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WWE Now - The Samoan Werewolf destroys Roman Reigns after The OTC retains | Backlash Recap

67 min
May 10, 202624 days ago
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Summary

WWE Backlash recap covering Roman Reigns retaining the World Heavyweight Championship against Jacob Fatu in a hard-fought main event, Braun Breaker defeating Seth Rollins, and Dan Housen winning his first WWE PLE match with a mystery partner revealed to be clones of himself. The episode features an in-depth interview with Dan Housen immediately after his victory and discussion of John Cena's announcement of the John Cena Classic.

Insights
  • Jacob Fatu demonstrated a dangerous, desperate version of himself by using the Tongan Death Grip early and frequently, signaling he was willing to break family code to win the championship
  • Roman Reigns' victory relied on an exposed turnbuckle rather than clean wrestling, positioning him as a champion willing to do whatever it takes to retain rather than a dominant force
  • Dan Housen's comedic character work and willingness to embrace absurdity resonates with audiences despite internet skepticism, suggesting entertainment value transcends traditional wrestling narrative expectations
  • The John Cena Classic represents a shift toward fan-driven recognition of performance over traditional win-loss records, reflecting evolved thinking about how younger talent can gain exposure
  • Sammy Zayn's ability to shift between serious and comedic storytelling demonstrates the complexity required of modern WWE characters to maintain audience investment across different narrative styles
Trends
Increased use of family/bloodline dynamics as primary storytelling mechanism in main event feudsGrowing acceptance of comedic and absurdist character work in premium live event matchesFan voting and performance-based recognition emerging as alternative to traditional championship pathsReferee positioning and exposed turnbuckles becoming narrative devices rather than accidentsCross-brand talent movement and flexibility becoming standard rather than exceptionCelebrity and influencer integration into wrestling narratives (Lil Yachty, Logan Paul appearances)Emphasis on character psychology and emotional storytelling over pure wrestling mechanicsYounger talent (Jacob Fatu, Braun Breaker) being positioned in main event championship programsPost-match interviews and immediate reactions becoming content-generating opportunitiesMerchandise and collectibles (Topps cards, WWE Shop) integrated into event promotion strategy
Topics
Jacob Fatu Championship ContentionRoman Reigns Title Retention StrategyTongan Death Grip as Narrative DeviceBraun Breaker vs Seth Rollins FeudPaul Heyman's Managerial InfluenceDan Housen Character DevelopmentComedic Wrestling StorytellingSammy Zayn vs Trick Williams RivalryJohn Cena Classic Tournament AnnouncementReferee Positioning and Match IntegrityBloodline Family DynamicsFan Voting in Wrestling RecognitionCelebrity Integration in WWEPremium Live Event Match QualityCharacter Psychology in Modern Wrestling
Companies
WWE
Primary subject of the podcast; covers Backlash premium live event and ongoing storylines
ESPN
Referenced for Paul Heyman's appearance discussing Jacob Fatu as championship material
Fanatics
Partner with WWE for merchandise, collectibles, and Fanatics Fest event promotion
People
Steph McMahon
Co-host of What's Your Story? podcast providing Backlash recap and analysis
Megan
Co-host providing commentary and analysis throughout Backlash recap episode
Dan Housen
Guest interviewed immediately after winning his first WWE PLE match at Backlash
Roman Reigns
Main event performer retaining World Heavyweight Championship against Jacob Fatu
Jacob Fatu
Challenger in main event championship match, demonstrated dangerous new character direction
Braun Breaker
Defeated Seth Rollins at Backlash in match seven months in the making
Seth Rollins
Lost to Braun Breaker at Backlash, now 0-2 since returning from injury
Paul Heyman
Manages Braun Breaker and Gunther; appeared on ESPN discussing Jacob Fatu
Sammy Zayn
Competed in United States Championship match against Trick Williams with gingerbread man storyline
Trick Williams
Retained United States Championship against Sammy Zayn at Backlash
John Cena
Announced the John Cena Classic, a fan-voted performance-based championship tournament
Lil Yachty
Involved in Sammy Zayn vs Trick Williams match, attacked with Kendo stick
Quotes
"Jacob Fatou really might win this. There were so many moments throughout where I thought Jacob was going to walk out of here as champ."
MeganEarly match analysis
"I think that the reality is that tonight surely meant a lot to Jacob in the sense that like he just main evented a PLE with Roman Reigns."
Steph McMahonPost-match reflection
"They don't make them like Jacob Fatou anymore. Hell, they never made them like Jacob Fatou."
Steph McMahonCharacter assessment
"I don't want Jacob Fatou off my TV. You just like the rules. Pick rule followers."
Steph McMahonSuspension debate
"I'm the boss up here and then you delegate right got time to lean you got time to clean."
Dan HousenInterview segment
Full Transcript
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It's almost the one good thing about backlash being over is that hopefully that year worms. That's not good to me. I like that. Yeah, but it's just stuck in there. It's stuck. It's great. It's probably stuck in there forever. But listen, we're going to have Dan Hausen. I can't wait. On the podcast, we talked to him immediately after his match I mean, if you think Dan Hausen is in rare form regularly, imagine just the emotions and ego after coming off of a win. It's great. I can't wait for you guys to see it. But before we get there, let's talk about a winner tonight that did not leave looking like a winner in any way, shape or form. Roman Reigns defeats Jacob Fatou. There was a lot going on in this match. There was a lot of kick outs. Yes. I think that Roman especially didn't see coming. I think I think Roman was introduced to how different Jacob Fatou actually is. But ultimate with the help of an exposed buckle, Roman Reigns got the pan over Jacob Fatou. Now, Megan, of course, there were a lot of people yip yip yapping going into this thing about how well we, I mean, Roman's not going to lose the title. Roman didn't just win the title to lose the title. And me, me, me, me while you are watching this match. At any point did you go? Oh my God. Jacob Fatou really might win this. Of course, it took Roman Reigns three spears and an exposed turnbuckle to put away Jacob Fatou. There were many moments throughout this match where I thought, are we looking at a Roman Reigns as a transitional champion right now? Are we looking at Jacob Fatou who could become the World Heavyweight Champion? There were so many moments throughout where I thought Jacob was going to walk out of here as your champ. I mean, there's that one moment where he landed that Samoan drop out of nowhere and then hit that moonsault. And even then, that's when the roles kind of got reversed when Jacob for a moment was like, what do you mean he kicked out? That was my shot. I tasted it. I felt it for a second. And so early in the match, Jacob Fatou started using that Tongan death grip. I love that because that's so early. Because the Tongan death grip was such like a strong part of this story and they spent so long explaining, first of all, the context of it. Yes. That it was mastered by the tag team partner of Jacob's father, the Tonga kid who is Haku. And how everybody in the bloodline knows this move. We haven't really seen this move unleashed by the bloodline at all. Even Jacob hasn't really used this move before. And Roman brought it up because this is the type of thing you use at 3 AM at the bar. It's the context of it, right? Six against what? The context of it is in, right, what you just described, desperation. But I don't think that anybody factored in from that camp that that's exactly why Jacob is using a move like that. But it was also about, you know, like how that isn't something you use against your family. Family has been such a strong part of everything that Roman Reigns has been doing this, honestly, this decade. But I think Jacob putting the Tongan Death Grip on Roman Reigns pretty much immediately as the match begins. Yes. From the first point that they got to the outside of the ring, he started hitting the Tongan Death Grip. I think that's like Jacob's way of going like, hey, let me explain to Roman Reigns, let me explain to the audience, let me explain the mindset that I'm in. Now that we all know the context of this Tongan Death Grip, it has no weight on me. I'm going to use it again and again. It's at my disposal. I'm not going to wait and keep it in my back pocket. No hesitation. Or set in the table immediately. Right. Like there's nothing, like I'm walking in. It's not like. This is the tone of the match. Right. This is not the type of match where it's going to be, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait. And if I really need it, if I really got to use it, then I'll, no. We're going now. No, no, no. Right now. Right now. Just so you know, I'm walking in with that mentality. And while Roman does still walk out of backlash as your World Heavyweight Champion, I think what we saw tonight is the Jacob Fattu that Roman was afraid of his family seeing that he didn't ever want because there was a time, right? When Jacob Fattu was brought up, no, he was too dangerous. I think we saw that dangerous Jacob Fattu. Well, I think it goes back to Roman's point about Jacob handling the pressure of being champion. I mean, Paul Heyman was on ESPN this week talking about, because you know, I mean, that's a pretty well known thing, you know, that like part of being champion is representing the company. And Paul Heyman was on ESPN this week talking about how like Jacob is not the representative that WWE wants as their champion. But I also think that every time Jacob hears something like this and hears this thing that he's been hearing all of his life, it puts him even more and more into that space. Well, okay, it doesn't matter if you want this to be or not. It doesn't matter what kind of cookie cutter shape you're looking to fill. If you can't stop me, then this is a moot point. This conversation means absolutely nothing, which I think is why that Tongan Death Grip came out so early. But then Roman going straight to working on that hand going like, okay, I realized where we're at. I'm not going to sit here and try to go like, well, why would you do this? Why? No, this is the reality that we're in. How can I prevent the Tongan Death Grip? I need to work the hand. Right. And what does he do? Immediately he's trying to break Jacob's fingers. Which is of course what one would do. If it's like, if I'm worried about the Tongan Death Grip, but I'm fighting somebody, the best thing I could possibly do is break their fingers so he can't put it on me. Now Jacob's fingers don't break so easy. That's the thing. I mean, if I put the Tongan Death Grip on somebody, yeah, it's not that big of a deal. I've got brittle, brittle bones. Not Jacob. Small hands. Small hands too. There's nothing I can do with these things. Jacob, he's not in the same boat as I am. Yeah, I think, I love the moment where we got the, you know, Roman posted up in the corner and instead of punching him with the traditional 10 count punches, which we saw from Roman earlier in the match, we got the 10 Samoan headbutts. That was fantastic. Which, I mean, for as long as there's been pro wrestling, it's been known that the headbutt of a Samoan is a lethal, lethal thing. Samoans are born with very, very lethal heads. Yes. That's just part of the DNA. You know, if you look at everything that was going on, I think that, I think that the reality is that tonight surely meant a lot to Jacob in the sense that like he just main evented a PLE with Roman Reigns. Like he made it all the way. He went in a space where like you said, there were people that were like, no, this isn't going to happen. You know, that he never stopped. He kept pushing forward and now he's main evented a PLE with Roman Reigns. I think that there was a lot of symbolism in his entrance with the lay that he was wearing, with the garb that he was wearing. You know, it was very reminiscent of, I mean, not just Haku, but the Islanders in general. It was very reminiscent of how we saw his father, the Tanga kid, come to the ring and how many members of his family have come to the ring like that. I mean, I would say that maybe not in that exact color, but I did not think of Umaga, another one of the incredible members of that Samoan dynasty as Jacob Fatou comes to the ring. I mean, he is surrounded by the same depth that Roman has always been surrounded by. And I think Jacob, especially this is the same person that we talked to after WrestleMania and we saw the emotion of him, you know, competing on the grandest stage of them all and in coming away with a victory. But I think shortly after the entrance that, you know, Jacob was focused on not just being here, not just being in the main event of a premium live event for the World Heavyweight Championship against Roman Reigns, Jacob was desperate. Jacob wanted to walk out of here as champion. Yeah. And a lot of stuff started happening, right? At one point, the referee gets backed up into the corner. First of all, we should, before we get to like how it all ended up flushing out, like a lot of people were talking about the complications of the whole family at large. No Usos tonight. Nope. No solo tonight. No MFT. No MFT tonight. No Tomatanga. No Tonga. Nothing. Nothing. We had an exposed turnbuckle, and a little referee. Were you surprised that there was no interference? I was. You were expecting interference? Well, I did not want there to be interference because that's one of the things that everybody always says, the haters, as you call them. Not me. I do. Not me, but the haters always say, well, Roman can't do it by himself. Pocket checkers. That's what they are. They're pocket checkers. They go, Roman can't do it himself. And then they start counting his vacation days for him. Pocket checkers is what they are. Go on. I felt that it was important that Roman didn't have any additional help. However, because the Usos and solo were so involved in this story and the MFT were so involved in this story on the road to backlash, I honestly thought it was sort of inevitable that we were going to have. I mean, yeah, because everybody's talking about Hakku, like Tomatanga and Talatanga are the sons of Hakku. Like it's all connected. It all adds up. But yeah, you're right. I think that the other thing about this match was. And especially last night on SmackDown, when Jay was really speaking from the heart to Jacob telling him, look, I've been in your shoes. I know how this all happens because I was you. Oh yeah? What did Jacob say? He said, no, you weren't. No, you weren't. You're not me. You're not like me. No. You're not like me. And I would say I would Jacob on that. Jacob's a different beast, man. Jay has stood up to the family and Jay does go from the heart and Jay is a guy who goes emotions first sometimes and Jay is a guy with that connection. But realistically, they don't make them like Jacob Fatou anymore. Hell, they never made them like Jacob Fatou. I went from EBT to WWE. You see what I'm saying? It's a different deal. I'm getting fired up. Of course you are because it's a different deal. Now we get to the match. They're fighting with everything they've got. Referee ends up, I'm going to say this, this Bennett, not a referee who knows a lot about positioning, poorly positioned referee tonight. He's done a lot of great matches. Don't get me wrong. Tonight, wrong positions. Everybody has an off night. You know, can't be perfect all the time. But this is his backlash. This is important. Of course, yeah. He ends up crunched up in the turnbuckle. Now, okay, would you say that there was a pinfall that was 2.9999999999999 and one could argue that that referee was slow getting down for that count because he had just gotten crunched up in the corner. Listen, you know how I feel about referees and corruption? I don't know if it was full on corruption. I don't know if he was specific. I don't know. This is a Becky Lynch situation. But he does only get 2.99999999. Rockle ends up getting exposed and Jacob ends up colliding with it again, avoiding the referee before the referee could patch it up. And that is what in the end does Jacob Fatou in, which I mean, honestly, if I get where Jacob's coming from for anybody other than Jacob Fatou, it feels like an all-sphere and love and war situation. Like the logical part of me goes, well, I mean, it's part of it, right? This is all part of it, especially when you're fighting at that level. And the referees kind of letting things go a little bit, letting things slide, whether you meant for the turnbuckle pad to come off or not. It's all part of it. Listen, I'm all for letting them play, you know? Exactly. You got to let them play. Exactly. And then, and we walk in knowing that that's probably the scenario that we're in. All that said, I also wasn't surprised that Jacob reacted the way that he reacted. And listen, Jacob is not this like unreasonable beast of a man, okay? He's frustrated after the match. He attacks Roman Reigns. Referee tells him to get off. Jacob gives him a light shove and goes, I'm not getting off. I'm not going to get off of Roman Reigns. I'm not, it's not happening. So stop. Referee tries to pull him off again. Jacob gives him another push. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to leave him alone. I'm not stopping. So don't tell me again. Referee does it a third time. And that's when he ends up with a pop-up Samoan drop, which I did not expect to see an official get a pop-up Samoan drop. And that's when Jacob starts going after all of the officials. That's when Adam Pearce ends up getting chucked out of the ring. Super kicks are flying. Do you think Jacob will be suspended for what he did to Adam Pearce? I don't know if Jacob's an official raw superstar. I don't know what these contracts are. Everybody has questions about contracts and whatnot. I don't know what these contracts are. The internet says they know all about contracts. I don't know anything about contracts. I don't know what people sign. But last I checked before this title match, Jacob was on SmackDown. He's been on both recently. Right. And he didn't stop doing SmackDown in the build of this match. So you know, I don't really know. But regardless, I think there could be a case to be made for a suspension based on what he did to the referee. What are you, a narc? Are you a mentally teacher? No. Excuse me. You would have suspended somebody for that. Excuse me. Can you collect the homework? Like, yeah. You didn't, you forgot to collect the homework. You would do that. No, I would not. You would not. No. Oh. Those people are the worst. Who did this? I think a case could be made for a suspension. I mean, why don't you go tell the board, huh? And leave us all bored because of your suggestion. A case could be made for a suspension. People have been suspended for less. Oh, really? Yes. Well, I think if you're going to treat people a certain way, it should be fair. Yeah? You suspend them. You go up to them and tell them. You tell them. I'm not going to go up to them and say. Tell them some other werewolves. You know, I've never, you should have thought about. And if you're mad about being suspended, you should have thought about that before you put your hands on an official. You should go tell them some other werewolf. I'm not going to go tell them. You should be the GM of the law. That's what you should do. You should be the one to lay down the law. I think I'm all set. You know what? Because I don't want Jacob Fatou off my TV. I don't want him off my TV either. You just like the rules. Pick rule followers. Oh, yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. I'm just curious if there would be repercussions. Oh, really? You're a repercussions person. Well, I mean, you saw what he did. Exactly. I'm not a tribal chief. No, I know. I know. I know. I don't want bad things to happen to my tribal chief, but also my tribal chief is an emancipatory president. Oh, all of a sudden now you're swallowing your words. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not swallowing any words. My throat is clear. I'm not swallowing any words. You need a tongue and death crap. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. I don't want ill to happen to my tribal chief. My tribal chief stepped into the ring with Jacob Fatou. Okay. He's not just doing that boogeyman strut for no reason. Oh, he keeps it 100. Exactly. No, you're starting to make some sense. Okay. You had to know this was a possibility. And honestly, I think Roman Reigns like kind of went back to the old days of being like, I got to get out of this match. However I'm going to do it. You know what I mean? Like realizing like I got to get out. However I'm going to get out. And I got to keep this title. And that's what I'm going to do to hold onto this title. And Jacob saw it and Jacob took actions into his own hands. No, I don't think he should be suspended. Adam Pierce probably does, but good. You know, go to SmackDown then. You know? I mean, I guess we'll see. Look, I've got to tell you, SmackDown isn't the most pleasant place either. People looking for Cody Rhodes. Had on a platter right now, but Cody Rhodes is ready for it. You know, there's new Cody Rhodes merch that is available now. This guy is easy to find, but he's hard to beat. Cody Rhodes has a new collection available now at WWE shop and fanatics. You can grab yours and feel the adrenaline in your soul. Oh, look at this. This is awesome. I love the color of these up for a member of my family today at the backlash store. The official backlash Cody Rhodes Tampa shirt. Rep Tampa in the right way. Oh, I love it. I love it. I got this one. Tampa Nightmare is what they call it. Backlash Tampa May 9th. Oh, I love that. What else do we got in the backlash t-shirt department? Look, we clean out that store. The I was there backlash Tampa. Oh, this is 2009. Oh, is that the event shirt? This is the event shirt. Oh, you are in Tampa. Jacob trick and Sammy. Oh, love that. I love that. Yeah, we got it all. We got to talk about Seth and Braun. We got to talk about Seth and Braun because the fact is I would say more surprising than Roman Reigns beating Jacob Fatou. Braun Breaker beats Seth Rollins tonight at backlash. I thought you were going to say the more surprising thing was that we got to see a back rack. Back rake. A back. Oh, the back rake. I said, Burt, back or act was here. No, back rake. Back rake. I started to say backlash. No, I know what you said. Lash. You know, back rake. Long A short A. We haven't seen one in a while. No, no, no. I like a back rake. I do like a back rake quite a bit. And Seth had to get out of the position that he was in. I mean, Braun Breaker coming out and paying tribute much like and that's interesting. I didn't even think about this until right now. Much like Jacob Fatou. You could see the essence of the tongue of kid and what Jacob was up to. A very Rick Steiner ask jacket worn to the ring by Braun Breaker tonight and went for the spear. You talk, I mean, I guess plans just work thinking a lot like Jacob Fatou. Braun Breaker went for the spear to kind of kick things off. Yes. At the tone also think maybe I can just saw him in half early. Yeah, yeah. Get it done. You know how devastating Braun Breaker spear is. Yeah. How many can one sustain? Yeah, I think one would be the most anybody could sustain. Yeah. But he went for it early and Seth was able to avoid it. This is huge. As I was watching this, I was like, man, this match is like seven months in the making. Yeah. Like we've been, this is the confrontation that we've been waiting for since Seth Rollins got beaten out of the vision. Yeah. It was that one afternoon. I believe they were overseas. Yes, for sure. My job is on the floor. Yeah. Didn't think the vision was going to break up by lunchtime. That's right. And they did. And raw ends on that night with with with Braun Breaker symbolically holding up what was then Seth Rollins world heavyweight title. It was, I mean, it was an amazing performance by both Seth Rollins and Braun Breaker. There was the, the, the clothesline that Braun did jumping from the apron to the table early on. I mean, Frankensteiners, Steiner liners, I would even call some of these. There was that one moment, right? Seth was able to hit a pedigree in a stop. And man, this is why Paul Heyman is so valuable because Paul Heyman is willing to completely put himself on the line. Who knows what kind of I mean, hitting on the apron. He was up on top of the apron and jumped almost over the top rope to just try to say, Hey, Seth, take a shot at me, whatever you can do. Instead of pinning him right now, he knew if Seth pins Braun Breaker, it's over instead of pinning Braun Breaker right now. Hit me, hit me, Seth. I'm the one that you're mad at. And it's crazy because I think leading up to this, we talked a lot. Well, at least I pointed out Seth's psychological warfare. Heyman, I mean, he's getting in Seth's head as well. I mean, I think it's a little difficult for somebody from Seth Rollins perspective to engage in any kind of psychological warfare when he's coming from such an emotional place. Yes, especially as it relates to Paul Heyman. It's completely as it relates to Paul Heyman. Paul Heyman, he's getting up on the ring and he's yelling at Seth. Seth goes to grab the chair. Right. And there's just this moment. Seth with a chair at any time. The entire crowd just erupts. Including me. Oh, yeah. So excited. Oh, yeah. And he does. Seth holds the chair. It's like, oh, the shale. Oh my God. Seth with a chair. You know what he does with it. He changes history with the chair. He does. And he's got that. And then, you know, and I felt as though the vision, we haven't really seen them, you know, together together. On the same page, not at all. You know, while, right? Even when they're not together. It's like, even when they are in the same room, Logan Paul and Austin Theory, if this is going on, will Braun Breaker is over here? And Paul Heyman feels distracted. And no one was listening to Paul Heyman on Monday? No. Well, Braun Breaker, I feel like, does. But the other two do not. You know, this time, I guess they were on the same page. Because Logan Paul and Austin Theory, they come out. Not terribly effective. They end up getting hit with chairs by Seth Rollins. Rollins gets back into the ring. Catches a spear this time. And I said, oh, they caused the great distraction, but Rollins kicked out. Rollins kicked out of the spear. And I thought that that was so, such an important piece of the puzzle. Because Rollins kicks out of the spear. The match keeps going. Rollins hits the pedigree. Breaker is able to block the stomp. It leads into a Braun Breaker spear. And Braun Breaker pins Seth Rollins. And not every single piece of this match was clean as a whistle. But ultimately, there was enough there at the finish where it's like Seth Mann, you lost this match. Seth is all in two since he came back. Which is tough. Really tough. Especially the way he came back, because the way he got taken out. And now, like, he lost to Gunther at WrestleMania. Gunther and Paul Heyman now have a business arrangement where Paul Heyman is seeing to it that Gunther's in the best position possible. Braun Breaker, on the other end, is also in the best position possible. And also, having Paul Heyman by his side, somehow in this quest for revenge, Seth Rollins has positioned Paul Heyman into an even more powerful station. And Seth can only say, I never lost the World Heavyweight Championship so many times now, because he lost at WrestleMania. And he lost at Backlash to Braun Breaker. It's gonna be real, real interesting. That's one of the things I'm really looking forward to on Monday Night Raw. Seeing, you know, the gloating happening for the vision, because, I mean, frankly, they've earned it. And listening to like, okay, like Seth Rollins, I wanna hear. There's no ways letting this go. He can't. Where are we going moving forward with Seth Rollins? That's what I wanna know. I mean, Seth has to scratch and claw and find a way to get back at Paul Heyman because if he just gives up on this, then what? Right, exactly right. Might as well retire. Well, I don't know if he's gonna retire. I mean, he's got a lot of gas in that tank. He has to get back at Paul Heyman. Or start from scratch. And work his way to getting back at Paul Heyman. Or start from scratch and realize I can't do it. I can't get back at this guy. Seth can do it. Here's the thing. Seth can do it. Having a singular goal can be a dangerous thing. Wrestling is a big area and the WWE has a lot of things that need to get done. Having a singular goal can be a dangerous thing because if you can't get the singular goal done, what is next? That's why having one goal, it's very romanticized in the set. Why I was so focused on this thing. I knew I could do it. I knew I could get it done. And winners will talk about their singular goal. But you never hear the story about people who had a singular goal and then lost. Those stories aren't told, but they happen a lot more often than the people who win their singular goal. You have to go back to the drawing board. Exactly. Back to the drawing board and figure something out. Right. Because I mean, we just spent a whole week. I listened to you. You've been talking about it for days about this interaction between Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins. Seth Rollins can't even think about Roman Reigns. He can't even think about the World Heavyweight Championship until he figures out how to pick up a win. Does Seth Rollins deserve a title match right now? Absolutely not. It's crazy, right? Absolutely not. A lot of crazy things happen to backlash. Tops now is capturing all those major milestones and viral moments from the biggest events as they always do before PLEs. Tops put out a backlash poster card. The collectors who buy the poster card have a chance at receiving rainbow foil short prints and gold super short prints limited to just 26 copies each. These poster cards are available only until Monday, May 11th at 11 a.m. Eastern. As always, make sure you're following at Tops on social and sign up for notifications on tops.com for the big moment cards from backlash this weekend. Tune into Raw Recap on Tuesday for more card info and graphics. And I've got to tell you one of the big moments that people were looking forward to was Dan Hausen and a mystery partner versus Kit Wilson and the Miz. Huge moment, the fact that Kit Wilson has a PLE match. The fact that Dan Hausen has a PLE match. And you will hear, you want to talk about haters and pocket checkers. You know those are my two least favorite types of people, right? Yes. Oh, and then people ask if the teacher collected the homework. Narcs. That's right. Haters, pocket checkers and narcs. In that order? No, depends on who I'm sitting with at the time. Although Dan Hausen is a little bit of a pocket checker, but that's a different, somehow he has a charm about it. Like I, you know, once again, and I can't, bro, you know how I feel about this, Megan, you know, like when Oba Femi sets this open challenge, right? There are people out there that go, why is Oba Femi doing an open challenge? You mean you don't have any ideas for Oba Femi? And it's like dog, the last time there was an open challenge, we got to Brock Lesnar versus Oba Femi. And it rules. It was the whole thing. It's why Oba Femi's in this position. Let the guy have his open challenge. Then they're turning around, right? When do we get a backlash? We get a box. Somebody's debuting out of a box. And what do they say? Oh, it's got to be, you know, CM Punk or. Oh, Elimination, oh, Elimination Chamber? You talking about? Oh, tonight. They did the same thing. Yes. But you're, yes, to your point. They did the same thing they did at Elimination Chamber. It's a box. It's only got to be an A-lister. And then a tiny little day in housing comes out because his cloning machine didn't work right. And people go, I don't like this. And it literally took, you can hear it. It literally just took their match to tell the story to be like, oh wait, this is amazing. This is, this is WWE. This is wrestling. That's what I was chanting. With Kit Wilson traps tiny little day in housing back in the box and then the cloning machine somehow comes back on and then seven more tiny day. And the cloning machine worked for Kit Wilson. Yeah. Yeah. It worked right. For sure. Yeah. Well, it didn't really work right because it's supposed to clone one. It's supposed to be double good or seven tuple good. You know what I'm saying? Listen, we were out there on the floor and everybody liked it. Bro, by the end of the match, by the end of the match, they're all going crazy for this damn housing again. And they're still going to tell you, oh, what this is? Or they're still going to tell you, well, it might be working out, but it's not going to work later. Or they're still going to say, you got to be kidding this. And it's like, just, just, if you just, if you're watching the show and listening to how people are reacting to it, it's going like, oh, this is literally exactly what this show is. The good guys are getting cheered. The bad guys are getting booed. And everybody's having a good time, except you. All right? That's on you, not on everybody else. You know what they need to change? Nothing. Because the rest of us are having fun and you are miserable. But I say all that to say. Very calm. Yeah. I say all that to say. We spoke to Dan house. We did immediately following his match. And I mean, what a moment it was. I love that because we are here. We should have mentioned the stop of the show. We're here in Tampa for backlash live and in the flesh for opportunities like this immediately following that big tag match. Dan housing sat down with us here on WWE now. An unbelievable thrill after his first WWE PLE match and first WWE PLE win. Dan housing. Welcome to WWE now. Welcome thrill housing. Thrill housing indeed. That's right. I mean, would you do you do you are you the leader of a faction now? Oh, maybe. Perhaps we could be called the apocalyptic protection acolytes. The acolytes. Yeah, we could be called that or what is it dangerous exhibition. Dangerous exhibition. And would you be with an ear? No, no, just an X. Very extreme. I love that. I love that. That's going to give it to you. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good idea. I think we could do that. Or how many how many of us are there? I believe that seven. I think that there were an additional six that kick cloned. Oh, so there's a total seven plus so that would be the eight horsemen of the apocalypse. Yes, the horsemen and what's better than four. You double it. Yeah, more is better. More is better. More is more. More is always. Yes. Oh my God. I mean, that was kind of something that struck me is like, OK, if we're following along, what's going on here? You have a deal versus ask. No, I know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 So someone send a lot of emails. No, that's very good. Chain emails send this to 16 people before midnight on Tuesday or you are cursed And then after that money will come in yeah, yeah, I call it the triangle scheme Yeah, I'm at the top and then it builds up to me right right Yeah, yeah, it gives me a dollar dollar dollar dollar dollar dollar dollar dollar dollar and at the top I have a hundred dollars. Oh, that's like the opposite of what trick Williams and little yacht he did after they're back They gave out money. Oh, why would you do that? I don't know. It was real money, too. Really human money. They did this They did same what I caught one. Hey, oh, they only gave you dollars. Yeah, I was down But I gave my new I would never touch such a thing one dollar one dollar. I don't touch fives either. No, no Sometimes tens barely though right only hundred twenty and above up to a trillion dollar bill. Yes You ever see the 101 a $101 bill. Oh, it's very rare. I have one. I'll show it to you, but it's in my attic Can't go there yet. Yeah, I don't know if I would want to go up there It did seem like a right. So you're your money savvy, right? You're I mean if I may say so without insulting you a little bit Self-centered I think people do have to be to be successful in this business. I do have a great abdomen Is that what you mean? I have a self-centered Bro get that shot right there. Wow. You think Dan hasn't doesn't this is gym housing. Yeah Yeah, yeah, is this your house This is not my house. I was gonna say you've got your own fountain soda machine. That's great. You're rich No, you've been to my house you've been on my basement, you know, you got a fountain machine since I was here last time You got rid of all your toys. Yeah, I sold them for the fountain machine. You know what? That's a good investment Unlimited diet cool. That's right. That's right. That's very right But I didn't know that you were so work avoidant in the sense that you didn't want to find a tag team partner Does work yes, and then I feel like in producing the clone machine You notice maybe the main He did a lot of my work too. He was in there most of the time But I secured the victory so I got someone to do my job. It is called levels I'm the boss up here and then you delegate right got time to lean you got time to clean like a like a like a Ponzi What's that like one of those donuts? Yeah, yeah, they're filled with jelly. They come out once a year Yeah, so do you still want the miss to mentor you? Hmm. This is a loaded question next question I don't know I think my enemy Well, yeah, it seems so he seems like he does not quite enjoy me. No, however though. Yeah, he is double Grand Sam champion Yes, yeah, yeah twice over. Yeah, Hollywood celebrity. Yeah TV star big time he hosts all ten episodes of American gladiators on Amazon Prime and I Cody Rhodes watches it all the time He loves it. He loves it. I had watched all ten episodes every single day since it came out Yes, he watches it on his bus. I snuck onto his bus and I caught him Oh watching American gladiators over and over and over again. Wow means you're great. Wow the means wow and they're painted per episode Yeah, yeah, so you're saying there was a question there are things that you look up to him in terms of mentorship. Yes Yeah, he's just a yeah, I like you. Yeah Jerk ass Yeah, they said I used to think I couldn't swear to get on TV, but then I swore and now I'm on TV still so I think I'm a lot To swear now. Oh, we're looking at the at the evolution. Yeah, no swearing. I think all swearing just kidding kids Don't swear. Okay. Good. Good. A lot of people when you got to WWE so unfamiliar with your work They asked the question. I heard this question movie theater like when I cleaned No, no, I didn't mean your previous profession. I'm gonna make you a cappuccino. No, no, no, I didn't realize no No, I meant I meant that where you and your career in in this world of professional wrestling. Oh that and they would say Yeah, no, no, I know I know I know but they would say can this guy even wrestle. That's what they said They said they did what are you trying to do trying to see if these come up and then they reveal snacks There's no snacks and no rich person would have one of those chairs with the arm comes up in their snacks People said can even wrestle can that guy wrestle he's kind of funny. Can he wrestle well? I just I won like six matches here. I think you're three and oh, I think I'm six and oh six Maybe we're counting tonight twice because it's two people. Well, there was two of us. There was wait. There was eight of us I'm like ten times undefeated. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Does it feel good to show this big audience on the ESPN app and Nationally that not only can you wrestle you're clearly a very good rest boots are falling apart. I'm sorry That's right off. I'd sell the stickers. Yeah, that's right I mean, does it feel good that you can show these people who didn't know that you are very that you're very good at wrestling Very good. Very evil. You're gonna say it on actually Yes, it does and then you know, we got the fan housings all wildly behind me. That's true Well, I did you did I did my own powers because I'm so great. Yeah, did you feel like there was a risk tonight when when? Little housing was first shown Well, you know because there's so much speculation about who this partner is the thing people go. Oh, it's confirmed It's Cola man punk. I heard it's It's over for me. Oh, which you know, they're great. Yeah. Yeah. However. I was pushing me. Who said that who put that responsibility on me I didn't even want to find one. Why would I want to ask them Sam was pushing John Cena? I was pushing John. He's retired, you know, I did know that I was trying to figure out what to do. But after he got the Danhousen rub at WrestleMania, I thought he got the bug I did the bug right away. Yeah, he was stung him But then Sam wanted you to do all the work and see never tag in. Oh, right, but you wouldn't do that No, no, you know, I want to do the least amount and delegate. That's a great explanation And then hey take me in sure Take out I heard on the internet people are like, no, it's jelly roll jelly roll. It's Cola man punk It's it's all but I saw these were confirmed stories by the way I saw that too all three within a week all confirmed We're the I should have had all of them right, but you didn't reach out at any point. I forgot You don't want to do it Doing that what do you have to pick up your phone and text someone can you imagine a business email? You think I'm gonna write a letter to all the family You think see him punk opens his mail. He doesn't open his mail. No, I take it you don't you take me mail Oh, yeah, what do you take it? Isn't that great at merch, you know, and that's always got his t-shirts I steal his royalty checks. He owes me. Oh, why does he owe you? He stole my finishing move. I can't do it here. Oh Wow, that was yours. Yeah, that was mine. He was retired and he said hey I've been doing this and he says it's yours and then he came out of retirement like three months later and took it back What yes, did you go to him and say hey man? You should have a different finish you gave yours to me I yeah, I said you can use it a Snapmare Yeah, get some right on there, but you just push him back down one two three. Yeah previous to that Dan Huson's finisher was the pin Yeah, you know you lay on him one two three you win you win finish. Yeah, that is a good Always works yeah when it counts to three the one two three pin I felt like tonight's finish was kind of like a it was like a brogue housing kick a little bit Perhaps there's a little bit perhaps it is a little bit of bro. He's big and powerful though very powerful I thought he might be your mystery tag maybe shameless housing could be a tag team in the future I need to find my jar of teeth is what I need to do because I really would prefer Pour them in their mouth and then it's visually spectacular. Yeah, because then I kick them in the mouth and their teeth go everywhere It's wonderful. Right. It's cinematic People of cinema right this course Yeah, absolute Yeah, absolute down housing I like the one where people say absolute ass Was my bad Do you feel like like that kind of answers the question right I think that a lot of look especially the Dan housing critics They go out there and they go it may be working now But what's this guy got left? This is gonna be burnt up in four months easily Oh, yeah, I've been doing this for like eight years eighty years if you really count Hey, then burnt up yet. It just keeps rising. It is I started here. Mm-hmm here and here and here again, and now I'm here Yeah But yeah, I don't think people realize they go. Oh, yeah I remember he started asking for a blimp the night after elimination chamber. That's not true. Oh, there was many many years before that MPT cruisers and Pt cruisers and my face on the side of trucks, right, which has not happened yet By the way, seriously, but there's WrestleMania still on the side of the truck So guaranteed once they switch it, it'll probably be all Dan houses Well, it can be Dan housing Dan housing Dan housing Oscar Dan housing Dan housing your sky You know what the benefit of this will be it can be a bunch of mini Dan houses to know I'm not giving them my ad space No No, if they want to pay for a billboard in Times Square Then they can be on it, but it'll be like off in the corner and there'll be big Dan housing Maybe they can be a bunch of pictures of the minis that make up a large picture of me Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I call a pictograph pictograph. Is that what it is pictorial graph? We have biggie on this show from time to time and he said that at the Hall of Fame He might have accidentally put you in did you get into the whole thing? Yes, you did He comes on the show from time to time. Yes Inducted Dan housing in the Hall of Fame. I walked the red carpet. He interviewed me. He said hello, Dan housing He's very well-spoken. Mm-hmm. You are in the Hall of Fame and I said wow Thank you so much biggie. I never thought it would be you inducting Dan housing I thought it might be the undertaker because he seems to induct people Oh, it says hello. You're in the Hall of Fame now from the audience. He surprises people He says boom roasted or whatever after and then you know during the Hall of Fame That's very very true has he talked to you about the Dan housing sit-up motion, you know People go harking back to this like, you know dark mysterious character Yeah, who then also sits up seems to have some kind of supernatural abilities with the cursing and everything has Undertaker come to you and said, you know, you might not be ready for the Hall of Fame yet But you are taking on the man. I would like to pick his brain about how he shot lightning at people. I Think that could be quite useful So if you could teach I know how to do this sit up because how else are you really supposed to sit up? You know, that's the I'm engaging my abdomen your core my core. Yeah, that way I can rise See that that's called a delt when you do abs when you do abs you get delts. Oh my gosh. So anyway Yeah, I would love to pick his brain on how to shoot lightning and how to ride a motorcycle and you know all the Spooky things that he does, you know how over in the in the sports world you have already Propelled past the reach of even something as massive as the WWE. I saw you all over ESPN Yeah, there's personalities on the radio talking about you and you're big in Nick's fandom right now This is true. Also. I am as of this last other day Depending on when this comes out I'm not gonna give a date because it's gonna be two days three days or whatever comes out right after I am the ESPN Sports hero of the year. What? Yes, they bestowed this award upon Dan Housen yesterday at the headquarters. Whoa I didn't know that was a thing. It is. Yeah, I won them. You won all of the ESPNs They give me an Emmy too. So I'm an Emmy winner a slammy award winner ESPN Sports hero of the year WWE Hall of Fever WWE legend mr. Wrestling mania undefeated undefeated and The new goat has bestowed upon by John Cena. Wow Can you believe it in three months? No, I can't you can't believe it. No, I can't I really can't Are you taking credit? Yes for the next yes? Yes? I take cash and credit No, no, no, no, no, no, I meant oh I meant credit for the next victory The Knicks have been doing very very well in the NBA playoffs in the round two and you know Hopefully we'll go even further down. Do you feel like you reversing the Knicks curse? So I cursed even a Smith. Yeah, which was not really cursing the Knicks. However, they were losing And then I uncursed the Knicks mm-hmm Which they were not necessarily cursed by uncursed them right and then they won six games in a row now I mean, do you have any idea how many people sent me Dan house in memes when? Embed got I sure for the 76 yeah, so here's the thing Why hasn't Dan housing been invited to sit in between Timothy Chamolet and Kylie Jenner? That's a good question with a couple you wouldn't sit between Timothy and like Ben Stiller No Ben Stiller right Timothy Chamolet Dan housing Kylie Jenner who else goes to Knicks games? Spikely Knicks games. Yeah, and half way was there to and half the way Yes, we double uncursed and half the ways tag team partner could have been an half away tonight Wow, we both uncursed the Knicks that day. She wore a jersey on Jimmy Fallon Yeah, and then Dan hasn't uncursed them and then they started winning that's massive So it could really be either of us, but I'm gonna take credit and give her about 25% Okay, so 75-25 that's still I mean that's much you get money for that the she yeah, I don't know But she better start giving a Seven you his percentage. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense Dan hasn't before we let you go because it's a big night for you I'm sure you got to go celebrate There was like a incident and it did is a little selfish of me I hope you don't mind it was an incident that resonated on social media Oh, certainly a lot of people have come up to me in my personal life about it over WrestleMania week. Oh There's a video that came out are you talking about when to use your credit card? Oh, yeah, no you attempt it. I know I didn't realize that you Will use my credit Continue to question. I gotta check a statement, but um you spend so much. He doesn't know his activity you He's buying legos, you know Too much you cursed me though at the behest I mean Becky Lynch Asked you to curse me and then you did it and my life has been in shambles. Is there any way we could? Kind of get around that what's been happening. Let me let me hear about it I mean, it's just generally I felt like Dan I was in a new show. You don't seem very cursed with that No, this has been huge. Yeah, huge twice now to be fair the flight here was super turbulent was it? Yes Oh, and I felt like that problem danger. I did feel in danger And I felt like it had a lot to do with what you had done. All right, so here's the thing You want to be uncursed. I would love that how much cash you got Dollar from trick Williams, but I don't accept those I Mean I said I take credit. What kind of cards you got a big card. Yeah You would take the credit cards. How many you have? Oh Look at that. I don't even have a full-size wallet. I just have a bag of credit cards Yeah, I mean, I what is that a trading card back. No, no, this is my why my American Express in here What's the limit? Hey, how much do you make a year? How much is your house cost? I mean, you know what? No, no, no, this is all well. I think we'll wait on the uncursing then but We'll put it in layaway Okay, yeah, I take PayPal Zell Cash app Venmo, but should the payment stop? That's it. That does my cursing restart the curse. Yeah, it's cumulative Which what I don't I learned it from Magic the Gathering. I Didn't quite understand it then I don't understand it now Well, that's good to know Dan housing. We really appreciate you Oh giving us so much of your time on such an important day for you Is not a watch and no that's just some risk take just to support the old wrists old wrists No, not like that. They're all I come on your show you insult me. I mean all the wrists I didn't mean to get cursed again crunch crunch crunch. Hey, I'm covered in glitter for my cape Well, Dan housing you you Sparkled through beyond gesture cape your personality your effervescence. It's a it's really a me Yeah, bring me back to that one. No, not Evan. Oh, no, that's the song Listen to that song. Oh, yeah, he did I saw that on a documentary Nathan for you Hey, is that McCauley Culkin? No, that's Steve Kerr. Oh, yes, I can't see from over here. It's gonna hat on you just saw a celebrity being introduced You figured it must be McCauley. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I Love him. I met him great guy. Yeah, I saw home alone at a field and he didn't meet great after I said I'm Dan housing you're not cursed, but you know who is the wet bandits. Oh good. Yeah, good Definitely cursed and then they busted. What's his name from the wet band? That's probably a different story. That's a different story Dan housing. Yes Thank you so much. Thank you He didn't think I was gonna do it because it was twice over. Thank you, Dan. How's it get a welcome a Big thank you to Dan housing for not uncursing Sam. It's on layaway I'm not technically cursed right now as long as I make the payment if you can come up with it I gotta come up with some scratch. Should we start a go fund me page? I think so bake sale for Sam I was gonna let him hold a trillion dollar bill, but I was afraid he wouldn't give it back You don't have a trillion dollar bill. You don't make that kind of money, but anyways, yes I know where I'll be this July the number one sports fan festival fanatics fest returns to the Javits Center in New York City from July 16th through the 19th and it is a must-attent event for WWE fans because you're gonna be able to meet your favorite superstars and enjoy surprise appearances all weekend long WWE superstar autograph and photo opportunities at fanatics fest are on sale now confirmed WWE superstars for photo and autograph opportunities include Joe Henry Trish Stratus and Braun Breaker Fanatics fest tickets are on sale now at fanatics fest.com Oh, I can't wait for it. I can't wait for it and I do I want to shout out the podcast team here because You know what I watched Just yesterday was that it was Kit Wilson who were just talking about from this Dan house and match Kit Wilson was that's right was on Cody Rhodes podcast. Oh, it's good humdinger excellent excellent excellent show And to hear Kit Wilson out of character still explaining Why he was against toxic masculinity what it is. I mean it just he's a brilliant brilliant guy So check that out when you get a chance Speaking of brilliant brilliant people Oscar and EOS guy Absolutely Brilliant tonight. I mean no no shock there you had said What did you say? I said that's gonna be the match that steals the show. Yeah, just gonna be the best match on the card I mean cuz I mean we told you was a hot take you're gonna stop very hot It's not a hot take it's not a hot take cuz they're the two of the best wrestlers on the planet They've ever done it they are Oscar and EO and I might have been busting your chops a little bit But it's not that hot of a take but it is a good take Fair I'll take the compliment. I feel like I've been beat up a little bit on this show today So I'll take the compliment you said you're glad Dan house and didn't fully uncourse me But I mean you were a hundred percent right yeah, it was Unbelievable seeing these two go We haven't seen Oscar in a PLE match in a long time a singles Pio either night neither one of them Yeah, have been in a singles PLE match in a long time and and and for these two to just be in the ring one-on-one strip everything away and Command the attention on look at the match that we are able to pull off. I thought it was great and I've got to tell you the Mist block oh with the paper by the announce desk. Yeah picking up that that that portfolio and Blocking it with the commentary notes was just Brilliant so good and Oscar just kind of standing there going like because you can't block miss because it's not you put the hands in front Of your face missed it's still gonna get through yeah I mean that's such a crafty move right yes to just utilize the notes I do feel bad for for Michael Cole with his notes Well, he should know it. He should know it anyway. He shouldn't need all those notes. No, he's been doing it long enough But I'm a matter of fact if they put missed all over my notes I'd keep it as a souvenir do we didn't talk about this earlier But did you know he was screaming call the cops in the in when Jacob Fattu was attacking? Roman Reigns. Yeah, he's screen that yeah on commentary. I don't know that no, that's a little much. That's a little much But but I will say that yeah fabulous match and I think it puts both people but a specifically EO in definitely a different category Moving forward I want to talk about trick Williams and Sammy Zane before we do Let's talk about stepping into the fallout of WrestleMania with WWE slam Backlash box featuring a dynamic mix of base cards and premium hits this release Captures the intensity rivalries and momentum shifts that shape WWE's next chapter Chase must have signatures and dual signature cards from top talent alongside Virtually visually I should say Striking tilt cards that bring the action to life look for exclusive inserts like Tampa takeover and aftershock Highlighting superstars that left a lasting impact in the wake of WrestleMania download WWE slam by tops now in the app store and Google Play And it was a big United States championship match first of all Going into this thing. I need to know where do you stand? Megan Marie Are you pro gingerbread man pro? Are you anti-ginger? I am pro gingerbread man roe gingerbread man? I loved the funeral segment you did I loved everything about it And I hear this I hear all the haters on the internet. Oh, it's a stupid. Oh, I don't like this. Oh, this isn't fun Oh, we need a serious story and I just have to say I think the world of both Sammy Zane and trick Williams trick Williams has been so Undeniable ever since he arrived. Let's talk about it But Sammy Zane has just this ability To really Do it all when it comes to storytelling we go back to conspiracy theory Sammy Zane that was beyond entertaining You go back to what he did with Johnny Knoxville You go back to when he was silly initially as the honorary ous in the bloodline me when he's Absolutely when he was feeling ousie We're all having a great time with that but then he takes it to such a serious level and tells us this Unbelievable story that had literally everyone on the edge of their chair in Montreal saying I think Sammy could actually Do this tonight Then you're talking about the Roman Reigns man. Absolutely. Yes 100% And then he goes into more serious stories and he can come back and do something that is fun Like the gingerbread man get a response and have everybody booing him I also think I would argue that it is a serious story because Sammy Zane has taken it seriously Throughout like within goof world. Yes, Sammy Zane is the voice that's sitting there going This is so unserious like why you're mocking me. This is ridiculous This is absurd like the idea that like sometimes there are layers to this the idea that it is Absurd is what is bothering Sammy Zane? Therefore it should be absurd because Sammy Zane is bothered. You know what I'm saying And I love the absurdity of it and I love Sammy's response right being bothered by the whole thing Sammy I also I mean Sammy Zane coming to the ring and I think it was his kick pads Is his kick pads or his knee pads that said ride or die on it because I mean there is something like so I Don't want to say funny because that seems mean But the idea of Sammy going like I know my rider dies are out there and they're just you don't hear them They're just not there and you wonder if they are there You know what I mean? And I would say that the gingerbread man story has been a great opportunity To see if they are there right like like to hear This pocket of criticism towards this and go like okay if you are criticizing that The right or die for Sammy, let's hear you right you know what I'm saying yeah, and you just don't hear it I will say it's hard when Sammy Zane's music hits just because what happened in Montreal and what happened with the bloodline was so Iconic that every time his song hits I do sing along and I had bought a little bit, but as soon as I see Sammy in the ring with trick I go boom Well, I was and it's so interesting that you say that because I found the same thing. Yes But I was talking to this musician named Doug lust who does Nick songs I had him on the wrestling show because he's obsessed with wrestling and wrestling themes and everything and we were talking about that and like I was talking about how that's happened for Sammy that happened for Seth That's happened for multiple people that they are villains They are bad guys and we boo them but we sing the song and does that kind of get it there's that connection with the song get in the way of them being a real villain and He was he said and I think he was right that know that like that's the thing about music that sometimes wrestling fans Myself and I would put you in that category as well included our Pavlovian in the sense that we are not even Necessarily responding to the character if we're singing Sammy Zane song We're not cheering for Sammy We're Pavlovian in the sense that we are trained to have a response to that song because I know it Yeah, it's a fun thing to do you go to the show you sing along with that song and when the song turns off I'm booing that guy. I'm cheering for the song not for you and that's exactly I had that exact experience right when Sammy's music was playing I was singing along and then as soon as trick enters the ring and this these two men and Sammy needs to Like tricks music didn't even stop and Sammy's ready to go at him. Yeah, I'm booing as loud as I can hundred percent Lil Yachty got involved hit Sammy's aim with Kendo stick I love that Lil Yachty is still around Well, what do you think about the fact that Sammy's aim decided to just destroy Yachty with a Kendo stick and then hit him with a Huluva it was uncalled for but he hit Sammy first with the Kendo stick He did hit Sammy first, but he got involved I'll tell you what I say it was not I can't say it was uncalled for but it wasn't smart No, because going after Lil Yachty is exactly what trick Williams needs It's not gonna get to United States title. No, you know, it's gonna get as a knee to the face and Trick Williams not only one pin Sammy's aim again But he threw out dollar bills their real dollar bills in case anybody was asking I got one You should have seen this narc over here. Oh, yeah, and by the way, I caught it right out of the sky right and Megan was reaching for it, too I was like no, yeah, no I got it right out of the sky and she goes you're not gonna give it to a little kid I go a little kid. What's a little kid got to spend money on he's asking for his parents for everything Well, and then I got one a little later did not catch it picked it up off the ground And you want to know what I did me what gave it to a kid. I know you gave it to a kid who already had six of them Good for him. It was like easy. What is it? What is he gonna be like? Oh, yeah, this is the seventh one This is the one that lady gave me. I don't think so You know, what are you gonna do with one single dollar? I'm gonna invest it and I'm gonna turn it into many dollars As a matter of fact, I'm gonna put it in to maybe some kind of a Roth IRA something. That's like dependable I'm gonna turn it and you call me a narc. No By yourself a soda or candy bar. No something fun. No cuz I'm a little I'm like no Fiscal responsibility, but I'm like Jacob Fatou. I'm trying to put my family into a bigger house It all starts with one dollar it over the course of many many years So I'm gonna put it into something that is sustainable Bitcoin. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no as an investor I'm fairly risk-averse, but I'm gonna put it into something a little bit more Dependable and over time It's gonna become two three four five. I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna have just I'm gonna have just as many singles as that Kid did that you gave said if I'm gonna do it the right way not, you know You're not taking free handouts from ladies out on the floor ladies on the floor. No, I am not no I am not Before we go John Cena had a huge announcement that he made again. This is another one a lot of the haters on the internet Oh, it's it's not gonna be anything good Yes It's gonna be about club WWE what else is it? No, it was actually groundbreaking Historic and I'm very much looking forward to this happening with the John Cena classic is on his way Or on its way, I guess but John Cena is on his way to it as well Um, I really thought that this is so interesting because not only does it bring in what he did at Saturday night's main event Which was clearly effective in the sense that you know, sol ruka and oba femi and and and javon evans We're all a part of Saturday night's main event now all a part of the WWE main roster And and it's something that we are already kind of reflecting on with all of that but Making that into something that is what sounds like to me an annual event The John Cena classic that with it has a championship, but I think it's so unique because in this world of Pro wrestling there's always been a conversation about is there a way for people to Get victories or losses or championships or awards without it being Part of a story, you know what I mean? And I think John's way of finding it where These events will happen And based on performance not wins losses not whatever just performance in in the art of wrestling That fans will be able to vote as to who will walk home with that John Cena classic Championship and I think that that's going to become a very very meaningful thing. Yeah, and um, It every participant qualifies they can receive votes Even if they if they do lose and it sounds like this is going to be an annual It's also very interesting to me that like John Cena Is the person who values the voice of the fan John Cena is creating this thing Where he's giving the primary voice To the fans John Cena is the guy Who for a lot of his career had a difficult time with the voice of the fan And I don't mean he had a difficult time in the sense that that like he didn't get a response or he didn't like the response I mean that the response that fans gave John Cena did not line up with the intended response That that that was was there for John Cena And I think the idea that a good guy who spent so much of his career getting booed Has reflected upon that and created an opportunity for fans voices to get louder is a really interesting thing that deserves To at least be pointed out and and and some greater analysis that you would come out of that experience going you know what? It's good that they have their voice. I think I think it shows a It shows the the the how big Of a of a person John Cena is and how evolved he is And I think it's also a great way for giving back to the business and giving younger stars whether they're an nxt Evolve lg wherever they may be Younger people on the main roster giving them an opportunity to Have the fans recognize them and and have this platform and have this stage. I'm excited for it Absolutely. Well backlash was tremendous Backlash we will be back in uh 48 hours After Monday night raw with another raw recap here on wwe now make sure that you are subscribed Make sure that you are liking and commenting on youtube and everything Thank you to dan hausen and we will see you on Monday night Tuesday morning here on wwe now