Hour 3 - Mike Vrabel-Diana Russini Situation, Daniel Jeremiah

Get in the freaking auto! From the Quantum Fiber Studio, this is Brock and Salk on Seattle Sports. Brock Ewerd is my hero. James Ewerd just punched me in the kidney. I was gonna use you to a minute. That'll work that way, Sherm. This is a show that has my name on it. It's got a chug, though. Now, here are your hosts, Brock Ewerd and Mike Salk. Hello! Hello! Hello! We don't generally dig into TMZ stories, but this one has a sports bend to it. And so, kind of came across our desks yesterday. Moore sent us this info. Thank you, Maura, for sending it over. It was a little, it was surprising. Yeah, it gave me a big wow. This is the story, if you haven't heard yet, about Mike Vrable, head coach of the Patriots and athletic reporter, Diana Rossini. They were photographed holding hands and hugging while at a luxury hotel pool by the New York Post, page six. So, Maura sent over the page six thing and has three pictures on there. And then a fourth picture emerged today. So, two of the pictures I thought were pretty innocent. One of them is sort of a little hug that looks, you know, like it could just be a hello hug. If it had just been the hug picture, I would have said, no story. That's obnoxious. Don't even put that out there. That's wrong. There's another picture of the two of them in lounge chair. They're like, what do they call those? Like a, called like a Baja shelf, right? Where there's like a... It's built into the pool. Yeah, like it's just like an inch or two of water. And you sit on the nice Shays lounge there, right? And they're sitting next to each other. It looks like they're maybe both on their phones, but like, okay, it's a little weird. I have never really wanted to be in a bathing suit around coworkers and people that I work with. But okay, like you're find yourself at the same hotel and you know each other and you know, you go hang out at the, all right. Like, you know, it's certainly not, you know, the Coldplay couple. It's just like, okay, they ran into each other. They're fine. It's the third one where it starts to get a little dicey. And this is one where they're quote unquote, holding hands. They're not holding hands and standing next to each other, walking around like a couple. They're not doing that. They're greeting each other, I think. But they're... What was that game, Mercy? Where you would interlock your fingers? They're interlocking fingers. Do you think Diane is like, I saw you training that lineman from Arizona State, right? And you were really handsy. Do you want to get handsy? Can you play a little game of Mercy with me? I would say that, but can they're off to the side? I don't remember playing that. You never played that? I think once I hurt my hand, I probably never did anything like that because I just was not going to be able to play that game. But... That's something couples do, so you interlock hands and then you pull that person in for a hug. It's very couple-y. Oh, is it? Yeah, so okay, so you greet each other. Have you ever greeted someone? It's not like they just put their hands in each other's. Their fingers are interlocked. Oh, I know. Can you play a little Righteous Brothers for me? I want to get a little... Hello. And I know some people are telling us not to talk about this, but it's all over so... I'm going to make a comment here that we'll bring about. All right, come over here. Let me come over to me. Let's... We're going to... Come on. Do we have some Righteous Brothers? Do we have some love music? All right, bro, come on over. We're going to put our hands to... No, that's weird. All right, here it is. Oh, God. All right, or we're interlocking hands. Ah! It does not feel natural. This is not something you want to do with a co-worker. Please stop. Ow! Your hands are much bigger than mine. I don't like this. Ow! Oh, they're sweaty. Ow! It hurts. Go away. All right, I don't think that's what they were doing. That was... There we go. Are you doing the studio music? Ugh. That hurt. No. I already did it once. All right, I'll do it again. This is very nice. This is not... This is not something you do with a co-worker. Go away. All right, that's enough. So there's that picture, which is too much. The last picture, though, more is the one you told me about today that came out. And this one, they're in the hot tub together. That one's floating around. I don't know where it came from. I'm out. Who knows if that one's real? Once you're in the hot tub together, I think that... But could it be AI? Could it be AI? It could be. Sure. It looks like it matches all the other ones. It does. Here's the other thing that kind of rubs me the wrong way here. This is a quote from the USA Today article. Both Roussini and Vrable insist they were there with friends. And they say they simply weren't visible in the picture. OK, fine. A source close to Roussini says, she was staying at the hotel during a hiking trip with two female pals. One of Vrable's friends told Page Six that they and the coach just drove up to Sedona for the day with another friend. And they all drove back to their own hotel some two hours away after hanging out with Roussina and her gang. They just drove two hours, hung out with Diana Roussina and her friends, and then drove back. It's not a big deal. People do that all the time. That one, I'm sorry. I'm not buying at all. Eyewitnesses say that Vrable's buddies were nowhere to be seen, however, also comes from that same USA Today story. At the end of the day, here's why I do think it is a story of sorts. I don't really know whether or not there was some sort of untoward affair going on between Mike Vrable and Diana Roussini. We can speculate based on the pictures. Maybe it's appropriate. Maybe it's not. At the end of the day, I'm not sure it matters to me. I'm not saying it doesn't matter to the people in their lives, but they are both married. There's kids. They are not the first people in sports or sports media to have affairs. There are plenty of them. And remember, we talked about this with TMZ 100 years ago, Brock, like, hey, if they want to do sports and you really want to look under the rug, careful what you wish for, because there's a lot going on there. If you are caught doing that publicly in 2026 and you were not having an affair, you're an idiot. I mean, honestly, if you're having an affair, that's one problem that I'm not going to get into. But if you're not having an affair and you were photographed doing things like that, getting into a hot tub with a bikini-clad person that you work with, you're an idiot. You're an absolute idiot, both of them. Interlock fingers? Total idiocy. You know the world we live in. You know that there's camera phones everywhere. You know how inappropriate it looks. Now, it's an adult-only resort. You're an absolute. It was an adult-only resort. Well, so what? You're an idiot. If that's what you did, you're an idiot. So I do think that what this is about, honestly, is not whether or not there's an illicit affair going on between two people. Like, yeah, I could name you off the air about 30 of those that I know of in the sports world. And I don't know, Jack, like, you talk to people who really know things, that's not uncommon. In fact, it's probably a lot more common than you wish it was. But the stupidity of getting caught like that, or if you're not having some sort of an affair. Or if you're going to come out and you're going to hammer back that way, you better be right. You better be right. You better be totally right. Do you? All I know is if I saw the interlocking hand photo, I'd be having a talk with my significant other. Whether I thought they were cheating or not. Inappropriate. Yeah. And Heather may be having a talk with me after seeing the video of me and Brock. I mean, I just, I've worked with a lot of women over the years. And the idea of being somewhere where we're both in bathing suits and then getting into a hot tub. Let's be clear. More I like bathing suits. It's just a no. OK, more I like bathing suits. You guys would never see me in one, though. No. Like, if I was frowned someone I'm working with, I would wear a cover up or something. It just feels awkward. Oh, my friend who I work with is here, where I'm happened to be vacationing. You know what I'm going to do? Take off more of my clothes. Like, no. That's a no. Come on. We just got a text from Ryan Divish that interlocking fingers with me would be like gripping five snakes. There's a reason, Brock, and I did that in here. We're not going to try that in there. No one is, I mean, that's not about the, you know, the world we live in and not wanting to be too close. That's literally just fear for our own safety. What are those hand motions you're doing, Brock? No, I'm trying to imagine. Is that me? Yeah, your fingers would probably go down like the halfway down our arm, right? I don't want more fingers coming up my sleeve. That's right. I don't want to interlock and have her fingers up to my elbow. That would just make me uncomfortable, quite frankly. So anyways. Were you here when Sean Kemp came in and you shake his hand and literally his hand, I think, went to my elbow? That's weird. He's got the most gigantic. Oh, huge. I remember looking at that guy, Steve Vios, the center. Oh, sausage fingers. And calling him sausage fingers. You could never even do that. And then there was the guy that worked for the Sea Octo at Banana Hands. That guy. That guy had the biggest hands I've ever seen. But yeah, I don't. His fingers were like bananas. Stay in there, please. We're not interlocking fingers. Nobody wants your fingers up to our elbow. Not because of my fingers. Well, maybe a little of both. We'll be right back. It's Brock and Saul. Highlights don't win games. 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But last night was sloppy, and coming off of three straight losses to go out and put out that kind of an effort with a couple of mental mistakes, and a couple of physical mistakes, and a couple of execution issues. Yeah, last night was not a good game for the Mariners, and unfortunately, it meant that they had dropped yet another series. This one to Texas, they out hit the Rangers, they out walked the Rangers, the homers were even. They out trafficked the Rangers. All those things happened, but they didn't execute the big moments, both offensively and defensively. Here was Dan afterwards. Sometimes we get a little anxious, and sometimes we try to do too much in those situations. I mean, I think this is, these guys in there are trying so hard to break it open, and that's what everybody wants in there. Sometimes in those situations, we need to be able to relax a little bit, but that will come. I mean, I think it's coming. The Abats are better tonight, and tomorrow, pick right up where we left off. The Abats were better last night. They were too veteran of a team to do that, though. I'm sorry. You don't start where you finished last year, but you do have a continuation of we've been there, we've done it, we're a veteran group of guys. This is not a bunch of young guys. Colt Emerson comes up, Salk, and he squeezes the bat a little hard, and he's trying a little too hard. OK, that's totally understandable. There's thousands and thousands of Abats. These are guys that have been in these moments time, after time, after time. You got to execute. You got to end a four game losing streak, and he certainly got to do that today. George gave you everything. Pitch a complete game. Yeah, pitch well. I mean, literally, Brendan throws it away, and. These low starts are just frustrating. It is early, and Jeff said that yesterday when we talked to Passon. Like, hey, what do you say other than it's early? Nothing, it's early. But then you say, OK, well, what do you say to those who are a little disappointed because we're not supposed to say that this year? Yeah, I mean, it's nice that way. But the ultimate thing, Mike, is it not? I would rather than be doing this in August and September than in April and May. Of course. And we want all of it, right? Like, we want them to, from the jump, be a juggernaut. Sometimes it doesn't happen, but that doesn't damn this team. To a disappointing see. And I think we all know that in our, we know that. We just don't want to have to have this conversation again. And we thought we weren't going to have to. So a chance to get it back going today. At least salvage one game in this series. Don't get swept in Texas. You got Brian Wu on the hill. Now you're going to face a lefty, Mackenzie Gore. So an opportunity for Rob Resnider to get himself off the Schneider. 1135 first pitch pregame show will be at 10 30 a.m. Here on 7 10. Here's the second thing you need to know. I do like the bill Barnwell suggestion. Trade number 32 Brock in the draft here 15 days away. Get back pick 39 from Cleveland plus a third and a fifth. Yep. Feels right. Yeah. Yep. You had another one in kind of the wheelhouse and in the wheelhouse in this draft is again, I think anything under a hundred. Once I started to go through all the names and put together my own John Clayton database on the back of my Manila folder here. And you do you start to look at it and yeah, that's a good player. He's good player is not an elite elite, but that's a good player. Oh, I could see that guys to see. That's a good player. And once you get beyond unlike previous, the last couple drafts, once you get up beyond like, I don't know, maybe even 75 or 85. It does take a really big dip. Like a really big dip. So I don't know how much you need to stack fourth or fifth or six, but get me another third. And maybe again, you trade that 39 to get another third and all of a sudden have, you know, four picks between that kind of area of 50 and 75. You're going to find a starter or two. Well, they could use those. And one of them, I understand the need for running back. Rob Staten on yesterday with bumping Stacy talking about Jadarian Price. He had the most explosive place of all of the running backs who are eligible for this draft from the 2025 season. So if you are looking to replace what Ken Walker gave you in terms of big plays, the Jadarian Price has shown that he can do that. His missed tackle force rate is amongst the highest in the class. I think it is at the top. His second for yards after contact per tent. So all of those different statistics that you're looking for to try and replace Ken Walker, he ticks those boxes. Okay. So I get that. I don't know if I'm doing it at 32, but I do like the idea of a running back. I'm just going to keep, I know we keep here and running back and corner over and over again. And I just want to make sure that I continue to say edge because I feel like that's Oh, good. I'm excited. And we'll talk to DJ Daniel Jeremiah. Get more on this here in about five or 10. Here's the third day you need to know. You aren't officially eliminated yet, but it is very, very close and probably is going to happen sooner here rather than later. The season is over. The conversation about pride while it didn't show up last night, they had a two one lead and then gave up four straight goals in the second and third period. Just a hideous effort again by a team that is again, Brock, you always say give a locker room and the locker room will let you know. Well, they're letting you know that something is broken. Something is, as I said earlier, rotten in the state of Denmark. There's a problem. And maybe it's the coach, maybe it's the team leadership, maybe it's the front office. I honestly, I'm not close enough to the situation to know. But, you know, yesterday we got good text this morning. Yesterday we kept saying, well, you know, you fired a couple of head coaches about three and three years. And this text just said, so what? Get the right coach. Like, and I don't know whether Lane, Lane Lambert's the problem or not. It felt like they settled on Lane Lambert, settled for him rather than went after him. And I guess I would love to be in a situation. I keep coming back to Todd Laiwiki with Pete Carroll. He didn't like decide on Pete Carroll. He, because there were no other options, he went after him. So, no, I'm going to fire my coach because I want this guy. And I would love for the Kraken to be in a position where they're going after people. Well, the acquisition, yeah, the acquisition phase of it, again, back to data and what in the response to data, here's the data. It sure feels from the seat that we sit in and certainly my very amateur eye, like the acquisition phase of this, whether it's the. Oh, it's been awful. Yeah, it's just not, it's not been what you needed to be to compete with the very best. Now they do have a chance at the number one overall pick. Again, it'll be like a 10% chance when it's all said and done, because there is a draft lottery and that kid's really good. Oh, he's really good. There's a little bit of a weird. Like a McKinnon, like a. Yeah, really? Yeah. I'm trying to remember his name. You know who actually knows his name is Avery. Avery would be like, Oh, what's his name? She would have it with. She's gotten really, really into it. Really, really into it. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? She was. Yeah, she was very animated at the hockey games I've been. Oh yeah. Yeah, she's super, super into it. There it is. Gavin McKenna. That's his name. Gavin McKenna. Yep. Gavin McKenna. Gavin McKenna. You get a chance to get Gavin McKenna. That can change your program. He's one of those guys. So there you go. That's everything you need to know. Quarter past every hour here. The Padres playing. Are they, are they doing better than me? No, I don't think they're doing very well. Oh, really? They weren't anyway. I don't know. Maybe DJ won't join us. Maybe he'll be just too upset over the, over the Padres. And she's like, yeah, I'm out. So we did get this text. Salk you and you, you and twining fingers with Brock twice was the hardest I've ever laughed at your show. Great radio. Oh, good to hear. I mean, it's really better video, I would say, if you're on YouTube. But then this one, you guys are so mean to Mora, but it's okay because she could strangle you both at the same time with one hand. See, that's not right. I don't know why you would write that in. That's really, really unfair, quite frankly, to poor Mora. I'm inappropriate. Daniel Jeremiah next. I'm Brock and Salk. Highlights don't win games. 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From the Quantum Fiber Studio, this is Brock and Salk weekdays, six to ten on Seattle Sports and 97 three FM HD two. Sorry, I was distracted, Brock. I was just watching more video of the ZAM of the Zammoth. Have you seen that yet? What's that? It's the Utah Mammoths Zamboni that they have turned into a giant woolly mammoth. Oh, it is hilarious. It debuted last night and it is spectacular. Look at that thing. Is it bigger than a normal Zamboni? No, it's well, they've they've added onto it like a like a parade float. It is hilarious. Go go go Google the Zammoth. The thing is really incredible. And yeah, they're going to the playoffs. They're having a lot of fun there in Utah. Daniel Jeremiah is getting ready for the draft 15 days away. And he's with us once again. Good morning, DJ. How are we? I'm doing great for some reason. I can't see you guys today. Oh, I'll assume that I'm not being trolled with like a Paul Schienzer. Is he? Yeah, I don't know. One for the dogs yesterday. No, Brock's wearing his master's shirt. Three quarters zip masters. Oh, yeah. Did you so if you got it, if you got a text as I did yesterday from a friend who was going to be there and they said, what can I bring you back? Like, what would you guys go with? That's great. A Pimento sandwich. Probably. Oh, you don't want that. No, it's not going to travel. No, I mean, I think the go to is a hat, right? The go to or some hats. That's that's that's a winner winner chicken dinner. I think obviously the polo is well to reply pull over because that's what I did. You want it is after you spent $1,800 there last year. Oh, right. But I looked through my I looked to my closet, not a pullover somehow spent all that money didn't come with a single single pull over. Maybe did you give him the thing you bought that you can't wear ever again that maybe he could try to return for you? Oh, my son's working in Nashville. So that was a Christmas present. I've had on that. There you go. Very smart. All the conversation here, DJ has been about running backs for whatever reason. And I'm not saying the Seahawks don't need a running back, but Brock wants them to trade up for Jeremiah Love. I'm the only one I'm screaming that from the rooftops here, DJ. I'm getting hammered by everybody. That makes no sense. That's a stupidest thing to the point where I tried to put out a video saying that it was a bad idea and people accused me of just making up a straw man argument because nobody would be so crazy as to suggest trading up for my argument is this, DJ. My argument is just simply this. I've heard from multiple people. You said to us last week that Jeremiah is your number two running back. You didn't shy away from a B. John Robinson comp, maybe even a Christian McCaffrey comp. Mr. Fleury, the new OC comes from San Francisco with Christian McCaffrey. We know what that looks like in this system. And if he's the best player in this draft and he does start to slip because he's a running back, does it make any sense at all for Seattle? Yeah. First of all, I did see a little bit of Salk's video and I thought it would look like one of those videos where someone's going to die and they leave like for open this on your wedding day. Like this is your dad and I just want to let you know that there's some thinking of you and I'll be there with you in spirit. But it was just him talking about not wanting to take a running back. It was a very similar sentiment that I was pulling from that video. Good. But look, I get both arguments and I think when you're thinking of like the long-term sustainability and not parting with resources and let's continue to, you know, build up the trenches, let's get another interior offensive line, like all these things like to kind of, you're thinking about the window and elongating the window. But then there's to me like the Brock side of the argument, which is, man, you're ready to go right now. Like let's just maximize this window. Maybe it's for these next two or three years where we've got this group together. And this could, you know, if this is a move that helps guarantee us another Super Bowl in the next two to three years, I mean, I can, I can get on board with that. Does that move like that guarantee you a Super Bowl in the next two or three years? I don't think it, I don't think I think it guarantees you'll have the best roster possible for this next year or two years. I think it'll be the most impactful thing you could do for the roster for the next couple of years. All right. Now, when you start missing picks, now you'll start seeing that impact as we go into, you know, three years from now, four years from now, then you'll start to feel that. Well, and as we know, sometimes their picks start contributing pretty quickly. That has not been something I'd ever wanted to count on. But I mean, their top two picks from last year were both starters and major players on their team, you know, both, both Zabel and even worry. So walk me through, if you're the Seahawks and you need a running back, are you trading up for love or are you trading back? Bill Barnwell said trade 32 for 39, a third and a fifth. Are you trying to do something along those lines and then taking someone like Jadarian Price at 39 and going from there? What, what, which is a better fit for this team, this spot, this roster? If you told me they could just trade out of the first round and get price, who is my second running back? And I really like, I think it's going to be a really good player. I would probably be more in that camp to lean into that. Let's get some extra resources. I still think he's going to be an excellent player. My, the concern is when you're trading back, how far do you go back? Because in my opinion, after price, it is a steep drop off to get to the third running back. So it's just kind of how dangerous of a game do you want to play there? I like the idea of sliding back three or four spots, you know, just getting a little something extra and then, and then pulling the trigger on him at 35, you know, something like that. You start getting that towards 40 and around that range. I'd be a little nervous. You're going to miss out on that one. And then after him, man, I just, a lot of question marks on the rest of these backs. Give me DJs, itinerary for the next, what are we 15 days away from kickoff? What do we got? What are these final, the final couple of weeks look like? So I've got to, I've got to put the 150 together. So I've got the top 50, then I've got all the players, all the positions, you know, stacked. And now I got to weave that together to come up with the final top 150, which I think I turned that in early next week. So working on that right now, I've been spending a lot of time doing the baseball cards, which is when a guy gets picked and you'll see, you know, hey, they just selected Jadarian Price from Notre Dame. You'll see his face and you'll see three nuggets about him, you know, like, hey, he's instinctive, you know, wasn't using the passing game much. And, you know, he's, you know, incredibly toughness, whatever. So I have to put three things together for all the players in the draft. So when they get picked, that's kind of the first thing you see, which then rolls into our XO highlight, which we break down with my buddy, Ben Fennell, it's been working on those. So it's kind of just putting all of that little, that little puzzle together. And then it's a lot of phone calls and sifting through what's real and what's not real. And I have been able to keep track over the years of people you talk to and who you can rely on and who's trying to play you. Yeah, I get the sense that, and I've learned this from John in these couple weeks, DJ, at least their process is now it really is medical time. Now it really leaned in into those. Hold on. Can I just come back to what you just said? You're explaining what you just said at the very end of that. You are you essentially saying that you are like, what's the word? Grading your own sources? Oh, it's like keeping a scoreboard. Yeah, like keeping a scoreboard so that you don't get fooled in the future by somebody who's just trying to play you. Yeah. And some of it is interesting. What I've learned is some some guys, it's who they don't talk about is that's something. There's some news out of who they don't bring up. You know, one of the most reliable pieces of information, which you guys, if when you've been around the game and the locker room and stuff, you'll appreciate like the loosest lips or coaches. So you'll get great information from like you could call your five sources with the team and be like, just kind of get a feel for them. And I leave those five conversations with nothing. And then I'll call a position coach from another team. We go, oh, yeah, I talked to their beeline coach yesterday. Oh, God, he loves this guy. Hates that guy. They're not taking him. And I'm like, OK, well, that was actually a pretty useful piece of information. So that's that's usually one of the wells I go to. Do the agents try to spin you to? Yeah, but I usually I again, on that one, it's what is the phrase? Thou doth protest too much. When you're sending me 95 highlight tapes of your guy two weeks before the draft, I feel you might be a little nervous. He's slipping. That's usually the. Is the injury that maybe in some ways the hardest thing, the medicals, because it is always so delicate anyway, whether that's HIPAA laws or what? Is that some of the when you look back and you're like, oh, I hit on the. Oh, I miss on this guy. Oh, I wonder why does it often turn out that the medicals are some of the hardest for you to kind of discover as well? Yeah, I'll try and do like I usually do about two to three teams and I'll go through their medical stuff on all these guys. And I'm like, look, I never say anything about anybody's medical. I never say anything about anybody's character. Like I just stay out of that world, but it helps me as I'm, you know, slotting the guys and figuring out where they're going to go and ranking of myself. And then also as we're sitting there on the desk, if like, man, everybody expected this guy to go and he hasn't gone yet. That's usually when, you know, the information guys can then run with that as reporters who know the dos and don'ts in that world. So I stay, I stay out of it, but it is it is fascinating when you can call one team, get the rundown of their medical stuff and who is off their board and who they would not, you know, they would not be okay with selecting. And then you can talk to another team like, yeah, now we're good. Man, we feel fine about it. So it varies from team to team for sure. Daniel Jeremiah with us two weeks before the draft. In addition to running backs, the other two probably biggest positions of need for the Seahawks are corner and edge. Corner has come up a lot in various mock drafts. I think you've had a couple of different corner options out there for the Seahawks. Who fits with Mike and with the group they already have in the secondary? Well, I think there's some intriguing guys. You know, I like some of like, I'm looking for guys who are a little bit bigger. They're physical, they're tough, they're instinctive. So on the outside, like Chris Johnson plays strong, real physical from San Diego State. I'm a fan of him just outside my top 50, which if I'm where are they picking here in the second round there, 64. Yeah, you know, they won the Super Bowl. I don't know if you remember. They did win the Super Bowl. So 32 and 64. Yeah, 64 and 96. Yeah, they're just, yeah, right where they should be. At 64, at 64, like, I don't know if he gets there. I think he probably goes in the 40s, 50s, but Daylan Everett from Georgia is a, he's a, he's a really good player who was really good in big games and sees, sees the field well. He plays big, he probably goes somewhere in the 40s, 50s, but man, if he made it to 64, there'd be a home run pick. I just had a curious, are those the two things they have to do? Like, are there any half dues for them? Do they need to come away with a corner and a running back, a defense event? Like, they've got to have a running back. I mean, at some point in time, they got to pick a running back for sure. And I would say the edge, they'll add, I mean, they're going to add an edge. They're going to add a corner. I mean, I would think at some point in time, they'll add an interior offensive lineman. But again, that goes to your point of if you could, if you could trade back a little bit and get some extra picks that might help you accomplish all those goals. What about the other two kids in the secondary? And Gamecock came in here last year and just transformed the group in E-Mam Worry and they've got a safety and they've got a corner that I'm seeing in most top 50s. Either of those guys kind of bring in any way, some of the tool bag that E-Mam Worry does. I would say, there would more be Kilgore than it would be Ceasey. Ceasey is a real athletic explosive corner. Kilgore is your kind of nickel safety combination. You know, Verso is 210 pounds. He's physical. I have him, he is, I'm looking at where I have him on my list here. Kilgore is, where is he on here? Oh, I have him in my corner stack. I have him in my corner stack. So I have Everett. So I have in my last top 50 or the 150, it'll come out. Ponds is number 50, the little corner from Indiana. Then I have Everett from Georgia. And then right underneath him, I have Kilgore from South Carolina. So Everett, Kilgore, like that might be one of those deals, or maybe one of those guys makes it all the way to 64. I think either one of those would be great picks. So we spent DJ here with us as he will be the next couple of weeks leading up to the draft and a couple of shows after the draft. We spent a lot of time, or at least the narrative has been a lot of time, on what the Rams did to beat the Seahawks. Oh, we got to go Trent McDuffie. We're going to go pay this guy. We're going to get that. Like, we're going to, that was our biggest need, right? We couldn't stop the Seahawks. The secondary was a problem. Let's flip this around. We haven't done this yet from a Seahawk perspective, because your buddy and our buddy, Peter Schreger, was on with us on Monday. And Salk asked him if maybe McDonald's in McVeigh's head just a little bit. And he bristled, I would say. He's like, uh-huh. I mean, he put up 580 yards, and he put up 40 points. I don't think he, like, he was the one guy that really solved the Mike McDonald riddle. What did he do in your opinion against the Seahawks on that Thursday night, NFC title game, that if the Seahawks were to go, huh, let's buttress our needs, our weakness, our voids, and what they exploited against us? Who could that be in this draft? What could that look like? Well, I'll give you, I'll give you a fun one. Kyle Lewis at a pit would be someone that could help with what took place in that game, giving you somebody who's, uh, is a second level player with elite cover skills. So you've got the, you know, another versatile player, but someone who can match up that you're not going to get targeted in the middle of the field. And he's kind of a tweener, right? A little bit of a twiner. A mempozzier for those that don't know. Like, he could, some almost look at him as a safety. He's like 6'1", 220", and he can really run, and his fluidity is off the charts. But is he fast enough to be a safety? Is he big enough to be a linebacker? Is he a little bit in between? Yeah, he's a tweener. But he kind of played as like that hang defender. So they kind of walk him out over the slot and then you'll see him cover in there. You'll see him blitz from there. He's a real dynamic player. I, and you go to the senior bowl, he was the best coverage player, like the non-corner coverage players. So if you took all the safeties and linebackers and just watched them cover, it wasn't even close. Like he was by far the best man cover player. When you pull up his size, and I'll pull it up right here, he was just under six foot. He's 220 pounds. He ran four, five, three. So I mean, that's a, that's a big, that's a suitable time for a safety. So where does he go? See a second, third runner? So he's going to go in this, I think he had day two, 100% day two. And again, he's, he would, I would lump him in with that group of players that we were talking about with Everett Kilgore, who are, you know, 45 to 65 in that range. And what happens, you end up coming up with a handful of players, and I would add AJ Halsey from LSU into that mix as well. You start coming up with, you know, six, seven, eight guys. Look, you're not, you know, they're not all going to be there when you pick, but the odds start getting there that man, one of these guys will be there. And I think all those players would help them with some of that versatility and that ability to cover in that mid tier level of the field. So this is a draft where, and you guys have said it over and over again, there's a lot of solid players, there aren't a lot of stars. Okay, I understand that. And then I'm thinking about these, let's call them three positions that the Seahawks have the biggest need, corner, edge, and running back. Is there a guy that plays any of those three positions, or a few guys, that you would put in the boom or bust category? Like, hey, there is a chance that they are a star. Like there might be something unbelievable here, but the risk factor is enough that they're not, like, you know, a person that you'd put in the automatic star category. Are there any real boom or bust options? Yeah, I would say the corner that I would put in that mix who kind of plays as the primary nickel there at Miami is Kiantay Scott, who I love his play style because it's just ultra aggressive. And it's aggressive versus the run. He jumps routes like he's, he's a playmaker. He ran extremely fast. He plays with a ton of energy. But there's that fine line, right, between being real aggressive and being a little bit reckless. So he would be the one if you told me like there was a player that went in the second round that will be looking up, you know, a few years from now. He's a little older too. But is there a player like, oh my gosh, how did this guy go in the second round? Much like you experienced last year with Eman Wari. Or it could be a player a couple of years from now. It's like, gosh, how did they take him in the second round? Like he was reckless and, you know, like that was a reach. But he's one who's got kind of that, that wide variance of outcome. Any edge players that fit that bill? Oh, absolutely. I think Malachi Lawrence is one of those at a UCF. I really like him. Plays with his hair on fire. But he's just raw. So he doesn't have it all figured out just yet, but he is very toolsy, very quick. What does he own for Missouri? He's one that's, he's polarizing. I wouldn't say that he has that high of a ceiling though. Like to me, he's a real rugged, physical tough player. You're going to love him on first and second down. You might want a little bit more on third down. But I feel like he's kind of more of a defined guy. I think you kind of, you know, maybe not as high a ceiling, maybe a little bit higher floor. But the other edge guys that kind of have some boomer bust to him, like our Mason Thomas, I really like him. He's in my top 50, but he's someone who, you know, teams are a little bit split on, but he is, you know, he plays like a, with a fastball man. He gets off the ball. All right. So that would be another one. So help me here, because you've mentioned a bunch of names. Yeah. Raise my hand. Oh, I'm sorry. Well, my hand still sore from interlocking fingers with you. Salky and I did the Diana and Gravel move. Are we interlocked fingers? Oh, did you really? Yeah. It was not comfortable at all. It was awkward. And more, I don't know if you know, has very, very long fingers, so we just couldn't even bring her into the conversation. They're doing that. You interlocked fingers. I'm a tall person. It'd be almost up to your armpit. Tremendous length. Very uncomfortable. Tremendous length. I'm just trying to go through the names. You've given us our Mason Thomas a couple of times, defensive end. Yep. You've given us Chris Johnson today, who you thought would be a home run pick for them at Corner. And we've talked about Jadarrium Price. Yeah. Which of those three players, if they were the first pick taken by the Seahawks, would be the biggest home run for them? I will say, and it's not, I have, I believe I have, well, actually, I think I have it that way. I would say both. I would say Jadarrium Price. I was going to say how I have it, and in terms of how I have ranked, and then who I think will have the biggest impact. And I would say Jadarrium Price wouldn't be that guy. Wow. I got to do my, I got to watch that. He's a good player, man. If we looked up next year, and especially with that team, with what they have in place there, and he had a 1100, 1200 yard rookie season, that wouldn't shock me. He's really talented. What goes down, you mentioned you fighting through some of the spin over the next 15 days, and every and all the sources, and all the things that you take in. Does that, is there a little spin with these top 30 visits? In your life experience, have teams used these in some different ways, or how do you evaluate these top 30 final visits? Well, everybody uses them differently, but I did laugh to the day, because I was talking to someone in the media, and they were like, man, the buzz on this guy, he's taken 14 top 30 visits. And I'm like, yeah, he's got a bad knee. Okay, they're bringing him in to look at his knee. Yes. It's not going to be the fifth pick in the draft. Yeah. Yeah. So there's some of it is getting them, you want to get another medical look at them. You get the medical character guys you want to do more work on. You get teams that some teams look at it as, okay, these are the seven or eight guys we think are going to be in the mix for us when we pick, so we want to bring them in, get another point of contact. And then there's some teams that use smoke screens and bring it in some people while they're out secretly trying to meet with these guys quietly on their turf, so that they don't raise any alarm bells. But everybody approaches it differently. And the other thing is you always see guys, usually every team will a lot, like one or two spots for a player they think might be undrafted that they really, really like. And it's almost like we're going to dedicate one or two of these spots to recruit that kid now. So many young, innovative GMs, right? The GM picture was hilarious at the owner's meetings, right? And just so many, right? Of such similar background, doing things similar ways. If we were to look right now around the lake and we got a chance to pop into the war room of all 32 organizations, how different would the setup in those war rooms on their boards and their evaluations be, you think? Oh, it's wildly different. And in terms of how they stack their players, their process is different. Some teams are done. Like they're the hay is in the barn, their board is set, like there's nothing left to be done, like they're all locked in. Other teams are having meetings right now as they're trying to finalize stuff. Other teams, like when they're on the clock, you'll see some hustling and bustling and they're still trying to figure out what they're going to do. So everybody has different process. The order is vastly different. I always tell everybody when I'm talking with the teams, and I'm just messing with them, but I'm like, my job is so much harder than you. I got to show my cards on 150 players. You only have to show your cards on the six guys you're going to hit. Everybody's like, Lee, I mean, they would be shocked because you've been in a draft room when you're in there. And they'll be a guy going the first round that they have fourth, fifth round grades on. And they're just like, he's not for us. Like we haven't buried. And then you'll see guys in the fifth round that they have high. So it's totally different from team to team. What is the, maybe tune into the masters a little bit, having had the experience. What is the hole that you'll look at so differently now on TV after having played it? You know, what's funny is, I guess it would be, so the par three is 12, right? Yes. So then the par five is 13 next. And it has the little, the little creek that runs in front of the green. So I had not been, I have not been a huge golf fan until recently. So I saw, I've watched this tournament every year and I know these holes, like everybody else that plays it, you know, has a feel for it. And I just remember the caddy saying, you don't want to be in the bunkers in the back. Like that's, you don't want to be there. I'm like, okay. So I hit it a little bit short and we're walking down there and we get kind of close. And they go, is there water down there? He goes, Oh yeah. Yeah. Your ball is wet. Nobody wanted to tell me that there was a little water running down there. It's like, have you ever watched the master? So I'm like, Oh, currently not. Great stuff. As always, two weeks away. So we'll talk next Wednesday and then it'll be the day before the draft. So are we going to get you the day before the draft? You're not traveling or anything? I'm in Pittsburgh that whole week. We'll find a time. We'll find, we'll make, we'll make it work. Pittsburgh the whole week. Good stuff. Thanks, DJ. Appreciate you. All right, boys. All right. We'll talk next week. The great Daniel Jeremiah, of course. Move the sticks. Oh, and next week is the Vetter cup. That's true. I know. Yeah. We didn't even get to a while. Are you ready for the Vetter cup? What's your, where are you at with that? Why don't I just politely smile and wait? You could do that whenever you want. Okay. I was surprised by his answer there. I know you got upset that I cut you off, but no, which one? The Giderian price one. I am too. I thought he was going to say our Mason Thomas. I thought so. He called him the homerun pick. I thought he was going to say our Mason Thomas and he kind of switched it out. I think he's just kind of sealing. Like if you're here, you're kind of looking at. There's only so much you can do there. All right. Well, Brock, what a perfect intro then for you to give us a draft profile today. We're on to number 11 leading up to the draft and we'll hear from Brock who it is next.