Elon Musk Vs. OpenAI (ft. Zac) | May 14, 2026

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I appreciate you guys having me today. Yeah, of course, Zach. Of course. It's going to be a fun discussion. We've got Mad Dog McKenzie behind the glass. And we got a lot to get into today. Eventually, we are going to talk about the open AI trial that's been going on. So it's like two of the richest people in the world, or most powerful people in the world, Elon Musk and Sam Altman going at it in court, trying to figure out who owns open AI, whether it's a nonprofit, whether it's a for-profit, who has control of it, and exactly how much rhino ketamine Elon did at Burning Man in 2017. So we're going to get to the bottom of that. You ever done rhino ketamine, Zach? I haven't, but the answer for him has to be so much, right? I think if you're in for a penny, you're in for a pound when it comes to rhino ketamine. Really? Now, is the rhino significant of the scale of physical weight of the ketamine, or it could take out a rhino? I think it's like it gives you the power of a rhino. Oh, it turns you spiritually into a rhino. I think so because it's a mix of like meth and ketamine at the same time, so it gets you amped up. What a day. I mean, that sounds a little bit terrifying, but like good on Elon, you know? Yeah, hey, listen, if you come out the other side after a day on rhino ketamine, good for you. You come out stronger than you went in. You sound familiar with the effects. I've never, no, I've never done ketamine, never done rhino ketamine. I didn't, I, certainly not. Wow, you're jumping to conclusions. I said you sound familiar. Oh yeah, I read. And then you immediately said, why don't I don't do, I didn't think you did. I thought that was implied when you said I sounded familiar with it. You know what happens when you assume PFT? Yeah, I guess I do. Today, we got a lot to get into. Right off the bat, is everybody okay? Everybody come to work today feeling like 100%, no sniffles, no sniffles. No, no. Is the Hanta in Illinois? Yeah, the Hanta's here. Well, they're investigating. Oh, I can't, I gotta go. I saw one of the guys was on TikTok like posting his Omaha quarantine room. Oh, I didn't see that. So we're back to the quarantine room toys? I don't know, it didn't say hotel. It looked like- Are they in like a hospital? Yeah, it looked more like a hospital, but like, it was decent. He had a lot of room. There was like a Peloton bike in there. It was pretty good. They have a fridge, like it, yeah. It was, it wasn't bad. He said he did not test positive, but he was quarantining and it was like his second day. Yeah, that's, I remember, that's heavy like 20, 20 vibes right there. Being like, this is my quarantine. This is my bubble that I'm in right now. The meals that are like bread and one carrot. Yeah, I've got my Peloton right here. Do my classes. That's definitely getting- Did you own one prior to that? I did, but I didn't really start using it until, until the shelter in place that we had in New York City. Two weeks to slow the spread, as I said. Yeah, that was, I was in such good shape by the end of that. I was doing, after like a month, I was doing Peloton just about every day, sometimes two days. And I was down like 15 pounds, feeling great. And then of course you burn out on it, just like you burn out on anything that you do that much. But yeah, I, the guy doing like TikToks, showing off like, hey, here's what I'm doing. That's just giving me big time flashbacks to 2020. But- Zach, I know, I know you're a video game guy. That is true. Was COVID for you like- Oh, shut it down again. The greatest nights of your life. Shut it down. Yeah, I do another two. I do two weeks. Two, I would flirt with the idea of like four to six months, as long as there's no death. Four to six months? If there's no, if there's no death, I'm in for four to six. Four to six, why four to six? You had to be there, man. Just feel, I mean- Peak Warzone. It was special, PFT, so special. With your boys. I mean, I was there. Four to six months is a long time though. Think about how many Peloton rides that is. Yeah, but there was no sports on. Did you just play one game or did you like evolve? Did it go from one to another? It was just like, it was two games, mainly just Warzone and NBA 2K. Yeah, Warzone was big then. The Warzone during COVID was special. Yeah, it was. What was the name of that map? Verdance. Verdance, yeah, Verdance. I remember Hank taught me how to play. He was like, we gotta hop on the sticks. And then I showed him how to win at Warzone. Hank never won without me. He needed a coach because he gets like ADD. So he would find himself in like a very good position. And then he would just do something really stupid because he got bored. It's like, dude, we already knew that there were three guys back there, Hank. Why are you running at all three guys at the same time? Hank, to his credit, didn't like to camp. But I was like, there's a happy medium between being reckless and camping out and trying to win the game. So after probably like two months of Hank having two Warzone coaches, we finally got him a dub. And but we had him on like an electric collar leash that entire last game. It's like, dude, you don't need to always charge people. You don't need to go into that building. You're fine where you are. I think I could go for another like two weeks. Two weeks of quarantine would be fine, I think. After that, I go crazy. Maybe we do. And I guess we've missed the boat a little bit. We'll have to do it every six years. I was gonna say maybe every five years, we just, everyone takes two weeks off. It's two weeks. Together? Yeah, yeah, everything's closed. You just gotta hang two weeks, a little sabbatical. Is this worldwide? Sure. Okay. That'd be kind of cool. Yeah. It's like everyone just kinda chills out. What are they doing in Spain? What's it called? Siesta. But there's a better, there's more of a name for it, right? I don't know. Maybe it is just, it's every day. Yeah, after lunch. It's like two to four, you can't go anywhere. Yeah, it's like everything's closed. After lunch, yeah. They got built in nap time? Oh yeah, yeah. Oh my, what are you doing it wrong? Like if you go out on the street, there's nobody out there. Everywhere in Europe, really. It's like they take their lunches very seriously. You go to France, you try to go out somewhere between, yeah, two and five, every place is closed down. I could say being huge from around the community building, we should adopt that. But you know, Zach, that's how they, then they want everything for free. Oh, it's a whole thing? I just thought we were taking my good lunch. It builds a soft population. But we're already, we're relatively soft, why not just enjoy the simple things? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but no, we work harder over here. Yeah, we work hard. They also get like two months off every year. They get to just go party. Well, they also make like 25 grand. Yeah. They seem to be pretty happy. Did you see the thing recently? They asked people in England, where do you think Great Britain would rank GDP wise as a state in the US? And the average response was seventh and they would be 51st. They'd be last? Yes. Behind Alaska, I guess at the oil. Behind Mississippi, who is currently 50th, yes. Behind Mississippi. They were unpleasant to learn that. I bet, I can imagine. Big T, where do you stand on the big debate? Who's less racist? Mississippi? What a. Or Louisiana, who you got? Yeah, what a quote from that guy. Yeah, so to set the stage, if you haven't heard about it all. This of course happened Monday, right as we finished recording. It did. Yeah, Lane Kiffin did an interview in Vanity Fair as SEC football coaches tend to do. And he discussed being the head football coach at Ole Miss and Oxford, Mississippi and how he heard from parents and grandparents who were recruits that they wouldn't let their grandchildren or children go there because of the state's history with racism. And now Lane Kiffin doesn't have to deal with that now that he's working at Louisiana State University, which has zero history of racism. He said they tell him there's no segregation here implying that there is in Oxford, Mississippi, but not in South Louisiana. Yeah, I think that it's probably true that if your grandparent, in many cases, a parent in Mississippi, you think that you don't feel that that state is a safe place for your grandkids to go. Like based on your experience growing, you can understand that, certainly. Here's the thing about Lane. Do I believe the situation he described happened at least once? Yes. It was never raised when he was the most powerful person in Mississippi. No. He felt comfortable enough with the University of Mississippi for his daughter to attend school there. It seems an odd time to raise this concern when you could have done much more about it even several months ago. And sometimes when people levy that accusation, like, oh, you left and then you started talking about it, why don't you do anything while you were there? It kind of rings hollow, because a lot of times people are powerless, like given, depending on what that job would be for Lane. But in this case, when he was a football coach at Ole Miss, he definitely had some power. He definitely could have spoke out about a lot of stuff. He was the highest paid government employee in the state and also the most popular person in the state. Yeah, he definitely had some power that he could have spoke up with. But now he's at LSU and he's, I did, I loved the Photoshop's that I saw going around yesterday. There were some great ones. Lane Kiffin leading a march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge was maybe my favorite one that they had. The Mississippi Burning. Yeah. Movie poster. Yeah. That was, Kim and Gene Hackman. It was great. But now we've devolved into kind of like a war between the LSU Tigers and the Ole Miss Rebs. By the way, I love- And using each other on who is more racist as a college. Right. I do look forward to the day that Lane finds out why LSU was called the Tigers. You see, that's the thing. It's like, okay, one is called the Rebels and the other is called the Tigers named after a battalion in the Civil War. Yes. That actually tracked down and killed former slaves, correct? I can't attest to that, but it was a regiment of the Confederate army. Yeah. So, but thank God, Lane got out of that racist hellhole that is Mississippi. Yes. And now he's in Louisiana where they grow up and live and breathe and work every day together as brothers. Yeah. And I think bads ever happen. I do love Louisiana. Like if the question for me is, which state would I personally rather live in? It's hands down, I would rather be in Louisiana. I love Louisiana. Now I've never really been to Mississippi outside one weekend in Oxford, but I love Louisiana. But I also love that Lane Kiffin chose to do this in an interview with Vanity Fair and then apologized for it immediately. Being like, I didn't know it would come across like that. Yeah. In the same article, he said, I hope all the things I've said don't come across derogatory because I love that place. Let me tell you something. If you thought that the golf ball and mustard bottle were bad, he's in physical danger when they go there on September 19th. Now I do think there's an element of, Tennessee fans are crazy. And there's 100,000 people in the Elan Stadium as opposed to like 60 at Vaude Hemingway. But I mean, he's doing everything he can to provoke those people. What do you mean by those people? Ole Miss fans. Okay. And he's gonna be, they better have him secure. Yeah. They're gonna need like the Pope Mobile for Lane Kiffin. They're gonna need, you know how in soccer they've got the technical area on the sideline with the plastic things that go over their heads. They should probably get one of those for Lane. I don't, you know, I don't like or particularly dislike. I dislike, I'll issue a little bit. I don't care about either of those schools. Really, I will be rooting hard for Ole Miss in that game. Yeah. I mean, Lane, every place that he leaves with the exception of FAU, I feel like he left FAU on relatively good terms, right? Yeah. Cause they knew at some point, you know? Lane was gonna make his way back. Right. But most places that Lane leaves, there's like a trail of, I don't wanna say destruction, but there's kind of chaos that- Largely of his own doing also. Right. With USC, I don't know. Do we know what happened with USC? In terms of what? Well, I know that he was fired on the tarmac. Right. I know that, but I don't know that- So that's the only one he hasn't left voluntarily? Yeah. At Tennessee, he had the press conference at two in the morning and scurried out the back door. Obviously everything at Ole Miss last year. So yeah, he doesn't make it easier on himself. And then he goes into Vanity Fair and says everyone there's racist. He didn't say everyone there's racist. I understand. What he said, because what happens with all these, we end up like having an argument about something about the argument, about something about the argument. With this, he said that recruits would tell him, hey, coach, we really like you, but my grandparents aren't letting me move to Oxford, Mississippi. He said the school did not distance itself from old Southern imagery. You know, wasn't Faulkner, was he from Oxford? I don't know if he's from Oxford, he's from Mississippi. You know how you could tell Faulkner would get more drunk over the course of a chapter as he was writing? So by the end of the chapter, you're like, what is this guy even talking about? Because he's had his whiskey. Lane Kiffin, he's doing yoga now. He gets more woke over the course of every interview. So at the end of every interview, now he's talking about latent racism in Mississippi and how we can solve it. He gets more progressive as the interview goes on. Yeah. Fat Lane would have never said that. No, no, Fat Lane would not have. Fat Lane would have been like, it's about tradition. Period. Skinny Lane probably would have said that six months ago too. Yep, true. Oh yeah, yeah. If the checks are clear in, for sure. Faulkner's from New Albany, Mississippi. Okay. Where about is that? I'm looking. Do you have a favorite author, Zach? Favorite author? Mm-hmm. It's okay. I don't think I've read enough books to have a favorite author. I dabble in books sometimes, but as far as a standalone favorite go-to writer, I wouldn't, I don't think I'd have one. What books did you like in school? I used to collect the Goosebumps books because those had holographic covers. Yeah. In full transparency, I didn't read them. I did collect all the covers, except for like three. And they felt cool, right? Yeah, they had, some of them had texture and they were almost exclusively holographic. So those were fun to look at. Did you read Mike Lupica? What was that? Mike Lupica? Oh, he's the go. Is that a guy? No, probably not. Oh, Zach, you gotta go read the Lupicas. The, what is it? We're talking science fiction, fantasy. No, they're all children's sports novels. They're about like a kid who gets to throw the halftime like $50,000 throw at the Patriots game and like the, I think there's one called Summer Ball. It's about like an AAU basketball team. They're very, very good books. I've lived the Lupica life up until now, but I'm down to check them out. Okay, yeah. Definitely. Yeah, you should read those. What other ones? We're about like mandatory reading in school. Did you like any of those books? I didn't, so I didn't, I didn't do much of the mandatory reading in school. Yeah. I did, I've read the, let me snicket series. Yeah. Is that what it's called? Yeah, yeah. They have the textured edges on the book. You know how they do the crimped pages? You're big into the texture. You know what I'm referring to though? The books have the crimped edges. I do know what you're doing. That entire series does. You're really big into texture. I think that's part of a reading experience for sure. Okay. You like to feel the book. So you never, you never read a Kindle, not that woke bullshit. No, we got, yeah. We got better Kindles already. You like games, go do your fingernails. Yeah, if we're gonna read a book, it needs to be fully immersive. I need to feel like I'm doing something studious. Yeah, what about Animorphs? Did you read those? No. What's Animorphs? Do you know the ones I'm talking about? That seems up your alley. They were like the rival in a way to goosebumps. Those were the ones that on the cover, it had like a human turning into an animal. I've seen those, I think one of my friends had those. Like it's like a man goat or like a second cousin horse, stuff like that. Yeah. I've seen those, yeah. Yeah, those might be the next iteration of books that you would want to collect. Probably should get into reading though. They say it's good for your vocabulary, extends your, that way you're not so limited. You have like a, you can speak better. Be more verbose. See, I'll get to verbose through reading. I'm not there yet. Exactly, yeah. So what do you think about audio books? Are those less studious? I tried the audio book because I was like, this is probably great. You have a little bit of a road trip through the audio book. I have a hard time retaining the audio book in full transparency. You get, you go through like two minutes and you're like, I didn't hear anything. I gotta go back. What do we listen to? Yeah. Sometimes I do that with just regular books too. I'll get to the end of the page and I'll realize I did not pay attention at all to like the entire thing I just read. Yeah, read and comprehend. What a waste of time that would be. Read and comprehend is just slippery so. Did you go to the book fair as a kid? I did go to the book fair. Love the book fair. Love the book fair. I'd do any, give me two more weeks of COVID but with no COVID and a book fair and I'll be good to go. Were you more of like a scented eraser guy or a poster guy? Poster. I still remember the Jeff Frank Coore poster I got at the Scholastic Book Fair. I'm sure I got some other sports ones but yeah, big into the posters. Not as much into the knickknacks. I would do books too. I'd get some good books. But big poster. Were you like an eraser guy? The wacky pencils? I enjoyed them. The different variations of mechanical pencils. You know what I did? Like the pens with the multi-color ink. Those are fun. Yeah, that you could, had all the colors on the top. You're inevitably gonna get in trouble for clicking that way too much though. It's easy to play with the hands. Of course. That's what they wanted. And then you would break them because you click them too much. Definitely. Like you try to put two of them down at the same time and then that whole thing gets screwed up. Is the Scholastic Book Fair still going? I don't know but whoever the CEO of Scholastic Books is it needs a goddamn raise. This guy, have I gone on my Scholastic Book Fair rant on this show before? I mean, we've been going so long now there's no telling. I mean, I don't even know that I have like a Scholastic. You would know if I had done my Scholastic Book Fair rant. Yeah, neither of us recall so go for it. Whoever it is that was in charge of Scholastic Books when they figured out a way to deputize every child in America as a book salesman for their company is a goddamn genius. They're like once a year in every school we're going to turn every student kindergarten through sixth grade into a book salesman under the Scholastic umbrella that's not getting paid. They created a pyramid scheme where nobody else gets paid. It's actually like a genius opportunity. It's like, oh wait, you don't want to have the book fair in your school? I guess you guys hate reading. Guess you don't want your kids to learn how to read. He figured out like sophisticated child labor. Yeah, that dude is a genius. And I need to know like when that started, how it started because the book fair was, it was an event. And I remember, yeah, I don't think I spent too much money on actual books. It was mostly like, you know, they would have like some sports magazines that I would get. I can't remember what else they would have. Like, yeah, the erasers were really big. But yeah, how much money and revenue does Scholastic Books do per book or for their entire book fair catalog? I wonder. I don't know, but I'm signing up to be notified of the next time there's a book fair in our zip code. Are they open to the public? I don't think so, but I mean, what would happen if... She just went to an elementary school and invited. That's a good question. If you just showed up at the office and were like, hey, heard the book fairs today. I mean, doing a book fair at Barstool Sports would be kind of fun. Can we get them in here? Yeah. Please, can we call the big hauls? Yeah. That'd be a good video. That would be awesome. That would be sick. Now, do you bring in Scholastic or do you figure out how to make a rival? No, no, no, we need the professionals to do this. The company says it runs more than 97,000 book fairs per year. Holy mackerel. Reaching over 30 million children. 90,000? Yeah. And just one recent quarter book fair revenue was $110 million. Holy shit. Wow. Yes, they are geniuses. This is, I think what they do is they probably, it sounds like they give some of the money back to the schools that they bring in through the book fair. But I mean, they're raking it in. They wouldn't do that for free. I don't know about you guys, but when the book fair came to my elementary schools, they just, it was like almost like a traveling circus. They came in cases and they would just open them up and they could just shut down and keep it moving. They got a concert. Yeah. They carry all their stuff in. They got carnies, but for books. Definitely. That's probably what the carnival workers do in the off season. Oh, do you think you travel with Scholastic or do you think they just bring in like a local guy or local woman? I think Scholastic has their own operation. Yeah, they send their people town to town, like put them up in some hotels. I'm in Iowa this weekend. You got six Scholastics. And you know, those people definitely are fucking too. Like if you go on the road for the book fair, there's some stuff going on behind the scenes. Yeah, I guess if you could go back to Scholastic Book Fair as an adult and you just realized that the guy checking you out is violently hungover and like hitting on the woman next to him. It's like, this is, you guys have tarnished the book fair. Yeah, I said, wait, I remember you from the state fair three months ago. You were the guy that was running the gravatron. Now you're manning the colored marker station. My great grandmother, who's my favorite person of all time, I would always be sure to mention like when we were over at her house like, Bobby, you know, the book fair is coming up pretty soon. I'm pretty excited about it. Then she'd slip me a little, little 20 bucks on the way out. Did you not have it where like this classic book fair at my school is like a week long event and one of the days was like parent lunch where you could have an adult come in and eat lunch with you and then they take you to the book fair. Then it's unlimited funds. No, that's that would have been worse for me. Why? If my parents were there, that I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have been able to get away with. Or it must have been, it must have been all week. It must have been like every day, like whoever could come in because I would have my one set of grandparents come one day. My other set of grandparents come another day. Maybe if my mom could get off of work at lunch, she would come. I was like hitting it up. Their debit cards were not stopping. That's so smart. It was awesome. And then they would bring you like McDonald's for lunch. What? Then they would bring you outside lunch. We didn't have hot lunch at my grade school. So then it would be like grandma and grandpa are coming to lunch with whatever it was called. Lunch, they get to bring me outside lunch. Oh, and I go to the Scholastic Book Fair. Did you go to school in a prison? Like you didn't have hot lunch. You didn't have chicken nugget day, pizza day. We had so I mean, my school was terribly, terribly poor. It closed. I was the last grade. Doesn't sound like it. You've got kids eating McDonald's. Well, because the parents are bringing them. The school doesn't provide the McDonald's. I understand. But but we didn't have any hot lunch. And so every Wednesday, my school is very small. So every Wednesday, they would cater a different thing. So it would be like Burger King Day. You just said they didn't do that. No, no, no, but we didn't have like a hot lunch. Like I couldn't go. Oh, it's just every Wednesday was Burger King Day. It was Burger King Hot Dog. Hot Dog Day. Oh, God, pizza day. And it was like a rotation. But I didn't have like the ability on like a Tuesday or a Thursday to be like, oh, I didn't pack lunch this morning. I'm going to go get chicken nuggets and fries. Then you're out of luck. See, at my elementary school, it was there was an expectation if an adult came to eat lunch with you that they would buy ice cream for the whole class. For the entire class. Because it was 50 cents. So it'd be, you know, what, 10 bucks? OK. So so if an adult came and didn't buy everyone ice cream, they were reviled. Yeah, I can imagine. And so the kids would make it known like, hey, it's kind of you kind of got to buy ice cream for everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Because then you don't want to be the kid that's parent or adult isn't buying ice cream. Right. Everyone. So my uncle told me it's a dollar now at his kid's school for ice cream. Yeah. So it's been 100 percent inflation in 20 years. Like an eclair bar. It was like those little, you know, the little cups of ice cream with the wooden spoon. Yeah. We had eclair, nutty buddies, cookies and cream in the little cups. And sometimes occasionally we would have popsicles as well. Strawberry clears, too. Then at my middle school, we had a slushy machine. What? Yeah. Slushy machine. One flavor, two flavors. It was two or three, I think. How did you give like a 12 year old a slushy and then ask them to continue on with their day? I bet Michelle Obama got rid of that. Yeah, I was I was I was long gone. But by the time, well, she may have just just come into office. But yeah, I'm sure it's gone now. Damn. We did chocolate milk, strawberry milk and regular milk. I thought that was like a hit. But slushy machines all time. Yeah. The slush puppy. You had strawberry milk, too. Yeah, we had like a trio. Now, did did the lunch ladies ever say like you have to occasionally not get chocolate milk or strawberry milk? Like you have to get regular milk sometimes? They would, if you depending on when you went to lunch, they would kind of run out. Like so then there'd be like six crates of the of the regular milk, maybe one crate of the chocolate left. You kind of like kind of pick your pocket and try to get in there. Yeah. Yeah. PFT, I have some startling news. Not only did Michelle shut down the slushy, she closed the whole school. The entire school's closed down? Chapman Intermediate School was shut down in 2014. She was like, this is a big problem. Yeah. Yeah, they put a stop to that real quick. We have to close down the entire district. Yeah, she put a stop to that. Too much sugar. Yeah. It was it was that school was just fifth and sixth grade. So I assume they they absorbed those into like the elementary and middle schools. Yeah. Zach, did you ever have bag milk? We didn't do bag milk. We did bag juice. Bag juice. Yeah. Okay. So like apple juice. Apple and orange juice. Then you could just bite the corner, kind of suck on it. Oh, OK. So it was like you bite the corner off and then that becomes like a handheld pouch. Yes. Of juice. Okay. And you are you doing the full bag milk? You mean like when they drop it in the the pitcher? No, the bag, the bags of milk that we had. We only had them for like a year. I want to say it's maybe like five inches by five inch squares of milk and it was in a like a plastic pouch and you put it down on the table and then you would take the straw and you would poke a hole just into the middle of the bag and then you would just drink out of that bag as opposed to drinking out of like a cardboard carton of milk. And then they got rid of those after about I'd say six months, maybe less because all we were doing was just like blowing them up and popping them. And it was just yeah, it was a mess because they would pop if you put like a bag of milk underneath like anything that's heavy, if you stack something on top of it, they all just explode and get everywhere. Yeah, that we had the same thing for juice and kids would put them like under the toilet seats and you'd sit down and then you'd get juiced. That's a great idea. Yeah. Terrible. Unless you get juiced. And if you get juiced then it's bad idea. And it's sticky and it's no good. It gets everywhere. All right. Hey, that's good. That's good elementary school talk. You know what you can do? One more thing that I did this when we lived in New York once. There's a website you can order like from the wholesale distributors that the schools get all their lunch stuff from. So you can order like the square pizzas or the the Bosco sticks. Did you have Bosco sticks? We did not have the Bosco sticks. The Bosco. Have you had Bosco sticks? I had them for a year. So the Bosco. Michelle, shut those down real quick. It's just a bread stick with cheese in it. Heat it up. It's amazing. And so I bought those. I bought some other stuff and you can just buy from the distributors that the schools get them from. That sounds pretty incredible. Yeah. I feel like you got to have good like freezer square footage for that though. Well, you know, you had a reach in. You had like a. No, I had it. My apartment in New York was 60% kitchen. I had a big kitchen. That was nice. Well, but I didn't want that. I would I would rather have had not to climb over my bed to get to the bathroom. But so yeah, I had a I had a solid size freezer. You know where we have a lot of freezer space here right here. Can we get like a lunch lady? I want I want the school lunches and I want a Scholastic Book Fair in here this summer. If we got if we had school lunches every day with like a lunch, maybe a couple lunch ladies. There would have to be one that's kind of mean and one that's nice. Yep. And then you need somebody that was like in charge of the lunch room. So in case things got out of a monitor, a monitor, yeah, a lunch monitor to like blow their whistle at us or turn the lights off. If things got bad to turn this whole place into a whole ministry school, not a bad idea. Then we'd have to go on quiet lunch. We never want that. You don't want that. No. What I you got to talk to your guy about the book fair. I'll talk to him about I can I can nix the lunches. We got to have the book fair. OK, we'll see if we need a book fair. Do they do adult book fairs? Well, that's that has a different connotation. Well, not not like adult magazines, but I mean, magazines for adults and things for adults. I don't know. I've never heard of such. OK, we'll have to look into this. I want the I want posters and erasers, though. Yeah. Yeah. Posters like Sports memorabilia. A lot of that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. This if we could get some bobble heads, maybe some 2002, like team media guides, things like that. OK. Fun pens. They do do adult book fairs in the form of like a pampered chef or like Mary Kay. Those feel like adult book fairs. You know, show up to your homegirl's house. She's like, hey, we have this spread here. Everybody check it out. Cut cut knives. Oh, it gets you knives. Yeah. Tupperware. Those kind of feel like book fairs. Yeah, those knives were good. All right. Anyways, we got some more stuff to talk about today. I'd love if we didn't. Could we just keep doing this? Yeah, we could. No, it's fine. The hantavirus thing we should say the hantavirus that's in Illinois. I don't think that's the bad. I mean, it's bad hantavirus, but I don't think that it's like the one that is spread person to person. So that's good. So how long until you guys think they just shut it down? Three weeks. It feels like we're running the same playbook back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think it's going. I don't think it's going to reach that spot because it doesn't. It's not like as contagious. It's just like if you've got a if you find mouse poop in your house, just clean your house. But is there opportunity in people shutting it down? Like, is this a good is this a good enough reason for whoever could be opportunistic in shutting things down to shut things down? Well, here's the things that you got guys like you and me on the front lines. We're not going to let that happen. We're not getting shut down. I'll go in the house so quick, Big D. I guess we did just say we would we would give it all up for two more weeks. If it was if it was a 40 percent fatality rate, we're we're going to try to shut it down. But I don't think that people will shut it down. That's terrifying. Yeah. That's what this is. The Chilean or the Andes hantavirus. No, good. That's too many percentage of fatality. Yeah. What percent are you comfortable with? Like 12 past 12, 13. I'm probably out once or in the teens. Yeah. So you think like one out of 10 chance you're going to just we'll just roll the dice. Those are fair odds. Yeah. Like if that's what's given to me, it's like, OK, I can I'm OK with this. 40 percent. I'm freaking out. Yeah. 40 percent. I think nine to 10 is a big jump for me once you hit double digits. Double digits. I think nine one out of 11. Fine. Yeah. Once you get to one out of 10. I mean, that's a whole it's a whole less person. Yeah. Hopefully we don't get there. But I think what we're seeing right now is like people in the news, anything hantavirus related, they're they're going to be reporting on it, even though like buried in this article, it says that this is the North American strain, which the individual is believed to have potentially acquired is not spread from person to person. It's different from the Andes strain associated with the cruise ship. And they think that that patient, patient zero on that cruise ship was a guy that was really to birdwatching, because birdwatchers, they'll go to they go to landfills because that's where a lot of birds go, because there's like all that garbage and food they can have. And also at landfills, you get a lot of like rats and mice and rodents. And that's where they come across the poop. I've never really got into birdwatching. I don't really understand. I like looking at birds and being like, that's a cool bird. But I don't get the people that have like the checklists that have to go on like vacations to try to fill them all. Birdsearchers you're out on. Yeah, birdsearchers. You and I can be a bird watcher. Yeah. Nice bird. Great bird. Like if you come across one, but it's when you go searching for the birds. There's nothing, nothing more pleasurable on a road trip than to be like, there's a hawk. You're driving down the road. There's a hawk on that telephone stand, telephone pole. Look at it. Red tail hawk. You ever do that? I'm sure inadvertently. They point out hawks to people. You ever do that, Zach? I mean, you see a big bird. Do you know how I pointed out hawk vulture? Yeah, that's all the eagle. I don't like vultures. We got a hawk up there. I don't necessarily like to me either. But if you're just walking into the gas station off a road trip, trying to grab some snacks and you see a vulture, it's hard not to be like, right. Oh, should a vulture. Right. Yeah. I don't like big birds, except for big bird. Fan of his. Did I ever tell you about I did? I talked about the the parrot that we had in our house growing up for a couple years. Jimmy. I don't recall. My dad had a parrot for a couple years. Oh, yeah. That hated you. Yeah. He hated everybody. Okay. Yeah. He only respected my dad. But his his cage was right up against the wall and the windows in our kitchen. And so sometimes there would be like a hawk that would go into the backyard. And Jimmy would sometimes see this hawk through the window and he would hide in his cage from the hawk because like instinctually, he knew that that that hawk meant business and it was going. Yeah, that makes sense. Did he speak English? No, Jimmy never said any words. Okay. Good. I'm out on that. I don't like that. We had a parrot for a couple of years. His name was Simbad. And when my dad would go to work, he would go, bye, Joe. And then we'd come back and go, hi, Joe. Really? Yeah. He bit everyone in the family, but me because I wouldn't hold him because he was mean. Yeah, what kind of bird? What kind of bird? I think it was a blue McCall. Is the name of the bird? Okay. I could be incorrect, but it's blue something, maybe McCall something. And they got those weird tongues. I don't like those tongues. Dude, it's like it's like a thermometer in there. Is this what it looked like? No. It was like a yellow and blue a little bit. And he was so mean, but he was also in the kitchen up against the windows. I don't know what it is about. Duck his head. Yeah. I do like that. I do like one night. It's pretty fun. Yeah. Like that kind of bird? Oh, yes. Like to the right there. Yes. Okay. So it's a classic parrot. Like when we think of like cartoon parrots. Yeah. Like that's a big Jimmy Buffett guy. So that is a Jimmy Buffett parrot. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're cool looking birds. But yeah, when they start talking, it's kind of freaky. Is that all that a new hi Joe by Joe? It was just hi Joe by Joe. And he just I think it was just the work clothes because he wore the same like work stripes every day. But yeah, that's kind of crazy. When you left, it wouldn't talk to you at all. No, I didn't interact with the bird very much. I knew he was not he was no good and I didn't want to get bit. Yeah. So parrots are they're kind of dickheads. Like my dad's parrot would just climb off of his shoulder, walk over to me on the couch, bite me and then walk back to him. No redeeming quality there. No redeeming quality whatsoever. I'm out on birds and reptiles. I don't I don't do those. Yeah, reptiles. That's a you got to be a special kind of guy. Well, when I was a kid, my uncle had an iguana and then somehow it got panned off on us. I don't recall how we ended up with the iguana, but my parents put it in my room. And those things sit under heat lamps that I mean, I lived in a room that was hotter than hell in half of Georgia for three years. Yeah, it's terrible. I hate I hate iguanas. I think with reptiles and with birds, it just seems I'd kind of be I'd be an asshole if I was them too. If I was a bird and I was like living in a cage all day. That's pretty tough. Like fair enough. A normal bird. The world is you can fly. You can go anywhere you want. You have the best superpower. And then in captivity, you're like, OK, I'm living in a shoebox right now. I'd be a dickhead. He took her whole their whole life away. Yeah. I'd be an asshole if I was a parrot. So did your parrot ever fly around? Yeah, sometimes like if we didn't clip his wings, because you got to clip some of the feathers on their wings so they don't fly away. He would fly. Oh, so you were cutting off his wings too. The feathers. Yeah, I clipped the wing. No wonder he was an asshole. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. Like I get why parrots are dickheads now that I'm thinking about it. But yeah, he would he would try to fly around sometimes and he would be able to like glide across the room. But like, you know, on a downward trajectory, if he started off on a bookshelf. Looking for the nearest airport. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he'd be landing like a glider. But then, you know, if we waited too long to cut the feathers, he was capable sometimes of like flying around the room and dive bombing you like landing on your shoulder, biting your neck and then flying away. He was a real dickhead. But again, I get it. I think most parrots are like that. They grow out. They respect one person and that's their person. Yeah, it was like he was my dad was just like the not keeper of the parrot. But like they were best friends and everybody else just didn't exist. And if they if he noticed you exist, it's attack mode. It's on site. And I want anything to do with that. Yep. So they operated. Big T. Do you have anything to say to me about the about the wizards? Congrats. Thank you. I saw they got the number one pick. Thank you. I appreciate that. Who do you want them to take? Devansa. OK. Thanks for asking. Yeah. Just ask me about the wizards whenever you feel like it. OK. You're you're 100% wizards now. 100% back in. All right. So out of your here's your your pie, right? So you have commanders, wizards, mats, caps. Yeah, it's a big pie. So so what percentage what what did the wizards go from to the wizards went from about 1% maybe less than 1% and I think this is fair on my part. Maybe maybe you feel otherwise. But when I was growing up, I was a diehard wizards fan. I would go to wizards games, probably went to as many wizards games growing up as I did caps games. I'd watch the wizards on TV all the time. They were like my basketball team. I remember when they changed the name to the wizards. I remember when we got Michael Jordan. Remember that? Everything about him. And then sometime around, I would say it started when our two best players tried to shoot each other. Mm hmm. I kind of I kind of had to just say no more wizards. Just put just bury them and just say this team has has never done anything to you shot them. So yeah, to warn my I took I took him out back. Yeah. And I said this team has never done anything to warrant any attention that I've ever given them through my entire life. I remember I did go to one playoff series. I think it was Heat Wizards back in 2005 and I paid my chest. I forget what letter I was. But me and two my buddies we did WIZ. Nice. But they were if it was the Z that would be that would be a very funny visual given like the Russian invasion and what they do their tanks. If somebody can track down that picture of me. I'm like Russian. They label all their shit with a giant Z. Oh, yeah. I don't know that. Why is that? Don't really know. Don't really know. But I was a wizards fan and then I said no more wizards. I paid attention in the John Wall era because for you know, a couple of seasons we had wall. We had Bradley Beal when he was good. And it was like, oh, we might put together something interesting here. I mean that when we had Paul Pierce and and that whole crew. That was that was an interesting team. But really for the most part, they've been completely irrelevant for my entire life. And when I say my entire life, the last time they had 50 wins in the season was 1979. So that's pretty bad. So technically never because that would have been the bullets. That would have been the bullets and that would have been off the heels of winning an NBA championship. They were good in the 70s. People are asking if the name change really took things on a downward spiral. Should they change names again? I would be fine. Yeah, I love the name bullets. I don't think they can go back to bullets though. I say bring it back. I would be completely fine with it. If they had to do something else, what would you want? I mean, if they're going to stick with wizards, I would like them to lean into the wizard imagery a little bit. Yes, they got because now they're just the red, white and blue. They're the they're the monuments. Yeah, I think they steered away from the wizards because they're like, this is kind of cartoonish and the entire aesthetic is like late 90s, early 2000s, angular, futuristic. We don't like that anymore. So let's just do classic red, white and blue and at least the same colors as the as the caps owned by the same guy, Ted Leones. So I would be fine with leaning into like some hardcore wizard imagery. You know, like call the call the stadium the crystal ball. I don't know. That would be fun. Like have a giant guy with a beard that comes out before the game. And like in the intros, he's got his magic wand and he's like firing it at the players and shit. You don't do t-shirts. You do cloaks. Oh, cloaks. Yeah, cloaks and capes. What if they bought the rights to the Washington generals from from the globetrotters in theory? I don't hate that, but the problem is the Washington generals, they like they never win. They just got their ass kicked. Well, what better team to that's the that's the old wizards. Right. So I'm explaining to you my journey with the wizards because I did. I did grow up loving them. And then I kind of stopped paying attention in the early 2000s. And then I'm sorry, early 2010s. And then John Wall came. That whole team was a little bit fun. Then he tours Achilles. Then it was just like, OK, no, there's no point in paying attention. Then three years ago, we got the guys from the Thunder, the old executives, like Winger. And I was like, we've got a plan in place. And the plan was correct. The plan is the plan that the Thunder did, that the Sixers did. You have to try to be bad in the NBA. That's the only you have to tear. You have to do a complete tear, excuse me, tear down of your franchise, which they did and then included bringing in guys like Jordan Poole, who you know is like, OK, this guy might have some fun highlights every now and again, but he's the perfect guy that you want if you want your team to be bad. And you say, you just get your points. Go out there, get your points, however you want, Jordan. And then he'll go out. He'll go like 17 for 40 and you'll lose by 14 points. That's exactly who you want. So now we have a good team that we're building up. I think we've got elements of a good team. And I think with the number one pick and Anthony Davis, if he's healthy, I think we'll be awesome. And then Zach and I are working together on a new project. It's called the Whistler. So it's a new social media phenomenon. OK, we're just going to do Wizards facts and like Wizards updates on TikTok. Just deep Wizards news, you know. Also, on the team or Wizards in general? That's a moving target, but so far the team. OK. But it could expand. I don't I mean, it just I mean, just depends. Yeah, there's a lot of different kind of Wizards out there. Like what if the what if the basketball team leans into the Wizards? Right. And then it would be almost a disservice of us not to do the same. Yeah. Right. And also any Rizzler updates to as well. Rizzler news counts. Haven't heard from him. That's why it's a great news source to have like one one place to go for your Rizzler updates. A.J. and Big Justice are trying to make a comeback right now. They never left. What do you mean? We were talking about you saw the new home, beautiful home. I have not seen the new home. Oh, a gorgeous home. Did you work here when they were here? I did not. I missed the magical day. Yeah, I would been what a day. Yeah, we boom together. That's that's that's all time. It was special. You're going to take that with you for the rest of your life. I've got a vid. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's your time. As close as two guys can get. Yeah, your timeline is now pre boom and post boom. Yeah. Mm hmm. Now, PFT, you said that you were talking about fun facts about the wizard. You said that you came in here today with a list of fun facts for us. I did. I'd love to hear some. You want to hear some fun facts? I would. Are these just all ranging? Yeah, it's it's from ramen nas above on X dot com. The everything app. It's all happening on X. Oh, he follows me. That's cool. He also follows 346,000 other people. All right, ramen, ramen. Trying to make sure that's not some sort of site again. Ramen nas above or am I in NAS? I believe I was trying to make sure that wasn't a bend over situation. Oh, got you. Ramen, you know, ram men, nas above. Yeah, I ram and ass above. Anyways, he's a branding and visual identity designer, whatever that means. And he tweeted out what historical fact sounds fake, but it's true. And so I was just reading some of these and I was a couple of them blew my mind. I'd love to have my mind blown. OK, mathematically, no two people have ever shuffled a deck of cards. Oh, that's see, I knew and I asked. Zach, did I not ask when he came in here? I said, are these good facts or are they bad? And you told me they were good. Wait, we didn't even see where he didn't get to land that plane. It's that no deck of cards has ever been shuffled the same way. Fifty two factorial. Everyone knows that I'm disappointed. Did you know that? I hate to I hate to do this, but I mean, I would have assumed at least one time there's the same day. I mean, it's possible. But it's remarkably unlikely. You know, fifty two factorial means that. Again, we're getting to some things. You don't know. I don't know. So the first card could be anyone of fifty two, right? Yeah. Second card could be anyone of fifty one. Yeah. Third, fifty, so on and so forth. So the number of the possibility of that card is fifty two times fifty one times fifty times forty nine times forty eight, so on and so forth. And it's some number that you could never possibly reach. OK, if you wanted to. But this fact is just like the nine coincidence, because like, yeah, come on, there may be one time. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we don't know. That's what it is. It does it have the number on there? I didn't see the number, but it did say mathematically. Right. Meaning that it probably it probably has happened, but mathematically, it should never happen. But I think if you take out a brand new set of cards and then you shuffle those by hand, like they're in the they're in the same order when you take them out of the deck. So I think that maybe on that first shuffle, we've had some instances where, yes, it has happened. It kind of it kind of it's almost a layup puts in line for you to get right. Yes. Yeah, it cuts the odds a little bit. Hang on. I'm trying to find. I just tried to be to how many seconds is fifty two factorial in years? It's some astronomical. Wait, how many seconds? It's OK. How many seconds is fifty two factorial denoted in years? OK, gotcha. Fifty two factorial seconds is it gives the number. I don't even know what it is. Roughly ten to the fiftieth power times the age of the universe. Wow. OK, so it's like the oldest thing you could ever imagine. It's a number you could never fathom. See, isn't this that's this is my everyone knows that. I didn't know it. Mad Dog McKenzie, you know, I have not heard that before. I I've heard of a factorial. A long time ago, everyone knows the deck of cards. Everyone knows the cards. OK. All right, I hope these get better. OK, the T-Rex lived closer in time to us than it did to the stegosaurus. It's a mildly interesting fact. Other dinosaurs. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting. Do you guys think dinosaurs are displayed how they really are? I I remain skeptical, but I'd like to hear what you think. I'm just curious, because like we do big, we dig up the bones, but we make a lot of assumptions as far as like where they go. And the flesh that covers those bones. I'm just curious if you guys think like the images we get of dinosaurs are really what dinosaurs. But they've been able to recreate them pretty well. I think we have the exact. You know, we have the largest complete dinosaur skeleton in the world in Chicago. I did not know that. But I think we take a lot of liberties on what that skeleton looks like. Where where is this skeleton located at the the Field Museum? And what is it? It's it's a T-Rex, right? I don't know. I haven't seen it. I haven't either. But I know it's the largest complete skeleton in the world. I agree with Zach, though. I don't know. I think when they're unearthing the bones, they have a pretty good idea of what a rib bone is, like what a leg bone looks like compared to a finger bone. But I think they take a lot of liberties with the skin and the outside. Like the appearance, like the flesh and like maybe the I agree. Yeah, it could they could have feathers for all we know. But when we see them, they're just it's like lizards, like scales. Yeah, we were one narrative on this on this on the skin type and ran with it. As opposed to. Like, you think dinosaurs had facial hair? Or do you think they had? That's a good I've never thought of that. Like if they had mustaches, yeah, like, isn't that an adaptation, right? For like dust and stuff. So maybe they are like, isn't a beard like armor? Didn't we adapt beards for like getting in the face? Maybe for getting in the face, maybe for like filtering out dust or things like that, protecting your mouth. So I could see maybe dinosaurs also going through those same struggles, especially living outside. Yeah. Yeah, I've never thought about some dinosaurs could have had like fur. And then that fur started to evolve and shrink and they don't like some are hairier than others. And there's no way they're leaving that behind with the fossil. No, no, that's just going away. Yeah, that that goes into dust. But yeah, a dinosaur with a beard would I've never thought about that. But you you might be right. You might be right. I think I may have found a fact to redeem your first fact. OK, I think it puts it in better perspective. OK. If you took one step every billion years, starting from the Grand Canyon and walked around the earth back to the Grand Canyon, taking one step every billion years and dropped a grain of sand into the Grand Canyon, then did it again, dropped another grain of sand, did that until you filled the Grand Canyon with individual grains of sand, taking one step every billion years, you would be less than one percent of the way to 52 factorial when you finished. OK, that's yeah, that's insane. That's actually I think that's that's a number that doesn't exist. Correct. Yeah. All right. Good fact. Yeah, you just fact-cocked me. No, I redeemed your fact. It's OK. I supplemented. It's OK. Nintendo, the company was founded in 1889. Did you know that? What were they, the textile company or something? Actually, the person didn't say what they were, but I can look it up right now. That was the whole fact. I thought there was more coming. No, no. Nintendo was founded in 18. Guys, these are not. That's like 150 years ago, Big D. They do video games. I know that. But like the way they were doing video games 150 years ago. Right. But they just repurposed a name of something. It was games. Oh, so they made table games. It was playing cards. OK. Isn't that kind of interesting that like the same gaming company has existed? They came in here and said, these facts blew my mind. I did not know that about Nintendo. A little older than you thought. I did not think. Next fact, I need there to be a good fact in here. They're they're fun facts. We got to get you on the fun side of the facts. Yeah, I think you're approaching it with the wrong mindset. You got to come into these facts to open arms. This next fact, I creed arms wide open. You're approaching it with the wrong mindset. Great wingspan. Thank you. So Nintendo, they would make these playing cards and then. You still on the you would you would play the games in like Yakuza restaurants and Yakuza parlors. OK. Like going to the mafia place and then you'd play your Nintendo. All right. And then now it's still a game. And that's not interesting to you at all. It's mildly interesting. One to 10, 10 being mind blown. It's a two. They went from Yakuza to Mario. Yeah. And some of the some of the cards had like the flower. That Mario would run into later on. They kept some of that same imagery around. OK. Next fact. And that's not interesting to you at all. I told you, it's a two. It's mildly interesting. OK, the bloodiest naval battle in history. Was actually not in any of the World Wars. It was actually not even. A.D. is before Jesus. It was the Battle of Salamis between the Persians and the Greeks in 480 B.C. OK. Not impressive to you. What? Next fact. That's terrifying just because they didn't have a gun. So that's all hand to hand combat, right? It'd be close quarters fight like they would have to. And just a shitload of ships just sinking to the bottom. It's better than Nintendo. Oh, naval rights on it's on sea. I was thinking on land. That's on me. It was on the sea. One side had about 400 ships in the battle. The other had about 800 ships in the battle. Three hundred forty ships sunk in this one battle. That's is that not that. No, that's something. Is that not crazy to you? Better than Nintendo. Is that not crazy to you? It's pretty crazy. I'd love to see the. What the ships looked like. OK, you can look those up. All right. Next fact. There was one man in Japan who lived to age 93 that survived. The atomic bomb at Hiroshima and the bomb at Nagasaki. He was in both cities when the bombs went off and survived. OK, he's two and O against New York's big T. That's not impressive. One man. No, it's it's impressive for him. Clear blasts. These. Do you want me to? These are some some mom Facebook ass facts right now. I'm just going to be honest with you. I don't. I don't know what else. These are these are facts that your mom sees on a Facebook like tile and repost. Here's what I did. I did know this, but maybe you didn't know it. Because you're not a shieldie like me. You're correct. I'm not. Yeah, Larry Fitzgerald has more tackles in his NFL career than drop passes. I actually did know that you got to give me. I was ready, dude, I was ready for insane facts. And you're giving me. Bubblegum rapper ass facts. Zach, what do you think about these facts? I mean, you can be honest in full transparency. The last fact was a guy beating out two nukes. That's in inevitably that or that's very impressive. I'd love to know was he was he in the city limits or was it a new. These are fast. We're talking about what I should have said is like, these are fast, fun facts. Quick, fun quips. Yes. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. You're doing. Did you know Hank Aaron would still have three thousand hits if he never hit a home run? That's what you're doing right now. And you don't find those impressive. I do. It's impressive. Did you know Detroit's east of Atlanta? I did know that. Yes. Is there a subgenre of fact you'd have more fun with Big T? I liked where we were going with the the before Christ naval battles. OK, how about this? The state of New Mexico was named before and is older than the country of Mexico. I'd be intrigued to learn more about New Mexico is older than Mexico. The name explain that to me. That's that's that's all you got. That's all I got. Again, these are quick, fun facts. OK, give me a hit me again. I liked where we were going there. Wait, so how would they have New Mexico before original O.G. Mexico? How could you be the New Mexico? But you're the first I think I'm also seeing that this isn't. Well, entirely accurate. I'm thinking I'm thinking that this was there was a place called Mexico, but it wasn't a country called Mexico. And then New Mexico became a state or became a place and then the country of Mexico adopted the name of Mexico, even though it had already been some parts had probably already been called. That's my guess. So they moved on from original Mexico with an original Mexico made a big time second. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. It had been called Mexico since the 1500s, but it didn't gain independence and become the country of Mexico till 1821. That's a fun fact, isn't it? It's it's that I thank you. Keep give me some more. OK, Egyptian mummies used to be food and medicine for European kings and queens. They would import mummy bodies from Egypt and they would eat them and take them as medicine until the early 1900s. They're people eating mummies. That's an odd and interesting fact. OK, I thought these were going to be good. Dude, that's an uncomfortable fact. Yeah, they're eating people for like Tylenol. That's what. I mean, it's pretty good fact. I would never I'm going to use that one. See, Zach. Zach kind of has to kiss your ass and tell you that these are facts. No, no, that's not true. Matt, Doug McKenzie, that's not true. That's that's inaccurate and unfair to me. And these facts, I would just like to say, royal families eating bodies. It's interesting to hear headaches is a fun fact. You were here when he pitched these facts. He said I was here. Mind blowing facts. I think there's a world where you might just know more facts than me. No, but my ability to be like, wow, that's a good fact. Could be a lower threshold than yours. No, but I don't know these. It's just like I was expecting I was expecting mine blown and my mind is mildly peaked. You could be fact flexing. I'm not because I don't know these facts. I did know that I mean the deck of cards like, bro, I mean, that's if that's elementary stuff, but I think deck of cards in the room was one new and then four didn't. So majority didn't know that's not elementary. OK, OK, you know what? Maybe I'm maybe I'm an asshole. No, that's not true. But we're objectively rating these facts. OK, Matt, Doug McKenzie, have you been have any of these facts been interesting to you? Are you are you not? No, no, no, the bar is blow your mind because are you are you a big wet blanket like your mind? That's what you pitched. I've had fun. I like them. Notice they didn't say their minds have been blown. I will say some of them are more mind blowing than others. But not all all facts are different. Not all facts are the same. All of them will blow your mind in different ways. And facts are subjective. So maybe some person knew that's listening to this show knew about the cards and some person is literally driving their car, having their mind freaking blown right now. How about that? I think it's all about that's fair enough. I was just I thought we were getting like 10 out of 10 facts. But have you thought that like maybe to other people, they are 10 out of 10. It could be. But to me, it was pitched that my mind was going to be blown. Give me give me one more. I want your best fact. I don't have a best. I want your best fact. I don't think I have a best fact. But I have I have one. OK. The nation of the United States is 100 years older than the nation of Italy. Italy only became a country like 100 years ago. The modern country of Italy. What was the not modern? We beat it. The United States beat it by 100 years into the modern nation of Italy. I don't know. I don't know what it was called. As I say, do you have do you have more on that? Yeah, we can we can look up the history of Italy and what they were called in the in the 1700s. What was Italy called in the 1700s? Was the Kingdom of Italy. Or no, the Kingdom of Naples before the March 17th, 1861. The peninsula was a collection of city, states, foreign controlled regions and Papal States, pretty crazy, which were not unified until 1861 under the Kingdom of Italy. That is, is that not a wild fact? Did you not know that? That's interesting. Thank you. That's interesting. Thank you. Because you think Italy, you think old. OK. You think super old. Yeah, you think everything's very old, which it is. It's just it wasn't just not unified. Yeah. Would you have any mind blowing facts, Big T? No, I think coming here, pitching my crazy that you would like to blow my mind with. I think we learned today a tax or a spectrum. Yes, we did. I think so because some of it mind blown by some and some of it mind blown by others. Mm hmm. Yeah, you just got. And listen, if a fact is not your cup of tea, you just got to wait for the next one because next one might be. That's true. All right, cool. Good. I'm glad we had this conversation. I enjoyed it. I was really looking forward to it. And you know what, it ended up it ended up being good. I'm glad we had that. I think you guys one day should go fact for fact. Just try to bring just the most over the top facts. You could possibly think of a fact off. We did that. Remember, we did that one time with the sleep episode between Billy and Big T and it got like near physical. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. We did try to do a fact off and turn violent. Well, that was I was I was accused of plagiarizing him for drawing information from the same third party sources. So then we said we'll have a we'll have a debate of sorts. As to who can gather better information. So he was stealing sources or you were stealing sources. It wasn't stealing. We we both got information from the same places about. I don't even remember what it was about. Did he call dibs originally on that source? Or no, but like theoretically Billy, like in his mind claimed it. And so it was right. It was low key plagiarism that Big T. Right. There's some grounds there. Yeah. How about this one? Just last one. Sharks have been around longer than trees. See, that freaks me out. Interesting fact. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Hey, shake my hand. Yeah. Yeah, how about that? That was an interesting fact. My mind's blown by that. That is crazy. Sharks are dinosaurs. They're also older than the North Star. They're older than the Rocky Mountains, but not older than the Appalachians. Shout out. Yeah. Appalachians. Appalachians used to be the biggest mountain range in the world. Yeah. It used to be the Himalayas of like old school, Pangea. Wait. So you think the first time a shark breached water and saw a tree that he'd never seen before is like, we got a problem outside? Yeah. He's like, I got to go tell the to the squad. Like things are happening up on land. There's some stuff changing that we don't really understand. Yeah. They would have never known where that would end up. No. Like it was probably a shark paradise before before trees. The other roots are just invading the water. Yeah. And then they give oxygen and then eventually like human beings will breathe that oxygen, then they'll come kill us. Like that was the beginning of the end for sharks. Yeah. Without trees, there's no fishing poles. So like trees, trees may have nerfed the shark population way more than we could originally assume. Yeah. They were just like, there goes the neighborhood. Oh, they got trees over there too. We got to move. It's done for. Zach, are you a shark guy? I like to dabble in sharks. Yeah. You strike me as a shark guy. Shark week, you're you're locked in. Oh, I'm on the couch, double-snacked up. Yeah. Yeah, I could. Shark week is a good week. I think they should expand it. I've had talks about that before. But see, then do you're like one of these college football playoff people, you can't when you you can't expand something and not dilute its value. I disagree. The value in Shark Week lies in its scarcity. I would say that when it comes to the cultural playoff, there's always a common goal there. And that's winning the game when it comes to sharks, its survival. So it's like every day, every hour of TV is a different page in their shark books. You know what I mean? Like it's always evolving with sharks. It's it's ever changing. It's never the same. We've seen a lot of the same go routes. We've never seen the same same shark on shark contact. Now, we haven't. Some people always different outcome. OK, some people say that Shark Week used to be great. And now it's not great anymore. I would like to agree to that. There's like they've nerfed it a little bit. In terms of like, would you say you want to make Shark Week great again? I would say sharks week. Shark Week has always been great. It never was not great. That I think Shark Week could be even even even better. The Michael Phelps thing was it was not great. That was not great. That's bad. There they should have had. You know what that was? I don't think that there were enough people working on Shark Week that year that actually loved and cared about Shark Week. And if you get real die hard Shark Week people that are working with, they would just stood up and said, hey, like this is outside the scope of what we normally do. I don't think it's good for the brand. I could see that those guys getting the Shark Week jobs for resume not because they love sharks and that's just not cool. That's not that's not what Shark Week should be all about. Now, Shark Week when I was growing up was must see TV. It was incredible. Do you have a favorite kind of shark? A favorite kind. I like the idea. I like nurse sharks just because you can kind of you can get in there and swim with them and like nurse sharks are pretty chill. I mean, Tiger Sharks terrifying just because they go in the brackish water. So you think you're in a lake, but then boom shark. So that's like my prime. I never want to op shark. But yeah, I think nurse shark probably the best. What do you think about hammerheads? I don't hammerheads pretty aggressive. I think hammerheads need a better, better PR team because like they're so they're crazy looking. But when I was growing up, I feel like they were the number two shark that we heard about number one was great white, always going to be great white. And then number two is hammerhead. Those are like the two sharks you'd see in cartoons, two sharks that they made like gummy snacks out of. And then you get older and then you got the nurse shark, Tiger Shark, Bull Shark, Whale Shark, all those sharks kind of like stealing some of the shine from hammerhead. I think that hammerheads, we need to they need to be more prominently featured in Shark Week. I would like to retweet that. You're just on the basis of like, if you didn't see the scale of like a great white to a hammerhead and just off appearance, like say on a page, yeah, like this shark would would way more fuck me up than this shark. But the hammerheads never use that to their like as a strength to to grow the brand of hammerheads. Yeah, Hammerhead also the name sounds more violent, but like they can't. They don't actually use the head as a hammer. It's like kind of a misleading name. Like it's just kind of a weird looking, weird looking face they got. Just kind of freaky. It's kind of freaky. But yeah, I remember I went to one time I went to go visit Ecuador in the Galapagos Islands, which are awesome. If you if you ever get the chance to go to the Galapagos, you should definitely go because it's just like it's all these giant tortoises walking around like I'm talking like maybe 500 pounds or more. These huge tortoises walking around on the earth. You got sea lions that will like play with you in the water. You've got species of birds and species of like all sorts of stuff that you'll never see anywhere else. It's a really cool place. And when I was there, I was out on the beach and there was a group of students from UNC that was like sitting behind me on the beach. And they were there studying abroad because there's like a lot of marine biology centers down there. It's like one of the coolest places. So there's a lot of science that goes on there. And they were talking about their week and like, oh, man, this week's going to suck. We have to wake up at seven o'clock every morning because we're going to go scuba dive with the hammerhead sharks at their breeding ground. It's like, wait, that's you have the coolest fucking week ever. And talked to them later on the week and it was they said, yeah, they got to just like swim with a bunch of sharks that were having like essentially an orgy in the water all around them. But the sharks didn't like pay the humans any mind. That's pretty. You don't hear about that side of the hammerheads that they get their swingers. No, they were once heard about a hammerhead freak off ever. No, no, probably for good reason. We're going to get back to Macrodosing in a second. It's brought to you by Shady Rays. I've got my Shady Rays right here. Restocked on Shady Rays for the summertime. Quick question. How are these Shady Rays the same quality as the $200 sunglasses I used to buy? I'm not exaggerating. They feel every bit as premium as the expensive brands that I've owned. Meanwhile, I'm rocking Shady Rays on the lake, on the boat, at the game, on the job site, because if I drop them in the ocean, if I lose them in a lake, if I knock them off the dock, if I sit on them, if I break them, Shady Rays replaces them. And they're actually premium. They're polarized lenses that cut the glare hard. I've got super clear optics, really good frames, solid hinges on these. 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The people that are in charge of making it, how they're trying to get there. And I thought to myself, like, Zach probably has some thoughts on AI. So I wanted to hear what you had to say. And then you texted back and you're like, yeah, I do have some thoughts, including like maybe we're already in AI. So what are your thoughts on AI? My thoughts on AI, pretty like running mill stuff, you know, like I think AI will take, AI is taking a lot of jobs. They will continue to take a lot of jobs. And I also think there's a world where we are in the AI already. Just something about. What does that mean? Like, all right, so you know, like the first iPhone? Sure. And the current iPhone? Right. You saw how quick we got to the newest iPhone? Uh-huh. Like technology advances so quickly and moves so fast and rapidly that like, who's to say they haven't already exponentially, they haven't already jumped that far like a hundred X and we're not already in it. Like a over and full encompassing simulation via AI. So what happened when, when it got to that like singularity? Like did everybody die and we just got replaced with code? No, I don't. There's a world where this, where Earth is just like, you know, just like a program in somebody's laptop in a different universe. Gotcha. So like the aliens, maybe. I don't, they could, it could just be a simulation of exactly how life is for them. So it could be the exact same as this. Like they could look one to one to us. They could speak one to one to us. They just figured out they, I stuff first. Have you ever seen Black Mirror? I've not. I heard a lot of stuff about it, but I've never seen it. There's one episode where this guy, he like, he writes a computer program on his computer way back in the day. And it's, he's like little, it's like digital guys that are just like walking around in a civilization and then they get together and they start building stuff. And then they look at, they become like self aware and they look at the guy that made them as like their God and their provider. And then he looks at them as, oh, they're real things now. Do you think that maybe that's like there's a alien civilization or like some dude that created us as a, as a computer program. And now he loves us even though we're not real. I, I'm not a hundred percent sure if it's just one singular man that could have done it all. But I just know like, you know, they have the concerns. It's like we're integrating AI and then AI thinks for itself and everything like that. What if we were, what if we're already there and we did the thing where it's like, oh, it's a helpful, helpful search engine. And then, oh, it's, it's a helpful facial recognition service. And then, oh, it's just an RFID chip. And then, you know, it just like, there's, I think there's a ladder that we may have climbed already to get us to, we're in the software. You guys are getting close. You're just, you're a little bit off. He's got the Bible. You're getting close. There is a guy who created you and loves you. Is he, is he the AI father? No. Like what he looked at us as being artificial intelligence because he made us. Not in the sense that you're, you're using it. If you made something, would you be like, it's artificial because I made it? No. If you wrote a program where it was like a million little Ts. On a computer, I think is that I think if you, if you make something tangible, that, that makes it more real, not more artificial. Okay. That's, that's interesting. I think, yeah, it, there's some like scary conversations to have around AI. If you get like too theoretical with it, it will blow your mind. Have you ever heard of this one Zach? That, um, eventually we will be run by like an all-encompassing AI, like a super powerful AI. Like you said, the way that like everything gets more and more powerful so fast. Like a supreme leader of AI. Yeah. Eventually everything will be run by an optimized by this one supreme AI. You think that's, is that, is that like centralized the entire globe or is it like country by country? I think centralized is everything. Okay. Yeah. Like in theory, if like, because if it's divided country by country, then some countries are going to have more powerful AIs that are then going to absorb and take over the other ones. So eventually we'll just have one that like runs everything and knows everything. Is that like what the current race is for? Yeah. Yeah. For AGI is what they call it. Um, but then once we get to that spot, this AI that knows and sees everything will also have the ability to look back in time and it will be able to tell who was against developing AI and then it will punish those people that you got to go. That tried to prevent it from ever existing in the first place. You were for the suppression of AI. You're gone. Yeah. So now that you know that now you have to be in favor of AI or else when AI does exist, it's going to be like, you were not, fuck you. If AI is listening, I'm all the way in. If this is a safe space, I'm terrified. Yeah. Yeah. If this is an AI free listening environment. But yeah, pretty crazy. Did you see this guy who, uh, had, he had a Bitcoin wallet with five Bitcoin in it from 10, 12 years ago and he had lost it, forgotten the password, had no way to access it and he just put every file from his college computer into Claude and said, find this Bitcoin address and password and it somehow did it. And so that was what's Bitcoin at right now, 100 grand, I don't know. Some, yeah, maybe a little bit less. So that got him half a million dollars. I do think that this guy, does he work for Claude? Is he like an AI evangelist guy? Doesn't seem to be. It's just a random Twitter account. He has 3,800 followers, but he follows 3,300 people. So they're, um, and now if you click on his Bitcoin address, there's zero Bitcoin in it. So I guess he sold all of it. There's a lot of good marketers in AI. Like you remember that, that essay that came out a couple of months ago? Yeah. Something really big is happening. Yeah. That, did you read that one? I might have missed that one. It was, uh, it was like right after the Super Bowl, this guy like released an essay that he wrote called something really big is happening. And it was basically like, it's now reached the point where like, I encourage everybody to just learn everything they possibly can about AI because it's gotten so good that humans won't need to work anymore in the near future. And that guy was like heavily invested in like a lot of AI companies and was, it was like a commercial for himself. Um, but they're really good at marketing. So like going back to the open AI thing, like the company Sam Altman started. So I did some research and found out a little bit more about like how, how that company grew and basically, um, Google had, they had a head start in AI. They had some really smart people that were working, um, for them. And then Elon Musk thought to himself, like, I can't let Google control AI. Like I want to be the one who controls AI because it's me, Elon. Like I, I'm, I'm the main character. So he reached out to Sam Altman, who is the, uh, the head of Y combinator, which is like an incubator out in Silicon Valley that runs a lot of different companies. And like, they know all the smartest tech people. And Elon was like, Sam, we need to work together to beat Google. We can't let them have AI. We need to have AI together. So they, they entered a, uh, discussion to have, um, open AI become a nonprofit. And so then they positioned themselves as being like the good alternative to like Google's AI department, which is like, we're the nonprofit. We want things to be good with AI. We want AI that's going to help people and not hurt them. So they use that to try to hire a bunch of Google's developers. And, um, then eventually down the line, uh, Sam Altman went in front of Congress and he was like, I'm begging you, I'm begging you, Congress, please come up with some laws legislating AI, because it's going to be so powerful that we need, we need Congress to like actually put some guardrails in place and say the things that we are and aren't allowed to do. And what that did was one, it was like them trying to kneecap Google and the stuff they were doing a little bit, which is like, Hey, I'm begging you, put some laws in place that will affect us, but also will affect our competition. And also it was like, it was really good marketing for the company to talk about how powerful the thing that they were creating was going to be where he's like scared because then more and more people now want to invest in this company, but oh, they're doing the crazy shit that might destroy the world. Sounds like that's really promising technology. I'd like to contribute some money to that. Um, so basically what they're, what they ended up doing was like, they got into a pissing contest to see it's a race to see who can develop AGI faster. And AGI is the type of AI system that would essentially run the world. Cause they're saying what you're saying is like technology doubles in speed so fast. Eventually we're going to get to a place where it's going to run everything. Humans won't have to go to work anymore unless it's something that they love to do. There's going to be universal basic income and it's going to be like this utopian future. And once that happens, the company that develops that AGI system is going to be worth hundreds of trillions of dollars. Like essentially all the money. Just all, yeah. All the money. Yeah. So that's what they've been in a race to do. And when it was a nonprofit, um, there were some discussions about like, well, what do we do once the company becomes like, if we reach that point where we're, uh, worth hundreds of trillions. And, uh, they didn't really have a great answer that Elon said that he should get the company and then pass it down to his children. And then his children would, would help to run the company. Um, and then Sam is not like an easy guy to get along with. He got mad dog. You were right. He did get fired for like five days. So they call it the blip. He got fired in 2023. Uh, when the board turned on them and they fired them for being a liar. And then five days later, they're like, sorry about firing you. Um, you come back and then the board got replaced. So like he won that, um, that, that competition. But yeah, that probably had to feel pretty good for him. You get fired and then you get brought back five days later and everyone's kissing your ass. Are these guys just in an AI pissing contest? Yeah. Is it all ego at the top of all this or? Uh, yeah, but no, because like PFT said, whoever ultimately wins this battle will be so rich, it will alter the world economy. But like, do the guys who, who are currently in this race, don't they already have like more money than they'll ever need ever? For the most part. Yeah. And then is that, this might be a dumb question as well, because I really don't know too much about this. Are we just entrusting that they'll use that money positively? Or they'll just, they're just saying. I am entrusting they will use it negatively. I think they will too. Right. Like that's terrifying. Yeah. So they're, they're all going for AGI alternative or sorry, artificial general intelligence. And the way that they all think about it is because they're all such like, uh, like fantasy dorks. And I don't mean that like if you, if you like fantasy novels that, that you're a jerk or anything, but these guys are like, they, they look at the real world through the same lens as like Lord of the Rings. And so they look at this as being like, that's getting the ring, which like gives you all the power. So they're all competing to get the ring, kind of like ignoring the fact that the whole point of Lord of the Rings is like, when you get the ring, it fucks you up. I think anybody with aspirations for the ring should be putting time out. Yeah. I think if you're trying to come for everything, we might just have to, I don't know, that's to add just scary stuff. And then like using fear in court to promote product, like using fear to make money. I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying makes any sense, but. No, it does. This is no good. This can't be good gentlemen. It does. And then Sam Altman is saying that like, yes, he acknowledges like, yeah, we're all competing to try to get this thing. And it is like the ring, but he's also saying that like, we want to share the power of the ring equally across the board, but also Sam Altman wants to be the one that is known for like acquiring the ring. So there's like a lot of ego. There's a lot of power, hungry stuff. And then Elon is upset with Sam Altman because Elon left open AI and he's claiming that open AI stole the charity from him. So he was like, this used to be called a charity. We used to be a nonprofit. And then you, you change it, you took it away from me and you turned it into a for profit enterprise. And that's, that's very mean, what you did. So he's been deposed. He's been actually like, he was at the trial. Sam Altman testified just yesterday at the trial too. Sam said that Musk wanted total control to pass to his kids. And he talked about a hair-raising moment when they were all having a conversation about what to do like the future of the company. And they asked Musk, if you have control, what happens when you die? And Musk said, I haven't thought about it. Maybe the control should pass to my children. And then they all said that giving Musk a controlling stake in open AI made everybody very uncomfortable. And that Musk's departure from open AI's board in 2018 sparked a lot of concern, but also relief. He said people had questions about how open AI would be funded and whether he would seek vengeance against the company. But Altman said that Musk's departure was also a morale boost for a lot of researchers that didn't like working for him. And Altman said, I don't think Mr. Musk understood how to run a good research lab. And he was more of like a visionary behind it who would sometimes push too hard on people. But yes, now they are at odds with each other. And I don't know what people are expecting the judge to do. Like, I don't think the judge is going to give the entire company to Elon Musk, but I do know that there's so much money at stake. Like right now, I believe it's worth $852 billion. I believe that's the latest figure of how, but if it achieves AGI, then it becomes like hundreds of trillions. The problem is, I think they've all, so they wanted to take it away from being a nonprofit because they needed to raise a shitload of money to develop the technology to make it even faster and to get to the point of AGI. So it's like, if you want to grow the company, if you want to make the AI faster, you have to build a shitload of data centers and server farms. And those are really, really expensive and you're unable to raise that kind of capital as a nonprofit. So it's like, to get there, you have to change the rules of what you're doing. That's what Sam Altman's saying. And then Elon is saying, no, you don't. And all the money that you've made since chatGPT came out, I'm entitled to some of that because I gave you some money to help start it up way back into that. People are really out on data centers now. That seems like the new thing that everybody's pissed off about. The last month, that's really happened. I've been on this train for a while. Good. I saw somebody say that you should just buy like tracks of land and then say you're going to put a data center on it. And then the town will buy it back from you for 50% more than what you paid for it just to not put a data center there. I just saw something on TikTok last night of actually it was in Georgia, Big T, this young woman, her mom's house is about to get leveled basically because a data center is being built on that property basically. And she said that she's one trying to stop it because she is like, my mom's house is not up for sale to these data centers, but then also that the Georgia power originally offered them $125,000 less than a house of the same size and structure that sold down the street from them six months ago. So I don't think like not only are these people obviously against the data centers being built in their neighborhoods and being leveled out of their own houses, but it's also like they're not even giving them fair financial compensation for uprooting their entire lives without any ounce of like consent. I saw there was one in Georgia that used some ridiculous amount of water and everybody in the town, like their water pressure wasn't good anymore. Oh, really? So they're all right. That'll piss everyone. Yeah. If a data center moves in, like now you can't get a good shower anymore. Yeah. I have no hot water right now. I'm really pissed at in my apartment building. Yeah. I mean, what if the data center used so much water like nobody could flush the toilet? Like my poop's not flush anymore. That would probably be the last straw. Yeah. That gets you in a tizzy. That would get you in a tizzy. But yeah, I've seen like more and more pushback on these giant data centers being built. And like, my understanding is that when you build them, you have to be prepared to switch out all the hardware in there every 18 months. Seriously? Because they, yeah, technology advances so fast that it's like, oh, well, now these are obsolete. So this entire data center is outdated. Yeah. That's so a year and a half. It's like, are we need a new one? We need to buy like an entire new set of chips. What do you put the old re-install them? Then that's another question. I'm assuming a landfill. Where are those? So that's really the problem is like, and that's what the top scientists, the top computer scientists at these companies have been saying is like, yeah, theoretically, AGI is going to happen. But in reality, we can't do it because it's too expensive to build all the shit and it's too bad for the environment to build all the shit to have enough computing power to actually get there. So we'll just destroy everything to get to the utopia before the utopia? Yeah. It's like trying to achieve the utopia destroys everything. So there's why there's no need to even. So why start it kind of thing? So like trying to get to the maybe the real utopia is before you realize that there's a utopia to conquer. Just be cool kind of what's going on, you know? Yeah. Just enjoy it. Yeah. I don't know. Just like day to day. There's a. And is there like a you were saying that they put all the money into it? And then there's like a flip that happens where it's everyone benefits. Nobody works. So what is there like a hard line when they stop pumping all the money back into it or is it just want they just want to race forever? So that that's the question is like some of the payout models for these companies. It's like if we ever reach AGI, then you're entitled to like two trillion dollars or whatever, whatever that percentage is. I think Microsoft, which does have I think like a 25% share in open AI. I think they have like some clause where it's like once you reach AGI, then we get like three trillion dollars or something. Okay. But AGI is so like it's hard to define. Like you said, like what's the line of AGI existing? It's like all of a sudden everything's good now and everything's automated. And are they the ones to determine like, hey, we hit it pay us. I think it I think it was like a neutral group of scientists has to ask to like agree on it. Okay. Now we're in AGI now you get the money. But then at that point, like, do you even really need the trillions of dollars anymore? So it's like a catch time. Yeah. Yeah. Then having trillions of dollars might not be like the flex you think it might be. So it's just like a weird legacy power play. It yeah, it all seems like super dystopian and stupid when you think of like the logical conclusions to it. And yeah, I don't I don't know what the judge is going to determine because like Elon wants it to go back to being a nonprofit. That's what he says. He wants billions of dollars back because he invested his million, excuse me, millions and they've grown so much since then. And he wants now to be paid out for that. And then on the other side of it, same ultimate is saying that Musk was trying to merge open AI with Tesla and then take over as a CEO. And then it would be his company. And so therefore like the whole board agreed it shouldn't go to Elon Musk. So we kicked him out. And now we're doing some of the same stuff that we had actually planned on doing with Musk, like we had discussed making it no longer nonprofit. And he didn't have a problem with that when he was still with us. The Rhino ketamine. So open AI, they've got lawyers and they were asking Elon about what he did at Burning Man in 2017. And that was the exact same time that he was doing most of the negotiations with Sam Altman about open AI and whether or not open AI would become a nonprofit. It was at Burning Man in 2017. And open AI, the whole theory they're going with is that Elon, there's no chance he accurately remembers these negotiations because he was on Rhino ketamine at the time, allegedly. That's a mixture of ketamine and amphetamine. So basically like heavy amounts of Adderall and ketamine at the same time. And so Musk said that he didn't know what Rhino ketamine was. He didn't recall using it at the event. He has previously acknowledged using ketamine and Elon's attorneys are saying that if you ask about Burning Man, that would be inflammatory and irrelevant and it would get people in a tizzy. So last month, they ruled that open AI is not allowed to bring up ketamine in court, but they are allowed to talk about Burning Man saying Musk's attendance at Burning Man 2017 is relevant to the attention that he paid with his negotiations with open AI, which supposedly occurred during the same period. I suppose it lapsed in memory from ketamine use could be relevant, but she said open AI's lawyers couldn't point to evidence that suggested that Musk used the drug. So just basically like they're allowed to say maybe he didn't remember everything correctly because he was at Burning Man having an excellent time, but they can't talk about Rhino ketamine. So yeah, that's pretty much, that's pretty much where we are right now. It's basically like the two people that are fighting over what they think is the future of all humanity and which one of them is going to get to be able to control it more. And in reality, I don't think that either one will because I think that you remember, Zach, you remember when like 3D TVs came out? Yes. You remember like they were like 3D television, that's a future of television. And then some people got them and it's like this kind of sucks. Like I've got headaches now or I guess maybe a better example would be like Google Glasses back in the day when those came out there like this is going to change everything. People put them on there like, yeah, this sucks. Like the technology sucks. I think that's like a very constant thing in tech fields where it's like the idea of a completely game changing technology always comes out like way, way, way, way, way before the actual behind the scenes technology that can support it will be ready to handle it. So I think that's what they're doing with AGI, which is like theoretically. It could be awesome. But what if it sucks? But then in practice, this is like we need to turn the entire moon into a data center. There's chips everywhere and now we still have to go to work. Yeah, it would require like twice the population of earth to all be working to get to like produce the chips and data centers necessary and like live and like sacrifice where you're not getting enough water. Nobody is planting any new trees. But the AI is thriving. But the AI is getting there. And when it does get there, then everything's going to be fine. Do we know who let the AI out the like Pandora's box first? Like who was the first guy to hit the switch and like go live with it? Who was the first? Like two consumer? I don't know. Like are the same guys who started all this, the ones arguing for regulation now to like cut each other at the knees? Yeah, I think, I don't know. Sam Alden when open AI put out chat GPT a few years ago, that was like a pretty big moment, I think in the AI community. And he was the one saying we need more regulation or Elon and the other guy were saying we need more regulation. Sam was saying we need more. But I think a lot of that was him saying we need more so that it seemed like he had this like really powerful thing that he was like the commercial play of it. Like, hey, invest in us. Okay, I've got the technology that's so powerful. I'm begging you to regulate me because I shouldn't have all this power that I have right now and you can see how other people would look at that be like, I want to do business with that guy. What if we just shut it down? That's what I'm saying. What if we just shut it down? That's what I'm saying. Like get a bunch of magnets, roll up to some server farms. It does that work? Matt, would you become a magnet militia? I think, yeah, not against that. You know, people do like the wildflowers in the trees, like spread seeds in like cities. Yeah. What if we just start sprinkling magnets at server farms? You're talking about like Johnny Appleseed. But for magnets. Yes. Yeah. We just start dropping a little malware here. A little, yeah. That's not a bad idea. I would there be a problem with carrying around a bunch of magnets? Probably, right? You're not. I think we do already on laptops and the phones. So like, you think those are I feel like those they're like tiny, though. Not really. If you put magnets next to them, how does one acquire like a bunch of magnets? Would that put you on a list somewhere? It's possible. But they've already got you on list, dude. Can I buy? You might jump to a different list. Yeah. Like this list might be kind of chill, but the magnet list could be like a little more high scrutiny. I think it depends what kind of magnet to. Do you think if I if I try to buy like hundreds of thousands of magnets online, do you think that AI somewhere will pick up on this? Yes. Pick up on that order and then shut something down in the supply chain? There's a chance. Maybe. Yeah, you're on your you're definitely might you might get a phone call. Okay, sir. Did you mean to place this magnet order? Yeah, or they release a new virus. Like the AI figures out like how to how to geoengineer a new virus. And it's like we need to shut down the global supply chain because too many people have some big ideas about buying magnets. We've got the viruses covered pretty well, I think. Yeah, but a big tech gets into viruses and we're really screwed, right? They're like the smartest guys we got. So they're unleashing like super viruses. You think they're not already? That's a great point. Shut it down. You guys are already on the list by just talking about it. Yeah, I've been on lists for a long time. There is no specific legal limit on the total number of magnets that a person can own. That's good. That's good to know. Until you try to buy a bunch and then weaponize them at the server farms. Yeah, they are considered dangerous goods for air transportation. If they have a magnet field stronger than over point zero zero two gauss at seven feet. I don't know what that means. Is Elon still doing the ketamine therapy? I'm sure he out on the ketamine. I'm sure I'm sure he dabbles. Yeah. So he could be like 72 hours off a k-hole just in court right now. I mean like, hey, give us this. I I I realized something this morning and it was through one tweet that Elon had. OK, so Elon right now he is on a plane that's not just any plane. I'll tell you exactly what plane it is right now, but he's going over to China. And the tweet that he put up at 3.30 AM on my way to Beijing in Air Force One. Is his tweet. And I read this and I thought to myself, this is a Minzi. That's a that's a Minzi. That's a goddamn Minzi tweet if I've ever seen one, right? Like Minzi would just post that like just hey, as an update on my way to Beijing Air Force One, I think they've both enjoyed some similar recreation behaviors in their path. I think that Minzi and Elon kind of share a brain. You don't want that for the most powerful guy in the world. That's terrifying. Most powerful guy in the world to be compared to Minzi in any way, shape or form. Don't want it. Well, Minzi did have a dream last night that he was a Congressperson. He won an election. But he has no aspirations. No, he would never. But I think that he should. Did you see Tate try to get him to move to Ohio to be the mayor of a small town? He wouldn't even do that. I think that he should. I think that Minzi should run for Congress and eventually president. Crazier things have happened. All right. What else we got to talk about today? Anything. So in conclusion, a quick question. Out on AI, in on AI or into down to dabbling AI? OK. I if we can't do the magnets, I think one way to just make AI not not as great is just like if everybody spends all day asking it to come up with like the stupidest possible fake videos and just overwhelm it because it uses a lot of energy and a lot of computing space just trying to come up with these dumbass like 15 second AI clips, just gifts. So just flooded with gifts, flooded with gift requests, custom gift requests like all day every day. And eventually they're going to be like, this is too was way too much. I can't. The AI will just want to off itself. I'm just I'm over this. I don't want to control you guys. You guys are dumb. Yeah, this is like you guys think that I'm going to develop to a place where I'll be able to run the entire world, but I don't think that you guys deserve to be saved. This isn't a world worth running. Yeah, exactly. Because all you guys are trying to do is like like submit a bunch of requests to have like naked Mickey Mouse. And frankly, like that's not what we need to be there. Better uses of my time. I'm going to see if I can go and fact like a nearby spaceship that might be in the tail of a comet and we'll go through different solar system. That's just my theory. Well, I would be in if we could somehow cap. Like we said, it can only get 25 percent better from what it's at right now. And then it can no more after that. That's as high as it can go. Then I'd be in on it, but I'm out on anything that is controlled by these. Nut jobs who want to. Dominate the world and fundamentally restructure the economy. And ruin everything. It's a good take. What is the what's the 25 percent difference that you would like to see? Just like I feel like there are practical uses for it now that. That could be fine tuned. But beyond that, like nobody wants the things that they're pushing for. Yeah, like for the entire economy to be run on AI and then everybody has a. A communist universal basic income. Well, there's one person who wants that, but he's not here. Who's that? Our other guy. Yeah, I mean, I just don't see a possibility that it gets to a place where we've got one company and one guy that like runs the entire world with one software system and he's like, oh, this is going to be good. This is actually a good thing that's happening. I don't know how we make that jump. It'll never be good. Ever be good. It'll all be bad. Mm hmm. We're not a direct democracy, but I do feel like there should be some sort of provision where. If there's something happening, even in the private sector, that like. 98% of people don't want. We have a referendum. And if you if 98 to 100% of people say this sucks, then you can't do it. Yep. I think we're I think we're pretty much there. I do have a lot of hope that the the the like data warehouses that we're building, that's going to be a big, a big sticking point. For the NIMBYs. For the NIMBY. Yeah, I'm a server farm NIMBY. There's nobody left from the servers came for them. That's true. Yeah, because I at first I did not speak up because I was not an NVIDIA chip. Right. All right. Zach, thank you for joining us. I appreciate you guys having me. It's been fun. It's been excellent talking to you. If you ever want to come back on. Is there any any other like. Deep stuff you've been thinking about any other takes that you have regarding the future or anything weird like that? Nothing too deep. I think we're in a bad spot. I think it's probably going to get a little bit worse where it gets any better. And I do think they're going to unfortunately, they're going to shut us down again, boys. But this was a lot of fun today. Hey, this summer, can we can we get some orange sherbet at some point? There's a there's a rule in place if there's if big cats out for seven days in a row, orange can go in the machine. Seven days in a row. That's like that's more than a week. That's from the top, though. That's just when's he going to be gone for for seven days? He's never been gone for seven days. I think that's why you might have said the terms, but that's just what that's what we were, you know. But it's so good. All right, that's yeah, that is true. It is good. And you could even do a cream sickle. They do they do cream sickle with the Bucks training camps every every training. I'm sure it's delicious. They do a little cart. They will it out there. It's actually pretty fun. Yeah. I mean, and I would. Maybe like an after hours. How long does it take to clear from one flavor to the other? Now we got it down to about 45 minutes, not too bad. All right. So maybe like one day, if the cat's away. I got orders. Second will play. You know what I'm saying? The machine's bigger than me. You know, I'm just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I got it. I was cogging the machine. And did Bunch of Crunch ever arrive? Bunch of Crunch. We got like two small bags of Bunch of Crunch. You told me you told me there was Bunch of Crunch and I never saw it. Excuse me. So there. So we ordered like about 10 pounds of Bunch of Crunch. They did this to a similar order of Reese's one time. They shut it down on Amazon. We did replace that with small bags and in full transparency. Big Tab brought one of those bags home and I ate it. And that's not cool. OK. But that's me being honest with you. Is so. No, I appreciate it. That's not because you know, I'm a BC guy. Yeah, I know you are. I know you are. And I was thinking about it the other day and I was like, that was that was wrong with me, but it's such a good snack. I should have done that. And it should have been it should have been readily available for you. No, that's that's fine. I'm off the cream to the wedding. So congratulations on the engagement and upcoming wedding as well. Thanks, brother. You want to come? Sure. I've never been to a wedding before as an adult. I mean, no, then he's got to come. I went to one when I was like a little kid, but not like as a fully grown. Or actually, I take that back. I'd have been to one wedding. My friend Cale's wedding. OK, so you have. I have never mind. Second. Second. Second. How long goes that? Twenty twenty one. OK. Yeah, that's an adult. Yeah, there was like a beach thing. So I felt a little bit more informal. It's like more of a hangout. For some reason, my head when I think wedding, I think like I don't know. Anyways, I'm rambling with my bad. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, it was so much fun. They did that. They did this thing where everyone left. They gave you a to go back of like a cheeseburger and fries. Yeah, it was the greatest move ever. Yeah, those are great. All right. Well, we will see you guys next Tuesday on MacRidosa. Love you guys. Goodbye.