The Fight for Election Integrity: Insights from Tennessee and Missouri's Attorneys General

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Certainly in Washington, D.C., they're talking about snow before Monday comes around here. Washington doesn't handle snow well. Doesn't handle cutting expenses well. Doesn't handle drama well. But we're used to that. That's why it's the most dysfunctional, but still most important city in the United States these days. All right. We've got a great, great show for you today. Kicking things off with a couple of attorneys general. I'd like to do this every so often. Bring some attorneys generals in. And over the next four or five days, you're going to hear from our two guests today, the Tennessee Attorney General, Jonathan Scrimetti, the Missouri Attorney General, Catherine Hannaway. And then on Monday, you're going to hear from the South Carolina Attorney General, Alan Wilson. All are working on huge, big things. Scrimetti on protecting children, whether it's surgeries, transgender surgeries, where he won an epic case in the Supreme Court or online protections. Catherine Hannaway, who you're going to hear from today, she's suing the Census Department saying you shouldn't have counted illegal aliens towards the census count in 2020, at least not when it related to apportionment and redistricting, because illegal aliens aren't entitled to enjoy the benefits or create benefits for congressional representation, federal distribution of funds or apportionment. And that case could be the third rail of election integrity. The first, remember what we've talked about on the show. I want to remind you one more time. It's important. There are three things working their way through the courts that are going to be epic on election integrity. First is Louisiana, the Voting Rights Act case. That will determine if racially engineered or gerrymandered congressional districts are lawful. Well, the betting on that right now is that the court is going to strike racially gerrymandered districts like they did racial quotas for universities. The second is the Mississippi case. That's Louisiana's case. Mississippi has a case that says you shouldn't be allowed to count votes after election day, i.e., votes that are counted. It's an election day, not an election week, not an election month, not an election trimester. If that were to be done, vote counting would have to be wrapped up by midnight in the places where votes are cast on Election Day. And then the third one is Missouri's case against the Census Bureau, which right now there are about 19 to 21 Democrat districts that would flip to Republican districts if the illegal alien count was removed. And I'll give you a good example. You'll hear this from Attorney General Hannaway. there are more than 2 million illegal aliens in Los Angeles County. That gives LA and Southern California two more congressional seats that they wouldn't have. So these three case, this is the three-legged stool of election integrity in the courts. And then the fourth leg of that stool is the SAVE Act and the things that we're going to keep talking about on this show. So today's show, going to kick things off with Attorney General Jonathan Scametti of Tennessee. We're going to turn to Missouri Attorney General Catherine Hannaway. And then it's a sad story, but one of the many people that got auto pardons from Joe Biden got released from prison in the last few days. Mike Howell from the Oversight Project will tell us about what could have and did happen there. That's our show, Tim. We're really excited about it. We're going to get right to it in a second. First, though, a quick shout out from some of my many great partners here. One of them, The Wellness Company. You know Dr. Peter McCullough. We always get a chance to talk to them a couple times a month. I love that. 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Some Democrats for it, some Democrats against it, some Republicans for it, some Republicans against it. It is something that parents are very concerned about. Our next guest has been on the front line of this year. Right now, he's working to push Congress to get the federal bill done. Before that, his own state legislature created a landmark law to protect young people from the dangers of social media, and he defended it through the courts with great success. He is the Attorney General of the great state of Tennessee, Attorney General Jonathan Scrimetti. Sir, good to have you back on the show. Great to be back, John. All right. You have a double-barreled approach to this. You got your state in line. There's a model law there. You defended it against a lot of people trying to take it down. You've won in the federal courts, and now you're trying to give Congress a little incentive to go do it at the federal level. Tell us why online safety for kids is becoming such an important issue. Well, it's an important issue because kids are being affected by this. If you look at the mental health statistics over the last 15 or so years, there's a direct line between the increased use of technology platforms by kids and all these mental health problems they're having, you know, suicidality, anxiety, depression, sleep deprivation. So there's a real impact there. And we need to be careful. This is our future. So we have these companies that are very effective at driving engagement, but they don't always keep in mind the well-being of their users. And we want to make sure that they're able to innovate, but in the context where their innovation is benefiting people and not coming at the expense of especially our most vulnerable kids. Yeah, I mean, some of the things we learned just about TikTok and China's intentions in manipulating the algorithm behind that very popular social platform was eye-opening to people. And the difference between what the Chinese kids got to see and what our kids got to see really laid that bare. You have a double-barreled fight on your hands. First is you're in the federal appeals court, I think, with Net Choice versus Scrimetti. That is defending the state's law. Tell us where we are in that process. I think you had oral arguments this month, right? We did. My Solicitor General, Matt Rice, was up there arguing the case. We have an age verification law, and this is pretty controversial. You know, the companies are concerned about it. But if you don't know that the users are kids, you can't have the heightened standards to protect them. So we're talking about companies with more data about their users than literally any company in the history of the world. They should be able to tell who the kids are, and they should take steps to make sure that the pieces of their platforms that are the most dangerous for kids are blunted when they're dealing with young people, especially very young kids. They need to be able to differentiate that and limit some of the opportunities for harm. And you can't do that if you don't know how old the users are. So we've got litigation on the state law. The COSA includes a study requirement where the FTC will identify the optimal way for companies to track age. And given where technology is now, there are some really good solutions possible that preserve privacy and still make sure that young users aren't able to access content they shouldn't be able to access, that the companies are able to provide guardrails to avoid the kind of toxic use that creates psychological harm. So, you know, it's really important that we have clear objective guidance for the companies. And it's really important that they adhere to it. They need to make sure that kids are OK when they're using these products. Yeah, there's no doubt they're in the most vulnerable environment in the world, cyberspace. So these things are long overdue and getting them in place. Tennessee has been a leader. You also signed a letter today, I believe it was, with 40 of your colleagues, attorney generals, Democrat and Republican, urging the Congress and its leadership to get the Kids Online Safety Act. Ask Aaron Houchin, one of the sponsors and crafters of that bill, was in here talking about it just a week ago. There's a powerful line in the letter that really jumped out at me, And that is that states are often the first places where the victimization is seen, where the harm to children is experienced. The states are left trying to protect those kids after the fact. You encourage Congress to close that down so that the children and parents don't have to worry as much. How important is it for Congress to create a uniform standard? It's really important for a couple of reasons. The first is because you don't want to have a bunch of different standards out there. The companies need to have the uniformity so they can clearly target where they need to land. But the other thing is when Congress passes the law, it applies nationwide. It's protecting every American child. And in one version, the version that Senator Blackburn is pushing, there's a duty of care built in. So the companies need to actually, as they're making decisions, keep in mind the well-being of their young users. So it's not just a matter of not hurting them. And they have to actively be considering how the product's going to affect kids. And by baking in that consideration into the decision-making process, it's a way of avoiding micromanaging. It's a way of avoiding telling the company, oh, you can do this, but not that. It's just saying you have to have the right mindset. And that takes care of a lot of these problems without heavy-handed government regulation. You just tell them this is the direction you're pointing in. And from there, they, with their technological expertise, can figure out the best way to get there. Yeah, achieve the goal and leave the details to the people who have the technology. When Senator Blackburn was on the show recently, she was talking about her version of the bill. She said something profound, which is these big tech companies make an awful lot of money on these young people on social media. They got an obligation when they earned that money also to protect them. This is big business, this data mining that goes on, even targeting our children, right? Absolutely. And one of the best provisions of the COSA is they can't do market research on kids. So the kids aren't guinea pigs. They're so susceptible. The child's brain is just way more affected by this stuff than the adult's brain is. And we need to insulate them from kind of the highest kinetic, most impactful uses of these platforms. There needs to be a kid space that's just a little bit softer, a little bit safer. And we need to make sure that they're not being used by predators who can get access to them sometimes through different platforms. So we need to be extra cautious of kids in general online. You've been doing that in droves in Tennessee, not just in the online space, but in other places fighting transgender ideology. We've had a couple of trend lines that have been troubling in the United States just a couple days ago in Rhode Island at a skating rink in Canada last week at another event in other places all around the country, including in a school in Tennessee. We've seen people who are in the process of going through transgender transitions, medical injection of chemicals, surgeries, other things, end up being involved in mass shootings. I know this is a big deal. A lot of people are concerned about it. Tell us how concerning it is to see this many people involved in mass shootings in a short period of time that have the same sort of treatment going on? Well, it's really concerning. And, you know, this is a context where there have been a lot of medical interventions. There hasn't been a lot of research. And that's what came up when we had our case in the Supreme Court. You know, we saw these very liberal European countries that were pulling back on their transition treatments because they realized the evidence just didn't support it. And there were all these harms that hadn't really been taken into account and virtually no benefits. And, you know, this is an ideologically pushed medical trend, right? Like a lot of the research was compromised by people who cared more about politics and more about their philosophical commitments than about hard medical evidence. So we've got a long tail now where we have to see, you know, just what happened and how this affected people. And there have been some really distressing data points. people who had, you know, obvious mental health issues who were diverted from getting the treatment that they really needed and steered into a much more ideological regime, it looks like. Yeah, really scary. Some good news in the last couple of weeks in the American medical community, I believe the plastic surgeons and AMA both said that no more for children. They came out on the opposite side of where they used to be. Progress that maybe the common sense work you've been doing is getting through to some of these doctors. You know, it seems like the tide is turning on this stuff. And, you know, there are people who have real problems. We need to be empathetic towards folks who are wrestling with gender dysphoria. But we don't need to reinvent society. And we don't need to subject kids to these experimental treatments that just aren't supported by the evidence. So the AMA had been a big champion, along with WPATH, of more medical interventions. The fact that they followed the plastic surgeons is huge That a real indication that the evidence is getting through Maybe the fear of civil litigation is getting through We saw that million case for the detransitioner and I sure there will be more of those coming So, you know, as the evidence mounts, as the liability mounts, I think people are reconsidering their position and realizing that they got out over their skis on this. Yeah, right. And let it be noted, it was your state's case that went to the Supreme Court that became the ultimate landmark on this. One last thing I want to get to, because I have a funny feeling, another landmark decision coming out of the Supreme Court soon. Birthright citizenship, you're right there on this one. The last couple of weeks we had Peter Schweitzer, the great investigative journalist and author here. He put some pretty significant evidence that China and Mexico governments use birthright citizenship to create strategic objectives to harm the United States. That evidence is irrefutable, the actual speeches and documents of their government officials. How important is this case for the Supreme Court to get right? It's a really important case. I mean, in a in a republic, the people who make the decisions get to decide who join them at the table of self-government. I mean, it is the most powerful position you can have in America is being a citizen and a voter. And if you look back at the history, at the time that the 14th Amendment was ratified, a lot of people understood that citizenship only came to people who were permanently domiciled here legally. Now, the immigration laws have changed a lot, but everybody sort of assumed that birthright citizenship was a requirement based on some language in the Wong Kim Ark case from a while ago. But if you read that case carefully, it's about a family that was here legally and the fact that it's their legal domicile and they were permitted in the country is a big part of what the court repeatedly says throughout the case. And that's consistent with what lawyers and legislators were saying as legislation and ultimately the constitutional amendment passed through Congress. So the court has never addressed this. It has massive consequences for the country. And when you see things like the Chinese surrogacy issue, where there's some fairly strange stuff going on with an awful lot of kids being born here solely for the purpose of getting citizenship, you know, it calls into question, you know, whether we want to be as a self-governing people governed by an arbitrary set of whoever's born here, regardless of whether they're committed to living here, regardless of whether they're here legally, or whether we are allowed to be a self-governing people that fully consents to the polity that's making the decisions. So it's an incredibly consequential case. The court may not reach the constitutional question, but this is the first time it's come up and we want to make sure they've got all the right arguments there. All right, folks, we're going to stay in the attorney's general world one more segment. The Attorney General, Missouri, Catherine Hannaway up next, right after these messages. 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Joining us now is the Attorney General from the great state of Missouri, who has gone to court to challenge the notion that we should be assigning apportionment in representation based on illegal aliens. She is Attorney General Catherine Hanaway. Attorney General, great to have you on today. Thanks so much for having me on, John. I'm excited about this lawsuit and excited about winning Missouri's fair share of members of Congress and federal dollars. Yeah, this is historic. And you take this case alongside of what Louisiana is doing with their attorney general challenging race based districts, the way politics have been conducted the last few years or last few decades could be markedly altered for the future of this country. Tell us a little bit about how illegal aliens got to be part of the apportionment process, which I don't think any one of our founding fathers ever intended. You know, that's such a great question. And when you hear the answer, you'll say, oh, of course, that's what happened. So for the vast majority of our history, we did not count illegal immigrants in the census. And then along came Jimmy Carter. And Jimmy Carter decided just completely unilaterally that we'd start counting illegal immigrants. And we continued to do so until President Trump was in office the first time. He put an end to it. And, of course, Joe Biden almost immediately reversed that decision, which is why we sued. We are confident that the Census Bureau is going to start to plan for a census in 2030 where we don't count illegal immigrants, but we're going to get a new president in 2028, and we just can't be assured that he'll do the right thing. So if we have a court order, and I'm guessing this is going to go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, we get that court order, then it'll be permanent. Yeah, it's going to be important. Back in the time when this language is embedded in the Constitution, they just talked about counting the persons that were on U.S. soil. We didn't have an illegal immigration problem back then, but where we are today, the Democrats are going to say, well, persons means everybody. And we say, no, people lawfully on the ground. How do you think this will work its way through the courts on that definition of what our founding fathers intended? Yeah, so there is a lot of case law interpreting what it means to be in the United States permanently. And we believe that the founding fathers and the court decisions interpreting those provisions since then intended it to be people who were legally permanently in the United States. So that would mean anyone who's a citizen and anyone who is a permanent legal resident, meaning they have a green card. So it doesn't include people with temporary visas for work or for school and certainly was never intended to include illegal immigrants. Just to give you some sense of the impact of this, Los Angeles alone has two million illegal immigrants. That's roughly two congressional districts. There's only 435. it's a math problem you divide 435 by the number of people or vice versa number of people in the country by 435 and that tells you how big each congressional district needs to be well if you take those two million away from los angeles it decreases their representation in congress and increases it other places including missouri yeah a place that doesn't have sanctuary cities or a sanctuary state. They actually follow the law in Missouri. What a novel idea. I want to turn. Yeah, it does. And for the Democrats, it does seem to be novel these days. It's remarkable. I want to turn to some other great work you're doing. The first is obviously your predecessor, Andrew Bailey, now with the FBI. He sued China on behalf of the people of Missouri for the COVID-19 outbreak. He won a default judgment, $24 billion. China now fighting back, and you're not going to take any of that fight back. You're going right back at him. Tell us the state of the China v. Missouri, Missouri v. China cases. Well, and John, I have great news. It actually goes back a little bit further. It was Attorney General Eric Schmidt who brought the suit originally against China. And the basis of the suit was that China had infected our state with COVID and caused us a lot of damage. And then withheld personal protective equipment, Andrew Bailey won the case. And now we have a twenty three billion dollar judgment that we're seeking to enforce by seizing assets belonging to the Chinese. Obviously, this is a big international suit and China sued us back for 50 billion in Wuhan province. And we actually been in contact with the administration because we want to make sure that we doing everything right and it doesn hurt anyone else anywhere in the country And we actually learned that our lawsuit and Mississippi has a similar one have been important pieces of leverage in discussions with China over trade talks And we're hopeful that we can get a settlement that's wrapped into perhaps something that means more exports for the United States, particularly of agricultural products. So it's a big, big win for the United States and for the state of Missouri. And I'm not too worried. Let's just put it this way. I'm never going to China. So I'm not too worried about it. They have put a few bots after me and, you know, tried to damage my online reputation. But the real lives of Missouri matter to me a lot more than my online reputation. Yeah, that's a great way of that's a great way of brushing that off. That's the way it should be. So this has a potential leverage tool in whatever the tariff and trade deal between China is. Missouri can play a part in that. And then your citizens can benefit from that final settlement. Kind of a novel approach of how this will ultimately end up. Do you feel good that the Trump administration get the right deal for Missouri? 100%. And I want to get it done during the Trump administration. I think that's going to be the key to doing it right. Yeah, that's an important one. I'm going to be keeping it close. Every time we write about that case, it's one of the most popular things on our site. People really, really care about it. Another place where you're winning, that is the protection of our young children in this country. And Missouri passed a law banning sex change procedures for minors. It got challenged and you just won at the Missouri Supreme Court. Huge, huge victory for the children of Missouri and probably a model for the rest of the country. Tell us about that a little bit. Yeah. So our General Assembly did a great thing. They banned any future gender reassignment therapy surgery for minors, and it did get challenged all the way to the Missouri Supreme Court. We won that case. And so hopefully no child will ever be subjected to that kind of mistreatment again. And I'll mention one other thing. We also put out a regulation requiring that people confirm their age when going on pornographic sites. And the first thing that happened was Pornhub pulled completely out of Missouri. So when you stand up and fight for kids and do it aggressively, good things happen. Yeah, a lot of people say it's not Missouri is not only the show me state, it's the show me how to do the right things that you guys are leading the way for so many states to exercise their rights, even when the federal government was a little adrift under Joe Biden. I want to go back to where we started the conversation, and that is with the census lawsuit in the Louisiana reapportionment and the possibility that racial gerrymandering will be ended by the Supreme Court. If you were to prevail in the census, does it have any effect before 2030? Could you begin to challenge, if you got a favorable ruling, could you challenge in the 28 and 30 elections, or do you have to wait to the new census? No, so we have asked for relief that would go back and recalibrate the apportionment of congressional seats, electoral votes and federal money for 28 and 30. I don't know if we'll win on that. That will be difficult because the other census data will be 10 years old and there will have been shifts around the country. But if we win and Louisiana wins, this is going to be a decades long impact on elections in this country. It will have an impact on who controls Congress and who wins the presidency, we just from our lawsuit alone project that somewhere between 11 and 14 congressional seats will move from places like New York and California to places like Missouri, Tennessee, and Georgia. This is a case that really could last for a couple of generations. And when you combine that with Louisiana, it can make all the difference in who's running this country. That's pretty amazing Is there any potential that the Trump administration Since you're suing the U.S. government and Census Bureau That they settle rather than leave it to the judges to decide this? Well, I think that the Trump administration is smart enough To understand that their settlement might be reversed By a future administration I think they might be sort of a friendly adversary That goes with us all the way to the Supreme Court But if we could find some way to make that settlement binding, obviously, we'd take the settlement. All right, folks, one more good one to go. He's a great investigative journalist, the man who uncovered the auto pen scandal, the auto pen signature scandal of Joe Biden's end of presidency. Mike Howell, up next, right after these messages. Welcome back, America. I was in the White House the other day. I walked down the new walkway of presidential portraits. right there, the new Rose Garden. And there was the portrait of Joe Biden as an auto pen. Yes, it was a jive from President Trump at his predecessor, but it's also a very powerful reminder that what Joe Biden did with that auto pen is going to have lasting consequences. Joining us right now, the man who helped uncover the auto pen scandal and now has a new consequence to report to us, our good friend Mike Howell from the Oversight Project. Mike, great to have you on. Thanks for having me. All right. What could happen in the next few days? A repeat offender about to get let out? Yeah, Oscar Fowler, really bad guy, admitted on camera to being a killer, said he'd do it again, had no regrets. All sorts of charges in history. He is one of the individuals, the autopend, in the final days of, quote unquote, Biden's presidency, a short in the sentence of. And so Trump gets caught holding the bag of these no good short sentences. And one of these criminals is going to be on the streets of Florida tomorrow if it is not stopped. The cherry on top here is one of his offenses is beating up a school official. And guess what? He's being released across the street from a school. So the auto pen still rules the day. All right. So we've been in power. Conservatives, Trump, have a Justice Department for over a year. Does the Biden DOJ have a plan to stop this? Is there anything Governor DeSantis can do? What's the play in the next 24 hours if we don't want to let this guy out? Yeah, so a lot of people made aware of the entire Florida congressional delegation, state lawmakers down their leadership, Congressman Webster, whose district it is, put out a statement today basically saying how can this be happening? DOJ is certainly aware and the White House is aware as well. So the question is, will DOJ finally obey President Trump's order to treat the autopend actions as null and void? I can think of no easier example than deciding not to let a killer out into the streets into a school zone. That's where we're at. The rubber's about to meet the road. This guy could be out tomorrow and reoffending tomorrow if they don't act. That's amazing. All right. So the White House Counsel's office said they thought they were dubious. And the president said, don't don't comply with the auto pen actions. where is the Justice Department and what does it need to do to make what the president said operationally meaningful, meaning not letting anyone else out of prison? Correct. Attorney General Pambani picks up the phone, calls the Bureau of Prisons, tells them do not release this guy at all. In fact, don't release anyone that has their sentence shortened by the autopend. And then calls the U.S. Marshals and says arrest those that have been, you know, illegitimately released contrary to the president's direction. And then obviously these gangbangers will probably get the ACLU to represent them. We have the fight in court, but, you know, I think we'll win. I know we'll win. But at least in the interim, it stops, you know, the Trump administration from a real big knock on their law and order agenda from releasing a violent, you know, criminal into a school zone. It's so remarkable. And the president's been so clear. You think that downstream that would result in action? I guess tomorrow we're going to find out how quickly that action is. Real quickly, before I let you go, got about a minute left. There are signs that the Miami U.S. Attorney, the Fort Pierce Grand Jury, the Justice Department now fully loaded and beginning to do the investigative grand jury work that leads to indictments. John Brennan, we know, is one of the targets that's being looked at. Where do you see this heading in the next few months? And what are you looking for to get some satisfaction that the American people are going to get some justice. Yeah, ultimately right now, we've been on this kind of, you know, merry-go-round a few times of, you know, almost indictment, indict, will they weasel out, will they not? And, you know, we're a year in. I think the American people are kind of over it. They want to see a conviction and actual accountability imposed. And so that's what I'm looking at here. Like the process is interesting and there certainly have been some things I'm not a fan of that have happened along the way. Obviously, Brennan deserves to be punished fully, but that's what, you know, And me and millions of other Americans who voted for the president are actually looking for the follow through on the accountability. And so that's that's where I'll pay attention. All right, folks, that wraps up our Saturday edition of John Solomon Reports, the podcast from you got it. Just the news. A big thank you to Attorney General Jonathan Scrimetti, Missouri Attorney General Catherine Hannaway and Mike Howell from the great oversight project. They do great investigative reporting, including the auto patent scandal. That's where it was born. All right, back tomorrow with the Sunday Brunch Edition. Until then, God bless you and have a good night.