#2441 - Paul Rosolie

The Joe Rogan Experience Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast my night all day Hello jungle man. You what's happening? Good to see you my brother. That's what's going on. You got books. You got notes. I got books I got the I got this for you. Yeah, a little little note and there you can read later Yeah, the brand new that's what back from the Amazon with that nice marshy say hi to everybody I love that you bring more to have you has Marshall come on other podcasts or is it just Good boy. You're good boy. We should just have to keep him from going under the water. No, buddy. Yeah, I gotta keep him from Getting under the camera. Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah He's the best. He is the best He's soft man. He's got. He's got amazing coat. Well, he gets groomed or thank you. Thank you for the kisses Okay, I don't like don't please So oh my god, you released that video. I saw the video. Yes, the uncontacted tribe. Yeah hitting send on that was scary Yeah, wild. I sent you I sent you a message that day. Yeah, I mean that Yeah, he did that is crazy. I've showed it to a few people but we never showed it live But it is so marshy got a lie down, buddy You can't be climbing under the wires That experience has to be so insane to contact like legitimately uncontacted people. There they are. Yeah Yeah, and so them and do not look at their dogs do not well I mean, you know, but also maybe take a style tip from them and time up weird how they got their waste wrapped up But they don't have their don's wept up or their butthole Well, it seems like they're they're trying to protect or they're trying to keep lots of rope I think rope is like their main things. That's how they carry all their rope interesting and and carry the rope around their waste They carry their rope around their waist and they just want rope they want rope and bananas Is do bananas grow in the Amazon? So bananas don't grow unless people plant them So there's certain human settlements where you know, you can find old bananas growing But these you know plantains really is what this is And they were requesting them what you see happening here is they request them. Yes, they come out And I mean, these are people coming out a thousand years late to society And they're out on the beach holding up their hands saying no moldy we are the brothers no moldy means brothers And so now we actually think that they call themselves the brothers Whoa, and their first thing was we want want bananas And so the local anthropologists that we were with we were just there to to work with the communities that we work with And these these guys came out across the beach and you see them there holding that you know They're holding their bows and those bows are six foot bows seven foot arrows And we were said, you know the anthropologists were saying put down your weapons put down your bows Before you talk to us. This is does not need to be violent because their first instinct is to defend themselves And so there's maybe 20 30 of us and the local guys had a couple of shotguns just in case for protection Because we were not initiating contact. That's the thing I've been explaining to everybody We were just there working in the community. They came out to us So they knew you were there and they came out to you and how does someone speak their language? There's one guy in the community that kind of speaks a little bit They speak in the community they speak yee-ne the moshko piro speak a derivation of that And so he's they're speaking and broken in broken terms across across the river So they were sort of shirts versus skins. We were on this side of the river. They were on that side of the river And then I I mean the the courage of this guy to get in the river and go You know, it's 10 feet from them and push the the canoe. There was no contact no physical contact made But he gave them these these these plantains and then you notice when they take them It's not like oh yes take the plantains will go back in the jungle and divvium up It's like what I get I get they're fighting over them and they were all screaming and fighting over them. So there's desperation there Yeah, like I mean, I guess food is fucking hard to come by right? I mean the jungle is filled with life But it's still it's got to be difficult to source and you got to do it every single day every single day So the feed refrigeration. There's no preservation No, so everything is instantaneous. You shoot a monkey. You got to cook it. Need it You know, you get a turtle. You got to you got to eat it. You got to open it and eat it And so there's you can I mean you can see there there there there's there's there's more Does that that questioning look on their face? They don't understand who really who we are And the really the only communications that we got was we need we need more food And stop cutting down our trees They want it. They said who are the bad ones? They said of you who are the bad ones? Why are you cutting down our our biggest trees? Well, not just cutting them the trees, but also killing the indigenous people that protest it that get in the way of it If their tribe is centrally located in an area where they're chopping down the trees that kill those people Yeah Yeah, and so right now what we have is we have the loggers and the gold miners coming in and so since like the last time I saw you It was it was we were we were nailing all these successes adding acres to the reserve because what we're doing is trying to create This corridor, which is going to become a national park We're trying to save this one river in the headwaters of the Amazon and we had been on this success run You know from from people hearing the stories From things like this People coming in and helping us do that And then it started to change where we realized okay We're protecting so much land that the logging mafia's and the narco traffic are started pushing back And so now it's getting more serious as we're getting closer to the finish line It's getting harder because they're going we want this to remain wild And we're going we're trying to protect this and the local communities are going this is our forest And the loggers and the narcos and the miners are coming from other places and they're cutting down this forest And so it's just you know, I mean everyone knows the Amazon is the lungs of the earth Everyone knows it's got a it produces a fifth of our oxygen on our planet It contains a fifth of the oxygen of the fresh water on our planet So it's vital to global planetary stability But we've already destroyed 20% of it And so we're seeing the moisture cycle get burned 20% of the whole Amazon rainforest And that thing is so big 2.7 million square miles and I think the lower 48 is 3.0 something Million square miles wow It's gigantic wow And they've already killed off 20% of it 20% of it's already gone Is it um mostly cattle running like what is What are they what are they doing it for cattle ranching accounts for 60% of Amazon deforestation And then it's just development Roads China has a new shipping port in Peru that they want to you know create a I think an a railroad over the andes mountains or through the andes mountains So they can start getting access to the Amazon for Asian markets Is it true they carved out a giant pathway through the Amazon for a climate change conference? You know, I've been trying to figure out if that's true I saw that go all over the internet But it's one of those things like who knows if that's real that and then the other one is they're like As you know Swedish billionaire bought this much of the Amazon. It's like but what's his name They keep saying that and I'm like I don't well. Let's put it into perplexity and find out that's true The whether or not they carved out a pathway through the Amazon for a climate change summit Because that sounds like horses that just sounds too ridiculous. There's no way they would do something that's stupid I don't know, but I did see people why would they have a climate change summit in the Amazon? You're gonna do it at 10 No, I think they did it in Manaus. I mean there are cities in the Amazon. There's a Kitos. There's Manaus sure So you can fly into those cities. You don't need to carve out a fucking pathway But I remember seeing a video of this guy and he was saying like this is where the jungle used to be and now it's just this big road And I was like but again who in charge of the client unless they were gonna have a climate conference and just local administrators and politicians that will we better get ready and clear this area and like maybe it wasn't intentional I don't know I mean if they have pictures of it Well, it's on the BBC Amazon forests fell to build road for climate sound. There you go. Oh my god. It's real Oh my god a new four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforests being built For the COP30 climate summit in the Brazilian city of Bilem Oh my god. It wasn't Manaus. That is so crazy It aims to ease traffic to the city which will help climate. It's easier to drive and there's no trees More than 50,000 people including world leaders at the conference in November the state government touted the highway highway sustainable Pretty I love how to use that term sustainable is one of those wonderful terms. You can just throw on things sustainable Credentials but lacks local and conservation but some local and con locals and conservationists are outraged at the environmental impact Yeah, duh That's crazy. Look at that. You're chopping down trees to protest chopping down trees What's fucking insane sounds amazing. I just you know At one point in time people are gonna wake up and I think that that's you know that sort of as I've been I've just started this book tour and everything else and it's the thing I'm trying to impress I was just talking about this the other night is like We've had world wars We've had great famines we had the the dust balls like there's never been a time in history though before where we're looking at Is there going to be ecological collapse The thing that I'm talking about with where they've cut 20% of the Amazon scientists are warning that if we cut Too much of the Amazon that moisture cycle. I think the the thing was that 20 trillion liters of water every day are pumped into the air from the Amazon and that becomes the cloud system that rains back down the Crazy Amazon rainforest if you cut too much of that you break the cycle and that forest has been growing for Something like 55 million years. I believe it formed in the Eocene And so we are the generation that's gonna decide do we find a sustainable way to keep the animal the Amazon rainforest Functioning or are we gonna break that cycle once we lose it? It's not gonna come back It's so crazy It's so crazy that people are so short-sighted that like we want them Have cattle ranches It is it is disorganization and apathy it's like we we we have the ability to organize and cred I mean if you can organize an airport you can you can figure out a way to protect a forest But the fact that it's in numerous Latin American countries Brazil wants to develop in Peru you have the legal gold miners coming in and now you have the pressure from the Asian markets And you know we found that if you just I mean that's what we've been doing over the last 20 years is Going to these gold miners and loggers and going how much do you make and they go 20 dollars a day? You go do you want to make 60 and you get a cool shirt and you get health benefits and you get to ride a boat And you get a team and they're like yeah, that sounds so much better And they're happy to come over but then you know the opportunity we talked about you doing that I think that is really amazing It's just crazy that it takes a person like you and your organization To like put some sort of a dent in this this isn't some sort of a gigantic Global effort that there's not a lot of people that are recognizing this issue when saying hey This is a huge problem if this goes away I think though that they're I see in the world that I exist in I see that all over the world This people doing conservation projects and that we are at this point where There's enough happening where I mean you had EO Wilson advocating for the half-earth policy where it's you know at least half of the earth has to remain ecosystems If you break too much down if you ruin our ocean fisheries You've cut the rainforests and the forest you're gonna ruin the weather right the stuff that comes standard with life on earth is going to be Depleaded right and so I think you know You see tiger numbers going up in India You see that there's actually been an increase in forest cover globally But in some of the most important areas like the Amazon It's just wild and I mean that's what we're doing is You know the guy JJ that I work with whose local he's been trying to he's been saying this for years I mean since we saw each other he got which I don't know how this happened I don't know how some of this stuff happens But we got a we got an email one day from time and they were like we're selecting our you know 100 climate leaders of 2024 and they're like JJ's one of them And I have no idea how the people at time select this But they chose this I mean JJ grew up in a indigenous community barefoot He didn't have shoes until he was 13 And it was because he saw his forest get destroyed And because he saw the fish vanish from the rivers as nets came in And then as chain saws came to the region he saw the trees go down he went We got to protect the next river And so he's the one that you know when I went down there at 18 years old He's the one that was like look you got to help me protect this And of course at 18 years old is like how How do I do that? How on earth is that possible And then when we started seeing the smoke on the horizon and we started hearing the chain saws And it got more urgent I started telling these stories and the Anaconda stories And the everything else the first book that I wrote And little by little Jane Goodall People helped along the way Joe Rogan helped along the way Well I'm happy to get the word out because I mean it's It's kind of insane that it's happening But it's also that place is such a magical place And then it's such an insane history that we're just starting to understand The history of the people that live there I mean through the use of Lidar they're just starting to understand that the entire place was Massively populated and that a lot of the plants That exist in the Amazon are actually agriculture plants that went you know went rogue When the people were depopulated because people brought in smallpox I got a push back on that that's that's I feel like that's a theory that's been becoming prevalent as a theory Well sure there was a jungle before yeah because even in the lost city of z mean even the the talk what is it per se faucet The people that went there they talked about the Amazon being a lush rainforest But and these enormous cities were that were incredibly complex yeah before The jungle swallowed them up So it's it's clear that there was some form of jungle there already 100 percent But that these plants that they grew for agriculture were the ones that had You know once people stopped Tending them and taking care of them they overwhelmed the rest of the forest Yeah, I friend sent me a clip and you I think you're talking to Tom Segera and you went You know the crazy thing about the Amazon and you went it's it's largely man-made and I was like like through something and I was like no Let's find out why we said that let's pull that up Put run that into perplexity and see what articles we get So what they're saying is that these plants that the number if I believe If I'm not mistating the numbers that they exist in are not natural But that's only around these ancient sites and so I went and did a deep dive into this and the sites that they've studied are along the watershed And so in the Amazon you have Terra firma which is sort of dry forest and then it dips into the river basin and you have flood plain Most of these cities existed on floodplains And so where the scientists are able to go is up the rivers and they go to the edges of these floodplains where they find ancient human settlements And that's where you find terra prey to soil which is human engineered And that's where you find there'll be like a higher incidence of certain trees or certain plants What are these trees? And so like bananas for example or sometimes they'll plant a higher amount of Brazil nut trees So here it is our sponsor perplexity which is always accurate Estimates suggest that roughly 10 to 15% of the Amazon standing forest shows clear signs of being man-made Or strongly shaped by long-term indigenous management Not planted as Uniform tree farms but modified over thousands of years much of the Amazon that looks wild has been influenced by pre-Columbian Indigenous agro forestry soil enrichment Amazon dark earths that's terra prey to yeah and species selection rather than being a purely untouched wilderness These systems differ from modern plantations. They are diverse semi-natural forests in rich with useful trees and crops rather than rows of single commercial species So the idea of the terra prey to was that a lot of the Amazon soil is not good for agriculture is that correct? 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Yes when it when it's separated from Africa the the the Congo and the Amazon used to be joined in some sort of proto Congo System and then when they they separated the Amazon South America hit up against the Naska plate the andes mountain shot up And then the salinated water drained out and that's why we still have Inland fresh water stingrays manatees pink river dolphins Oh, that makes sense and so that happened over millions of years as the Several years the saltwater dolphins adapted to fresh water exactly. And is that why they became pink? They became pink I think because they've lost their pigmentation. They've terrible eyesight They almost don't need to see because you don't in the in that sediment rich water They're using they're using sonar. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, wow So they've become almost blind? Yeah like all the fish you pull out these giant catfish They hardly have eyes they have like light sensing organs You can't see I mean there's there are clear rivers in the Amazon which I would love to go I've never been to one I don't like the streams are clear but the Amazon river itself is nothing everyone's like oh you should bring a GoPro in the river with you And I'm like for what? You're not gonna see anything just sediment. Yeah, yeah But the thing that that that that this This theory about the the Amazon is even human engineered is wrong Because when you look at the size of the Amazon you look at that 2.7 million miles It's it's that they've said that what they're not getting is that in the areas that these people have been studying with LIDAR and through this anthropological digging They're saying it's more than we thought there's certainly more human settlements than we previously thought There maybe were a few million people there before Pizarro and and the explorers came But when you don't what you don't realize is that between the rivers between each river Which is the majority of the Amazon is this terra firma giant jungle with hundreds of miles between the rivers Nobody's been there and so I just was reading a scientific paper It was saying they went out and sampled those areas and it showed absolutely no sign of human engineering And so most of the forest in terms of the growth of the plants But they do LIDAR to see if there's previous structures Well the good thing with the LIDAR is that they fly over and so LIDAR confirmed That over those human areas like you get like a river confluence with two rivers are coming together There'll be a human settlement there and in those areas they find that the terra prada They'll find that the plants occur in different abundance and diversity than in the other places But that the this this message that the Amazon itself was engineered by ancient humans or prehistoric humans Is not actually accurate it was a wild jungle Clickbait did they make those article? Because people build their careers on you know if you come out and say I have a new theory about how this formed it gets Attention there's even a and nothing against um, what's his name? Graham Hancock um for a while everyone's like all Polarosa uses a debate Graham No, I don't I got nothing against Graham Hancock. He's great But but it's just the messaging isn't is is becoming that the Amazon was kind of man-made And so what happens is you get leaders like in Brazil going well if the Amazon was really man-made then we can manage it now And that it's just not it's just not accurate if you look if you look at the and even Smithsonian did an article They said these are the current things that are coming out these are the theories and then it went Yeah, but these theories discount the fact that 95% of the Amazon rainforest has not been surveyed in this way And most of it shows that these are just wild ecosystems that have been growing since the dawn of time for the last 55 30 million years And it's just been speculating and growing and evolving on its own and it's only in these tiny areas that humans have Done this sort of engineering where they were there were tribes the first one to come down the Amazon He mentioned that um there were tribes that had Sectioned off parts of the river and they were growing the giant river turtles And that was their prime source of proteins. They figured out how to get River turtle. Oh tremendous. They're like three or four feet across from the carapace Show me a giant river turtle Jamie. Oh, they're huge They're monstrous absolutely we don't have them here. They're the sea turtles like those sea turtle. Why? Sea turtle size. They're huge. They're absolutely monstrous. Right and then we found fossil water there We're on a beach. We found fossils of an eight foot river turtle. Yeah, but so okay, so you just like the ones you find in Hawaii Those sea turtles are like if you go to the big island. Yeah, you could swim with them. It's pretty dope Yeah, these guys don't have flippers though. They still have they still have claws. Oh, okay. Those are monster turtles and that's it And so and so they were growing them farming them for they were forming them and so in areas like that You're going to see agriculture. You're going to see pottery You're going to see terapreta you're going to see things where there was a small civilization by the edge of the river And then in the other 98% of the Amazon No one's ever been there have you had sea turtle before? Have you this kind of turtle? Whatever it is. Have you eaten yet? Oh sea turtle note this yes, yeah, absolutely. What does it like? Uh, uh, it's kind of slimy. It's not like anything. It's very strange because you They cook it and just you know everyone everyone always go how could you be a conservationist and eat the animal? Because when you go to someone's house and they live on the side of a river and they go we're having dinner That's what they're serving you gotta eat with them. Yeah, I wouldn't do that man. You're really good. How could you let me throw paint on it? Let me glue myself to the show. Yes, that's what I'm going to do next time Um, I showed you that video where I'm sharing the monkey head with the girl Yeah, I was like I was babysitting a six-year-old and she was like it's lunchtime And I was like well, what did your parents leave you for lunch? She like opens this pot and pulls out a monkey head and she's like this So we put it on the fire warmed it up and then we both sat there just like Rip it I would like rip off a piece for her because I stronger and give it to her and then she was like no no I want the ear and she like she would rip off the ear like we just sat there eating a monkey face And so the turtle they cook it in the shell They'll just like you know, they'll just like slit its throat throat on the fire And so it cooks in the shell then they part the shell And then you kind of just like it's like a slow cooked like you're going to meet falls off the bone Oh, wow you just throw a little salt on there and it's kind of how do you have a surprise? So that's something they trade they trade for it. They trade for I mean the people I'm dealing with have access to the outside even the really remote communities that are two days up River they they they trade with the outside world they have some Interaction with money And so that's one of the things that we're doing as an organization is saying okay What do you want your future to look like? Because right now you have a couple shotguns you got a couple chainsaw as you got a couple boats And those things make you want money But you also want to eat fish out of the river every day You also want to eat monkeys every day and then these are your staples And they're like you know if you cut down more of these trees There will be less monkeys if you shoot too many like it's not like they have deer tags where it's like a monitored thing They just they're not understanding this you know when it was a bow and arrow it was kind of a fair game Now the shotgun. It's like you can go shoot whatever you want every time you pointed a monkey it's dead. Yes It's not tricky hunt and so we're worried these guys are you know working with us as rangers and we're building this Developing this relationship with the local communities of saying how do you do you want to continue living this way? Do you want your kids to live this way and the answer usually is yes, but with better health and education So we want to yes, but okay, that's a yes, but so they like that way of life They want they want to continue that way of life Because it's the only thing they've known I mean how's have any of these people ever gone to like any of these Other cities that are fairly close or that they could reach and and seeing what that life is like Yeah, we bought we brought one of the communities They were having trouble with the proving government getting recognized as an indigenous community And they were having this trouble for 15 years and we we used you know now we have lawyers and and people and we have an office and all the stuff in Peru And so we we went and sat down with them. We said okay, why are you having this trouble? I mean you clearly are an indigenous community What's what's the hold up and the hold up was that it takes two days for them to get to the nearest town when they get to the nearest town there Scared of the traffic they have no idea what to do with paperwork It's sitting in an office. I mean these are people they're like putting their bows and arrows and guns down and walking into an office and sitting there in the air conditioning And they're like next and they're like sit and they're like do you have form like I-2 27 B and they're like I-2 They're like what's your social security number? They're like The you know they got some like fish shells and they're you know Um, and so what we realized this was that they were just having trouble with the administrative part and so we put our lawyers on it and we got them Their indigenous title land and so now no one can take that away from them And so for that we brought them all to the city we had a big Conference and we had a big celebration about it and they were all had the feathers on their head and they were all celebrating and now they're safe Today is there any pushback like is there any like Political influence by the whatever it is miners ranchers anyone who tries to stop that from happening Bride people to try to take over the land of these people absolutely And the Amazon is a war zone of of influence and so you have I mean the the miners if anybody tries to protest the gold mining they kill you So one of the lawyers that I was working with his father had come out and said look as a local Peruvian person in the jungle. I want this to stop. They can't they're destroying There's a Jamie. There's a A photo in the folder that says I think it says sandstorm or something, but it's just It's not even again deserts are actually ecosystems. This is a wasteland They've they've destroyed hundreds of thousands of acres in the Peruvian Amazon. You can see it from space It's this horrible scar and they've cut the trees burned the forest and then they've sucked the land up And then they take the bottom of the sediment and they use mercury to bind the gold out of the sediment And then they burn the mercury off the gold releasing it into the air. Oh great. Oh, yeah So that then in the rain it comes down as mercury rain which gets into the fish Discussions to the people and then also the miners must be getting mercury poisoning the miners all have mercury poisoning birth defects Health problems respiratory issues I mean it's Some of the fires That's that's that is me that is me running out there with you right there Yeah, I mean as soon as we see forest burning we we run towards it and it rains there a lot right So like how long does this forest fire last? Well, they do it in September when the so like it's like July through September when the forest is at its driest They come in and they cut the forest and they leave it down. What was that picture? You just showed me Jamie? That's a horrible picture That's an animals burned alive on a tree two baby jaguars that were burned alive. Oh god Yeah, and so people and they just stuck on the tree burned alive. That's crazy People talk about you know, we're losing ecosystems and it's like it's not just about us these animals live there They have no worlds to go and so there's massive individual suffering for am I mean millions of animals on a single tree And so then when you have this these these these five fires where they cut the forest and just burn everything This I mean those trees would have been filled with monkeys and birds and and and the snakes you know They they get scared they burrow deeper into their hole and then they're then it burns and so this is all for goldmining This was the this was for cattle ranching this one This was invaders on our river that come in from other places. They what they set up cows they set up papaya I mean this is what it's supposed to look like it's supposed to be this lush verdant ancient rainforest filled with wildlife I mean the cacophony of sound when you when you're when you're going to sleep in your tent at night and you're out in a place like that It's just this throbbing pulsing symphony. It's incredible the magic of that place of real wilderness Is wild I mean this is played that that particular shot was It's we had to go for days to reach that spot, you know all day on the river camp all day on the river camp You know you're going up rapids you're going up the waterfalls To get to these places that nobody can go and there's a there's an example of it's That was a specifically a location where they've studied and they've found that there's never been a human settlement there It's just a corner of the Amazon ever have they done Lidar in these areas where they say the people have never been I don't I don't know for sure that's where it gets weird right because like they've done Lidar on some of these places that were like very lush and tropical And then they find these structures underneath it Absolutely These areas that clearly had you know some sort of pathways and like geometric patterns that indicate foundations of buildings yeah, no, I mean those those are there I just think that right now the problem is that it's getting grossly overstated How much of the Amazon if you take it take it as a football field and you go man I thought it was only in this much of the football field, you know in a few inches of it And then you find out there's actually 10 feet of the football field that was There's just till the rest of the football field is still wild right right and so what I think that's the the message that's getting lost is They're going there's a lot more here than we thought that doesn't mean the whole thing I watched the documentary once on this guy was losing his mind. He was a scientist who was a biologist who's convinced that the giant sloth still existed In the Amazon and they couldn't find it and that these people who lived there were telling him we see them You know what they are we have a name for them and this guy had been there for years And he was losing his mind because he couldn't find it and he sort of Staked his academic reputation on the idea that this sloth existed Couldn't find anything, but it doesn't mean it's not there. It doesn't mean it's not there. There's so much There's so much and the locals are never wrong Like imagine if you were looking for a coyote And you had a look through the in top you like there was a thousand coyotes in the center of the United States And you started in Pennsylvania and you were hiking your way like I don't see any fucking coyotes There's a thousand of them that are in North Dakota and you've got to find it like that's that's a great That's a great way of thinking of it. I say same thing with rattlesnakes when I was a teenager Exploring the mountains of of New York and I was going it says there's rattlesnakes here So I was just walking around finding every kind of snake and I'd be like well where are the rattlesnakes? And you don't realize the wildlife occurs in populations and so the rattlesnakes were all near rattlesnake dens And so then I started making friends with other guys that were into snakes and they're like yeah, we know where they are It's only you see that mountain right there. It's like it's on the side of that Go to that in the morning when there's sun and you'll see them basking And so you got to go to where they live Right, and you have to talk to the people that actually know yeah Well, this guy was trying to do that But you there was this this one scene of exasperation where he was like sitting down saying Did I stake my entire reputation on horse shit, you know did he did he but did you have to pee? Keeps getting up which is unusual for him Can you tell Jeff to come and get him see a feature? He might have to pee He's generally he's happy to chill. Yeah, I'll just lay down he keeps getting up and he's huffing Yeah, it's like he communicates that way. Yeah, like when he wants to eat he comes up to me and he huffs You know No, but I think that that's that's that's the truth is it's it's people think it's like You can just go find this stuff and it's the the secrets in this world are hidden for a reason And even if there is a tribe that knows about the giant ground sloths, they're not gonna tell us Right, they're not gonna tell someone from the outside. So it might be like one one valley between two mountains where there's still a population The bathroom bring them back in here. I'm pretty sure he has to go Thanks Jeff I wouldn't you know, I mean there's got to be a bunch. Well, there's so many plants that they find there that this is an interesting statistic Find out what percentage of pharmaceutical drugs that compounds emanate from the Amazon. Mm-hmm It's an enormous percentage. Yeah, yeah a lot of the base drugs quinine came from the Amazon the first cure from malaria I know cap to pril which was a blood pressure medication came from bushmaster venom. That was in the 90s There's so much. I mean I just got whacked by a stingray hard. I saw that. I got your foot, right? What was that? What happened? That was brutal. I mean that in you even hit by everything I had this Dude I my body is a Jackson Pollock painting of scars. Do you do you ever get checked for parasites? Because you must have all of them. I do estimates typically typically say that about 25% of Modern pharmaceutical drugs are derived for rainforest plants and Many of those known examples come from the Amazon, but there's no precise peer reviewed percentage just for the Amazon alone Most popular figures you see like 25% of medicines come from the Amazon actually refer to all tropical rainforests Not specifically the Amazon, but the thing is like How much of the Amazon has not been explored and how many potential pharmaceutical drugs or you know Here's that's the term right pharmaceutical drugs. What about natural remedies exist in the Amazon? Yep, that aren't you don't need to patent them and sell them at a fucking pharmacy and Yeah, I mean look so we have you know we have we have Neosporin you got to cut it looks a little in fact you put Neosporin on it. Mm-hmm it might work Down there we have a tree that you get we tested this and it it murders bacteria It's like a hundred times more potent than Neosporin. What's it called? The sangre de drago. It's not even a big secret like people know about this every time I post about it Everyone's like yeah, we know about that. We use it No, but no one's ever turned it into a cringray in Austin Probably some sunr it how to say it sangre de drago the dragon's blood the drago sangre de drago. Yes, dragon I'm watching a game of thrones again. That sounds like something clueless. He would say a mother of dragons I mean and by the way called drogo could have used that as he thought of an I mean right the thing that took him down That didn't make any sense to me. I thought that was a plot hole. No, there it is that's dragons blood song grape the drago. Yeah, but is it good is it is it sourced well right? It's probably made by some asshole It's probably like 1% the rest of it's corn syrup because we just go we just hit the tree with the machete And then I have a spoon right and then you put it on your thing and actually exactly that when I saw that I thought the opposite I was like oh this great warrior. I was like that's such a great plot twist that just a Nick killed him I mean I just had a staff infection in my leg From one mosquito bite that just got itchy and then it spread and it spread and it spread until I had to be on double Antibiotics they culture it and it was Merse And it's like I would have done the Amazon well I got Merse a year ago at um I had dengue and I'd gone to a to a clinic in the city Which Merse usually lives like in like in the hospitals in the human areas right because it's a medication resistant staff infection That's what Merse is dance for right? Yep, and so I had gotten it and so I have a tendency now I've been a little bit compromised in terms of infections because it's living 20 years in the jungle and So I had already gotten it so chances are that's what it doesn't exist and that's the thing you see in the in the wild jungle You don't have malaria you don't have rabies you don't have dengue because the human population is so low It doesn't spread a mosquito bites you Here the next person is going to bite is me or Jamie Mosquito bites me in the city and then I go out into the rainforest there's no one else for it to bite It's going to bite a an antiter right and so it's not going to spread like that whereas if we have a town of loggers That's why when you go to these like logging and mining camps the diseases They're just I mean there's this thing called this type of flea called a peaky that goes burrows into your feet and lays eggs There's leshmeniasis there's malaria dengue What's the the bird's like a virus? There's all these Crazy things but we don't have that out in the jungle because I mean the the ecosystem the frogs eat most of the the mosquito larva The mosquito larva like Like brimiliad cups or puddles well brimiliad cups and puddles are filled with tadpoles And then of course there's turtles in the puddles eating the tadpoles and then there's other things eating the turtles everything's eating everything Go system regulates it when you ruin that so then you cut down the forest now you have puddles Sitting in the sun and they're all twitching with mosquito larva so you have tons of mosquitoes And so that's how nature they say you know mangrove forests will stop tsunamis From destroying a town because they'll stop the the rush of the water will forests will keep you safe By not only producing rainfall that'll come down on your crops But also making sure that the ecosystems not out of balance So you're not covered in mosquitoes and parasites when I lived in LA I moved into a house and and see know that I was renting and No one had lived there in quite a while and they had left the water in the pool And when I was going out to look at the pool the pool was completely green and there was things swimming in it like I mean like school swimming and I go what is that and the guy goes that's mosquito larva Like no way and it's like yeah, we have to kill them. We have to drain the pool and with like I was just thinking about how many times I was gonna get bit once these things hatched it was crazy like it was like watching little fish Yes, when around little hatchlings. Yep, and then thank God for dragonflies because they'll lay they're they're young in the same thing And dragonfly larva will go murk those things there's savage and then you get tadpoles Um wild kingdom right in your pool right in your pool right in your little cup But but when I got stung by the stingray it was crazy because so the the I had been walking I've been walking with shoes in this stream I took my shoes off because it's like oh I'm at a waterfall. I know this waterfall. I love this waterfall Playing in the waterfall and man is the one thing bullet ants Came in bites snake bites. I've had it all the stingray bite was the one thing Where's the bullet ants? A hundred thousand times worse. Really? Yes, and I'd seen one guy get Get stung by a stingray and he had nerve damage a systemic infection up his leg in his whole body And he didn't walk for months So when I got hit I felt this is what I felt I felt in a the flash of a second I felt the stingray bar go into my foot and it wagged its tail under my skin So it flayed the skin off the archer my foot and came out It has venom Yeah, so there all the skin is Man, that's nasty. So you put the skin of the dragon or whatever it is better So I sat and of course my first thing was like okay. I got a document. Oh man I'm unconscious. I'm unconscious at this point. You're in that much pain. Yes. I was blacking out Yeah, I mean, I was literally I knew I knew people were filming and I was like I didn't you know You want to be tough you want to be like all right? I just got bit by a stingray. It's gonna be fine. I was not Tough you said I don't remember any of this. Yeah So that first thing right there I started taking the video my friend comes up to me and he was like hey man He's like we got to you got to stop He's like because in a minute you're gonna go under And I was like what do you mean? I'm gonna go under and he's like once the venom hits your system He's he goes you're not gonna be able to walk and we're still a few miles from the river And he's like we got to get you to the boat and we can't carry you whoa And so they got me back to the station. I don't remember any of it They had me laying on my back and I was in so much pain. I couldn't put my foot down I was making deals with God I was going if I if you if you just make the pain go away as like I'll go to church every day I was like I'll never smoke a cigarette again on your foot So that's the plant medicine that's where I'm going with this They that that pack there they went to two different trees and they removed compounds from the tree One was the bark and one was the fiber and they put it into a leaf pack and they cook it on a pan And they heat it and it makes this plant peltus and they put this boiling hot piece of plant material It's like a it's like a fish cake and they put it against the wound and even that burned But it felt better than the than the venom and it starts to suck out the venom And so when they took it off my foot after like twizzes this is them getting the getting the plant material where they know the medicines And that's been handed down through the generations So they're just shaving it off with a knife. Yeah, so you see this a few different colors Uh-huh And then they heat that up until it's scalding press it against your foot and you've been the Amazon for a long time Is this is the first time that's ever happened you've been stung by a stinger? This is the first time now How does it happen you just you step in the wrong place? JJ's nephew so he knows he's got the indigenous training. He knew exactly what to do Wow, yeah, so that's all the venom So now all that black stuff is all the all the the the denatured blood that came out of my foot And so for about four hours I was in this state of just level 10 paint just white hot paint I couldn't talk to anybody. I couldn't do anything people were coming to me and they were like What can we do? And I was like just leave me alone. I was like I don't want you to look at my face You know, I was coming in and out and then and then by nighttime It had it had gotten this was that night where I was like okay the pain had subsided But I didn't get nerve damage and I didn't get a huge infection because they had this indigenous plant medicine to save me Wow the last guy that I knew that got it he'd went straight to the hospital and they had no idea how to deal with it The locals know how to deal with this stuff. Wow look at that That's crazy. That's tree medicine. That's crazy. So What happens you just stepped in the wrong spot? That's all it is I mean, I've stepped on stingrays before and you feel in flutter and I one time I even felt the barb go like past my foot But it didn't penetrate. I do not know how I mean it must have been a small one or something But it just right up through the through the archer my foot and what's funny is it just I would never walk barefoot ever I walk barefoot all the time but but but just days before not days before that about a month before that Fallen off of something like a 50 or 60 foot cliff and just rolled down and bruised ribs and got in all banged up I'd climbed up this cliff thinking I could I was like I see this route up there I can get up to the top and at the top My strength just ran out and my feet were pedaling and I had no footholds and I just went tumbling down this thing And I just went you know what I said I've had infections. I've had crocodile bites. I've had I've had Denge I said I got a week left in the Amazon. I'd been in the Amazon for six months And I was like I'm doing nothing dangerous no tree climbing No anaconda hunting no crock diving none of that stuff and I just swimming in a waterfall bam Just how long ago? That was actually in April I waited to post it until now But everyone's everyone's messaging me going how's your foot and I'm like it was months ago But it was like it is better how long did it take before it was better? Honestly two days. I was on my feet in two days. It was fine. Yeah, and if you went to the hospital I did not go to the hospital, but if you did go to the hospital, I mean the guy that the guy that went to the hospital Didn't walk for two months had the necrosis and and had a huge infection that he had to go get treatments for I mean he went back to his home country and had to continue being treated for months I felt terrible and him too watching Watching someone roll back and forth and that type of agonizing pain like brave heart pain like when they're just like opening him up I mean I just didn't know there was pain like that. You know, I mean I've ripped open every part of my body and And I just this was it's from the inside and it's pulsating and you just go the other thing is you go how much How much of my year did I just miss you know am I gonna? It's like the one time I almost chopped my knee I almost cut the tendon that holds your knee cap on and I was just like man that I just take myself out of the game for a year You know just like come on and so when that happened I was like this is gonna be so bad And meanwhile a couple days later you walk around because they stood the medicine the local guys know yeah, wow That was awesome. Did you ask them how they know this stuff? Yeah their Father taught them and their mother taught them and their grandparents know and so that's the thing With knowledge indigenous knowledge all over the world if you if you listen to authors like Wade Davis who writes a lot about indigenous wisdom You know, this is stuff that's been one at a time gleaned from nature and you know you know better than most You know you're living out there Who's the first person that figured out ayahuasca? You know if we take this and this we take this vine and then we take this and we boil them together How many trials and errors how many dead guys were there before one worked right and what was the motivation and what was the motivation They said the jungle taught them how to do it They did they the the prevailing thing is that science and and sort of The like the statistics of of trial and error are incomprehensible given 40,000 plants species and all the different flowering and orchids and trees and And so it would take millennia if if you did trial an error Yeah, and the cost of human life to any civilization would make it too high and so when they say that the gods gave us ayahuasca That's the prevailing best thing we got is that it's a link between our world and the spirit world that the jungle gave us right and and that the you know The other thing is like how much of our Senses have atrophied by modern civilization yeah, like what kind of communication do you actually get from the forest? I guess there is it instincts intuition are there senses does as there are feeling that you get where you get an Understanding of combining two things because the jungles actually got a way of communicating with you. That's a non verbal way I think that the jungle I mean I view it as almost a you know, it's like it's godlike. It's it's almost like a giant complex sentient being And so you if you listen to if you watched you know if you walk the jungle with JJ an indigenous tracker He'll tell you you listen to the birds. They'll tell you how fast you're allowed to walk You know what what he what he means is you're walking through the forest on a sunny day It's the afternoon and everybody's chirping and making tons of noise and all of a sudden everything goes quiet And then you got to figure out you know is that because there's a weather system coming in and we're about to be in a thunderstorm or is there a jaguar right over there and everything around me knows and it's like the the birds are the messengers of the forest and so you Even that you start to become a tune to the frequency of the forest and I notice when I bring people in that you know Never been in the wild before they they walk loud they're talking the whole time they're not paying attention to that sort of You know holistic view of the world You know modern civilized life There's made us so clunky when it comes to the woods. Yeah, you know Just when I take people in the woods if people have never hunted before you know step it on branches snap snap Can rocks over like Talking loud my favorite is walking in front of you and then when the stick snaps back like having the sensitivity to like they don't catch it Yeah, yeah, she's getting smacked in the face. Yeah, well, it's just a lack of awareness You know, it's like if you've never been you don't understand But I mean I would imagine is that times a million in the Amazon and then all the different things that are communicating one of the things that they found out with uh with monkeys Is that monkeys have some sort of a language? Where they can say a sound that means an eagle is there yes, and that they will play tricks on other monkeys so that they can get to fruit Yeah So they will say that an eagle is there when an eagle is not there and then they'll go and steal the fruit Yeah, so they will lie About an eagle being there so they can get access to fruit lying monkeys does not surprise It's African-vervot monkeys that I that I've read about that they have different calls different words For land predator lion eagle and they can communicate these things. I mean they're speaking. Yeah, they're speaking as our crow is I'm sure oh Oh god, yes, yeah, I'm oh, yes, they're super intelligent. Yeah. Oh, I don't know how we pull this up I have it on YouTube, but there is this thing where we were coming down river It was like seven in the morning would been up at art. This is I Communication with monkeys theme as as we're coming down rivers like seven in the morning, and I'm I'm always cold So I'm sitting on the boat and I'm cold and I'm just like listening to music or something and JJ is like look Look, he's like there's a spider monkey in the river I was like there's always a you know spider monkeys cross rivers. That's okay And he's like no, no, the river's high right now and there's all these whirlpools and currents and so yeah, I jump into the river To save the monkey to save the monk she couldn't get to the side So I give her my paddle and she looks at me and she goes no she's like I'm scared to you and then I spoke to her and spider monkey What did you say Like that she thinks she's gonna eat her she thinks I'm gonna eat her, but as soon as I started going Look a look she's looking at me because I'm making the sound and all of a sudden she goes wait wait you you speak me language And then do it like you would do it See I'm making it right there and she's looking at talking right to her No, no, no, no, and then I'm like look it's okay, and they like their tail to be supported Wow Crazy dude she let you hold on and now she's relaxed That's crazy dude you saved a monkey Only because I spoke her language and I learned her language from some of the orphans that I've rescued That's crazy And then she she was like well if you let because I could have grabbed her like you know like animal control that grabbed her by the neck And I was like you know what look she's looking at me because I keep talking to her and then you got her over to the The shore yeah got her over to the side and she kept looking at me like what is What we have when you put her down put her down she ran away just ran away yeah But not fast she didn't run away like she was in terror yeah Oh yeah that I went when I when I first did I went And she looked at me and she went she looked at me and she like responded she was like what that's you speak You know that's it was why and that's one of those stories where if it wasn't on video And I said I spoke to a spider monkey and she responded to people really have bullshit right I saved a spider-mock like bitch that was your pet yeah Yeah, yeah that looked like a pet I look like you had a relationship with it like what as you're holding onto the tail like it knew you when she was looking back I mean she was like hey thanks for the branch, you know I was she she was drowning we saw her head go under a few times She was really struggling she was exhausted And I know that the spider monkey their tail is their fifth limb They have this incredible finger pad that's like 12 inches long And so it just just wraps they always had their tail Anchored on a branch and so I I held her tail and I was like I got you now hold on to the stick I was like explaining it to her And she's looking at me going how the hell are you that is so wild yeah it was it was really cool That was a I originally I was like JJ. I was like I don't want to get wet. She'll be fine He was like go get it go catch you. It's like okay. Wow How are you eating spider-mocky? How many well sure? That doesn't mean I don't want to save him Right, I would save a deer I'm here but it Does it feel it must feel really weird eating a primate I wish I could say it did I don't care really no I mean I've we've become very callous to certain things But I mean when people serve turtle now I'm like well and which one is it you know, it's like I don't I don't really you know, it's like rib eye or t-bone like what are we what are we eating it's a good like would you like order it at a restaurant? All right, so the problem is that The way they The way they cook it down there. These are people that live It's the hand to mouth, right? And so when they cook a turtle if you get salt you're lucky It's not like they're sprinkling some cilantro on it like marinating it. It's you know So if you just like took a chicken and threw it on a fire and then like eight a piece of it. It's not great And so a lot of times that you eat this this food way out there in the bush I mean, I've been there where they've shot a spider-munky grilled it up and I've been like to you know I'll just eat rice and then I'm like I'm gonna be I'm gonna be tired tomorrow with no protein in a week and I'm like Give me an arm, you know You just like eat the hand and it's just tastes awful just tastes like Vanilla he was in the Amazon with the Yanomami Yeah, and he said that that's their preferred food. Yeah, like that above everything. Yeah Yeah, and I and I see no I see no conflict between You know, we're trying to protect the ecosystem and save the monkeys and I love the monkeys and I've rescued a lot of them personally But again when you're when you're in Rome, right? You know if you donate with them they go that green go, you know, they think that they yeah Whereas they're like oh, you're one of us. Well, you have to you know, you show you know how Mm-hmm, you know little little things or or must be chewies fuck right? Not it's it's kind of smooth. It's kind of like if it's well cooked. It's kind of like mutton This episode is brought to you by armra every week There's some new wellness hack that people swear by and after a while you start thinking Why do we think we can just outsmart our bodies? That's why armra colostrum caught my attention. It's something the body already recognizes and it has hundreds of these specialized nutrients for gut stuff immunity metabolism etc I first noticed it working around training especially workout recovery most stuff falls off But I am still taking this if you want to try armra is offering my listeners 30% off plus two free gifts go to armra.com slash rogan Okay, so you have to slow cook it long cook it. Is that what it is ideally? Yes, but a lot of times it's just they they tie it to a cross Like it's a little monkey Jesus and they throw it on the fire Yeah, I've when I saw them cook it they sing the outside they singed all the hair off and then they cooked it I think they cooked it inside but see if you can find Steve Rinala eats a monkey I I think they and then they boiled some of it in like a soup. I don't enjoy boiled meat Never excited by boiled meat, but stew right? Be probably stew is yeah, I mean if you if you sear it first and then you I mean it's kind of If you sear it first yeah, cuz like just boiled chicken to me just like think a white like Just eating it. Yeah, so here he's just eating just yeah, I see like they're like having a really good time Yeah, initially he was like I'm not doing that. Yeah, and then once they started doing it was like okay He said it's it tasted like smoked turkey. Yeah My boy y'all know. Yeah, it is It's interesting because if you live there like my friend David Cho He was in Africa and he hunted with the hotza and they baboons And he said one of the craziest things is when you hit the baboon with an arrow they grab it Like a person. Yeah, like a person who goes shot with an arrow and he's like dude. It's fucked Yikes. Yeah, but that's what they eat They don't have a lot of food and you know, it's like you were saying also When it they don't have a sense of wildlife conservation It's not like hey, we we have an accurate assessment of how many Baboons are here or how many deer here at Dikers or whatever the animal is that they're hunting They just eat whatever they can and sometimes they eat them almost to extinction And then they have to move on to baboons and baboons were like the only thing that was left and there's also like Other people have encroached and settlements and you know That's the way my guys because we have a lot of wildlife in our region And people from other regions will come as loggers and they'll go oh my god my dad told me that it used to be like this where we were And now we have people from other watersheds in the Amazon like you know 150 miles away coming to us And they're going can you guys bring jungle keepers over and they don't understand You know, we're killing ourselves just to protect this river and they're going can you do this where we are? They're like we have no more food Because they don't have any regulation on this and so what we're doing with the tribes in our area is just teaching this basic thing of like You know don't hunt you know at these times of year when they're having their babies right Don't over hunt monitor how many monkeys you're bringing into the into the into the village And so we're trying to develop this with them where if you're gonna keep eating monkeys do it in a way that they're keep being monkeys Especially once they've gotten firearms especially once they've gotten firearms though The one of the older guys said to me he goes man. It's so sad He goes we grew up He goes you could just pull fish out of the river and there was monkeys in the trees and there was turtles He goes you could eat whatever you wanted out of the forest. He goes now. He goes we're eating sparrows And he was like we've just we've eaten everything down to the smallest birds. He was like it's just destroyed and it was where he is is like something was like Kormick McCarthy's nightmare If Kormick McCarthy was still alive, I would show him The the I went to a part of the Amazon that really no one goes to up this horrible river and And that they were recently contacted Uncontacted people just just this tribe that had just come out of the forest. They still had their bows And they had no idea me and JJ went for like a three-week expedition Plain to plain to plain to three days on a boat to two days on a boat to finally reaching this last settlement and The missionaries had pulled this tribe out of the forest. They'd tricked them. They said just come with us for a ride Pulled them out, but then they said well if you want to go back you got to pay for your gasoline And the tribe was like why do we pay with what? And they were like money and the tribe was like what's that and where do we get it? And so these little people were standing these were not tall people like the Moscow Piero These were little tiny people and they were standing there with their bows And so we showed up with our tents and our gear and we were trying to go up this river and our boat and these little people came up to us And they were like they were making the gesture for food And so there's some loggers over there and so JJ just didn't didn't think And he was like you want some food you got to go pay for it He was like money and you know, he's through a guy He was translating and these people are going but we don't have any money And JJ took some coins out of his pocket was like just go buy some bread and he gave him some coins And they went and they tried it and they got some bread And then all of a sudden there was 50 of them coming at us and they were surrounding JJ and they were grabbing at him and they were like he's the guy with these tokens that allow us to eat And we had to get out of there because it was causing a problem But I mean these people think they they're with their bows and arrows and there's no more animals to hunt And no one's going to give him money and they live at the edge of the world And they're probably tiny because they don't need protein. Yeah Wow It was horrifying. It was one of the worst things I've ever I've seen poverty all over the world This was Again, my mother got their own food with no food and no way of getting back to forest where they could be a hunter Gather a tribe now they were in this in this wasteland where the loggers and the gold miners and the oil companies There was there was even there was even a barge with oil and it was like this is where the Amazon is being eaten And it was out of sight you have to go for days just to get this no foreigners there actually they did say We're talking to one logger and he said Because you know a few years ago he goes there was a we saw some rafts coming down river And then they stopped at this beach up river and they they they made camp And he's like so we all talked about it and we said well We have a feeling their organ harvesters and they what they were scared of these of these incomeers right So the organ harvesters that's at the Amazon no And so but that's what they were they're sitting around the campfire and someone was like what if they're organ harvesters Like why would they think that I don't know But that must be a thing that gets I don't know But but the dude I was sitting with told me he goes you know We got real scared sitting around the campfire everyone was telling these stories And he's like so we figured the safest thing would be to go kill them So they went and they killed them and they were a couple of European Like hikers on a mega expedition in the Amazon He just got murdered by the locals preemptively in case they were dangerous Oh, okay And this dude was like yeah, we fucked up Oh man, I'm talking to him. I was like so who did the killing thing was it you know, I was like Shit man, but I mean this place was dark You know I in the next book I write I'm gonna have to do a deep dive into this one because it was just It was it was heavy and we also we knew we for the first time you know We're in the jungle. We're like we're safe This place it was like people looking at you and they're like that's a jacket I'm gonna watch you know like a camera and a tent and a pack raft they're like you To like if we killed him we get all kinds of stuff. They're looking at you like well That's it. It's a lot of opportunity and you could just see them being like won't let's separate him from the herd Oh, yeah, it was rough. It's like you think like the cowboy days like when it was really wild like bloodmuridian Well, not only that was probably a ton of stories about people that have come down and done horrible things Okay, so it's not like you're thinking like these are wonderful people that come to give us plantains No, you're thinking these are the type of people that would do horrible things to us Yeah, so we have an opportunity to get something from them and your desperation pure desperation And so like the the communities that I've worked with in my region of the Amazon They're all you know you show I've showed up on a pack raft and been like hey, and they're like where'd you come from? And I'm like I'm just this foreigner who does its work here and I talk to them and they're like oh camp here You'll be safe. They're really nice. They're caring their families This place that we were at was this outpost and it was all extractors. It was all gold miners petroleum people Loggers and it was like all the men who were in the dark bit the the the black market people were all in the same place So there was like a brothel there was these displaced in natives and then there was like this one really scary missionary This man looked insane. He had crazy eyes and he wouldn't come anywhere near us From where where is he from I couldn't I couldn't tell where he was from but he was dressed in the robes It was like the mission Except he was evil like you could tell he you could tell he looked at us and just vanished And he had this little settlement that he had cleared and he was bringing his children in And pulling them out of the forest your white guy you looked like a white guy But it was hard to tell you you know, you know, you know, he looked like breastbuten Oh wow and these poor people are sitting there and you could see them like they're all like breastfeeding their babies and like like trying to eat rats and like it was just we stayed there for one night And we all we didn't sleep we were we slept back to back We were just in our tent just awake all night And then the next day we got in the boat and we kept going further up wherever We finally made it into the into pass the edge of human civilization into into just uncharted jungle But it was really And so at least where we are It's like we're we're working with these tribes to make their lives better to educate them And there's this feeling this is good feeling we have jungle keeper shirts I mean now we're on the river and we see jungle keepers boats going by where we had gold miners Just a few just a few weeks ago. We had gold miners everyone the whole team was calling each other We sent our we sent our Ranger team out there. We brought the police. They arrested the gold miners They brought them to town. They offered them jobs And they said you just can't be doing that here And so they only cleared like half an acre of forest and then we got them so they didn't destroy anything And so that's how we keep them higher them to mine gold right That's the thing there no one hires them they they get it in their head they go You know hey To their cousin they you know they'll go why don't we go make some money? Let's go up there and see if there's gold and they'll launch a little expedition They'll bring like a 16 horse power motor Go for three days and they'll they'll sneak past us on I mean now the government's getting involved because we've been having the success We're gonna get a park guard station on our river so we're not gonna have this problem But they'll go up the river And they'll just set up and they'll you know they'll start panning and they'll go I see a little flake here and they're like cool Let's burn some forest and then we'll start sucking it up We'll run it through the big motor and they they'll bring their wives and their kids and it's artisanal They're very and so what they do is they get the gold and then they have to take it and their little boat back to the town And then here's the problem There's one store where you go to sell the gold and guess who's waiting outside that store the people that rob you at gunpoint And take your gold and then give it to the actual people And so it's it's really sad artisanal gold mining. They're not organized and it's the same with the narcos We've been having problem with narcos And everyone's like dude you can't mess with the narcos like you're gonna lose the fight and it's like yeah, but these are These are people that are like we're just gonna grow a little bit And then grow it and sell it koka there. I mean we busted We helped the police bust a A we saw a clearing On deep deep deep deep way of river days up river There's a clearing out in the jungle and so we sent our rangers the rangers came back and we're like we can't deal with this There's something scary going on up there And so we told the police and the police were like yeah, we'll try and get up there Now at the same time I'm with jj one day and we always do the same thing when there's there was a there was a bad patch of deforestation along the river And we said how the hell did this happen they did it so quick And so I put up the drone And I flew it over and I'm so going who you know who are these people they loggers We're just trying to get a sense of what's going on fly the drone down and usually when we see loggers They'll run into these little palm-thatched huts. They'll run into them to hide from the drone That's crazy. They know what a drone is well these people came running out and they had guns And we had already on the river we had passed their settlement and flown the drone back Their boat came out after us And we started going and I was like jay jay you could just talk to them like normal and he looked at me and he went Not this time And we had a we had a 60 horsepower and they had a 40 and we were just blazing ahead of them and I had the drone in the air And so this you know, it's a $5,000 drone and so I'm driving the drone and I was like can we can we like I got to get this drone And they're like we did jay jay looked at me. He's like we're not stopping And it dawned on me. There's like we're we're if we get caught we're getting killed Oh And we arrived at armed at this point nobody on the boat had a gun And so we arrived at a place where the police were camped out Where the guard they had been dispatched to go check out that other site And so we arrived in the police force that we work with was there and we pulled up and we're like, you know We got bad guys coming in and they they masked up loaded up They got on our boat we turned around and as soon as they saw us coming back at them They left And then days later they went to that same police force and assassinated one of the guys. Oh man, so the narcos are different The narcos are scary And that clearing that we originally found they were actually predate a sacks of white powder The Peruvian military went in and actually raided that camp arrested everybody It was so big that the American DEA knew about it. They were notified And so this is now what's happening on this river where it's because it's the last wilderness They're coming and so we're we're trying to you know We're relying on the Peruvian authorities to stop this from happening so that we can create this park before it's too late Because they're also blazing roads they're bringing in loggers. They're smart They bring people and they'll send the loggers ahead of them and then when the loggers clear the land they'll just start growing coca And so it's gotten it's gotten scared I texted you when it was at it's a when I first started having to travel with security um I remember texting you because I was like this is this is a different Game you know used to be like we're counting the butterflies and we're you want to learn where to train yeah Yeah, yeah, cuz it's scary walking around Well, the thing is the the police intercepted off the one of the people that they arrested On the phone it said if you see JJ or that shithead gringo that flies the drone They said if you kill them will reward you oh man So they found this message on whatsapp they showed it to us and they're like you guys have a hit on you And then a few days later they they JJ was supposed to get in the car at the side of you know you take the boat down river to the car And he was supposed to get in the car and go back to the town He actually came down river in the boat And then when I forgot I forgot that I wanted to finish up something at the station take me back He went back to the station. So our driver Percy Started driving back along this little dirt logging road by himself And they had trees across the road Masked guys with guns they put the guns in the windows. They pulled him out and our windows are tinted and they said take JJ and pull out They were gonna do it So it just so happened that JJ wasn't in the car Just by pure luck He was not in the car that day and they roughed up our driver they took his driver's license Uh, they took his cell phone and they just said just let them know we missed him today. We'll get him soon Oh, man And so we went of course we went to the police and we're like look you we're gonna need a lot more protection Do like it's getting We're just trying to save the rain forest man like we're not trying to And these people are going well, we're just trying to grow drugs And we want to do that where there's no police and the wilderness is only the the wilderness is becoming a finite thing now So it's becoming this battle for battleground Jamie on there is a map. I'm wondering if you could pull up the map because I could explain to you what's the status of this right now Are they still after you guys? They are Still after us, but it's been for about eight months. It was really bad It was really scary. It was horrible like every day anytime jj called me. I'd have a panic attack But you see the the the yellow on the right is the trans amazon highway That's the big that's the big artery. That's what the Chinese and Brazil bit built But then that smaller thing going up that's That's the roads that the loggers and the narcos are making so that big red arrow. They're trying to make a road that goes in through there And so the the white line outlines what we're trying to protect and that light greenish blue Is the area that we have protected that's that hundred and thirty thousand acres that we have protected And so that's what we're doing right now It's a race against time if we can fill in that area if we can fill that whole thing in We save the land and once it's ours once it's under jungle keepers protection. It's indigenous protected the All right, we're back. Yeah So where are they don't grow in the drugs in this map? So right at the upper tip of that arrow sort of the outside They had cut a little a little road filament into there And again these little tiny trail roads they go under the forest the forest is 160 feet tall Is there a way you can communicate with these guys saying you're not trying to stop this? I mean right now what we're doing is putting signs on on all of these little tiny I mean these are jungle roads were just to go on the road you're going out to where You know if anybody finds you out there they'll just kill you and your body will be decomposed and recycled within 48 hours by the jungle So you're you're past where there's police. This is just earth. It's the wild west More than the wild west right because the wild west was never this dense Well, it's the wild west and you can't see 10 feet in front of you right I'm talking about yeah, this is more wild than the wild west. I guess so. Yeah, you still have you have you have Indians with arrows And now you have these narcos that are that are straight up evil that are coming I mean they're taking Girls from indigenous communities to work in their brothels. They're growing cocaine You got men working out in the jungle And so they go to the communities and they tell them hey your daughter's very pretty. She'd be a great waitress You know we can educate her while she trains and helps people and they they never see him again And so it's all that darkness and and at the same time What we're doing is bettering the lives of the community making friends with these people We have these amazing rangers and I mean we have different ranger stations along the river and if we make this into a park like Teddy Roosevelt no John Muir took Teddy Roosevelt on a three day camping trip and showed him Yosemite and like Sequoia and all this stuff And he was like we got to protect this like it's special here look at the size of these trees look at the beauty of this value And then they protected it This nothing is wild is this river on earth today And so if we protect this now the The 200 indigenous people that live on this river get protected from the narcos They continue having abundant fish and resources and then they'll work as park guards and educators and chefs and boat drivers To maintain this gigantic protected area and then Peru will have this crown jewel of the Amazon So they love it, but how can you protect them from the narcos? I mean the police the amount of money that's involved in trafficking cocaine Would make it a real problem But the good thing is that these are the little artisanal ones these are the guys that go these are not like mafia bosses This isn't like the Mexican cartel these are like these little clans of people that go you know what we could just grow some cocaine And then we'll sell it to the big guys and so they're just they're like mom and pop cocaine growers Some murders both course And so when the when the cops go out there the cops just rest them and take them straight to jail And so the cops have been so everyone assumes that Latin American police no matter what are gonna be corrupt and like the police force We've been working with has been keeping us alive And they want this park protected as much as the indigenous people do It's amazing how many good people are out there They're actually helping and how many narco organizations artisanal narco organizations are out there Peru has become it's it's it's not great Peru. I think has become if not on the same level as Colombia I think they might have surpassed Colombia as in terms of cocaine production They're they're not doing great with that right now And so we're at this very very Crucial juncture there, but you know, it's funny because in doing all this you know with Even with the book coming out and I've been talking to people and people go you have narcos now. They're like So you're gonna fail and it's like Man, you're not even the one on the ground like I'm the one on the ground I'm telling you we're not gonna fail and the police have been Successful declaring them out and it's getting better just like the whole thing with yeah the Amazon's disappearing But we can still stop it's like you got it you think like before d-day if church Hill was like I will probably lose Like you can't have them mentality And so it's very very encouraging seeing the the The local people stand up for what they believe in and and the job is dangerous. There's a There's a video on there that I think it says Sandra tree crush, but we I got woke up a few a few weeks ago And one of my managers came running at like 3 a.m I see a flashlight coming through the jungle And so I'm thinking the worst and then he comes he's gone Paul he goes a tree And I told you the last time I was on here. I said the most dangerous thing in the rainforest is the trees falling Said a tree fell in the ranger station And it's raining and I'm talking about rain you know when you're at the airport and you hear that sound where it's like There's no sound louder your ears can't handle it was raining so loud And he's screaming into my ear that this tree fell on the ranger station He goes and one of the rangers was Was crushed and I'm going but dead or alive and he goes we don't know yet And so it's 3 a.m. And we get in this boat and we're going up river and there's lightning flashing And there's rain falling and I'm looking with the flashlight and I'm navigating by the crocodile eyes Because we don't know where the edges of the river are Because they you know the eye shine And so we have footage of this and we arrive at the ranger station and sure enough this tree had fallen Crushed the roof all the beams and and all the all the scaffolding under the roof And fallen on this woman's face while she was in bed And so she was crushed under this and she couldn't even scream because it was raining so loud And so we get there and I stick my hand into the rubble and I hold her hand and I'm like are you okay? And she was like hey Paul she's like I have no idea and she was amazingly like like buoyant She was like I have no idea if I'm okay. She's like but I'm alive I was like we're gonna get you out of here. We started to chain-sawing I mean like 16 feet of tree debris over her and all this gnarled roof material And we had to pull her out of there and she had a scratch on her ankle Wow Got this great video for sitting in the hammock at like 6 a.m. And she's smoking a cigarette. She's like I'm alive She's going I'm alive And she didn't quit she's still a ranger and it's like she's out there right now Driving up and down because she wants that forest protected for her kids And it's like these people care it sounds like the adventure of this is very addictive to you This is what when I'm getting I think you love it. I think you love the forest I think you love protecting it But I think there's something about the danger of it and the chaos and the wildness of it all that seems to me I'm looking in your eyes You're smiling because you know I'm right. I know yeah. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna deny that that's when I was a kid I remember sitting in school and being like why did like you read about like rose of belt and jing good all and like these people Had these amazingly adventurous lives and I was sitting in school Getting detention after detention and getting yelled at me like can I go to the bathroom? And I was like why do they get to do that? And I have to do this and then like my you know Everyone around me was like you know and when you get a job Then you're really gonna love your desk one of my friends mom said that to me She goes you think she goes you think you hate your school desk. She goes wait till you get your real desk And I was like oh man And so yeah riding on the on the on the boat at at 4 a.m. With the lightning is incredible Showering in the river crocodile eyes. Yeah, man. I mean with a wind in your hair and the the feet I mean you know that you know the magic of the mountains and yeah And the jungle has its own vibe you watch that mist snarling up off the off the canopy and it's like it's so wild That you just you feel Better you feel healthier and again, you know that whole thing of of um What's that thing to say like a sacrament is an outward sign of an inward grace and it's like the the beauty of that You know you drink from the river and then you sweat it out and you watch your sweat be join the steam and rain back down onto the jungle You are connected to your environment and every single day. You don't know what's gonna happen You know I opened there was one day where I was like okay. I'm gonna stay on the station I'm not gonna do anything. I've been tampering myself in the swamps for for a week And I was like I'm just gonna like drink coffee and like do office work on my computer And so I was like at the station and my team comes running and they're like anaconda And I was like where I was actually annoyed I was like where how big of an anaconda and they're like no It's a pretty big anaconda as we go down to the thing and it's sure enough this big ass anaconda On a log like 11 feet, you know, not not a monster But so I started doing this thing where I was like because they were all like be careful and I was like of what And they're like it's it could bite you and I was like it's it's asleep I was like she's just trying to get the sun So when I started I took out my phone and started doing this thing I was like people scared of snakes and I was like I was like if you're scared of snakes It's like there's an 11 foot anaconda. I was like Do I appear to be in danger yet? And then I kept getting closer and I was like how about now? How about now? And then I was like she's not waking up So I get on the log with her and the anaconda still doesn't get up and so I I I turned around And her coil is here and her head's like, you know 10 feet over there And I just put my head Honor now I'm laying on the snake and I'm still taking a video and I'm going to see this snake doesn't care that I'm here And even if she wakes up, you know what she's gonna do she's gonna jump in the water She's not gonna bite me and she never woke up and I figured you know what why bother her She never woke up when you rested she woke up she she she she moved her tongue, but she never she never freaked out Well, they're the king Yeah, she was it sounds like they don't really have any natural predators, right? Uh, when they're small when they're small Right the crocodiles the herons the piranha Don't you know forget you forget that like pelicans and herons can eat like a baby alligator. They'll just throw it back sure Just just take it down their throat and the uh I was crazy Herons are there's amazing hunters pelicans are disgusting the way they'll they'll take like a whole bull frog and just Glut it down so you know that thing's like alive in their chest I've seen videos of them doing it to pigeons or seagulls. Yes, the one where you swallow the seagull whole And the seagulls like getting smaller as it goes down. Yeah, and the the you realize like that crazy mouth that they have Is just so they can swallow things alive. Yeah, it's weird looking funky thing like oh, that's a monster Yeah, that's a monster. They just swallow things alive. Yeah, you don't think of birds as uh as as savages What are you laughing at Jamie pictures of pelicans? It's trying to eat shit on the screen. I'm trying to dog. Oh Oh, come on Marshall Oh, wow trying to get a cat. He's trying to get it. Oh my god Yeah, they they basically can eat almost anything that's near their size Good lord that one just fly out Wow, it's too late. Oh Man yeah, they're monsters. He's trying to eat another god. That's that's I call bullshit. I was the way his pelican was trying to bear I believe that though. I've seen that video one of those things go again. Those are baby capy bears. Right those are they've Those are things that have made their way into loot. No, it's a different animal That's made their way into like Louisiana and they have to go out and shoot them have a lean us No, no, no, no, no, no, it's a type of large rodent because uh David tell used to have a TV show called uh Insomniac Yeah, and he went out at night one time with them and Louisiana and they're hunting these things that They're they're an invasive rodent a giant rodent and it was like uh David do his shows and then after it was a Comedy Central show It was a really good show and then he'd find things to do in the town because he can't sleep because he's up all night And so he went out with these people that were Gotta can't remember what the animal was, but it's a large invasive rodent that exists in the south. I mean Neutria that's right. Yeah, and people eat them. Yeah Yeah, I mean they've wrote and I mean Casabar on that video because it's kind of crazy Because uh, they're out there hunting them with 22s With 22. Yeah, I mean they have to there. There's they've they're completely invasive species and they're huge They're like a small dog. That's something I let yeah left off the list. We eat those all the time like they we We called it packa. It's like a small capy bear with spots. Uh-huh, and those I mean, you know It's like squirrels, but they're big they're like you know cat-sized and fat People eat them all the time. Those are delicious. What's your favorite thing to eat in the jungle? They're piranha piranha. Fuck yeah. Really? Oh my god. They're delicious and when you fry a piranha You know you slit, you know make the slits along it. You just fry the whole thing You just pull it right off of its skeleton and the the the fins become like chips like little salty chips Oh, they're so good. You just put salt on it and we just just just a little bit of salt and then fry it up And then better than the piranha is the paco the big vegetarian in the piranha species. Yeah, those are invasives of invasive species in America as well Yeah, people catch them all the time Yeah, they catch them and they're like 40 pounds. They're huge. Yeah, someone got a world record powerful really powerful paco p.a.c. You right? Yeah Um, I want to say in Georgia Georgia or Florida somewhere in there and fucking huge. Yeah No, they're powerful. We fish for them. You have a you have like a 10-foot pole with a rope on it Yeah, there's a paco yeah, yeah, look at the size of that thing man. That's crazy 50 pounds world record size paco cotton flora There it is 50 pounds. That's nuts dude. Those are so they're so nutritious when you eat them You feel like you're just gaining muscle really yeah like you you still you still eat a lot of elk. Oh, yeah Like don't you feel like it's like a super food? Oh, yeah This is how I feel I live on these things. Yeah, I feel like I just live on piranha. Yeah, piranha and paco. Yeah, wow. How do you catch the paco? 10-foot pole You have a piece of rope and you put like a piece of like last night's dinner You're like a piece of you tie a bunch of rancid chicken you leave it out in the sun make it smell bad You got six in the morning, so they're not vegetarians Well, they'll eat anything they specialize on the nuts. That's why they have the human teeth Oh, those are the ones that have the human teeth open their mouth they have like molars and then like a few like front teeth And so we go with this 10-foot pole and nobody can make a sound on the boat You're just floating with the river you're like invisible and you wait for a feature in the river like a like a rock or a place where the Water's rushing and you smack it against because they liked it that falling falling fruit or falling seeds And when they hit I'm talking about like a four-inch hook when they hit that hook This is a thing because you're doing this for you're doing it for an hour and you're like all right There's no there's no paco in here. Well guess what when they do hit it They'll pull you right out of the boat I'm I've been dragged straight across the boat where like you got to use one hand to stop yourself and the other hands Holding this pole and then your friends got to pull you back you get this fish on the thing and it's going How do you catch? You saw they're big they're like catching them that big yeah, they're huge And then you got it you got to have a hammer because you got it you got to shut them off somehow right You got to crack them right on you know between the eyes because otherwise they'll just either jump out of the boat or in your story everything It was the other thing we were going up river a few months ago We're at night. We're all just quiet in the boat and we're gonna we're gonna go up to this tributary to explore it And and I had I had a group of tourists with me and this girl was sitting on the front and all of a sudden I feel something go past me. There's something and all of a sudden I got I got wet and all of a sudden I hear But bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang in the boat. What the fuck is going on? Turn on my headlamp and there's a paco in the boat And the girl that was sitting on the front her head is bleeding One of those huge ass paco's jumped out of the river in the night hit this girl in the head and then fell into the boat Whoa, and so we just grab yeah, we just ate it But I mean that paco was in the middle of the Amazon at night just jumping around enjoying itself and it just jumped in the wrong boat Wow wow Two-foot fish flying through the air and that's your favorite that's your favorite thing to eat absolutely that Alts is really good. These There's these little cup mushrooms that are really good you fry them up with garlic you do that in paco That's that's now you're talking good. My friend Roy is a chef. He's he's really He's one of the jungle key. He's the president of jungle keepers right now He's local guy and he's he focuses on Amazonian cuisine and so he goes and he picks all the right flowers and funguses And he'll take paco and then he'll he'll flavor it with a type of orchid thing and like All of a sudden you have this amazing food and like lema they have you know Prus become this amazing place for food prude prude prude great food Wow, he does the jungle version. Wow, so it's not like nasty monkey soup. It's not turtle It's the it's the curated, you know five star version of jungle cuisine. So that's number one Paco's number one hundred percent. I mean right now I think I tried alligator ones, but it didn't leave an impression on me. I haven't really I also I feel like they're my friends Really yeah How so I like them Just because they're cool. Well, I mean I work with them a lot I'm always catching came and I always see them on the side of the river You know nobody's serving me if they were serving me came in then it would be just like the monkey where it's like I got to eat it, but right nobody's serving me came in so I'm not gonna a staple of their diet No in the in the north in the kitos they eat a lot more came in so you don't see came in On our river there still there's a came in on every beach. There's there's jabby roofstorks There's cacoy herons is just macauses everywhere. It's just there's just so much life. It's avatars Just just pulsing life Wow, did you find the video of a day betel? No It's weirdly is like not online. I found a picture of the episode but not a video of it. Yeah And they're just Shoot new trio. Yeah, I think they eat them too, but I can't find it Yeah And he was actually on the episode just yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a long time ago This is back when day was drinking so this is like days been sober for I want to say 15 years at least Somewhere in that range. Yeah, and this is back when you know, he would just drink at the comedy club Then stay up all night smoke cigarette drink coffee never end. Yeah, I mean, he's the most unhealthy and also the most hilarious guy alive You've stopped drinking right I drink a little every now and then now I went like eight months with no drinking and I started having like glass wine with dinner. Yeah, and a cocktail or two But I have not had more than like two drinks in a night So it feels good doesn't it? It was the it was a good break. Yeah, the eight months I felt really good. I was convinced I was never gonna drink again And then I drank a glass of wine. I was like well, I like this. I missed this with the one that that's the one thing the line is Why would a steak oh Yeah, a little I think it was important to just recognize that I was doing it And it wasn't an alcoholic. I was just I have a club. Yeah, I'm there all the time and you know, you're out with friends. You want to drink? Yeah, sure Let's have a drink. Yeah, go to dinner have a drink have another drink It just got to a point where I was like I feel like and I'm too healthy I work out all the time and I was like why am I doing this to myself? Yeah, you know, but now I realize you know It's a little moderation some bad but drinking is essentially fun poison fun poison. It's weird after um Lex ruin drinking for me Lex get saucy. Well, this is the thing where he came when he came to the am when he came to the Amazon He he goes. I want to do ayahuasca and so we called it, you know JJ's oldest brother is 70 something we called this shamanin and he's like, you know, with the Lex voice He's like brother you have to do this with me and I was like I am not drinking ayahuasca There's a chapter in the book about when I did it with the old master and he He he overboiled it and we all like saw God and you know, we were there for the big bang. It was awful There's hard no it was no no no, I was like taking a mega dose. It was like Sure, it was off. It was tremendous. You don't like to get scared. I was terrified man No, so it's like I have retired as I'm not doing it and Lex was walking around in circles for two hours And it comes up to me and he puts his hand on my shoulder and he goes I came all the way here for you He goes now you do this for me. He goes don't leave me alone in the dark And I went God. I said all right. I'll do it We drank right next to each other and the guy's smoking his pipe and you know He's the feathers on and he's singing to us and you're drinking and you're going deeper deeper into the hole and God It was interesting though. We both The shaman said that You know, he was talking about what Lex was going afterwards He was talking about what Lex was going through on his journey and he goes in and does this deep work of the things he sees coming off of you And this is a guy the shaman I've known for 20 years. He's like my uncle And and so he would come up to me and he'd go I'd be laying down you can't you can't get up and he'd come up to me and he'd go One more cup and I'd be like Sure like And he'd like give me like a kiss on the forehead and throw it down my throat And then he'd go to Lex and go one more cup and Lex would be like yes And then you know, he'd give it to Lex and he said that he said that he wasn't worried about my spirit He said I was I was there to protect Lex and he said Lex was there to to do some real work And so what's interesting is that we both reached this sort of um, we both reached the pinnacle of of what was happening at the same time where I felt myself about I felt it coming I was like oh no, I'm gonna throw up and I'll have a sudden my my consciousness lifted six feet above my body And I was looking down at me and Lex and I got this overwhelmingly calm sensation and it without speaking the shaman said to me He said you're not gonna feel this. I know you don't like it He said you're just here to support him so you can vomit now And so Lex started vomiting and I started vomiting but I was watching myself and I was watching him and I was just like this is fine It doesn't hurt a bit and it was very very comforting and then he came and he started with the you know shaking the leaves and singing louder and and really cultivating making sure we gave everything that we purged all of it And then and then he brought the crescendo down And then he he he calmed and then he began singing and then we we we we settled back into the the the symphonic Thrab of the night and then the trip went on for some time But it was it was interesting that things heightened at that moment and that we went through it together Wow, so why did he think that you were there to protect Lex? It's just like something he felt That's what he said to me um You know and then and then and then you know It's very interesting watching Lex go through his journey because he by the end of it he just got happier and happier He just he just liked it more and more around around I think cup six I tapped after the after the vomiting after that thing It was sort of again. There's there's energies floating around and he's singing it's great You know understanding a little bit of the language because you know He's singing to his grandfather. He's singing to the spirit of Santiago and the spirit of the anaconda and using the old words for them You know not even saying anaconda. He's he's saying the other things. I'm Aromayo and you know He's saying Shua Wakko and he's talking about the so he's doing this and shaking his thing and you hear the frogs the robbing and it's all moving through your skin And so I yeah, I tapped out after while Alex kept going. He's got an amazing constitution. I think that's the Russian thing But since then I can't drink really I can't drink I could have a cup of wine maybe if I have more than that I feel sick Like I feel damaged. I have not been able to drink. I haven't had a beer since since two years ago So what do you think it is? It just like let you know what it's doing to you? I have no idea It's just a weird side effect. I keep trying it. I'll like I used to love whiskey. I like I'll like smell some whiskey and I'm like Like really so we cracked the bottle right now you turned off I You would it would make just I mean I could take a sip of it But my body would be like no red light red light. No. Yeah. Well, that's your body's correct. Yeah, but it made me suit Maybe high high-percentive I noticed from that moment onwards. Did it have the effect with Lex? No, I don't think so He's still booze it. I don't think so. Let's go hard We went to Andrew Schultz's wedding with Lex. Yeah, and then we had a flow We flew with Whitney Cummings was doing a gig in Vegas And we said we'll go with you. So it was me my wife and Whitney and Lex we flew to Vegas And we hung out with David Goggins. I called him on the comedic at the hotel. Is he party? No, no him and Lex were doing push-ups. They were doing drunk Lex was drunk and David wasn't and Lex wanted to have a push-up competition with Goggins. That's amazing. I mean, but that's why he's Lex right? Because he's because he's willing to try everything. Yeah, oh, he's normal. I mean the fact that Push-up competition with David Goggins. It's silly. That's hysterical. He's quite a character that Lex He told me he's going to Dagestan to train He's gonna go to Dagestan and train with like Kabebes team. Yeah Good Lord. Yeah, good Lord. You're like 42. What how old is he? Lex got to be in his 40s. But early 40s. I think he's still very young Yeah, but like you're gonna go there and train with the Havages. How old is Kabebes? Well Kabebes retired, but he's probably 35 if I had a guess You know somewhere around there. Yeah, you know But it's a different thing. He's the let's talk now. Yeah, let's talk now He's training those guys now. He's training, you know, Islamakachev and Umar and numar Gabbat off He's trained some of the best guys alive So he's running a camp down Dagestan because he's kind of like so so did he it seemed like At least I don't like I wasn't really following his career, but it seemed like he came in like an assassin. Mm-hmm Did some big stuff Was dad died. Okay, his dad died during COVID. Okay, and After his dad died, he promised his mother that he was gonna stop fighting Got it. Yeah, his dad was his trainer, you know, his dad His dad was a legendary Legendary trainer and trained Islam trained Kabebes and When he died Kabebes made a promise to his mother He fought Justin Kechi beat him defended his title and that was it done But I mean he's he's very well regarded now for oh his accomplishments in fighting right one of the grace of all time Yeah, I mean, there's an argument of who the greatest of all time is it's very subjective Sure, but he's certainly in the conversation. Yeah You know of his one of I don't think there is a it may be John Jones is the greatest of all time Just based on his accomplishments and also undefeated but also the time that he's been to me John one world title at 23 and Is still like up until he he relinquished his heavyweight title recently um He's 36 37 now no one's beating him Crazy and no one's out of run like that. No one's out of run like that. That's insane. How big is it how big is he? John's a heavyweight. Yeah, geez John I think a six three or six four You know, and now he's about 240-ish, but he used to fight at 205. That was his main weight class That's some crazy Yeah, and so you know the conversation of who is the greatest of all time in my my book mighty mouse is in that conversation too Mighty mouse mighty mouse to meetries Johnson. Okay flyweight the problem is he was a very small guy And so a lot of people disregard the smaller guys in that conversation, but skill wise Because of the expression of mixed martial arts excellence. I put mighty mouse in his prime right up there with everybody Do you think that now you your arms are significantly bigger than mine and I I feel like Like the guys who are good at striking have smaller arms my tights giant arms giant arms. There you go Yeah, that's just like you swinging around some weight like We use a lot more power behind it. Yeah, so when you do connect that's true It's it's conditioning, you know like the whole thing of swing It's like did you develop those arms just doing bicep curls? Yeah, or did you develop those arms doing functional things like constant Constant training that gives you muscle endurance Yeah, it all depends, but if you see like a big bulky bodybuilder guy. Yeah, that's not good No, I feel like our level where we're still athletic and stuff. I'm talking man I don't want I don't want to put on more. I want to get stronger, but I don't want to put on Yeah, I don't do really anything to try to put weight on yeah, I don't lift anything heavier than 70 pounds Just one. Yeah, they just want to look big. Yeah, I don't do anything like that I don't like I said the heaviest thing I lift is my body weight Yeah, I do a lot of body weight stuff. I do a lot of chin-ups and dips and sometimes I do it with a vest, you know and I do You know, but with kettlebells like the heavy occasionally I'll throw around a 90 pound kettlebell But the heaviest I really trained with 70. Yeah But that's plenty, but I don't like as I don't train for size. I just train for function strength and function Yeah, it has to to me it's silly if I don't have range of motion function like what am I doing? I don't yeah, I'm a martial artist like my whole thing is to being able to use my body Yeah, it's not to make it look like I can use it. I'd rather be smaller and and More functional than bigger and just look like a big goofy toad. Yeah, I I bulk too easily I actually actually try to put on it. I only do yeah, I mean, we're Italian Irish and come on We get thick. Yeah, you get thick quick. Yeah You got you got to watch the people a lot of thick people. Uh-huh. Uh-huh Um, can I take quick people? Yeah, yeah, we're right back ladies gentlemen You've been you've been murdering it like you've been having just tons and tons of you do them every day. I just keep I mean, it's not any different pace than before Yeah, it's usually four a week. It seems it's just I feel like I maybe it's because I'm in the jungle for a few weeks And then I'll like come back and and look and I'm like whoa Yeah, Johnny Knoxville Matt Damon and like Big bang bang bang the key is just keep going Yeah, you know like you've run a thousand miles right? But you didn't run a thousand miles in a day. Yeah, you're on 10 a day and then days go on Incredible though you get to meet everybody you meet a lot of people. Yeah, you definitely develop a better understanding of human beings Because you know, you're limited by the amount of human beings you interact with your scope your understanding of people Yeah, more you can talk to the more different people the more you get a different sense and Yeah, well, you're in a very you're in a very unique. I mean again, I always go back to the B lady Remember that though. Yeah, sure. Yeah, she's cool Yeah, and then you have people like Knoxville on and you guys are talking out or just heard you guys talking about You know when he gets when he got hit by the bull I was always wondering if that was real And then I remember the first time I came in here is asking you and Jamie has gone the one question with the David Blaine thing Because he had you I was I was going come on. They got it. That can't be nope. That was real. Yeah, I mean because I did it once I hit a nerve and he had to restart it right Yeah, maybe back out and shove it right through But it's not a trick, you know, it's just pain like I could do that if I wanted to do that I could do that I could shove a needle through my arm. How bad do you want it? I don't want to do that Yeah, I don't understand why I would do that and I feel like that's a little bit of what Knoxville was saying He was like look he's like I got a response and he's like this is what I started doing yeah, you know, and it's like One way or the other how you're gonna get the attention? I mean that's what brought him to the dance is just getting hurt all the time But when he told me he had been knocked unconscious 16 times And then the last one that's really bad and then the last one was the bull one that he landed on his head And he was depressed for months and had to get on medication I am Very averse to head injuries which is kind of hypocritical because I'm a Combat sports commentator, you know, it's weird and I've also been hitting the head a bunch of times But I just think it's really fucking bad for you overall. I stopped sparring When I was in my late 20s really yeah kickboxing sparring Yeah, and then I did it a little bit when I was supposed to fight Wesley Snipes. I went back to start sparring again Did you fight? Wesley Snipes was hysterical. It was him. I was in my mid 30s And it was like this is the last chance I get to do something like this. Yeah, and then I got contacted by Campbell McLaren who is one of the producers of the early UFC's like this is gonna sound crazy But uh Wesley's he was in tax problems. He wound up going to jail for a tax evasion Apparently he had some crazy guy who was telling him, you know, you don't have to pay taxes You know, there's there's those guys that are like what do they call them sovereign citizens? So would they call them? There's a lot of people that give really bad advice You know, and they got in with someone like Wesley Snipes. Uh-huh, and you know They tell you like they can't prosecute you It's not in the constitution and he believed it because he didn't have access to No, I never talked to Wesley. I don't know. I don't have anything against him. You sure he just wasn't scared of fighting you So he made up this whole story. No, I think Wesley also might have been embarking on a journey of cocaine. Oh Oh Which gives you a very distorted idea of what you can and can't do Everything. Yeah, you think you can do everything. I don't know if that's the case I think it might have been just well. He's a very legitimate martial artist. I mean Wesley if you look at his like skills like from the movie Blade and yeah, like he's a really good martial artist He knows how to fight. Yeah, you kind of have to be to do those movies. Yeah. Yeah Um, but my thought was just I'm gonna grab him and choke the life out of him like yeah Stop me. Yeah, like also I know how to stand up like I was a awesome. It was a kickboxer That would have been awesome if you could uh if you could fight one person dead or alive full fight I don't want to do that. I wouldn't eat no the problem with it It really no but theoretically not you as Joe Rogan the dad and like just Joe Rogan's ain't It would not be a one person would it would be start fighting again It would be fight whoever it was the whole thing would be competing But obviously I'm 58 that's never happened now. I'm saying like but like Wesley snipes Like you know, you say like oh, I had want to fight well, I just thought it would be an adventure Yeah, and I trained for like six months. I was training with Rob Cayman who's a what called legendary kickboxing a Dutch kickboxing champion So he was my kickboxing coach Yeah, and so I was training with him in the mornings and I was training Jiu Jitsu at night It was hard. It was really hard. I was doing it for six months. I was training twice a day for six months It was really brutal and I was so tired. I was tired all the time and that's where you got those leg kicks that you were teaching George St. Pierre No, I learned learned how to do that when I was kid now my question is now he's such a legendary I'm a mega like he was Did he not have well? I was a taekwondo specialist, you know, and I was Multiple time state champion taekwondo and I won a bunch of national tournaments And I was really good. I was really good at taekwondo like I had fought at a very high level and I have a lot of really good Instruction that I got from I got very lucky and I stumbled upon a school in Boston called the J-Hun Kim Taekwondo Institute Just randomly walked in the door one day and it turned out to be one of the best taekwondo schools in the world And so I had trained with some of the very best people in the world just by fortune And I was physically gifted was very lucky in a lot of ways a lot of natural power and I learned technique and you know Which is the most important thing like perfect technique and so When it was funny it was because of they came about because of John Donner her I had a conversation with John Donner her who's George's Jiu-Jitsu coach who's maybe the greatest martial arts coach in the world maybe of all time Really legitimately like a brilliant man. He was a philosophy major from Columbia who God I think he was a professor for a bit But then he got obsessed with Jiu-Jitsu And was just teaching Jiu-Jitsu and training Jiu-Jitsu and sleeping on the mats and like literally literally teaching all day Training all day and sleeping on the mats But but a brilliant man and we were having dinner one night and he's like George needs Some help with the finer points of the spinning back kick. Do you know anyone who can help him? And I said no this is gonna sound crazy I go but I have like the best spinning back kick you're ever gonna see in your fucking life I know I know it sounds crazy because of a comedian. I go find a bag. I could show you Yeah, I can show you what I could do and then I brought there's a video of me. Oh, I saw it. Okay The sound is imprinted in my mind George this is when we're at legends legends MMA in LA, which where I trained it was where Eddie Bravo had a 10th planet Jiu-Jitsu and You know, I go okay. Let's go downstairs to the more type part and I'll show you and then I kick the bag And he's like man And I filmed this mountain like it's he's filmed with a flip phone, which is crazy like that's how long go this was That's crazy. I was probably 2005 or something like that. I had hair and And it was it was funny. Yeah, it was like this thing. It's like because I don't do it It was it leaving back then it wasn't like I was training in kickbox. Yeah, I wasn't training in Taekwondo It was just I just it's just still had it in me. Yeah, yeah You still do still do you keep it today you do today? Yeah, nice. Yeah, that was an impressive video And you just go Jesus. He's he's if he's showing this to George the impure how good is he at this thing? It's like I used to be really good. Yeah, but I realized when I was like 21 well I realized when I was 19 that I was gonna have to stop Because I fought in California. I was living in Boston at times traveling all over the country and fighting And I fought in the nationals in California against this guy who is the Illinois State champion And I knocked him out really bad. It was really bad Hit him with a wheel kick in the head and my heel was sore for days afterwards Like I had a hard time walking From his fucking head. Yeah, and he never got up He he went down face first was snoring and back then my thing was If I knocked anybody out, I would just act like it was no big deal I'm just turn around walk away no celebration. I just walk away like that That's I'm gonna do that to all you guys. Yeah, and so I walked away and then I turned to my friend Junksek Who was my corner guy? I said is he getting up because like he's not getting up. He's not gonna get up He's out and and then they took him and they put him in a They they took him and they put him in a stretcher And then they were taking care of him and for like a half hour who's still unconscious Yeah, and then they took him to the hospital. I have no idea what happened to him But I realized it was so bad. It was because he came forward So what happened was he did you know what a switch kick is? No Switch kick is you're standing with your left leg forward and you switch legs and you come like with the left kick It's like he's repositioning in this he's moving forward Yeah telegraphed it and it's his left leg So I saw that his left leg was coming this way So I spun with my right heel and I hit him in the head as he was running forward So it's like multiple for the force itself of a wheel kick is so powerful And then when you're running into a wheel kick it's crazy like two cars driving it is like Getting hit with a baseball bat that fucking You know mark McGuire swinging. Yeah crazy. How much power there isn't it because it's your legs Your legs carry you around all day and the torque of your whole body your weapon around and and you're hitting with the heel And you you know, it's no padding on your heel and it's not right. I hit him right on the fucking cheek Right on the side of his head He went out and then I came back to my instructor and I and he wasn't there at the tournament I went back to Boston. He's like He goes I heard you had a really good knockout and I said yeah, I said I was it was scary. I go. I thought he was dead. He goes Sometimes they die and then he walked away from me. Mm-hmm. And I was like fuck man. Yeah, sometimes they die I'm like that's me. I'm like And I had no health insurance. I was 19. I was broke. I was training for the I wanted to be on the Olympic team Yeah, I was two years from there and I lost a lot of my steam at that moment Because I was like what am I doing? I'm fighting for free. Yeah, I don't have any money. I have no insurance And I'm doing this thing and I knew back then I was getting some brain damage for sure. Yeah um, and then I Then I started kickboxing like right after that and then I really kind of lost my feeling for Taikwondo because I really It was so limited You know that like when I was sparring with kickboxers. I was really I mean I got my hands are so limited So then I started working with this guy Joe Lake who is a boxing coach and that's when I was doing a lot of boxing and a lot of a lot of kickboxing And I was like man, I'm getting my brains beat in and I don't know why I'm doing this You know, I'm like there's no professional. It wasn't like the UFC existed at the time. Yeah I got offered a kickboxing fight for 500 bucks and I was like 500 bucks So for 500 bucks, I lose my amateur status. I can never fight the Olympics and there's no money in it as a professional I'm like, what is my future? Am I gonna be one of the and then I'm new guys in the gym that I used to train with like when I was 19 And then by the time I was like 21 I was seeing brain damage in these guys. Yeah, I was seeing them slur in their words Forgetting what they were saying repeating themselves the weird thing is they they'll tell you a story Yeah, and then the tight the same story. Yeah, like two minutes later And like you just fucking told me that story. They don't remember they don't remember anything and now but now You know George St. Pierre is a good example of someone. I feel like he made it out of fighting before yes Like he looks very healthy. He's fine. He's fine He's fine, but he's you know, he's a very intelligent guy He does also does a lot of things to keep his mind very active. He plays chess You know and he's very Like proactive about it. Yeah, but he seems like even like I've just seen him on social media where he's like Hey guys, this is how I do like he's just like a very oh yeah, it seems like a very positive fun You know does not seem he's the best case scenario for both another guy in the argument for the all-time great Yeah, uh for an all-time great MMA champion who has a successful and happy life outside of it Didn't end up with the nope the shakes nope No, he's fine. I mean, I've hung out with him a bunch. I hung out with him recently. Yeah, he was great We came to the comedy club. He's actually playing my friend James McCann They were playing chess in the green room at the comedy mother ship. It was so cool We're filming it the last time I came I think he had been in there the night before and I was like oh, I would have been that would have been a trip to meet him He's amazing. He's but he's such a sweetheart of a guy. You would never imagine that he's a fucking killer In some of the art to go on. Yeah, he's such a sweet guy But it's just like for him it was just this incredible challenge and he was really good at it and he just figured out a way to express himself that way and You know, it was a legend like I don't imagine that he was like big on like the trash talk before fun There's nothing right. He's probably just like look where he is gonna. No, there's no trash talk. It's very respectful The last someone was disrespectful to him and and you know and even then He wasn't trash talking. No, he always seemed like he was cool. Yeah, he's just doing his thing No, he was one of the best representatives of the sport of all time if not the best like never got into trouble outside the octagon Yeah, never you know was never drunk driving or beating people up and you know just a great guy And if I would have to tell people who he is like he would he's like who's your friend? I was like what do you think he does? Yeah, what do you think my friend does and like I don't know he seems cool. He's one of the He's about five Nine five ten maybe and now he probably weighs 180 pounds 185 pounds maybe thought it 170. Okay, he knows not like a scary looking person I'm like that's one of the greatest fighters. Yeah, it's ever walked the face of the earth Like no way. I'm like yeah, I mean, he's like hey, how you doing man? What's going on? He doesn't seem like jovial no, it's a sweet. No, he's not trying to intimidate like going, you know, Kavi looks like he's you know Really smart. Yeah, he's really he's always like watching documentaries and reading books. Yeah, he's fascinated by ancient history and Dinosaurs and really into aliens dinosaurs No, it's just crazy man. You've you've gotten to this you've you've met everyone. Do you ever have Jane good on here? No, I did not unfortunately. I wanted to make that happen. I wanted to make it gone right she just died I wanted to talk to her about Bigfoot because she was the events that Bigfoot was real What yeah, yeah, she was convinced that yeah, yeah, she did this interview She said she's sure of it. Yeah, yeah, we'll find it Jamie. She can find that I Not that I don't believe you, but I just don't find I mean good all I know. No, no, no I was stunned. I was like what and this is by the time I had been convinced that Bigfoot was fake Yeah, I'm in that camp, but I this is but this is the camp um There wasn't animal that the co-existed with human beings for sure That was called gigantic pithicus. Yes, you know the whole story. Yeah, so gigantic gigantic pithicus They found bones in an apothecary shop in China in the 19 20s or 30s and an anthropologist found these molars and said where did you get this? These are primate molars and they're fucking enormous. Yeah, like whatever this thing was was absolutely huge So they went to the site where they got it They found mandible bones that indicated was bipedal So it was an upright walking The walking primate that was eight to ten feet tall Like what the fuck is this and so I'm sure you've seen the images of what a gigantic pithicus look like in comparison to a human being Yeah, it's in the orangutan family and so that thing Existed and also existed in Asia, right? So you look at the bearing straight and you look at the bearing land bridge that we know existed during the ice age And so we know that Humans migrated from Siberia into North America. We know that for a fact You know one of the reasons we know that for a fact because Mormons were convinced that Native Americans were part of the lost tribe of Israel Yeah, so some rich Mormon guy did a DNA test on Native Americans and find out found out that they emanated from Siberia Yeah, and so it was incorrect So we know that humans came down from there. Why wouldn't Other animals sure we know they did we know short face bear a bunch of different animals They find their bones in Alaska and they know that they probably made their way down through North America It just stands It just makes logical sense that if you have a variety of different megafauna That probably one of those primates or a bunch of those primates lived in the Pacific Northwest Which is the area where they would be right and then you have incredibly dense forest, right? Yeah, so Jane good all won't rule out existence But no, no find the video where she says I'm convinced I'm convinced yeah, she was talking Oh, no, I come on Okay, just find it because it exists I can't listen to the videos no go go to video. I did she would have been awesome You should I'm so sad get you get all on how bigfoot might be real that's it right there put the headphones on what's it? Headphones Here we go I climbed into the hills oh there's Jane This was where I was meant to be I want to talk to you about something that Some would say it's fictional, but you would say hold up we we don't know for certain and that's big foot you You everybody talks to me, but I would I'm romantic. I would like bigfoot to exist I've met people who swear they've seen bigfoot and I think the interesting thing is every single continent There is an equivalent of bigfoot or Sasquatch this the Yeti this the Yari and Australia this the Chinese wild man and And on and on and on and you know, I've had stories from people who You have to believe them So there's something I don't know what it is. I've always opened minded What about other mythological creatures pause for a second. So there they're saying that to her He's saying that to her and she said that in reaction to a previous interview that she did the previous interview that she did She said I'm convinced that it exists I don't know well, you know, you got to realize this is a lady that lived with prime mates in yeah an inaccessible area yeah, where there's very few human beings and she had these interactions with them I don't agree with her, but I think that it existed at one point in time one of the other reasons why I think it exists is that different Native American tribes I'll put this into proplexity. How many different Native American terms were there for a hairy wild man or bigfoot and I believe there's more than 80 That's wild now. They don't have a lot of mythological creatures in Native American culture. Yeah, right? And so in in different tribes right, but they have a name for this hairy wild giant man that lives in the woods a wookie Yeah, they also have the other thing that's really fascinating is giants There is a lot of Ancient cultures have stories about giants and Native American tribes have ancient stories of giant red haired men Which you know god They're in the it's in the bible. It's in a bunch of okay 40 to 50 separate terms across different languages and regions hairy wild giant man No single agreed upon count But dozens of distinctive Native American names for hairy wild giant man beings easily over 40 to 50 separate terms across different languages and regions Interesting. I still I would love to see the clip eventually of jangol saying I believe in bigfoot because I'm saying that she's like I'm open to the idea of it She's saying that and as the reason why that's down in the back is because he had exactly seen that yeah He had seen the previous interview see if you can find another interview with her talking about bigfoot Um, she was she was awesome. You know she was awesome. Yeah, she's the reason I have a career really her being awesome I was it's two stories. I tell people if I go first of all because everyone goes what's your organ like? Yeah, no, it's true because everyone wants to know then you're controversial So my house goes the nicest fucking guy in the world I got like I said the first time I came and you sent me a message and you said something about like hey Don't worry about a thing like I'm even gonna bring my dog like you're you're very nice. It was a little pat on the back Because you go Jane Goodall I Went to a talk when I was like 22 something and I was just writing chapters of my first book mother or god Which didn't even have a name yet and I had chapters and a manila envelope and I went to a talk the goodall was giving And I mean I'd been read stories and seen the black and white pictures So this is like you know like Einstein the Abe Lincoln Jane Goodalls Living historical figure and so now she's talking in front of me and I had brought these chapters And I wanted to ask her because I'd already sent the chapters to publishers and they'd all been like kid None of this is true You know no way did you jump on a giant anaconda no way did you raise an anteater they just didn't believe me And then I when it was my turn after hundreds of people I get to her and you know she goes hello She goes it takes a little picture with you and I said would you read these chapters? I said I would love it because I loved your stories as a kid she goes thank you and she puts it to the side 48 hours later Her staff gets in touch and they go Jane actually read what you gave her Loved it and said finish the book get a publisher and I will write you an endorsement Wow She waved her magical wand in my direction And gave me a career That's so cool and what's really great is that earlier this year I emailed her And it was because this book was coming out and I I you know I said it would be amazing to have I mean I said at this point no one's you know the conservation The voice of mother earth And she just you know she's just she just said you know just keep protecting the Amazon That's that's your mission she was always very it was like you know Luke believe in yourself It was like you know she was just like you your job is to protect this forest and it was incredible That's amazing and so yeah right right me you know about six months ago I got to tell her I was like look because the last time I'd spoken to her we were protecting I think it was like a hundred thousand acres and then in the last year We added thirty thousand acres to the reserve and so I said you know we're making strides forward And she just it was good that I got to tell her that and then and then uh You know recently we found out that that she died, but what a legacy what a legacy what a legacy Yeah, I mean we know so much about primate behavior because of that woman we sent us so much about I mean Man the toolmaker before her we said There was humans that used tools And now we know that you know capuch and monkeys use rocks. We know that otters use rocks I mean I've seen elephants use a stick to scratch See I've seen I've seen camera chap put her to an elephant using a a treat a knock over an electrical fence Like animals use tools. Oh, she was the first one I mean she went out there when she was what 20 something years old middle Africa long girl Crazy and then spent the whole rest of her life But the lesson that I take away from that is that even as famous as she was That she was traveling 300 days a year. I mean she'd been you know An icon for decades and that she still took the time To actually read something that some kid handed to her To that's un unfathomable grace yeah to do that and then literally if that didn't happen I never would have published mother of god. I never would have Started jungle keepers. I never would have been protecting the rainforest. She she she empowered that She did that with her magic. It was and I think that that's incredible. That's so cool. Absolutely incredible. Did you find any other? no A guarantee it exists But it's okay. You have to trust me I don't think she's correct, but I do think Not bigfoot, but I do think that it's entirely possible that there is a small hairy primate like Human like primate that exists still that's like the high the hobbit people from the island of flores Yeah, you know there's some there's the thing called the orang pandec. Have you heard of that? No the orang pandec I think Indonesia perhaps Vietnam there's a bunch of places that have this creature that gets cited on multiple occasions and They used to think of it as like just silly legend but now because of the discovery which was Was it in the 90s that they discovered the hobbit people in the island of flores? You know about that right? I've heard of them. Yeah, yeah, oh, no. Those are real the answers. Yeah, those are real. We have their bones Very real very real. It was a very small Like hobbit like creature. Yeah, that was a type of primate that was bipedal That was like a little tiny hairy human being that lived at least on the island of flores but most likely lived in many other places as well and There's there's a possibility that it still exists and it's not me saying this It's like some actual anthropologists that believe that this thing might still be alive Because you're dealing with incredibly small populations, but are those I mean are those islands so small that know it like unlike the Islands that small like how could their Incredibly dense incredibly dense forest and no one's going out of the bushes Right, it's like the Tasmanian time. I was just gonna say that like the thylacene where it's like they're just they're just Exactly exactly small population like there's a lot of sightings of the thylacene You know, yeah, but somehow all these sightings. It's never on a it's never clear. No, no Well, it's also there's no one there. Yeah, here's the thing. I mean, let's pretend that you saw Wolverine in the Montana woods like Full woods and it's a hundred yards away. You see it briefly for a second get your phone You're not gonna you might have seen it you might have seen it travel on trees But like how are you gonna get it off your phone now? You're gonna have to unless you have a Samsung We have a really good zoom. Yeah, you're not gonna be able to zoom in enough. Yeah, you know, like you have to have like Two phones that are yeah, you're not gonna get good footage But we know that Wolverines are real, but finding a Wolverine in the woods. I've talked to God I've talked to hundreds of men who spend a giant portion of their life in the woods and only a few have seen Wolverines I would love to see a lot of our mountain lines. They're everywhere. I've only seen three of them in my entire life That's why but I've probably been around a hundred of them and not knowing it You know, that's what that's the reaction we got with the the tribes was that if you look at uncontacted trip my whole life You look at photos of uncontacted tribes It was like blurry Crafty because who was out there like a logger right or it was somebody running Right and even when I saw them the first time when I was out on a solos 10 days deep in the jungle I saw them and I ran for my life and everyone went You didn't see him. I mean, I'm a I don't mind that if I have picks or it didn't happen right right Um, and so with this when we started We started actually showing people what we had it was like this has never been it's like it's like a vision into the Into the Stone Age right? I mean the I mean like really not even the Stone Age like they're not even the Stone Age These are sharp and sticks yeah, I showed it to an anthropologist and he was saying you know Stone Age Isn't necessarily accurate here. He said because they're not using stone. They don't have clay pots He goes. This is something this is but I mean It then think about it's actually like a time machine because you're you're you're I mean we were standing across the river Look talking to these people and it's like you guys are A couple thousand years back And so it's like this is such a strange aperture into history. Maybe not even a couple maybe like 30 40 maybe I feel like I feel like the I feel like Somehow to me the number seems like to but it's like you know we were two we were like little tribes yeah, but two thousand years ago The Egyptian pyramids were already 2500 years old that's true. That's true But I mean again the civilization isn't homogeneous right like different of course, you know Obviously, there's uncontacted tribes still right now. Yes. That's what's crazy. Yeah, it's like a man with a cell phone From the future. Yeah, filmed people that's what I'm saying. I felt like that. It felt like this was like a back to the future moment Where it's like you know, this is they have no idea and and my people thinking of everyone else back home I was like don't realize That these people are still out there in the jungle living like this right and probably in the dense dense dense forest Probably many more of them there are many more of them in fact Well, yeah, well, we were watching them out front there was a terrifying moment where the we heard something behind us And it was which we never saw them But the women came lightfoot in behind and they pulled up all the yuka and the bananas and they were rating And so for a second we were like there's an ambush and everyone was like turning the shotguns away from the river And they were like we thought there was going to be arrows flying so like My guy agnacio grabs me and like put me down and we were hiding behind trees waiting for it And it was like no no no they're just stealing all of the fruit and all of the crops And they just rated our our whole village Wow, but I really I really did feel like you know like you you go imagine what it would be like to go back and see the Commanjis Watch them right now cross the plains after the buffalo and it's like we can't but in this case They were right there right Right and now and now now That these videos are going out across the world. It's like look we're trying to explain to people You know first of all there's a lot of those you know you know exactly what kind of great people They're like leave them alone and it's like literally where the people trying to make sure that they get left alone Like that's our day. Yeah, you got ignore those folks. Yeah, especially you Yeah, you're not the type of person that's interfering with their life at all. No They can't give them the bananas. You're helping you're literally helping them Well, and again, I was a witness right that was happening between the tribes and the tribes right right And so and so but but you know for all the all the indigenous cultures that have been destroyed in in the last few centuries We can we can do it right for once We can actually respect these people if they want to come out they can come out if they want to adapt they can But they need to have forest to live in right in order to make that decision right and so that's where it's like Make an informed decision. How could they had how can they adapt? I mean, well, I think it would be very slow It's so crazy. I think it'd be slow. I think it'd be a few more banana exchanges Maybe without the the arrow shot afterwards and then maybe it starts to be like okay you guys can come here Maybe maybe maybe the the communities teach them how to grow bananas right? They don't want to come but they want a few things right, you know Maybe they want a couple of machetes because it'll just help. Uh-huh You know, and they want to keep to themselves maybe but I mean other than them the the thought of the most Uncontact people is north-sensitant island Yeah, and north-sensitant island that the interesting part of that is one of the reasons why they're so distraught Trustful people is because they had been contacted in the 1800s bad. Yeah, by a fucking pervert There was a guy named commander Maurice Vidal Portman who was a Like explore slash pervert and the reason why I say that is like job title This guy had like weird Journal logs where it was like this one has testicles the size of a sparrow's egg Like you dress them up like Roman soldiers and take pictures of them They kidnapped a few of them and then they gave a bunch of people to flew and a bunch of people died And so they had this immense distrust for people because of this guy and his explorations onto that island That island and other islands like it. Yeah, so they they don't have a written language, right? These people there's no evidence they have fire. So there's this story of these because that you know It's incredibly wet environment. Yeah, so they they have the stories that they probably have these oral traditions Of these white people that come and fuck up everything. Yep. So when someone shows up on a boat Like there's been a few instances where people were killed I just killed a few years back. Yeah, but not just him There there's a boat that sank there so wash the shorn sank and They were headed to go kill those people when they were rescued and now we've spotted them We people have spotted them with metal and they believe the metal they got was salvaged from the boats Yeah, so they got peace in that all and yeah, so this this is the boat that that shipwrecked In 1981 a cargo ship named the primbrose ran a ground on the coral reefs surrounding Norsentino The crew radioed for assistance and settled for a long wait But in the morning they saw 50 men with bows on the beach building make shift boats to swim out to them and fuck them up Yeah, I mean they have a severe distrust obviously You know people so I was on the undemon islands, which is right next to these that guy respectable lawyer on Twitter He's the one I got the information from he documented the whole story of if you scroll all the way up He'll talk about that guy Maurice Bidalport see look at look at he dressed. That's the guy. Yeah, so that fucking creep And look at him. He looks like a perfect. So he's hanging out with these guys known. He was a pervert. Look at him Look at him. He's dressed. They probably want to test it. I probably didn't want to profile. Yeah, so that's the dude Yeah, he's from the English Royal Navy. Yeah, Portman Maurice Bidal Portman Yeah Dude those guys look good. These guys fucking thrown those guys be doing some sit-ups. Well, they're out there hustling You know, I went to the undemon islands, which is right out there That's where the he originally left. Yeah, and if you want to feel like you fell off the face of the earth You go to the undemon islands first of all beautiful You can only I think if you still like this you can only get there from the Indian city of Chennai or Calcutta Because it's an Indian territory. They don't they limit who can travel there and there's I mean There's they've brought elephants there because they didn't used to have bulldozers and stuff so the British brought elephants by boat and there's these old archival footage Photos of them lifting off of like pirate ships lifting elephants on the rigging and then putting them and the island now the undemon islands have elephants And there's still people riding around on the elephants, you know like moving trees off the road and doing things But when you go from one place to the other place exactly what you said because they don't want human safaris because they want to protect these indigenous people You have to go with a police escort to cross the island Because you have to go through an undemon the police watch you like a hawk and I you know, I take a picture of everything I take 300 pictures a day on my phone and No, see if you can see elephants being lifted off of ships. It's There's a bunch of pictures here that are crazy. They're pulling logs. I mean, but this is this is you know Elephants moving logs happens all the time But there's literally a picture of the elephants up on the rigging. Wow and But man you drive through areas where there's just these tiny little people with bows and arrows and they're still out there I I got to go swimming with an elephant there. Yeah, wow That's so dope. Look at the elephant swimming. How cool is that? Yeah Wow, that's fucking awesome. There you go That's not lifting the elephant. What the fuck am I doing in the air? Yeah, look at that. That's the blindfold. No, he's not blindfolded. I mean, he's painted you know, they probably should have Yeah, probably maybe the elephant would freak out Elf is boy it takes so much for an elephant to freak out and fucking kill people There's a horrible video of this guy's abusing an elephant like he's a trainer and he's like keeps walking the elephant That's enough. Yep, and just stomps him into a pancake. Yeah, or that video I sent you with the tiger that go into the tiger Which one where the tiger malls the guy and you're like that's terrible He kills him and then the second shot is they show the guy and he's still alive But he's got slashes down to his skull Just just don't just I mean these animals are You just don't push him. Yeah, especially not an elephant well human beings just want to fuck with everything That's part of why we're on every fucking square inch of the earth practically We want to fuck with everything You know, it's we're the weirdest animal ever because we're on every fucking continent. We're everywhere There's not another animal like us. No, no, no And you know all of us came from Africa, which is even nuttier right? So we emanated from Africa and just spread out all over the world. Yeah as soon as we figured out how to float How to float at a high you cannot wear warm clothes. We just kept moving and now we Gonna figure out how to not destroy the systems that keep us alive Right, and now we're talking about doing the same thing on other planets We're talking about it, but way before we start worrying about other planets I want to make sure that this plan I mean, I'm just I'm so Every I'm just I'm it drives me crazy how quickly everyone's going I just in the in the when I come back to society so quickly we're like it's on people's minds They're talking about this stuff I'm going guys the ocean is filled with trash like the Amazon is burning. I'm like can we just Fix this in this area is where we have I mean you know this like they brought bowls back to Yellowstone Like New York's waters are getting cleaner the humpbacks are coming back But but everyone's so I mean, but we haven't actually like when we get to Mars Talk about it all day But it's like until then right. I just feel like we are so overwhelmed with serious Problems here and the last chance in history to fix those problems So there's an amazing opportunity and I feel like people are so like this this modern nothingness that people feel where it's like oh It's the end of times and it's like this is the most exciting time You can fly everywhere you got information at your fingertips There's more people than ever before working to make good in the world to help people to save animals to restore ecosystems And it's like so I get confused when I come back from what's up? What I feel is like battle And I'm on this mission for 20 years to do this one thing and people Like I'm just scrambled and delirious and I'm like go outside Yeah, get up your phone. Put your phone down go to the mountains I John Muir thing. I'm you know I to the mountains the mountains are calling and I must go like go Yeah, go touch grass for a while actually that was one of the favorite I forget what I I posted a video of me with this huge anaconda around me and I'm holding her head as a 20 foot anaconda One of the comments is this guy. He was like dude. You've touched enough grass go back inside Let's go watch Netflix. Yeah, it's like that's enough Yeah, obviously you've got to far You've got to find interesting you like free will Well, it's fascinating to me when people were trying to save things and by saving things They don't realize that they're actually fucking things that far worse than what I'm well There's a good example I think it's the majave desert where they just now California and other infinite wisdom decided to build this immense solar Farm out in the desert. I saved it. I'll send it to you. It is so crazy So they decided to build this immense solar farm. It turns out this solar farm Because it's got mirrors that like point towards the solar panel. So it's incinerating 6,000 birds a year incinerating 6,000 birds a fucking year which is like what does that even mean like how how is that even so it's a death ray a fucking death ray God, I know I saved it. Where did I save it? Oh, you got it? I mean, I don't know which article you got Uh, it's okay Pull up any any of the articles, but I mean that when you look at it it's it heats up to a thousand fucking degrees The majave desert yeah, well they just shut it down. So it's concentrated sunlight solar power towers Use mirrors to focus sunlight on to receiver creating extremely high temperature The problem is they're fucking killing birds like a motherfucker just like those Oh glee windmill farms. Yeah, those things are I polite on the face of the earth when you drive to south Texas Buddy my house a ranch down there solar Look at that majave desert solar plant kill 6,000 birds a year. I think that that's in 2016 They just recently shut it down They've spent billions on this fucking thing and it's not generating nearly a amount of solar power that they were hoping It turns birds into fucking fireballs But when you drive down to south Texas they have these that's what it looks like. Isn't that crazy? Oh, he's not nuts. Yeah, we got to stop spreading out. We're so stupid. We got to stop But that's like who said that's a good idea and counter-intuitively Nuclear power is like the best for the environment. Yeah, which is people think no three mile island No, they got to know what they just call it something else if you just if you just rebrand it They just have to realize that the old like the Fukushima plants and that they fucked the whole area up forever Those are old. That's a plant that I think went live in the 1970s like you know the new technology You can have solar power and it's or excuse me nuclear power and it's clean But I think people are scared of the word nuclear. I'm saying if you came out and you called it like something something plant They got to get over it. We got to get over that that hump, you know, but that's uh it's just Human beings but this is constant battle right? There's a battle of good and evil. Yes, there is and there's also a battle of Ignorance and and information And it goes back and forth and the only way to educate people is Sometimes you have these brave people that are responding to this intense amount of ignorance And they they have to go out there and say no, that's not it. It's this and there this is huge societal narrative The huge cultural narrative that they have to fight against because it's almost impossible to undo I mean when you realize there's something that everybody has wrong right or you realize that there's something I mean the amount because then you got to you got to you got to get the message to everybody right how do you do that right then you got to make him care about it Right, and I mean it's just it's it's wild to but that's us that's the battle There's always this like I think you need those things in order for us to push progress You need something to fight against like think about where you would be if you didn't have this thing to push against Like there's it's not that the thing is good But it is bad, but it creates good people that push against it And this is the constant battle of the human spirit We're always engaged in this This battle to write wrongs and to figure things out and to make things better that are bad And then to realize that oh we're making it way worse someone has to come along and and course correct Yeah, and then you know, it's usually a few brave people that are pushing back against This tidal wave of negativity and ignorance The tidal wave of negativity is wild the the the grief is is just it's like they're it's like a poison Peddled by the darkness. It's like they want you sad and disoriented and I just feel like so many people now and I come back They're they're they're downtrodden by the just just the buzz of the news and yeah, and I'm like listen like choose something Yeah, that you care about and work on it. Yeah, you're or just pick that one Be the good you want to see in the world be the good you want to see in the world And it's like I'm I'm in this unique position because I'm contacted now all day long By people that want to help us protect the rainforest that people who are want to use that blueprint to do it somewhere else And we're on the cusp of doing the submissime so I'm surrounded by I get I get a lot of positive people with innovations people with ideas people I mean even you know everyone says oh, why can't the billionaires? We get people who have money and they come in and they're like I'll help you get that piece of land That'll be protected. Yeah, I get I get reinforced all the time people go the world's going to shit and I'm like the world's amazing People are helping yeah, you know, and it's like I have seen so much good done It really is all what you're focusing on if you're focusing on that that's the very thing unique thing about today is that you're inundated with so much information and we generally tend to gravitate towards the things that are Terrifying and the things that are dangerous that scare us and so you're paying attention to the news of Literally eight billion people, which is not natural. It's not normal We're supposed to know about our village and maybe the next village right and so like that's one You know I had a friend what you know, did you hear about the flood that happened in Bangladesh? I was like what do you know My sympathy, but like there's there's always a flood habit the world is gigantic. There's eight billion people right and so like You know, there's only so much you can pay attention to but if you have a phone All the bad stuff is coming into your pocket Yeah, and I think a lot of the it's funny because a lot of the people like the adults are People are worried about the kids. I think the adults are worse. Yeah a lot of them. Yeah, and a lot of them They're searching for meaning and so they find meaning in activism or in pseudo activism and yelling about things online and then maybe going out into the street and screaming of people and They think that that gives meaning to their life, you know, there's a lot of people that just feel like really lost and this Strange Concrete culture concrete and electronic culture that we've created it doesn't give you the fulfillment that the natural world does I mean, I'm sure It's one of the Draws that you have to the jungle is that living out there in nature Is wildly fulfilling because it's normal. It's like it it fills in all the slots that you have Evolved to have like as a human being We have always lived in coordination with nature up until fairly recently You know if human beings have been alive in this form for half a million years How long have we been in cities in cities? All we've been in even agriculture a few thousand years Temperature controlled yeah, it's crazy with a little noise box constantly stressing us out. Also, why fine Yeah, I'm have signals. I was just reading this fucking crazy thing. Have you paid attention to this Jamie about the 49ers? About San Francisco is that fucking nuts? They They think it's real that so there's a disproportionate amount of severe catastrophic injuries that come out of San Francisco and their training facility is right outside this power station. Oh, yeah Yeah, I mean way more Achilles tendon blows at blows blown out way more knees blown out way more like catastrophic ligament and ten tendon ruptures Like and they've been talking about it since like When the players started talking about it like 2012 I believe and people like oh, that's nonsense And now the stats are in and you're looking at the amount of injuries that come from this area It's like it's not normal. No, and so you think what if they're getting weakened by the water by the electricity electricity Yeah, by the EMF signal It's I mean it's like EMF signals we know disrupt human beings But to what extent like to what extent does led lights and to what extent? Well, it's is it minimal do you feel it is it not is it is it does it have a long-term effect is take forever until it actually compounds But they they're looking at the data from this one training facility so you could find something on it There's a lot a lot of stories have come out this week about it Where people are starting to gather up all the data and they're like hey, this is not normal Like this is a like a much higher percentage of severe injuries from this one camp Which doesn't make any sense? It's like the Aaron Brockovich thing where it's like you find a place where a lot of people are getting the same kind of cancer and it's like there's a reason So what does it say here at the top of the article? What's the the article so just about it? It's about the whole thing explains so is it true? What is this from how long ago was this? Two weeks ago. Yes two days ago. Okay The injury conspiracy theory and is it true? So um What what is this art this is us a today? You know, just skip the head so that The so-called mechanisms have been established many the experiments are contradictory Many the experiments of exposures to either don't relate specifically to 50 60 hertz magnetic fields um It's a topic that will likely resurface or any major injuries during the super bowl Levi Stadium February 8th in Santa Clara. Is Santa Clara near there? That's where that play the game. That's where they play the game But is that the training facility the the idea is that it's near the training facility right and I don't that's again This is so that's where the electrical substation is and there's the field. I mean cut this shit Whoa, that's that can't be literally radiating on to them. That can't be good But I don't think it's gonna affect the game You know, I'm saying I think it's like being there all the time practicing there all the time. Yeah Is what's gonna weaken their body without checking? I didn't know I don't unless that's where they practice I don't see a large practice Well, look at the fucking multi-use field. I know they don't practice on those fields generally But they use the fields. I mean they must practice there. It could be it could just be a park That's why I got to look up where they practice right right right right The early Rams don't practice next to so-fi um, I mean, I don't imagine it's good for you I mean, there's also okay, we'll find this out. Is there any truth to um power lines and people living under power lines having increased rates of cancer? Because I've heard that that's true Yeah, I mean in environmental college that was there's numerous giant class action lawsuits for people that We're living under high-tension power lines And I mean, I actually I knew someone who I mean, I've been to the places where I did for my senior project I was doing Where we went to the areas where they were fracking Remember that remember that documentary where they were light in the world. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah Gasoline. Yeah, great documentaries. Yeah, and those people were screaming They're trying to get the attention to say this is not good And of course the companies come in and they go will give you two million dollars if we you let us drill on your land And these are people that could need the money right and then a few years later They're all of their kids have cancer pull that back up again, please So we put it into our sponsor perplexity There's some limited evidence a small increase in childhood leukemia risk Very close high voltage power lines, but overall the lick is weak Not clearly causal and typically residential exposures are considered within safety guidelines So the thing is it's like who is One of the things about perplexity or any large language model is you've got to get the information from online And who's publishing this information? So it's like there's only so much of it That's available, but possibly carcinogenic is a weak category So parcel so it says international agency for research and cancer classifies extremely Low frequency magnetic fields like those from power lines as possibly carcinogenic to humans Mainly because of the childhood leukemia data Fuck that dude, that's wild Yeah, just fuck that I would never buy a house near them. What are you looking for? I'm just I just realized it's a molar. Yeah, yeah, just really from buddy John Reese from Alaska. That's that guy Yeah, yeah, that's incredible No, this one is from colossal so that's a this is a company that's uh Yeah, bringing the William Ameth back. Yeah, yeah, those guys um this piece is from my buddy John Reese That's a more a more that's cool. Yeah, that's a two that's That's how many of them they have that they can turn that they're just starting and making it into art. Yeah Yeah, yeah, so I'll pull you that has bully Bammoth Iverian it dude look at that Look at that. No, that's nuts and that is so beautiful. You something 10,000 years ago use that to mash down vegetables That that is a gorgeous piece of that you know about the bone yard right? Yeah, no you Yeah, the first time you told me all about incredible place. Shout out to my boy John Reeves. Yeah, that that I would love to go there Oh, you should do it's pretty incredible fascinating. Yeah, the colossal guys have been up there Yeah, quite a few people have been up there to explore. I think Either grant when no Randall did Randall cross and go up there. I think he's either gone there or is going there Yeah, you got to make the intro for me. I would 100% love to go. Yeah. Yeah. I'll set that up He's always trying to get me to go out there too. I just don't have the time But uh, what a phenomenal play by the way. He's found a new site. He's found a new site up there that has more bones Yeah, I mean, it's he's you're talking about an area that's only about four to six acres. Yeah, that he's been exploring Other deposits, right? It's like massive deposit thousands of animals. Yeah, including animals that weren't even supposed to be there Yeah, that's so cool Crazy and a thick layer of carbon. Yeah, it indicates that fucking place was on fire. Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, I mean that when you find fossils in the was nothing like finding fossils I remember the first time I found like a little shell and then like I said we not that long ago We found like a seven foot turtle shell thick thick thick like black fossilized Mm-hmm in the river basin in the Amazon the river was especially low and it was just you know It was half out like a crashed alien spaceship like it was just this huge thing And it was like you get this sense you get that that tactile visceral sense of like whoa These used to be here. You know what they found a china recently. What they found they found dinosaur eggs that the inside of them is all crystals now Oh It's crystallized is it the crystallized baby velociraptor? No, it's just basically all crystals just crystals like a geo Yeah, but it's a dinosaur egg It's just over millions and billions of years. It's probably making art out of that right now I don't know what they're doing with it. Yeah, I think it's fairly recent that this discovery At least the article that I read was fairly recent About it, but it's just crazy Oh, it's almost cool shit in the world around such a cool planet So here it is 70 million year old dinosaur egg contains surprising a sparkling crystal surprise And that nuts Turned into crystals Great fruit size dinosaur egg from a fossil bed in China gave paleontologist huge surprise rather than a dinosaur embryo or sediment It was filled with sparkling crystals of calcite lining the inner shell a natural dinosaur geode Rare occurrence provides researches with unique information on the structure of the shell in this case I never before seen O species OOS Double O species species of egg named oh boy good luck pronouncing that Identifying 22 paper led by paleontologists Quing He of an huay University in China Not only that it's among the first dinosaur eggs or evidence of any dinosaurs for that matter found in the roughly 70 million year old Upper-cretaceous Christian formation of the queshawn basin Wow Fucking a man Dinosaur eggs that are filled with look at that crystals Beautiful and it looks like a geode Mm-hmm. It's a dinosaur egg nuts. That's the same nuts. That's why I'm Yeah, the world's a wild place my brother world is a really you know whether anybody well That's what I've been I've been trying to see as much of it as I can and save as much of it as I can That's been well I'm glad you're out there and I'm glad you're still alive because you freaked me out every now and then when you send me messages Don't worry about your safety and I need someone to train me to use a gun. I'm like oh Jesus Christ Oh, we're dealing with the narco people oh Jesus Christ Well we're closer than we've ever have been Thank you for how much you've been able to help us get that message out this this this book is 20 years of the wildest shit. It's the story of how Jane and how we I went how I met J.J How we found the Anaconda's all the all the everything that led to this I mean how how I mean you talked about when you started out. I mean just being a kid And you have a dream And I mean I went to the Amazon. I just wanted to see the Amazon. That was that was the dream I never a million years imagined that I'd get to go on these adventures See these animals and then now that we're on the cusp of protecting an entire river. I mean The wildest dreams that that me as a kid had Couldn't even touch this and so it's it's it's a fun book to be sharing with you. Fuck a dope my brother And the book is jungle keeper What it takes to change the world? Paul Rosalie Available now. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Always great to see you Yes, the best do it again. Thank you brother. Thank you. All right. Bye everybody