, I mean, on sex in the city and just so many other things. Uh, he was just great. Yeah. He's special. He feels like a little bit of a good luck charm for boy meets world. You know, He was. I mean, I loved having him on the show and he directed an episode to a boy, but he did a girl. He did a girl. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, when he worked for Alan at the store, he's just he's just funny. He's just he's just and he would come up to the writer's room a lot because he was just so comfortable, you know, which is sort of Sanker Sank. But Willie being in there was like, I don't know if he pitched, but he would just sit there and bring a good energy. So, yeah, I love the guy. Miss him. That's cool. Yeah. Now, at this point in season seven, you had seen many writers come and go. The core originals are even long gone, but Manel remains. Was it like a prison yard? Did people have to bring you cigarettes to survive? Like, well, you know, what was what was the feeling like in the room? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, some of us were there for a long time. Yeah. I was there right from day one. But mostly, you know, this is going to sound self-deprecating. I just had no aspirations. I mean, I never wanted to leave. I didn't know people did that. Honestly, you know, when I came out here, I didn't always like to be a TV writer. I was just so happy to have the job. And every time we got picked up, you know, like you said, I had fun every day. No, there was a lot of misery and a lot of dysfunction and a lot of, you know, just weird stuff that will never be disclosed. But I told you in the writer's room, the writers know more about you than my wife does. Honestly, they know certain stories that would never get revealed to your mates just because that's the way it is. so new people came in and it was always kind of like oh i wonder what this is gonna be like but it was never like oh we don't like that writer it was people left mostly on their own accord occasionally some people just weren't brought back but every year the writers room was like oh this is a great right yeah i'm like oh this is a great writers i mean obviously the original for me was i was so new and everyone was like so experienced and i was just happy to have to be accepted and the the final writers room was i mean matt yeah matt was there and tishler i'm not going to rename everyone but that group was a great group and and everyone they were all good writers and we all were we're all in a groove by that point everyone knew what what to do with uh the characters and we had dynamics and you know you know whenever we want to you know mike we had a role going and then michael goes oh i'm gonna go take this call we go oh no there goes all momentum. It was, it was all the shared misery and joy and love. And, you know, but there was a real, probably more bonding on the final season just because knowing, well, this is really it, you know? And so I'm not going to see these people every day for a while. And it was a long while before I saw any of them, you know? I know, I know you loved everybody, but over the years, since you were there for the entire time, who was the writer you were saddest to see leave? Oh, that's a good question. Well, I mean, obviously, I was close friends with Howard and Mark. But I mean, I knew they were going to leave at some point just because they were really on the train. Right. They were doing well. This guy was, I guess, maybe not brought back after. And he was such a funny, interesting guy. And I really liked him. And he was an experienced writer. I forget what show he had been on. But he brought a really unique, quirky, did not fit in so well with the whole rest of the room. But for me, that was a charm. And he was really so nice. He tried to make me vegetarian one day and I got sick. Oh, that'll never work. You know what? You got sick? We went out to a vegetarian restaurant, me, him, and Howard, and I actually got sick. But anyway. Oh, my gosh. That's what happens when you try to eat vegetarian. That's exactly what happens. I think we thought he was dressed up as a chicken because the people from Kukuru were coming to visit us because we ordered from them so much. The president of Kukuru came. Oh, my gosh. Glenn is walking down behind us on the lot with a sign saying, you know, save chickens. And how do we not know this story? I love this guy. Oh, my gosh. Michael was outraged. We were sort of in awe. He had such nerve. Oh, this is another story. This is a good word of the story. So we're writing. and this used to be in Bob Young's office this year for whatever we were writing Bob Young. We come back, we go out. I think we had lunch at the commissary. We come back and Glenn is in there and he just has like a girl sitting with him on the couch. Doesn't explain it. Like he brought a date to the writer's room. It was like, no one knew what to do with it. He's pitching and we're all going. Who is she? Oh, this is the best. I mean, she left there for an hour, but he was really. Did she say goodbye? I want to imagine, like, did she go, all right, guys, bye. It was good. And you guys were like, who are you? We just went by and we all look at Glenn. I don't think anyone really addressed Glenn. Like, what was that? He was just really funny. So I felt bad and sad that he was gone. I haven't really spoken to him since, but he was a great guy. Was he only there for one season? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously, the chicken costume sealed the deal with Michael. Michael was like, how dare you ruin my chances with the president of Kukuru? oh that's kind of great three times a week uh honestly oh we know we we remember kookaroo is a forever boy meets world memory for me i hear they're bringing it back what do they still exist no no it hasn't existed for a long time is this just in your dreams or where did you actually maybe i did i heard i don't you don't have to prove it okay i do yes you do okay i'm waiting for jensen to tell me because i know jensen was one of the jensen was one of the people i think who had read it. Actually, Jensen said Glenn Mercer looks like he did two seasons. He did seasons two and three. He had two in season two and one in season three. Okay. Oh, okay. Oh, so he came late in season two and came... That's right. And Kukuru announced, get clucking ready. A year ago. What the cluck does that mean? And it's been a year. So I've been clucking ready this entire time. I'm going to be clucking pissed if this doesn't happen. Come on. Glenn Mercer wrote a book all about food. Food is climate. Glenn Mercer did? Yes. And he's written like a health books. We should have him on our show. I'm already working. Jensen's on it. Oh, yeah. I'd be curious what his take on Moivy's world was, especially, you know. Have him on if you could. We will. We will get to the bottom of this for sure. Get clucking ready, though. That was a year ago and all the comments are like, i've been waiting a year and now i'm crushed my when are you guys opening already any updates so it's been it was 2024 when they announced that i distinctly remember the flavor of kookaroo oh it was amazing i can remember like in a way that i don't think of other foods as completely agree i don't know what that is i can taste it and i'm not normally one of those people where like smells or tastes bring me back necessarily to a moment i can taste it and it's it's spectacular Yeah. Yeah. The rest of this podcast talking about food. Cause I have, are you hungry? Let's order. Let's order. Let's get the menu. Let's get dinner. Let's get tennis. No, not dinner. I know Jensen talked to you about this while prepping this show. And we wanted to know what the couch scene, the tag, what the couch scene was supposed to be. Had we not all ruined it? And like us, you had no idea. I should have looked up the old script. I'm sure I have it somewhere. But obviously, I knew we were, you know, well, that was the crazy episode with Eric. Yes. Jumping out of the painting. And, you know, it just kept building and building and building. We had to do something. I just assumed it was going to be just to scare the hell out of those guys and them jumping off. And that was going to be it. But, you know, we were having trouble getting off the couch. And things were just led to. I couldn't get my legs out. That's what everybody always asks me, like, what started it? And you see me just trying to get up, and it was Velcroed. Yes. So I'm, like, in this thing, and the bottom half from, like, waist down is Velcroed. And I don't think, we obviously didn't rehearse with it throughout the week. Can I also say something? Your arms are inside the couch, obviously. So you can't lift yourself. You can't use anything for leverage to help yourself up. That's all core strength, and I got none of that. So it was, like, trying to kick my legs out. And then as I'm trying to get up, I almost fall into everybody. You can see me like Ryder, like takes a step back. And so because of that, then by the time I stood up, I was done. Like it was just getting up with such a chore. So I knew we weren't getting through it. As you were getting off the ground, I thought Ryder was going to break right there, but then it came back. But then, then you guys broke. And then I think there was so, I don't think we ever got to whatever was originally written. That's our question. Did we ever shoot it? Where'd the scene go? I don't think we did. I mean, honestly, there's no way of knowing that. I just don't remember ever seeing what the finale was. I'll find the original script to see what it was supposed to be. Yes, please. Well, I mean, that was our question is, do you think Michael would have let us leave without at least getting one take all the way through? Yeah, when was the decision made? You know what? This is better than any trying to piece me or see today. I'm sure that was in editing because, you know, when you go to editing, you know, let's see every take. And then, of course, probably there was only one take. without you guys laughing that sucked. And we'd probably just say, well, it's just, I think it's the only show where we ever did outtakes, right? Actually, no, there was one other with Michael's kid. So yeah, in The Honeymoon is Over with Danny. Yes, outtakes. The tag is outtakes of him saying, I see dead people and then looking out and going, I did it! I did it! I remember that. Oh yeah, all right, that's fun. Yeah, but you guys laughing outtakes, I was just laughing because it was just so much fun to see. I just love when people break up. I love out there. Yeah, me too. We do, too. It's so much fun. But do you remember it being fun on the night? Or was it? That's the question. I'm sure that was a pre-tape day. I'm sure that was a pre-tape day. It was not. No, that was the audience. That was the audience. Trina wanted to leave. Trina had a fight. Trina, she had a flight, and she was ready to go, and she was not happy. Yeah, she's the only one who doesn't laugh through the whole bloopers. Is that true? I'm going to be watching. She had somewhere to go and a plane to catch. And she was like, guys, get it together. I'm not going to make it. Yeah. But then that pressure only made it harder for us. It was worse. Oh, God. Exactly. I can't laugh. Of course you're going to laugh. I mean, that was great. I love that. No, I don't remember. I'm sure we loved it. I don't care. At that point, on tape night, you're there until it's done. You know, and that's I mean, that I never once felt, oh, I took forever. That's a fun night, the energy of the audience. And and when you guys laugh, the audience laughs. That's just the greatest thing. So, no, I'm sure we loved every moment of it, except for Trina. Yeah. Trina was like, I need to get on this plane, please, please. She had actual places to be. Exactly. Do you remember the season seven wrap party? I remember. But I'm trying to remember where it was. Do you remember where it was? Do you remember where it was? We don't remember. It wasn't at Denim and Diamonds. No, that was season two. Okay. No, I'm two. I remember that one. Wait, let me think. Where the hell was it? I do remember we all took so many photos together and it was, it was great. I don't, I have no idea where it was. Ryder and I showed our video. So there was a giant video screen there, but I can't remember where, like what the actual venue was. We went to something that was on Third Street Promenade. Because I remember I went to see a movie before then. It was Good Will Hunting. so what if that's the final if goodwill hunting came out the year we wrapped it was somewhere down there wait you went to you went to a movie right before the wrap party yeah i like that's awesome myself and met everyone there but i think i think that might have been the final i i feel like it would have been a big to do right i mean yeah that's why i don't know i have zero memory of any aspect of it so i remember pre-party because i remember rider and i specifically going to Barney's because there were two people who didn't spend a lot of money on clothes so we went to Barney's and like did it right we each bought two Armani suits oh really and yeah we were like we styled it for the party you want a suit for the wrap party oh yeah like fly suits too one of them was so mothridden I think I threw it away last year um and it was this exact shirt there you go so I remember that and I remember us showing our video there but I don't remember that where we went yeah you know what i could find out but i i don't remember there was a big outdoor driveway thing going up to it because michael then opened the trunk of his car at the end and had watches for everybody oh and i remember me he enlisted me to help hand out and they were like he opened the back of his car and they were he had like a hundred watches or whatever it was How much did you charge you? Yeah. They were very nice. I still have mine. Of course. I still have mine too. I haven't worn it in 30 years. Me either. Yeah. It's beautiful. And it says for a good time, Michael on the back. Yep. And he was, so I remember handing him. So I don't think it was the promenade because his car was parked like right in front of the venue. Right. But God, I got to remember where that was. I want to find out and I will get back to you guys. Okay. I know there was one year where we did it at an arcade. We had a wrap party at like a. We did. Yeah. It was like one of those places that has like go-karts and an arcade and batting cages. It was one of those places in the Valley. Oh, like a mini golf place. Probably Camelot. It was Magic Castle. No, not Magic. It was Camelot. Is that the one that's on? Camelot? Yeah. Venture or whatever. There's a castle and yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I do remember that. I don't know if this was the wrap party. This was either a wrap party or a Christmas party. It was at like Hollywood Billiards. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I remember that. We have pictures of Adam Scott at the Adam Billiards party. That's the one I missed. Yeah. I had a case of hiccups that wouldn't go away. I had to go to the ER. So I missed that. From the hiccups? What? It was a 24 hour case of the hiccups that just would not go away Had you eaten vegetarian food That what it was No meat I don know what it was I went to the ER and I just had hiccup. They gave me a shot of Thorazine, which cured it immediately. And then I went home and they started up again. So anyway, I missed that part. Oh, God. Anyway, sorry for that sidestep. I have so many questions. I have so many questions. How is this not an Eric storyline? This does sound like an Eric thing. I couldn't make it to the Cory Topanga's wedding because of hiccups. Did it go away? So the Thorazine and then it started again when you got home? As soon as I got home, it stopped immediately. Thorazine is like antipsychotic. The nurse goes, we don't know why this works, but it does. And she goes, it's going to hurt. And it did. But it stopped immediately. I went home and as soon as I got home, they start up again. But I slept. It's all right. Oh, my gosh. Wow. I know. That's intense. Okay. Sorry. No, that's one of the greatest stories I've ever heard. It's a well-known side effect of kookaroo, actually. Yes. That's why it goes down. It's the clucking. The hiccup. The hiccup for the last year. The clucking hiccups, man. The clucking hiccups. The clucking hiccups. You got a cluck? I got a cluck. Yeah. Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening live at South by Southwest. This is the biggest night in podcasting. We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative talent and creators in the industry. And the winner is... 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We're taking you inside sorority row, including the chapter room, as we explore the fellowship and the frenemies. Let's get dirty. Listen to Dirty Rush on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. okay this is a question that i think is i the you're the first person we're asking of this and i i am excited for your answer if you had to build out the behind the scenes mount rushmore for boy meets world yeah whose heads do you put on it oh come on i'm not doing that I mean, come on. Michael Jacobs. Michael Jacobs has to be in there. I thought you meant of the cast. No, no, BTS, behind the scenes, not the faces of us. Thank you, thank you. No, no, not us. Oh, man. Well, yeah, of course, Michael Jacobs. Yep. Well, it's going to sound like, you know, I don't want to be morbid, but Arlene Grayson, because she was, you know, the very first producer got us going. Yes. oh man Ray Colcord you know who did all the music I mean and now you're going to make me want to put Willie up there too because it's just a great homage that you know but I mean there's so many people behind the scenes you know I mean I love all our camera you know Ray Liu I love all our camera guys but Karen McCain was such a great producer I mean we had Russell you know can we do two Mount Rushmore's There's so many people, you know, I mean, I'll be a mockery and say all the craft service people. I mean, that was. Hafer would have to be up there, I think. Oh, of course Hafer. I mean, you know, you know, Dee Dee. I mean, there's just, I mean, because Rusty was in front of the camera, but he was also behind the scenes. But that was a little bit more, I guess, on Girl Meets World. But yeah. How about we just put four of Michael's making up? Michael and his kids. That'll make him. That's a great answer. You still talk to Michael, right? You still talk to Michael. Has he listened to you on our show and has he come at you with any like, no, no, no. This is what actually happened. Next time you go on, talk to them about this. He's heard me. He's heard me on the show. I think he was pretty happy with that. I don't think he said I said anything wrong historically because honestly, I think, you know, if I said, if I don't know something, I don't pretend. Right. My memory is not, you know, I don't have the Blutman memory or Michael memory of everything. I remember, you know, a lot of great moments. But yeah, I don't think he said, you know, you're an idiot. So no notes. You got no notes. That's good. I didn't get any notes. That's impressive. That's impressive. I know. I think, which is good because that's rare. I get nervous on these things, as you know. I know. And you're so good. You're so, so good. Thanks. Maybe not a Mount Rushmore name, but can you think of any unsung heroes? Like you mentioned Ray Liu, which we've talked about our camera guys, but like someone like that. We have never interviewed one of our camera people. We tried Brian McKenzie, who was one of our, I think, season one camera operators, who I work a lot with now as a director. Oh, that's great. Even you mentioning Glenn Mercer, like that's, you know, are there any other names that we haven't shined a light on yet that you think we should someone, an unsung hero from the BTS of Boy Meets World? Well, that's a, that's a good question. There's just so many people. I know. Carlos would have, first of all, Carlos is interesting because, you know, he was, I think he started as McCracken's assistant. I mean, so he really, he's been on all different sides. and they wrote a freelance episode and they came in the room. Carlos is a real character, man. He's the coolest dude. But when I first started there, I was a little afraid of it because he was so confident. He was so sick of writers. But he was really... So when you went to Carlos over, you felt like you were in. He was there from the beginning to the end in different capacities. You know, it was just a lot of people. Anybody that came through, You know, another, there's another writer who passed away, but Judy Toll. Oh, that was great. She was funny. She was fun. And, you know. What was your favorite season of the show? That's a great question. I mean, probably the first, just because it was my first TV writing job. I couldn't, I never lost the thrill the whole season, even with horrible moments and getting yelled at and having scripts thrown out and this and that. The novelty of, for me, growing up loving TV and movies so much, being on a soundstage where Mary Poppins was shot. Yeah. You know, sharing an office with Jeff Sherman, whose father and uncle are the Sherman brothers. I mean, I was like thrown into this world and just being on the Disney lot. Yeah. There was a magic to it. It really was. It was unbelievably magical for me. You know, with William Daniels, who, you know, I can't believe I'm even talking to that guy. So that was as far as fun goes. As far as quality goes, I don't know if I could pick one season. There's certainly episodes that we had great fun, you know, like, you know, Corey Wolf, you know, and stuff like that. And that's a Bloodman and Busking episode. And, you know, and the final two and the last season. And just, you know, I happen to, my name is on this one, but I love when Eric was the weatherman, you know, that was just a fun one too. Yeah, that was a fun one. There's just a lot of great moments. Every season, there was never like a season I go, I know you guys, I think someone said, oh, this is when the show went off the rails. But I don't have that feeling. Sometimes it got more serious than it used to be. But I think John Strauss called me in season four and said, when did the show become a drama? I go, I don't know. That might have been the ICU stuff. But every season just holds a special place in my heart, even though I don't remember a lot. I remember just loving it. But, yeah, the first season was so novel, nothing could ever capture that for me again. Yeah. Yeah. One last question I want to ask you before we say goodbye. What are some fun movies or just great movie recommendations that you have for us right now? What do you think? Right now? Yeah. Yeah. What do you think are some I mean, they could be older movies, too. Just why don't you give me some movie recommendations that you think we should see? Well, I mean, you know, I love movies. I mean, my favorite movie of all time is Raging Bull. Yeah, there it is right behind you. Funny movie. Hey, we just watched Song Song Blue I don't know if you saw that No, that's Kate Hudson Yeah, it was so good That story's amazing She's amazing I've seen so much I think I've seen every movie I'm missing two that were nominated this year Love Marty Supreme Okay But I mean, if you want me to go all the time I'm going to tell you The Godfather Yeah, yeah, yeah Goodfellas and we saw, what's that one with Rachel McCambs that's out right now? Oh, Send Help? You see that? No. That's a brutal, it's not fair, it's pretty much fun. I, you know, I try to see everything. So, I don't know. Maybe what about some less known movies? Like something you think people didn't get enough shine? Underrated, yeah. Oh, from the past? Oh, wow. Yeah, or recent. Just any movies you think were like, you know, more people should have seen this and they didn't. All right. Well, here's one. It's called, The Life of Chuck with Tom Hiddleston and an actor whose name I can't pronounce. It's a really beautiful film. I actually saw it on a plane. I had heard of it. It wasn't in theaters long. I think it's a beautiful movie. It's based on a Stephen King short story. I can't describe it because I don't want to ruin it for you, but it's sort of told in three different time segments. It really captures a lot of elements of movies movie dim that I love. He is great in it, but that's all I can say. The Life of Chuck. If you look it up, you'll go, oh, I may have heard of this one. Ryder. I haven't seen it, but I've definitely heard of it, but I haven't seen it. Yeah. I thought that was beautiful. Have you seen Nirvana, the band, the show? Not yet. What is that? Just go. Just see it. Just go. It's on my list. I make a list every week of what movies I want to see. That's big up there. But okay. You loved it? it go see it and it's it's also a little uh boy meets world inspired so inspired inspired by eric oh for real yeah oh for real okay well 100 see it yeah um did you see sentimental value that's also up for an awesome beautiful beautiful movie with stella sarsgaard and um el fanning and this one uh norwegian actress who i'm in love with i don't know her name but beautiful beautiful movie Runaway Train no no Train Dreams Train Dreams so beautiful was that beautiful oh my god yeah it's one of my favorite books I'm going to see that again actually the novella is incredible I've read it like four times oh really you can't make this into a movie and then I saw the movie I was like oh my god you did they did it it's so beautiful every shot of it it's just cinematographers should study it beautiful man we're so different I had a chance to watch a movie the other night and I watched Under Siege 2 with Steven Seagal I saw that I did do that for like the first time by the way first one was great the second one is unwatchable once you find out he's such an unlikable guy in life oh yeah he's an awful person and he can't run oh yeah it's great it's phenomenal Jeff we love you so much we are so happy that the podcast has given people an opportunity to get to know you a little bit the way we know you. And on our Mount Rushmore, Jeff Minnell is there. Jeff Minnell. 100%. Oh, well, in a black t-shirt, I hope. It's just Jeff Minnell and Michael's kids. It's Kukuru, Jeff Minnell, and Michael's kids. Hiccups and Michael's kids. That's all I'm going to say. That's a good thing. All right, I'll email you guys. We'll get together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll send you that script if you really want to read anything. Yeah, sure. Send it. Great seeing you guys. And if you could, if you could honestly, if you could find the script where we could have the couch at the end, we'd love to see how the scene was supposed to end. We would love to know that. Yeah, we'd like to post that for people to see what, how the scene was supposed to go. Because we don't remember at all. Yeah. What's the name of that episode? I'll look it up. Is that Angela's Men? Oh, yeah. When her father came to visit. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. I have that somewhere. Okay. I'll find it. I'll find it. Oh, perfect. Cool. And I'll bring it. I'll bring it to you. Okay. Thank you. Love you, Jeff. Love you. Bye. He's just the greatest. Oh, my God. He is. I get inklings of what it must be like with him in the writer's room because it's probably like, you know, he's throwing out some good jokes and then he'll just go off on a tangent about something that is just, and it's like, well, that has to be a story. Yep. It's that kind of stuff. I mean, how was Eric having the hiccups for 24 hours not a storyline? Oh, it's so funny. Oh, God. Yeah, how does that not work? I was dying. So funny. Oh, well, thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram, Pod Meets World Show. You can send us your emails, podmeetsworldshow at gmail.com. And we've got merch. Go pick up some clucking merch. Podmeetsworldshow.com. Writer, send us out. We love you all. Pod dismissed. 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