Brandy and Julie on The Traitors, Real Housewives and Climbers
89 min
•Jan 29, 20264 months agoSummary
Heather McDonald hosts comedians Brandy Howard and Julie Goldman to discuss reality TV drama across multiple franchises, including The Traitors casting controversies, Real Housewives feuds, and celebrity news ranging from Taylor Swift to Jennifer Aniston. The episode covers cancel culture, reality TV ethics, and the personal toll of public scrutiny on cast members.
Insights
- Reality TV production companies are implementing social media management protocols to protect cast members from cyberbullying, similar to Love Island's approach with Ariana, indicating industry-wide recognition of mental health risks
- Cancel culture disproportionately targets minor social media infractions while overlooking serious crimes; audiences show selective outrage based on likability rather than severity of misconduct
- Female comedians are increasingly leveraging pregnancy and motherhood as content opportunities and career pivots, suggesting a shift in how women entertainers monetize life transitions
- The scarcity of eligible men over 50 with financial stability and physical attractiveness creates a bottleneck in celebrity dating markets, forcing women to compete for a limited pool
- Ghost-writing books has become normalized in celebrity culture, yet remains a point of contention and status-signaling among reality TV personalities
Trends
Mental health protection protocols becoming standard in reality TV production contractsSelective outrage in cancel culture based on celebrity likability rather than offense severityPregnancy and motherhood as deliberate career repositioning strategy for female entertainersSocial media alternate accounts used for reputation management and competitive intelligence in reality TVIncreased transparency demands around ghostwriting and AI-assisted content creationReality TV cast members experiencing trauma and self-diagnosis of neurodivergence post-filmingCelebrity dating market consolidation around aging, wealthy men with specific physical traitsDocumentary format driving narrative reassessment of historical celebrity controversies
Topics
Reality TV Ethics and Contestant WelfareCancel Culture and Selective OutrageCelebrity Mental Health and Social Media ManagementGhostwriting in Celebrity PublishingReal Housewives Franchise DynamicsThe Traitors US Cast ControversiesTaylor Swift and Blake Lively Friendship DramaCelebrity Dating Market ScarcityPregnancy as Career StrategyAnti-Semitism in Small BusinessAlternate Social Media Accounts and Reputation ManagementReality TV Trauma and Post-Production Mental HealthFemale Comedian Monetization StrategiesDocumentary Impact on Celebrity ReassessmentNeurodivergence Self-Diagnosis Trends
Companies
Netflix
Hosts live Juicy Scoop event and produces The Traitors US reality competition series discussed throughout episode
Peacock
Streaming platform that produces The Traitors and Love Island, implementing social media protection protocols for cast
Bravo
Network producing Real Housewives franchises extensively discussed including Salt Lake City, Beverly Hills, and Potomac
Disney+
Streaming service mentioned for upcoming content including Rivals series and High Potential crime drama
QVC
Shopping network where Real Housewives of Potomac cast member Stacy worked before reality TV career
People
Brandy Howard
Co-host of Dumb Gay Podcast and guest on Juicy Scoop discussing reality TV and celebrity culture
Julie Goldman
Co-host of Dumb Gay Podcast and guest on Juicy Scoop providing reality TV commentary and analysis
Heather McDonald
Host of Juicy Scoop podcast discussing celebrity news, reality TV, and entertainment industry trends
Colton Underwood
Former Bachelor contestant and The Traitors cast member facing cyberbullying over past stalking allegations
Lisa Rinna
Real Housewives cast member and The Traitors contestant involved in on-air conflict with Colton Underwood
Taylor Swift
Discussed regarding Blake Lively lawsuit, ghostwriting controversy, and relationship with Travis Kelce
Blake Lively
Involved in lawsuit with Justin Baldoni; text messages with Taylor Swift released as evidence
Karen Huger
Recently released from prison for fourth DUI; featured in season finale with braided hair from inmates
Doreet Kemsley
Involved in book deal and Birkin bag controversy; criticized for discussing ex-husband PK publicly
Amanda Hearst
New Real Housewives cast member; disclosed loss of infant twin and criticized Doreet's parenting commentary
Meredith Marks
Jewish cast member confronting Brittany over positive review of nail salon owner with anti-Semitic posts
Brittany Dobler
Accused of supporting anti-Semitic nail salon owner; left positive review unaware of owner's statements
Alex Honnold
Subject of documentary climbing world's tallest building without ropes; paid $500,000 for stunt
Jennifer Aniston
Dating wellness coach and hypnotist; relationship discussed as example of celebrity dating market dynamics
Tyra Banks
Featured in America's Next Top Model documentary; acknowledged being harsh on contestants for ratings
Ron Funches
The Traitors cast member; self-diagnosed with autism after audience feedback; claims Derinda made edited-out comments
Alan Cumming
Host of The Traitors who issued statement asking audience to stop cyberbullying cast members
Sydney Sweeney
Launched lingerie line with publicity stunt at Hollywood sign; Euphoria returning with time jump
Meghan Markle
Executive producer of Girl Scout cookie documentary at Sundance; event did not sell out
Lisa Barlow
Accused of creating fake social media account for positive self-promotion and negative competitor commentary
Quotes
"I was awful. I pushed it too far. I was being pushed and everybody wanted it. And the stakes just raised and raised."
Tyra Banks•America's Next Top Model documentary discussion
"I've been in this business for 36 years. I was Lisa fucking Renna before housewives and I'm Lisa fucking Renna after."
Lisa Rinna•The Traitors confrontation with Colton
"Nothing stops hatred and cancellation quicker than a girl in love who's pregnant."
Brandy Howard•Taylor Swift career strategy discussion
"This game is a game of bullying. Remember the first season with Kate Chastain and Brandi?"
Heather McDonald•The Traitors format critique
"Why isn't that the audience is louder about somebody else? That's the question."
Julie Goldman•Mary Cosby fraud discussion versus social media witch hunts
Full Transcript
When your meetings are powered by AI, quality matters. Shor builds video conferencing solutions engineered for collaboration, giving AI the clarity it needs. Shor, built for collaboration. Learn more at shur.com.com. Heather MacDonald has got the Juicest Scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go. Juicest Scoop is the show to know she tops Hollywood tales. For real life, Mr. Sakeman, serial data, and serial system. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo. Heather MacDonald. Juicest Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicest Scoop. Again, I don't know that you guys deserve this week, because I also have your favorite funny gals. Brandy Howard, Julie Goldman, stars of dumb gay podcast, of stage, theater, film, television, couch, commentary, and fashion. Brandy is decked out in Chanel. Julie is decked out in Fendi. And I'm decked out in real Lulu Lemon. Oh, authentic. Thank you so much. And these Nike shoes that are on their last leg. I was gonna wear your Gucci ones that you got me because you guys are such a fashion for people that threw these on first. Well, I'm coming over to your home. We are having them. And I'm going to be cleaning them. Oh, great. I'm going to spruce them up for you. Can we also, if you're in the mood, which sounds like you might be, my restoration hardware white couches. I don't know what they said. I've heard I could have someone come over for restoration. I've heard you got to do a third bleach, a third water, and it all comes up. I don't know what to do, but it's like bumming me out. So we can troubleshoot that we can talk all about it. Sounds like a fun time. Yeah. Heather, I thought we were going to have like a sexy weekend. First of all, I want to say something very exciting. We are part of Netflix's joke. The show sold out in less than 24 hours. That is absolutely amazing. And it's because Brandi and Julia are with me and the fabulous Chris Frangelo. And we're doing a live juicy scoop. So, so excited. And I want to thank everybody for jumping on it, using the code and getting everything early. And we're, it's going to be a blast. I mean, local in LA. So exciting. With all the heavy hitters. Let me have you here and put you on the spot. Do you want to maybe get a hotel room after? Yes. And do a recap sleepover. Like we, everyone loved that from Vegas. And then that'll be our like Tuesday show because this is not for public consumption, unless you're sitting in a seat. Can we, only if that room is at the Chateau Marmont and we almost die. Why would we almost die? From all of the drinking we would do. Okay. I think Peter found a deal somewhere else. Oh, we could do the Roosevelt. Roosevelt's fun too. Hey, one of the, hey, one of you, uh, hoteliers are listening to this and you want to reach out. Yeah. We would like to do a postmortem live juicy scoop towel from the bed. Yes. Like we did in Vegas. Like the standard hotel that Peter got. Or downtown. We're like, why are we driving downtown? It'll be close to the Avalon. We don't know what we're going to do people. The point is it's May 9th. It's all about at 7pm sold out. Also, I will be at Wise Guys doing standup. That's in Salt Lake City and that is in March and they just put it on their website and I will have it on my website at HeatherMcDonald.net. So check that out. Let's say we would be there too drinking dirty coax with mom talk. However, we're going to be in Minneapolis. I did invite you guys. We would have gone in a second, but unfortunately we'll be in Minneapolis, Minnesota doing Nightmare on Strip Street. And living in a nightmare. That's appropriate. Yeah, exactly. But by then hopefully the nightmare is not there. Hopefully it'll be a joy. It'll be fun. And they need some fun. Okay. So speaking of selling out and who didn't, Meghan Markle and Harry, they are at Sundance and they have just something to do. She's the executive producer of a documentary, which I'm sure is a delightful documentary. It's called Cookie Queen and it's about Girl Scout selling cookies. So, you know, Meghan's always quick to jump on the fact that she's had 18 jobs before she turned 12. And this was one of them. I guess she sold the cookies and so she's part of it. And you know, they're always the talk of the town when they're there, were they, you know, hanging out with each other? What's going on? What is she going to do next? But they did not sell out their show. They had over 150 seats left. Not like us. Not like us. Now I will say for those of us who are LA, you know, even adjacent, born and bred, or even have lived here like Julie now for like 20 years, you really do the Girl Scout game in LA, the Girl Scout cookie game. It is these people like they practically work on Wall Street. It's amazing. They're selling crypto. They, the girls out, the little Girl Scouts, when my sons were in school, some mom finally figured it out and she targeted all the boy moms first, got and went and they were knocking on the door and every boy mom was hit up because there was no competition. And they were like, what cookies do you want? They knew when the boys would be home, said that the boys could then choose all their cookies. And that was really smart. They also knew to start going outside of dispensaries. That's the new one. Which is a great idea. Fantastic. They were doing really well with that. Oh my God. It's all brilliant. It's all brilliant marketing. My accountant sells them to me. I'm like, I've already got, I've got a roster of girls I'm buying from. I can't help you. But I mean, I am mentoring, which that already sounds problematic, but a girl who's been in Girl Scouts the whole time since brownies and pixies. She's a girl scout and she's a senior, which you know you hate by the time you're senior. You're like your mom is forcing you at that point. But they went to, they went to the White House when she was a sophomore. They went to Paris last year now as a senior. This gives you like a huge scholarship. So she like asking- It's like an Eagle Scout but a girl. Yeah. And so she's like mentoring me and I'm like, okay. And I'm always every year just like, I want to just give them money and not take the Girl Scouts cookies. The cookies are hard. And you know, some of these sales girls know what to do. They'll be like, can I get you on your last order from last year and would you like a half dozen or a dozen boxes? And you're like, oh, I think a dozen cookies, a dozen boxes. That's some really good sales moves. That is good. It's really good. They get me when I see the moms or dads don't stop with a dad and this little daughter. That'll make me buy some cookies. But when I go outside the supermarket and the moms are there with those little girls and I'm just like, fine, because you're so proud of your daughter. I'll buy some cookies. Like you can't help it to see them. So I think it's great. I'm sure the doc is fun and great. I don't need to be snarky. I just wanted to brag about myself. And I wonder if it didn't sell out just because it's Sundance. We're doing Lisa Barlow. We're Vita Tequila. I mean, I just think people have, you know, they can go to a few movies and that's maybe not the juiciest one to go see. So one like, so you're going to go to see someone else's. I just don't think people are that excited to see them as famous people like they were. That's what I think it is. I don't think like people really dislike them. I just think it's not special anymore for the Prince and Princess to be walking among us. It's just, it isn't. So it's like, oh, cool. You did a movie too. Well, I'm going to go to this one down the road and like good for you, Meg. Tell H I said hi. And I still think it's like, I just don't think it's like a big scoop anymore. Like I don't think it even cares. And when Archie is, you know, giving them a Brooklyn Beckham, you know, scenario will all be checked back in. Exactly. You know, that's when it's going to get juicy. Or if we find out that actually it was Lilibet who filmed the Girl Scout Cookie, because remember that happened last week where they were seen dancing around at a park, her and H. And it was because Lilibet took the phone. She's four. And then filmed it on the phone. And then Megan was like, Lilibet, you little lawyer. And then posted it. And then she posted it. Yeah. She posted it was like, look at my little sneaky poo. That's the videographer for it. Yeah. And that's why nobody would. That's definitely what happened. Yeah. And that's why nobody went to see them at Sundance. Yeah. Okay. As you know, this whole Justin Baldoni versus Blake Lively and the Taylor Swift of it all, they have been releasing these text messages between Blake and Taylor. And they're doing a little at a time. It's like the Epstein files or like whatever. It's just like, I don't, like they're saving them. They're just all of a sudden and then an article comes out and there's more. There's just so much to go over. But obviously, yeah, Taylor's not loving this. She had to do it. She was subpoenaed and she had to, you know, relinquish these text messages with her best girlfriend. And someone argue like whatever. It's two friends venting. Your friend is on a movie set, Blake telling you that the director is like a total fucking dork and so annoying and like has a man bun and acts like a feminist and Taylor's being a supportive friend. That's one way to look at the other way is, oh my God, we now have an insight into two blonde mean girls that are what is wrong with middle school people that don't grow up. That's if somebody got my phone, girl, just our conversations or any friends conversations. Don't involve Heather. Like we have other groups. I will say we have other group chats where with and it would be involving a guy, not you, Heather, where he'll come in with some rogue comment where I'm like, great. No, I'm involved and I didn't say that and it's too far. Well, I do that. I'm the one who does that. No, but who goes too far in a text or group chat. One million percent because I feel like it's somehow some safe space where I can do all my comedy. And then I go like really far because I think it's safe between people who. So the question is Taylor being your best girlie who's like, yeah, you're having a bad day. I'm totally on your back, girl. Like, yes, he is annoying. What do you need me to do? What do you need me to do? And Taylor think this would end up two years later to be the one of the biggest Hollywood lawsuits and that Taylor is being accused of high. Sorry. Blake is being used of accused of hijacking the show and then and her accusations of sexual harassment and all that are completely false. No, but she did keep her distance when this all came about. They haven't been photographed for a long time together. Are they still friends? Obviously, this is this is bad. I it's it's very stressful to think that all you need to double down on it, though. I would think rather than if it were me, I mean, you just have to be just own it. You just have to own it. I would think as Taylor. So what would you do as Taylor? So far, she's been silent. She did what she had to do legally. She was cooperative, but. Well, we do she believes that canceled was about Blake Lively, the song. Yes. So I thought that was her first like dipping her toe into like, I'm not mad at her. And that was just my opinion from listening to the song 9000 times. Julie and I listened to that album from to back like a bunch of times. And she have like a tour coming out or anything soon or is she doing like her wedding? This is what needs to happen. OK. She needs to fuck Travis. She needs to then put pillows under her pelvis and lift up her legs. And do that for 30 minutes and hope to get pregnant because nothing stops hatred and cancellation quicker than a girl in love who's pregnant. Shout out, Stasi. Shout out to Stasi. So you're engaged. You're in your early or mid thirties. So times a tick in. And this just takes away from it all. It's so true. So get pregnant or get or have the surprise wedding. Just do that. Never mention this. And then it's fine. You'll you'll still be the biggest music star ever. The other stuff that's now being kind of examined is the Scooter Braun of it all. Like now that people now people are really investigating going, was good around a total villain or did he he was like part of a company that she had already sold like she'd already like. OK, when she said this, I'm understanding and I'm probably getting wrong. She besides with this record label part of that contract is they could they own the stuff and they could take it. That company gets bought by somebody else that then he is a part of. So then he had the rights to music. He really didn't do anything wrong. And her own dad benefited and got like 15 million dollars from that sale. But then some people believe she came out all victim to me being like, oh my God, this man took my music. So now I'm going to redo all my songs and release them my own way because I have no rights to these songs. F you Scooter Braun. And now people are like really looking at the course, the events of it. And they're like, maybe Scooter Braun, Scooter Braun actually did nothing wrong. He did, though. He's a piece of shit. OK. Yeah. 100 percent. I'm not saying I know what's going on. I'm saying there's a documentary. And by hood, I mean, TikTok. Yeah, there's a documentary. The issue with going on right now is that Taylor Swift had a backlash because of the Blake Lively thing. Then she came out with Life of a Showgirl, which nobody was feeling except for basically Julie and I and approximately three other people. OK, love it. We like it a lot. Oh, every song except one. And people were just ready to take her down. The level that people went in on the album and were like reading into lyrics and making them into problematic lyrics and all this stuff. She was just she she got overexposed. We were tired of a 17 year tour that never ended. I mean, Julie and I went through and you went through a very sort of dark period personally with like our personal relationships and friendships. And two years later, the bitch was still on tour. I was like, when is this going to go? Like every time you go to a new city, I'm triggered back into like these problems I went through in 2023. So she never ended that damn tour. And then right after she releases this album, which, you know, a lot of people didn't like. And then she gets engaged and it's just like, all right, already, like go off and like live in like, you know, Turks and Caicos for six months and lay on the beach with your with your pregnant belly. Yes. And I think that would be good. I think she's overexposed and then a whole other album could kind of be about motherhood and pregnancy without actually saying it. And then everyone could relate to it because either you are a mother or you're a daughter. You're either one or the other. Yeah. So you've got to relate to that. That's right. Either you've given birth or you've been birthed. That's right. Everyone can relate. And you know, it'll start with like, I've been waiting for you. My whole life, my love of my life. You know what I mean? Well, what that reminds me of. Yeah. And also. Actually, that means the heartbeat. The first time she went for an ultrasound and her heartbeat. Yeah. And that's what the song's called. Yeah. Heartbeat. The way you guys are in your head voice does remind me of when Britney Spears did the reality show Chaotic or whatever with Kevin Thetterline. And everyone was like, huh, it's a slightly uncomfortable and unsafe and distasteful. Then she got pregnant and then did the song at the piano in the white flowing thing to the baby, which sounded much like Thump Thump Thump Harpy. You are my heart. Do you know how mad I am that I was not at the level of stand up while I was pregnant because the amount of female comedians are literally waiting to do their specials while they're pregnant. Why they're seven months plus pregnant. Like now if you're a female and you're a mother and you do a stand up special and you're not visibly pregnant, they're like, ew, what's wrong with you? Why? And I'm like, but I was like, I actually did it. Like I did it. I just wasn't like, didn't have special at the time. You could wear a fake belly. You could. That's good. I was going to be, it's going to be making up for lost, thirst moments and go back into all the old. Welcome to make it for lost, thirst moments tour. Yeah. 2026 or pregnancy era. It's manifest mama. It's going to be the two. Right. You should be pregnant for that because your mama. Because I manifested a baby in my 50s. Sad of manifesting, getting pregnant. Yep. Everyone's got that one friend who's always wearing the cutest outfits. And you're like, where did you get that? Can I just go shop in your closet? Well, that is what not. What not is the greatest shopping app. It is the number one live shopping app in the US where shopping happens in real time with real people, real conversations and incredible deals. You almost never pay full price. 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That was another one where I, where Peter and the boys went and I went to a different movie theater and saw an awful movie with Matthew McConaughey. It's one of the worst movies he's ever done. What is it? I thought it was so juicy. I thought it was about him and his wife and she got, she was killed or something. In the end, it was like based on a little kid like playing like a Fortnite game. They were stuck in the game. It was the worst movie. Look up Matthew McConaughey's. Wait, if you, here we could you just wait, you do it. Matthew McConaughey, worst movie ever. And I like what they went and saw Free Solo. Anyway, you have to put in worst movie ever so we can see if they can. Matthew McConaughey, worst. Nobody knows how to spell McConaughey. Worst movie ever. But I will say this skyscraper thing. So for those that don't know, you don't need to see it because he lived. But the whole point was watch it live in case he falls off and dies. Yes. You will have seen it. He's 40 years old. He's obviously in incredible shape. He climbed the tallest building in the world. It's in like Singapore, Taiwan, I think. Okay. Something. It's unbelievable. I want to watch it. So he's on. Metal climbing up metal. And then like he has to he could. So I say it rained. It was supposed to come on the night before or the day and it rained. So now the building's wet. It's metal and it's slick. So they're like, let's just wait for it to dry for three hours. So now you're going into it. I'm watching it and I just did a quick little like Instagram reel. And I just said, is this guy's mother alive? Because this is such a nightmare. I can't watch it. This is the most any mother of any child, but especially a boy that does risky shit. It is fucking terrifying to watch. Anyway, inside edition used my video and they just called me one woman said. And I'm like, that's when you know that you haven't made it. Well, that's the name. And they put my tiny little thing at Heather McDonald, but not comedian Heather McDonald. Oh, I follow Heather McDonald. That was funny. No, just a woman. I'm just a woman that made a stupid comment. But anyway, one woman said is the name of your next book. Can I say one woman said she's pregnant on the one. Manifesting my pregnancy. I'm honestly more shocked and stunned and flabbergasted that you had nothing to do on a Saturday night. Well, I'm saving up for this weekend. And so anyway, he was he just had like a little chalk in his back pocket. And so then he'd go on slick metal and just kept going up. And then he finally got to the top, top, tippy top and climbed up there. And literally the circle was smaller than this coffee table that he was standing on. And just and I'm like, I can't believe that the wind couldn't just blow him off. And no, no ties or anything when you call no rope, no nothing. It it I'm I have anxiety thinking about it. I need to walk for that. I can't wait to climb on the metal. So it's like he had steps, but in between the steps, he had to make his own. He had to clean like a Spider-Man. Yeah, in between with just these shoes. Then every fifth like break, he would then kind of clean off the shoe. He did it all in like an hour and a half. And then he revealed how much he was paid. Oh, how much was he paid? How much do you think? I'm going to let you know. OK, I would say I was going to say 16 million, 500,000. Total one and done. That's it. Yes, 500,000, 500,000. This is why he's an asshole. He is the biggest asshole for free. He's married with two kids, by the way. I know the thing is with that movie Free Solo, yeah, which is very I enjoyed the movie. And I think it's super interesting. And it's that if this stressed you, the whole thing is just stress. And but the the the the. Do we find the worst movie of Matthew McConaughey? Well, according to Google. Yeah, sorry. Is it called Tiptoes? No. Is it called Surfer Dude? No. Is it called Sea of Trees? No. What the fuck movie did you see? Is it called Dark Tower? No. Is it called Serenity? Yes. Noted for having one of the most absurd and confusing plot twists in recent memory. Serenity 2019 film starring Matthew McConaughey as Baker Dill, a fishing boat captain in Marish Mauritius, whose life is upended when his ex-wife, Anne Hathaway, asks him to murder her abusive new husband. Direct. Is that it? You hear that tagline. Yes. And you would think, Heather, leave Free Solo with your boring two sons and husband and go from rub one out to Matthew McConaughey. I can see you're killing his wife's new husband. You walk in with a white corn like pie, guys. I'm going to watch Matthew McConaughey kill Anne Hathaway's husband. Murder ex-wife. Hot people. By the sea. By the sea. It was going to be everything I wanted. Baker Dill. And then basically at the end, it was like an episode of an old Twilight somewhere. Kid is just like playing a game. I know that's not allowed. And it was in his game. It was the worst. OK, going back about Free Solo, why is it in? The thing again, again, he watching him climb mountain after mountain. Yeah, it's sounding. But the point of the movie really is what an ginormous asshole he is. And all of them are. And every one of them. Who is he an asshole too? He has a girlfriend. He's the people he's around. He also like he's sort of like the head of like a community of people who do this kind of climbing without any ropes. OK. And so they're all kind of assholes. They all are because they're very arrogant. Yeah. They're people around them are scared shitless. The others, the girlfriends, the wives, the kids, they have a lot of them have kids. He doesn't have kids yet in Free Solo. Highly recommend it. It's it's good. Way less stressful than that. When I saw him standing on top of the building and I just saw. We're going to walk still. Yeah. I was like, is anyone who watched that as a sociopath? And like, he should be watching this. Like he should be put in jail because I was traumatized. But the movie is different because he's in these cliffs and mountains, but he basically gets this girlfriend and he's like eating beans and a, you know, he lives in a trailer. But it's like a whole lifestyle. He starts to what I thought was fascinating. And he starts to train her to do it a little. She was already interested in it. She was kind of like a group who followed him on book tours. Right. And they're still married. They get married in the thing. But when they first get together, she's a groupie and you're just kind of like annoyed by her. But then she's learning with him. And when you first learn, you're connected to each other. I guess these ropes and she connects the ropes wrong and he falls and he gets like a very serious injury. And in the middle of the movie, you're like, oh, great. Like he's not going to be able to ever climb again. And then he's kind of resentful of her, but they make it through that. So their relationship and the journey of their relationship and that's who his wife is now. Yeah. So that's interesting. Oh my God. I can't even imagine. Like there is this really funny trend that I totally did on Peter that I saw these videos up where men are just like sitting, doing something. They're at their desk, they're in the kitchen, they're just like watching TV. And then the women to fuck with them will just go in the garage and take a full ladder and just walk past them and go upstairs. And they're like, what the fuck are you doing? And so like, that's so good for Peter. So I, I not film it, but I totally did it. I took a chainsaw and I just like, what are you doing? And I'm like, don't worry about it. Like nothing made sense. A chainsaw, like one glove, like a handkerpper, like all the, and I'm like, what, I know what I'm doing. He's like, wait, he's like, Drake, what is she doing? He's like, I don't know what she's doing. I'm just like fucking with them. And it's the same thing. I'm like, if I did anything wrong like that, like I didn't do something like in a, wherever it's like he's, whenever he asked me to do any kind of help. I'm like, it's so triggering. Cause my dad, once I could drive, my dad would send me to Ace Hardware to get stuff. Oh, oh my God. He has this. I came back ever, it would take four trips. And this is before I could take a photo or call him and go on FaceTime and go, Hey, is this the right screw? Back and forth all the time. And there's always like 12 people working there for one customer. And I'd still get it wrong. And I'm like, I heard anything about that. I'm like, don't even ask me. Don't ask me to pick up this other end. I'm going to do it wrong. Like, so now he just traumatizes the boys. And if they ever are helping him and they have their hands in their pockets, he loses his fucking mind. He's like, get your hands out of your pocket. And they're like, what? I'm just standing here. It's like, what type of drink is like, well, I'm like, what do you drink? Drake, he goes, just looking for pants with no pockets. Just so I, next time dad asked me to help him in the yard, I will be accused of doing something wrong and disrespectful. Like, what is the problem? Like, no, but we're not raised construction workers. Leave us alone. No shit. I have that same exact thing. And I would want to be with my dad so much, like I was wanting to be around him so much. And he was a surgeon. So at his off time, he would tinker with the car. He did woodworking. He was very creative and he did all the shit. So he'd be working on the car and like, hey, daddy, can I help you? And he's like, daddy, can I help you? And he'd be like, yeah, give me the, um, I need the four quarter inch wrench. That's, and I was like, okay. And I know it looked like I would know what that is, but I don't. And, and I would hand him something and the level the man would lose his shit. Like it was as if I had shoved it up his ass. Like it was as if I had smashed the car window and driven over him and away and then got married. I mean, it, it, it. Finally, after 25 years, I'm just like, I don't know. Don't ask me to do something. I don't know. I'm really good at a lot of other fucking things. This isn't one of them. So don't ask me to help. That, that's, that took me a long time to find. I finally found my voice about a week ago. Chapter two. Well, I'm with Peter. I'm like, can you act with urgency, please? Julie's like, do I extra juice with things? She doesn't go fast enough. Brandy's just like a husband. But. Okay. Wow. Speaking of the juicy shit here. The traders. Okay. I talked a little bit about a couple of weeks ago. Colton, former bachelor, had 25 girlfriends, was secretly gay, got engaged. And we have been reminded that he was stalking that girlfriend once she probably realized something was wrong and he hadn't come out yet. So instead he tortured her for about a year or tracked her, put a tracker in her car and sent horrible messages to her on a text. Also sent horrible messages to himself to kind of like Jesse Smollett, the situation to be a victim. And anyway, then he's like, I'm gay and everybody's like, oh, you're all forgiven. We love you. They gave him a bunch of shows. He's on traders and he's pretty entertaining on traders. He's pretty attractive. He's really leaned into being a gay guy now. Like he, like, dressed as kind of fancily and like he's like, you know, and there's a lot of gay people on this cast. So there's a lot of competition in like the outfits and stuff. Anyway, but did you stalk a girl? Because I did. Well, now here's the thing about the show, if you've never watched, let's oh, great. They show us who the traders are. So we're watching it. They don't know. So there's no spoilers. You have watched it. And Lisa, they made her a trader. Thank God, along with Candice and this other cutie named Ron from some other show. And so it's three traders and everyone else's faithfuls. And then it's all trying to guess who should we kick out. And obviously you want to kick out a trader. And I think the guy's name might be Rob. Rob. OK, well, they've now they've kicked out only faithfuls or whatever. Yeah, always. So Holton is smart and he knows it's Lisa Renna. And he's like, I think it's Lisa Renna. And she's like. And so they kind of go at it. And he and he does this thing that to do to a reality star, I think, especially a housewife, she gets like sassy with him or something. And he goes and he turns real housewifey. He wants to be a housewife now. He's he's really leaned into this life of his. And he's like, oh, finally, we see a little feistiness out of you. Oh, finally, we're getting something almost criticizing her for being boring. And she's like losing her mind. And she's like, oh, you want housewifey? I'll tell you something. I've been in this business for 36 years. I was Lisa's fucking Renna before housewives and I'm Lisa fucking Renna after. So I got your number, Colton. And he's like, good, let's see it. Let's let's do a little something for the camera. Dance, little lady. Dance. And she's like losing her mind. So as the show airs, she takes to social media and she writes, let's talk about you being a stalker. And then I mean, this has come out. She's not the one who brought this out. A lot of people reminded us all a couple of weeks ago, but she clearly didn't remember when she was in the house. She didn't remember when she's in the house. She didn't do any research on this guy. And so now she sees everything and it's like, yeah, let's remember what a dick he was. Dada. So then poor little Colton is home, you know, shaking in his boots. Every time he opens his phone because everyone's like, yeah, you are a sick fuck. Like, why did you make this girl's life a nightmare? It's definitely everywhere. And so then he cries and then they make a big announcement, you know, with the with the queen that runs the traders. What's his name? He's so great. Alan Cummings. Yeah. Alan Cummings. And it's like the photo of Alan Cummings. And it's like, please, we don't, we don't condone cyberbullying, leave our cast members alone, stand down, little people, whatever. And then Lisa. Remember how they, Colton and I are great nemesis. Like, please leave them alone. I'm like, you're the one that likes. Like they wanted a housewife and I gave them a housewife. But remember when they did this, had to do this on Love Island with Ariana. She had to come and say, please don't bully our cast and stop cyberbullying people in the cast. And like it's crazy how these peacock, you know, ensemble shows are getting like the internet is just ripping these people apart to the point where they have to go on and say, please leave them alone. This is just a game. Right. It's just a game. But I mean, listen, this is what it is. I mean, we've talked about Jacques with Jacques, Jacques from Daily Mail, but also Australian. They've been doing this with Australian reality shows for years where they literally hijacked their social media. They don't let them see it. Don't let them. They hire someone to take care of it all and so that you don't see any hate. But also at the same time, it's like, you got to know this is going to happen. And and but look, it's very hard not to look at now. Now, Ron Funches, who's like he's great comedian. I knew him from his days on Chelsea. He's been on this show a long time ago. He's very was he nice, lovely, sweet, like very, very sweet, very soft spoken. He has a girlfriend and a baby and a son from a previous relationship who is who has autism and is severely autistic. And anyway, that's always been his thing. He's always been super lovely and funny. So he like everyone hated him on the show because he like pushed for proportion to get kicked out or whatever. And he's like, I know I'm going home. I know I'm going home to my wife and kids and I don't really care. And so, you know, of course, Lisa Rena is pushing for for him because she just doesn't want the heat on her. So she's the trader. But at one point, Derinda, he said, Trader Star, Ron Funches claims Derinda Melody made truly terrible comments that were edited out. And I read the article. I don't know what she said, but he does not like her. He says she's not a nice person. And now he realizes because everyone commented on his behavior, that he too has autism. Was it self-diagnosed? No, he said it since people were watching it and seeing that he thought he was communicating a certain way to the people. And then they were like not receiving him the way he wanted to be received. So he's like, oh, I and then all the audience was like, I think you have autism. And so then he's like, I guess I do like a very different, you know, on the spectrum, but like whatever. And she said something like, we're just trying to get to know you, Ron. And he, I don't know, took a fence to that or something. And he's just like, you don't need to know me. Like, leave me alone. He just thought she was a bitch, but he didn't really say what her bitchiness was. Derinda. And did he just mean she was a bitch? And we all know that. Yeah. But he did say she. Why'd she get a turkey baster? She's like, why'd she get a turkey baster and stick it up your twat? Because you don't have can't have any babies of your own. You know what I'm saying? You know, I like a martini martinis. I like nipples. Two is a good three is a problem. Did he said she said something specific, right? Not just that she was a bitch. But when I read the article, there wasn't anything. There OK, there wasn't something. And it's not good to do that because we always assume the worst rather than not that anything is, you know, but they're really terrible. What are you saying? Did she say something right racist? Right, you know, or against your autistic child? Yeah. Or is it possible for someone just to. Be a bitch? Yes, I'm one every day. I know, I know. Oh, OK. But I mean, not her with him. Like, is it possible that you're in a stressful situation? You might be a socially awkward person. You have anxiety, you're soft spoken, sweet person. And maybe it just wasn't vibing. I don't know. I don't why is everything on a spectrum? Look, what it is is like here you are, you're faithful. OK, so you're like, like I said, three or traders and like 12 or faithfuls. And and then it just feels like the ultimate like bullying moment. You're in this like thing. You don't have a phone. You can't read. You have to do all these other things. And everyone's just like, we think it's you. We think you're lying. We think you're lying. We think you're a trader and you're like, I'm not lying. So then by the time you leave, you're like, I fucking hate these people. Then you come home and you're watching this thing. And you're like, why did my agent talk me into doing this stupid thing? Like now I'm just pissed that I didn't think you're autistic, though. And now I'm autistic. I'm pissed and I'm autistic. I'm pissed. This is what I'm getting at. Yeah, you're pististic. Like you went into the show and you left thinking you're autistic. It's traumatistic. It's traumatistic. Like that's what I'm trying to get at. Like and that that that is the thing about this game. It is a this game is a game of bullying. Remember the first season with Kate Chastain and Brandi? First, they kick Brandi Glanville off or they kick they kick Reza off. Now Kate Chastain is there alone and they are hammering on Kate Chastain. And she is not to be trifled with like that bitch is hardcore. And she sat there with them and she was just like, I'm not a trader and you're all idiots. And they'd already been wrong about Reza and then Brandi. But then she started just being like, actually, why am I fighting to be here? This is like literal living in hell. Well, like what Colton did is he goes into the room where it's Candice and Lisa Rena, who are housewives and they're both traders. And he goes, I help you murder me. I help you murder me because then everyone will know I was right, which is really smart. So now they're like, fuck, we can't murder this fucker because they were because we're his target. So he'll be like, just so you guys know if I die tonight, it's not any of you because I didn't put my fingers at you. I put them at them. So it's pretty smart how he did that, which I'm sure people have done in the past. Whatever. I've watched it some seasons on off in the middle. But now I just caught on to the latest because I'm like, I don't need to watch the old because I know nobody's seen Michael Rappaport close eating his salad. Or whatever. He got the boot. They were the same. Then we would get that we would go into the house and leave with, I don't know how many different diseases then because I would do. I would love to do traders and I would like to do mass singer. Those are the two I'd like to do. We should do both of those. Would you do what you decided? Let's give them something. That's what we really want to be. You want your character to be, though, dressed as like, are you like a peacock or a cute bunny? I would just take whatever they have. I mean, they're running out of things. And I don't know what else. I don't know what would would signify an Irish clover. Oh, a. A leprechaun. Yeah, I know what I am. I'm kind of nothing like I'm imagining something like that has gold things that come up. Like maybe you're like a seahorse or a seahorse or like a daisy or something. I don't know. And then that's yeah, we'll see. What was the other show on the show? This one. Would you be okay mentally on the show? Oh, yeah. OK, she's a sociopath who watched the climbing of the guy up the side of the building. So I don't think I'd be. I don't think I would be like overly upset if they kicked me out and I wasn't a trader. No, it's not the kicking out. I'd be like, OK, you guys were wrong. Like, why would I? Why would that make me so bad? Like, I'd be like, whatever. It just gets a little home now. Like, I mean, I guess it's like, my God, if you're going to like lose your house unless you get to 50, then sure, I guess the stakes are higher. But for me, I'd be like, I just can't believe someone had me be on the show. I think it's like in the corner all like and like looking at you like, oh, I'm not a trader losers. But then what if you are like, I wouldn't even want to be a trader because that's when now you're really just. I don't know what can they say about you that you're a liar? Like, who cares? Yeah, that's true. Like, I don't know. It's like, yeah, it's not like they want to get rid of me because, you know, they're saying something that's not like true or whatever. And they don't sleep in the castle or anything. No. So I would just get triggered by the way someone's looking at me. Yeah. Like, why are you looking at me like that? Would you want to be a trader or be regular, faithful? I'd rather be a trader. Yeah. Otherwise, I don't think it's that fun. Yeah. Like they're not doing any trickery or anything. Like, I don't even get it. You're just trying. I guess you're trying to figure out who's a liar or whatever. But yeah. No. OK. So. We are all rooting for you. Yes, we were because Netflix is doing a documentary on another thing that we've all lived through and it won't be that exciting. And that is America's Next Top Model and Tower Banks is part of it. Probably because she wants to say like, yeah, I was a fucking bitch, but you got to hell watched it. So leave me the fuck alone. So another one of those horrible reality shows along with like biggest loser, the swan. The swan. I wish they brought the swan back. You think you're hot with with Lorenzo Lomas would do a would do a yes, a thing and go look at that pointer fat over there. And like what they thought was like a plus size person was like a size six. In front of like a live audience, like on a stage. Have you seen the trailer for this because it point blank? It in the trailer alone, they're like, OK, you guys, you're going to switch races and then you show they show like J or what are there? Because there's J and then they're both named J, but both of them are like this. Right. Oh, and then they even show Tire Banks even so many times, just being like, yeah, I mean, I was horrible, but you guys wanted it. And she said exactly to a T what you said. Like she says, I was awful. I pushed it too far. I was being pushed and everybody wanted it. And the stakes just raised and raised. People are like in the hospital. We had her whole crew come on to Chelsea lately because they all of a sudden moved to New York and so the crew was like and she later like they found out like that day they were like driving a lot. They're like, oh, by the way, the show like moved to New York and they're like, what? So we got like her makeup artist and stuff. And they said she was so cheap that like their bonuses were five dollar gift cards to like iTunes. Oh, allegedly that's what I was told. Oh, my God. That was a Christmas bonus. That is one thing I would not. I would rather people going around saying that show about being cheap and stuff. It's all true. I didn't want to be cheap and to be thrifty and get like a deal. And then there's another that where you like are are a bad tipper. It's two different things. Two different things. And that's why again, that should go back to Taylor Swift while she she what she gave that money to her people. To me, that was I don't care what she's texting. She can do she's like for me. She understands the sacrifice. She understands that it's a timely thing or a dancer on a tour. Like you're giving up so much. You're not going to be able to do this for the next 30 years. Like it's hard on your body. She's a huge tipper in restaurants, too. They'll take a picture of the. Yeah. And to the to the truck driver and to the she just understood what people. I just thought I just thought like that's it. I'm good with you. Yeah. And then that's what she's trying to be a good friend of Blake. Look how that paid out. Exactly. Well, I had a hundred percent rather somebody say I'd rather someone say she's a bitch or she was drunk, which always does happen. Both of those things. Then like, oh, she's not always talking about you. She's cheap. She's cheap or she's a bad tipper. I would just hate that that that's going to come out in this documentary that she's like, no, I don't know that it will. I'm just telling you a tidbit some juicy scoop for me for my life. But anyway, we'll see. I mean, oh, but that. But you know, the other girl that also Adrian Curry, she went on to do a bunch of shows, Surreal Life. She married Peter Brady from the Brady Bunch, got divorced from him. Now she just does pretty interesting Instagram stuff, letting her hair go gray. She lives on like some farm or something. She lives in Montana. She said, I'm not part of it. They asked me and I was like, no way. Oh, I feel like why not? Yeah, like you're not living a private life. Like you why? I mean, that's dumb. If you were my friend in Montana, I'd be like, go do it. You're trying to get followers. You'll get a couple hundred thousand just from people being reminded that you're like a cool, interesting person. Yeah. I did that. It's such a cut off your nose, spite your face kind of thing. Like, oh, I don't need it. You're not going to pay me. Whether you're a housewife or whatever, when they ask you to go to something, go to it. Yep. Like and tell your story. Yeah. I mean, I wonder if Eva Marcel from Housewives, she was a big one too. Who won? Yeah. That she would be smart to do it. A great story like Monsters Inc. stays with you forever. And Disney Plus is where you'll find your next great story from the return of the award winning hit series, Rivals. Welcome to the naughtiest show on television. To the unmissable crime drama, High Potential. Got a dead body. Got to go. A lifetime of great stories awaits this spring on Disney Plus, 18 plus. Subscription required. T's and C's apply. OK, Sydney Sweeney has a lingerie line and she went to the Hollywood sign and she was trying to put bras on it. Obviously, it was like a stunt to get us to talk about it. She did have a permit to film, but not the rights, obviously, to touch the sign. And, you know, I don't think she's worried about it. I mean, it's all it's a calculated publicity stunt. And and then I guess euphoria comes back and it's like five years in the future. And she has an only fans account. So it'll be kind of fun. Yeah. I didn't know it was her that was having five years in the future. They have to. Yeah, they have to because it's been so long. I thought Jeff Bezos was a was an investor in this. Yes. It is. Yeah. And so it's lingerie, you know, and I'm sorry, but like, you're not going to look like her. No, in it. The bras in the video looked a little bit matronly to me, but she has such big boobs. Yeah, it was like big cups. She's been the face of so many different ads and stuff. But I guess this is this one that she owns. And I don't blame her. You know, it's like, you know what? You got to make the money while you make it. But I feel like if you're trying to, I don't know. I think it's like one of those things where you should establish like a little bit more in the acting world before you do 29,000 products, but whatever, who am I to talk about? Those titties are tidding. All right. Real Housewives of Potomac, they are showing, I guess this is a preview for next week, right? Can they pick up Karen from the prison and she, you know, was able to have somebody do her brains and she is walking out way more lesbian. Yes. Like the walk was like, she had a blazer, she had big ass jeans. And she didn't have heels on the heels, but just the walk, the hard walk, the hard walk said, you know what? Don't fuck with me. Get some massages upstairs and downstairs. And then the question was, where is Ray and whatever? Can I ask you, did you, I never saw, and I did look, I never saw photos of her leaving the prison. No, I don't, I, she gets in the car with the cameras, takes off her sunglasses and she has lashes. So there was, I think this is like a reenactment. Because how did she get her lashes? Well, and also her lip is. And a full makeup. You can't do that in prison. And her lip is freshly done. Freshly plumped. And you can see right here, she does end up saying in the preview that for next week, so they did the whole finale. Do you remind you guys who don't want to show she went to prison for her fourth DUI? Yes. She, and it was in like, I think two of those DUIs was in actual accidents. Yes. So she, they do the whole finale where it's like Wendy and. Oh, right. Fucking Larry with Eddie were arrested for fraud. Right. You know, it was face 15 years in jail or whatever. Then they do Giselle. She's still looking for her man or whatever, all the things. And then you're like, okay, yes, the finale's next week. I mean, the reunions next week and they're like, nope, on next week's season finale. And it's like, what? And then it's Karen getting out of the thing. At a prison. And she in a thing that none of us saw with the lashes, with the makeup, with the outfit, with a fake paparazzi all staged around. And I'm like, we never saw her. This is the reenactment. Then they go and say, the other inmates, her cell mates and friends, cut off their hair and gave her their hair so she could do those braids. Wait, do you really think that's true? I don't know because well, that's like out of a fable or maybe like what? I'm just a story from the Bible. It's Corinthians one, two, seven. And Mary done. And Rachel love story. They're like, my mom told me where it's like, it was a poor couple and the girl had beautiful, beautiful hair and the guy sold his. He sold something to buy this beautiful comb for her hair to put in her hair. And then she cut off all her hair to sell her hair to buy him a gift. It's called like the gift. Both are like here and then she's like bald. And he has a cock ring. Yeah. That he uses with someone else because now she's bald. That uses with his boyfriend. And his name is Colton. Oh, my God. I mean, I kind of believe it. Yeah. I mean, maybe they did it and they reenacted it or so that she could tell the story. They're not allowed to wear wigs in there. So that when people grew their hair out in braids, they would cut them then and then rebraid it. So you'd have like this much hair, then you'd have a thing hair and then you just get the braids together because they are different colors. Yeah. So and so yeah, they gave it to her because she was probably they're like the people like, listen, I may never get out of here, but I want my hair to have a good time. I want my hair at the reunion. And then all of a sudden she's wearing a different like wig at the reunion. They're like, I thought you said my two brains. We're going to meet Andy Cohen. Yeah. Exactly. You bitch. Have you ever seen the Martha Stewart documentary about her? You saw them. I loved the doc. Like there's so many stories even with Teresa where by the time they get out, it's like I can imagine myself and like again, it is always about me being like kind of salty and bitchy like because somebody's getting out and I'm still there forever. But they're always so supportive when someone gets out. They're just like, they're just like, fuck yeah, man. You're out. You're free. And they I believe Karen, one million percent was the grand dom in there. And I think she held I think and Teresa for sure. Yeah, we know Teresa was 100 percent the boss and Martha Stewart is definitely the boss. I mean, I think the kind of girl that should be shared to go to prison is like a young, pretty, you know, rich girl. That's but I now I used to be scared, but now that I'm not that young, I I think I would be just as popular as a real housewife in the end. I do. And also working out guards, free. We are telling their story. I'd be giving anti advice. I'll start the first prison podcast ever made. I'd be like here here, Shannon, talk to this girl, help get her out. Shannon be like, fuck, I just want to talk to you. I definitely thought that Karen was just like, you know what, Marie, I'm going to talk to Roy or what's the husband's name? Ray Ray, we're going to see what we can do. Oh, right. Right. Like, you know, none of you should be in here. She has so many connections. Right. I mean, amazing. OK. Oh wait, I want to ask you what is the scoop on Potomac? Because I have been watching Stacy, who's like the QVC girl who had the fake boyfriend. What is the rumor that she's they're saying that she's actually boned another cast member's husband? Yeah, it was Monique. It was Monique who was on right prior. Who's going through divorce now? Yeah. And he was a football player, but she has not been on for like two or three or even more years. She got a fight with Candice, who is the trader. OK. Monique came back since Candice is gone. And then they just said that while Stacy, who's getting back with her husband, whose name is basically Timo. Yeah. Timo. Wait, Timo. Timo. So she had like a fling or something such as with Monique's husband while they were already divorced. And Monique didn't care. Monique didn't care. But the cast. Is she so is she denying it? She is denying it. She's saying they never had sex. Like hooked up like that. But they hung out and they yeah, they like know each other. They were friends. We're friends. She's the best, Stacy. She's absolutely the best from QVC. She can sell you anything. This table is grounded in a brown. Well, apparently I just can't believe it. We really wanted to meet her. She was accused of having bad breath by numerous cast members. And she just embraced it. She was like, she will not be faltered. She will not. She nothing. And the thing is about. I always remember this from my days of working with Kenai Ruins. He didn't love like a fart joke. He goes because you cannot. It's about smell. You have to be there. It doesn't translate over the screen. So I feel the same. I think going after her breath doesn't go anywhere unless you've actually smelled it. I have to agree. I have to disagree with Keenan though, because a fart can also be about a noise. Yeah, that is true. So that's true. If it's a silent fart, then yeah, but then it's about the smell. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like jokes about smells. Anyway, grosses me out. But on this last fake finale, finale before the finale, Stacey is talking to Ashley and Giselle, who were the main two who accused her. And I told Julia, I said, look what they're doing. And they're both like this. They're she's close talking to them. They're covering their nostrils. They both are. Yeah. Wow. Now they that might be their thing, because they were the ones who brought it to the table. So they want to keep the storyline going. Yeah. But I don't know. They haven't brought it up again. It seems like they're all just dealing. Yeah. We love Stacey. Yeah. She said something about smoking. So at one point. She used to smoke. So we. She had to quit. So we thought maybe she's secretly smoking, which can give. Not it. Yeah. Not help with your breath. Yeah. Hmm. Interesting. Okay. Real housewives of Beverly Hills had a weird moment this past week where Rachel had a party and the new girl Amanda came in. The new girl Amanda revealed that she has a one child. She's stepmother. Then she has one child and then she had twins. And one of the twins, they were both born early, but one of the twins passed five days after birth. So she's so we share that moment where she talks to her husband about it and that the anniversary is coming because every time the one child turns one, then the anniversary of the other one passing is five days later. So as they go to the party and she does share it with Kyle that this is the anniversary, but then she's sitting there and you know, Doreet has her marching papers from the producers or whatever to bring up the fact that Amanda thinks that it's wrong for Doreet to talk about PK as a dad. As just like, I don't think that'll help with custody. It's not a horrible thing to say. She's like, maybe don't be so public about it. Maybe don't put it on the show. It's not going to help. But then Doreet didn't like her because right from the beginning, Doreet says, here's my Birkin bag, my little baby Birkin, my Kelly, to celebrate that I have a book deal, mind you. And everyone's like, oh yeah, but first of all, I know what they're paying for books and you're not buying a Kelly with your advance. So either you had the Kelly already or the Kelly isn't real or you're spending PK's money to buy the Kelly and that's why he's a dick. I don't know. And then so she, and then she goes, I guess something a ghost writer came up and Eric is like, I had a ghost writer. You wouldn't have seen that book come to the light of day if I didn't have someone write it for me. Here's how it came up. Yeah. Amanda. Yeah. So Doreet was like, they're all like book deal, book deal, book deal, book, purse, book deal. Oh, you have a book? And then Doreet, yeah. And I just couldn't, we just contracted the other author and that's when Amanda goes, oh, like a ghost writer. Oh, that's weird. When I wrote my book, I just sat down and wrote it. And then everyone... Well, I even write a book if you're not gonna write it yourself. Yeah. I just did it. Like it's not that hard. It's easy to write a book. I manifested it. Yeah, it's called write as fuck. Yeah. Like, yeah, like I manifested having a best seller and then I manifested my fingers moving. It's not hard to do at all. It's not. Get a pen. Have you heard of one? Yeah. Or maybe like, have you seen this? Have you ever seen this before? Yeah. It's called writing. And I love that they always do the cover photo shoot before they've ever written the book. Not always. So a single word. Let's make sure that we get the cover shoot done. But then everyone had to, and as much as I, and I saw all of them and we had to do it, and I saw all of them and we all felt the same way when she said that. It was one of the most disgusting, but I can't stand her. But that, and I, Bimanda, Okay. And she kept doing it. And she wouldn't stop. Like later it's like, I'll take the filet mignon and she's like, you just write a book. You just sit down and write it. It's like, we're ordering dinner now. We're not still talking about the book writing. Like, well, no, it's not. And then to read it's like, well, you must have a lot of time on your hands. I'm doing it for time. And listen, it is a time. I would tell somebody even if they were a good writer, why not have someone come and spend the weekend with you and they just, and you tell them all of your stories and they go, and then you come back and edit it. Who the fuck cares? Like, what does it matter? And remember how much shit Aviva one legged, Aviva tried to say Carol Radzwell used a ghost writer and Carol Radzwell was like, no, I did not. No, I believe, I do believe Carol Radzwell. No, I did not. I did have Kislai take my photo, but no, I did not need a ghost writer. I did need a photographer. And then everyone, I'm glad Erica said that, because, you know, and then even Rachel Zoe was like, but then everyone who wrote a book had to be like, I die, I die. And then of course she's like, I have two bestselling New York Times bestsellers, but I would never say it. I would never bring it up, but actually I love writing books. I love people writing the books because I die. And oh my God, I think I need to have this. I think I need, are you kidding me right now with the Chanel bag? I just count. It's just quilted, it's denim. It's absolutely, I, like I'm shaking about this vintage bag right now. What I love though that you said, is when you go in your thing, you said, you asked Amanda if there was something wrong with her. Like in the interview, she was like, Amanda, is there something wrong with you? Like, are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay? When Rachel Zoe did? Rachel Zoe said it in the thing, because that was everyone is so, in a group of people where your entire job is to name drop, brag, getting fights, do whatever. You know, let's just say that's the whole thing of the show. For this person to one up that so much that it's, even the one uppers are horrified. Horrified, that says something. So then, Doreet's like, I just want to ask you a question, Amanda. I heard from Kyle that you don't agree with how I'm talking about PK during my divorce. And Amanda's like, yeah, I said that, but like, really don't want to talk about this right now. And she's like, well, that's fine. We can table the conversation, but I want to have the conversation. No, because like, you know, this is the anniversary of, and then she says the child's name. I forgot the child's name, and then all of a sudden, Kathy Hilton's like, oh, is that your dog? No, that's my child. It was my child. No, that's my child. Everyone's like, oh my God. Well, of course it's so incredibly sad. But this is where Doreet like doesn't read the room, has her clues. She's like, well, I'm sorry, but you decided to come to this event and I need to get this scene out where I'm going to address it with you. Oh my God. So it just comes off horribly, but I do have a little sympathy and empathy for Doreet and everybody there. Except for Kyle, nobody knew that this was her anniversary. And if she really was feeling like that, you know, of course you don't have to go to every event. Now you want to go because it's filming. But if your kid is singing the solo at school, if you have the flu, if you have some other business, they cannot force you to go. It's real life. So it's like she wanted to go. And so I feel for that. Okay. Real House of Salt Lake City was, what is your thoughts on what is going on? I need you to explain that there is this controversy. It was so hard for me to understand. Where Brittany, the new girl, is accused of supporting a manicurist who is an anti-semi. First, I want to say while I'm looking for this, Mary Cosby's a monster. Okay. Okay, now. I've not seen the Mary Cosby documentary last time we were with you. And so we saw it and we were pretty like disturbed by it. It definitely affected our impression of Mary and even the reunion watching it, she just came across very, very manipulative. But this thing with Brittany, who is a very friendly girl. Okay. But we also love Meredith. Is a convoluted story that Julie has attempted to. So basically during the reunion, Meredith has been fighting with Brittany the whole season. Well, because Brittany brought up a TikTok from nowhere saying that Seth has a girlfriend and it's not true. Right. So we know that Seth is completely faithful. Okay. Haven't he even called and said he was? We're doing better than ever. Doing better than ever in the tub. We do have a girlfriend with anyone besides me, Drake. So then Meredith just drops a bombshell. Which is? Why are you mad at Brittany? Well, Brittany, apparently Brittany left a positive review for a nail salon, either owner or nail tech, but I think it's the nail salon owner who made an anti-Jewish comment. But then you say what? Turns out. What? Well, here's the story and I found there was a news story. So Meredith even said in the reunion, it was all over the news. And apparently it was. So here I'm gonna play the story. Okay. So you can hear it. Okay. So here's my, use my phone. Okay. Screenshots of anti-Semitic messages allegedly sent by its owner were shared online. ABC4's Annika John spoke to the man who received these messages and learned what's followed since. We took a group photo with the menorah. What started as a simple social media post quickly turned the world of Jason Singer upside down. I posted the photo Friday morning and shortly after Hunter had DM'd me saying, oh, you're a Jew. In screenshots sent to ABC4, an account with the username, I'mHunterAllen, sent a series of messages to Jason. He says are full of offensive accusations against the Jewish community. And I said, I don't understand why me being Jewish would elicit any negative reaction from you. And to which he replied, Jewish people are pedophiles that run to Israel to escape persecution. This is when Jason says he took the social media sharing the conversation. As a fellow business owner, I think the community has a right to understand the type of people that own the businesses that they spend their money at. Okay. The only way that he can. So cut to your new housewife and you get a message from Henty Nail Bar. Henty. Saying I'd love to give you a complimentary gel manicure. So no housewife turns down anything. Hence, why Brandi Glanville also didn't turn down a parasite that crawled into her skin. Who knows what happened with her face? But sometimes people think maybe you went and visited too many doctors for fillers, we don't know. So she gets her nails done. And then he reaches out to her and is like, hey, can you leave me a good review? And she's like, sure. And wasn't aware of this new story. Apparently. And Jared also. Yeah, I love my nails. Yeah, and Jared also left a review. And Jared is the osmant. Oh, he's also getting nails done? Gross ass boyfriend. He was in the background for some reason. He left a review. So they both did it. And then Meredith, who was Jewish, found out that they both left reviews on this guy. And then she's put that in her stack of why she hates Brandi. No, she called her and asked her to remove it and she wouldn't do it. To remove the positive review. And she told her the evidence of the pedophiles who run to Israel or whatever. And the other employees. And that basically said he was toxic. And then she just said he's been nothing but nice. I'm so sorry. Brandi was very lovely. She's like, I'm so sorry. That does not reflect how we feel. But he did great nails. And he was never in anything but nice to me. And Meredith's like, well, I'm just not going to. So she got her feeling sure. You know what she should have done? It would totally have been a great housewife moment. Meredith said, actually, Brittany, I do have something for you. And then she just goes over to skips or like some regular nail polish. And it's like, you can do your own nails rather than have it done by an anti-semi. You'll never get another recommendation from me. I mean, I personally want to give a shout out to the woman who did the news story. I wish she would be transferred to KTLA. I was loving and living for her. Oh my God. I mean, that is, I mean, Hunter. Well, now I see it. Come on, Hunter. And then I've seen that Brittany has said, like I won't film with Meredith and all of this. And... Meredith was very, very hurt. I mean, she really took it real personally. But I understand why it's just such a sensitive subject and then you're kind of like a couple degrees away. But then it's almost like Brittany probably felt, you're accusing me of being that. Well, then she did and Brittany got up. That is not true. And I don't, Brittany, no way. Absolutely not. And she got up and that made her cry. And she's like, I'm not an anti-semi, did I do? And for a million percent, we don't think she's a little bit. She had no problem being like, bitch, I'm not your friend, I'm not taking the review down. But then the, without ever putting, I don't think two and two together, that now this is going to come back on her that she feels that way. And the minute that occurred to her at the reunion and you can see, I mean, she got up and walked off. I mean, she's horrified and doesn't want that out there about her. She seems like a loving, sweet person. I will say, and even even think she's four friendly, all three of us with Brittany, and we like her. But I mean, I'm not gonna, I don't want Meredith off the show. No, I don't want anyone off the show. And then the other juicy thing that happened was Lisa Barlow was accused of creating a fake account to write positive things about Lisa Barlow, but negative things about whoever she's having trouble with at the time. And Angie believes it's her because she said, there was my daughter's birthday and you hadn't followed, you hadn't seen my stories, but Candice's show or some, one of the fake name is, did see my stories. And right away, you texted me and said, oh, it's your daughter's birthday, happy birthday. How would you know that? Except that you have these two accounts. One is Lisa Barlow and one is this other person. Lisa Barlow says, it's not me, it's not me. And then they said, well, we suspected it was you. So we went to log in and they said something like, what's the number associated with this? And they typed in Lisa Barlow's number and then it prompted another thing. Like the last four numbers. And therefore they said, that's why we know it's you. Since that's been out, other people have debunked this theory and they said, no, you could do that with anybody. It doesn't mean, because I was like, wait, you could find out that easily just by plugging in someone's number that you suspect might be trolling you that you know. And no, so I don't know that we'll ever know the truth on that one. I just want to say this, for any of them to be concerned about Lisa Barlow having an alternate thing, or I don't even, whatever the bullshit that they care about. The only thing, if you're cared about fraud or whatever, then you care about Mary Cosby. I'm, I- And Bronwyn. And Bronwyn, who also committed fraud. But Mary Cosby stole people's 401ks. She took old people's money, poor people, vulnerable people. She fleeced people out of money. She was ahead of a cult. Watch the documentary. And she married her, even though it's her step-grandfather, he was like her father. He was Woody Allen to her being Sunyi. She is a manipulative, talk about a sociopath. And whether she can have redemption or not or whatever, it is 100% in my opinion. I was just sitting there going like, Heather Gay is yelling at everyone about being a good friend and had to do and this, that and the other thing. While sitting right there is someone who literally stole money from people. Here's a thing that people don't like, I agree with you in that, but it's show business. And bad behavior is rewarded, whether you're a scripted actor or a reality show person or whatever. They, you know, being- Except for if you're Jen Shaw. Yeah. And- That's right, exactly. Yeah. And maybe she'll come back and redeem herself too, but there are certain crimes that the audience, because they like you and they enjoy you, they just wanna forget it. And religion is kind of a hard thing because I think people see it as, well, adults chose to be part of this church. There, it isn't like she has, you know- Right. Really like hurt children or anything like that or- Well, one could say adults chose to invest in Jen Shaw's thing. People with consenting minds went on Facebook and they were grifted- Yeah, but they were totally lie. And so was it. Mary Farz, we've lied to them. I'm just kinda doing double that. I'm saying, why isn't that the audience is louder about somebody else? That's the question. The audience is very loud if they find out that you might follow an account that isn't politically on their side. Oh, you pushed like. Why nobody would- But why doesn't anyone think about the fact that like, well, I wanna hear what the crazy other side is saying. If I'm following it, it's cause I wanna see it. I don't- Right. Just because it's like, they think about Instagram, it's like TV. Yeah. And just then you're like, we found out that you watched this show. That must mean that you believe this. Like, I think that whole witch hunt thing is really lame. And the fact that Peevner will get more angry about something like that than what you actually did with 20 years of your livelihood is like crazy. Bananas. Agreed. I do think that with Mary Cosby though, the documentary has not been seen enough. Whereas the Jen Shaw stuff, because it played out on Salt Lake City, and also Salt Lake City did not feature the Bronwyn stuff enough. People just aren't aware, but the documentary about Mary Cosby's out there, and we recommend like watching it, only because she sat at the reunion as well and told Lisa Barlow she was dark. She sorta sat on a high horse at the reunion. If she had been more humble and kind, and she has been more likable in the last couple seasons with her son and just her whole vibe and her dog. I loved her relationship with her dog. But she sat at the reunion and pretty much manipulated every conversation to be negative about Lisa and never about herself. They all told on her. They all said, we've heard horrible things about her weird church and all that stuff. But they all want, they all like being on the shelf. And they know just like the Greek tragedy, they all have to get along for the cameras. They all have to play along. It seems though after this last one, the cast when I was at the party at Kyle's is very split. So Meredith was a guest of the party and was hanging out with Lisa Barlow who's actually on the cast. And then Bronwyn and Whitney were hanging out. And they were the four people from the show. And they never were even on the same side of the backyard. So I don't know, but I think in the end, yes, they'll all be back because they all are really valuable to the show. I will just say as the last comment on that reunion, we have one more episode left. But if you go back and we've watched it several times and it is hard to watch because it is a lot of talking over. And when Andy Cohen finally gets up and walks out, which was kind of lame because then he just turns around and walks back. But the person that was really, in my opinion, driving a lot of that over talk was Heather Gay. And she's, you know, she's got three homes and four cars and putting three daughters through school. And she's got two best sellers and she produced executive produced a docu series. And I think she's feeling that she's untouchable right now with the network and that could be true. But it wasn't her best reunion by far. Well, then you were gonna die at the rumor or came across last night in the streets. What is it? And by streets, I mean, TikTok. What did the street sang? Please. That allegedly rumored, okay. So none of this is factual. There is a real house of Salt Lake City, cast member who's been in a relationship with a woman, not on the cast, with another woman. And the comments were heavily Heather Gay. Was it a woman from another cast? No, just a regular. Just seeing one. And I don't know why they all jumped on that. Is that why? That's just the comments. Okay, let me work it out for a minute. My first instinct right now, I'm telling you right now, is it's Whitney, is who I think. Okay, I don't. Oh, you don't. I would have said that in the past. I don't now because after talking to Whitney and Bronwyn at the party, at the house party, they are definitely good friends. I don't think anything else is happening there. And I think Whitney. Well, I don't think they're hooking up. And Whitney was in Sundance with Justin. I just don't think she has time for that right now. How's she been with her? I don't know if it was an absolute, she said it herself. I think Bronwyn, no. She, if she's seeing anyone, I think it's a guy. Well, she said she got with women too and went all the way. Right, but I don't think, that's maybe why this rumor started, but I'm telling you, no. Right now, no. Okay, yeah, so have a good day. I don't have any reference to this or anything, but I could see why, as just a fun rumor to talk about, why people would point a finger at her just because, A, she's been single for years. She better lean on it. She hasn't had anybody. She made a bigger deal out of the captain of the below deck. Yeah, she did. Like, she still. Constantly about dicks and stuff. Yeah, like just, yeah, talking about a little too much. Like a lot of dicks. Like a Todd Christie. She's just always talking about dicks. Like, I gotta have sex with Julie. And I love, yeah. And she is very intense with the other women in terms of just. That would be such a coup. Yeah, and you know, then she could get merch. Heather gay be gay. Ooh, Heather. If Heather gay, Heather gay. Turns out to be gay. Amazing. That is amazing. Anyone can make this stuff up. Yeah, it's just a dumb thing. Heather actually. People leave their opinion. Yeah, I've known one person my whole life whose last name was gay and they were gay. And if it were Heather gay is also gay. Heather gay is also gay. Would be amazing. I mean, she does have big hands. But I mean, the fact that my name is Heather McDonald and never once have I gotten any kind of opportunity to do an ad with McDonald's is crazy. That is crazy. And they've hired Ross Matthew. They've hired Christina Pazinski. What? And I have tagged them. I have talked about the items I like at McDonald's. What the hell? And I just don't understand why. What items do you like? I always let, well, there was a time they had these grilled chicken like wrap things. Your chicken McDonald's chicken gal. I'll die over their breakfast sandwiches. Yes. Love the diet, coax. Love the softy ice cream. Oh, what about the fries? I love the fries. Price are the best. They're whole fountain soda game across the board is delicious. If Heather Gay gets to be gay and work that marketing deal, then I deserve one partnership with McDonald's. You do. If someone is working in the McDonald's operation, why you've not gotten me to do something with it? We want the brand deal. Also, I will say Goldman, Goldman Sachs. Why don't you give me a call and give me some money? How about that? Why don't you invest and give me like a portfolio and stop being some Jewish moneylenders? Like get it, like come on. So Jennifer Aniston's boy for them been going out about a year. He reveals their relationship origins from TMZ. He wrote a book like the possibility of possibilities or something. He's hypnotist. Oh, God. He is a wellness coach. Uh-huh. And I mean, very much Amanda. Oh, gosh. He is a... He's man Amanda. He can hypnotize AF. Yeah, hypnotist, hypnotist AF. But he's very cute. And all these things are not hurting anybody. You don't have to buy the coaching series. You don't have to buy the book. Nope. They figured out a way to inspire people to get hypnotized. And I just think it's very funny that, you can hypnotize someone to fall in love with you. Now he said it was a long process. A longer process they met through friends. They were just friends and everything. But, you know, she's had a great time. And I can imagine that she's like, oh, I thought I was like, please don't take your necklace and go back and forth in my face. Cause I'll be like, who's this silver-haired fox? But we, actually I am a really positive person every morning I get up and I'm like, oh, I want some coffee. I want a new day. And he's just so right for me. And he has hypnotized people into realizing that they can make as much money as Amanda. He's gonna go on tour with Amanda. I'm gonna, and just like me, I'm gonna manifest, manifest mama to her. Oh yeah. Bethany did say. Bethany Frankel? Yes. She did try to date this guy too. Cause there's always a lot of cross. Just only like about seven, eligible guys. Salt and peppered guys that have like decent abs. She went on one date with him, I think. Bethany did go on one date with him. And he was great and cool, but they just, they didn't vibe, but she said he was great. She didn't have anything negative to say, but she did give the tea. Bethany Frankel was just photographed with another, again, one of the seven eligible men that have enough money that have salt and pepper hair and a decent body walking around this earth. The cameras just happened to have caught them going to the beach. Is he as good looking as? Maybe not as good looking, but at the same level. Like where every woman is like, yeah, I could date him realizing, no, everybody could date him. Like, you know what I mean? You think you're low on your standard, but like he's a legit, good looking guy. That's his age. That's what they need to be teaching the classes on, these guys. There should be more than seven eligible 50-something gentlemen walking around. So just try to make these guys better? Yeah, like come on guys. Like you can. Well, that's what a queer art for the straight guy was for. And then it turned into the Fab Four, and now they just all are holding hands and crying for the Fab Five or whatever it's called now. Exactly, exactly. It's like, yeah. Get the Turkish hairline surgery. Yeah, lose a little. Get some family inheritance and let's get it on. Get some family inheritance. That's really what it is. There is just so few eligible men, like over 50 that you'd want. And a hair is a big part of it. Like Peter's got a nice head of hair. Yeah, I guess. I know so many times I just like watch something like The Golden Bachelor or even any like Love is Blind. And I'm like, I should be more appreciative that I got a man. Hey, hey, you got a man. Okay? I got a man. You know what I mean? You know what? You have a good man. And he's like Heather, you're like, oh Peter, just now. I'm watching TV. Right now. Go bug Drake. Yeah. Girls, tell everybody how they can get more of Brandi and Julie in their life for laughs, for knowledge, for inspiration. For knowledge, we do have our, we have a political free podcast called Dumb Gay Politics. It's on the liberal side, but we do our whole thing is we talk about politics like we talk about reality TV. So it's fun and now is a very intense time. But we do keep it funny and light. It's a comedy. Yeah. Yeah. And then we have a Patreon podcast where we do not discuss politics. At all. So it's just an escape. And it's just anyone who's anyone who's everyone is welcome and it's a great community. And it does have a community. Like there's a whole very interactive community on our Patreon and it's positive and it's supportive and it's funny and it's fun. And we don't allow any bullshit, no bullshit. So that's where you can find us. And we'll be in Minneapolis, February 24th through March 23rd, Nightmare and Strip Street at the Hollywood Theater. That will be something that town needs to enjoy. They need it. And everything for me is at heathermcdottlet.net. And so check out those tickets. The league will be there for wise guys in Salt Lake City. Mormons come along. It's two shows a night. It's like six and eight 30. I like it early. Nice. Let's go mom talk. Yeah. Stay in the mom talk. Thank you everybody. Love you. Bye. When you're on video calls all day, clear communication matters. Shored delivers complete conference room solutions that make meetings sound professional and just work. Sure. Built for collaboration. Learn more at shur.com slash collab.